Can you not do the unreddit thing?

I just meant as proof of your claims. I believe you & see it but like - throw together a case. That way it's a central issue for us all to look at.

Did I miss them? I only saw self post. I apologize. Let me read back through.

TL;DR: Trump is just as shady, but there ARE people in this sub currently brigading the FUCK out of this place to push last minute Oh shit we lost to this guy smear.

You want to discuss Trumps cabinet picks? Cool. You want to speculate on how he might concentration camp the gays? Awesome etc. etc....

But the TWO posts that have clearly been manipulated to the top have been removed per the rules. Posts like this pop up to discredit a large majority of this sub by saying that its alt right sympathetic or just flat out biased. It doesn't take a genius to figure out whats happening here.

So thanks for these :) Lets me know someone on here is close to a truth or two.

at what point does it stop being a "smear campaign" and become actual issues that people should be discussing?

at what point does it stop being a "smear campaign" and become actual issues that people should be discussing?

At the point it has more upvotes than your run of the mill PG8 posts that stay on this sub. In a TENTH OF THE TIME.

I watched this happen. Even made a comment of it so i could watch the train wreck.

In my opinion the smear campaign is directly against this sub. There is a constant effort to post threads of this nature, complaining that the sub is too "Donald". I wouldn't really care if it was once a day or so, where actual discussion took place and a fair exchange if ideas occured, but that's not what is happening. The constant stream of anti-sub posts indicate that a segment of reddit is determined to subvert this sub.

There is a couple of things to consider when looking at the threads in this sub;

1) The popular vote was T-46% C-48% which is roughly an even split. Logically 46% of the political threads in this sub will be pro-T. If more are successfully up voted, then it is an indication that the current view of the sub looks more favorably upon C-conspiracies than T-conspiracies. Likely the reason is because of item 2.

2) In the past year there has been significantly more dirt exposed on C than T. The DNC and Podesta emails reveals quite a lot of collusion, backed by evidence which has effectively been confirmed as legit evidence by the FBI. Furthermore, the Podesta emails spawned pizzagate which is still a conspiracy many feel is still burning hot. Additionally there is the potential of even more leaks to be revealed if the Wikileaks twitter feed is to be believed.

3) The conspiracies surrounding T are currently flimsey at best. There is no where near the evidence supporting any of them like there is for the C conspiracies. The primary supporters of T conspiracies are the MSM, Democrats, and their supporters. The credibility of these bodies was shatterd by last years WL dumps. Their co plete lack of credibility and obvious partisan support for T related conspiracies simply lend support to the C related conspiracies.

3) There have been flagrant shilling attempts (by both sides) on this sub in the past year. Once /new and /politics became a DNC echo chamber reddiors were left with few options where they felt even dicsussion and reliable reporting could occur. This sub is one of those places, and remains so today. Unfortunately that venue for fair discussion has been identified by those who wish Reddit to carry a specific narrative, and as such have launched many campaigns to destroy this subs credibility. In many ways the attacks have been successful, but in many others it hasn't.

I'm guessing you didn't read the whole post?

I mean flimsy as in only the very sketchiest vague evidence has been provided and none of it is verifiable other than some intelligence guys saying "Trust me, we're totally sure this is legit...". This is unlike the evidence of the Clintons ongoing corruption where we have evidence dating back to the 1980's of their questionable behavior and also documented verifiable evidence of her breaking the law and mishandling sensitive information, as well as documented verifiable evidence of the DNC rigging a primary and colluding with more than 40 or 50 members of the media in a concerted effort to defeat Sanders and attempt to defeat Trump. The evidence can be independently verified also. These things present a conspiracy that this sub finds of value because while there is intriguing aspects to the Trump conspiracy, with Clinton we see a trend of greed, deception, and law breaking and yet no prosecution ever seems to follow.

So while I agree that 50% may find Trump distasteful or repugnant, my opinion is that part of that 50% still see more import on pursuing a verifiable criminal who seems to be involved in a conspiracy to evade prosecution or accountability. If you add the 50% of Trump supporters to the x% of anti-Trump/anti-Clinton supporters you will likely find the reason for what you and others see as a disproportionate representation of political favoritism.

Ofcourse not. These r/conspiracy visitors don't understand that this isn't r/politics and their traditional talking points don't work here

Yea well here ya go. " Fuck Hillarh. Fuck Trump. Fuck them Both. Fuck the establishment for forcing this trump administration. But you know what, they Rolex the dice and they lost. They wanted Hillary vs trump thinking they could force her whore ass on us. They lost. As much as I hate trump, he beat a faction of the political elite. In the big scheme of things Donald J Trump was able to buy the presidency from the outside the political system. I didn't vote for him, I don't trust that mother fucker, but he won. I will continue to question trump, I will continue to voice my opinion. This is not r/politics. We don't give a fuck about political affiliations. This is way past right v left, liberal vs conservative. These fucks are all grimey as fuck

When the top comments aren't trying to smear, discredit the sub, or divide others. Those "comments" and "discussions" were not organic and were clearly manipulated. It's not fooling anyone

What about the pizza gate conspiracy posts that get thousands of upvotes, why is 'brigading' never brought up them

A) I hate this theory. I really do. But if there is validity to it, so be it. That's what were here for.

B) The PG8 posts don't reach the top of the page in 50 minutes. Generally posts here throughout the day reach a third of the upvotes over 12 hours. Be it sigh flat earth, lizard Illuminati, UFOs, etc.... Its not hard to spot the artificial stories. If you've been on for ANY amount of time on here you can see it.

C) PG8 is government agencies as a whole. Its not if Trump has a piss fetish. PG8 focuses on a network as a whole (It just doesn't help that the clintons are wrapped up in the allegations)

A.) Agreed, which is why I mostly no longer click the links, despite clicking just about every other link.

I saw a concave earth thread with better supporting arguments, and with better format than ANY pizzagate thread I've seen - that's saying something.

I saw a flat earth argument that was presented better than anything over any anti-trump campaign.

TLDR : This CTR shill is mad that we're looking into things with leads/evidence vs "BUT MUH RUSSIA DID IT"

get real, look at your posting history, and the ones that post all the anti-trump shit, it's not /r/conpsiracy members, it's fucking a co-ordinated effort, to get shit about trump to r/all on MANY different subreddits,

gtfo

You people actively dismiss every lead and evidence you don't like though. Pizzagate has sufficient evidence but Donald Trump having piss parties doesn't?

Copy my other comment here... THEN SHOW THE LINKS a_trashcan

"Then list the ACTUAL fucking evidence... you said it was superb, but is ther any proof they met? not "MAY HAVE MET" it's all bullshit unlike the "I still know and keep in touch with " -( known sex offender hassert ) from the one podesta brother see how one has actual link, actual fact, actual hard evidence when a person emails from his own email talking about having just talked to and keeping in touch with someone? So where is the evidence you're following again? or linking?"

Ok but that email isn't evidence of anything but the fact that he kept in touch with an old friend. You're following leads you've made up in your head, seeing what you want to see in things.

No that implies an actual connection, meaning he has a background that's very familiar with each other...

Where is the connection you're making now?

It doesn't imply a connection to anything nefarious though that's my point. You inventing the connection that this somehow makes Podesta a pedophile because he knows one. There is no real connection that can be made between that email and Podesta being a pedophile.

It at least provides the fact they've known each other for a long time, that on top of all the "teenage naked pictures" in his own bedroom seem sorta like a thing to make you go "hmmm"

Yet your connection is literally NOTHING smoke and mirrors, with 0 even circumstantial evidence that could point towards this other than "DEMS SAID IT WAS RUSSIAN"

Except it was never the dems that said it, it was a former MI6 agent. And it was clearly credible enough for them to feel the need to brief Obama and Trump on it.

And by your logic if Ican find that Trump had a friend who was into piss parties than suddenly the claim is valid? I mean this evidence isn't even good enough to be called circumstantial, it's completely invented. You created a connection where there was one, you decided he was guilty of something and looked for evidence that confirmed it. That's why all the evidence surrounding pizzagate is pretty circumstantial/coincidental, you were looking for things that agreed with your theory. Which is why it will never be investigated, police start with a crime and look for evidence that leads to a criminal, where you started with a criminal and looked for evidence of a crime.

I hope it goes without saying when I say you I don't mean you speciically but the royal you.

Pizzagate has sufficient evidence but Donald Trump having piss parties doesn't?

Lol. Lets level the field and assume BOTH of the theories are a 4chan troll and incredibly fake:

PG8 implies a child pedophilia network.

Pissgate implies that Russia has dirt on Trump....because he likes being pissed on...by prostitutes....

One of these things is not like the other.

Yeah one is way more plausible than the other. Whats more likely a guy has a weird fetish or that a pizza parlor is running a massive child sex trafficking ring. I mean seriously, I don't particularly believe either one, but on premise alone Donald Trump's piss parties are more likely than a pizzeria child sex ring. And the evidence behind both is certainly equally credible.

It's fantastic because I can't even vote

Felony conviction?

I say: "fuck off" to all brigades. When there is evidence for it, it should be removed in the current context of the website and rules. Am I for it, ultimately? No, I'm for free uncensored speech, but it's not in context to what we have. People trying to shit on the mods here, have an agenda, IMO. I will continue to stick up for them (mods), even if they ban me for good (that's on me). They are some of the most fair and genuine on Reddit, imo. Being a mod means walking a fine line, and you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The post on the frontpage was brigaded, and I knew it the second I saw it on the frontpage here, with no vote count, until entering the thread. Also, add that we had ~3k+ people here = brigade. We usually only have ~900-1k on average, and even that is high.

The vast majority on this sub have an eye for brigades, disinfo and astroturf. Most of us see through the "Russia did it" narrative and the only way it EVER gets any traction here is when there is painfully obvious manipulation.

Go peddle your David Brock talking points somewhere else. Try /r/politics! They (you) eat that shit up!

Dafuq you talking about?

I think he's getting what you are putting down.. Just had to reread it a couple times lol

They feast all day in that shit

Word brother. They banned me for speaking the truth about the brigade last week. IDGAF anymore. We've all knew this shit was coming and these assholes are here to stay.. We as a community must be ready to do what we can to fight for what we built. Fuck these assholes.. Never give in. They have lost control and are trying anything to derail freedom of thought.

No but pushing false narratives as hard as those 2 posts shows the fucking disgusting tactics just to try and control the content. Most of us have been on Reddit a loonnggg time and we've seen all the tactics thrown around to try and control the agenda. prefect example being: r/politics. All the way up until 6 months ago r/politics was pretty reasonable for years. Now it's a straight propaganda show. Discussions used to be a thing in threads and now it's a shilled out shit show with really shitty trump jabs. They cannot overtake r/conspiracy like they did r/propaganda but they need mod spots and they can't get in from the inside. Their tactics aren't working here no matter how much money they are throwing. At this point they need Reddit admin to do their dirty work.

No it wasn't put together well at all. It was a shitty attempt to make it look like a 4-chan investigation but Instead of providing credible links, the poster added personal opinion (IMO another shitty attempt to make it appear authentic) text rather than credible evidence. The post was also riddled with random Twitter links. Any usual conspiracy member saw right thru it. Most post that catch on here get vetted pretty throughly.. This isn't r/propaganda

Your not even trying anymore..

Haha! I was on my final warning for replying to obvious shills with their cut and pasted infant account histories during the brigade. I stopped just before a ban, but got pissed and deleted my account entirely. I thought maybe I was upsetting other regulars here with my cut and paste campaign since a mod was all over me about it.

Of course threads are going to get taken down when you use blatantly inorganic means to bolster them, i.e brigading from other parts of Reddit.

It makes content that actual members of this sub are interested in less visible. Stop shilling and then whining when these efforts are countered.

Mods banned a ton of people who dissented against PG today. They're clearing the way, getting rid of anyone who doesn't want their narrative here.

I'm guessing you didn't read the whole post?

Your not even trying anymore..