We can't really do that. But certainly if we have some mod changes we know things are falling apart.

I'm a little ignorant on this subject, how are mods even chosen? I've never really paid attention to our mods.

Mods are chosen by the created of the sub, those mods and the creator choose other mods and so on.

So which current mods are selling out to CTR?

First new mod in about a year was added two days ago.

Jesus fucking Christ, and the post about the intelligence stuff was removed from the front page.

I genuinely am creeped out.

It's a takeover. Be aware of a false flag in the next 10 days.

It can't possibly be a 'false flag' anymore, it'll be so obvious and anticlimactic. Mark Zuckerberg will wave a jolly roger when the CIA orders him to shut the grid down.

Yeah I think itll be an Internet shut down

what post was removed? now i want to read. someone needs to start a blog keeping track and listing the removed stories.

The huge post was removed from the front page, mods labeled it "brigaded/hoax".

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5n90h5/reports_allege_trump_has_deep_ties_to_russia/?st=IXTFFCPH&sh=1ed73049

oh, that. ok, thanks.

That's because the thread was brigaded and Buzzfeed itself admitted that the story "included clear errors."

As a longtime contributor to this subreddit (as opposed to the people who just wandered in from /r/all and /r/EnoughTrumpSpam), I support the moderators' decision to remove that thread.

It wasn't brigaded, it was hit from /r/all. That's by a brigade, that's the world commenting on it.

Are only longtime contributors allowed to contribute?

Who will post when they're dead?

The speed with which that thread was upvoted out of the new tab was highly unusual for this subreddit.

People jumped from /r/all and /r/politics over to /r/conspiracy because this is a conspiracy.

You're the person who said it was good that the mods here are censoring posts, you're a hypocrite.

You conveniently ignored my point that the upvote pattern was highly unusual before it hit /r/all.

You also twisted my words. Here's is what I wrote:

I support the moderators removing spam, obvious hoaxes, and brigades. That's not censorship; that's being a good janitor.

I have no further interest in continuing this conversation with you when it's obvious that you're here to push a particular political agenda at all costs.

I'm defending that it's yet to be determined whether or not it is a hoax, and declaring it one prematurely, hiding it from the front page, that's censorship.

I'm defending that it's yet to be determined whether or not it is a hoax, and declaring it one prematurely, hiding it from the front page, that's censorship.

Sooo, are you often in the other subs which censor like crazy, crying about censorship there as well, or only here, one of the last few subs that rarely censors?

Nevermind... I already know the answer to that question. Your blazing agenda is quite apparent all throughout this thread.

The desperation with which you push your agenda is cracking me up to no end.

Let me know when some of those other subs remove posts because they're too popular.

Until then, look at your own blazing agenda.

I'd argue that a janitor is just censoring peoples carelessness from my eyes.

How do you know the upvote pattern was "highly unusual?" Did you measure it at set intervals and compare it to other breaking news stories that have been posted to /r/conspiracy and received a lot of attention, like the post alleging that Hillary Clinton's IT guy made posts in an support subreddit about modifying emails?

I watched THAT post and it followed very similar voting patterns. That Clinton post is the top post of this subreddit of all time and also has three times more upvotes than the removed Trump post.

Don't bother replying to them, they are looking for arguments and ignoring your clear and sensible point.

Something is going on. Removing that fake news from Buzzfeed is not part of it. All the commenters that quite suddenly started supporting that kind of propaganda are it.

Lets not forget the active users peaked at a little above 7k, now its a bit more normal at 2k

If critical thinkers are gonna make up less than 5% of the crap that wanders in from /all they can all fuck off.

We don't need this sub to turn into Facebook and isolate those who may have been valuable to our search for truth.

It's like going from a classroom setting to 5k people standing in a stadium shouting at one another strangling all the strawmen in sight.

Has any other thread from conspiracy ever hit the front page? Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall any.

And I maybe biased because I support Trump but shit is ramping up.

Plenty have, go look at highest of the month, anything over 3000 is front page worthy.

You've been corrected man. I don't even sub, but I come and comment when it shows up on /r/all.

the mods have censored the post from the front page of /r/conspiracy now.

Yeah I guess you're right. I haven't visited /r/conspiracy in a long time. Like around a year ago nothing on the front of /r/conspiracy ever made it to the front page. But times have changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

This is a second account after my last one got compromised by my fantasy football league.

Rule 6. Removed.

Tsk, while people are going around saying Shills as well?

Priorities man. Why did you guys remove the post from today, and why is this sub now allowing posts with no conspiratorial content but trump support?

We're working on it. There's a lot we have to clean up after. Make sure you report all of the rule violations you see. Otherwise it's unlikely any mod will ever see them.

Oh I'm sure the mods will continue to stick up for people who come to the sub and attack us.

Don't engage. That mod is compromised, I have 100% confirmation. Admitted it in a pm that a trusted source got a screen shot and forwarded.

He literally said that bots and shills can do whatever they want, but anyone questioning them will be banned. And claimed that he doesn't have to follow the rules, but he gets to make them up.

Rule 10. Removed. 1st warning.

You're so right man. This sub has turned into nothing but a wing for r/the_dunce. Mods here are clearly helping push this pro-trump narrative and it's a shame. There should be no bias when searching for truth.

numerous times.

and the same claims get made every single time.

The top post of all time on this subreddit is the post about Hillary Clinton's IT guy asking a support subreddit how to modify to: from: headers in archived emails. That post is also very similar to this one because it was a breaking news event.

it was linked from other subs. That's brigaded.

Moreover, subreddits can easily opt out of appearing in /r/all with the click of a button. Then, it would be much more uncommon for dissenting viewpoints "outsiders" to comment. It would also make upvote brigades much more apparent.

Why, if this appears to be the aim of the moderators , to keep /r/conspiracy a "safe space," does the subreddit still appear in /r/all?

What regular here would upvote that fucking thread in the first place? Let alone all in one hour before it hit r/all

Yes, a smarter Reddit would weight votes by participation. The more you read/participate in a subreddit, the more knowledgeable you are about the subject, ipso facto the more weight to your vote. Outsiders certainly get A vote, and all outsider votes are tallied and visible for all to see. So, Total Score = Participant Score + Outsider Score. We as readers can determine how much of the conversation is coming from Knowledgeable vs Non-knowledgable/Outsider sources/info.

My two cents.

Still open to manipulation by vote brigading.

Would you want to have that noisy buzz thread votes being applied to those accounts?

Secondly it creates an opening for the Appeal to Authority/Bandwagon logical fallacies. Using and referring to those scores as a means of trying to add weight to their argument. That would be acceptable to blow ins but not so much to people, like myself, that weigh the value of a post on its merits (don't shoot the messenger, disregard propaganda/false narratives and don't participate in the special olympics [internet arguments] ).

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Yeah, it's by no means perfect. I'd love to hear your constructive ideas of how to address said problems.

Maybe one that's actually interested in credible fucking conspiracies?

I shudder to think what you lot would've made of Watergate.

Read for yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/locc . Add it to the list and lets keep digging for greater truths, huh? Never has this sub reacted to a buzzfeed the way it did last night. We know our community, what happened last night wasn't genuine

Would have. At the time. From where I'm standing it looks like you'd have been Nixon worshippers calling Woodward and Bernstein purveyors of fake news.

And yeah I'm sure you do know your community. I'm very interested in conspiracy theories and haven't posted here in at least a year because this place became a hive of useful idiots and Alex Jones cultists. I came back to post about this because it is fucking fascinating real conspiracy shit, not pizza rubbish, and it is absurd how you are dismissing it.

I came back to post about this because it is fucking fascinating real conspiracy shit, not pizza rubbish, and it is absurd how you are dismissing it.

You should get into stand-up comedy... You have quite a knack for telling absurd pre-prepared stories while people laugh at you.

Do you have any idea how many people look at this sub from the outside and laugh at you? I genuinely don't give a shit what you think but that's a bizarre line of attack.

I think everything you've said is a bizarre line of bullshit. You're vomiting up the same cookie-cutter talking points that all of the other brigaders do with so little variation its hilarious.
The transparency of it is sooo entertaining.

It was brigaded. A Buzzfeed article pushing the US government's Anti-Russia narrative would have never been organically upvoted here.

It was a blatant brigade. Hell, it should be obvious because it was basically an /r/politics thread that was full of cirlcejerking against this sub. Half the posts in that thread were from the usual suspects from /r/politics and /r/enoughtrumpspam

The mods censored, which screams conspiracy to me.

They've taken sides, this is so awkward.

The mods censored it because it was an /r/politics brigade.

An article pushing the US government anti-Russia narrative would never be upvoted here without significant vote manipulation.

Couldn't possibly, eh?

If you are familiar with the userbase of this subreddit, then yes, you would know that article was never doing anything here without a massive brigade.

Obviously. There's too much vote manipulation pushing the Russian government anti-US narrative.

go back to /r/politics

Who will post when they're dead

That got dark fast

How do you think it got on /all in the first place genius

same here. Long time subscriber here. That thread was a nuisance.

Can anyo e tell if we got an influx of subscribers around the ti.e of the posg?

those errors are weak.

lmao, it was a hoax.

ctr btfo again.

It was brigade as well.

This entire thread is devoted to conspiracy theories and they removed it because there "wasn't enough evidence." Literally nothing submitted here has concrete evidence. It's just pure Republican boot licking by the mods, they're about to control ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT and this sub is banning anything critical of Republicans.

As I long time active user of this sub, I can tell you that trying to paint us as partisan will simply backfire. While there may be an upwelling of support for a candidate who ran on an anti corruption platform, to say that we don't call out the right for their conspiracies is preposterous.

I can tell you that trying to paint us as partisan will simply backfire

I'm not trying to paint you as anything, just telling the truth. There's no agenda I'm just calling a spade a spade, you guys worship Trump. He's also the most corrupt candidate ever, get over it.

How can you say most corrupt ever when he ran against Hillary Clinton? I don't worship the man,but come on the bar was set pretty low

Hillary Clinton corrupt? She has completely open finances, released her last 30 years of tax returns and her charity has an A+ rating from Charity Navigator and every major charity rating website. I don't think corrupt means what you think it means.

There is evidence (strong evidence) she was taking money through said charity, in exchange for favors given through the state department. If this is in any way true, that she was selling favors to enemies of the united states through the use of a fake charity, I would call that pretty fucking corrupt. Also, I think if you read some of the accounts of how the CF handled their charity work in Haiti, you might call that corrupt as well. She is a career politician. You can try to turn this into an "us vs. them" kind of discussion, but honestly at this point, finding a non corrupt career politician is getting pretty damn difficult. Here are the CF's tax filings for 2014/2015 showing they gave less than 5.7 percent of money donated on actual charity. Large swaths of that money goes to paying Clinton Family member's salaries, and I even hear Chelsea's wedding costs. http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2014/311/580/2014-311580204-0c3ee98d-9.pdf

she was taking money through said charity

You mean the charity with open finances and an A+ rating from charity navigator? You're a fool...

Here are the CF's tax filings for 2014/2015 showing they gave less than 5.7 percent of money donated on actual charity.

You're an idiot who's falling for fake news.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

Program Expenses (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs and services it delivers) 86.9% Administrative Expenses 8.7% Fundraising Expenses 4.2% Fundraising Efficiency $0.03 Working Capital Ratio (years) 1.17 Program Expenses Growth 17.3% Liabilities to Assets 15.3%

we agree to disagree. I am an idiot huh? IRS tax forms are fake news now too? Hillary lost because the american public couldn't bring themselves to vote for such a corrupt politician. You actually want to argue that she is an impressive person, worthy of our respect? Please tell me why you find HRC to be a person worthy of your defense. Pleasure having this discussion with you

I thoroughly debunk your absurd lies, and the only thing you can say is "we agree to disagree." I just provided conclusive proof your claims are false, why not just change your opinion? Or is that far too much to ask for from a Trumpet cult member?

Ok I change my opinion. Hillary Clinton is an angel and I was wrong to ever doubt her

Good boy.

wow your post history is toxic. You spend all your time on the internet telling other people they are idiots. I am not wasting another second having a conversation with you

LMAO, your malicious lies get debunked thoroughly and the only out you can come up with is that you're too triggered by my post history to continue. Hilarious.

That WAS a hoax. It's been admitted.

No it hasn't at all. That's misinformation, it's out there, and claims haven't been all debunked yet.

"and claims haven't been all debunked yet". What the hell does that even mean? English your first language? That story was bullshit.

/r/undeleted does that. Top post there right now.

There are groups with massive resources attempting to manipulate social media.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5mr52m/breaking_i_have_uncovered_and_compiled_evidence/

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wtf, who

enfrozt List now says 3 days ago. Here is the list

What's weird is he was a mod in the past, but then wasn't for awhile til recently? His 3 yr old post about doing the CSS for this sub:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1jilre/new_design_for_rconspiracy/

Not sure. I haven't noticed most of the mods here other than Flypaper and 9000sins.

well there you go then mystery solved. thx

How do we get rid of him?

Hey, I have no idea if he did anything. Just pointing out the timing.

enfrozt (1300) 3 days ago

We need a public comment from trusted mods, about the newest mod that was added. Why they were added, by who, and generally for what purpose. I'm not accusing /u/enfrozt of anything, just that given the times and circumstances, things need to be looked at closely. A flood of new mods is pretty much how other subs have been compromised recently.

Fuck this.. who made you a mod...why now ? recuse yourself. Fuck the CSS...

not a supporter of trump or the_d, but the same thing happened in there before all the pro israel stuff.

mods changed around, then stuff started being censored.

we need open discussion on both sides, no matter what party you side with.

How do mods get added anyway? Who's fault is it when the moderator position, as a whole, gets compromised?

I guess current mods have the power, but not sure if they vote or have a hierarchy.

Indeed. A lot of the gilded comments and comments from suspicious accounts were calling out the moderators. It's obvious that part of their agenda is to install their own censor-friendly moderators over here. /r/conspiracy is the last major uncensored subreddit (over 100k subscribers), which is probably why we're being targeted.

I'm not writing this to claim that moderators should never be criticized. It's highly suspicious, however, when the charge against them is led by accounts coming in from /r/all and /r/EnoughTrumpSpam.

I'm one of those gilded, I'm pissed off people are saying I'm a shill in order to shut down talk about a real conspiracy. I was asking the mods why they labeled this but nothing else, ever, as "unverified".

It's now "hoax", if you were wondering. They shut it down.

Buzzfeed itself admitted that the report was unverified. I support the moderators' decision to label the Buzzfeed article as such.

Of course it's unverified, it's a fucking conspiracy theory.

Everything here is unverified!!

This is insane. Actually conspiratorial.

There's a difference between a conspiracy theory and deliberately false information to support a narrative. This Trump piss stuff is just that.
That being said, I don't support Trump. This pissgate stuff? Obviously bullshit, and no one can confirm or verify any facts?

There's a difference between a conspiracy theory and deliberately false information to support a narrative. This Trump piss stuff is just that.

Right. But those Haarp facilities and Dulce base have more credence. This is ridiculous, false information to support a narrative because you don't agree with it. What proof do you have that the documents are false? What proof do you have that stuff like Haarp is false?

It's unconfirmed in terms of the specific allegations, what is confirmed is that Obama and Trump were both briefed on it.

They also removed the post from the front page.

Good.

Censorship is a good idea?

On /r/conspiracy?

...Jesus fucking Christ man. I have no words.

I support the moderators removing spam, obvious hoaxes, and birgades. That's not censorship; that's being a good janitor.

And they get to define what's an obvious hoax, right? And a brigade, without any evidence?

That's censorship.

no you see, if its negative on trump and they remove it, its fine. but the second /r/politics does anything similar its censorship and a takeover of this reddit by the DNC and shills.

And here you have it folks. Notice how it always comes down to Trump. All the same accounts from the main post getting massively upvoted and bringing the entire discussion down to r/conspiracy becoming r/The_Donald.

Rule 10. Removed. Final warning.

oh no, shook the hornets nest apparently. good to know youre vigilant about rule 10. ill start reporting the shill accusations from now on.

ill start reporting the shill accusations

Good.

Buzzfeed themselves said they spent weeks trying to verify the information and couldn't. It's false info. One of the people they're saying to be there is just someone with the same name. It's all fake.
I don't support Trump. Read my post history, I never have.
There's a very obvious agenda being pushed by this pissgate stuff, and I'm personally glad the moderators were smart enough to remove it.

Are you tired from pushing that agenda?

What agenda am I pushing? Please, tell me. Go through my post history. I am now, and have always been, decidedly anti-trump.

You make it sound like they are doing this all the time. This was OBVIOUS manipulation of our subreddit. Literally no one who frequents this sub thought that thread was organic. It is highly highly unlikely that this user base would have upvoated it in the way necessary to make r/all. I am anti censorship, and while I understand your argument, it is ignoring the giant pink elephant in the room, and that is that this was a blatant manipulation of our sub, with many calls for moderation change, and it mirrors US foreign policy of formenting strife and installing puppets, on a micro Reddit scale.

Look at this guy. What a shill. There should be a special name for these pissgate shills. How about "bed pans"?

The 7 month old account with endless anti-Trump rantings are concerned about the "censorship" here...

Bullshit. You're pissed that your fake narrative was treated appropriately.

It's only 7 months because my fantasy football league figured out who I was.

I'm confused. That timing doesn't really coincide with anything fantasy football related. Not trying to accuse you of anything , but did you start your fantasy football two months early or something?

Is what Silicenously_Sintery saying is wrong though?

Yes. There are entire subs that are currently devoted to this narrative. He can go there to discuss it, if discussing it was his goal.

He is all about making sure it appears at the top of this sub, specifically.

They agree with censorship when it helps their candidate, Donald Trump.

They disagree with censorship when it hurts their candidate, Donald Trump.

They ask for verified sources when a news story is harmful to their candidate, Donald Trump.

They trust anonymous, unverified sources when a news story is helpful to their candidate, Donald Trump.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

whats the weather like in russia

Journalists are claiming the report is unverified, but intelligence agencies taking it seriously - and at least one informant experienced a fatal "heart attack" in Moscow just weeks after McCain and Comey met and the briefing circle widened to the Gang of Eight. As you probably can guess, there's a lot in those 35 pages (forget the piss-play, focus on the treason) that an average Internet sleuth can verify scary-quick.

There're reasons this sub's a joke now, and the folks responding to you are just a shorthand illustration. Thanks for fighting the good fight, though...this place is so overwhelmed with useful idiots and propaganda, I've been avoiding it, but it did cheer me up coming back here after awhile and seeing a voice of reason was upvoted.

When /r/conspiracy is trying to cover it up then you know it's true.

/r/conspiracy is the last major uncensored subreddit

You just deleted a post with 17000 upvotes because it offended your political sensibilities.

I sincerely hope you care as much that the mods did not remove the 6 anti-hillary posts in the top 10 of all time for t_d brigading.

Want to get along with people on this sub? Don't question the_donald and don't question the mods. Remember when Timothy Leary said to think for yourself, question authority... That doesn't apply anymore. Question all you want as long as it doesn't include the_donald or the mods because they aren't working together at all.

no new mods i can definitely get down with. espec after the circus that was CTR/Politics and Wikileaks

when do we start /r/conspiracy2

/r/trueconspiracy

nice

/r/conspiracynews

You people are guano loco

I bitched-slapped a CTR/JIDF troll here and here. Epic victory.

That's not bitch slapping, that's just discussion.

Are you 12 or something? You don't even have a single shred of evidence they're CTR, Christ.

Well I'm not sure, but I did look at his post history. Apart from a few posts in r/Gaming and r/Battlefield he's been shilling in r/politics and he recently started hounding r/conspiracy with the same kind of rants. His motos are things like "the most astonishing thing about the Podesta leaks is they don't reveal any real corruption, any more than what a random congressman would be guilty of (paraphrasing)".

As per your question, yes, I am 12. And I am having fun. Is that a problem?

No problem, it's just pertinent. The word Shill is used to describe someone being paid to promote an idea.

That person isn't being paid. They're not a shill. You didn't bitch slap anyone.

How do you know he's not being paid? Do you know him? Is he sitting in the warehouse in front of you?

AFAIK anyone who repeatedly utters the same nonsensical rants, who suddenly assaults a sub, whose contributions mostly try to demean and demoralize (until he gets bitch slapped) is a shill. We know there are tens of thousands of them. I'm happy to put a little money on this one.

The burden of proof is on you, when you allege.

You have none.

Yes, Mr Attorney General. I will behave.

he bitch slapped them.

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

thats the new norm. anyone who disagrees with the narrative is a shill now. easy way for them to dismiss any actual discussion without responding to it.

You earlier about the current MSM wave of Russophobic propaganda:

interesting that a claimed conspiracy, which now is supposedly true is downvoted in to oblivion here.

Do you understand that we are trying here to deconstruct and refute the official/institutional propaganda, not embrace it? Apparently not. Where were you before you decided to come and enlighten us in here with your opinion?

haha, ive been in this sub for years.

also why is used the words claimed, and supposedly.

not sure where I said I bought in to it as being true? are you denying that this was brought up in the last few months, and that trump himself admitted it as being true? cause those are all facts.

You seem to accept we need Russia to be told the truth about our government. Thus you are praising Vladimir Putin as the most valuable journalistic source in the 21st century. Don't you know Putin is a statist? That he could have told us the truth about 911 a long time ago? Why do you put so much faith in him? The adoration you manifest for a foreign authoritarian leader is disconcerting.

• All the Wikileaks emails were authentic

• In the Podesta emails you can witness Podesta getting hacked through a phishing attack

• Podesta's password was p@ssword

• Hillary's emails were virtually available for anyone to download

And yet you think Putin is responsible for this great gift, of informing the electorate? When a fourteen year-old could have? Is there not one moral person in America, to have done the right thing in your opinion? I guess you prefer listening to the criminals that were thus exposed.

oh I love when people try to make up my thoughts for me and put words in my mouth.

took some time to think up your fan fiction there. not sure how else to say it other than you need better reading comprehension skills if my comment led you to yours now.

but I guess if putin is my idol, ill just agree that they did nothing wrong and move on, instead of forming my own opinion from the evidence presented.

I tried to underline the absurdity of this new line - "Russia did it".

Did what exactly? Tell the truth?

Let's say Putin did it. I personally doubt he'd render us such a service, and you don't, so you have a higher opinion of him than I do, unless you think telling the truth is a bad thing. But let's put that aside.

So what? How does the messenger count, if the truth can be authenticated through a digital signature? What if Kim Jong II produced authentifiable emails proving endemic crimes? Would the criminals be absolved?

What if Putin gave you the authentifiable video of a recognizable and well-known adult abusing a child? Would that adult be able to complain "Putin stole my pedophilia, be angry at him!"? You seem to make that case.

And finally, that line is absurd because if the messenger were to count, those spewing the Russia line are modern civilisation's worst liars and war criminals.

can you link where I claimed "russia did it"

also lets not be dense about this, you know were talking about the DNC hack.

Ill ask again, do you deny that the claims of russia hacking the DNC were not brought up months ago, and also do you deny that trump himself said "As far as hacking, I think it was Russia."?

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5n9nwc/rconspiracy_is_being_targeted_with_a_massive/dcaz00c

Well done. These shills stand no chance around here without a forceful takeover of the mods. If they succeed, it will be readily apparent and we will move elsewhere. They know it, but they don't care. They're after the url real-estate.

Aaaand I'm instantly downvoted by CTR

Look at this shit lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5ndpqb/trump_slams_buzzfeed_as_failing_pile_of_garbage/dcb1oja

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

Start a new "conspiracy" subreddit, and model it after r/worldpolitics. That will fix the problem.

Agreed.

I got downvoted hard for calling shenanigans and asking why fucking Buzzfeed was at the top of this page even caught a couple direct messages calling me a "blinded Trumper" in one case. I don't know why I keep coming back here the election poisoned this sub.

Sadly you're right, it's been poisoned for months. Problem is, T_D did the poisoning. I guess this sub was an easy target for them to move on after the election ended.

At least during the election there was kinda good reason with the content of some emails FBI files and all. But now with this shit and pizzagate I just don't know anymore. But I feel that's the intention of all this dumbshit.

It was at the top because the document wasn't buzzfeed, but instead confirmed by McCain as an intelligence briefing that was given to both Obama and Trump.

It's a massive conspiracy, if you read into it, with correlating evidences you can see in the /r/politics megathread, or the main post itself that the mods of /r/conspiracy removed from the front page.

Anyone that frequents /r/conspiracy knows not to trust anything from McCain.

Bingo

So censor it before any investigation?

Is that what you suggest??

protect the sub? wtf do conspiracy theorists need protection from? possible false info? LMAO

Is that what I said? Cause it seems you're trying to steer this towards an argument you're prepared for.

One new mod in a year and there is 'an obvious attempt to take control of this sub'???

Ah...I'm gonna need a wee bit more than ONE new mod and ONE controversial story getting buried to believe there is a takeover happening.

How many hugely upvotes posts will get removed, before you believe? Three? Is that the point where you go "ahhhh MAYBE there's censorship."

How many obvious pro-Donald posts with 0 conspiracy theory reference need to be on the front page?

This sub has the absolute least moderation I've known on Reddit. If you want to prove it's being taken over then provide proof. Asking questions about what proof is required is simply avoiding you supporting your statement.

By the way, there is censorship everywhere, including Reddit and including this sub. You posted about taking control of this sub.

Cry more

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, IT'S BECOMING POLITICALLY NEUTRAL

Rule 6. No shouting. Removed.

fine. OP probably saw it anyway

Hey guys. Uhh as you can see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1jilre/new_design_for_rconspiracy/ I was a mod here a while back, for a few years, I worked with sins and mr_dong and was at one point position 3-4 on the moderator list. I spent last 2-3 months of 2016 working with mr_dong cleaning up the CSS a bit, which will be implemented on the weekend. It's mostly just subtractions, to make it cleaner, not much change, and any concerns or suggestions can be added, but we can talk about that in a few days.

Um, can you sticky this or something man? It seems really important. It's bizarre watching comments above you go "yea, it's so weird... It's like he was here three years ago..." "yea, seems fishy." "I agree..."

Why did you guys remove a post from the front page?

Seriously, we've had 0 word.

Did it get removed? I just opened it up and it had 60% upvote ratio, meaning it probably gets sent to the controversial tab and no appear on the front page. For the time it was on the frontpage, I believe it was up near 80%.

Mods should definitely explain that flair though. We should either have no editorial control via the flairs... or all of the frontpage needs it. It needs to be a consistent policy.

The tag was a quote from the article itself. It's not like the mods inserted their opinion that it was "unverifiable allegations" and they even put quotes in the flair to make it clear it was a quote from the article. The article also stated that in their opinion, there is reason to seriously doubt the allegations.

Have you never seen the mods add a tag to a post to make the title more accurate so that it doesn't come off as clickbait? They even make sure to put accurate years in tags when people post super old articles so there's less people reading only the title and thinking it's new information or an event that just happened.

I seriously feel like I'm taking crazy pills because no one else seems to get this. I don't understand why people keep posting and getting upset that they've never used that specific tag on any other article. They've never used it because it's a quote, not the mods opinion.

At this point it honestly is seeming like some kind of big joke. It's so blatantly obvious they added a quote from the article as the tag that I'm having a hard time believing everyone who is bringing this up actually believes this is somehow a problem.

The tag was a quote from the article itself. It's not like the mods inserted their opinion that it was "unverifiable allegations" and they even put quotes in the flair to make it clear it was a quote from the article.

They then changed it to "4chan hoax/raid" then the thread disappeared from the front page entirely. You don't think that's a bit strange?

I assume it got moved automatically into the controversial tab (reddit, not the mods) due to the very low ratio of up-votes. Like Trump's AMA got.

I assume it got moved automatically into the controversial tab (reddit, not the mods) due to the very low ratio of up-votes. Like Trump's AMA got.

Nope. It wouldn't show up on r/undelete then

Got a link? I didn't see it there.

I dont know how to link to the undelete threads comments on mobile, it just keeps giving me the link I posted above. It's on the second or third page of undelete if you still wanted to look

Found it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/5nby2o/16168713729_reports_allege_trump_has_deep_ties_to/

I don't think that sub does what you think it does. It saw the thread go from #16 to out of the top #100, which is consistent with it suddenly dropping out due to its ratio falling from ~80% to ~60%. From what I can see, the link has remained active for the entire duration.

Maybe I'm wrong though, and mods somehow removed it from /r/conspiracy frontpage and excluded it from /r/all. I may not be aware of those kind of features.

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See that's where I'm confused though, the post link is still active but trying to find it through the subreddit and even subreddit search brings up no results for the thread.

I'm also confused because the automod for undelete states the tag then says this is why the thread was deleted. But if it wasn't deleted why is it showing up on undelete?

Honestly, the mods need to give an answer for this and this sub isn't helping by circlejerking over non existent shills and ctr instead of discussing why the thread disappeared

I found both threads via search, and they were in the controversial tab organically, as I recall. Reddit relegates threads with close to 50 or 60% upvote ratio to that tab.

I found both threads via search, and they were in the controversial tab organically (reddit algo, not mod removal, I believe), as I recall. Reddit relegates threads with close to 50 or 60% upvote ratio to that tab. That policy has even sent big threads off sub's front pages and dropped them from /r/all. The most notable to me was the Trump AMA.

Wow. So I actually never knew that if I'm being honest here

I think you stopped reading half way through my comment. I can come up with some reasons why they would do it, but they need to do it consistently or not at all... especially on the really big threads. In this particular case, I think they need to explain why this thread in particular required it.

I would prefer no flairing if the occasional flairing is intending to influence peoples' opinion before reading the content (which you have to admit most people don't).

I think you stopped reading half way through my comment.

No.. I didn't just stop reading your comment half way through because I'm not an asshole. Thanks for being insulting though for no reason.

I can come up with some reasons why they would do it, but they need to do it consistently or not at all... especially on the really big or highly suspect threads.

I still don't get this. What posts have they not been consistent about? You're not even allowed to use all caps in your titles here because it comes off as clickbait. If a title is actually misleading and they haven't noticed for some reason, all you have to do is message them. I wouldn't be surprised if someone did message them and tell them the Buzzfeed post had a misleading title.

In this particular case, I think they need to explain why this thread in particular required it.

Have you sent a mod mail and asked? I just don't understand why people are freaking out (most of whom aren't even subscribed here) and acting like it's something sinister. It's far more likely they just didn't want 200 people posting "it says it's unconfirmed guys!" and not having an actual discussion about the material.

The only reason that tag is even getting so much attention anyway is cause the post was linked in subs whose users routinely come here to call us delusional nutjobs. Now all of a sudden, those same people are concerned that an accurate, verbatim tag was added to a post? Most of the people bitching about it are only bitching about it because it's another super fun way to make fun of the conspiracy theorists.

I would prefer no flairing if the occasional flairing is intending to influence peoples' opinion before reading the content (which you have to admit most people don't).

How is making sure that the title of a post accurately reflects the article influencing anyone's opinion? Even the tag itself was fact, not opinion. Making sure everyone sees the facts even if they don't read the article is a good thing! Yet somehow people are turning it into a bad thing because the post was about Trump, and I guess when it comes to him, who cares about making sure everyone knows the facts, right?

You seriously would rather they not flair anything because they tagged a post with an actual quote from the post itself? It just doesn't make any sense at all to me that you'd rather have inaccurate, misleading, sensational and even straight up fake titles just because every now and then people use shitty titles and the mods tag it so it's more accurate.

How is anyone's opinion being influenced before they read the article when the quote from the tag is right in the beginning of the article? Why would it be better to have people who only read the title make uninformed comments?

Also: I don't blame them even a little for deleting the post. It had obvious vote manipulation and was heavily brigaded due to the post being linked in subs whose users only come here to make fun of this community and insult us.

I'd feel differently about the removal if there was any actual, genuine discussion about the article in that thread. There wasn't. It was 90% people who don't come here, and some who never had before, calling us all donald2.0 and Russian bots. All while trying to get the actual users here to turn against the mods because they tagged a very suspicious and fishy post with accurate and important information.

They would have been saying the same shit if the post was about Hillary or Obama and didn't have that tag. "Fucking hypocrites, of course they'd use that tag since it's about Trump!" - "Fucking hypocrites, of course they'd leave out that it's "unverified allegations" since it's about Hillary!" Either way, they get to feel superior and insult all of us. Very convenient.

It was also dozens of people being gilded for insulting the mods and this community because we didn't automatically believe it. They only got more upvotes and more gold for saying it was because it was anti-trump and against our "narrative" instead of the actual reason, which was the article itself and multiple other news outlets stating that the information couldn't be verified, had a lot of errors and should be viewed with suspicion.

Apparently we're just a bunch of idiots for realizing that if our government had this information for quite a while before election day, thought that any of it was true and that there was any evidence, no matter how minute, they would absolutely have not waited until after he was elected to bring this shit up.

If various mainstream news outlets wouldn't report something so damning about Trump of all people, that probably means it's total horseshit. And because of that, it wouldn't have ever received that many upvotes here, especially at the speed it was happening, if the people who hate Trump didn't completely flood this sub just so they could point, laugh and circlejerk over how superior and smart they are for hating him. We're constantly shit on for believing stuff that they think doesn't have enough evidence but it's totally okay for them to believe this shit when even the msm doesn't think there's enough evidence?

Really, this whole thing is remarkably fucking stupid. The only reason I'm actually really uneasy about this shit is because it's disturbing and scary that huge amounts of people are acting completely fucking nuts. I'm actually genuinely upset that my peers are believing everything our government is telling them.

I'm watching more and more people talk about Russia as if they're our enemy and always have been (1984 much?) I'm watching 20-30 year old liberals completely accept everything our intelligence agencies are saying with literally 0 proof but their word and it's god damn sad and scary at the same time.

The way all of the highly upvoted/gilded people were acting in that thread just made it even more obvious.

Anyway, didn't mean for this to be so long. I just don't see a problem with how it was handled, cause either way the post would've been brigaded and if they didn't add a tag, we still would have been insulted for not believing the allegations either way. I've been here for a really long time and I've honestly never seen them being blatantly inconsistent with stuff like this.

/r/wikileaks and /r/whereisassange

If you dont believe

Not only that, but who's to say after years of inactivity that this account wasn't compromised or bought?

This is honestly what I think happened, it sounds way too convenient.

Hey, you should probably sticky this comment so everyone can see it.

did someone on the mod team recently change the mobile config? it used to have an orange header bar, now it seems to be a default/generic blue. t'was nice to have a visual difference.

This happened to me too. First time I just scrolled straight past it because I was looking for orange.

Not sure, when the new changes roll out on the weekend, feel free to give us some input and we can make it more to your and everyone else's liking.

On the sidebar, plz consider adding a link that a mod updates daily (or somehow "regularly", maybe weekly) to point to an open thread that has a meta discussion wiki & is meant to allow comments linking to low-traffick posts that hit a good "TIL for weirdos" note, or other chatter. A coffe shop vibe, or fora or commons, is my suggestion. As sidebar link, if systems are calm, it won't get to highest levels of the front page. But yesterday after whizfest on buzzfeed, it likely would have had mad.furious traffick.

An idea!

This is a great idea, and speaking of... r/WayoftheBern has also recently started a collection of sidebar highlighted posts as chosen by the mods to help new people get a grasp of the sub that might not be apparent during the shifting tides of front page invasions (Newbies declaring, "This place never used to..." when they have no idea).

But we are having a witch hunt here! Burn him!

Maybe one of the older mods should be appointed "mod overseer" or something? Like, their sole job now is to moderate the moderators to make sure they don't pull crap like this.

Watch the number of current users. Much more than 2k at one time indicates a brigade.

/r/politics has been brigading heavily as of late. Not just here but almost every sub with a chance to reach the front page. Nothing but anti-Trump spam.

I don't think that's it at all. I think most of Reddit doesn't like trump, and it reflects from the people browsing /r/all. We saw how vigorous that post rose, comments as well. There's no botting there, no more than in the massive Donald trump posts that skyrocket in the_donald.

Fuck off shill. People have explained to you so many times on this sub what happened. Very clearly too, you ignore it and continue arguing. Just look at your recent post history ffs.

You are clearly not a regular here or and will never visit this sub again, you are just looking for arguments. Why not fuck off to new sub you tried to get going yesterday since this one is so bad?

Holy fuck are you little trumpkins touchy.

Congrats! Now you fascist babydicks have 2 safespace subreddits with no dissenting opinions to coddle each other in.

Getting jerked off by those tiny orange hands must almost make you dicks look normal.

I'm a Jill Stein fan. Keep on shilling.

brilliant. keep saying it , maybe everyone other than your cunty echochamber is a paid shill.

Look at the other guys posts. You may not be, I didn't bother checking because you offered nothing but silly insults. Not worth wasting my time.

Rule 10. Removed.

Rule 10. Removed. Final warning.

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

Fair call. There are a lot of posts out there calling people morons/shilling. I got caught up.

Bullshit. Thats why they had to change the whole website to try and hide the amount of support he has here

Trump has the lowest approval rating of any incoming President since polls have been measuring it (and even if the polls are wrong, you'd still just be comparing them to other wrong polls so the delta still matters)... is it really a shock that there'd be a large anti-Trump presence on a website even without users being paid shills?

Are tgese tge same polls that gave him a 5℅ chance to win.

Fuck polls

Get a grip

even if the polls are wrong, you're still comparing them to other polls conducted on previous Presidents that would have been similarly wrong. the methodology behind conducting them hasn't changed.

Flawed skewed bullshit.. fuck. You would think this past election and the grotesque amount of fake polls from the MSM would be enough

Afraid of actual truth, logic, and common sense will crush of your dreams of paranoia and obsession?

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed. 1st warning.

I would make an exception for mods with long posting histories over, perhaps, a 6-12 month or more period of time. Then we have full information.

This sub is fucked

I have hard evidence that one of the mods actively bans users to protect shill accounts.

Have you posted it anywhere?

Not yet. He's been warned, but my patience is being tested.

Matter of fact, I should mention I have a lot more evidence that just that. Things off of reddit, too. He seems to think that there are no consequences to protecting shills, and that may need to change.

Let's see it

I was about to. Then he stepped down.

Can we see it

We have been compromised. All in favor of migrating say AYE!

This subreddit died and was 'taken over' years ago when the intelligent people left or grew out of using reddit, and the dumb fucks from stormfront and topmindsofreddit took over.

A conspiracy about /r/conspiracy

How...fitting.

Don't you think it's a little late for that? I mean, you guys just had a nearly 20,000 upvote thread deleted because it offended the mods' political sensibilities.

I agree. I got downvoted a bunch when I asked certain questions about Hillary. It seemed bizarre, and the negative responses I got weren't even substantiated. It was all just pushback.

Of course the plan is to get this sub under censored control. Free thinking will be eliminated as more people begin figuring out how fucked most of the world's controlling entities are. The US is definitely near the pinnacle of this bullshit.

I literally just posted a comment to someone that they were gilded for very un conspiracy comments.. And the fact people are being gilded at all is a clear sign that whomever is attempting to take over this sub doesn't understand NO GILDING

Maybe this was one huge 4chan thing to get conspiracy theorists to go meta on themselves

This sub is so obviously infested with trump supporters lmao. A conspiracy breaks out against trump and suddenly the sub is "compromised".

A conspiracy that made the front page from every pro hil/bern liberal knownothing sub..

People here see right through that shit. Obviously bullshit hit peices from liberals should be deleted..

All u liberals do is circlejerk armed with dildos bongs and apple products

Change the rules midway because of fear? That makes You a sheepeople. George Bush 2 played on those types of fears and got everyone to give up freedoms and rights. Curl your yellow tail run child, curl your tail and run.

Perhaps the lesson is that we should do something more engaging than post comments on reddit to elicit change...

And they get to define what's an obvious hoax, right? And a brigade, without any evidence?

That's censorship.

Not sure. I haven't noticed most of the mods here other than Flypaper and 9000sins.

No problem, it's just pertinent. The word Shill is used to describe someone being paid to promote an idea.

That person isn't being paid. They're not a shill. You didn't bitch slap anyone.

How do you know he's not being paid? Do you know him? Is he sitting in the warehouse in front of you?

AFAIK anyone who repeatedly utters the same nonsensical rants, who suddenly assaults a sub, whose contributions mostly try to demean and demoralize (until he gets bitch slapped) is a shill. We know there are tens of thousands of them. I'm happy to put a little money on this one.

Yes, Mr Attorney General. I will behave.

he bitch slapped them.

thats the new norm. anyone who disagrees with the narrative is a shill now. easy way for them to dismiss any actual discussion without responding to it.

well there you go then mystery solved. thx

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.

Would have. At the time. From where I'm standing it looks like you'd have been Nixon worshippers calling Woodward and Bernstein purveyors of fake news.

And yeah I'm sure you do know your community. I'm very interested in conspiracy theories and haven't posted here in at least a year because this place became a hive of useful idiots and Alex Jones cultists. I came back to post about this because it is fucking fascinating real conspiracy shit, not pizza rubbish, and it is absurd how you are dismissing it.

I assume it got moved automatically into the controversial tab (reddit, not the mods) due to the very low ratio of up-votes. Like Trump's AMA got.

Look at this guy. What a shill. There should be a special name for these pissgate shills. How about "bed pans"?