The level of censorship in this sub is quite absurd...

Nyet comrade, no censorship here.

Excuse me I take cream in my polonium.

This is what the numbers look like when the thread is organically upvoted.

Noone cares about this because most people want Russia and the US to be on friendly terms. The current situation where the US has encircled Russia with military bases and overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine and installed a puppet in order to get them to join NATO will lead to WW3.

It is much preferable to have the US and Russia on friendly terms. Unless you are saying that Trump is literally a Russian agent this is immaterial.

Exactly. The Red Scare propaganda disturbs me because I don't want another pointless war. Not with Russia or China or Syria or some other Middle Eastern country. No more wars.

So why do you think we are not on good terms with Russia right now? For fun? Remember, Obama wanted to "reset" with Putin. Do you know what went wrong? Crimea invaded in a land crime from another country. Submarines lurking off nato allies' coast. Supression of gays, of people with aids, of muslims. There is no free press, there is Putin press. The shooting down and denial of the Malaysian flight. Essentially you're saying this influence is cool, no matter how shady it is, because these people have been our ideological enemy for 70 years so let's stop. But there's a reason they've been the enemy. You're okay with an enemy influence us? You really think they'll have our best intentions in mind? Really?

You're okay with an enemy influence us?

Nobody was worried about Russian influence when the Clintons sold off 20 percent of America's uranium production to them.

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

It's very suspicious that they suddenly became concerned about Russia after Hillary decisively lost. Frankly, I'm not buying the Red Scare 2.0.

Also, the mainstream media never questioned the $20 million donations the Saudis were making to the Clinton Foundation. Apparently the mainstream media was okay with Saudi influence over the Clintons despite the Saudis being a proven enemy.

Hahhahahaha, they had the piss dossier since July. They had hack evidence conclusive since summer. They didn't release it because cucks like you would have lost your mind and said they were influencing the campaign. I am not worried about the fucking clintons man, they lost, they're gone. Recognize your own blindness. Your daddy is the shillest of them all.

You're deflecting and resorting to namecalling because you have no way of countering my point about the uranium sale or Saudi influence over the election.

Naw I just saw he was a Donald poster so I put it in terms he'd understand. Dude I honestly don't care about your plutonium. You can't make Hillary the enemy any more, and attempts to distract to her, you will find in uh two days, will cease to work at all. You will have to deal with the reality of the man you chose. I hope you will be critical at that time. Good luck friend.

You conveniently ignored all of those posts I've made in /r/WayOfTheBern or else you'd know I'm a Bernie supporter.

Also, you're still deflecting from the my main point. Russia wasn't considered a threat until Hillary lost the election. They were perfectly fine to sell uranium mines to up until the day after Election Day.

Again we have such bigger fish to fry, send me a good article and I'd be happy to look into, I got no hard feelings man I just have a priority, which is total scrutiny of Mr. Trump.

You could start with the large NYT expose that I originally posted:

NYT: Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

Nice spot, I'm arguing with same jackass shill in other thread, he's so clueless.

"The had dossier since july"

yet didn't use it before election because... it's BULLSHIT, it all falls apart so ridiculously fast.

Look at 2totwo's profile history, it's a joke what a shill he is

Account for 24 days and you're calling me a shill. Give me a break. Stop calling me a shill and give me an argument.

I don't think he's a shill I just think he's brainwashed/indoctrinated with propaganda.

The guy that brought up Hillary because...??? accusing owners of deflection. Fucking hilarious.

They didn't release it because they knew it was a 4chan hoax.

Haha you're a troll pretending to shill right?

No, Crimea voted to join Russia. After the Ukrainian government was forcibly overthrown by US organizations.

There's a phone call where a State Department discusses how to pack the new government with their cronies.

Jimmy Dore had a good video on this the other day.

US & NATO Ramping up War and Provoking Russia

Jimmy Dore had a good video

I have yet to see a bad video from him.

Putting political pressures and sanctions on an undemocratic regime that oppresses its citizens isn't war.

War itself is sometimes justifiable, as was the case during WWII.

THANK YOU. Fuck I thought I was in a political subreddit or something. Most people here don't agree with the way Red Scare 2.0 is being presented. It reeks of bullshit

Da. is good point to be making, comrade fellow Americanski

Noone cares about this because most people want Russia and the US to be on friendly terms.

Not just the populace. The General staff of the United States military have openly defied the will of the president when ordered to act in an antagonistic fashion toward Russia and Syria.

https://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/22/seymour_hershs_latest_bombshell_us_military

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Mods just removed a thread complaining about them deleting a thread.

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It's crazy how censorship can be the top comment in this sub but try hinting a whisper of censorship on /r/politics, /r/news or /r/worldnews and your comment is quickly downvoted and suppressed. Why do comments like this hit the top here, but get buried in other subs? Makes you reallly wonders what is being censored.......

Objectively a thread on conspiracy should see censorship as its number one enemy. What I just witnessed happened to this post is astounding. Months and months of bullshit baseball pizza bullshit and finally someone drops an incredible, if true, front-headline story, right here, and it's flaired to suggest falseness, and the mod makes a post saying, with no evidence, that the post is being brigaded. What was different about this post? It wasn't about pizza, it was about Trump.

Are you talking about the post that came from a CIA leak? Since when does this sub believe in anything the CIA leaks?

No, the objection of that had nothing to do with Trump.

Links? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about....

The FBI is releasing actual investigative documents for starters, albeit heavily redacted ones.

As opposed to the CIA's "sources close to an intelligence official who's in the know says X"

Really tho, has this sub been recently put on CTR's docket? Threads like this are getting heavily shilled with upvotes/comments pushing the "russian shill" narrative. It's weak and reeks of projection.

It has,

nice try shill

I've been called shill 12 times in this post along. Sounds like fearmongering to me. I'm sorry your hollow coconut of a head is unable to cogitate critical attacks on an argument.

This is one the accounts who is free to call anyone a shill or CTR without consequence.

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Well, if that's what you wanna bitch about -- go back to that other post.

http://i.imgur.com/LgfHU5j.png

I only see you bitching.

Why on earth was this post removed...? This is the second anti trump post in a week that got to r/all and then was removed by the mods...

Because it wasn't about pizza.

You sure are bright there buddy. Not like the comment he's replying to has the reason in it or anything /s

Good thing we have you to figure it out, Sherlock Holmes.

Yet another r/politics regular here to brigade and harass users of the sub, and who never posts a single useful comment. Just spam.

Account for four days calling me a shill, saying I post nothing useful when when I have 500k points here. Too rich!

Account for four days calling me a shill

No one called you a shill. But intentionally misreading posts is a common shill tactic.

Interesting how you can get banned for calling someone a Russian shill but not for calling someone a CTR shill.

Where did I call you or anyone else a CTR shill? Oh right, I didn't, you're just lying.

Where did I call you or anyone else a CTR shill? Oh right, I didn't, you're just lying.

You even have "shill" in your username. Fitting.

Dude posts to r.iamverysmart and has linked this thread in r.subredditdrama like 9 times. Do not engage. Not worth it.

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Your question is answered in the comment you replied to, genius.

You should know considering you're one of the main r/politics spammers.

You NEVER post a single useful comment in this sub. It's always harassing others, putting down the purpose of the sub, putting down users who ask questions instead of swallowing the agenda you're pushing.

Pretending you're some "regular" offended by censorship is pathetic.

When's the last time I posted on r/politics? I gave up on that sub lol and on the post before it was removed i actually did make a good point so checkmate

The deleted post said "Trump met with Russian oligarch." This post reads "Trump team and Russian oligarch Rybolovlev may have met." I'd say that's what it was. From undelete:

[#20|+2381|742] Trump met with Russian oligarch Rybolovlev on Nov 3rd 2016, week before election. Why? [/r/conspiracy]

That's fucking bullshit good god. I see posts here all the time just taking things as fact. The one unsubstantiated post saying that pedophilia is like hazing to the elite? No questions! Kill room? No questions!

I've been browsing this sub daily for years. Never before have I seen blatant favoritism of a politician. Any time anything trump related shows up, the mods do their best to lighten the narrative.

And then anyone critical of trump is a shill or from CTR.

Open your eyes. This is simply an anti Hillary sub (whom I also dislike)

This sub needs to stop taking sides on issues.

Ironically, they dropped the new account wait time, and allowed a ton of brigaders to come in here between the original post and the new version, to ensure that it doesn't hit /r/all again.

The post was at 90% upvoted, but will now never leave this sub again. A real conspiracy is here, and the mods are complicit.

Everyone saw it. Many people are documenting it.

lol you mad, huh. I'm not a trump supporter. Quite the opposite. All my comments are there for anyone to see. And you claim this is an anti Hillary sub? What does Hillary have to do with this post or my comment? Nothing. I'm anti politician and anti establishment and anti shadow government and pro middle and working class.

This wasn't in response to you, it was response to the info you've shared. Relax.

And yet all the threads that mention Pizzagate and other anti-clinton conspiracy theories as fact are allowed.

Because it was vote brigaded and full of shill activity.

we're a little more subtle here. vote barrage and gold awarding is a super red flag.

Wouldn't a shill be using multiple accounts? You can make accounts pretty easily.

Wouldn't a shill be using multiple accounts?

Depends. A smart shill would.

If they're getting organized and getting paid, I don't see why they wouldn't be getting trained.

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I always question gilded conspiracy posts, it's not like us to hold so fast.

IMO gold is a psychological trick that adds fake value to a post.

IMO your comment is a sad attempt to have someone gild you.

People here dont care about reddit gold.

What did he post? I missed it?

He said that your post was a lame attempt at wanting gold, or something like that

Nah. I gave gold once years ago, I got gold once years ago. I will no longer financially support the reddit platform. Go donate to charity, or buy/give some bitcoin or something. Don't give reddit your hard earned money.

It's a conscious tactic used by admins. Look at some of the assange threads with all-time highs for gold given in a single thread.

I have another account with over a million karma, and I've never gotten more than double gold on a post. Anytime I see 20x gold, it's near 100% certain to be bullshit.

It's a conscious tactic used by admins.

Probably why the two times I've been gilded were by a person/s whom never contact me to send the equivalent $ as Bitcoin to a fresh new address.

Anyone that has seen me regularly post on Reddit would have noted my mention of Bitcoin > Reddit gold more than once (even a post where I asked for no Reddit gold yielded, you guessed it, Reddit gold).

An appreciative gesture but, especially given any deals/discounts are impractical for me in Australia (AUD/USD exchange rates /end argument), to me personally entirely pointless.

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You got gold from an admin for pushing a narrative they like.

Lol

or your a shill

Sure. It couldn't have been from the fact this post has been linked to in subredditdrama over and over again. Or the fact that you're in that thread crying that you were "censored" due to the fact your posts just somehow keep getting linked in other subs that frequently brigade this subreddit.

Nah, it's obviously just because this sub is "pro-trump" or like I've been reading in those other subs, affiliated with the Russian government (lol, and we're the fucking delusional ones?) and people are tired of it.

But please - keep telling yourself, and your friends who love feeding off of made-up drama, that you're getting upvotes and gold from "anonymous" people who actually give a shit about what you're posting rather than the upvotes and gold coming from the asshats who've been linking this post/following the (non-np) links to this post so that you/they can pretend there's some (false) consensus.

It only takes 1 person to gild

Did the original really get deleted by the mods? That's unacceptable.

Yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

Worth noting that they didn't delete my post, even though the title did say "they met."

I guess they only feel like they need to censor anti-trump material when it hits the front page.

How is it not glaringly obvious to everyone else that this sub's mod team has been compromised?

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Shouldn't have started that brigade, then. Actions have consequences, something the Hitlery-supporter crowd seem to have forgotten amidst their Glorious Leader being given a pass on numerous proven (unless you're now going to claim the Inspector General report doesn't exist) felonies.

literally no proof of brigading, just clowns like you yelling about every chance they get. not suspicious at all, haha

Awww...somebody is upset that their safe space is being compromised.

Grow up pussy.

Oh look, an r/politics brigader come here to level personal attacks at anyone who disagrees with the MSM narrative.

Awwww....another basement dweller.

Based on your post history, you love to project your issues onto others. I guess that explains your username.

Awwww....another basement dweller.

Based on your post history, you love to project your issues onto others. I guess that explains your username.

You falsely assume anyone anti-Trump is pro-Hillary. The election is over

Lol get rekt bitch

Politics brigaded it apparently. They tend to do that.

You can tell they're doing it when there's gold in a thread or a thread has much more upvotes than a top post usually has.

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r/politics regular pretends to care about censorship (which this wasn't).

Yawwwwnnnnnn.....

What does /r/politics have to do with anything except as a deflection?

When you post anti trump stuff on a the_donald ownd subreddit these things are going to happen.

The Trump/Russia shills are out in full force here.

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Hmm two self posts with identical content and links

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5osrxy/trump_had_a_secret_meeting_with_russian_oligarch/?st=IY3OI12P&sh=d73b4faa

I'm not a fan of censoring, but posting the exact same thread they deleted is probably going to have the exact same results.

He was asked to change the title to be more speculative and less "matter-of-fact", which is why he reposted with slightly different title

Actually, the title has changed. A mod has already commented in this thread thanking him for changing the title.

They should delete this one too considering it exists for the sole purpose of brigading and spamming this sub.

only person spamming in here is you. guess that nimble america check came early huh

how many other accounts you posting with in here?

Mods deleted the previous post.

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That's an excellent subreddit to subscribe to, right up there with r/undelete

The important thing is WHY?

Both are businessmen. Shocker...

It's the business they're involved in that's suspicious, plus the secrecy involved in the (potential) meeting, and the conflicts of interest that extend from this happening to someone who was in the running to become the head of state.

It's the business they're involved in that's suspicious, plus the secrecy involved in the (potential) meeting,

Do we actually know if they met, and if they did, why would you be surprised by secrecy considering the two individuals who we are talking about? Both billionaires, who I'm sure are high priority targets.

and the conflicts of interest that extend from this happening to someone who was in the running to become the head of state.

What conflicts of interest?

It's the business they're involved in that's suspicious, plus the secrecy involved in the (potential) meeting

Any actual evidence this supposed meeting or shady business even happened?

Nope.

I thought trump said he didn't have any Russian properties or investors or anything to do with Russia? He's never even met Putin unless you count the times he said he has!

Evidence for what you are saying, please?

Check out @realDonaldTrump's Tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819159806489591809?s=09

If it was a past deal, and done. He's not lying.. Do you not understand words?

So starting new deals with Russians days before the election is fine with you? Do you understand morals and ethics?

How do you know it was the start of a new deal? You also do not even know if they actually met. You're just speculating and should label it, as such...

I always understood that was the entire purpose of r/conspiracy. You find a possible theory and run with it, looking for corroborating evidence, but since it goes against the good emptor, I guess y'all will do the opposite. If I looked through your history (too lazy and sleepy) and find pizza gate or 9/11 or flat earth stuff, will you have every single post labled as speculation?

Keep trying to spin it. No one outside of the echo chamber buys your bullshit.

Ah yes, understanding the English language is now "spin" according to acolytes of the Glorious Leader Hill Jong ClintUn.

If he has nothing to do with Russia, why is he meeting a Russian oligarch on a tarmac in NC? That's what we're in r/conspiracy to find out, so why don't you fuck off back to the_donald with your pathetic attempts at deflection?

Keep trying to spin it. No one outside of the echo chamber buys your bullshit.

Sounds to me, like someone is projecting ;) ...

I like how you have nothing to say after he responded to you.

Dafuq you talking about? You think this is instant text messaging? I haven't even seen their comment, till now. I'm not a robot, nor do I spend 100% of my time on here.. Looking at their comment now...

Took you 30 seconds to respond to mine.

I just saw it when I refreshed after watching a video on how to build something on Youtube. Jesus, dude. Get a fuckin' life....

Jesus christ dude, seriously? You're sounding like a jealous partner who doesn't get a text back quick enough.

Most people have lives and don't spend hours upon hours on reddit without taking breaks. It's not only possible, but entirely plausible that someone will refresh, see a comment, and then get off reddit for a while.

Others on mobile, might not even have notifications active and will just reply when they go back to a thread. Being an ass to someone who hasn't replied to you or someone else quick enough for your liking just makes people want to ignore you and not reply at all.

I like how you have nothing of substance to say at all, and merely spam abuse and ridiculous nonsense in every comment you make.

Not one single contribution to this sub, ever. Just sycophantic worship of the establishment, and verbatim parroting of their narrative.

No. One is the President-Elect of the United States and no longer a business man for the next 4 years.

Thank you for resubmitting this OP (with an appropriate title). The original misleading title combined with heavy brigading led to the removal of your first submission.

Although we recognize that much of the content in this sub is in the realm of "high octane" speculation, when posts artificially rocket to #1 (and thus the front page of /r/all), they become subject to higher levels of scrutiny.

Original content is what makes /r/conspiracy truly great, and we by no means want to discourage independent content.

Thank you for sharing your work with our sub, and keep at it!

http://i.imgur.com/LgfHU5j.png

go ahead and delete this too lol

artificially

Says who?

The people who don't like it

It sure seems that way, doesn't it?

The brigade was initiated by a thread from /r/politics.

That doesn't proof anything. It was on /r/all, that's where the people came from. Just because someone, where made a link. Also Trump subs do that all the time and you intentionally ignore it.

It was on /r/all, that's where the people came from.

I meticulously watched its rise from the beginning.

The /r/conspiracy mods have been on a heightened state of alertness as of late, mainly because shitposts are frequently being artificially voted to the top.

This particular post caught our eye immediately. It had 1,200+ upvotes in less than an hour...unheard of for /r/conspiracy.

I was initially baffled because it was barely in the top 100 on /r/all...then one of the mods discovered the /r/politics thread and it became very clear.

The meteoric rise was initiated by /r/politics.

As /r/conspiracy moderators, we will never let a subreddit like /r/politics dictate what hits the top of our sub.

If a post is destined for /r/all, it will get there on its own merits.

Or maybe it's because Reddit's main audience is millenial liberals who dislike Trump, hence why anti-Trump stuff gets upvoted quickly, especially with the news as it is now.

most millenials hate Hillary so they may hate trump too but wouldn't come at him with fake news

What fake news? 80% of front page could be considered fake news. That's fine though, unless it goes against the pro-Trump narrative.

Everyone on reddit sees it now. Good luck keeping up appearances over the next few months.

I agree that the previous got so much attention because of users outside of this sub. However, why have the mods been ok with T_D influencing Hillary related conspiracies? Also, do you think that having an openly pro-Trump moderator is healthy for this sub? These are legitimate questions and I really do appreciate you explaining mod actions.

However, why have the mods been ok with T_D influencing Hillary related conspiracies?

Can you cite an example?

Also, do you think that having an openly pro-Trump moderator is healthy for this sub?

Who might that be? I'm not really interested in the political leanings of my fellow moderators, I just want them to moderate appropriately.

The recent change to the reddit algorithm combined with the site's inevitable growth has changed the moderating climate of /r/conspiracy. We're still adapting to these changes.

We're not trying to censor this information.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5no219/cia_officer_clinton_lost_because_she_defrauded/

i suppose this got over 6000 upvotes "organically"

Yes? From where was this supposedly brigaded?

should i really even bother? and from the last thread

http://i.imgur.com/LgfHU5j.png

why is a post like this scrutinized but things like pizzagate are not

if youre going to delete my comments dont be a sneak about it

So today the mods are pro-trump yesterday the mods were anti-trump. I can't keep up!

I find it amusing that these r/politics regulars think they are actually convincing anyone when they

1) Can't provide ANY proof of any of the brigades they're claiming happened from places other than r/politics

2) Simultaneously pretend anyone who doesn't blindly ignore the thread where they call for a brigade against r/conspiracy in multiple comments much be sooo dumb.

The fact that this sub is largely nothing but these r/politics regulars coming here to harass real users of the sub and spam establishment talking points totally proves they want to "contribute" to the sub /s

Not saying that /pol/ or T_D haven't brigaded r/conspiracy but the thread you link is talking about one of the most (if not the most) popular politicians getting cheated out of the nomination by one of the most corrupt politicians.

The second highest post in that thread:

I think Hilary is a treasonous weasel and Trump is a stubborn, sexist, idiot. I would have voted for Sanders any day of the week, but the media and the corrupt DNC took him out of it to line their pockets and continue on with their abuse of power and continued bullshit.

So honestly that is a horrible example to compare this thread too. Especially when the original thread had undeniable proof it was being brigaded by r/politics. The mods did the right thing and would do the same if there was undeniable proof of T_D or others influencing anti-hillary/DNC threads.

Thanks for answering. Am I allowed to name a mod without being banned?

Of course! But honestly I still think it's irrelevant....unless their political leanings have unduly influenced their moderation behavior.

I don't think it's necessary to start pointing fingers unless abuse--or anything else untoward--is occurring.

Understood. I won't name him/her but you and other users can go through the mod's post history and see. I don't understand how it can be irrelevant. This sub is supposed to be neutral. Having someone in a position of power with a clear bias should be alarming to you. I'm not saying you aren't a good mod, because you are clearly taking the time to deal with all this bullshit and answer questions, but it is worrying. Also. I would like to point out that I would be equally as worried if a mod was openly pro Hillary.

I don't think it's necessary to start pointing fingers unless abuse--or anything else untoward--is occurring.

Uhh, dude. Does this mean that you want me to post modmails where the rogue mods display corruption?

Saving so I can return and find out how they dodge the question.

Keep up the good work.

So I can crosspost any topic I don't like and you'll remove it for "brigading"? Good to know.

it will get deleted again for being "complexly brigaded" by /r/all

No it won't. The brigade was from /r/politics. Many users acknowledged that they directly came from /r/politics to disrupt the thread.

You resubmitted with a better title...if this hits /r/all I promise this will stay.

It's hit /r/all.

Yes it will. Relax.

Your title is much better now too, you should be glad this is the post that represents your work.

god you people are so hypocritical its nauseating

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

What's up with this:

https://i.imgur.com/dffhhE5.png

Someone with access should look into the actual extended history of mkate

We got you fam.

https://i.imgur.com/7OfKLlI.png

Link:

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/MKATE

owher:

Sophar Property Holding

Found this from 2012: It turns out that the aircraft belongs to a company called Sophar Property Holding BVI (British Virgin Islands, I believe). The history of this company is somewhat mysterious, because some years ago it was bought by the Russian potash mining company called Uralkali, the head of Uralkali being a Russian oligarch called Dmitry Rybolovlev. At the time that it was bought, its only assets were an option to buy two private jets: a much smaller Falcon and this A319. Somehow, when Dmitry lost his position in Uralkali, it seems that he was rather attached to these jets, so apparently he bought them back (effectively buying Sophar Property Holding at the value of the two aircraft). If this is so, then he can travel around in either of them. The three overnight visits of M-KATE to Geneva this year have been on 15/16 March, 20/21 March and 28/29 April. Data from an aircraft tracking web site appears to show that this last visit came from Zurich and then went to Nice. Not exactly long flights from an aircraft which is said to have installed extra long-range fuel tanks. Mr Rybolovlev appears to be another of the eastern European rich people who like to acquire Football clubs in Europe: he was at the head of a consortium which bought a controlling interest im Monaco FC last year. Another Russion, Roman Abramovich, has long owned Chelsea FC, and will have a prime seat for the European Champions League final shortly. Other East European adventurers have been less successful, including in Switzerland (Neuchatel Xamax!).

Link:http://aviationanecdotes.blog.tdg.ch/archive/2012/04/30/m-kate-not-the-british-royal-family.html

It's hard to get solid info on this company...this is what I found so far

http://archive.is/AWwPH

Sophar Property Holdings, a Russian business and charter carrier, has their sole aircraft, M-KATE (msn 4151), an A319-133X (ACJ), at HNL.

Found this:

https://imgur.com/cYjOxF0

http://archive.is/daKeO

This is important because we can see that ...

In June 2010, Rybolovlev sold a 53% shareholding in Uralkali to a group of Russian investors: Kaliha Finance Limited (Suleiman Kerimov, 25%), Aerellia Investments Limited (Alexander Nesis, 15%) and Becounioco Holdings Limited (Filaret Galchev, 13.2%).[24] The transaction price was not disclosed, but was reported to be around US$5.3 billion.

In December 2010, Uralkali announced plans to buy potash producer, Silvinit and form one of the world's largest potash producers.[25] The merger was finalized in July 2011, Rybolovlev had already sold the remaining 10% of his shares of Uralkali to a company owned by Alexander Nesis in April 2011.

So our Russian oligarch already sold his share before the jet was even delivered...

Because you obvious fucking botters, from /r/impeachtrump who have like 2k members, but get 40k upvotes are so fucking obvious to look at?

JUST LOOK at pb2crazy's posting history, then look at the odd # of upvotes certain anti-trump shit is getting

NOT OBVIOUS SHILLING HERE

GREAT COVER BRO, TOTALLY ORGANIC USER.

Crazy how you get so many gilded posts when they are about something that is all a "MAY HAVE" because that's the best the idiots trying to scare people can do now...

ETS, and now impeach trump subreddits aren't totally botted, it's normal for most to have 40-100 votes, then one get 44k...

gtfo

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

you do have a lot of conspiracy denying stuff in the post history

I just now came across this post. I just like to say thanks and point out that the accounts that called you a shill have not commented since this post and made accounts just to try and discredit you.

I'd like to know why it matters that he met with this person. What if his intentions were to try and reverse the current mood and tension between Obama and Russia?

This whole notion that Russia is somehow the bad guys is laughable. The US has done more intervention and nation building than anyone else, yet Democrats seem to enjoy antagonizing Putin.

US created ISIS and they blew into Syria. For that Putin defends his ally. US would do the same.

It's so sad when we lose sight of the fact that Russia is a better friend than foe. As one commentator said; even at the height of the cold war there was still dialog. Obama and his cuckery seemed to throw that all away for reasons that he wanted to support the rise of the muslim brotherhood.

Trump probably wanted to assure the oligarchs that a friend would soon be back in power. Nothing wrong with that.

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

Funny how you get real silent in the face of facts...

did Hillary get cucked by bill

mods are biased.

So lets go through this claim by claim.

Trump was scheduled for a rally in Charlotte, NC and parked his private jet in a small airport.

That is false, trump had a rally in Concord that afternoon.

Source:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article112242047.html

The plane right next to it arrived that day, for a few hours, belonged to Dmitry.

Supposedly through his connection to Uralkali...

From wiki

In June 2010, Rybolovlev sold a 53% shareholding in Uralkali to a group of Russian investors: Kaliha Finance Limited (Suleiman Kerimov, 25%), Aerellia Investments Limited (Alexander Nesis, 15%) and Becounioco Holdings Limited (Filaret Galchev, 13.2%).[24] The transaction price was not disclosed, but was reported to be around US$5.3 billion.

In December 2010, Uralkali announced plans to buy potash producer, Silvinit and form one of the world's largest potash producers.[25] The merger was finalized in July 2011, Rybolovlev had already sold the remaining 10% of his shares of Uralkali to a company owned by Alexander Nesis in April 2011.

So Rybolovlev divested from Uralkali by 2011.

https://i.imgur.com/cYjOxF0.png

Shows that the plane was not delivered until 2012.

Moreover the owners of the plane is: Sophor Property Holdings

https://i.imgur.com/7OfKLlI.png

No evidence is provided that Rybolovlev is involved with this company.

It's undeniable that the Trump team, Trump and Rybolovlev were all at this tiny Charlotte, NC airport parking lot/TARMAC (tiny in comparison to Heathrow or LAX) on the same day the week before the election date.

Charlotte airport is not tiny even in relation to LAX, its smaller.

As of 2015, it was the 6th busiest airport in the United States, ranked by passenger traffic and by aircraft movements.[4] Charlotte is the largest airport in the United States without nonstop service to Asia. The airport serves as a major gateway to the Caribbean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Douglas_International_Airport

But lets grant for the sake of the argument that it was Rybolovlev in that plane. There is no evidence that he met Trump or talked to him.

But lets even grant that they meet together... they have a recent business history together.

To try to link this to Lynch who has the power to prosecute Clinton with meeting with Bill somewhere should strike everyone as absurd. The conflict of interest is apparent.

As someone who is not a Trump supporter I think we should heed Greenwalds words carefully when he said:

When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

Thanks for providing more info!

Funny how no one wants to debunk this.

Greenwald is such a boss.

So many discussion and comments from the original is gone. I'm not going to make the same post again. This is fucking sad. I hope the mods are proud of themselves.

They don't care. They are pushing a narrative to keep PG front and center, and censor anything negative about Trump. It's obvious to everyone on reddit now.

Comment on the_donald linking to the thread

But surely this isn't brigading, right? Even though the mods only evidence for the Trump thread being brigaded last night was that it was linked in r/politics...

Meanwhile, the #1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, and 10 posts on Hot right now are all pizzagate, and most are Ben Swann. The top pizzagate post even has a mod announcement, from a mod I don't recall ever seeing here, linking to the video from the post.

Yeah, this sub isn't fucked at all...

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You should get banned from this sub for censoring submissions. You are the one that violated the rules of this sub.

Wow, you mods are literally cucks. You've been brigaded by the_d for months and now you cry foul when people from other subs are brigading? Fucking pathetic cucks.

What the fuck?

Gotta that spin out to give the appearance of neutrality.

This was a bad move by the /r/conspiracy mods.

Yes.

That /r/politics thread is full of comments like this:

Link your r/conspiracy post and put it in your top comment so we can follow you in and vote it up.

/r/politics will not dictate what hits the top of our sub.

Let this post rise organically on its own merits.

Link to thread.

full of comments like this

I see literally one. But don't take my word for it, I encourage everyone to check it out for themselves

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Post this to r/conspiracy. Lots of t_d people there now, but a lot of the old crowd is still there and would be interested in this.

It's getting a lot of love. Nice work: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5osh54/trump_met_with_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_on_nov/

haha wtf

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5osh54/trump_met_with_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_on_nov/dclq50y/?st=iy3ixc09&sh=63dfc7e0

Multiple comments are linking to the thread.

Here's a comment on /r/t_d linking to the top post on /r/conspiracy.

I take it you'll go ahead and tag that one as brigaded and remove it as well?

Oh look, a Hitlery supporter lying about their brigades. Never would have expected to see that. /s

Yet another account how can accuse people of being "CTR" with no consequences.

Hilarious accusation considering this other comment from you elsewhere in this very thread:

Yup, because I'm using an alt. - u/ConModsAreCorrupted

Besides, what consequences should i receive for pointing out proven fact (proven by the many screenshots of r/politics people calling to brigade this thread)?

Oh my, I've stated a proven fact that offends Shitlery supporters, how DARE I?

Pfft.

No, it's not. It was just that one. AND that user is a provacateur:

https://www.reddit.com/r/lefref/comments/5oe4wa/we_would_like_to_welcome_everyone_and_have_our/dciqop9/

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/r/politics will not dictate what hits the top of our sub.

Sadly, as this thread (and associated brigading) and most of the threads since CTR became active prove, that ship has sailed.

Most of the comments across the entire sub are now r/politics brainwashed drones doing nothing but shitting on this sub and anyone who isn't a brainwashed moron like them.

Look at any thread about verified proof of felonies committed by Hitlery (just watch how many tards try to claim there is no proof of her crimes, despite the IG reports and the material evidence of the emails themselves), and it's easy to see this sub is all but dead as anything other than a place for r/politics fucktards to come to circlejerk about how they are sooo superior due to being brainwashed gullible losers.

You're one of my favorite users axolotl, but I feel like all the mods here are missing the point if they think Hitlery-brigades should be free to spam this sub with retarded pro-establishment trash comments. Because more or less discussion is dead due to them, and it's been like this for months. Real users aren't going to stay forever if the Hitlery-trash paid for by David Brock continues to have free reign to spam and harass actual users of the sub.

-Alt account since I don't feel like being stalked, doxxed and harassed by violent Hitlery supporters from r/politics.

Jesus fucking Christ. If The Don pushes a thread to all you won't delete it. Why the fuck did you delete this one?

Seriously I want to know why you'd delete a thread due to brigading by one sub but not another. Fuck this shady shit.

If The Don pushes a thread to all you won't delete it.

Not true.

More importantly, the original title of the thread was misleading.

We can't let misleading titles from this sub hit /r/all.

So if a misleading title doesn't make it to /r/all you'll let it stay? Why not delete all threads with misleading titles? Who are we trying to impress?

It's not about impressing anyone it's about gaining credibility with the people that still believe everything CNN says.

Well if that's the case, then nothing about PG should be allowed here. This sub has lost all credibility by pushing PG and pro-Trump narratives. The only place where that isn't true, is in a conspiracy sub.

How ironic.

Oh look an 11 hour old account trying to discredit pizza gate. You wont even say pizzagate.

Not gonna work. Sorry.

Keep wasting your energy though...

Yup, because I'm using an alt. Users here are having long term accounts banned for being anti-trump or anti-pizzagate. Other subs are documenting it.

Yup, because I'm using an alt.

LOL

Dude all you do is post anti Trump anti Pizzagate shit...who do you think you're fooling?

Other subs are documenting it, so enjoy it while it lasts.

Oh yeah what are other subs documenting? How much of a joke reddit is? Yeah we've known that for a while. Try to keep up.

Yeah, I've been posting for 12 hours. It's not all I do, it's what I've been doing since the blatant censorship on this sub yesterday.

Anyway, have a good one.

That's what I thought.

Run along now.

Oh don't worry, I'm here, and I'll be here. But I know when to disengage with certain users. You can try to chase off dissent, but you're only fooling yourself.

You're wasting your time no one believes your disinfo.

I know when to disengage with certain users.

Yet here you are, still engaging. LOL.

Might wanna rethink what you "know".

I'm a 3 year old account that discredits PG. Does that make a difference to you? I'm guessing no, because you've made your mind up that satanic pizza parlors exist. So don't try and dismiss someone based on their account age.

How do I know you're a different person than the guy I was responding to? He admitted to using multiple accounts. You can't even get your own age right...you're 5, not 3.

I know deep down you guys know pedophilia is a problem among the elites but you're here solely to discredit, or prefer living life in ignorance, it's one or the other.

Either way...I feel bad for ya.

How do I know you're not actually me and I'm so bored that I'm arguing with myself through 3 accounts?

Dismissing PG doesn't dismiss the fact that pedophillia is a problem in all areas of our society. It's just dismissing the fact that there isn't one shred of evidence that this comet ping pong place or those emails have anything to do with it. Clinton could be eating babies to gain their soul for all I know and I am not saying she is or isn't. I'm saying this PG stuff has nothing substantial behind it.

But go ahead and continue to call people pedo's for not running along with this ridiculous story that is clearly bullshit. You'll be rewarded handsomely young neckbeard.

Dismissing PG doesn't dismiss the fact that pedophillia is a problem in all areas of our society.

Actually, you r/politics regulars coming here to push pro-establishment narratives are doing exactly that: Pretending that there haven't already been multiple exposed pedophile rings in governments in order to deflect from the issue and provide them cover.

Keep beliving whatever you hear on the news. It's what all the intelligent people do.

r/politics regular here to brigade. Yawwwwnn.

Before you point it out, yes I'm indeed using an alt because I don't want to be stalked, doxxed and harassed by violent, psychotic Hitlery supporters from r/politics.

Russian shill here to complain. Yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn.

Russian shill here to complain. Yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn.

When did I last post in Politics? Please show me? I'm in conspiracy a lot more than most other subs. True I hate Donald Trump but I am not a Clinton supporter and you can see my history proves that.

But I shouldn't respond to a russian bot, I'm wasting my time.

It is true, and other subs/users now have proof of it. People are logging the actual conspiracy here, that some of your mods are both Trump supporters, and pushing Pizzagate for profit.

Your pro-trump/pro-PG mod banned dozens of long time users yesterday for nothing at all, but allowed T_D posters to harass everyone as they pleased. This isn't new, but it is being recorded.

Don't be surprised when this blows up in your face. Maybe you should think about it. Or, maybe you're taking part in it. Screen shots and modmails say the later is true.

Basically he's saying Reddit stepped in and quashed the original thread when it hit the front page.

It is what it is. We all know how Reddit is. Give the sub mods a break.

Because conservatives are always victims. Everyone is out to get them.

I mean when you call someone who isn't a racist a racist continually they do eventually become victims. It's called bullying.

I guess they need safe spaces where they can be racist without being called out on it.

Yup it's conservatives that need the safe spaces...what a joke.

Go back to r/politics. You're not fooling anyone. Even with the artificially inflated upvote numbers.

http://i.imgur.com/LgfHU5j.png

Allow me to quote myself from the post you just deleted once it reached the top: I've seen a lot of mirror postings between here and the donald's frontpage of late, yet I have never seen them flaired as this post is. Can you explain this discrepancy?

don't hold your breath.

To delete the thread that go to /r/all so the MSM doesn't catch on and make a big deal of it

The MSM, to my knowledge, does not use /r/conspiracy as a resource.

and then suppress any other attempted threads.

This thread is at the top of the sub now. It's not being suppressed. You're not a victim here.

Your original thread's title stated, unequivocally, that these two individuals met. The content of your post does not prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Bullshit conspiracies get routinely submitted and downvoted to oblivion. They aren't worthy of flairs or moderation.

However, if a post from /r/conspiracy hits /r/all with a misleading title, it automatically qualifies for greater scrutiny from the mods.

All I wanted to do today was play pokemon but I got caught up in an international conspiracy

These two things aren't mutually exclusive...

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5oj1rb/two_cia_agents_arrested_by_minutemen_while/

then what is this?

• https://i.imgur.com/5qKFFvN.png

Incompetence?

Suck a dick jerkwad. You are fine with brigading from 4chan and voat and t_d in your pizzagate threads but not this? This sub has gone to the birds.

http://i.imgur.com/LgfHU5j.png go ahead and delete this too lol

Thank you for resubmitting this OP (with an appropriate title). The original misleading title combined with heavy brigading led to the removal of your first submission.

Holy mother of god you guys are so full of shit

Unsubbed, I used to love this sub. It's gone too far downhill since pizzagate.

"Brigading" yeah ok. The mods being so Pro-Trump is so annoying.

You might as well rename the sub to r/politics2 since every thread is nothing but them flooding in with retarded pro-establishment talking points and downvote brigades.

is it possible to ask the admin to ban any link from those brigaded subreddit like how politics did with the_donald?

I'd like to know why it matters that he met with this person. What if his intentions were to try and reverse the current mood and tension between Obama and Russia?

This whole notion that Russia is somehow the bad guys is laughable. The US has done more intervention and nation building than anyone else, yet Democrats seem to enjoy antagonizing Putin.

US created ISIS and they blew into Syria. For that Putin defends his ally. US would do the same.

It's so sad when we lose sight of the fact that Russia is a better friend than foe. As one commentator said; even at the height of the cold war there was still dialog. Obama and his cuckery seemed to throw that all away for reasons that he wanted to support the rise of the muslim brotherhood.

Trump probably wanted to assure the oligarchs that a friend would soon be back in power. Nothing wrong with that.

You guys' censorship is evident to anyone with eyes to see. It's very Streisandy.

Glad to hear that we're removing posts with misleading titles now.

Fuck you

Bravo Mod

Real-time tracking of Trump's plane wasn't disabled. I tracked it from time to time myself.

Funny how in the time since the mods deleted your first post (what did they claim was wrong with the title anyway?) until you were able to post this one, all the skeptics seem to have come out..

Perhaps you should do a meta post on how shady all this went down.

Actually figured you're gassed from all this. Maybe do a "Recap" of what went down tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm the man for the job, howveer, you were definitely man for this job, fucking fantastic work both in your product and your fight for it. And funny how the conversation became about modding not the content..

I want Politico, WaPo, NYTimes reporters to go and validate that FBI/CIA etc know about this from their sources and put it on TV non stop. This is some real explosive spy level stuff you have told us, lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5otnhj/another_shitstorm_erupts_in_rconspiracy_when_a/

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And do you have the records from that day?

Of course you would. The whole point of these posts is to discuss potential conspiracies and the evidence surrounding them, not push some sort of baseless narrative, right?

He did have a rally in NC that day... so his plane would probably have been there... but I don't think the photo of his plane posted above was actually taken at the NC airport.

Must have been disabled because his daughter Ivanka was using the plane that day.

Lol dude, you realize that meeting a rich Russian dude makes complete sense for a rich American dude, and so does one selling the other a house... What worries you so much about their meeting? I'm glad Trump has ties with Russians, he won't be outright hostile to Russia for no reason like a bunch of our politicians. I'm not even talking about the current bout of hysterics, rewind to 2012. Our leadership tends to "other" Russia. It's always bothered me. I was very worried about Mitt Romney in 2012 for this reason.

You do realise the allegations and conspiracy around the Russians helping Trump win right?

Yeah, but that doesn't mean Trump is their operative. Putin hated Hillary's foreign policy and saw a chance to get things going his way. Remember, Putin said, "It's war" if we elect Hillary. It's a leap in logic to suggest Trump is implicated in a conspiracy with Putin.

hostile to Russa for no reason.

Wow man how out of touch are you?

Wrong.

Okay, now that we have a fresh start on this thread, I will try to get some discussion going. Your evidence is superb and I think you might be on to something. I would just recommend editing your first paragraph claiming that they did indeed meet. Otherwise, you're just giving people bait to derail the conversation. If we get enough eyes on this, hopefully we can dig up some more evidence of a meeting actually taking place

The admins already removed this fake news. I hope they continue removing this spam.

Prove it's fake.

No evidence that it's true. Just another distraction from Clinton's pedophile ring.

Natch, the lack of evidence for pizzagate isn't a deterrent for you.

This person is a troll masquerading as a rabid Trump supporter.

You are the one spamming with this bullshit claim it's fake when the OP ACTUALLY provided legitimate evidence. And you don't even acknowledge it you just call it fake news and spam and hope people believe you

Evidence of airplanes at airports

Evidence of what is superb? That Trump probably got a good deal on a property up for auction?

That like most properties he gets, he upgrades and sells for more?

Of the booming real estate market from 2004 to its peak in 2008?

Of a deal that earned him 0.005 of his net worth? Like many other deals he's done?

The evidence that they were in the same vicinity at the same time. As we saw with Clinton and Lynch, we shouldn't discount any potential meeting. But the fact that the OP isn't editing the post to clarify that the meeting isn't proven makes me a little suspicious.

I was referring to your first paragraph, not the title. I see you edited the first sentence, but the last sentence still says:

Undeniable proof ignored by MSM... but why did he meet Rybolovlev on that day?

Reeeeee!

autistic pizzagate troll. nothing to see.

Funny you should say that...

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

Ho, ho!

Hee, hee!

He "may have met" anyone at that same airport, it's ridiculous to assume that he "may have met" that person anymore than the 20000000 other people who went by there the same day.

The plane right next to it arrived that day, for a few hours, belonged to Dmitry.

Where's the picture of both planes next to each other? And if such a picture exist, why isn't there speculation that he met everyone else from all the planes around where he was parked?
For example, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwYUx2KXUAArRoO.jpg, who's the owner of the tiny ass plane? Hasn't he met with that person?

Trump team may have met with Russian billionaire and businessman Dmitry Rybolovlev, on November 3rd. A week before the election. Undeniable proof ignored by MSM... but if so, why did he meet Rybolovlev on that day?

Undeniable proof that they may have met?
And why do you immediately go to saying "why did he meet" as if that's been proven?
"Why would he have met" could make sense grammatically, because before asking why they met, you have to kinda demonstrate they did.

Where's the picture of both planes next to each other? And if such a picture exist, why isn't there speculation that he met everyone else from all the planes around where he was parked?

Seriously? That’s how you’re going to try and argue this? How about maybe because non of the other people at the Airport, on those planes, are Billionaire Russian Oligarchs with power and influence? How about non of those people are important. Huh, did you consider that? Did you try to use critical thinking at all?

If we found out Silvio Berlusconi also had a plane parked there, we may speculate that he met Trump as well, but not the RyanAir budget airline passengers on the next plane over. Use your brain ffs.

Like it’s clear you are trying so hard to defend you Dear Leader, and you’re clearly as dumb as he is.

It's Nov 3rd. Trump had press on the plane. He had his schedules public. He had crowds everywhere.

Even the closest picture would put them at hundreds of meters of tarmac away. He had Secret Service spiriting him to rallies from his plane. He did three rallies that day in different states.

So, he meets a guy who bought a house off him. Is the guy supposed to have given him something? He's a fucking multibillionaire running for President, the only way for some Russian spy who now apparently exerts massive influence over a man richer and more powerful than him is to meet in person? On a tarmac. With "Trump" written on his plane. In a state he is scheduled to come to. With the whole airport facing him.

I remember to have read that he doesn't trust any kind of electronic communication and likes to send oldschool notes and letters. Interesting find OP. Let's see what will come up from this.

I find your suggestion to be most plausible way of communicating.

These are all good points

He had 3 rally's that day: Concord, Salem, and Jacksonville(FL)

I don't see any proof he was at charlotte on that day(beside's the OPs Twitter photo of his plane)

We have a proof that his plane was at that airport at some point, that's it.

Say it were true, who cares?

Did bush ever hang out with Saudi billionaires

I assume is a puppet. If he were not, wouldn't friendly relationship with Russia be a good thing? Maybe less chance of world war 3, the one with the fireworks

Given the hundreds of years of us interference with other nations politics dealings, such as installing puppet dictators. It's laughable and sad how salty some can be when the tables are apparently turned.

With that said, the MSM narrative of the Russians are evil is dumb

I agree, and I support closer relationships with Russia. There have been so many claims of Trump having nefarious ties to Russia, but no proof has materialized yet. I'm willing to let people dig as much as they can to prove anything, but I admit I don't expect much to come of this.

but but red scare!! yeah i'm fine with russia.

what i'm not fine with is: ctr, ministry of truth legislation, pizzagate cover up, hillary shilling, soros bullshit engineering, and dyncorp fake ass terrorism... to name a few.

Ha!

Ha!

But I thought he had no dealings with Russia?

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819159806489591809

One person doesn't count as a country. Not a shill, just saying.

you aren't. Just look at his motherfucking history. A quick scroll.

Hey. Respond to me for one second.

But I thought he had no dealings with Russia?

Do you count private home sales as 'deals.' Pretty sure he's talking business.

Russia =/= Russian billionaire.

Evidence of what is superb?

OP didn't even post evidence of this deal.

Of a deal that earned him 0.005 of his net worth? Like many other deals he's done?

Proof of his net worth?

Fetch little doggie.

Username is a lie, apparently.

Citation is not required.

You have zero interest in sources anyways.

You probably have zero understanding of business as well.

So what do you want? I'm not your fluffer.

Citation is not required.

Then there's no reason to believe you.

You have zero interest in sources anyways.

Uh? No? I absolutely am.

You probably have zero understanding of business as well.

Okay, just moving on to insults and baseless ad hominem, I see.

So what do you want? I'm not your fluffer.

Wow someone got hostile quick once asked for sources.

I didn't think you were going to believe me anyways.

I absolutely am.

www.google.com

Okay, just moving on to insults and baseless ad hominem, I see.

If you have no understanding of business, it's merely a fact. If you do, then you can simply say; I do.

Wow someone got hostile quick once asked for sources.

You are not really asking for sources though, are you?

LOL this is such a joke of a comment right?

CTR trying to get /r/conspiracy to do their dirty work, and they don't even have a thread of base...

I you look through my history, you'll see I'm one of the most vocal people about calling out the lies behind the anti-Russia propaganda. Some other users have already made good points that poke holes in this theory, and I'm confident that the truth will win out at the end of the day. That being said, I'm open to discussing anything and I go wherever the evidence takes me

Then list the ACTUAL fucking evidence...

you said it was superb, but is ther any proof they met?

not "MAY HAVE MET"

it's all bullshit

unlike the "I still know and keep in touch with " -( known sex offender hassert ) from the one podesta brother

see how one has actual link, actual fact, actual hard evidence when a person emails from his own email talking about having just talked to and keeping in touch with someone?

So where is the evidence you're following again? or linking?

Mainly I don't want to see this community divided over partisan issues and concerns about censorship. I would like to see everybody's ideas get discussed here with as little bias as possible. In this instance, I won't support any claims that they met without proof, but I'm also not afraid to discuss the possibility

Ha, ha!

Wasn't it Ivanka not DT?

Well the picture she posed for and the subsequent article about it. I'm mobile, won't google it but if you are desktop take a look

I'm going to call BS on this because you clearly didn't even try to look. The top posts when you google "Ivanka Trump Charlotte" are Nov 2 articles saying she will be in Charlotte the next day campaigning for her dad.

All that work to plant a fake conspiracy here. I hope you are at least getting compensated for this.

Why is Dawg1shly lying? There's nothing in his post he can lie about? He posted the #1 google search and you're calling him a liar? Shit..

You're the one who's lying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dclyx68/

"I can't find anything..."

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ivanka+Trump+Charlotte

I never said it was Nov 3rd, neither did Dawg1shly? Can you read?

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5dpq1t/how_did_less_than_stellar_high_school_student/da6euir/

You don't even live in USA. You're a Liberal. You mainly post in Politics and dislike Trump. You're the shill, not me. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/shill

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Anti-Trans, Anti-Porn? Kys

You're the one lying buddy. This entire thread was created for the purpose of bringing your brainwashed followers over from r/politics to brigade.

Don't try to deny it considering there are screenshots in this very thread.

Jesus you're a twat.

Yes it was Ivanka not Donald. Nothing to this fake conspiracy.

That's the 2nd not the 3rd.

Hopefully this thread will be upvoted naturally and not artificially.

Anyway, Trump may very well have connections to Russia but to what extent is the real question. It's obvious though that US state propaganda is overestimating Russian influence on the selection... err.. I mean election. Russia has been demonized for several years now so it's probably part of the agenda.

Hopefully this thread will be upvoted naturally and not artificially.

Fat chance.

https://i.imgur.com/7OfKLlI.png

Link:

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/MKATE

owher:

Sophar Property Holding

Not in any way a regular. I thought this was supposed to be a free and open discussion.

The first I was of this was as the #20 post on all. No politics "brigade", despite the fact that anti-Clinton conspiracies are often based on more dubious evidence and are never touched.

All I see on my travels through all from this sub is anti-clinton, BS pizzagate shit. SHE LOST, GET OVER IT! I bet you've used that a few times recently, eh mods?

That's twice now that anti-Trump rhetoric has been targeted by the mod staff. It's almost as if there's a conspiracy...

Moreover, numerous posts are mirrored from r/ the_donald to this sub but never flaired by moderators as such.

I think we're onto something. Quick, we need a push pin board and some red string!

Who's Pepe Silva?!?!?

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That's so weird because all I saw were a bunch of sheep from /r/all bitching about the sub and mods.

It's almost as if there's a brigade...

You can brigade on all now?

THIS IS HUGE? TO THE TOP!

Well, yeah... How do you think CTR works? They manipulate everything that falls into /r/all's path. Where have you been the past year?

Who is this 'they' you speak of? I would like to get to the bottom of who 'they' are that control CTR and make it work.

Are you serious? It's literally an organization founded to shill all over the internet. What the fuck do you think they do with all that money?

Who is paying them now? Do you have any evidence that they're still active?

There's also the DOD, with Operation Earnest Voice. They have a bunch of full-time employees that just troll the internet all day long.

That is not responsive to my question

Wait - are we joking cause 'freedmason', or, does this actual 'they' exist?

I NEVER joke about freemasonry! (just kidding)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

How does one get in on that action? Sounds like a sweet gig that can be done remote in Thailand or another cheap ass place to live.

You have to enlist. I think it's mostly Air Force.

You belong here: /r/iamverysmart

Claiming that CTR doesn't exist in order to defend them is sheer genius. Never seen that one before.

So, CTR is one organized group? Or is it a decentralized ideology of correcting records?

4-day-old alt account, nothing to see here. Shouldn't you be posting Killary memes in the_deplorables, little guy?

CTR. It's not like they're a secret. Pretending they don't exist doesn't actually make it true.

We have FTC filings, genius, your "brilliant strategy" of claiming they don't exist will not work on anyone but your brainwashed brigader friends from r/politics.

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OP, stop trolling.

In a 2004 auction, Trump snapped up the property from Gosman's Chapter 7 Bankruptcy Estate for $41 million, according to property records.

During the 4 year period, property prices were rising quickly. Assuming Trump made a decent deal, as he is known to do, puts some money into and flips it when the market peaks.

In such a situation, depending on how much he spent renovating it, he makes somewhere under $50m.

That represents .... 0.5% of his wealth. So 0.5% made from sales to Russia, and 99.5% made doing the exact same shit elsewhere.

Now, it is a nice deal and I'm sure he enjoyed it. But...

He bought it at an auction. He didn't pay market price. He sold it at the peak of the market.

So, we aren't talking about getting $50m out of nowhere. You compare today's market value, but he CAN'T get profit.

Neither can millions of other home owners. In fact, millions that bought at the peak had their homes foreclosed on. Others, who could keep them, CAN'T get profit either.

Trump on Nov. 3 was not a public figure, had top notch security but needed to meet this Russian in person because ....

The important thing is WHY?

Why with the media hounding him about Russia and the best privacy money can buy, a huge staff, and a very public schedule with crowds meeting his plane would he give up everything for some random Russian?

A Russian who "did not make any other trips to North Carolina in recent history". Wow, so you're a law student, eh?

Very cunning use of language. So, this Random Russian has been there before not too long ago. Gotcha.

Hmmm:

The realtor who sold the house has stated that he never move...the Chinese do it all the time!

Again, I don't know if this is a clever play on words, such as he's been renting it, but (haha) he never moved in, or is just you providing a common example of what rich Chinese people do (I say this married to a woman from China): overpay and never move in?

This is one of my favourites:

Trump's son made 6 trips in 18 months to Russia before 2008–then a Russian oligarch showers Trump with $95M.

The opportunities for lawyerize abound. But let's go to the most striking. You go from just basic he bought it at auction for fair market price (he wouldn't), didn't renovate (he wouldn't), watch the property market increase by 55%, and then sold it for $95m, making a profit of $32m more than the worst case scenario and that becomes:

a Russian oligarch showers Trump with $95M.

Well done.

Really good post that blow OP's bullshit straight out of the water. No wonder you have no other replies.

Yeah. This insanity about Russia is just retarded. There's more evidence that Podesta is banging kids than there is Russia hacked the election or there's any nefarious connection to Trump. These people are desperate and sad.

That represents .... 0.5% of his wealth.

Can you source Trump's wealth? I was under the impression most of his valuations are based on counting the value of his properties without subtracting the debt owed on them.

Can you source Trump's debt?

http://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/01/trump-fec-filings/513389/

Based on his FCC filings

That's the benefit of keeping his companies private.

The only source who knows is Trump.

And you knew that.

And still asked.

But you didn't believe it.

And still won't.

Any more tickets for the merry-go-round or all tuckered out?

Where is the proof they actually met? Or is op just assuming they did?

OP Assuming.

Russia scary. Trump bad. EVIL PROVED

The shills are upvoting this bullshit so hard now as well. pathetic and see through.

Oh shit someone who doesn't agree with Russia propaganda! Must be a shill!

The memo existed in July.

MOTHER JONES, SALON, so many super liberal journalist had this info BEFORE the election, after they digged into it, no one would touch it with a 10 foot pole.

why?

because the only thing you could prove, was 100% FALSE, i..e when you make a cornerstone of a person meeting someone in a country...

then it's revealed that person has never even TRAVELLED to that place (prague)

then guess what? the rest falls apart.

Now let's look into all the posting histories of idiots who keep pushing pissgate...

How amazing, they all shit on pizzagate, which has some actual leads, weird questions, and history of people with pedophile connections...

vs a fucking out of touch retired guy's memo's which even the DNC shitted on...

try again /u/2totwo

Don't swear at me, is that what you need to make arguments? Swears? Call me a shill when your account is 24 days old? I'm not going to go down the spiral with a blind child like you, but I'll give you this. His family was in Italy at the time (sources have shown his daughters instagram there at the time of the supposed meeting.) He could have gone across borders and not been stamped, as that is how travel works once you're in the EU. Besides he only showed the cover of his passport as proof... have you ever flown? Did they stamp the cover?

LOL GREAT EVIDENCE, and arguments yourself... what did you resort to?

"Blind child like you"

Don't want to discuss the fact that 99% of your posts are Anti-pizza gate, and PRO - pissgate

even though one has proof of connections and the other is 100% bullshit that has 0 sources...

oh daughters on instagram = oligarch meeting to discuss nwo? ok... solid

Almost as solid as having an actual suspects literal email talking about how he keeps in touch with a pedo... older podesta bro to hassert.

See the difference?

Shill - to act as a spokesperson or promoter. Get the fuck off Conspiracy and go back to Politics.

What a coward! You didn't even try to argue my statement. Just same old sad shill calls. Get a life, but first, get a brain.

You're LITERALLY A SHILL! How hard is that to understand? What is a shill? "a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty."

Do you actually believe he cross 5+ country borders to go to Russia?

Oh my! Someone used swears at me! I'm so hurt!

Haha ok

This isn't your blog. Making one line, no content posts like this is going to get you comment-restricted real quick.

Ok? I've been making content driven posts all night. That post, while short, still got my point across. It's ridiculous to think it hasn't been debunked. You are daft to think otherwise. Anyways I'm not worried about one short comment. That won't get me comment restricted when it's about 1 out of 20 but thanks for your concern

It's ridiculous to think it hasn't been debunked

The editor of the publication did it. You are wrong. Stop. This is not honest discussion, you are pushing a demonstrably false narrative, and it's becoming tedious.

https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/819297285309919232 https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/819315955922649088/video/1 https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/status/818978955965464580 DIRECTLY FROM BuzzFeed Editor-in-Chief "there is serious reason to doubt the allegations"

That's not debunking my friend. That's called honest journalism. They can't verify, but felt it was in the public interest to release it. If they were unhonest like Breitbart they would not have made such an honest statement. However the guy who got the intel is a top source and discovered the Fifa fraud.

So you admit there's no proof and most outlets have debunked it.

Bye.

That's not debunking my friend.

THAT'S THE EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE FUCKING PUBLICATION!

Ah yeah, you know, except that the guy the fake dossier claims was there was a different guy with the same name, and that was the bulk of the claims outside of juvenile bullshit about peeing on a bed in a hotel room.

Totally not debunked /s

Except by every media outlet.

Thoroughly debunked, and withdrawn by the publishing organization.

Russian billionaire just taking a nice vacation across the entire world to Concord, North Carolina and just happened to park next to Trump

So Hillary can have 8000 coincidences and no one bats an eye but Trump has one and let's freak the fuck out.

Better deflect to Hillary!

Oh look, a regular of r/politics here for the brigade, and who never posts a single constructive comment, just harassment.

Oh look, a four-day-old alt of another T_D regular who does nothing but accuse anyone critical of Trump of being a CTR shill.

That can be applied to you too, but instead of posting to politics you have a 4 day old account.

Did the old one get banned?

Ironic username or weekend agenda?

Why not both?

Bullshit, people didn't let Clinton get away with shit.

Just sending TS SCI and SAP classified documents to Sidney Blumethal, random IT companies, her maid, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia.

The fact that Hitlery zombies are so brainwashed that they believe that and a host of other felonies is "not getting away with shit" is astonishing. Or maybe just par for the course, for the most brainwashed, uncritical segment of people ever to exist.

First of all, that's a shitty tone to take. Second of all, the majority of my front page has been people constantly calling out Hillary for shit, so yes that's why I say people aren't so keen to let her "get away with anything."

Secondly, I would just like to point out that you're wearing your bias on your sleeve, what with the username" fuckoffCTRshill".

Thirdly, before you even say it, no. I do not work for CTR.

Let's take a moment to promote look at things objectively, yeah?

Dude, don't even sweat it. Check his account - literally 5 days old and title "fuckoffCTRshill"

Have you ever seen something that actually screams shill more? I don't even like that term but goddamn, he ain't even trying to hide it

People don't matter. That much is obvious. But the media and more troubling, the DOJ, let her get away with everything.

I know I'm on the conspiracy subreddit, but I refuse to believe that people don't matter anymore. Whatever side on the political spectrum you fall on you gotta believe that you still have the power to change the world in sufficient numbers.

So she's in jail right?

What power do people who are not in law enforcement have to prosecute someone? Mobs don't dish justice, courts do. People (whether justified or not) call Clinton out on everything she did, which was my entire point.

So people let her go with it right!

Um... no? People haven't forgotten about the things she has (and hasn't) done, they just don't have the power to prosecute or put her on trial.

Which is why so many voted for her? And she hasn't been charged with shit, despite clear evidence and statute saying what she did. Textbook open close page.

So many people voted for her because either A, they didn't care. B, they didn't know. Or C, felt like she was the better of the two options regardless of any wrongdoing.

Over 100 million people had favorable views of her. So wrong again

You seem to have missed points A, B, and C of my post. All three of those factors could and would contribute to a favorable view.

A wouldn't, b is impossible, they'd hear it but dismiss it as right wing conspiracy, c would still constitute as unfavorable

I'm not quite sure what you meant when you addressed point A, your retort for point B is just flat out untrue as it assumes everyone knows exactly what you know, and your retort for C is not necessarily true.

Everyone knows, they just think k it's a right wing conspiracy for some of her supporters. Even cnn and the like talk about them then dismiss them as such. C is literally they dislike trump more than Hillary of which there were quite a few. Her favorability rating was low as trumps.

Pretty sure this sub was pretty harsh on Hillary and all of her misdoings for the past few years.

#1 thread of all time is about Hillary's IT guy Paul Combetta aka stonetear being an idiot

#5 of all time is about the amount of money she's received from weapons companies

#6 is about Hillary accepting money from George Soros

#8 is about a thread about Hillary "finally" hitting politics

Let's not forget all the Benghazi discussion that's happened here, or the Clinton Foundation talk.

Fair point. I think conspiracy has an influx of partisan people who get very defensive when it's their candidate under the magnifying glass. I'd say from a conspiracy standpoint there's a lot more clinton coincidences to work with, but we shouldn't dismiss this incident if there's some evidence that supports it

What fuckin world are you living in? lol

http://imgur.com/a/baZGv This guy was in NY, Las Vegas, North Hollywood, Chicago, Miami, U.S. Virgin Islands, France, Saint Louis, Berlin, and Charlotte. All within 2 weeks or so. Looks like he is going on a nice vacation.

Looks like he is going on a nice vacation

Looks like you've never been to Charlotte...

Which, by the way is the location of the HQ of Bank of America, which could have been the reason for his visit.

Which could also make sense under the circumstances of a potential HRC win -- war drums were beating (they still are?.. however faintly). Might make sense that the guy was making financial preparations for that outcome.

time to finance both sides of a war?

Or business. Those are banking hubs

This op doesn't prove that with links provided.

It's almost like we're in /r/conspiracy or something

Lord have mercy, I have been through this like five times today already. Conspiracy theories require evidence.

Yeah, there's quite a bit up there. You're just so interested in keeping your beliefs you'd see a picture of the meeting itself and be like "they could be talking about anything!"

I find it funny that the same people having an issue with Clinton and Lynch meeting on the tarmac find no issue with this. They should be interested in the implications of both. The fact that they don't is really telling.

The difference is that Lynch pretty much had final say in whether Hillary got prosecuted.

"Useless without pics" - in this case there are apparently none? In the other (Clinton/Lynch), there was clearly a face to face meeting, behind closed doors, to discuss grandchildren, BBQ's and other niceties...but assuredly nothing about the case or verdict.

You’re kidding, right?

This is one of the most likely conspiracies going on right now. But there’s no proof?

Meanwhile the other top voted threads right now are about how a triangle in a cartoon means it’s a paedophile ring, that the words cheese pizza is code for child porn.

You guys just love Dear Leader Donald, can’t accept that he is a corrupt pos.

Why would anyone say cheese pizza? Pizza has cheese. Its like saying wheeled car, glassed glasses, cheese cheeseburger. Cheese pizza is code for cp has been for a long time. It makes zero sense to say cheese pizza. Just wanted to make that point.

Dude, cheese pizza is pizza that doesn't have toppings aside from cheese. I've been saying it literally since I was 5.

You might be part of a child pedo ring and you never knew it.

/s just in case

gotta call it plain cheese then

That is probably the single most retarded comment I have ever seen. My sister is a vegetarian and I have grown up having half and half pepperoni and cheese pizza.

Your sister is retarded if she says cheese pizza.

I guess, I, my parents, and every pizza place we have ordered from are retarded too. Welp.

That doesnt change the fact that cheese pizza is a CP reference, does it? I admit I was wrong, Im sorry. Do you admit that the fact that people say cheese pizza does not mean it cant be a CP reference?

Please tell me you're joking, the term "cheese pizza" has been used for quite a long time by people who don't like any toppings besides just cheese and pizza sauce. Typically eaten by little kids with developing taste buds.

That would be a plain pizza.

Yes, its also known as plain pizza. Both the same thing, just referenced different. Its like some people call soft drinks "soda" or "pop".

Pizzagate has more proof than any conspiracy out there right now

top proof of pizza gate is fake news denying it

wrong sub buddy... this has been r/thedonald2 for a few weeks now

It's an r/politics drone pulling together as much conspiratard bullshit as possible in order to create material for a thread worthy of brigading.

See here, proof of r/politics tards brigading: https://i.imgur.com/6hNFpXB.png

They want everyone to believe what they KNOW IS RIGHT!

It's right because of their FEELINGS.

They're not tards. They're shills. It's an operation.

How often have you (or anyone reading) ever planned a giant, coordinated vote brigade?

Lol at two accounts a few days old discussing others being shills 😂😂

Comedy gold

I've got a whole database on them. It'd be easier if they didn't switch accounts so often.

Literally never, feel free to scour my comments. I mostly post about Magic cards lol

But let's see...you've been with us for 24 days now? My, that IS a long time. And you post exclusively in r/The_Donald and r/conspiracy?

Hm...Interesting stuff. I believe anyone with a brain will draw the proper conclusion.

Literally never, feel free to scour my comments. I mostly post about Magic cards lol

I didn't say YOU were.

But let's see...you've been with us for 24 days now?

And I magically learned how to be an elite karma whore in that time? I have another account in the top 500.

This my "thought crime" account that I roll over from time to time.

Hm...Interesting stuff. I believe anyone with a brain will draw the proper conclusion.

I WISH someone would pay me to post the truth about the US government all day. Do you know anyone?

How often have you ever planned a giant, coordinated vote brigade?

You literally implied it just moments ago

And yeah, my other account is /u/gallowboob , this one is just for fun. See how easy that was?

You literally implied it just moments ago

What does the pronoun "they" mean to you?

And yeah, my other account is /u/gallowboob

I'm not a submitter. I'm old school. Comment karma all the day.

Seriously, do you want to bet me I can't get this account to 100,000 karma within 3 days?

Sure, let's see it happen.

hit me up when you hit 100k!

$10 isn't enough. This would be like a good 50 hours of work.

I'll throw 25 on that. You cannot get that account that high that fast, sorry

Can confirm.

Did you get into century club yet?

You need 100k post or link Karma for that.

That's right, it's one or the other! I forgot. You're close, though.

I'd like to, but 25 isn't enough. It would probably take me 50 hours of industrial-grade autism to get there.

Not hard, just say what people want to hear. Telling people what they need to hear, that won't work as well.

Not hard, just say what people want to hear.

That's literally it. Know what reddit likes, go to Askreddit, and comment on stuff that's in top-last hour.

I'm not a submitter. I'm old school. Comment karma all the day.

What does that even mean

Bruh, do you even karma-whore?

Maybe you should get out of the basement. If you're spending your time developing a database of users on a forum, you desperately need to get a life.

If you're spending your time developing a database of users on a forum, you desperately need to get a life.

You're telling me, pal.

You realize he's talking about you, right? Very hypocritical of you accusing others of being shills when all you do is post on The Donald and Conspiracy. Reddit has a lot of other cool things outside of political talk you should visit, unless your Russian handlers don't want you browsing reddit on company time.

You realize he's talking about you, right?

Yeah. I like to laugh at myself from time to time.

Very hypocritical of you accusing others of being shills when all you do is post on The Donald and Conspiracy.

I already said, this is my "thought crimes" account.

Reddit has a lot of other cool things outside of political talk you should visit

I have another account in the top 500.

unless your Russian handlers don't want you browsing reddit on company time.

Nyet.

Ok good to know. I was just hoping you were oblivious of his response to you. Keep up the good work agent. The_Donald will need a report by 0700 hours.

Keep up the good work agent.

Wait, are you getting paid? I have a resume!

Yes, anyone who doesn't want to be harassed, threatened, and doxxed by violent Hitlery supporters from r/politics and uses a new account to avoid that "must be a shill".

Guess everyone who disagrees with you is a shill now?

Brilliant logic there Einstein.

You know what? I had a long response typed out but it's just not worth it.

Your account is 5 days old, your name literally has "shill" in it, you're not worth the henpecking effort. Dasvidaniya

a giant, coordinated vote brigade?

Op dumped a lot of the same links and info in a different thread, someone says "this belongs on conspiracy [because it doesn't really suit discussing it on the comment thread]" and the op made a thread here. Someone linked it, stupidly, and people interested in the content followed it.

While it certainly meets the literal criteria for a brigade I don't see any coordination there, let alone pre-planning.

While it certainly meets the literal criteria for a brigade I don't see any coordination there, let alone pre-planning.

Right. They're good at what they do.

He is assuming. Trump was in Concord on November 3rd and flew into Concord Regional Airport hours after Dmitry's plan had landed in Charlotte.

There is no proof that picture of Trump's plane is from the same day. Trump was giving a speech in Florida when Dmitry left Concord. I see no proof that they were at the same airport at the same time.

Trump did not meet with this guy personally as he was at a very public rally in Jacksonville at the time this guy's plane stopped over in Concord. Secondly, there is no evidence that Dmitry Rybolovlev has any clout in the Kremlin.

http://dailykos.com/story/2017/1/5/1617288/-Is-Dmitry-Rybolovlev-Putin-s-Secret-Courier

https://www.politico.eu/article/donad-trump-and-the-oligarch-russia-dmitry-rybolovlev-house-vladimir-putin-us-presidential-election-america-2016/amp/?client=ms-android-att-us

Notice the time the supposed "proof" picture was taken at ~6PM. Long after Drmitry plane had departed.

So this is shills shilling? Also why would he meet a week before the election, the Russia involvement was supposedly hacking, which occurred months in advance, not that late in the race.

OP and CTR response:

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELET THIS

Notice the time the supposed "proof" picture was taken at ~6PM. Long after Drmitry plane had departed.

Which picture is that? Was it taken at 6 or was it posted at 6?

Title literally says "may have met"

Yeah. This seems like a campaign by nefarious actors. Are the shills now trying to infiltrate our subreddit and fool us into spending our energy on Trump?

There is none. This is r/politics trying to spread misinformation in this subreddit, nothing more. In other words - he's a dumbass.

In the interest of having all relevant discussion from the deleted thread available, I am going to copy pasta my comments from that thread. OP has since edited to make the corrections I pointed out, and I feel like this is a worthy topic for the sub.

Will be adding my original comments shortly in an edit to this comment.

You are welcome. I thought about it for a moment as I didn't want it to appear as though I am karma-whoring. But I genuinely feel like you've brought forth a great topic and as such this new thread should have any and all relevant comments from the previous thread.

I don't think it'd be a bad idea for you as the OP to go, and gather a few of those relevant comments and repost them in this new thread.

I am curious about why you think Charlotte Uptown would have occult influence. Though it does make sense considering the banking/finance sector here. I also take a look at the Charlotte Observer and they clearly push some agenda in their writing as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/analysis-of-the-occult-symbols-found-on-the-bank-of-america-murals/amp/?client=safari

I can get on board with the fact that they were both there at the same time, but I don't have a paid flightradar account to find out for sure...

But from what I can see that picture of Trumps plane in the OP was not taken at the NC Airport... if you cross reference the two there is no way you can make them match up... NC only has a very small area with the "parking lot" lines painted on the pavement... and none of that area has the same configuration of Air Traffic Tower -> Tree -> Hangar -> Tarmac as is seen in this photo.

The theory that they were both there at roughly the same time holds up... but the fact that the picture of Trump's plane was added in as some "bonus photographic evidence" detracts from the narrative.

Oh it's not disinfo... I'm just asking for more info cause I can't square it away in my head... I just don't think the Trump plane pic that was originally posted was at the NC airport... I think his plane was probably there... I don't think that picture is of the NC airport... The air traffic control tower/buildings are wrong.

I'm not worried about MKATE... I just can't place the Trump pic anywhere at that airport...

So folks, the proof that the plane is connected to a Russian oligarch is this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2eAn7HUcAAIUVn.jpg

We see this is false in several ways.

First the airplane belongs to Saphor Property Holdings a company from the British Virgin Islands

And Secondly it is not a 25 seat plane rather it is a 142 seat plane.

Evidence is here:

https://i.imgur.com/7OfKLlI.png

But since it's a private jet, it's not like he would have coach seats in there. 25 seats seems pretty reasonable for a private jet of this size

A company which was purchased by Rybolovlev's company Uralkali, when he sold the company he kept the jets.

https://imgur.com/cYjOxF0

http://archive.is/daKeO

This is important because we can see that ...

In June 2010, Rybolovlev sold a 53% shareholding in Uralkali to a group of Russian investors: Kaliha Finance Limited (Suleiman Kerimov, 25%), Aerellia Investments Limited (Alexander Nesis, 15%) and Becounioco Holdings Limited (Filaret Galchev, 13.2%).[24] The transaction price was not disclosed, but was reported to be around US$5.3 billion.

In December 2010, Uralkali announced plans to buy potash producer, Silvinit and form one of the world's largest potash producers.[25] The merger was finalized in July 2011, Rybolovlev had already sold the remaining 10% of his shares of Uralkali to a company owned by Alexander Nesis in April 2011.

So our Russian oligarch already sold his share before the jet was even delivered...

That wasnt his whole share. It says "a 53% shareholding".

First Flight 14. Jan 2010

So, first flight doesn't mean he necessarily owned, but "delivery" also could mean separate things besides ownership delivery. Regardless, you buy a plane like this well in advance. The order could very well have been put in before the share subscription was signed.

Ferried XFW-ZRH-STN-BSL 20. - 21. Jan 2010 for cabin outfitting

You are right, it seems Sophar was sold in 2010. Now if we can only connect this company to Rybolovlev after its sale we would have something.

The capacity of a standard A319/320 is about 150 passengers. One modified to the tastes of an oligarch will seat substantially fewer people. (Trump's own 757 seats 43 people rather than up to 200 passengers for a typical commercial version.) Observing that it is owned on paper by a holding company is a pointless red herring.

Ok how about this...

https://imgur.com/cYjOxF0

http://archive.is/daKeO

This is important because we can see that ...

In June 2010, Rybolovlev sold a 53% shareholding in Uralkali to a group of Russian investors: Kaliha Finance Limited (Suleiman Kerimov, 25%), Aerellia Investments Limited (Alexander Nesis, 15%) and Becounioco Holdings Limited (Filaret Galchev, 13.2%).[24] The transaction price was not disclosed, but was reported to be around US$5.3 billion.

In December 2010, Uralkali announced plans to buy potash producer, Silvinit and form one of the world's largest potash producers.[25] The merger was finalized in July 2011, Rybolovlev had already sold the remaining 10% of his shares of Uralkali to a company owned by Alexander Nesis in April 2011.

So our Russian oligarch already sold his share before the jet was even delivered...

How about you actually provide some evidence that Rybolovlev is connected to Saphor.

http://johnhelmer.org/?p=3910

"A year earlier, when Rybolovlev’s future at Uralkali looked like blue sky, the company’s financial report for the six months to June 30, 2009, had reported: “On 27 January 2009, the Group acquired a 100% stake in the share capital of Sophar Property Holding Inc., the only identifiable asset of which as of the date of acquisition was a contract for the purchase of a corporate business jet. The total purchase consideration for the acquired subsidiary of RR 753 [million](US$ 23,196,232) was equal to the net fair value of this contract. At 30 June 2009, the Group paid in cash RR 462 [million]; the outstanding amount of RR 291 [million] was included in other payables.” In other words, Rybolovev had arranged for Uralkali to start paying for his new toy on an instalment plan. How much more Sophar’s aircraft-buying on Rybolovlev’s behalf was to cost Uralkali was not reported then – or later."

Yeah, and Rybolovlev sold his shares in Uralkali by April 2011. Did Sophar Property Holding stay with Uralkali or did it transfer?

You're evidence links to an Airbus A320. As for the Russian billionaire his plane is an A319. I'm not savvy when it comes to planes but I'm not quiet sure you can just change the model on your registration that easily.

Unless you're epstein

Where does it say Charlotte in the pic you posted? I can only see "NC Air National Guard."

This quote is in response to a poster I was debating with that sums up how I feel...

"I wonder of those three million votes what number wasn't a result of ballot stuffing and busing in illegal immigrants over the border to vote. The Midwest states (my home state of Michigan among them) remember what it was like to have jobs in their region, they remember what it was like to earn a livable wage independent of government assistance which only gives enough crumbs to quit them, they remember what life was like before NAFTA of which Bill Clinton signed, sealed, and delivered to the moneyed interest. The trade deal that ruined their lives and opportunity, they knew full well that Hillary Clinton would usher in the equally if not more destructive TPP and wanted nothing to do with it, and so, they went with man who said he would (and did) destroy the TPP, restructure NAFTA, and give them back their lives.

That's why I voted for him and that's why he won. Now we'll see where this goes.".

Because the question I responded to was from a post in the thread before this one that talked about this Russia nonsense.

Weak attempt at deflection, comrade. Try again.

What is or is there any connection between Rybolovlev and any of trumps appointments? I think that's a serious question that should be asked.

Never has the phrase "Russian oligarch" been utter as frequently as it has since the faked 35 page dossier used it copiously.

Right? I mean has it even been a week since the pissgate story ran? I guess the Russian thing is sexy. They've put so much into it they have to keep pounding it out. This is the real conspiracy here

It's the only way to get the civil war Soros paid for at this point... hard to destabilize a currency without destabilizing a country... and if you can't get the politicians to do it... you have to make the citizenry do it.

Where is the proof that your picture of Trump's airplane is at the Charlotte Airport?

This article says that Trump flew into Concord Regional Airport. According to the flight history of Dmitry's plane, he had left Concord and flew to Charlotte well before Trump would have arrived.

Trump had an earlier speech at Noon EST in Florida. After his speech in Concord, he left immediately for another speech.

I'd like to see some more evidence. At least with Bill and Loretta we had local news leaking the pictures, which led to the national news being forced to talk about it.

Trump's real estate sale to Dmitry was already talked about in the news back in July, 2016. Looking into Dmitry's history it appears that he was trying hide a lot of money from his wife whom he went through a very messy divorce. According to the Telegraph, the divorce started in 2008.

It seems like it is more likely that Trump got lucky and ran into a very motivated buyer.

Trump was in Charlotte on different dates. He was never in Charlotte on November 3.

Being somewhere on the same day is not the same as being there at the same time. Dmitry had probably left Concord hours before Trump arrived.

30 minutes away from Charlotte airport is not being at the Charlotte airport.

Your claim is that they were at the Charlotte airport at the same time, when you have yet to prove Trump was there.

Trump gave a speech at Concord, which according to past articles, he used the Concord Regional Airport and not the Charlotte Airport as his arrival destination.

Dmitry, according to your flight records had left Concord hours before Trump would have arrived, because he was giving a speech in Jacksonville, FL.

And not be that asshole that's now using the MSM after calling them fake news, but if Trump himself was anywhere NEAR a Russian billionaire that close to the election, especially with the Russian wardrums being beat in the debates, they would have rushed it off of the presses before anything was verified, just like the fake "dossier", we definitely would have heard about it.

Even if it was Ivanka who was meeting him or anyone else.

they would have rushed it off of the presses before anything was verified, just like the fake "dossier", we definitely would have heard about it.

Did you even read the news last year? No one covered the human trafficking, the Russian money laundering connections, the mob connections. No one in mainstream media. The information was all there, but even MSNBC rolled over and spread their legs for him.

Human trafficking wasn't able to be tied to Trump, Russian money laundering claims were suspect but no hard evidence, and mob connections were there. Definitely. But no evidence, even circumstantial evidence other than their connection. All are fishy for sure. You saw what happened when they put out ONE thing that was unverifiable and look what happened.

Point being, the media WAS in the tank for Hillary, but they wouldn't touch it because all of those are pretty serious so they need hard evidence. So something as simple as meeting a Russian billionaire that would be verifiable and make him look worse, would have been easy to substantiate if called on it. That story would have hit the airwaves quickly, especially with how much press his last minute stops in close states got.

The media was in the tank for both of them. It kills me that so many people on a sub called "/r/conspiracy" don't see that and set themselves up as such rubes.

It's certainly possible, highly unlikely they were in the tank for both considering the ramifications of "fake news". Not only that, those correspondents and talking heads are terrible actors.

Big question though, why? And you don't have to be so insulting.

We pretty much renamed TV "Trump TV." He was on all the time, on every station. Even now, the most liberal stations are downplaying the words of our intelligence community in his favor. One can say that he's a Liberal himself and always has been - but that's not the only thing at play here. News organizations have downplayed complicated corruption stories and instead giggle at his antics for clicks and views.

So for ratings, clicks, ad revenue, etc.? Makes sense but it's shortsighted because once your credibility is shot, you're screwed. CNN is losing big time viewers who are going to Fox, NYT is losing money, all hit Trump and lost.

I just don't get the endgame I guess. State-ran media? But this those "journalists" become...well, nobodies. No brand anymore.

Metrics. Is the great evil that permeates the USA. Hit your numbers this quarter, you get a bonus. Don't think past that.

The media was in the tank for both of them.

LOL

Unless the FBI told the press not to publish due to an ongoing investigation...

Maybe Trump is mostly trying to put the brakes on the rush to conflict Democrats and the MSM seem to want.

Follow Adam Khan - @Khanoisseur - on twitter. He broke this story weeks ago and is diving deep on the Trump-Russia connections.

Absolutely essential source.

It was Ivanka Trump in Charlotte that day. Dad was in Concord.

So?

Also, for what it's worth "that day" is the second, pictures are of the third if I'm not mistaken.

Wrong. This was a different day. Stop spamming misinformation.

He's also got info on the Rosneft stuff. Probably would yield an insta-ban here if we talk about it.

The Rosneft stuff is compelling to say the least.

Funny that no one around here seems interested in pursuing these connections...

There are people here that have interests in pushing authority and people that are boiling frogs being induced to suck authoritarian cock. Just like out in the real world. Just sucks because I always thought of this as a place to talk about actual conspiracies, but touch a certain topic and you get lololol trolls up the ass (and sometimes fun death threat PMs) that keep you from actually having a good conversation about it.

What's crazy is that the tendrils and connections here (and associated deaths/disappearances) are extensive and well-documnted in the public domain. That in itself is worth its own sub...then the implications of our intelligence agencies hiding this stuff from us. Conspiracies within conspiracies...

Yes sir, there are layers to this bitch.

I think the resistance to the topic in this sub is a mixture of ignorance and malice. There are people who don't want to look into Trump, and there are people who don't want you to look into Trump.

The latter group is concerning.

On another note, I agree that this topic needs its own sub. If there isn't one by next week I just might take the dive.

Gimme a yell if you do it. I'd really like an anti-corruption sub, just the trick of getting people involved.

Will do

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Wow is this story going to blow up when the MSM gets it's teeth into it. Doesn't seem to be any evidence of who met with who at the airport but there is sure a lot of smoke.

I disagree with your comment on 'history with suspicious real estate deals". Trump wouldn't be the first nor will he be the last to make a massive profit off a high value property. Sure bribing people could involve real estate purchases but that deal happened 10 years ago...what did Trump do for Russia to give him millions way back then? You can't be implying Russia owns Trump and has owned him for 10 years now...are you? I don't think Trump has given much value to Russia in all those years.

So far I only suspect a meeting. Trump meets lots of very rich people. This one is Russian. Difficult to make the leap to Election rigging and Quid Pro quo. Good story to investigate however!

CNN still getting over the massive 4chan troll. Going to be tough to recover I'd be shy too!

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Probably means they looked into it and couldn't find anything huh?

Who won the popular vote again? And which side of the spectrum actually watches TV?

Will the MSM get its teeth into it, though? They've downplayed every major Trump scandal.

There is so much media aligned against Trump I just can't imagine some of them look into it and run with it no matter how limited the evidence really is. They may be waiting until after inauguration.

That's the thing - if he's a national security risk (and all signs point to Yes here, he seems way more compromised than WJC and I was agog at that mess), why wait until after the inauguration? You get the sense that a noose is tightening, but impeachment is a slow thing - WJC was technically impeached, but it didn't reduce his power in any way. And for what it looks like he's actually guilty of - is there any precedent for what to do about it?

All governments understand that the transfer of power is a very critical and important time for a country. Reporting that Russia was supporting Trump was undermining his legitimacy. If evidence that Trump met with a Russian Billionaire piled on top of that you could honestly get worried some 5 star General might surround Washington DC and take Trump into custody prior to the inauguration. I know people will find that 'crazy' but it happens all over the world and Russia has been the big scary boogy man for Americans since WWII. The military is serious about it's concern that Russia helped Trump win and if they suspect Trump is still connected to Russia they will implement already made plans to impose martial law and take control of the government. Yes, they have made those plans.

You have to be so delusional you should seek professional help to believe the media has been "downplaying" anything about Trump.

Ridiculous fantasy land nonsense.

Say it a few more times, maybe it will be true.

Oh wait - it won't.

If you actually want to have a real debate, have one, but your empty-headed talking points and insults convince no one.

That's hilarious coming from a Hitlery-supporter who believes Hitlery and CNN literally dictate reality. You're one to talk.

I am not a Hillary fan and any view of my comments for the past several years would show that. Try again.

You realize that you're not going to find anyone who plays with a version of "facts" where the MSM is pro-Trump, right? That reality isn't real. You made it up in your head. The media is comedically anti-Trump. People in the fact-based community are waiting for you to have a lucid moment so they can have that real debate you're asking for.

Best comment in thread, gets downvoted by people from /r/politics. They think the downvotes hurt his feelings because they project the pain they feel when downvoted.

Wow is this story going to blow up when the MSM gets it's teeth into it.

I'm doubting it. Generally the MSM doesn't spend time on stories that take more than 60 seconds to explain and involve more than 2 "connections." You'd think given the 24 hour cycle they'd have time, but I think they just deem things like this too complex for the average viewer.

This is TIN FOIL HAT. You should have great shame for self spread rumors this sort, sir. Trump is STRONG LEADER America need.

Sorry my Enlgish not so good....I mean strong leader America need.

The MSM isn't reporting on this because they are secretly on the Trump Train and are about to reveal themselves as track suit wearing Russian paid hackers then OMG Hillary is President and I'm literally shaking. So you have pictures of airplanes at an airport and some weak speculation. Not a conspiracy.

Hahaha you made me almost spit out my beer. Nice

You should make another conspiracy post for the bullshit the mods just pulled with that private message

Despite Trump claiming no dealings I personally don't care if a politician is doing business with Russia, good, more power to them. This anti Russian rhetoric is getting really old especially when it's a-ok to openly do business with countries like Saudi Arabia

Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Monaco-based fertilizer king has a net worth estimated at $7.7 billion. In 2008, he bought a 17-bedroom Florida mansion, pretentiously named “Maison l’Amite,”or the Friendly House, from Trump for $95 million.

Now he says he wants to tear down the Friendly House, reportedly due to a mold problem, at a cost of $234,000.

Possibly owing to his divorce woes, Rybolovlev later told a court during a deposition that he didn’t even own the house. Trump replied in the press that “somebody paid me $100 million” for it.

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/06/trump-s-russia-towers-he-just-can-t-get-them-up.html

It would be helpful if you provide links.

It's still accessible, why not just link to it

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5osh54/trump_met_with_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_on_nov/

it didn't go well for him so he wanted to try again

Weird that you'd be downvoted for this.

https://therealdeal.com/miami/2016/11/21/russian-billionaire-sells-first-of-three-palm-beach-lots-for-34m/

lol at your link to a totally non-political real estate site getting downvoted

Man, r/conspiracy is the most fascinating shitshow ever

As you will notice, this thread is slowly lowering in vote percentage as the real users of this sub get to the post. It was at 80+% when I first got on this 2nd one and was already gilded....it has been dropping steadily as more and more people of /r/conspiracy read it

LOL

Prove it was brigaded.

Plenty of others have posted pictures of people saying they came from other threads

i dont see any pictures.

still no pictures huh? that's what I thought.

The pictures are throughout the thread haha. And in much higher comments than this one. But I somehow have to hunt for you

Prove it.

How about the numerous screenshots from r/politics calling for people to downvote users on this thread?

You're such a genius for claiming that you didn't come here to brigade where there are literally multiple screenshots and links to those comments in this thread.

So more heresay, no proof.

So a Trump shill spends 30 seconds creating a "concern toll" account and cross posts something so that mods can claim it was brigaded and remove it. HOW CONVENIENT.

Reported for shill accusation :)

Yes, I use a throwaway because Hitlery supporters have proven themselves to be extremely violent, unhinged nutjobs (all the riots, faking "attacks" etc).

Also, this is hilarious coming from an r/politics regular who comes here to spam MSM talking points and is PRETENDING to be a regular here, despite no contributions of substance ever.

Brilliant rebuttal, you're exactly the sort of person I was pointing out.

No history in this sub, no contributions to the sub, just attacks on anyone trying to comment civilly, and spam comments of verbatim MSM talking points.

Pretty tenuous grasp of the English language you've got there. I never accused you of being a shill, but man you really overreacted to the idea that someone did. Interesting.

Why not talk about the content?

I have been in plenty of other comments lol. I was just noticing a trend from the threads as they developed

Can I ask you something unrelated? Why do you use 'lol' that way?

Because the question you asked me was pretty silly. I didn't think that needed explanation. Hence why it was funny to me. I have used it a few times tonight, not overly often, and in the same fashion. Do you need any other basic language broken down for you?

I didn't ask you any questions, I just noticed you posted LOL and lol everywhere.

Why do you use that everywhere? Where did you learn it? Do you get how it makes your comments look?

I just looked at my comment history. I did it twice. Calm down haha

HAHA every single one of my posts that were in the positive a few minutes ago are suddenly at 0 or negative. I don't care about karma, but it is odd how they all changed at the same time

The important thing is why?

Possibly to talk about how to stave off the push for world war three. No big deal.

Soros paid for a big show... too late to give up on that now!

How does this conveniently become guilded with no actual evidence that the two met? The odds are eventually that Trumps plane will be sitting on the tarmac at the same time as another billionaire, the fact that he was Russian doesn't necessarily mean Trump did a deal with Russia. But hey, if you are right than I would like to see the evidence, until then this is wild speculation.

They definitely met before this. They have a long association.

We should just believe you because you have zero evidence /s

Brilliant argument.

Um, he bought his fucking mansion: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/27/news/donald-trump-russian-deal-mansion/

here we go again - gold for an anti trump post - so obvious

Account for one month.

Regular t_d poster crying about anything to deflect. Surprise.

/Salt

idiot

I was a bernie supporter - go gag on your delusions

Then you apparently moved on from that to become a T_D regular.

I gave him gold on my an alt account. Because I'm sick of people trying to sway the narrative and hide anything negative about Trump.

Deal with it.

Uhhhhhh...we're on to you. Troll

Why do you have 2 comments with a six month old account, yet speak in the "we"

We're on to you, t_d poster alt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

This is just as sad and reaching as any of the Pizzagate nonsense.

You guys should downvote me for this because it's unrelated, but I've gotta get it out:

I have a dream, and it's that when I wake up tomorrow, both Trump and Clinton are charged for their crimes and corruption. Meanwhile, the Democrats and Republicans realized they were all compromised, greedy assholes and decided that, for the good of the country, they're inaugurating Kasich and Sanders on Friday. In a quiet, non-denominational (I just Freudian-sliptyped non-demoninational) ceremony, at Camp David, and no one's leaving their posts just yet.

Okay, all done. Back to reality, which, you guys and gals have to admit: is fucking surreal.

Can you link to the deleted thread? In scrolling down, I'm seeing a lot of reference to it?

I would ask why it is that we can post whatever we want here, for the most part, without censorship, but the second a real conspiracy theory is posted that threatens certain powers, it's deleted, but I know the answer already.

What makes this a real conspiracy compared to others?

It was deleted because the upvoting and comments were so obviously manufactured and the entire thread brigaded. Not because it's real or not.

Also, for there to be a conspiracy, there has to be an illegal act or a plan to do one. It was a well researched post but "May have met" doesn't really scratch the illegal surface.

Having Trump supporters as mods of /r/conspiracy is like having cattle ranchers be mods of /r/vegetarian.

It's an unbelievable conflict of interest that wouldn't stand if any of the more vocal users were a really interested in conspiracies and not pushing an agenda.

The mods of this sub are corrupted. Many accounts will call you a shill or "CTR" but they will never be banned. Many accounts were banned today for benign comments. This place is full people pushing a narrative about PG for profit, and trying to stay extremely right-wing.

Time for a new sub.

My comment is still relevant from the other brigaded thread ( thanks for the confirmation mods):

Let's remind everyone that this is r/conspiracy and NOT r/politics. Let's not give into the DIVIDE, the trolls nor the shitty propaganda trying to disrupt us. I encourage everyone to search for the answers yourself. OP seems to be onto something BIG. Read into the details. Read between the lines.

P.S. Coming from +5 years at Reddit, it was clear as day that thread was being brigaded.. Last week was pushed so hard that they were easily called out. This last thread was a bit different, they learned.. They were trying to mask the manipulation. STAY WOKE.

Soros Shills working overtime!

I made a post about this, and was downvoted into oblivion. Just weird how the time of day affects a posts votes so much. Or maybe it was something else that influenced it, Idk....

It's because CTR gave it a boost this time...

Another account claiming CTR... These are always upvoted, with no proof, but thread about Trump are removed... Wonder why?

Again, the account "fuckoffCTRshill" can call anyone a shill, say anyone is brigading, basically do whatever they want. No warning, no bans, no deleted comments.

I support the name but never saw a post from that one

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Besides this, I want to know why CNN owner made sure that Trump got billions in free news coverage. He met with Trump in public and talked with him in private. I would love to know what that relationship means. Him calling CNN fake news might just be a way for him to look like he isn't colluding with them.

CNN also hired Lewandowski, knowing he was still paid by and working with the campaign.

Shady ass shit, that's what.

I would love to know what that relationship means.

With 81% negative coverage it means CNN hate him

But that coverage helped him get elected. I'm just saying that they knew any coverage of him would lead to Trump being noticed more. Whatever game they're playing, it's a lot deeper than we can assume.

So if they really wanted to help they'd given him 100% negative coverage? What would happen if they gave him 100% positive coverage?

Like I said, I wouldn't assume anything. Time will tell us what their relationship actually means.

You didn't even prove they met Nov 3rd and outside of that provides zero sources for these claims:

The property he bought for $95 million from Trump, in 2008, he is trying to sell in 2016 and CAN'T get profit. He divided it up into three lots and he barely broke even on the largest most expensive lot. Clearly not a good investment property. Also interesting to note: Trump's son made 6 trips in 18 months to Russia before 2008–then a Russian oligarch showers Trump with $95M. The realtor who sold the house has stated that he never moved in.

Wait. Why did Trump (or staff) 'may have met'?

Lol dude, you realize that meeting a rich Russian dude makes complete sense for a rich American dude, and so does one selling the other a house... What worries you so much about their meeting? I'm glad Trump has ties with Russians, he won't be outright hostile to Russia for no reason like a bunch of our politicians. I'm not even talking about the current bout of hysterics, rewind to 2012. Our leadership tends to "other" Russia. It has always bothered me. I was very worried about Mitt Romney in 2012 for this reason. You guys don't realize it, but you sound like McCain, Fiorina, all those twats. Do you really look up to them?

One thing that was overlooked... the fucking smoking gun!!

http://i.imgur.com/MwxGojB.jpg

They met for a little pre-election piss play.

Occupy Democrats? Fucking really? LOL

Removed. Rule 10.

Who cares so Russia is pro American cool

Could it also not just have been a business meeting if they did in fact meet? I just started reading the Art of the Deal and in the first 30 pages or something he already talks about a project right across from the Kremlin that he was going to do in cooperation with the (at the time) Soviet government.. So he has had contacts there for a long time. And come on, Trump making a profit off of a house he sells is something he is very good at. He does this all the time with whomever I don't think its necessarily money laundering like you're assuming. What I do agree on though is that Trump's relationship with certain people from Russia goes back further than he'd like to have you believe. But again, I don't see why this even matters - whats so bad about Russia? I think he's only denying the relationship he has because the media is making Russia out to be the new big evil all of a sudden..

Hmm, it’s strange for a sub that should be very eager to investigate some very convincing circumstantial evidence is trying to shut this thread down.

Half the comments here are “where’s the proof” despite many threads on this sub getting upvoted based solely on news articles and anecdotal evidence.

The other half of the comments seem to be about Hilary Clinton, clearly a derailing tactic as the election is over, there’s no need to bring her into the debate.

Seems there are more than a few people on here who are very invested in not letting Donald appear corrupt or in any kind of bad light.

Say anything about Donald and they jump in to defend him, berate you, and moan about Hilary.

It could be because people are comparing this supposed "meeting" to the actual documented behind closed doors meeting between WJClinton & Lynch. That comparison sort of triggers the Lolz.

Anyone with half a brain knows what you're trying to do here.

Pick your answer:

A) Trigger delusions B) Provide logical answer to complaint of OP

I made a post about this before you did, and it was upvoted and upvoted and upvoted, to I think around 25 or something, then I checked back about an hour later and it had been downvoted into oblivion and had a bunch of pro-trump comments and people calling me stupid.

The brigades are real, but they aren't coming from /r/politics.....

I didn't look into this too much but I agree with what you are saying. My question is why wouldn't the MSM absolutely shit on Trump for this if there is evidence? Or have they already shitted on him?

If only there was a word to describe this kind of shady practice.

I am really let down by this sub after reading this thread.

OP has presented some interesting circumstantial evidence and half the supposed free-thinkers on here are dismissing it out of hand without even questioning it!

They’re immediately jumping in to back up and support the most powerful man in the world.

Usually the members of this sub talk openly and freely about these issues, about the corruption of the government, of our officials, of our presidents, but when it comes to Trump why does everyone have his back? Why aren’t you guys even trying to question him?

Perhaps this is all a load of rubbish, but it deserves to be treated with an open mind, which is usually what this sub does, apparently not when it comes to Donald.

but when it comes to Trump why does everyone have his back?

It sure seems like everyone, or at least the red-blooded majority by and far does have his back, doesn't it? Perhaps that's why he will be the next US President on Friday (Tomorrow. Wow!)

How about this imagine if 20% of the other 100's of conspiracies ran through here are true. That's why. That's why nobody seems to care about circumstantial evidence of airplanes at the same airport during a period of time when Trump and his every move was heavily monitored and documented by both MSM and sitting government. You really think if they met, or even head-nodded a "wassup?" to each other a week before the US Election that CNN wouldn't still be running that story 24x7?

Go back to the_donald, man, please.

No? That's how you guys respond to counter points and opinions around here? I thought this sub was to discuss conspiracies. OP and others are proposing something shady went down here and that these two billionaire tycoons met up. Did they? Wouldn't you think that if they did -- that close to the general election -- that they would have been busted with all eyes on Trump for the election?

Lol, not even a majority of voters supported Trump.

Personally, I think he overwhelmingly won popular vote as well if we were able to remove voting fraud & ineligible voters casting ballots. We'll never get that done (and thank god we don't have to) so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. It's pretty telling though when he had the damn near the entire system against him and still managed to win the actual election by considerable margin.

Do you have even a single shred of evidence to back up your point?

Probably. Which point would you like me to back up, specifically?

overwhelming won the popular vote

I'd probably start with map of results by county...

Really?

Have you ever heard of the term 'population density'?

Oh, I'm well aware of how dense the population can be in the areas you're referring to. Your grade school teacher didn't by chance happen to use this map to teach you about geography did he, she,++?

++ = any of the other 50-100 gender options you may have recognized this teach as other than he/she.

Yes, I'm aware of the term population density. I went to school and have learned some of the best words and terms. Have you heard of the term illegal alien? Do you believe that one or two... million of them happened to have cast a ballot? Were you sober while democrats were getting busted for fraudulently registering (dead) people to vote on multiple occasions? We'll never know the actual count of illegal or deceased voters, because, certain people seem to lobby against voter integrity even though that popular vote you prize so much, would prefer we have them.

I asked for evidence not a long ass irrelevant rant.

Plus, if you do actually understand population density, what exactly was that map supposed to show me?

Maybe that "America" is vastly more than a handful of progressive islands.

You honestly don't think that illegal voting, voter fraud, and intentionally suppressing vote integrity initiatives had any impact on popular vote counts?

As a side thought.... do you think people in these densely populated blue areas on the map I linked earlier have fled to the extremities of the nation because they hate the country they live in so much they wish they could jump into the ocean and/or move to Mexico?

Trump is from the coast, does he hate his country?

I mean honestly... wtf are you even talking about?

This place is compromised. They don't even care to hide it anymore.

This whole thread is adorable.

Especially the Hitlery supporters who have proven (via screenshots of their own comments calling for brigades) to come here solely to brigade and think they are actually convincing anyone with their faux concern about censorship.

"may have met with"

Before I even opened the thread, I knew it would be a shill thread. Pushing the russian-narrativ without giving evidens for the claims.

OMG. This Russia hysteria is so dumb. Shut up. Where was the media when Saudi Arabia owned Bush or Clinton?

Well for one thing HRC did not win the election that she was seeking so that is good. Trump being in the pocket of Russia is a good thing you think?

He's not. If you believe that, you're nuts. The media is lying. Russia didn't hack Podesta.

Remind me 4 months!

I was interested until that Occupy Democrats link you posted with it. Now it feels like an agenda. Should have just stuck with what you had.

that actually helps it. I know you see the name and think it means it supports Hillary but no it's more a Bernie supporting thing.

I just want it neutral with something like this, you know? I'm on board if there's a conspiracy, but linking a left-wing (or ring-wing) extremist site, makes it hard to commit.

I'm suspicious of the number of votes and attention this thread is getting. Combined with Ben Swann's PizzaGate report being removed, it's clear CTR or whoever is still very active and this post is no exception.

Is this really asking why billionaires hung out with each other?

Does anyone understand how plain silly that is?

We get it fuck head you wanted Hiliray to win, she didn't. So all that typing was for nothing. You haven't changed a thing way to go!

This is why no one takes you seriously. Why can't we talk about Trump here? Stop calling people names because they hurt your feelings.

Dude the government is using the same tactics on Trump as they are on Gary Webb it is a smaer campaign. Plain and simple.

Removed. Rule 10.

I didnt realize how pro trump this place was.

It's become the_donald mk2

Seriously? It's been two months since the election, and the front page is still spammed daily with anti-clinton links, and 99% of anti-Trump posts get downvoted to zero.

Go sort this sub by "controversial" some time, and it will be IMMEDIATELY obvious who is actually brigading this subreddit. (hint; it's not /r/politics)

Interesting post. I will try to do some digging and find more information.

I also want to thank you for the post. We the people need to keep our leaders in check.

They were just talking about golf and grand-kids

may have? did he or not

is bank of cyrpress here really referring to bank of cyprus

I know that's a central bank that is in on a lot of corrupt stuff just like our federal reserve

I wonder whether these "patriots" have been as vocal during all these years of AIPAC/israeli interference in American political life.

So a powerful Russians plane was at the same small airport as Trumps plane. We have proof that Trump was there but we dont have proof the powerful Russian was actually there , just his plane.

This is not evidence of any form of Russian collusion , but its certainly note worthy. We should keep an eye on this Russian as Trump takes power, lets see if he turns up more.

Your first point about mansions sold can easily be explained by the dates. It was during the real estate bubble when prices were sky rocketing.

That's not true, prices peaked in 2007 and were falling by the end of January 2008.

The bubble didn't pop until later in the year

How does this specifically demonstrate Trump's connections to Putin? You do realize that every real estate investor worth their salt was investing in Russian properties in the 00s, right? It was even encouraged.

Also interesting to note: Trump's son made 6 trips in 18 months to Russia before 2008–then a Russian oligarch showers Trump with $95M.

Before he had political ambitions. Again -- this proves what?

Trump team may have met with Russian billionaire and businessman Dmitry Rybolovlev, on November 3rd. A week before the election. Undeniable proof ignored by MSM... but if so, why did he meet Rybolovlev on that day? We have pictures of this (see bottom of this post). Trump was scheduled for a rally in Charlotte, NC and parked his private jet in a small airport. The plane right next to it arrived that day, for a few hours, belonged to Dmitry. Since real-time GPS tracking of Trump's plane is disabled, we would not have known if someone hadn't taken pictures of it, that it was there on November 3rd. There were ALSO flight records of Rybolovlev's plane being there, as well as pics. Why did the mainstream media not report this? He met with a Russian oligarch 5 days before the election. It is a very small airport. Rybolovlev did not make any other trips to North Carolina in recent history, just on that day. Why?

If it were dirt on Trump it would've been picked up by MSM.

The important question is what you think happened and why you're faking puzzlement while clearly implying that Trump is...conspiring with Putin through some thirdhand real estate investor.

He actually ran under the reform party in 2000 but dropped out.

He actually ran under the reform party in 2000 but dropped out.

Right, he didn't just talk about running in 2000, he tried to actually run but dropped out

Where is your evidence on that?

Good job, we need people who can dig out the connections through the money trail. I wish I had this skill. Thanks.

Trump bought the mansion at auction, renovated it to increase value, then flipped it at exactly the right time. I don't see the leap to money laundering.

"Long before he became the 2016 Republican presidential front-runner, Trump snapped up the mansion at 515 N. County Road in 2004 at a court-ordered auction for $41.4 million. He then renovated the property before selling it to fertilizer mogul Dmitry Rybolovlev in July 2008, five months before the Great Recession hit Palm Beach."

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/business/real-estate/donald-trump-95m-record-setter-turns-out-tear-down/3lXK0EgVOdTGXgN2uEDiAP/

Not making a profit off of a property bought in 2008 (remember the housing bubble) by trying to sell in 2016 is not shocking at all.

Mods deleted the previous post.

Moreover, numerous posts are mirrored from r/ the_donald to this sub but never flaired by moderators as such.

That's so weird because all I saw were a bunch of sheep from /r/all bitching about the sub and mods.

It's almost as if there's a brigade...

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5otnhj/another_shitstorm_erupts_in_rconspiracy_when_a/

I agree, and I support closer relationships with Russia. There have been so many claims of Trump having nefarious ties to Russia, but no proof has materialized yet. I'm willing to let people dig as much as they can to prove anything, but I admit I don't expect much to come of this.

https://imgur.com/cYjOxF0

http://archive.is/daKeO

This is important because we can see that ...

In June 2010, Rybolovlev sold a 53% shareholding in Uralkali to a group of Russian investors: Kaliha Finance Limited (Suleiman Kerimov, 25%), Aerellia Investments Limited (Alexander Nesis, 15%) and Becounioco Holdings Limited (Filaret Galchev, 13.2%).[24] The transaction price was not disclosed, but was reported to be around US$5.3 billion.

In December 2010, Uralkali announced plans to buy potash producer, Silvinit and form one of the world's largest potash producers.[25] The merger was finalized in July 2011, Rybolovlev had already sold the remaining 10% of his shares of Uralkali to a company owned by Alexander Nesis in April 2011.

So our Russian oligarch already sold his share before the jet was even delivered...

Are you serious? It's literally an organization founded to shill all over the internet. What the fuck do you think they do with all that money?

I NEVER joke about freemasonry! (just kidding)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

Because the question you asked me was pretty silly. I didn't think that needed explanation. Hence why it was funny to me. I have used it a few times tonight, not overly often, and in the same fashion. Do you need any other basic language broken down for you?

I didn't ask you any questions, I just noticed you posted LOL and lol everywhere.

Why do you use that everywhere? Where did you learn it? Do you get how it makes your comments look?

You have to enlist. I think it's mostly Air Force.

Sure, let's see it happen.

hit me up when you hit 100k!

CTR. It's not like they're a secret. Pretending they don't exist doesn't actually make it true.

We have FTC filings, genius, your "brilliant strategy" of claiming they don't exist will not work on anyone but your brainwashed brigader friends from r/politics.

You belong here: /r/iamverysmart

Claiming that CTR doesn't exist in order to defend them is sheer genius. Never seen that one before.

I'll throw 25 on that. You cannot get that account that high that fast, sorry

Thanks for providing more info!

Funny how no one wants to debunk this.

you aren't. Just look at his motherfucking history. A quick scroll.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5otimt/trump_team_and_russian_oligarch_rybolovlev_may/dcm6iit/

That's fucking bullshit good god. I see posts here all the time just taking things as fact. The one unsubstantiated post saying that pedophilia is like hazing to the elite? No questions! Kill room? No questions!

I've been browsing this sub daily for years. Never before have I seen blatant favoritism of a politician. Any time anything trump related shows up, the mods do their best to lighten the narrative.

And then anyone critical of trump is a shill or from CTR.

Open your eyes. This is simply an anti Hillary sub (whom I also dislike)

This sub needs to stop taking sides on issues.

Not hard, just say what people want to hear. Telling people what they need to hear, that won't work as well.

Why would anyone say cheese pizza? Pizza has cheese. Its like saying wheeled car, glassed glasses, cheese cheeseburger. Cheese pizza is code for cp has been for a long time. It makes zero sense to say cheese pizza. Just wanted to make that point.

Pizzagate has more proof than any conspiracy out there right now

top proof of pizza gate is fake news denying it

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5otnhj/another_shitstorm_erupts_in_rconspiracy_when_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/5otnhj/another_shitstorm_erupts_in_rconspiracy_when_a/

Yeah, I've been posting for 12 hours. It's not all I do, it's what I've been doing since the blatant censorship on this sub yesterday.

Anyway, have a good one.

I'm not a submitter. I'm old school. Comment karma all the day.

What does that even mean

But that coverage helped him get elected. I'm just saying that they knew any coverage of him would lead to Trump being noticed more. Whatever game they're playing, it's a lot deeper than we can assume.

Fetch little doggie.

What power do people who are not in law enforcement have to prosecute someone? Mobs don't dish justice, courts do. People (whether justified or not) call Clinton out on everything she did, which was my entire point.

Greenwald is such a boss.

This wasn't in response to you, it was response to the info you've shared. Relax.

So people let her go with it right!

And yet all the threads that mention Pizzagate and other anti-clinton conspiracy theories as fact are allowed.

Awwww....another basement dweller.

Based on your post history, you love to project your issues onto others. I guess that explains your username.

Awwww....another basement dweller.

Based on your post history, you love to project your issues onto others. I guess that explains your username.