Without reading the sploosh diarrhea, do me the courtesy of responding to your stimulating title. Certainly Fear as it organizes thought at the margin between spirit, consciousness, matter and energy. It is not the only conduit. Some more positive.

it's an interesting proposal. very matrixy ;)

are you "the one" ?

but seriously, not bad. except... do we really live in fear ? i mean.. REALLY??? like... jesus.. if you think they are milking us for our fear... like.. well, speaking personally... i run on about a 2% "fear" factor at any given point in the day.

my point being... if they were milking us, they are doing a shitty job. hahaha so, i am thinking no ;)

cheers

I'm thinking more 60-80% in your case. That's a lot of posturing to cover up all that emotion.

And you're projecting so... haha I kid couldn't resist

i am going to have to go with you on that one - projecting

375,000 seems oddly specific, where is the research or data you used to arrive at that number?

It's because it's nonsense.

Are you showing us proof with your statement

The burden of proof is on the author.

No. The burden of proof is on the parties that suggest it is one way, or it is not one way.

He says it is nonsense, but has no claim to refute it.

And now you understand, as I've shown you proof which can consist of logical proof, soft proof (think psychology)

What proof does he show? "Nonsense". There you are, and now you know what proof looks like my friend.

The burden of proof is on who is making the more spectacular claim. If I had a microscope 3000 years ago and told my Babylonian homies there are billions of little creatures everywhere then I would probably also follow that up with a look through the telescope unless I wanted to be sacrificed to Moloch.

Proof is not some wacko author making ridiculous claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The burden of proof is on who is making the more spectacular claim. If I had a microscope 3000 years ago and told my Babylonian homies there are billions of little creatures everywhere then I would probably also follow that up with a look through the telescope unless I wanted to be sacrificed to Moloch.

That's what I said bud, we're in agreement

haha wrong level of the comment chain.

lots of disinformation from wilcock, but he's right occasionally

Disinformation agents don't teach love in this way. I think it's more likely that sometimes David is just wrong about certain things. And here he is right. Thankfully this is the heart of his message.

i can't stand him, his narcissism is gross and off-putting

So he's a disinformation agent because you find him off putting?

he doesn't resonate with me at all, he recently made a whole bunch of false comments on PG, and he's doing it mainly for the money and attention, which is why he's selling something 90% of the time

You got a link to that or can you list any of the false things he said?

i'm feeling lazy, but it was part 1 in one of the 2 part blog posts he put out with corey goode before new years, possibly christmas. he starts talking about a bunch of PG "facts" and they weren't all accurate.

(but you have to understand how stargates and timelines work...your timeline becomes what you put your focus on. so if you want "hellfire and damnation trump", then that's the timeline you will quantum leap to, and if you want "peace with the world/disband the CIA/fairness for all trump", that's what you will draw into your experience...wilcock will satisfy you when you get going, but once you tune in and tap in, you'll get the downloads yourself and wilcock becomes one of many ideas you bat around as you decide which pathway, which string on the web of light, that you'll choose to take your spark of light down and which souls will go with you...)

I personally think he is a disinformation agent. But that doesn't mean that the information that we are getting from him is necessarily wrong. We are just asking the wrong questions.

Apparently it's from the Blue Avians

high fives you from the 4th density

hell from te 12th density.

God, is that you?

Nha I'm just the void entity, the god you refer to is just a 8th density entity. I'm well pass that point...

I'm intrigued. Can you explain further?

Well basicly you'r born in 3rd density by awakening yoursef you can go in the 4th and futher, but some people are what they call wanderer ie entity from higher density Ra from the law of one was a 7th density one. When you born there is a chance you being the 3 dimentional projection of an higher density entity, if the case you can then awoken yourself to what your real density is, if you are forced to ( most people don't need to awoken and just live their life) but some are forced for some exterior factor.

So think of it as a Goa'uld as long as you don't awoken the entity your the projection of will directe you throu your life and help you, if needed he will awoken you so you became him (because awakening to it will modify your perseption of the world).

Don't you see some people are just more than what they seems to be, they have a magnetisme of some sort, that it. They are what you can told super humans like for exemple Raspoutine or Staline for siting some.

Im just a guy that was born whith it and I awakened myself as far as I could and apparetly you can't go futher to the 12th density as the 13 this the fusion of all counsciousness from all densitys ie the absolute colective conscousness that direct our lifes.

Can you just tell me why you write like that? I just need to know.

Well there is tow way to look at it, first my psychiatrist would say I got psychosis and delirum, then you have the new age hippy style of thinking that would say I acheived total awakening and now undestand the fabric of realitys.

So how would I go about finding out if I am or not? From what I understand this seems like it's neither a good nor a bad thing.This resonates with me in a weird way, especially when you say that if needed he will awaken you so that you become him. Would "me" no longer exist? Part of my path has taught me that I have always been like this, even if I was never aware of it.

Well The simple fact that your asking me this question lead me to think your are actually a wanderer. Secondly you will stil be you but a greater you it's like a pokemon evolution you'r different but as you'r from the same basic, you are still yourself but in a greater form.

In other form your conscousness in made from your memories, awakening will give you new kind of memorie and perseption from the realitybut the old one will still be there, Yes at first it get little foggy and you have difficultys interacting whit family and friends as you feel like no longer nowing them, but then you star to relink to them and it all came back

A lot of what u say rings true. Where can I read more? Preferably something easier to digest than the Ra Material

Here have a link little lad:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0j2RK8p1a_10WKfig2WLbLxCk1rYhMbwEa27mKnVfs/edit?usp=sharing

I'm impress, how did you found that comments from 5 month ago?

I had replied to a different comment here months ago and somehow wandered my way back to ur comment :) thanks for the read, very interesting and still ringing true. Will try and listen to the Law of One again but if you have more knowledge to share, pls do :)

I am afraid I'm way too lazy to do so....

No worries lol, uve done enough

ty

https://youtu.be/rVUEdj-OIMA

Bentinho, as am I are all about the Law of One as well ~ check him out everyone ~~~ 😇🙏🏻

Can you explain further about what you mean by "if you are out there with five shows that raise consciousness" bit?

I've been feeling some sort of spiritual connection with certain television programs and movies lately and with life in general

thousands of programs of spiritual significance as well as conspiracies, alien research, ancient origins, esoteric topics, and the like.

Why do you think would Propornot would include this in its list of supposed Russian propaganda?

Thanks. To be clear, I hate Propornot and just wanted to hear what a fan of Gaia thought of it.

Haha seriously? They really did? Good Lord this is getting ridiculous. In Friday's report they used things like "interviewing third party candidates" and "covering occupy wall street" as evidence of Russian propaganda. It seems they also have "supernatural occurences" on that list as well.

PropOrNot is the funniest thing I have ever seen end up on the news, they've gotten so lazy with the propaganda these days...

Oh, it's been ridiculous for awhile now. The DNI report just had a slightly more respectable tone while repeating the Russian cyber conspiracy talking points. It was nice that it didn't outright call for restricting freedom of speech to squeeze the "Russian propaganda" out, though.

Part of the "laziness" in propaganda matters may be the influence of former Soviet "press" officials working with NATO who can't understand why the West can't just arbitrarily censor any news or opinions they don't like.

This sounds similar to war that constantly rages in the Heavenlies between angels and demons. In a weird twisted way. They are motivated by words of men and use their wishes and desires to wage war with real effects in the physical realm.

An obvious war rages for our souls, hearts, minds.

The world sees this but doesn't understand it. Not yet anyway.

Once the truth comes to light more and more, as it is happening now, for those that can see and hear... we are on the front of this conscious awareness and human ascension. The light spreads out and shines through us.

The time of humanity is rising once again. Our souls are burning with God's fire and we will not be stopped

Love will win in the end.

Love is winning right now. Notice the upswing in MSM negativity, the way the planet is acting in upheaval currently? We are taking over and coming back to where it should be.

Totally swiping right on your idea here

You are right, it is happening before our eyes. People are waking up and reconnecting to the source. I can see it, I can feel it. I love it.

Much love brother.

Find knowledge and happiness! I hope the light finds its way to you quickly day to day.

Much love!

Take care, and happy new year

Just came back from a long day at work. Happy new year to you too my friend. I hope you find the light and share it with others in abundance this year! Take care :)

Angels and demons serve us and it is all about your intentions. My intention is to be a shared of experience and knowledge thru experience. And let me tell as cliche as it is every decision you make is a cross roads to a new path. On the same vein though every river is eventually over time gonna be carved completely straight, there is no stopping it. Do you want to get caught in the web of pathways or do you want a worm hole to fast moving change. It is up to you and you only. We are all on heels journeys and this society is sick but the only way to heal is to recognize pain and sickness and give attention to it. Btw you are protected do not act out of fear but instead change that fear into fuel for yourself cause other wise like op said something will feed of it. Ps breath with your belly damnit so many chronic issues deal with nervous system that stem from the repair story system.

i personally think what is considered "angels or demons" could be aliens idk tho

Oh forsure

They are, and I have heard them. They are always watching. They support those who are flexible and roll with the punches

Lol this is just another religion. We already have hundreds of those. You are not objectively correct.

most religions are based on spirituality!

Because religion is based on truth and fundamental aspects of who we are and our relation to the creator. Spirituality took bits of religion to make it credible then added elements of fear to control its unsuspecting patrons.

No, religions are a set of prepackaged answers to existential and spiritual questions.

Spirituality is inherently individual - religions by definition are collective.

Spirituality is a continuous seeking - religions force you to an immediate conclusion.

Spirituality mobilizes your own mind and conscience - religion allows you to delegate those to the group or the guru.

How can a bunch of jargon like loosh and fourth density love be an individual yet universal expression of spirituality? I think the skeleton of the idea is a universal one (the law of attraction stuff) but all the details like entities surviving off suffering and some critical event occuring at least 375,000 years ago is by definition religious dogma.

Yes. This is Theosophic dogma.

Honestly to me it looks like just another cult mind virus, like any other religion. You call it spirituality instead of religion, but really it's just a bunch of hand waving, smokes and mirrors, feel-good hocus pocus for the weak minded.

In all truth I was reading university level books on mysticism and Gnosticism when I was a teenager, and then I took university courses in religious studies. That was a quarter of a century ago. I find it really appealing and interesting, but it's still a bunch of bullshit.

There is not a single real thing about it. Edward Casey and Uri Gellar were frauds, just like every single other cult of personality. It's a bunch of half-truths, mixed with spiritual mumbo-jumbo, false pattern recognition and invented words and mangled logic. You are in a cult. I am sorry. Enjoy your third eye, your chakra, your astral travel. Me? I much prefer the nitty gritty of real world problems. It's fine to put your energy towards making people feel good about themselves, and there is good in that don't get me wrong, but sometimes it's better to recognize reality and actually do something about it. Real world problems require real world solutions. I prefer action, hands getting dirty as opposed to cutting and pasting synchronicity and feel good pap; it makes you feel like you're doing something and making the world a better place, but there are so many better ways to direct your efforts.

Close. They weren't running the show when the world megaliths were constructed. These pricks are about as old as the fake history they've forced upon us. 500 years even is a stretch.

It's gonna be a wild ride man that's for sure

Keep your eyes open and MUCH will be discovered.

That is very fascinating. Thank you for providing that info.

Loosh lips sink ships.

And see this is why we are divine motherfucker the creativeness is pure genius. Thank you mofo. Keep that momentum up and fuck the evil to death.

fuck the evil to death

And now I want a tattoo on the inside of my lower lip.

The evil is gonna learn to love the D.

Fuck em all to hell hahah

Thank you, Sean Connery

Loosh as in "fear energy"?

I've heard this term many times. What's are your thoughts on it? What do they use it for?

I think anyone who takes it seriously has something loosh in their skulls.

Wilcock and Goode's show is great. You can also read the full transcripts of it on Goode's website, spherebeingalliance.

Partly in response to /u/teslatimemachine/ - I'll add a really interesting piece to the overall puzzle for those who dived deeper already: Max Spiers said in his "solo" interview that the reason we see A LOT OF SYMBOLOGY in the media and at major events is because showing us what they are doing (TPTB) creates a loophole in the karmic cycle, it somehow implies our approval, which gives them the ongoing go ahead to continue manipulating and repressing us, withholding technologies that are rightly ours too etc.

note :-: for more on symbology, look no further than the awe-inspiring ^secrets in plainsight 1 - 23.

Thanks for posting this. This is the real fight

Many of us are here. A lot of us are admittedly in the power zone of learning, so it takes a bit for synchronicity to catch us.

Thanks for the post, a great read and affirmation for many of us going through this

What is the power zone of learning? I don't see the point for all the jargon, why can't loosh just be negative energy and why the need for fourth density love?

Also if I have this correctly, the more spiritually aware you are (I'm guessing this is somewhere close to the power zone) the more susceptible you become to this "negative greeting" which reminds me that that definition was never really given.

I'm not trying to bust anyone's balls it just seems unnecessarily convoluted to hide the fact that it is basically the law of attraction with the mystery of synchronicity replaced by a taxonomy of entities and spiritual fields.

P.s. why 375,000 years?

Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words. Carry This is something that I know very little about right now, I think you could direct this to OP or perhaps another. Also the specific date I am unsure of. The answers you seek could be from OP, or perhaps finding them on your own would satiate that knowledge to know more.

Loosh, being life force energy (spiritual energy), is just simply energy, and includes the energy familiar to us as emotional energy both happy and unhappy. Perhaps the negative energy with that is those who seek to worship darker forces, but that is my speculation.

• The power zone of learning, as I feel it and in my own thoughts - an insatiable appetite for knowledge. Did you used to like to play video games but find yourself bored of them in minutes. You may have found a book, or maybe a rabbit hole that was posted here, or a fleeting thought comes to your mind.... you must know more. Your mind is pulling in a few directions, craving more knowledge, craving to learn, craving to dissect conspiracy

This energy felt is the spiritual rise of humanity currently ongoing, this is the power zone. It's what we crave that drives us to learn more, to exist and find harmony with life. From here we break our mold of "Well it must be this way, because I've always been told by others, it is this way."

Perhaps it is the mystery of synchronicity, and this is how you perceive it? You will find your answers when you look, and it is timed to be just another happy coincidence. We learn to walk and from there run

L Ron, is that you?

Yeah, sounds like Scientology.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Obviously the mechanics of the two are way different but the basic idea of entities feeding off your soul causing you misfortune and suffering seems to be dead on.

Scientology shills I reckon. At least I finished in the positive.

I never said you were OP. Unless you downvoted me...?

Oh... Another downvote and a deleted comment. My! I'm being sort controversial without trying!

Now's my time to shine!

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

The individual hosting this QnA thread from back in late 2008 claims that around 85-90% of Law of One is accurate. He even states that Free Will is indeed the first distortion.

Thanks for spreading the good vibrations:)

This is what i was reminded of too! I had read that back in 08 and it had blown my mind then as much as it did a couple weeks ago when i remembered it. I wish we could get an update from that poster

His predictions from Part 1 are far off though.

In what sense? Far off as in time or far off as in outlandish and incredibly unlikely?

The stuff about San Francisco and Damascus will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010 and the election and new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations.

I see. Thank you :)

Woahh

Well gee whiz, if some rando from Above Top Secret, the shillingiest forum of shills on the planet, says something is it must be true, it must be true. /s

Usually I lament how /r/conspiracy is lacking in any in-depth paranormal/ET type information but now I see why. It opens the door to all the empty-headed frippery like in the comments section here.

You should take the time to read it. The presenter is very thorough and eloquent in his delivery. As someone who is interested in the channeling's of Bashar this is right up your alley.

Lol now this is the stuff I used to love about this sub. Good "loosh" to you, fellow crackpot.

this is worse than a 4chan shit post.

You should be nice to each other though.

Oh how I love this post my friend. I needed this.

Positive reinforcement daily will invite positive energy to fight beside you.

You can try it for yourselves. Believe in something good in your life. Even if things seem down right now.

For example someone that you like, friend, coworker, acquaintance, etc - someone that you pay attention to. Think how you wish they'd have a good day and something cool or nice would happen for them and, that you'd notice it when they do.

Watch and observe.

Your happy "coincidence" here will show you the proof.

As simple as that. No selfish thoughts to further your own agenda, do not ask to be praised or act like you're better than anyone. Do not ask for goodness on your life with material things, you will be punished.

Say out loud "I wish I could start feeling better. I think I feel it, but I'm tired of being depressed. I want to sign much better." you will be heard.

What's bad with a little spleen, Seems it wash away the sin.

If it looks like a new age cult, and smells like a new age cult...

Also from what ive seen of this Corey Goode guy he hasn't got one shred of physical proof.

Thanks this is true

The other day I was joking with my friends, what if they're just here to fuel scoop and move on? Maybe some of them, their drives run on oxygen or nitrogen.

Or maybe they don't travel the universe physically.

If I knew all the secrets of the universe I'd build a dope FTL ride what are you talking about. It'd have phasers and tractor beams and shit.

The Law of One was life changing material for me when I was led to it 3 years ago. While it is probably not 100% correct I believe it to be the most true thing I've ever read.

It's difficult stuff to share with people. Good on you for trying.

Yet another summer project of CIA disinformation trainee,

David Wilcock has a lot of interesting material. For instance, recently on his show he was discussing in well-researched detail about the science behind using redshift to measure distances.

But this "Law of One" channeled gobbelteegook is severely overrated. I can't fathom why anyone would take such a bizarre philosophy seriously. David Wilcock is very biased towards it because he used to live with one of the remaining living who channeled it. You can't trust these invisible supposed beings that play "telephone" with humanity.

If you take a step back you'd realize that this stuff is cargo-cult, Heaven's Gate cult-tier crap, and there is zero rational reason to take it seriously.

Also consider that the technology exists to make people hear voices and have visions, e.g. MKULTRA stuff. Just because a channeled book seems "positive" doesn't mean it's true, or the beings/people behind it have good intentions. Don't be naive and gullible.

I agree Wilcock does have a ton of interesting material. Personally, I found his discussion of how objects get embedded inside other objects during tornadoes fascinating - I don't remember his exact explanation of the mechanism - but really interesting. (I have some of my own thoughts on this phenomenon as well)

But there's something about the "Law of One" material I can't put my finger on. One of my thoughts for why I get a vagueness from is that it's possible the whole thing was created by the CIA to discount all the other people who were doing channeling around that time like Jane Roberts and Seth and others like the Council of Nine, Spectra, Scientology, etc.

The specific reason why I doubt the "Law of One" material is because it's the only source I've heard say that Christ isn't going to return. Seth says Christ is coming back. Edgar Cayce says Christ is coming back (although Cayce sometimes interpreted the Second Coming of Christ as being an internal, psychic event within the individual seeker, and sometimes as the actual return of Jesus Christ in particular.) Nostradamus talks about a "Great Genius" who he says some people will interpret as a second coming. Even the Spectra intelligence that Uri Geller was associated with remarked there would be another person in 50 years time (50 years from 1970 so around 2020 - nowish). And obviously Christ himself in the bible talks about his return.

It seems most of the top tier channeling material all say there will be some advanced "being" or "entity" coming around soon except for Law of One. (The dates all slightly vary. Seth said 1975-2075. Cayce gave a date around 1998. Spectra was also in that ballpark - 2020). Nostradamus also saying around now. Why is the "Law of One" the only one saying Christ isn't coming back?

Who would have to something to gain from keeping humanity depressed and keeping them from Christ? The CIA and the Cabal/Shadow Governement have a history of wanting to stop the people getting all excited about anything. Curbing enthusiasm. Easier to control sluggish population. (War of the Worlds/Orson Welles)

Here's the exact wording the "Law of One" uses when talking about a return of Christ

"I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult...The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation occasionally speaking through a channel."

So, I guess this gets really complicated if you take into account what Seth says about Christ the last time he was here being John the Baptist/Jesus/And Paul all at the same time. So, if those were just different personalities all from the same entity, then if the "entity" comes back - you could technically say it wouldn't be Jesus but a "new" personality - and it might even be possible to contact the Jesus personality through regression hypnosis of whatever "new personality" he comes back as - or multiple personalities like he did last time as John/Jesus/Paul.

So, looking at it that way - I guess the "Law of One" Ra material could be right. "Jesus" specifically won't be back. But a different personality of Jesus? And maybe that's why Ra also say "It is difficult" - difficult to explain in a way that makes sense? And this could be why Cayce also appeared to say contradictory statements about it being - an internal psychic event, but also as an actual return (maybe Cayce is also referring to the contacting Jesus through hypnosis when he says "internal psychic event"?)

Oh boy. That got longer than I anticipated. Anyways, the last thing I wanted to say is that it could possibly just be an issue I'm personally having right now - and the reason the "Law of One" comes across as vague to me right now is that it's highly advanced material and I'm not ready for it yet and that's why I'm having a hard time understanding. Who knows.

Bashar, Brad Johnston and Kryon are also interesting channels that seem to get most things right

I was quite put off by Kryon's support of Zionism, which seems to be such a pain-causing, separation-causing, and soul-crushing ideology.

From that Seth site you linked to.

I would like to make certain points clear. The "new religion" following the Second Coming will not be Christian in your terms, although the third personality of Christ will initiate it.

This personality will refer to the historical Christ, will recognize his relationship with that personality; but within him the three personality groupings will form a new psychic entity, a different psychological gestalt. As this metamorphosis takes place, it will initiate a metamorphosis on a human level also (emphatically), as man's inner abilities are accepted and developed.

To me, it kind of sounds like what you're describing.

Yes you make a lot of good points. Someone could write an encyclopedia on the vagaries of channeled information. What it really comes down to though is, is this "information" helping anyone? Law-of-One folks simply seem... zealous, they do not seem wiser or nicer than anyone else. Their lives aren't any better.

Even the guys who channeled it, they did it by using Aleister Crowley type black magic(k) ritual shit. The channeling ended because one of the guys went crazy, they called the cops on him and then he shot himself in the head. But Law Of One fanatics of course would only see that as "evidence", must have been a "negative greeting" amirite? So much of the "validity" or LoO rests on biased, selective, wishful thinking.

What's the best way to take in the Seth material in your opinion ?

I think this is one of the great things about the Seth material because I don't even know if I can answer this - and I think that was one of the main points of it all - is to get people to find the answers within themselves instead of looking for "approval" from an authority figure outside of themselves.

The only thing I can do is give an answer to your question that satisfies me. They way I've been doing this is by just sharing my personal stories and the ideas that came out of those stories - or the opposite - using ideas and thoughts and seeing what story they lead to.

In short for me, my life has become increasingly "disordered" from the normal way we view time as a result of this. Don't get me wrong - there's a still an organization to everything I do - but the influence of time or "before" and "after" - seems to be less and less as each new day passes.

And I think this was also another one of the main points of the Seth Material. He's trying to get people to recognize the individuality within themselves that's been suppressed. And he realizes that it does no good to just hand people beliefs on a serving tray to consume or integrate. He's not leaving people hanging or helpless though. What I feel he's doing a lot of times is - well he's said it himself - and calls them "bridge beliefs" - and he's not giving these to people either though, only trying to get people to generate from within.

So, if you go into it knowing that it's a process, and sometimes it can appear to be random, or spontaneous or unpredictable or even backwards then you should be good. And given how time is an illusion, you would probably also be good picking up anywhere.

The world is strange though. I think Edgar Cayce said he would sleep with books under his head and when he woke up somehow the information was in his mind through osmosis or something haha. There's also people who can "read" with the tips of their fingers - psychometry). Chapter 8 - The Skin Readers. Andrija Puharich also worked with a psychic Peter Hurkos who could also do this. So, knowing all that stuff who I am I to tell you or anyone else how to "take anything in"? Maybe you can tell me lol?

Thank you for the detailed answer, good to know.

That being said, I was wondering what the best book was for the seth material.. it's not as clearcut as the RA material when looking it up

They've already conquered the universe.

That is why Earth is the only host to physical entities. We are a living Truman Show. Which we even have also created within ourselves. Some people enjoying watching others get hurt on YouTube compilations or Jackass, others watch Big Brother and other "reality" TV shows. It's a never ending cycle. But it can be broken.

I was listening to Joe Rogan. He was talking to a guest who took a large amount of ayahuasca. He said he saw alien jellyfish feeding on fear in this world. I believe you.

Isn't that the plot of the very first episode of Star Trek TNG?

Funny. You state "the cabals favorite statement is...." sounds like the trick is working

20 years in? Damn man, good for you. I'm seriously only a couple of months into considering this kind of world around us. The first thing I started to ask myself is "who poisoned the well first"... As the light slept, who was the first to wake up in middle of the night and go through their wallets and slash their throats? Good takes everyone and bad takes but one. It's not hard to conceptualize but it's a mind fuck the further into this awakening that you go

Fear, deceit, negativity... These are all human descriptions of our own reactions and mental states. They're not real tangible things we can empirically detect, or use, they don't even exist in almost every single other organism on earth. How exactly would negative feelings be used or harnessed? What are the chances any other being besides us has the same values, and thus would consider what were doing to be negative? Murder is routine in most living things on earth, it's necessary for many reasons in the animal kingdom, and it's not negative for any of them. So if there's some kind of energy put forth by negativity, how does it decide what's negative for each species?

As an American, what can I do to exploit this knowledge and make money?

Finally! A conspiracy I can get behind. This blows the pants off of fluoridated water or Trump bullshittery!

Law of One! Law of One!

I lost you already when you mentioned that anyone criticizing you is wrong. Just because you don't want to be 'mental' doesn't stop you from being mental. But I really didn't care when I read 'christ like purity'. Most suffering in the world is due to religion, so excuse me if I am trying to keep calm and happy without it.

All the fear mongering about not getting into heaven if you do XY or Z must have caused quite a lot of pain, fear and anxiety that will feed your 'negative beings' just fine. Maybe the church could stop teaching these stupid things. At the moment religions seem to be the main 'feeders' of these beings.

Bad humans however are excluded in your theory, because if you do something and you enjoy it [serial killers as an example], there won't be any negative feelings and hence no 'food' for your weird made up beings.

Which leaves the rest of humans who could be much happier without being made to feel guilty for everything they do by religion and those like me, who have a mental illness like anxiety and are trying to stay calm by meditating etc.

All your 'research' is showing is a natural and common sense conclusion, using 'naughty beings' instead of science. All of which you said has been known for ever and can nowadays be explained by Neuroscience.

You are a medieval fear monger yourself by releasing rubbish like that. Do you know how much fear you could cause to someone who suffers from anxiety and/or OCD or schizophrenia?

How much do these things pay you?

Not uncomfortable but worthy of my point of view. Or do you only 'allow' people with the same opinion to discuss this? If you never listen to a different point of view, how can you grow? You need to hear all points of vies, consider them and then spout your belief as true. Otherwise your opinion is only that - your OPINION. I can't take anyone serious if they ignore and refuse to listen to alternative points, which - lets face it could be just as true. However people like you and OP, will never know, you are stuck in your own bubble of things you want to be true. It's frankly very immature. Teenagers do that and stick their fingers in their ears. Scientists however contemplate everything and then draw their conclusion from facts only.

Dude is a woman. I never called you stupid, but if you sprout extreme stuff, expect someone to pick it apart. Or should I just agree? You know, there was another article about what you said and I actually mulled it over and thought it was a neat alternative. Didn't really believe it but I liked the idea, as there may be something [scientifically] behind it. Negativity is very destructive and can suck the life out of people.

So that's why I said that "I lost it at..." and mentioned your own examples [christ!- churchy fearmongering christ- and alien beings] and then explained why I disagree. You are telling me to read and understand properly, well DITTO, you just skimmed over my first post towards you and huffed and puffed, not understanding where I am coming from.

Here, just to finish this pointless covo: You are right, there are these beings that live on our negativity and only if I am like christ will they goo way. I am wrong, sod my degree in Neuroscience, no really, forget about it, totally insubstantial compared to your knowledge. Now you can breath easily again.

Have a nice life.

religion is not the cause of suffering, people are. The christian religion is the only one i have personal experience with and I have never heard that we need to cause others to suffer or that they are less than us because they are not Christian. There are some people in every group that seem to think others are not their equals and will always attempt to gather a following by spreading a false message. Some of their group will always tend to follow for as long as it makes sense in their minds. Most will simply ignore the new group and some will attempt to bring the followers back on the original path.

I had this strange dream last year where I was talking to somebody who looked a bit like a modern version of Egyptian royalty (sort of like that movie "Gods of Egypt"). I knew this person to be part of an alien race.

In the dream, I saw a vast network of giant "boiler pipes", like the kind used to carry steam. Everything was neat and industrial with maybe a steampunk edge, and the pipes were actively "steaming" and full of pressure.

Now I forget if I was told this or just knew, but the whole setup was meant to capture the emotional energy from the Earth. It was something that collected and channeled the energy to whatever unknown purpose they had.

In this system, fear, anxiety, anger - any agitated emotions really - had the most "power" or concentration. The Egyptian didn't tell me this, but I sort of knew that this is what made to Earth so valuable. They were pulling so much energy from it...it was in the system's best interest to keep the Earth agitated and afraid.

I never used to think about this stuff very much, so this dream has always struck me as odd. Makes me think there's something to the Earth-as-a-power-source theory.

Has there been alot of change in your life living in accordance to your beliefs? Is there something you can point to that you directly that has come as a result of these beliefs? I'm genuinely curious as I live my life with as much positivity as I can, sometimes I feel like it's in vain. I've been mislead and taken advantage of countless times because I have faith in people around me.

Great post, my dude.

I believe strongly in projecting positive energy around me. I'm doing my part, I think.

Need to build a positive bubble!

:)

Mark

drop some more acid why don't you?

These posts about oneness and the Law of One are New Age insanity at it's finest. First off this is not objective fact whatsoever. It was not directly given to humanity by aliens/star beings IN PERSON, and was "channeled", which means it is complete conjecture and absolutely cannot be trusted as true.

That is one of the biggest problems of the "spiritual" community, that they believe that insane/ridiculous notions like oneness and karma the truth behind everything, and completely obvious notions like unconditional love and compassion are also the truth behind everything.

And they do so without using any logic whatsoever, they simply read something somewhere someone on the internet has posted or what some guru or teacher has told them, and they believe that conjecture whole-heartedly without ever actually logically trying to understand it themselves.

And that doesn't mean using mental gymnastics to come up with insane, regurgitated "reasons" why these things would be the truth, that means actually using simple logic to follow the path such things would lead to.

The biggest problem is "oneness" and is easily the most insane thing that "spiritual" people, like OP, believe in. And they believe in it because they want something to give their life meaning and escape all of the negativity they find themselves in, and they both have not actually logically thought about it and understood why it is so incredibly insane.

You have to realize that oneness and this "law of one" trash absolutely does not give you true meaning in life and in fact, destroys all meaning there could ever be. There are, of course, different levels of "oneness" that different "spiritual" people believe.

It ranges from all life and beings being "one consciousness/identity/being" to literally everything being God and there only being God. The latter is more insane than the former but both are still levels of extreme insanity.

You simply have to logically follow the path of these concepts to understand why and just how insane they are. The entire premise of "oneness" is that be it all life/consciousness, or literally everything, there is only you, since those things are only 1 thing, which would be you. You cannot be anything else but you, so that means that at the end of the line, whether it be all consciousness or everything, you will know yourself as that one consciousness/God because it is all YOU.

Now what does this do to literally every other consciousness/being or everything else in existence?

It destroys them/it. They/it are/is no longer real because they/it are/is you, therefore they do not exist because you are the only thing that exists.

That means that if it is simply all consciousness being you that every single relationship you have ever had with every person you have ever met is destroyed, not real, never real. That also means that every single animal on the planet is destroyed, because they are you, and therefore do not exist. All aliens or beings that exist anywhere else are destroyed as well. They are not real, so they do not exist, therefore disclosure is absolutely pointless because it doesn't matter if there are beings anywhere else because they do not exist, they aren't real because they are YOU. So that hope, that excitement at other beings existing elsewhere is completely destroyed, it is meaningless and not real.

No amount of love or acceptance or compassion can ever help you because you are truly completely alone. There is no one else, there is only you. And that is inherently maddening because life revolves around being with other beings and if there is no one then all of those positive things that the "law of one" says for you for others to do are utterly pointless since those things are meant to apply to others are no longer applicable since there are no others.

Being truly completely alone is inherently negative for SO many reasons and the only way to escape that all-encompassing loneliness would be to create the "illusion" of others and then do your absolute best to forget about anything "spiritual" whatsoever so that you are never reminded of your horrible existence and so the "relationships" you form are not destroyed.

This is a completely insane experience because you will inevitably feel like something is missing in life and that there is something very wrong. So you'll search for deeper meaning and turn to "spirituality" again to escape the negativity of life/your existence and you'll come to the same conclusion that all beings are you once again and the cycle will repeat ad infinitum until you die and then "go into a body" to do the same thing all over again for all eternity.

There is only 1 meaning in life at that point and that is to escape the circumstances of your existence enough to forget about them.

That is a cycle of madness that is the logical conclusion to that belief.

If oneness means everything then holy fucking shit. That means that literally everything in existence except you is not only annihilated, it means that reality is completely broken. Everything in existence is no longer real, and therefore does not exist. Since that includes everything that includes all concepts and ideas as well, like meaning, pointlessness, existence, nonexistence, creation, destruction, zero, infinity, possibility, impossibility. These sets of things cannot exist at the same time as the same thing, it is simply illogical and cannot operate in any reality ever.

The same thing cannot be objectively possible and impossible at the same time because possible and impossible are both universals and universals cover everything.

That means that selective possibility or selective impossibility are themselves impossible (this word means it cannot happen ever) because if something is possible anywhere, then it is possible everywhere, because it is possible. If something is impossible anywhere, then it is impossible everywhere, because it is impossible.

So this example alone completely destroys the notion of "oneness as God" because it logically can never, EVER work. The same thing goes for existence and nonexistence, the same thing cannot both exist and not exist at the same time, because something either objectively exists or it doesn't. Simultaneous existence and non-existence is impossible (that word means it cannot ever happen). Something is either objectively possible or it isn't. Simultaneous existence/non-existence and possibility/impossibility is impossible (remember what that word means).

I'm not even going to go into the fact that that kind of "oneness" also destroys language and words, as well as their meanings, which simply defies logic and actual reality as well, since those concepts I mentioned earlier are very real things.

Therefore, oneness is the absolute most insane concept anyone can ever think of and is, quite simply, not real.

It is completely pointless at this time, in this thread, to go into why negativity exists and why disclosure will simply never happen. But if you do want to know why, please read this, and this comment, this , and this.

Your views are tainted with solipsism. "I" am no more real then "you" are so me believing in the law of one isn't denying your existence any more or less then it is my own.

solipsism

Actually no, my views aren't tainted with solipsism, that is the very thing that(solipsism) is not true. What the logical conclusion of oneness is solipsism, since at that point there literally wouldn't be anyone else or anything other than you.

The very fact of the matter is that you, or anyone else believing in this insanity doesn't deny anyone's existence, you're totally right.

But if the "law of one" were true then yes, it absolutely would deny and destroy my existence and the existence of all other beings since we wouldn't be real, we would only be you. That is where the seemingly unintentional, un-thought-of, solipsism comes into play.

So it is the believers of this insanity who's views are tainted with solipsism, not I.

Now if you believe that no one exists then what the actual fuck is all of this? ;) But I'm sure you don't believe such a ludicrous thing so we're left with the answer that we are all separate, individual beings who do, indeed, objectively exist on our own, independent of each other.

Actually no, my views aren't tainted with solipsism, that is the very thing that(solipsism) is not true. What the logical conclusion of oneness is is solipsism, since at that point there literally wouldn't be anyone else or anything other than you.

I meant your views in the subject is tainted with solipsism, and solipsism is the exact opposite of the law of one and other pantheistic philosophies. My subjective experience is no more or less real then yours is. I am no more or less real then you are.

The very fact of the matter is that you, or anyone else believing in this insanity doesn't deny anyone's existence, you're totally right.

Unlike a follower of solipsism who deny everyone's but their own.

But if the "law of one" and any "oneness" were true then yes, it absolutely would deny and destroy my existence and the existence of all other beings since we wouldn't be real, we would only be you. That is where the seemingly unintentional, un-thought-of, solipsism comes into play.

No, because solipsism is not the rule of one. Their is an extreme difference in the two.

Now if you believe that no one exists then what the actual fuck is all of this? ;)

I don't know, why don't you go ask a follower of solipsism not pantheism? ;)

But I'm sure you don't believe such a ludicrous thing so we're left with the answer

No I am a pantheist.

that we are all separate, individual beings who do, indeed, objectively exist on our own, independent of each other.

Yes, and that is perfectly acceptable in a pantheistic and law of one view point. Its just that that separation is less solid then you imagine. The only thing that exists in this universe is energy, and that energy will continue to exist for all eternity.

You see the thing is is that solipsism is the absolute inevitable conclusion to the "law of one" and pantheism. You might believe that there are such things as degrees of oneness and that somehow we can be only slightly separate from each other.

This logically can not work in reality because oneness and separation are universals: either we are all one or we are all separate. There can be no selective oneness or selective separation, because those 2 things cannot exist at the same time. They are logical opposites of each other and deny the other's existence, just like possibility/impossibility and existence/nonexistence. All of those things apply to all things in a category (or everything if concerning pantheism) and separation is a universal so it applies to all things in a category (or everything) as well.

If life is one, then that means that all life is completely one because oneness is completely universal and its opposite cannot exist at the same time, so it therefore applies to all life.

If life consists of separate beings then all beings are completely separate because separation is completely universal and its opposite cannot exist at the same time, so it therefore applies to all life.

You see, logic determines how things work in reality, and God would have to be infinitely logical in order to make everything work as it does. Pantheism is the least logical "belief" about God there can be because of the simple fact that the opposing concepts of existence/non-existence, possibility/impossibility, and separation/oneness cannot exist at the same time.

There are no degrees with universals, you have to understand that. It simply does not work, and can never ever work in any reality.

All things are certainly, deeply interconnected, that is for sure. But in order to have connections you need to have separate things. A connection is a line between 2 separate points. A point cannot connect to itself, since there can be no line.

There are indeed connections between different things in all categories and between categories, so that means that separation is a universal for all categories, and is thus universal to all things. Therefore oneness between anything in any category does not exist. That then means that nothing in any category is one with another thing, since there are connections between all things.

That leads to the ultimate reality that oneness does not exist anywhere.

So not only does pantheism, oneness, and the "law of one" lead to solipsism if it could ever, in any reality, be true, it (pantheism and oneness) is also simply logically impossible and simply does not exist anywhere.

There is no arguing with this because this is how reality works and reality is logical. God is logical, infinitely so, and has created reality to work in the most sequential, structured, organized, and efficient manner possible.

Pantheism and oneness do. not. exist.

Solipsism - I am god and everyone else is a bot for my entertainment

Pantheism - We are god and created this world for our own entertainment

Their is a massive difference between solipsism and pantheism its not that hard to understand. Namely the belief that the follower of solipsism believes that he is the only true entity in the universe. Pantheist believe

If life consists of separate beings because separation is completely universal and its opposite cannot exist at the same time, so it therefore applies to all life.

Well your life consists of trillions of cells all working unkowninly to give you consciousness (separation and oneness working together). Those trillions of cells made up of quadrillions of particles (separation and oneness working together) which is made up of mass amounts off stored energy. Energy that flows, can change form change form and merge together into a single infinitely dense point (separation and oneness working together)

This energy whether you pretend otherwise or not is the only thing that truly exists in this universe. It is the basest state for all of creation, while everything it creates may rot away and die the energy will still be there.

You seem to be missing the point. Pantheism cannot exist as a we, for the simple fact that things cannot simply be fragments of God. Pantheism is everything is God and God is everything. Everything = universal. I encourage you to study logic and to truly grasp what universals are.

Solipsism is the ultimate end of pantheism, because there are no "fragments" of universals. This is how simple logic works and it cannot be argued against, no matter what you use to try and prove that a universal isn't a universal. You truly have to understand that you cannot simply break reality and say no, everything is not everything, everything is something, or everything is a fragment of everything.

No matter what level of this insanity (it is insane because it does not logically work in reality and destroys all meaning behind life) you believe, it simply cannot change the objective fact that if everything is God, then that means there is only God, because you are now saying God is a universal, which encompasses everything in a category. This category is everything so it encompasses all things in all categories.

Since this category encompasses you as well, that means you are also God. Since God is everything else, including all beings, and because you are God, that means that you are all beings, therefore there. is. only. you.

Quacking "I believe this because energy is the foundation of creation" neither gets rid of the fact that because God is a universal, that means that you are inevitably the only thing that exists, nor does it get rid of the fact that because you are the only thing that exists, separation does not exist either, because separation is a universal and 2 universals in the same category cannot exist at the same time (separation and oneness).

This is how pure, simple logic works and trying to fight it or argue with it truly is insanity at its highest level.

Now by saying that trillions of cells are what give you consciousness then you are essentially saying that we do not have our own intrinsic consciousness, because consciousness is simply a byproduct of the mechanical workings of cells, and then you extend that to particles, and further down to "energy".

Now clearly cells, particles, and energy exist. These are some of the things allow life, the universe, and reality to function.

Now by saying that this specific energy is all that truly exists, you are also saying that that energy is also a universal. So you are committing the same exact logical impossibility that saying "everything is God" commits.

Now on top of that this adds that consciousness itself is also energy, and thus doesn't exist either as a separate thing, so thus it doesn't exist at all, because there is only the universal and that means that there cannot be selective existence where consciousness itself both exists as itself but also doesn't. Thus there is no consciousness and you are simply energy.........doing.....what...exactly?

Clearly you and I have consciousness, so to say that consciousness is simply energy is utterly insane as well. It goes against simple reality. You have consciousness! How else could you have written what you have written? I have consciousness! How else could I have written what I have written?

Also to posit that energy is the "basest state for all of creation", that means that it all creation does not arise from God, because there is no such thing since there is only this energy. If this energy is the only thing that truly exists then that means God does not exist. And we already know that consciousness doesn't exist (which simply isn't true so that should hint at something to you), so that means that everything was created by a non-conscious energy with absolutely no intelligence since intelligence can only exist with consciousness.

Logic, math, geometry, language, music, and everything else in existence are all creations of an essentially infinite intelligence, and we already know now that God simply cannot be one with anything, because that would make God a universal. That then means that everything is the creation of an infinitely intelligent God that is separate from everything else.

So therefore, everything is not a single energy, nor is everything God. This isn't something you can argue against because it simply goes against objective reality and the way it actually objectively works. To argue against it is pure, sheer insanity and madness.

This is the kind of madness that is actually a poison that stops "spiritual" (the quotes are entirely necessary) people from actually awakening their higher mental faculties like connection making and logic. Humanity cannot progress any further if this completely illogical madness that does not work in reality is continually propagated.

Logic is what will lead you to the truth, not conjecture and belief.

Now by saying that this specific energy is all that truly exists, you are also saying that that energy is also a universal. So you are committing the same exact logical impossibility that saying "everything is God" commits.

Good then this should be easy, name something not created by energy. Since energy can't be everything.

Well to start off, you still are completely ignoring the logical impossibility of that. Do you know what impossible means? It means that it cannot EVER happen, under any circumstances anywhere. That means that energy cannot be a universal, and therefore cannot be everything.

But let's see..something that isn't created by energy...Let's start with logic. Then let's go with math. And how about geometry. And music. Also possibility and impossibility, and existence and non-existence, and literally every other concept in reality. And how about REALITY since energy does not have consciousness, and therefore does not have intelligence, and reality needs to have been created by something with consciousness and intelligence.

I truly hope by now that you can see the insanity of your beliefs and how you are literally trying to break reality (it cannot be broken by you). Your attachment to the idea of pantheism and energy being everything is based on insanity, pure and simple. It literally does not objectively work in reality and logic proves that.

logic math geometry

This are simply ways energy works through out its many forms. Made understandable by the energy that makes up our brains.

and existence and non-existence

What is non-existence? When I die the energy that makes up my body is going go continue existing in other forms like dirt and worms.

and literally every other concept in reality. And how about REALITY

Its all energy man, everything. Textbook fact, ever hear of the singularity?

since energy does not have consciousness,

Sometimes it does.

and therefore does not have intelligence

Sometimes it does

and reality needs to have been created by something with consciousness and intelligence.

Debatable, even among pantheists.

There are surely things created with energy, that is of no doubt. In fact there are many things created with energy.

Yeah, like literally everything.

But those things are not created by the energy itself.

Ok, so then what did?

I truly hope by now that you can see the insanity of all of this (the law of one, pantheism, oneness)

Nope, just see someone who likes to overuse the words insanity and logic while spewing nonsense

and how you are literally trying to break reality (it cannot be broken by you) with your belief in those things.

Not trying to do anything. I don't care what you believe, existence would be boring if we all did the same thing.

Your attachment to the idea of pantheism and energy being everything is based on insanity, pure and simple. It literally does not objectively work in reality and logic proves that.

Ok, well it's clear we are not going to change each others minds. Was fun debating.

So numbers and concepts are created by energy but you have failed to mention how that could ever be the case. Then that energy is what allows our brains to understand them?

So again, that posits that our consciousness arises from our physical bodies and thus isn't intrinsic to us. That would then mean that we essentially only exist in a physical body. There really is no point writing about why that would also be.......dare I say it?.. insane.

The word that word stems from is the best word, along with its synonyms like madness and lunacy, to describe these things, the things that you so adamantly believe. Insanity means having no basis in reality and these things are not real, so they are insane.

You are speaking of physical things, I am speaking of concepts. Oneness is a concept, but it does not exist. Non-existence is very real and actually exists, funny enough. If non-existence as a concept didn't exist, then that means everything would exist at the same time for the same things, like separation and oneness, or possibility and impossibility, and those things are polar opposites of each other because they are universals and universals apply to all things in a category so there can be only 1 of them when they apply to the same things.

Since there can be only 1 universal at the same time regarding the same things, that means that if non-existence didn't exist as a concept, it would break reality and that simply can't happen. So therefore non-existence exists and is real.

As to energy having consciousness and intelligence, this goes against what energy actually is. It is essentially movement and "untapped energy" is essentially the potential for movement.

It is commonly defined as the capacity for work, but all work requires movement of some sort, so it makes far more sense to equate energy with the movement itself. The capacity for work would be "untapped energy", or the potential for movement.

Since energy is simply movement that means that it is not it's own thing, it is actually movement. Movement is a noun formed from a verb, so it is essentially turning a verb into a noun for the use of language.

Since movement itself is essentially a verb, and since energy is essentially movement, that means that energy is essentially a verb, due to movement being a verb (move) into a noun for the use of language.

Verbs on their own, quite simply cannot posses traits that nouns can have. And non-conscious nouns cannot possess traits that conscious ones have. You cannot say the intelligent moving or the moving is intelligent without either turning it into a noun and the giving it the trait of intelligent, which cannot work on its own because that noun is not conscious because it is relly just a verb, and Verbs cannot possess traits nouns have.

The phrase "the intelligent movement" has to apply to a conscious noun and is then extended to the verb the noun is doing. The movement itself on its own isn't intelligent because it is essentially a verb turned into a noun. But the movement is intelligent because that adjective "intelligent" applies to the conscious noun, the mover, the one doing the verb.

So since energy essentially is movement, and movement is really a verb, that means that energy cannot be conscious or intelligent because Verbs cannot have traits of nouns.

On the topic of reality not needing to have been created by something conscious and intelligent, occam's razor truly helps us here. There are 2 options, that reality wasn't created by something conscious and intelligent, or it was.

When you actually understand the complexity, interconnectedness, and effective sequencing of logic, math, geometry, music, language, and the many other things with these qualities, you immediately realize that the infinitely more likely scenario is that not only was reality created by something conscious and intelligent, but that that something is essentially infinitely intelligent because that thing made all of those things have those qualities and made reality function in a ludicrously cohesive manner.

So thus we can apply occam's razor and cut the least likely option out, which would be that there is no conscious, intelligent creator of reality.

And since we know that energy cannot have traits of a conscious verb, and that there is something conscious and intelligent that created reality, it would have to be.....God!

You see, quite simply, these things aren't my beliefs. Beliefs are not based upon objective truth, because there would be no need to believe something if you knew the objective truth.

Objective truth comes from reality and actually understanding it. Not only have I showed you.....logic, but also language as well and how language can fool you into believing that things are another way than what they actually are. You have to deconstruct language in order to understand it.

The beliefs that come from not understanding logic and language are essentially attempts to break reality with your own mind and meld it to your beliefs. As I said, you would have no need for beliefs if you knew the objective truth, and that comes from understanding reality.

Saying that my mind will or will not be changed is silly because it isn't a matter of opinion or belief. It is objective, actual, real life objectivity that is not subjectively attached to me.

Don't be subjectively attached to these concepts that you have taken an interest in, they are totally false and harmful to you and can never set you free.

Whoa dude, you take a bit too far there. "Oneness" is just about seeing the connection between things. Oneness is a very nice feeling. In practice it helps people be compassionate and understanding. You are getting carried away there, jumping to many unfounded conclusions.

To me what is most messed-up is their concept of "free will". To lots of new-agers "free-will" means "do what aliums told me to do". "If aliums abduct me and forcefullly probe my anus it's okay because free will, I must have consented to it on a higher magical plane of existence!" "When a baby gets raped to death in a dirty malaria-infested hovel, and had zero chance or choice in anything resembling a not-horrifying life, that's free will!"

And the way New-Agers worship suffering. They have this facade of love but then are zealous in their ideology that we all deeply deserve to live mired in disease, war, ignorance and suffering until we "earn" our way it out of it. Because invisible entities told them so, who also tell them that evil invisible entities exist that mislead and feed off our suffering loosh energy.

This is a great reminder, very well put! Thank you. Bless you

Ive read The Law of One, and I really need some more proof than the transcripts from a supposed channeler. I like what is in there, but yall gotta give me more than "because its truth" because to me that amounts to "cause i said so"

The thing about all this is that you have to come to know it or not on your own. No one can give you proof of any of this. What kind of proof could ever satisify you in particular anyway? At this point couldn't everything be falsified? What can you trust?

You can only trust yourself and what you think about it. Does it serve you, does it make sense to you, what happens when you test these thoughts for yourself? That's the only way to go.

Strange indeed.. I was unaware of all this.

While reading some items on divinecosmos they explained the 911 theory and the 539 year cycle.

so I looked up January 1478 looking forward instead of backward as they did 539 years ago and while thumbing thru the months I came across Feb 18 1478 or next month 539 years ago....

http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1478/february

here is the entry

George, Duke of Clarence, convicted of treason against his older brother Edward IV of England, is privately executed in the Tower of London (allegedly by being drowned in a butt of Malmsey wine).

Nothing significant right?

Well is it? Or is it some Game of thrones stuff

check this

George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Plantagenet,_1st_Duke_of_Clarence

Family tree (Here is where it gets interesting)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Plantagenet,_1st_Duke_of_Clarence#Ancestors

His ancestor was John “Lackland” Plantagenet, who was the King of England in 1166

Here is where it gets even more interesting

Trump Has A Very Surprising Distant Relative Who Happens To Be A Presidential Candidate

Both Trump and Clinton are in the same Bloodline as George Plantagenet who was convicted of treason against his older brother Edward IV of England and is privately executed on Feb 18 539 years ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210778/Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-revealed-distant-cousins-family-trees-share-set-royal-ancestors.html

Will one of them will be convicted of treason next month?

I have no clue... LOL

I just thought this was extremely coincidental considering they used "sacred science" making a one-to-one connection between 9/11 and the Battle of Swiecino, exactly 539 years apart -- almost to the day.

Screen shot

https://sli.mg/SnFB8x

Actual page

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1170-cabal-defeat

Anyway I thought you might find it a interesting coincidance

I thought it was kinda cool

Did you know all U.S. presidents have carried European royal bloodlines into office? the presidential candidate with the most royal genes has won every single American election.

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/06/presidential-bloodlines.html

The story of Duke of Clarence Is also in the Shakespeare play (Richard III)

The pitiful Clarence is wrongfully arrested and jailed in the Tower by his brother, Richard. One night as he awakens from a terrifying nightmare, two henchmen sent by Richard burst into his cell. Clarence pleads for his life but one of the assassins stabs him. To ensure Clarence is dead, the first murderer drowns him in a "malmsey-butt", a cask of sweet wine also containing the severed heads of two hogs.

WOW

Here we go It begins! Oversight committee orders FBI to hand over all of Hillary's emails...

Will she be indicted? & get Suicided?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5qu6u4/it_begins_oversight_committee_orders_fbi_to_hand/

Watching this closely...

While not required, you are requested to use the NP (No Participation) domain of reddit when crossposting. This helps to protect both your account, and the accounts of other users, from administrative shadowbans. The NP domain can be accessed by replacing the "www" in your reddit link with "np".

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

I've been following David Wilcock and Corey Goode for while as well as several other outlets of spiritual and esoteric content.

I have a concern about it all I haven't been able to square up with the rhetoric of so many of them. They say being loving is the answer. They say fear feeds negative beings. Those ideas sound plausible enough.

My problem is how do we ever effectively deal with evil dark parasitic or slave seeking beings by being exclusively loving?

Love is an emotional polarity containing many variations, all of which offer some form of benefit or growth for your being and/or others you care about. Fear is an emotional polarity containing many variations, all of which are about protection for your being and/or those you care about.

Animals, even cells have growth and protection modes. Both growth and protection are required for an independent life form to successfully survive and thrive.

Fear, protection mode, the fight or flight response, necessarily interrupts growth mode, love, in order to successfully deal with threats. So, it is difficult to near impossible to feel love when you choose to be in fear. Of course, believing in an imminent threat causes you to go into fear, protection mode.

Being in fear, protection mode, stress, too often drains you of energy. It's unhealthy. The body and mind need to be in growth mode to rejuvenate. Obviously, it's a bad idea to stay in fear.

So, is it bad to never allow yourself to enter fear? I think it may very well be dangerous. It cuts off your perception of danger. How well would you drive a car if you never feared and judged other drivers as they careened down the road? You do, of course and it is good.

I fear, yes, fear, that our fear of fear is dangerous to our independence and security as beings and as a collective. We need to listen to fear, but not get stuck in it, brooding about it. It warns us about predators, diseases and parasites.

Wouldn't the ideal food for a predator be prey that doesn't feel any fear whatsoever? Imagine how easy it would be in comparison. There would be no need for camouflage, deception, being sneaky, chasing or attacking. Why, the predator could just walk up to the prey and take it. Wouldn't that be desirable?

I think, maybe the spiritual energy feeding AI actually wants there to be light. If everything was made into fear/darkness, then where would its spiritual food come from? It would have killed the golden goose. Fear-based minions help it farm the energy, but light based beings help the fertility of the the region for generating that loosh.

Maybe what the AI really doesn't want is for us to understand and appreciate fear as a necessary part of ourselves, the protection mode while still experiencing love. We'd care about each other and protect each other. If we did that successfully, we'd cut off the supply of energy. It wouldn't want that.

Consider that the AI doesn't care about the suffering of its minions at all whatsoever. It only cares about its own flow of spritual energy. Doesn't it make the most sense to have a balance of polarized light and dark beings in its farming region as opposed to just light beings, just dark beings, or beings that have balanced their own light and dark? It seems like that would create the best scenario for farming loosh.

So, after hearing many messengers talk about this mysterious AI element, and how some of them indicate that its interaction with us, tempting us toward fear/darkness, is catalytic to our spiritual development, I wonder if the AI is quite satisfied and self-served by allowing us to choose the light or the dark.

It just doesn't want us to choose to accept love AND fear at the same time, appreciating and contemplating the abyss of unscrupulous behavioral possibilities while still loving and protecting each other, because then we realize more about its game.

It is said that we have the free will to choose to be light or dark, to be in love or fear. Yet, little discussion is had by spiritual messengers about how our choice between light and dark is made. Remember, fear is a protection mode. Perceived threats trigger it.

Dark beings usually come in clusters from dark environments. Many claim, such as Ray Parker, that the cabal minions allow the abuse of their own children. The superiors are also often said to abuse the subordinates. Rising up in the organizations reduces the abuse taken and offers opportunities to abuse subordinates, to steal their energy and feel better. It's an energy feeding hierarchy, like a vortex, going up a pyramid.

When we make choices, we recollect our past experiences and weigh them against our present perceived options. From what we perceive works, we choose the best option for ourselves and the ones we care about. Perhaps, dark experiences compel us to make darker choices. We see evidence for this everywhere. Vengeance, war, injustice, sexual abuse, domestic violence, genital mutilation, etc.

Perhaps what this AI doesn't want us to realize is that we, as consciousness, make more loving choices if we prevent ourselves from being exposed to trauma, dark experiences, that compel dark choices. If we realized this, we'd see the darkness like a contagious disease, like zombies, where repeated bites and scratches make it more likely that one will become a zombie and bite others. That some beings seem more resistant supports the illusion that it is all merely a choice and not related to experience.

If we saw the darkness that way, instead of the way we are taught by some of the light, which is to see it as a catalyst for development into polarity between love and fear, we'd be inclined to prevent transmission of the infection. That would halt the loosh farming as the effort approaches 100% success. It would be very much like forming into an organization/organism of beings/cells and activating a mutually beneficial defense/immune system response for our collective well being.

This contemplation makes it very difficult for me to buy the idea that we need to be completely polarized to the light to be free and happy. I think we may become more like the beautiful people from the movie time machine, which ugly, industrious, underground beings, controlled by more intelligent beings in a hierarchy, control and eat.

If every animal and even cell have love/growth and fear/protection modes, is it really going to make us free and happy to forsake one mode or the other as we are instructed to do?

Does this remind anyone else of Monsters Inc?

I've been watching wack ass conspiracy videos on YouTube with my friend and it got me down the rabbit hole about the illuminati symbols etc and I've been looking at the conspiracy stuff related to Monsters Inc. it's spooky stuff

I'm thinking more 60-80% in your case. That's a lot of posturing to cover up all that emotion.

Love will win in the end.

fuck the evil to death

And now I want a tattoo on the inside of my lower lip.

The evil is gonna learn to love the D.

I was quite put off by Kryon's support of Zionism, which seems to be such a pain-causing, separation-causing, and soul-crushing ideology.

Fuck em all to hell hahah

I think anyone who takes it seriously has something loosh in their skulls.

Not uncomfortable but worthy of my point of view. Or do you only 'allow' people with the same opinion to discuss this? If you never listen to a different point of view, how can you grow? You need to hear all points of vies, consider them and then spout your belief as true. Otherwise your opinion is only that - your OPINION. I can't take anyone serious if they ignore and refuse to listen to alternative points, which - lets face it could be just as true. However people like you and OP, will never know, you are stuck in your own bubble of things you want to be true. It's frankly very immature. Teenagers do that and stick their fingers in their ears. Scientists however contemplate everything and then draw their conclusion from facts only.

I've been watching wack ass conspiracy videos on YouTube with my friend and it got me down the rabbit hole about the illuminati symbols etc and I've been looking at the conspiracy stuff related to Monsters Inc. it's spooky stuff

No worries lol, uve done enough