This should be front page news.

No because it's actual satire, so not front page news, unless you mean the onion.

So 2 minutemen stop 2 CIA drug runners, and they just blurt out their plans to these guys? Lol.

It was a group of Minutemen, and they didn't really blurt out there plan, they just provided ID that said they were CIA agents in an attempt to have the minute men let them go.

If true, that is crazy.

Isn't it a no no, to even tell people you work for the CIA?

Better to blow your cover to a couple of patriots than get someone massacred by cartel for disappearing with cartel assets.

True that boss

The cartel wouldn't dare kill two CIA agents over a shipment. Losing 10 million is a small price to pay to have the most powerful organization in the world on your team.

Plus killing Americans any American is bad for business now times that by infinite and that is how bad killing a CIA agent would be

I don't think the Company is as loyal to its officers as you think it is. Disavowal is a real thing.

With the amount of 3 letter involvement in Mexico there should be numerous fatalities with those three letters. There isnt. Why? Because all cartels know killings Americans especially CIA, FBI, is bad for business. Also the Narco pulling the trigger would most likely have signed his own death certificate.

It's just the way things work down south

Didn't they kill a CBP agent with one of the Obama rifles? Whatever happened with that, if anything?

Look what happened in the 80s when they killed a dea agent. Very bad for business.

But how would they know not to kill them if they didn't know they were CIA agents?

He said it's better to admit you work for the CIA than be killed, and you're saying that they wouldn't be killed because they work for the CIA. But the Minute Men would have to know they work for the CIA to know not to kill them.

what.... I think you read my pst wrong

That would depend on the capacity in which you work for them.

The CIA isn't supposed to work domestically.

What about everyone at Langley?

That is there headquarters. But the FBI operates domestically the CIA is foriegn intelligence. Gary Webb was a real person he was smeared just like MLK and a lot of others.

they just provided ID

Because every agent carries his CIA ID when on a secret mission, just in case...

this sounds pretty fake honestly.

why the fuck would the CIA dudes even have CIA id's while bringing coke over the border, and then go on to tell the minutemen what they were doing and their plans?

The CIA helping cartels sounds fake? Sounds like history repeating itself me.

did you not read my whole comment? im not sure how you reached that conclusion from my comment, can you elaborate how you assumed those were my thoughts?

The source is for sure sketch, they have a better one linked at the bottom. Reverse image searching that particular picture of coke seizure brings up a lot of results so i'm sure it's a placeholder in lieu of a real picture of the seizure (which likely doesn't exist anyways).

I mean, its not the source or anything though, its the details and how they gave themselves up as CIA and gave away their plans as soon as they got caught.

No fake aliases, or ID's or anything. Just seems way too convenient of a story in my eyes.

sounds fake that they showed ID and said were doing CIA business.. I don't think thats unbelievable at all. "Hey, were with the CIA, dont fuck with us. this is just a sting operation, were all on the same side here" is how I imagine that conversation went.

Nobody said they don't do it. Just the way this story went it seems way too easy. They deny everything all the time, so why would they suddenly admit anything to some bullshit dudes watching the border? Also, they aren't inept, unless these guys are going rogue and acting alone, they would have intel about who was watching the border and where and know where not to go. So them running into these guys is super low on things that are likely to happen to the CIA.

Extensive documentation of the involvement of several different governments in the drug trade:

https://archive.org/details/DopeInc.BritainOpiumWarAgainstTheUs1978.pdfVersion2

No but if this story were true the headline would read "two minutemen shot dead at Mexican border, manhunt for suspects under way"

I respect people that look at both sides of the story but this one has truth written all over it.

Besides, if banks have been found laundering money for drug cartels

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/15/hsbc-has-form-mexico-laundered-drug-money?client=safari

What's stopping the CIA funding their black ops budgets with black market sales of drugs? Only makes sense

Not to mention the head of the CIA had to come out publicly and dismiss that these people were "related to the CIA" which goes to show that it did in fact happen.

yeah, like I previously said. im not denying that the CIA may be in on some shady drug running deals. I said this specific story sounds fake to me from the details given.

It makes zero sense they would just cave and give away their plans to these people and show them their ID's. Youd think CIA would have some sort of fake id's made for the people actually doing the drug running and such. Also that they woudnt just blurt out their plans the second they are caught.

Thats my thought on it though.

What fake id's could be used to legitimize your drug running operation?

The fact alone that the CIA head had to publicly deny this or the ownership of that cocaine proves that they were CIA agents.

I see it as they didn't blurt out their plan they merely presented CIA ID's in an attempt to get the Minutemen to let them go

I mean, I sure as hell wouldnt be using a CIA ID. Literally any fake ID made up, the CIA certainly has the capability to do so.

If they truly were running drugs across the border, I would fully assume they would have fake passports/state id's without their actual names made so if they were caught. They get arrested, and conveniently "transferred" out of jail/prison.

Just seems dumb to flash CIA shit when you get caught, especially when armed men stop you on a border and you have 1300 lbs of cocaine on you.

Okay so what are the alternative theories here. Again, I respect skeptics but what possible alternative theories could there be?

Let's say these were 2 random drug runners with a fake CIA ID.

Why the fuck would they risk even more threat, charges, and the like by using a fake CIA ID let alone while carrying 1300 pounds of cocaine.

Let me tell you something.

1300 pounds of cocaine.

Let's lowball an estimate and say that one pound of cocaine sells for at lowest, $8,000.

1300 pounds at $8,000 is $10,400,000.00

Are you telling me that two drug runners used fake ID's while carrying TEN MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COCAINE?

Honestly I dont think CIA even runs drugs on the ground, especially when they have the option to fly pretty easily under the radar, or around the scope of your normal flight patterns and such.

That right there seems pretty risky when they have other options.

Also consider they have the use of stealth drones at their disposal.

So does the military, but do they exclusively use them? Of course not.

It's not much of a stretch to say the CIA would do something like this, especially with all the circumstantial evidence OP has provided.

Are you going to dismiss the fact that they had over 10 million dollars worth of cocaine?

And that the US government was caught working with the Sinaloa cartel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

And that the cocaine was from the Sinaloa cartel?

You can't get that many coincidences on something like this. Cmon man.

no not at all, but there is good evidence already that the CIA uses its planes for drug running. Which is why i think it is dumb they would use ground vehicles instead of said planes.

I see what you're saying but as I previously said all we can do as outsiders is conjecture because we truly don't know what their drug running operation entails as we are merely on the outside trying to look in.

I can agree to that, and I will say a good discussion is always a plus for me.

Def right though, all here speculating.

Seems logical to use more than one method of delivery, in order to protect yourself from various threats. If you do things the same way all the time you become...predictable.

Why do you assume they can only use planes?

I dont think they can only use planes, I just think it would be dumb to go on the ground when they have planes available.

The CIA isn't made up of superhumans, it's regular people like you and me.

Regular people do dumb things sometimes, you can't expect them to be perfect every time when we have circumstantial situations like this come up every so often. I wouldn't hold them to such high standards as those standards will be broken.

I can agree to that, people will make mistakes.

Unfortunately these same people have the power to ruin lives over simple mistakes.

Come on tho man.

Trump is DEFINITELY in bed with the Russians over a fucking picture of the two jets together?

But allllll this and OP's documented evidence is hogwash and easily dismissed?

Jesus I can't tell if you're a normal shit CTR shill or just a super shitty gov shill. Damn you're bad.

woo i have fans that follow me around posts.

I just find it amusing you honestly think im paid to shitpost online on reddit.

The evidence in this post is absolutely garbage, no photo of the claimed receipt, a generic photo of a CIA ID lol. great evidence. keep going through my posts, have fun, aint gonna change shit about me or my posting habits here lol.

people like you make me want to get even more aggressive with my biased opinion.

But wait! A single picture of 2 jets together is a greater conspiracy and definitely needs to be investigated.

people like you make me want to get even more aggressive with my biased opinion. just the thought that you think im a shill is entertainment enough.

Lol. Know why I like that you think it's entertaining? Because all other redditors can see all this happening and follow the breadcrumbs. You only screw yourself by being brazen about it all.

haha yeah screwing myself sharing my opinion. you still are stuck on me being a shill

Removed. Rule 10.

Trucks don't leave an FAA radar trail, this story is very plausible, CIA has been running drugs for decades!!!!!

Are you telling me that two drug runners used fake ID's while carrying TEN MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COCAINE?

If you were carrying ten million dollars worth of cocaine, would you not be carrying a fake ID?

Why would you carry CIA IDs of the many to choose from?

You are asking for trouble doing that.

Maybe you get pulled over by some American minute men and give them your ID thinking that the minute men will just let you go without checking your cargo once they see that you're CIA. Why is that so hard to believe? The first thing I would do to get these guys to let me go is tell them in law enforcement or CIA or FBI

Good thing those minutemen actually checked, if you were there this would've never been a story.

What kind of logic is that?

10/10 post

What are you talking about?

I'm saying that if you were the CIA you would hope that the minutemen would just let you go if they saw you were CIA.

And I'm saying I'm glad you weren't those minutemen.

The only reason they are there is to stop illegal things from coming across the border, CIA agent or illegal Mexican you will not get by them without confrontation.

And if I were the minutemen I'd search their car regardless of their IDs.

The CIA had nothing else. Literally that was their only chance. Seriously how do you not get that?

When did I say I didn't get it?

You're assuming things.

And you assumed I wouldn't search their car. Woowee what a fun conversation this has been.

I had fun, thanks!

I mean, it's illegal for the CIA to operate within the US, so I feel like admitting to being an Officer seems like a bad decision. Especially as militias seem like somewhere that would attract the "black helicopters" crowd.

it's illegal for the CIA to operate within the US

Well no, not really. I mean, their HQ is in Virginia, don't you think they operate at their HQ?

They aren't permitted to conduct operations on US soil. You're missing the woods for the trees, dude.

Just how haphazardly they were trying to smuggle is what's sending up red flags about the authenticity of this story for me. They couldn't disguise their vehicle to look like a Border Patrol Vehicle? It wouldn't be hard to fool some dopey Militia guys with just a little effort. The CIA Also has a very larger fleet of Aircraft why are they trying this in a vehicle registered to the CIA? Just leads me to believe these guys were Rogue or not CIA.

thats really the only thing I could see making some truth in this. it being a few rogue CIA agents, not working for CIA but just running drugs themselves.

Yeah just the fact there was literally no effort to hide CIA involvement and how easily they folded to some dopey milita guys is my main red flag. If it was CIA sanctioned the plan must have been to be caught as a distraction for a larger shipment or to get some people across the border otherwise none of it makes sense beyond going rogue.

If it was CIA sanctioned the plan must have been to be caught as a distraction

This is out-of-the-box thinking. And this is exactly the sort of psychological chess tactics the CIA would employ.

They may have thought the Minutemen were allies in some way. Or that they would trust a government official (majority of these groups are ex-military).

Very good point, and perspective, thank you man.

The fact alone that the CIA head had to publicly deny this

Where is this?

In the article

“The CIA doesn’t take part in drug smuggling operations at the US-Mexican border”said M. Boyd. “I do not know, for now, if the men are actually affiliated to the agency in any way, but I can tell you the cocaine doesn’t belong to the CIA.”

I will attempt to find a press release or something related besides links to other websites reporting this story. Thanks for replying and thanks for the skepticism

Once you get the CIA to start monologuing, they'll tell you everything. I've seen a lot of movies, so I can confirm that almost all bad guys do this.

I also don't believe they would give up the goat that quick. Why not call their superiors and have them deal with it? Then this story wouldn't get off the ground.

They were detained and held by an armed border militia who raised bp on coms and they promptly responded to the scene. Do a little research and you can find out the identities of the men involved in the patrol. Their personal contact info is out there. If you dont believe me look for yourself. Why dont you ask one of them if you are so skeptical.

I suspect there are some CIA misinformation agents in this thread. People claiming neutrality but immediately pushing the stance of disbelief.

Case in point, usally most up voted comment.

hahaha, I love the thought of being a CIA misinformation agent.

When you point out that something seems incredibly fishy/unlikely in this sub you're labeled a shill or an agent spreading misinformation.

oh I know, I havent seen the shill card thrown at me in awhile. used to be a lot more free to call people shills a few years back.

Lol come on. You're over in another conspiracy thread again pushing some bullshit propaganda agenda?

Were supposed to jump to conclusions about a picture and 2 jets but all this documented evidence about the CIA running drugs (as proven in the past) is farfetched?

Your time is coming to an end.

so have you read any of my comments on this post? or are you just putting those same words in my mouth like half the other people that replied to me here?

I mean, I'm skeptical, but, as far as I know, I'm not on the Agency's payroll. I could really, really use it right now, too.

Lol come on. You're over in another conspiracy thread again pushing some bullshit propaganda agenda?

Link?

I'm not on the Agency's payroll

Hmm, using the familiar term for the CIA...just how familiar with them are you? ;)

I mean, you're familiar with the term too, does that mean you're a government employee?

Knowing lingo is different from freely using it.

Mostly kidding though, bud. ;)

Nah, you're fine. I just play a lot of video games, honestly.

When analyzing something like this shouldn't you start out with disbelief and change your mind once provided with evidence? This sub could use some more skepticism

Starting from disbelief is the same as starting from belief. just another bias.

The trick is to start from neutrality...entertaining ideas without fulling embracing or discounting them.

I don't know how reliable the report of drug running CIA agents is, but I'll sure remember it if any other info comes up. In the meantime, the reasoning against the report being valid isn't all that strong.

Exactly. While the article is a little vague I see way to many people here jumping to the conclusion that's it's fake based off their own assumptions of what they think happened.

Since when are conspirists that quick to conclusion?

Fake is a new word to this sub. It used to be that we would debunk conspiracy theories as a hoax with a source of the faked material. This has transitioned in to "Fake news" a term now being used to debunk anything and everything with no or negligable proof. Things have changed since Pizzagate. Online surveilence is at it's highest. Shills promoting disinformation are everywhere and they are established. We need new vetting procedures.

And now you're being downvoted, lmao they couldn't be more obvious.

Maybe it's because you guys blindly buy into a clearly fake story.

We asked questions in search of the truth. Keep spinning.

Its cool. They searched the vehicle and the detainees like anyone would to make the site safe and clear. Haters gonna hate.

honestly, I think you are right, who even knows if the ID's are real, I agree they run drugs, but to get caught, and self identify... it's like these false flag guys leaving their ID's laying out to be found... too convenient

honestly, I think you are right, who even knows if the ID's are real

I wonder if it's illegal to impersonate a CIA agent...

moot.

As someone else said. If you got caught would you pull out your Jim Smith expert drug smuggler id out or Jim Smith C.I.A id? I know what I'm pulling out.

depends on the consequences.

Idk. I think one of the scariest consequence is potentially getting shot in the face by the militia guys aiming rifles at you.

depends on their training.

Exactly this. I have to believe the CIA has the ability to completely fabricate a new identity. Why not just give them fake ID's with fake names and fake US citizenship

exactly, and if they do get caught, conveniently get them out of prison.

They probaly had fake IDs as well. But when in the custody of a self-regulated armed militia, which ID would you pull out? Hector Hernandez, import-export business man, or Jim Smith, CIA?

Well they might be on a rushed timeline if they were transporting cartel assets. How would it look if they are arrested and then released? Even worse, they could miss some delivery deadline that endangers someone else.

On the other hand, it would also be in the realm of possibility that some cartel coke smugglers had some fake CIA credentials that they presented with a story about how they were CIA so hands off.

this feels like a more probable scenario. no CIA agent is not going to carry anything that links them to the govt. you get busted you keep your mouth shut and contact the supervisor asap. it gets handled from there.

The group of burly, bearded men armed with AR-15's thinking they were Mexican drug runners is what made them cave.

The point wasn't that the CIA isn't involved in drug smuggling but this specific case. The CIA can use their own diplomatic flights and nobody would stop them or maintain some smuggling route without such issues.

If this story here is true I would assume these CIA agents just used their status for a side business.

All I'm going to say is that because we are outsiders, we can't really conjecture for sure how the CIA would run their hidden black ops fund drug running.

This story points clues towards a bigger picture and that alone says enough.

I think if anything, the fellas, maybe ex CIA maybe not, maybe no training what so ever, were hired/working for the cartels to get drugs over the border. If I was caught at the border by minutemen, how seem to be unwavering in their commitment and patriotism, the logical arugement to get them to release you, would be to tell them your working for the government and on mission. So seems like to me these 2 guys got caught smuggling drugs, they started to lie to cover there ass, and to try to get released. Eventually the lies being told or the lies in the police report are what got published here, just instead of lies, the news report covered it all as real.

TLDR: Basically the incident happened, but the fact the 2 arrested were working for the CIA is highly unlikely and was originally mentioned as a attempt to get law enforcement to let them go.

No one moves 10 million dollars worth of cocaine without some kind of oversight by a larger operation.

Not to mention the fact that the us was caught being buddy buddy with the Sinaloa cartel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

The article says this cocaine was from the Sinaloa cartel.

See what I'm getting at?

Yea i see what your saying. Everything does seem alil shadier then normal. Alot of coincidences thats for sure

HSBC? Sure, there's credible evidence. The CIA does tons of shady shit, I have no doubt.

Website that has a current 'top article' about a 'Bigfoot Family'?

This is the kind of website that exists to make conspiracy theory seem less likely.

I respect trying to verify the authenticity of the website, as I had the same doubts.

But when you add these coincidences up one after another something doesn't sound right.

• two "CIA" agents caught with 1300 pounds. 1300 pounds at the lowest of low ball estimates is 10 million dollars. That's serious power, and money.

• the CIA head had to publicly deny their relation to the CIA. Thus proving that this took place.

• the cocaine packages had a scorpion that can be traced to Sinaloa cartels

• the Sinaloa cartel is the biggest Mexico cartel and was caught working with the US government https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

• HSBC got caught laundering drug money for cartels.

Do you not see the links and dots connecting all this?

Occams razor: what's more likely? Cartel members with fake ID, or CIA agents that resorted to driving as opposed to other options for transporting narcotics?

Just because there are dots on a page doesn't mean they form the picture you're looking for.

Even if it was cartels with fake ID, isn't it suspicious that the Sinaloa cartel was caught working with the US government?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1?client=safari

Let's look at another side. Trump wants a wall. Trump and CIA don't get along. "CIA" get caught crossing border with a shit ton of drugs from most dangerous cartel. Maybe it wasn't even cocaine. Maybe it was fake to make the CIA look bad and the wall a good idea. It could be a lot of things when dipping into conspiracies.

It's not the plausibility of the overall thing, it's the specifics of this account.

No one in the intelligence field would tell someone more than they need to know. These minutemen don't even need to know these dudes' names.

According to the source article the vehicle was registered to the CIA and they had a receipt for the coke from the cartel.

“What drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine? There is really something strange about these guys, and we believe the CIA possibly knows more than what it is ready to admit.”

id be interested to see said receipt.

There's also a surprising lack of conformable details, along with a 'rushed' narrative.

THIS JUST HAPPENED! last night! But, no date at all, etc.

For those concerned over fake vs real news, most long term Conspiracy Theories rely about at least a few pieces of substantial evidence, along with circumstantial. Fake news pieces will be entirely circumstantial, but with high quality presentation.

Real conspiracy theories generally rely upon a variety of people reaching the same conclusion, and generally systematically eliminate all 'reasonable' alternatives. Fake news pieces present a 'what if' scenario, and then create a movie, book, and fan club to support such a bizarre situation - Fake news also tends to have 'bizarre' confirmation, such as the picture of this guys 'CIA badge' but with it blurred out? Seems legit, but why the blur? Who in the CIA allows you to take a pic of their person, at all?

Likewise, occassionally, fake news will suggest 'immediate' action or judgement. Real conspiracy theorist generally just want a trial. An open investigation in which the evidence is reasonable presented, and their explanations documented on record.

Anyways, for new comers, that's the general way you can distinguish enraging propaganda vs reasoned justice.

Yes absolutely, but that "fake news" term is gross.

True, call this fake news and it allows for the whitewashing of any past events that took place between the CIA and the cartels

True, call this fake news and it allows for the whitewashing of any past events that took place between the CIA and the cartels

Well my point is that "fake news" is the lazy buzzword the MSM pushed to discredit something while not encouraging critical thinking and examination.

It's a gross oversimplification that even being used honestly could mean anything from:

inaccurate, intentionally inaccurate, heavily-biased, propaganda, black propaganda, disinformation, psyop, misleading, misrepresenting facts, misrepresenting rumors, misrepresenting proven falsehoods, truth mixed with disinformation, half-truths mixed with disinformation, etc.

FWIW, NPR just did 15 minutes on "fake news" because of the new laws in Germany.

The reporter stated at least twice that "fake news" is actually highly organized propaganda, and not the goofy fake internet stuff that's been going on for years.

No one's denying the CIA did stuff like this. Obviously they did.

However, OP originally claimed 'last night' vs 'Jan '14' , and so on. The question was regarding the specific story, and OP made MAJOR revision which added a lot of important contextual info.

I was responding to the post before the edit.

Can't we just go back to "propaganda" and "hoaxes"?

Those words are fine.

Real conspiracy theories generally rely upon a variety of people reaching the same conclusion, and generally systematically eliminate all 'reasonable' alternatives.

Would you mind listing a couple, please? You seem to be a lot more grounded than the average "conspiracy theorist" so I'm really curious which conspiracies you consider to be legitimate.

I think the sidebar has a list (or it use to?) of 'confirmed' conspiracies. But if you just want some basic one's that I don't think any sensible person could deny, when presented a complete set of data:

• US Media primarily serves to provoke, rather than inform (Propaganda)

• 9/11 Required a significant amount of internal assistance, far beyond the operational control of a cave dweller (whom CNN did a live interview with just months before... but the CIA could never find!) - Gov. Sanctioned Terrorism

• That the FBI played a pivotal role in murdering, or allowing the murder of a huge number of civil rights activists.

• That the government makes no attempt to be representative of the desires of the people, that goes far beyond mere incompetence (tyrannical)

• The murder of Robert Kennedy is completely suspect - http://www.jfk-info.com/teeter2.htm

• There is practically no way Lee Oswald was the only shooter against Kennedy. That would require a level of marksmanship that would place him in like the top 1% worldwide, and I'm not sure if anyone has been able to physically reproduce his claimed abilities.

• The 3rd Kennedy, who lost to Hillary for Senator of New York by death, seems oddly 'coincidental'.

• The choosing of Truman over Wallace as the successor to FDR, is completely mind boggling. Truman essentially had no political history, and was never elected to office. Instead FDR won and died almost immediately, and then Truman dropped some A-bombs forthwith, and essentially declared war against Russia immediately after. It was an odd set of coincidences and behaviors.

• Prescott Bush (father to George) was the head financier for the Nazi Party, while living in Texas. Essentially he money laundered for Hitler, and then won 2 Presidencies. Interesting...

Watch Oliver's Stones Untold History of the United States if you want to a basic rundown of the last 100 years without filling it up with racism.

Just a few points...

There is practically no way Lee Oswald was the only shooter against Kennedy. That would require a level of marksmanship that would place him in like the top 0.1% worldwide, and I'm not sure if anyone has been able to physically reproduce his claimed abilities.

It's a popular myth that Oswald was a terrible shot. That said, a Texas Live Oak was in his way, and the gun he was using couldn't cycle fast enough to get off the shots. This is especially evident when you consider people were hit with fragments of bullets on the overpass in Dealey Plaza, meaning there had to have been more than one shooter.

The 3rd Kennedy, who lost to Hillary for Senator of New York by death, seems oddly 'coincidental'.

No Kennedy lost to Hillary. Moynihan was Senator from New York for decades, but he was planning to retire in 2000. JFK, Jr. had a blind poll done in 1999 to test the waters for his candidacy when Moynihan retired. Kennedy's numbers looked very good. Then he died in a plane wreck. Clinton ran and won the seat.

The choosing of Truman over Wallace as the successor to FDR, is completely mind boggling.

As Untold History of the United States makes clear, there wasn't any shadow conspiracy behind that. It was obvious. The Democratic leadership did not like Wallace. They put up with FDR because the people loved him, and FDR used that leverage to get Wallace on the ticket in the first place when he replaced Garner. With Roosevelt's deteriorating health, the Democratic leadership feared what would happen with an even more radical Democrat than FDR.

also the story of responsible volunteers defending the national border plays to certain values and we just want it to be true

fake news? like the entire mainstrea media....

Real conspiracy theory is an interesting combination of words

Think they have an automatic 18% gratuity charge?

if they do it better be listed on the damn receipt so we know before hand.

"Hi, I'd like to return this..."

The real conspiracy will be if it is longer than one from CVS.

The receipt is so that HQ knows exactly how much cocaine is supposed to be delivered. It was probably more of an invoice than anything else.

Chief, ::sniffle::I swear to god! Johnson spilled his soda on the bundles. One of them got really soggy so we had to throw it away. This nosebleed is completely unrelated.::sniffle:: ::sniffle::

Hahaha.

What drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine?

If you want to do business with the US government you better provide a goddamn receipt. As crooked as the CIA is they are still a government agency. You have to track every penny....lol

If real, it's likely a bill of lading.

yeah right. the state dept. lost billions of dollars that went unaccounted for just before 9/11. only the lowest level of government agencies are held to the fire. its all about control.

The receipt is only to make sure the agents deliver a certain amount

Didn't 1.5 billion go missing from the Pentagon?! Didn't the CIA operate a black budget? Yeah I doubt there was a receipt. Let's not forget the CIA bought 10Kg of LSD! Do you think congress signed off on that one?

Let's not forget the CIA bought 10Kg of LSD

I love this crazy conspiracy, that's 100,000,000*100ug doses. Supposedly acquired by Allen Dulles, or in some tellings it was Sandosz's entire output until it could be produced in the US in quantities measured in tons. Utter nonsense, but amusing.

Was just thinking the doses are micro grams, how many hits is 10kg lol

Did find this tho

This is from a 1994 article in Spin magazine, if you're interested.

Actually, it all began with a mistake. In 1951, Allen Dulles, later appointed director of Central Intelligence, received a report from military sources that the Russians had bought 50 million doses of a new drug from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals in Basel, Switzerland. A follow-up memo stated that Sandoz had an additional ten kilos - about 100 million doses - of the drug, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25), available for sale on the open market

Dulles was alarmed. From the beginning, LSD was lauded by military and intelligence scientists working on chemical warfare compounds and mind-control experiments as the most potent mind-altering substance known to man. “Infinitesimally small amounts of LSD can completely destroy the sanity of a human being for considerable periods of time (or possibly permanently),” stated an October 1953 CIA memo. In the wrong hands, 100 million doses would be enough to sabotage a whole nation's mental equilibrium.

Dulles convened a high-level committee of CIA and Pentagon officials who agreed the agency should buy the entire Sandoz LSD supply lest the KGB acquire it first. Two agents were dispatched to Switzerland with a black bag containing $240,000.

In fact, Sandoz had produced only about 40 grams of LSD in the ten years since its psychoactive features were first discovered by Albert Hofmann. According to a 1975 CIA document, the U.S. Military attaché in Switzerland had miscalculated by a factor of one million in his CIA reports because he did not know the difference between a milligram (1 /1,000 of a gram) and a kilogram (1,000 grams).

Nevertheless, a deal was struck. The CIA would purchase all of Sandoz's potential output of LSD. (Later, when the Eli Lilly Company of Indianapolis perfected a process to synthesize LSD, agency officials insisted on a similar agreement.) An internal CIA memo to Dulles declared the agency would have access to “tonnage quantities.” All that remained was for agency heads to figure out what to do with it.

Nice one, thanks. Makes perfect sense now. I never doubted that they will have purchased some from Sandoz, but I assumed that particular story was rubbish because I've never seen it in full.

You are extremely quick to dismiss something you find absurd. I'd do some fact checking before relying on your own assumptions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5oj1rb/two_cia_agents_arrested_by_minutemen_while/dck1qd0

In fact, Sandoz had produced only about 40 grams of LSD in the ten years since its psychoactive features were first discovered by Albert Hofmann

The real Red Flag is that the CIA attempted to purchase 10KG of LSD. For what purpose? You might find some information thats a bit more disconcerting.

If you bring your cocaine home, and find that the packaging was damaged, or that you weren't satisfied with the product, you can return or exchange it from the dealer you purchased from. You can either swap it for more cocaine (minus shipping and handling), or exchange it for other products, such as heroin.

But if you try to do this without a receipt, it may take hours on the phone with customer support supervisors to work it out. And you may be killed. Always keep your receipts.

Can confirm, work in customer support.

You'd be amazed how many people forget their receipts, and can't even tell me the location and time of purchase. At this point I am honestly required by company policy to shoot them on the spot because of our "Never look like a punk bitch" policy.

It really is an inconvenience to us both. If you can't get your paperwork together don't bother calling, we can't help.

[from the article] 2014

Time Magazine claims Sinaloa had a DEA partnership at that time.

... drug dealer in his right mind, demands a receipt for 1300 pounds of cocaine ...

One that's attempting to frame whomever that receipt is made out to.

The source article is shit its two paragraphs long. All the evidence we see is they have used their own aircraft or often military aircraft, see Texas Airforce case, this just doesn't make tactical or historical sense. I know they run drugs but not a couple of hundred pounds at a time in a Truck that's just asking to get caught. I don't see one other article sourcing this info.

why the fuck would the CIA dudes even have CIA id's while bringing coke over the border, and then go on to tell the minutemen what they were doing and their plans?

While I agree, I doubt they would talk/admit, but when you have guns pointed at you, grown men start singing like birds. On another note, the cia ID's I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I had a family member do something highly illegal and he had to flee the country and these goons used to come to my place twice a year to 'update' their records on witnesses, and they'd send 2 goons every time and these guys were simply idiots.

They would try to spin shit and and I'd play games with them and they would fall for it

They pull out their CIA badges because.

1 They don't give 2 Fucks....

2 The Cocaine CIA Express Shipment will be delivered as usual and on time.

It's interesting that even after it's been shown that the story is bullshit coming from satire sites OP and the mods choose to leave it up.

The excuse being that even though this is fake, the CIA is still bad. So spreading misinformation about them is fine as long as it created a dialogue.

I don't see the CIA actively discrediting it do you?

CIA involvement in drug running is already well-confirmed.

The obvious reason why they id'd themselves as CIA is because they had a group of armed, easily angered US citizens pointng guns at them. What other excuse can you think of that wouldn't get you shot in a similar situation?

Sounds like season 5 of Archer.

The CIA has better methods of running illegal ops. They have no need to go through the backdoor when they can easily go through the front door.

ALREADY THE COVERUP BEGINS!

[from the article] 2014

Time Magazine claims Sinaloa had a DEA partnership at that time.

The CIA is smart enough to keep the dirty work at arms length. They can easily leverage some street thug to do this. There is no doubt that the CIA is involved in drug smuggling and trafficking, but I doubt they would move it themselves under normal circumstances.

It's no secret that the agency has been busted running drugs, weapons, ect, so this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it happened or not. But they would usually use a government contractor to do this kind of dirt. If you are curious, look more into "Dyncorp" and you might be able to find some answers.

My other thought was this could also be a non-sanctioned mission and these two were caught trying to make some money off the books. Do you know how much a spy makes? Not a tremendous amount; these aren't the type of jobs you take to make a bunch of money.

Yeah, doesn't everyone in the CIA understand the principle of "need to know" extremely well?

The known budget of the CIA is what, 45 billion? So why would they walk it over when they have flown it in for years.

The source you give isnt a source for this article.

The source given by the article goes to another generic conspiracy newssite filled with shit about aliens and other bullshit.

And you believe this?

Given the history of alphabet letter agencies, yes, I believe this.

The original source is Worldnewsdailyreport, which also runs headlines like "JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD". This isn't a real story.

That should have been your first clue.

Your second clue should have been the quote from the "CIA spokesperson" Boyd, which cannot be found anywhere on the internet except in copy-pasted versions of this fake story.

Yes thanks. Others have pointed it out.

I updated my post with a disclaimer.

It shouldn't just be a disclaimer though, this is literally falling for fake news and bringing it to the top of this sub

I'm not going to let this exposure to CIA involvement In the drug trade to go to waste.

My disclaimer is plenty enough to let people think and decide for themselves what to believe.

I do not believe in censorship so I'm not going to delete this post, instead I'll share and welcome all points of views and ideas.

I don't think "censorship" means what you think it means.

Nah just lazy choice of word.

Maybe self censorship.

Not sure

Like, you are really being as bad as any "news" corporation.

Your narrative is: "the CIA are heavily involved in the drug trade". Fair enough, tbh I don't doubt it.

Your tactics: "disseminate information you know to be false".

I don't care if you are doing this to supposedly stimulate discussion. All that's happened is hundreds of people have upvoted it without questioning it because it fits their preconceptions. This is EXACTLY the tactics of mainstream media outlets. Your "disclaimer" just muddies the water.

I think you should do the right thing and delete this bollocks. Find some real evidence and you'll convince folk, this fucking nonsense just makes us all look like idiots.

It is not censorship to admit you fell for some bollocks and replace it with an admission of that. I mean, I once posted an April Fool's news article without checking the date!

Man I've been sitting here scratching my head thinking of how to handle this. Now that I've thoroughly looked into it, this story seems questionable, to say the least.

I have considered deleting it. I hope to have steered people atleast towards the alternative links and other sources of information regarding other CIA involvement.

This is a lesson to me to further research any topic I wish to link to before verifying authenticity.

It's still hard for me to delete this post though because of other CIA implications of drug running. It's astounding the evidence before our eyes.

Maybe this helped shine light on their shadiness.

I'm open to discussion either way, I may end up deleting it.

Dude, are you drunk?

Dude, are you drunk?

Don't waste your breath. They're loving the upvotes and attention, and trying to play this off as an exercise in critical thinking in some comments - after they tried and fail to corroborate it.

And

I always try to verify anything I post so I'm not throwing anyone off.

You don't believe in stopping yourself from spreading misinformation.

This article being refuted is teaching me to not believe other instances where the CIA is accused of using drugs to fund operations.

Good it's teaching you to be a critical thinker. Something this world needs more of. It's important to be skeptic of both sides of the issue and do your own research and come to your own conclusion

Got it. The CIA never uses drugs to fund operations.

Shape your reality the way you wish to. If you wish to believe what you just said then go ahead.. You don't need permission from me to believe what you want.

Cool. Facts don't matter anymore.

To you, apparently not.

People are gonna keep ragging you unless YOU come up with some better evidence OP. Although most people with a brain know that the CIA and other shadow agencies mettle with drugs and other scandalous things, it is almost impossible to believe that, upon getting caught by 2 citizen-cops, they would throw their hands up, surrender and proceed to admit what they were doing.

It's not "decide for yourself", it's literally from a parody news site

So you're not interested in what's actually true as long as it makes the CIA look bad?

Just delete it you dunce.

Damn, could you imagine being those volunteers? Two government spooks roll up with a quarter billion dollars worth of drugs.

I'd likely shit myself. There must have been quite a few of them for us to be hearing about this story now.

Better source: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/two-cia-agents-arrested-by-minutemen-while-crossing-mexican-border-with-1300-pounds-of-cocaine/

WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

You probably already know it's satire.

Over two yeara old, and BS. http://www.snopes.com/cia-crossing-border-cocaine/

Are you really going to source snopes, a known fake knews verifier? Literally tasked with the responsibility to decide what is real or fake news. You trust that media outlet?

You trust it was just 2 random drug runners with 10 million dollars worth of cocaine in their suv?

hold up, you're going to claim that this guy's "debunking" source is full of shit because they are untrustworthy, but you put your full faith into the article you posted from a website that also posts articles titled "Toxic Truth About Baby Carrots & Why You Shouldn't Eat Them" and "Flu Shots Have More than 250x EPA Mercury Safe Limit" and "Satanic Symbols in Washington DC" and "Big study: Vaccinated Kids 2-5 More Diseases Than Unvaccinated"?

I'd rather put my trust in an alternative news source that is open minded and willing to discuss alternative theories and ideas.

I'd rather not put my trust in a main stream media source that crusades as the champion of verifier of fake or real news.

I'd rather put my trust in an alternative news source that is open minded and willing to discuss alternative theories and ideas.

You do realise that the "alternative theories and ideas" are completely unfounded, right? Like, it takes a special kind of dumbass to believe that this study has any grounds for legitimacy at all. The sample group is completely non-random, the study was funded by Google Adwords revenue, it's authored by a "homeopathic practitioner", and hasn't been peer-reviewed by anyone (for good reason, it'd be shot down in a heartbeat for failing to follow even a hint of scientific method - but i guess you can't expect any respect for science from a "homeopathic practitioner")

This website is an echo chamber for the paranoid.

As for your article, it's copied (sourced) from worldnewsdailyreport.com, which is even more out-there than the one you posted. Featured under it's "Most Popular" section the following articles (i'm thinking "stories" would be a better descriptor):

• JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD
• GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVE THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH
• YOKO ONO: “I HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HILLARY CLINTON IN THE ’70S”
• AUSTRALIA: 600-POUND WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO 40-POUND BABY
• MAN KICKED OUT OF ALL-YOU-CAN-EAT BUFFET AFTER EATING MORE THAN 50 LBS OF FOOD, SUES FOR $2-MILLION
• ‘LITTLE OLD LADY’ ARRESTED FOR MAKING FUR COATS WITH NEIGHBOR’S CATS

Or how about a sampling of some of their recent posts:

• PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT WITH HELP FROM DINOSAURS, CLAIMS TOP EGYPTOLOGIST
• ALIENS MEDDLED WITH U.S. ELECTION CLAIMS CONTROVERSIAL EXPERT
• RUINS OF 19TH CENTURY SNOW FORT DISCOVERED IN NORTHERN CANADA
• YEMEN: COURT RULES TEENAGER HAS TO MARRY IMPREGNATED CAMEL
• 7-YEAR OLD GIRL RECEIVES BREAST IMPLANTS FOR CHRISTMAS

come the fuck on man.

I agree this needs further verification, I won't deny that and I appreciate you taking the time to point this out.

But we should not dismiss the fact that the CIA has a long history of meddling in drug running.

But we should not dismiss the fact that the CIA has a long history of meddling in drug running.

No one is dismissing that, but if that was the goal of your discussion, there are far more reputable sources than this shitshow of a clickbait circlejerk.

I do agree, and because of that I've been compiling all the evidence I can find of CIA drug running which I've now included in my main post.

Thanks for the reply

you're delusional, please get help.

Jesus dude, I would seriously suggest talking with a mental health pro.

But we should not dismiss the fact that the CIA has a long history of meddling in drug running.

The problem now is that many will think people like you believe that to be true because you get all your news from blatantly obvious fake news sites.

I love that you listed all those articles and the reply you get is.

"I agree this needs further verification"

Gold medallist in mental gymnastics

a known fake knews verifier

News? But yes, here they are verifying fake news as fake, that's what they do.

Why don't you try to counter the Snipes article? It should be pretty easy to prove it didn't come from WDNR if that's the truth.

Do me a favor and try to dispel all these coincidences

What on earth does that have to do with the link you posted?

Whoopity-do, the CIA have involvement with drugs. The story you posted is sourced from a satirical site.

Just admit you got duped.

Point me to where it says that that website is satirical in any nature?

The only ones getting duped are us as we argue with each other over details meanwhile dark shit is happening under our noses but people are too divided to stand together and ask critical questions.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

I'll attempt to find more information on this and see if it is indeed satire.

Just because they put that warning does not mean their whole website is satire.

I applaud your skeptism but the CIA has a lot of evidence against them that they do indeed run drugs.

Even if this article is satire, it's very obvious that the CIA has been running drugs for the black market for decades.

So go and look at the website, then come back and admit you were duped.

Blather about the CIA all you like, you've been completely fooled by satire and made loads of comments trying to defend it and prove it's true ...based on what the satirical piece says.

No need to admit to anything to stroke your ego. I've already said multiple times I'm trying to find more information on this story and any verification is appreciated.

I'm not going to feed your ego by admitting fault because shit fucking happens and none of us are perfect so quit trying to be morally superior here and divide the subject even further.

That's all I'm going to say to you because you're wasting time by pointing fingers at me when we should be further researching this subject of CIA interference in the running of drugs for the black market.

It won't be to stroke my ego. You've posted a fake story as a conspiracy and tried to convince people it's true.

You didn't think to verify it before posting it, nor before you kept on defending it? You haven't been able to follow a few links and find out where it came from even now?

That's very irresponsible, or are you fine with it since the satire fits your narrative? Which was the whole point of the piece in the first place...

I always try to verify anything I post so I'm not throwing anyone off.

Like I said and continue to say this needs more verification but I'm not just going to throw it all out and dismiss it all because it came from a sketchy source.

I'm going to look at all sides and I'm not trying to deceive anyone, merely trying to provide truth. So relax, I'm not trying to dupe anyone let alone mislead anyone I just want truth.

I always try to verify anything I post so I'm not throwing anyone off.

So before you posted this you followed the link that said "source?"

I'm not just going to throw it all out and dismiss it all because it came from a sketchy source.

A source that only writes satire?

I'm going to look at all sides and I'm not trying to deceive anyone, merely trying to provide truth. So relax, I'm not trying to dupe anyone let alone mislead anyone I just want truth.

Keep scrabbling.

Not sure what more you want lmao. Thanks I guess for pointing out these things. Was nice talking

"A group of minutemen watching the Mexican Border for illegal migrants and drug traffickers, have proceeded to the citizen arrest of two men in an SUV,"

So they were crossing the border, but not via the roadways? It was never specified, although I'm assuming that. However, I've seen parts of the border in Texas, near El Paso and I just never realized that there are areas where an SUV can travel towards the border, in a vehicle kicking up dust, undetected from miles away and up to the border. Either the article is leaving out vast amounts of information or the article is BS. I suspect the latter.

I used Snopes in this particular instance, because they used the source site's own disclaimer. They didn't make any unilateral determination. As for the "coincidences" you posted, I'm not defending the CIA, Snopes, or anyone else, but those fail to corroborate this particular article.

are you really going to call snopes fake when you literally posted a satire website as truth?

well if SNOPES says so.....

hurr-durr snopes

It should be really easy to prove this story didn't come from a satirical site if Snopes are wrong. Can you do that?

Also, why would a satirical site publish a real story?

It is wise to be critical of Snopes, but their article shows that the source site openly admits to being satire and fiction, so there's that...

I'm with you, to be honest I didn't barely even read the article, I just hate snopes is all.

we should be critical of things before they get to snopes, snopes should act as a reference to checking the truth, no matter how they want to obfuscate it. They still tell the basic truth in their essays.

had it existed, snopes would have labled gary webb's reporting of the CIA-medaine partnership to launder money through cocaine to fund guns for tge afghans in the 1990s. likely citing the WAPO articles that destroyed his reputation and career. WAPO's stated sources? unnamed high up officials at the CIA.

that movie with tom hanks, charlie wilson's wa, is all about our clandestine CIA proxy war in afghanistan, painting him as a hero for submitting fictious budget requests to fund it (i.e. lying to and defrauding the american people, and embelizing from the US govt). the cocaine running began when his ability to get a way with that waned.

yeah let's make wild accusations about if something had been different.

I'll continue;

If trump had lost we'd all be stuck with ted cruz shitting into a midget's bed while high on jesus.

The CIA has some explaining to do....

Every government agency has a lot of explaining to do.

Ik, but smuggling drugs across the border?!

I agree completely. What's even worse to think about is that much darker things have happened and are happening but are currently being exposed (because of the golden age we are entering, truth is coming to light)

As it is written in scripture: "This is the judgment: that light has entered the world, and men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. Everybody who does wrong hates the light and keeps away from it, for fear his deeds may be exposed. But everybody who is living by the truth will come to the light to make it plain that all he has done has been done through God."

So it is no surprise to me things are being revealed

Beautiful scripture, I'm saving that in my quotes and powerful truths. Thank you man, much thanks for the reply

Two nuts circlejerking over fake news circlejerk over a scripture about the fake news. Shocking.

Why would they need to explain a satirical story about them, do you not get the joke?

gary webb,

vindication 20 years later.

RIP

(suicide with 2 bullets to his head after uncovering the CIA-medaine partnership to launder money through the sale of cocaine to purchase guns for afghans in the 1990s. the glut of coke on the US market was directly responsible for the crack epidemic. his reputation and career was ruined by vilification by WAPO).

Thank you! I can't believe I forgot this amazing man.

Here's some links for anyone that's interested

http://www.narconews.com/darkalliance/drugs/start.htm

Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004 with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled suicide by the Sacramento County coroner's office.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

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Hahaha, sounds like a plot from the TV show Archer.

This is the same site that has the breaking news that the Vatican is monitoring the heavens with their L.U.C.I.F.E.R. telescope "whilst secretely preparing for the arrival of their alien Masters"

and also that you can kill cancer with Vitamin C.

I'm going to need to see some other sources for the story.

Why yes Agent Smith, it most certainly is.

Holy shit, we've hit the motherlode!

ARCHIVE EVERYTHING!

This is one dot in a series of dots populating a larger picture.

If we can gather, collect, and organize all these dots we can connect and see the bigger picture and share it with all that have ears to hear.

I posted this earlier:

https://archive.org/details/DopeInc.BritainOpiumWarAgainstTheUs1978.pdfVersion2

It's a 1978 account of how several different governments are involved in the drug trade.

Thank you, another dot to add. I'll compile all these articles, much thanks brother

Shills, shills everywhere!

They have been managing and importing from Afghanistan, too. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/04/the-cia-continues-trafficking-drugs-from-afghanistan/

I have such mad respect for veterans today. Every article I've read from there is spot fucking on and well researched. Thanks for sharing man, I'm going to collaborate and compile all these sources and links and connect a bigger picture.

Cheers! :)

Okay, so apparently this happened in 2015? Here is a video I found on it on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKAodoIu3f4

Thank you for the research and effort! I'm going to go through your links as well and post any collaborating evidence to my main post.

Much thanks again man, keep us updated!

NP, will do.

Flaired to reflect the correct date of the story. That is all.

Thank you. With as much attention as its getting I figured I should have included the date, thanks for doing it for me.

No "unverified" tag, though. Lol.

Check the source on this article.

I think the flair you are looking for is "Satire".

If you want the mods here to authenticate and verify all posts, perhaps you should visit other subs.

This is a conspiracy sub of 400,000 subscribers with a handful of mods.

If you need your Truth curated for you, there are other subreddits for that.

Something apparently juicy about Trump and it's quickly flaired "unverified allegations" without any evidence either way, other than the protagonists protests.

Obviously, you guys can't check on everything posted in a large sub, but consistency in the methods of quality checking the posts reaching r/all would be great.

They checked enough to flair it 2014 in the first place, seen it reported, and seen the comments and edit. But no change.

I'm almost positive the mod team was replaced with T_D supporters.

use /r/trueconspiracy instead of this place.

Eh, I guess I don't want that. I was just being sassy. Keep on modding, it can't be easy.

It must be done.

This should surprise no one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

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Thanks for the link, I'm going to add it to my main post.

No doubt the CIA drove coke across the border but showing their IDs? Nope. They would wait for release from jail later when their supervisor called the DA. Unless, of course these were rogue agents, utilizing their IDs to take advantage of some limited part time income producing opportunities.

And the agents let them search the car? I don't think so.

Why would they drive it over the border when they have their own fleet of leased planes and pilot? I think a couple of guys were trying to make a little side cash.

1300 pounds? This IS going to be a fun inauguration.

You have to hold these guys and their supervisors accountable. Drain the fucking swamp. Shut the CIA down...Fuuuuck them.

Can they really do this? Don't worry, we're CIA,we don't follow the law, only enforce it.

I added another link to my original post.

In 2012 a CIA plane crash landed in Mexico and it had 4 tons of cocaine aboard

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/cia-plane-crash-lands-with-four-tons-of-coke-2-2512114.html

Showed "CIA ID cards".... yeah

Even if the cards were fake why do they have 10 million dollars worth of cocaine? Made by the Sinaloa cartel? Which has been found to be working with the United States government?

That's a lot of coincidences

Because they weren't actually CIA agents... they were just drug runners

This is satire

They're stealing this article: http://worldtruth.tv/two-cia-agents-arrested-by-minutemen-while-crossing-mexican-border-with-1300-pounds-of-cocaine .

WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

~500 upvotes in 2 hours for a story from the site that brought us journalistic bombshells like "AUSTRALIA: 600-POUND WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO 40-POUND BABY" and "JAPANESE WHALING CREW EATEN ALIVE BY KILLER WHALES, 16 DEAD".

Yeah, some real "critical thinkers" in this sub.

Search this sub and you'll find a lot of submissions from there, a former mod even posted one a day or two ago but deleted it later.

worldtruth.tv doesn't seem to be satire, but a little searching and I've found dozens of pieces that they've stolen from WDNR.

I asked the mods to remove this like 5 hours ago. They apparently don't remove posts with satirical sources.

They'll claim it's because of the tons of edits and efforts of OP to bury the link that is now halfway down the post ...of course the title is still there.

Presently OP is jumping at the idea that they must have unwittingly posted this to show that the CIA only permit satire to remain and this proves their drug involvement - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5oj1rb/two_cia_agents_arrested_by_minutemen_while/dck2pa8 .

We're janitors, not gatekeepers.

If that was true, they'd clean up the shit instead of featuring it in their sidebar.

But a former MI6 officer turned private eye's investigation into Trump is "fake news from 4chan" and gets deleted. Granted it probably was bullshit but it was better in every way than this. I wonder what the real distinction here is.

Yea they are a clever bunch!

Yeah, some real "critical thinkers" in this sub.

yeah, this sub fell for pizzagate hook, line, and sinker as well. idiots.

The whole sub, man! Idiots, the lot of them! Almost as if you or I aren't here.

Some of us came from /r/all to laugh at subs.

Seriously, even after the edit, OP is basically saying "Yes this originated from satire but lets try to verify it some more before dismissing it."

I'm actually somewhat regular here. I see this sub get raided a lot by right wing and alt-right sites, so we are on the same page, so I was actually mocking your generalization of us, although I see now that may not have been apparent, just now looking back at my chosen wording. A lot of us are skeptical of conspiracy theory but we are willing to at least lend our attention.

The OP article doesn't read as satire, so I believe this is more a case where a report or a media outlet falls into the category of fake news. Satire would have been more easily forgiven if not only because satire never seeks to mislead. This is not satire because it made no attempt at humor, or otherwise Poe's law comes into play.

In any case, fake news, satire or otherwise, OP admitted their mistake and made it clear that they left the post in hopes of having an opportunity to discuss the very well documented and real topic of CIA drug running in the developing world. One fake news story doesn't make it all fake. It's not even a theory we are discussing here, it is an actual historically documented issue and can be confirmed most definitively through various FOIA releases from recent years. Some believe there were related conspiracies that the U.S. CIA perpetrated against the people of the world, while being somewhat effective at taking down international drug lords, but particularly negatively affecting the poverty of the affected developing nations, Columbia, Panama, and so on.

You have to admit the pizzagate shit was getting heavily upvoted here. Seems like a majority of people here believed it.

You are correct, but you have to keep in mind Reddit's ongoing struggle with maintaining the autonomy of individual subreddit communities. As it stands, subreddit moderators still don't have meaningful ways to analyze their participation and maybe this is for the best, but it frequently leads to brigading and raids that take a huge frequency uptick during news events, like elections, but leaving banning and deletion as the only methods for moderation.

It wouldn't be anywhere near a perfect overview, but we could get a better insight if we had some trained linguistics analysis of the alt-right vs. neutral comments and ran some numbers considering commenters' newness and their loyalty to their various subreddits in which they participate. It would be even more insightful if we could see an internal report on driveby post/comment voters and their traffic sources. It would be nice if these were statistics publicly available to any subreddit.

Maybe this post will get a not verified tag? nahhhh

Those are reserved for negative trump stories

Those are reserved for negative trump stories

Yeah, some real "critical thinkers" in this sub.

Beats the hell out of websites that say things like

"Kennedy killed by lone gunman"

Kennedy killed by lone gunman

Yeah, CNN's coverage when Kennedy was assassinated was embarrassing, total mouthpiece for the CIA.

For anyone unaware, CNN was founded in 1980, a whole 17 years after the JFK assassination

That's the thing about most conspiracy theorists, they don't actually want to think critically, they just want to think that they do.

Most of them have latched on to certain beliefs/theories and blindly believe them no matter what, looking for every piece of 'evidence' they can as long as it fits their already constructed narrative, and ignoring everything that goes against it.

This exact sort of shit is part of why no one takes somewhat realistic conspiracies seriously. It's funny that so many conspiracy theorists believe that a shadow government employs shills on the internet to discredit them, when they already do such a flawless job of that to themselves.

OP is a dumb ass.

OP has gone silent. Probably embarrassed, but can we be sure he wasn't disappeared by black ops CIA satirists? Inquiring minds want to know. Top minds.

Yeah, but according to OP and the mods it doesn't matter if the story is fake or not as long as it gets people talking about how terrible the CIA is.

People who upvoted this (and everyone else besides) need to take this as a teachable moment.

A fuckton of people here are inclined to believe whatever they want to be true, do no research of their own, don't fact check their own side of the story let alone any contrary perspectives, and this is the result, a subreddit which is more of a joke than this article.

100% the CIA is running drugs from Mexico but this story does seem a little odd. I just have a hard time believing the CIA was unable to pull rank in this situation. Regardless the intentions of the Minutemen they would have to know their lives were on the line. The CIA agents also would be able to make a few calls. Those calls would 99.9% allow the CIA Agents to walk away, no mention to press and a fat little cash bonus in the accounts of the minutemen....... that or dead.

Help me find more information on it.

I can't do this alone.

It's obvious the CIA runs drugs and while we do need more verification on this story, it's hard to brush off the long list of coincidences linking the CIA to drug running

More info on what exactly. There is plenty of info online regarding CIA and drug running.

Let me know how I can help

CIA ID cards? cmon gonna need proof

Help me find more information. I'm looking as hard as I can but with as much attention as this post is getting I'm having a hard time keeping up. Help me out here

not sure how to. all signs point to this being made up.

I highly doubt they would be carrying CIA issued ID on them for an operation like this.

right there there screams made up abnd trying to discredit conspiracy theorists

stupid like the official 9/11 story of passports falling out of the exploding planes

You're right, they use decoder rings, not IDs

The source of that is World News Daily, which has other stories like this: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-hooker-who-had-sex-with-donald-trump-mocks-his-tiny-penis/

You should submit that one to this sub, see if it gets 500 upvotes in two hours like this story did. Somehow I don't think that story will get the same reception.

Haha, just did. Let's see how fast I am banned.

annnnd banned. Lasted a good hour though.

Wait a second... Something's fishy here.

If there is one thing the CIA does not do, its' get their hands dirty.

They almost always use a 3rd party.

http://www.snopes.com/cia-crossing-border-cocaine/

FAKE,

very very fake

Although I agree that this story is bogus, let's not start quoting Snopes, their credibility is on par with BuzzFeed.

Could you link to some of their articles that show they're not credible?

All of your comments on r/conspiracy seem to be an attempt to discredit posts. What's the pay like? Just curious.

Ah the old chestnut.

Yes I work for CTR, the CIA, United Fluoride, Radiation Incorporated, the California Tourist Board, and many others. I'm paid the same as this, but do a lot of hours.

Now, why not try to back up your assertion about Snopes instead of looking through my comment history? I'm not expecting you to btw. :(

"I don't agree with them politically, they don't kids Donald's ass; they're basically BuzzFeed!"

Let's also stop pretending alex jones is a credible source.

*warning, I might get banned for this.

oh shit...the plot deepens...i highly suspect this is true. note the use of cia drug smuggling during iran contra

Not sure of legitimacy of this but I'd like to point out that the "CIA plane" that crashed in 2012 was actually sold off by the CIA years earlier and virtual shows not much connection to them. Now I'm under the impression that the majority of the drugs in this country are trafficked by the CIA but evidence is only proof if its accurate.

Thanks for pointing this out.

If you can provide any additional information towards CIA involvement in drug running I'd appreciate it and I'll include it in the main post

Pretty sure if the CIA or other government agency wanted to import drugs they would just put them in some sort diplomatic bag(s)/ vehicle/plane and fly/drive it in.

I'd also hope think they would have known about the minutemen and avoided them one way or another.

Why is the snopes article published in May of 2016 but yet they use the term 'fake news'? http://www.snopes.com/cia-crossing-border-cocaine/

Please tell me you're not one of those people who believes "fake news" was a term invented for PizzaGate and never existed before?

CIA is at the top of the drug trade.

4 tons of cocaine in a plane that crashed in Mexico, as in, 8,000 lbs.... That's SO muxh, fuxk

This is my theory.

1: The receipt- simple one here. Its easy to make up a story about getting busted by the cops . If you hand the cops a receipt it's so unusual that the media is surely going to report on it. guaranteed.

why worry about the media knowing about the receipt the cartel has nothing to hide that people don't already know. As for the C.I.A involvement in all this staying quite,they could care either way. Just reading a headline on a conspiracy site on the internet sounds so far-fetched that people make up there mind before even looking into the facts.

1. C.I.A involvement?- They need to get funding from somewhere thats tax free and off grid for their little private wars they have going on. What better way to do that other than drugs? When they presented themselves as C.I.A agents it probably tied down any other minutemen and most defiently called in other forms of law enforcement.
   

So nobody in this buisness transaction was nor is scared of being outed. They are both pretty much "above the law." This was a distraction. I'm betting something way more valuable made its way across the border while the people watching the border were busy giving chase.

Preston will be pleased

How is this on the front page? This is why it's hard to take /r/conspiracy seriously.

I edited my main post to hit on all these points brought up.

I hope to have diverted attention to CIA involvement

Their real crime was they were going the wrong way. Bill Clinton's nose is this way <<points north>>

How does shit like this make it to the top and other, more credible articles don't? it's annoying as fuck.........

I'm hesitant to delete it and I will admit I didn't throughly research the sources in regards to the title I posted but I am glad to be able to raise awareness of CIA involvement in the drug trade.

Gary Webb is a good example and I edited my post accordingly.

If you have any changes or suggestions please let me know

All kinds of posts have potential here, but the ones that fit a certain narrative do well by default, particularly if they have an evocative title like this one. I mean it's just perfect, a couple of good ol' boy patriots stymie a CIA drug operation, what more could you want?

OP spreading click bait for money?

No just didn't thoroughly research the sources I presented in regards to my title I posted.

I have since edited my main post with information regarding other CIA involvement in drug trafficking

Look, I actually believe this story and I don't even need any facts. But if you use really bad sources you discredit the anti-government movement.

That's precious.

I heavily edited my post. What more can I do.

Take a deep breath, whisper to yourself, "TIFU", delete your post, and get on with the rest of your life.

But then he would have to admit he is easily duped by fake news sites and I doubt his ego would allow that.

Or maybe it would hurt him financially.

Nah, he just forgot the ancient maxim,
"When you're in a hole, stop digging."

Just delete it, who cares

One of the best docs ive seen on the CIA getting caught is The Mena Connection - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXVDEn3gsQ

Thank you for the link! Excellent information. I added it to my original post, much thanks friend.

Flush the CIA.

From what ive put together it sounds like it could be a false flag move by another agency to frame the CIA for something they're known to have done before?

This is entirely plausible. The agents could have been caught and decided to throw their weight around to effect release.

"Listen up Jim-Bob, Jason and I here are with the CIA. You are fucking up a very important mission right now and I advise you to let us go and pretend this never happened."

Smart thing to do on their part tbh. Only allow unverified, satirized news to remain, editing/deleting others. Easily discontinues anyone stumbling onto it from gaining traction.

Not saying it happened, or they did cover it. But, I mean, they an organization of that nature, they got the means to. And tbh if some lurker who cba to even read the articles or source it for themselves (me) can think of it as an idea, then the team to handle this sort of PR must have at least toyed with it.

Whatcha say? :)

This is exactly what I wish to express unfortunately not many people would agree and

2017mood ! Much love OP, deliverer of ideas :)

I don't care if it is satire!

The CIA is illegitimate! Russia! Russia! Russia!

Impeach the CIA!

That's some YELLOW FRUIT bullshit right there.

Was Preston garvey there?

more proof /r/conspiracy is just an outlet for extreme bullshit that doesn't fly in T_D

Only on /r/conspiracy would a post that turned out to be fake be left up, let alone without at least a decent retraction edited in. Its why I left this sub, and why I no longer give a fuck about this shit in general.

Nah, happens on politics too.

Difference is, politics tends to have a lot of aggressive attacks on certain politicians now. /r/politics seems to be nothing but shitposts and attacks and very few actual informative articles.

What more of a retraction can I do? I've completely changed the post and have heavily edited it and stated several disclosures. What more can I do?

A retraction would be you saying "yes, this story is completely false, but you shouldn't let that detract from the very real history of the CIA doing shady shit with drugs, and here's why..." Whereas what you actually did was say, and I'll quote you directly here,

with the amount of attention this thread is receiving, I figured it would be beneficial to point out what many redditors have said. The source of this story as well as other attempts at finding more information on it indicate it originates from satire websites. While it's important to be critical of any information, I believe we need more verification of this story and it's claims. Although I'm not going to let this go to waste, as there is a long history of CIA involvement in drug running and other black market scandals. While we are here, I think it's important to collaborate, post, and share other information and dots that can be used to see a bigger picture of what the CIA has dipped it's hands into and done. I've edited my post below with additional links provided, please feel free to contribute.

Okay, so no where in your diatribe do you say explicitly "this is fake and ought to be considered false." All you do is suggest that the story might be true, we just need to find a better source. You should not have a headline that says what your post says if you can not provide even an iota of evidence in favor of it, that is irresponsible and it actually leads people to be marginally more likely to dismiss conspiracies immediately.

So many people have said this already, but if you really care about finding "the truth" then you need to remove this thread, it makes the whole issue of CIA involvement in the drug trade look like it has less veracity.

Now that is literally the bare minimum that you need to do, come out and say without any qualification that the story that you have referred to in your post has no basis in anything empirical. At this point the case for a removal is so plain that I'm worried you are letting your ego get in the way.

Huh...so what happened to that unverified tag that popped up the other week? Wouldn't this post qualify? Or is it only for things the mods are ideologically opposed to?

Finally, some real fake news!

The original source provided with my title could be satire but the other research I've linked to in my main thread cannot be dismissed as easily

Not trying to be overly critical, but that's not really an excuse. Make a thread titled "CIA drug trafficking"--a real problem with loads of evidence presented in a way that diverse groups of people can understand.

I'm sorry but a satirical story that was discussed under the pretense of being real is a bad place for discussion and destroys credibility to those who don't give a closer look, i.e. most people.

If this place is a circle jerk, it's just an internet forum that has no effect on the real world, and which contributes to the stigma against trying to find the truth behind the mainstream story.

Jesus Christ, your denial is strong.

If anyone cares to read some good CIA,9/11 & Drug running story's please check the articles on this website and its archives http://www.madcowprod.com/

Thank you! Added to main post

I know its bullshit because they bring everything in by plane.

I didn't think it was possible to be able to shoot yourself in the head twice.

Pretty hilarious that this doesn't get an "unconfirmed" label or whatever, makes the bias laughably obvious.

That's a 650 lbs pack each.

Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker. Let's not knock down a glorified onion article because things like this might be true. But let's ignore Russia fucking with our election.

The CIA are Jews.

Preston; I've got something a little different for you......

I think this sub needs a new name. Is r/conspracy_but_mostly_just_fake_news taken?

Delete this fucking thing.

Story might be satire, or at best unverifiable, but you can't ignore that the CIA has hands in the drug trade into and out of USA.

That this is allowed to remain and not get deleted shows the quality of this sub.

This isn't true - or cannot be verified and is more than likely completely false - yet it remains.

People won't read the comments and will spout this as fact.

This is abysmal.

Another settlement needs your help moar crank.

Occams razor: what's more likely? Cartel members with fake ID, or CIA agents that resorted to driving as opposed to other options for transporting narcotics?

Just because there are dots on a page doesn't mean they form the picture you're looking for.

Why would you carry CIA IDs of the many to choose from?

You are asking for trouble doing that.

Thank you for the link! Excellent information. I added it to my original post, much thanks friend.

hahaha, I love the thought of being a CIA misinformation agent.

Thank you! Added to main post

it's illegal for the CIA to operate within the US

Well no, not really. I mean, their HQ is in Virginia, don't you think they operate at their HQ?

They aren't permitted to conduct operations on US soil. You're missing the woods for the trees, dude.