To clarify: most of it comes from a hoax known as the Taxil Hoax, which made up lots of claims whole-cloth in an effort to gain press and bait the Catholic Church. Taxil later admitted that it was all made up, but the damage was done.
I was 3rd Degree Freemason and 32 degree scottish rite. I quit because I became an atheist and in good conscience not stay. It requires you have a higher power belief. Most Brothers I know are very agnostic but do enjoy the esoteric side but most really enjoy the fellowship and camaraderie
If Jordan Maxwell is to be believed Saturn is Satan. Its just a perverted pronunciation. Words change over time thanks to dialect and accent. Murder used to murther, but obviously English people probably pronounced it as murter ( the name Thomas is a clue on this, also the river Thames, etc ) and softened the T sound, this murder is now the word.
We do pray multiple times per meeting but when we pray it is to just the general names of Deity. "God" "Grand Architect of the Universe" or "Deity". It is basically our way of praying that allows people of all religions to participate. (rather than praying to Jesus or any other specific religious figure.)
Why don't you answer this though: the top grand masons, who are they? And what agenda do they push for in freemasonry? And what religion do the top of the top practice? Does it start to concentrate to a certain religion the further you go?
Here is a list of every US Grand lodge. These Grand Lodges run Freemasonry in their respective states.
You don't get any "higher" than the state level. You can go to the "Officers" section of each of these pages and see the men who were elected for this year. They are the "top grand masons".
As far as their religion, I would bet most are Christan (because it is the most popular in the US) but you are more than welcome to ask them. :)
"Sources" claim all kind of things. Why is it our responsibility to prove/explain anything? (which is impossible to do when someone is convinced of their own "truth")
"Conspiracy theory" should be in your title. A conspiracy implies that it is proven already and indeed fact. Conspiracy theories and conspiracies are 2 different things
I'dd say solid advice for anyone venturing into conspiracies: personally define what fact means for you.
Officially, nothing can be concidered fact unless an official (oftentimes) scientific institution claims it so. So what are some of the official claims on topics I've recently seen passed:
Obama's birth certificate is real.
The Holocaust happened.
The Earth is a round ball spinning in space.
Chemtrails don't exist.
Pizzagate is an internet hoax.
Fake News rigging the election is a thing.
The White Helmets are a peacefull, non-armed humanitarian aid group in Syria.
Terrorists did 9/11.
...
I'm not claiming any of these to be truth or false, but if you're looking for what is "officially" concidered fact, all of these should be concidered true.
I hope I've listed enough to illustrate that by definition, a conspiracy theory questions the official narrative. If you believe any of the statements I've listed above to be false, you automatically have to assume that "some powers" took hold of the official narrative to fit their agenda.
As for the actual question u asked:
From what I've read/watched on the subject:
Alot of the illuminati (freemason whatever) symbolism traces back to ancient Egypt/Sumer. Baphomet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet) can be traced back to an Egyptian God, as can many of the "satanistic" rituals be traced back to Egyptian or Sumerian rituals.
I'm a bit lazy trying to find the exact documentaries I've watched (which provided good "evidence" to see the analogies between everything occult and ancient civilizations). So if you want, I can list em here later.
TL:DR;
Be sceptical of even what is concidered "scientific fact". Alot (most) of the occult symbolism and ideology stems from Ancient Egypt/Sumer. They don't worship Satan, as in the all-evil being we know from the bible, I'm not even sure they believe God/Satan exist, but rather good/evil in an eternal balance.
I've known two freemasons in my life. My father (who died some time ago) and a close family friend. I was told by both that masons must believe in some kind of God. My father was a mild Christian and my family friend is a devout Catholic. Any talk you hear about Freemasons worshipping satan or satanic symbols is completely false as far as I understand. Anything they believe in is of this world and all the symbols and mysticism is related to their culture and history. There is no "power" in the symbols themselves.
Interesting. Didn't know that one. I can only say that not all Christians/Catholics do what the Pope says. I can confirm my friend is a mason and I can confirm he's a practicing Catholic. Beyond that I don't have an explanation.
I do not have the information to answer your question, but I want to bring up something about your post.
"Is it a conspiracy that freemasons worship satan, or is it a fact?"
Conspiracy or fact?
The verbal dichotomy you've established implies that factuality and allegations of conspiracy are mutually exclusive. You're using the word conspiracy as a synonym for fantasy. That is not what the word means.
From the sidebar: Conspiracy—A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
A conspiracy may be real or it may be imagined and often researchers cannot verify with 100% certainty which. That is why you often see the word "theory" following "conspiracy". None of this has anything to do with the veracity, truthfulness, reality of whatever is being proposed, that's a whole different qualitative aspect.
One can hardly blame you, though—the term "conspiracy theory" was coined by the FBI as a derogatory, catch-all term for anyone who had doubts/questions about the official narrative surrounding the Kennedy assassination.
Language is instrumental in how we construct our thoughts, relate to the world around us, and bestow meaning.
"You don't need to take drugs to hallucinate; improper language can fill your world with phantoms and spooks of many kinds" Robert A. Wilson
There is a lot of connections between high-level Freemasonry and Luciferian worship, due to Lucifer's symbolization of truth, knowledge, "light", and giving humanity a gift at his own expense. Lucifer is not directly connected to Satan, and the idea of Satan itself is a relatively new construct so I would look further back to Saturn, Baal, Beelzebub worship (especially in Caananite, Roman, Khazarian contexts). Freemasonry itself has a lot of carefully constructed "myths and allegories" which seem very innocent at first (ie. Hiram Abiff) but have implications against the beliefs of Christianity for example. At the higher levels, "keys" can be revealed which show how there is another way to interpret the story, or additional information/allegory to be revealed, sometimes revealing a more controversial truth underneath.
This is something common in how most secret societies operate. They keep making ever-changing promises, making you more committed and locked in to the whole charade, and then revealing that details they drew you in with were not the entire truth.
This is what keeps me most skeptical about the high levels. Freemasonry and Catholicism had a large schism for quite some time, and I would consider the Catholic 9th circle to be much more sinister, but most of these organizations are just varying styles of Kabaalistic power-seekers who choose varying shades of good/bad to follow. Freemasonry itself isn't inherently evil, but it is part of a dangerous sort of game that can promise big rewards with evil deeds (right vs. left hand path sort of stuff).
TL;DR it's more about worshipping Lucifer, who is not as bad of a dude as satan per-se, and at the high levels is quite incompatible with some religions, but involves a fair amount of choice based on the individual's choices.
If Jordan Maxwell is to be believed Saturn is Satan. Its just a perverted pronunciation. Words change over time thanks to dialect and accent. Murder used to murther, but obviously English people probably pronounced it as murter ( the name Thomas is a clue on this, also the river Thames, etc ) and softened the T sound, this murder is now the word.
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n/a Dumbfoundde4d 2017-01-12
It's fake. Without a doubt, 100% fake.
The Freemasons don't collectively worship any specific God and certainly not Satan.
n/a Tyler_Zoro 2017-01-12
To clarify: most of it comes from a hoax known as the Taxil Hoax, which made up lots of claims whole-cloth in an effort to gain press and bait the Catholic Church. Taxil later admitted that it was all made up, but the damage was done.
Later hoaxes layered on top of the Taxil Hoax (such as the Albert Pike WWIII letter hoax, which continues to be re-posted to /r/conspiracy every month or so).
n/a thatlostshakerofsalt 2017-01-12
It's a conspiracy and its a fact even if they'd rather not call him Satan.
n/a therodt 2017-01-12
former freemason and no they dont worship satan
n/a NotWhatYouThink89 2017-01-12
What degree and why'd you leave?
n/a therodt 2017-01-12
I was 3rd Degree Freemason and 32 degree scottish rite. I quit because I became an atheist and in good conscience not stay. It requires you have a higher power belief. Most Brothers I know are very agnostic but do enjoy the esoteric side but most really enjoy the fellowship and camaraderie
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-12
I too am curious why you would quit.
n/a therodt 2017-01-12
above
n/a Homer_Simpson_Doh 2017-01-12
But they do worship Saturn though.
n/a Sapperskrall 2017-01-12
If Jordan Maxwell is to be believed Saturn is Satan. Its just a perverted pronunciation. Words change over time thanks to dialect and accent. Murder used to murther, but obviously English people probably pronounced it as murter ( the name Thomas is a clue on this, also the river Thames, etc ) and softened the T sound, this murder is now the word.
n/a Synonymous_joe 2017-01-12
What do they claim to worship? Because i know they pray to open and close free-mason meetings. Or do they claim they worship all religions??
n/a Dumbfoundde4d 2017-01-12
We do pray multiple times per meeting but when we pray it is to just the general names of Deity. "God" "Grand Architect of the Universe" or "Deity". It is basically our way of praying that allows people of all religions to participate. (rather than praying to Jesus or any other specific religious figure.)
Might as well be praying to "insert name here".
n/a Synonymous_joe 2017-01-12
Figures. Sounds like Alcoholics Anonymous
n/a Synonymous_joe 2017-01-12
Why don't you answer this though: the top grand masons, who are they? And what agenda do they push for in freemasonry? And what religion do the top of the top practice? Does it start to concentrate to a certain religion the further you go?
n/a Dumbfoundde4d 2017-01-12
Here is a list of every US Grand lodge. These Grand Lodges run Freemasonry in their respective states.
You don't get any "higher" than the state level. You can go to the "Officers" section of each of these pages and see the men who were elected for this year. They are the "top grand masons".
As far as their religion, I would bet most are Christan (because it is the most popular in the US) but you are more than welcome to ask them. :)
n/a cumpkins 2017-01-12
You know this is Satan, right?
n/a Synonymous_joe 2017-01-12
Well sources claim that grand lodges promote lucifer as their god. So why don't you x-freemasons explain that shit.
n/a Dumbfoundde4d 2017-01-12
"Sources" claim all kind of things. Why is it our responsibility to prove/explain anything? (which is impossible to do when someone is convinced of their own "truth")
n/a PlayStationVRShill 2017-01-12
Satan worship is MOSTLY a myth.
Just a scare tactic.
Anytime you hear it.
There are a FEW sects of actual "Satan" worshippers, but there a sliver of a sliver of the populace. Le vey satanism is not devil worship.
n/a atrizzz82 2017-01-12
"Conspiracy theory" should be in your title. A conspiracy implies that it is proven already and indeed fact. Conspiracy theories and conspiracies are 2 different things
n/a Vechthaan 2017-01-12
I'dd say solid advice for anyone venturing into conspiracies: personally define what fact means for you.
Officially, nothing can be concidered fact unless an official (oftentimes) scientific institution claims it so. So what are some of the official claims on topics I've recently seen passed:
I'm not claiming any of these to be truth or false, but if you're looking for what is "officially" concidered fact, all of these should be concidered true.
I hope I've listed enough to illustrate that by definition, a conspiracy theory questions the official narrative. If you believe any of the statements I've listed above to be false, you automatically have to assume that "some powers" took hold of the official narrative to fit their agenda.
As for the actual question u asked:
From what I've read/watched on the subject:
Alot of the illuminati (freemason whatever) symbolism traces back to ancient Egypt/Sumer. Baphomet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet) can be traced back to an Egyptian God, as can many of the "satanistic" rituals be traced back to Egyptian or Sumerian rituals.
I'm a bit lazy trying to find the exact documentaries I've watched (which provided good "evidence" to see the analogies between everything occult and ancient civilizations). So if you want, I can list em here later.
TL:DR;
Be sceptical of even what is concidered "scientific fact". Alot (most) of the occult symbolism and ideology stems from Ancient Egypt/Sumer. They don't worship Satan, as in the all-evil being we know from the bible, I'm not even sure they believe God/Satan exist, but rather good/evil in an eternal balance.
n/a load_PROG_8_1 2017-01-12
I've known two freemasons in my life. My father (who died some time ago) and a close family friend. I was told by both that masons must believe in some kind of God. My father was a mild Christian and my family friend is a devout Catholic. Any talk you hear about Freemasons worshipping satan or satanic symbols is completely false as far as I understand. Anything they believe in is of this world and all the symbols and mysticism is related to their culture and history. There is no "power" in the symbols themselves.
n/a redditeditard 2017-01-12
If you friend was a devout Catholic, he wouldn't have joined Freemasonry. It's against their dogma?
n/a load_PROG_8_1 2017-01-12
According to him, no. The freemasons do not interfere with religious practice or require you to accept an authority above God.
Why do you think it's against their dogma?
n/a redditeditard 2017-01-12
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry
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n/a load_PROG_8_1 2017-01-12
Interesting. Didn't know that one. I can only say that not all Christians/Catholics do what the Pope says. I can confirm my friend is a mason and I can confirm he's a practicing Catholic. Beyond that I don't have an explanation.
n/a redditeditard 2017-01-12
Usually men join the Knights of Columbus instead.
n/a fordosan 2017-01-12
I do not have the information to answer your question, but I want to bring up something about your post.
"Is it a conspiracy that freemasons worship satan, or is it a fact?"
Conspiracy or fact?
The verbal dichotomy you've established implies that factuality and allegations of conspiracy are mutually exclusive. You're using the word conspiracy as a synonym for fantasy. That is not what the word means.
From the sidebar: Conspiracy—A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
A conspiracy may be real or it may be imagined and often researchers cannot verify with 100% certainty which. That is why you often see the word "theory" following "conspiracy". None of this has anything to do with the veracity, truthfulness, reality of whatever is being proposed, that's a whole different qualitative aspect.
One can hardly blame you, though—the term "conspiracy theory" was coined by the FBI as a derogatory, catch-all term for anyone who had doubts/questions about the official narrative surrounding the Kennedy assassination.
Language is instrumental in how we construct our thoughts, relate to the world around us, and bestow meaning.
"You don't need to take drugs to hallucinate; improper language can fill your world with phantoms and spooks of many kinds" Robert A. Wilson
n/a klondike1412 2017-01-12
There is a lot of connections between high-level Freemasonry and Luciferian worship, due to Lucifer's symbolization of truth, knowledge, "light", and giving humanity a gift at his own expense. Lucifer is not directly connected to Satan, and the idea of Satan itself is a relatively new construct so I would look further back to Saturn, Baal, Beelzebub worship (especially in Caananite, Roman, Khazarian contexts). Freemasonry itself has a lot of carefully constructed "myths and allegories" which seem very innocent at first (ie. Hiram Abiff) but have implications against the beliefs of Christianity for example. At the higher levels, "keys" can be revealed which show how there is another way to interpret the story, or additional information/allegory to be revealed, sometimes revealing a more controversial truth underneath.
This is something common in how most secret societies operate. They keep making ever-changing promises, making you more committed and locked in to the whole charade, and then revealing that details they drew you in with were not the entire truth.
This is what keeps me most skeptical about the high levels. Freemasonry and Catholicism had a large schism for quite some time, and I would consider the Catholic 9th circle to be much more sinister, but most of these organizations are just varying styles of Kabaalistic power-seekers who choose varying shades of good/bad to follow. Freemasonry itself isn't inherently evil, but it is part of a dangerous sort of game that can promise big rewards with evil deeds (right vs. left hand path sort of stuff).
TL;DR it's more about worshipping Lucifer, who is not as bad of a dude as satan per-se, and at the high levels is quite incompatible with some religions, but involves a fair amount of choice based on the individual's choices.
n/a smokahontas619 2017-01-12
Yes.
n/a 5arge 2017-01-12
Lucien, not Satan.
n/a Sapperskrall 2017-01-12
If Jordan Maxwell is to be believed Saturn is Satan. Its just a perverted pronunciation. Words change over time thanks to dialect and accent. Murder used to murther, but obviously English people probably pronounced it as murter ( the name Thomas is a clue on this, also the river Thames, etc ) and softened the T sound, this murder is now the word.