This is the type of stuff that needs more attention. Thank you for compiling this

It is great to have it all in one place. Lots of hidden gems like this in the pizzagate subverse at voat. http://voat.co/v/pizzagate

Their defense is that they were protecting the children.

But.... why such a secret?

My guess is because it's just like the war on drugs or on terror. We claim we're fighting it, but secretly we're involved in it

We are not. Soros and company is.

Eh... did you see the 60 minutes where soros and hrc are walking thru poor neighbor hoods in hati like its their personal orphan grocery store?

I did. That's why I said Soros and Company.

Misunderstood your use of we there im sorry

K this may sound...not good, but can someone link me/tell me who Soros is? I realize he is some super rich guy with deep political ties but ..need elaboration?

He's a Jewish antisemitic Nazi Sympathizer who was a WWII profiteer making his millions from scandalous investments with stolen dead Jewish money and has attempted to create a New World Order by buying off politicians worldwide. He is a wanted criminal in several countries including Russia. He funded Hillary's campaign and funds BLM as well as many anti-Trump protest/rioters.

He isn't anti-semitic nor is he a Nazi sympathizer. Stop spreading dis-info. He merely sold off his own people in order to spare himself (lesser jews)

He sold fellow Jews who were considered lesser than himself (including his father) to Nazis during WWII German occupation. Got it. I knew I had something wrong :/

If he was selling his own people to the Nazis then that's pretty sympathetic to the Nazi cause,no?

And since he was only selling Jews then I would say that's quite anti Jewish,some might call it antisemitic, no?

I don't know if your being sarcastic or not.

I have no love for Soros and I don't want to defend him but I think you're jumping a bit far. There's no reason to suggest he sold his own people for any other reason than to not get caught himself. I don't know if he sold out anyone but Jews, but I don't think that could be proved either way at this point. Regardless, there's no way, based on these actions, to say he's a Nazi sympathiser or anti-semetic. At most, you could accuse him of pure selfishness for the sake of survival. I don't believe for a second that most people wouldn't do the same in similar circumstances. Add to that that he was a child at the time. He totally should have fought the Nazi regime, right, but he didn't so he must be an anti-semetic Nazi sympathiser.

But this is not the issue. These aren't the reasons he's disliked. His actions in modern times are the concern.

Its open to debate is suppose.

I think we can agree however that Soros is a shitty human being.

Seems that way. He's got a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, and stands to profit greatly from a food fight.

I was so impressed by the cited sources here, but I realize that was just a ruse to look more official. If you read the cited links, there's nothing there.

Yes, a group of Baptist missionaries went to Haiti to "rescue" some orphans. If you read the Wikipedia article, it's an almost comical attempt to execute God's will and save these kids.

But there's nothing tying them to Clinton. The email is a copy of a State Department document, that is a copy of a press release published on the Baptist church's website.

I don't know if OP is purposefully distorting the facts for some purpose, or just can't see the jumbled mess he's pieced together.

I was so impressed by the cited sources here, but I realize that was just a ruse to look more official. If you read the cited links, there's nothing there.

I don't want to sound rude, but you have to be really obtuse to think there's nothing there. We know that this human trafficking occurred (and that many of these kids still had parents), and I don't know how you could be dismissive of that saying it was just Baptists rescuing them. This is how human trafficking works. Use the veil of missionary work or some other cause, which gives you easier access and a better defense if you're caught.

And please don't reference Wikipedia, especially for a politically charged topic. Their manipulation of facts is well-known, so at the very least use whatever sources they are citing.

You accuse the OP of distorting the facts, but it feels like you're trying to do the same thing.

Your message wasn't very rude, really. Just the first sentence. So if you really want to avoid that in the future, maybe try to engage with people assuming the best of them. Or at least fake it by removing personal attacks.

First of all, I read the Wikipedia article because that was the first document cited by OP. You can read it also by clicking on cite [1]

Do you agree that in this instance I wasn't being obtuse by referencing it?

Second, the reason I accused OP of distorting the facts is because he cites sources 2, 3, 4, and 5 claiming Clinton flew to Haiti trying to free Silsby. But I read all of them and none of them came close to doing that. #3 linked to a document saying they found the connection to Clinton, but I read that two and it didn't mention any connection at all. If I missed something, do link to it and post a quote. I spent s bit of time looking and couldn't find anything.

Other than the Wikipedia article, which only quotes cited sources, I found this report about Silsby, which quotes her former employee (who sued her for failure to pay wages) interesting: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-laura-silsby/

I also read this entire article about Hilary Clinton's experiences in Haiti: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html

This is a very detailed investigation with a vast amount of negative coverage for Clinton, spanning 40+ years of involvement in Haiti. It's really damning and portrays her as an ineffective leader. There's no reason an involvement in Silsby's case would be excluded from something like this.

Anyways, I just wish we had people working together here to get to the truth. There's enough evil in this world that we don't need to bend over backwards to fabricate things. And I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but as a group we should hold each other accountable and expect a higher degree of accuracy from posts.

Excellent reply, thank you. I felt as if your first post was trying to say "there's nothing to see here", and I apologize for sounding overly aggressive. I just don't want people to dismiss these potentially significant leads for political reasons

Thanks friend!

I definitely don't want that either. I feel like we're in this transition period where we all have access to so much information, and the means to distribute our own information. But as content producers and consumers, our skills haven't caught up with our capabilities. Hopefully all this murky information is just temporary and we'll evolve better skills and tools to separate out the facts.

Upvoted, intelligent flows like this are the voice of reason.

this user usually provides really interesting, well thought out posts.

Why thank you both :)

Keep that up and you may get banned by the moles, I mean mods.

Actually the only controversial assertions he made weren't well sourced. Political insider.com is hardly a reliable news source. Would have to see credible sources to swallow this one.

Says a 4 month old acout with 179 karma.

Read his posts. Very obviously a sock puppet or whatever it's called. His posts are very similar.

I noticed you didn't defend his sources but let me explain. My posts are often similar because I keep responding to the same questions from your brigade. If you want different responses ask different questions. Also my account is 4 months old because I started it 4 months ago so that resolves that mystery. Just out of curiosity how long after I open an account can I start posting? If 4 months isn't long enough then what is the waiting period?

my brigade

Wot?

Just out of curiosity how long after I open an account can I start posting? If 4 months isn't long enough then what is the waiting period?

It doesn't matter. It's the content.

Wether you agree with me or not I thank you for reading my post history. I haven't read yours it doesn't interest me for some reason. I explained the similarities in my posts if you want to be more specific I can explain the content to you.

I like that the moles think that we don't notice their presence. Its one thing to challenge an idea to refine the quality of the discussion but some of them are just here to shit on any instance of compelling dissent. When a post makes front-page and it contains well articulated reasons to support a formal investigation, they descend on it like firemen coming down a brass pole. The best is when they pretend to be crazies and post a bunch of nonsense to discredit the sub. Its like somebody taught psych 101 to a bunch of meat head jocks and they think they're fooling everyone with their master role playing.

But there hasn't been any compelling dissent or well articulated reasons. There has only been emails about cheese pizza, comparisons of symbols, links to social networking sites offered as credible evidence, random pictures of anonymous children and unidentifiable adults, endless speculation and hypothesizing and still not one example of a credible source substantiating any of this fantastic story. Having failed to substantiate this story, you accuse me of being mole whatever that means. Offering compelling evidence that it's true would go much further for your agenda then expressing your bizarre paranoia about internet miles.

I agree that there isn't enough evidence to convict at this moment but don't you dare stand there and brush off his pedo artwork as inconsequential. People have been convicted on mounds of circumstantial evidence that when each peace is singled out by a sleazy defense attorney, can be argued to be inconsequential, but when you put it all together, juries see through the bullshit when there's too much coincidence to ignore. You argument would be sensible if you were arguing against any particular punishment, but you're arguing against a lawful investigation in light of some pretty compelling connections that may well turn out to be nonsense, but what kind of monsters would we be if there was something to it and those kids never get justice? It's worth a look, if the look is reasonable. I see no legitimate denial of that when the man's walls were plastered with pictures of children in their underwear in vulnerable positions. I respect any attempt to prevent a witch hunt. I felt the same way until I saw those paintings. This ain't no witch hunt. This fucker has it coming if he's going to put up pictures like that and post them all over twitter. Don't defend a scumbag just to be a contrarian either because then you're just enabling a monster.

Again, I can't verify that podesta has any such art. When I search it i get only a few fringe sites that offer no proof that the pictures are podestas. I certainly find no evidence that he has any illegal art. When I search it all I find are a few of these conspiracy sites that are also pushing other very crazy conspiracies. So until we prove that podesta has illegal images of children, there can be no investigation. I can't even find proof that any of this art is his. Do you have a link to a credible source that substantiates any of this?

I just checked my references and the article that previously published the disturbing paintings like this one and this one, claiming that Podesta owned those pieces, is now a dead link.

Here is a link to a 2015 article in which he names, Biljana Djurdjevic, the artist of the above disturbing paintings as one of his favorite artists. However, it's worth mentioning that the artist doesn't paint dead eyed children in their underwear exclusively. Other articles now show the works displayed in his home to be of similarly haunting paintings of young girls who appear to be deceased and partially obscured in foliage; disturbingly suggestive, but fully clothed. I'm not one to censor art so in lieu of my original source being available, and because I personally support the exposure of truth, whatever it may be, I concede that it's not reasonable to investigate Podesta purely based on his unsavory taste in art when there's plausible deniability that he can say that he finds those works compelling on a more abstract level than pedophilia.

However, James Alefantis aka Jimmy Comet, has posted more than enough disturbing material to his twitter account (which has since been deleted but can be viewed in archive) to warrant a basic investigation into his business and personal life. While someone can claim that his posts like this and this (worth mentioning that Comet Pizza would be closed at night) or that the band that features graphics like this on their website performs shows at Comet Pizza's private parties, can be written off as circumstantial evidence of a dark but legal sense of humor or appreciation for sexually suggestive avant garde stylism, at some point, the circumstantial evidence may not be the same thing as a smoking gun, but again, we're talking about citing the probable cause to investigate the potential illegal endangerment of children in an organized establishment with proven ties to people of great legal influence and power. Even if the counter argument that people like you represent, is motivated by a desire for fairness and avoiding political witch hunts, the authorities do not and should not require a smoking gun just to initiate an investigation. More often than not, investigations are initiated because of community complaints and reports that, until followed up on, are purely hearsay. Sometimes that hearsay turns out to be true, sometimes it doesn't but that's why we have investigators. When someone like this, operates a family restaurant and posts garbage like that, does it mean that they are definitely a pedo and should be tried in the public and run out of business to give a moral bruise on the democratic donkey's eye? Of course not. It does however mean that the careless public advertisement of Comet Pizza's disturbing comments and taste in art and music that features clearly suggestive imagery of children holding phalluses to their mouth and babies bent over with come-hither smirks and little girls taped to a table and patrons posting drawings of penises with pizza shaped ejaculate on their twitter page means, that in the even remote chance that there's something to these child endangerment and molestation charges against them by a sizeable public outcry, paranoid and irrational or not, they should at a minimum answer to these concerns. Because if they are innocent, there is no reason not to open their doors and welcome an investigation if it is conducted according to the law. I can't think of a single reason not to open a case as long as it's managed in a fair, professional and objective way and their rights are respected. They have a brand and a business to protect and no one should damage their livelihood without cause, but as a father and humanitarian, I think it's more important to prioritize the risk to children over the risk to the parties involved having their busy schedules imposed upon with visits from the authorities. It's as simple as that.

If my account was older and I had more karma would that make his sources more credible? It's interesting that you looked up the age of my account rather than trying to defend his sources.

No, I checked into your account age because of what you were saying, not the other way around.

So the date I started my account determines the validity of my statements? Yes that is much more logical...... to you.

No, but it does call your credibility into question.

Of course that's no kind of logic at all. It's interesting that when I ask any of you for a credible source to substantiate this conspiracy I get no sources, only questions about the date I opened my account. Just out of curiosity what is the waiting period on an account before credible statements can be made from it?

It's not directly about age, but age + karma. you clearly don't use this account much and it raises questions as to why you're using it now?

The idea of me being martyr against the powerful intellectual forces of the conspiracy subreddit made me laugh out loud. I have answered the question my account is 4 months old because I opened it 4 months ago, if the math confuses you Im sorry. I haven't had a lot of time to use it because I am very busy but now I am off for awhile and am much more active. Now that this bizarre and irrelevant mystery has been resolved can you please answer my question and post a credible link substantiating pizza gate? That's an obvious question you refuse to answer.

You're fishing for reasons to dismiss what he's saying instead of dealing with it. That's an action that speaks louder than the age of an account.

I think the same when I see cnn.com

The difference is that a high profile outlet has a better chance of getting called out on their bullshit while the lesser known ones have more wiggle room to get creative without mass backlash.

I don't see the connection between the email you cited [4]

The email there is from 2001 and has no mention of Hillary or Silsby.

^ r/politics regular alert.

So? Tell me what I'm missing in the linked email and I'll scurry away if it pleases you.

Post the counterpoint. We want to see it. I'm in the process of trying to verify that date also. Can't verify or unverify so far, because the state dept search mechanism is really really bad.

^ ad hominem attack

it's not even from 2001. That appears to be some sort of bug. It's from 2010.

You don't know that.

You don't know that.

I DO know that, because the email body refers to the 2010 earthquake. unless i'm looking at the different email, but that's the one you cited. isn't there some glitch that a bunch of wl emails say they're from 1/1/01?

site:foia.state.gov silby

that's probably because you're spelling her name wrong. but i'm not sure how well indexed the state department website is.

There is a problem with one of the huma emails having the wrong date, but i'ts not this one that we know of yet. So this claim, as you say, is still needed additional verification. Heres the one others have cited. It has nothing to do with Laura silsby, but used to cast doubt on wikileaks published date

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Hillary_Clinton/Private_email_server

I don't s

http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/King.pdf

    Tony Allen-Mills, Clinton Brokers Deal over Haiti Orphan Abductions, S UNDAY T IMES (U.K.), Feb. 7, 2010, available at Factiva, Doc. No. ST00000020100207e627000xx.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/32/323249_-os-haiti-us-legal-adviser-to-u-s-haiti-missionaries.html

In before the r/politics brigade gets here to downvote all intelligent discussion and parrot MSM talking points.

It will prove its veracity.

Exactly.

Tides are turning if indications are true. Brock and crew will be swept up in it.

They must be just paralyzed right now.

That sub is cancer for the mind, worse than T_D.

One thing that blows your whole narritave apart is that the email isn't from 2001

Want me to prove it with wikileaks

This email says its from 2001-01-01 but it mentions this

Postconflict diplomacy was a defining issue of the last third of my career atropean Union (EU) and the Organisation State as Assistant Secretary of State for European for Security and Co-operation in Europe, and Affairs and as Under Secretary of State for Politicalupported by the United States, to avoid civil Affairs from 2001 to 2005. I have tried to draw war in Macedonia in 2001

Source : https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/1599

Can hillary tell the future or are you just being obtuse?

And another one that claims its from 2001-01-01 has a 2004 medical journal and refrences to later years. I'll post the whole email in a post below

The emails is longer than 10000 words to post but here is the ending of it

Downloaded from www.jama.com by Mark Hyman on January 8, 2010

Source: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/738

Does Hillary Clinton travel to the future?

I request the mods to mark this post as misleading like they did the Russian Trump post.

Can you explain your position more clearly, like what you specifically have a problem with?

If it's the 2001 date, then you make a valid claim. That is only supported by repeating what media AND alt media are saying from state dept releases.

We actually don't have Weiner-Abedin emails to search yet, only what's available via FOIA,

I'm in the process of trying to verify what George Webb has said that Abedin has been talking to silsby since 2002.

It could be the case that it's been with this company AlertSense, where she was involved with Amber Alerts

Ohyes. It gets better

https://twitter.com/Notmanipulated7/status/821595991426088967

I want you to not spread false information

George Webb also makes unsubstantiated statements like his claim that NYPD and the fbi were going to indict hillary (http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/). The article was before the election and she wasn't locked up even though they said she was going to be locked up before november 8 . He is using that claim even though its untrue and is still using the claim now. Also he claims to bring up mainstream media first he brings up this claim first in his video

Due to the very large number of citations and sources, I now publish them with each slide. I try to order New York Times Pulitzers first, then former NYT Pulitzer winners, then New York Times writers. Any other reputable source like WaPo, WaTimes, Tribune, LA Times, Seattle P-I, etc are then list. Then second tier media followed by alternative media.

He doesnt even list his sources,this is bad journalism.

Every one of his videos has a Google Docs presentation attached to it. Every single source he uses is in it. The reason he uses Google Docs is for accessibility among all his viewers so that they may send him new tips, and if he finds them important, he adds them. Go click on it.

I looked through the first few pages and all I see is photes. I dindnt no long text writeup and no sources. I repeat, I did not see any sources. Can you tell me on which pages the sources are? Such sloppy work with random photos smushed together and no text writeup.

Did you look below the actual slides? All the information is directly below them. Look in the green box: http://imgur.com/a/IrPoe

It didnt show up on my mobile browser so I went on a computer. I saw the sources they are mostly other youtube videos by alex jones and others and alt right news sources while he claims to do the oppisite. I see a lot of assumptions and reaching statements like . He has very few nyt sources. His research writing looked like a lot of garbaled word vomit

I want you to not spread false information so edit it out.

Lol. You really think random speculative internet posts are that dangerous? That you feel it's proper to demand a person edits their post? Feels a bit shilly in here. inb4 "you must think everyone with a different opinion is a shill". Nope, but obviously it's a thing that must be considered in this day & age. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on that subject if you can find the time.

He asked

Can you explain your position more clearly, like what you specifically have a problem with?

I requested I didn't demand it,and besides he didnt edit it out anyway.Also there is a double standard here ; the mods deleted a Trump-Russia post beacause it didnt have may have, while this post title has a straight up false claim which commenters ( so called shills) have proven false

You really think random speculative internet posts are that dangerous?

Yes because a crazy person with a gun entered a pizza resturant and started shooting. Inb4 you claim false flag.

I could claim the same for you, how do I know you are not the_donald shill?

Yea a shooting where no one was actually shot...

Do you not realize how unlikely that is?

Because people ran out.

Inb4 you claim false flag.

Yeah cause that would be so unfathomably hard to pull off right? Walking in and shooting at the ground.

I could claim the same for you, how do I know you are not the_donald shill?

Because there's literally no basis for that whatsoever. I haven't said anything at all about Trump and I've commented on their sub maybe 5 times total. I've never seen evidence of t_d paying people to shill like Correct The Record either. Yeah I think it makes sense to be cautious since they swarmed the ever loving shit out of this website and demonstrated the efficacy of their social media manipulation to all their friends.

But who knows, maybe it's all a coincidence. All these 5 month old accounts with 500k karma all from politics/worldnews/conspiracy. The same lines being repeated over and over and over. The 2-3+ year old accounts with everything deleted up until last year.

Not a single chance there are still people being paid to do damage control for these high level democrats right friend?

cambridge analytica trump, check that out. I only see trump supporters parroting trump is the first pro gay rights president and other claims that seem to defend him like they are robots.

Lie about what? I do defend him sometimes because I like to express honest opinions. I'm not a one sided person though, that's the difference. I can admit he has many faults and does really dumb shit sometimes. Same with hillary of course. Your account clearly has way more details that fall in line with a shill, like how your posts only start 23 days ago and you only post here and politics. But again, could be a coincidence. CTR has forever damaged the integrity of this website that's for sure. The whole internet even. What a terrible fucking thing.

Seriously, "honest" opinions like his verbal admittance to sexual assault is just loker room talk and no action, like his entering paegent rooms to perv on women changing etc. Where did I claim hillary has no faults? I delete history because people like you creep on it. Here is evidence I post to subreddits and delete it http://i.imgur.com/6O09OA1.jpg

So you think your account in no way resembles shills like those spawned out of Correct The Record? If that's true then your judgement is no better than you claim mine is.

No because CTR(which doesnt exist anymore) SHILLS wouldnt come to this sub to disscuss because this sub wasnt even that important them.

I have the best judgement, i also have a much better temperament than you have. call spez and ask him.

They absolutely participated in this sub. It has a ton of users and is heavily against hillary. Your account is near identical to them mate. Why are you even replying to me at this point? You clearly don't care to meet somewhere in the middle on anything. Feels very empty and one sided.

Why do you assume they are ctr and not hillary supporters or anti bullshit people. There is no way of telling whether a person is a supporter or a paid ctr supporter. Show me a pattern or evidence that concludes a poster is ctr and not a regular clinton supporter. I see many accouns that just post in the_donald.

Look, i just like politics because it sems like a sport now and the thing that roped me in was donald trumps insanity. One good thing from his presidency is comedy the next 4 years.

I bother replying because you said

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on that subject if you can find the time

You accuse people being one sided and empty while calling them shills

Also,dont bother replying to this,no one is forcing you to.

New account, tell me more.

That's not contributing to discussion either.

Right in, Comrade!

I"m glad to be your 'companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization."

I'm surprised you don't have any of the old Anderson cooper 360 segments on the story.

https://youtu.be/kIz5TU2z9Qo

https://youtu.be/xPBk7YHzdBM

Laura Silsby, child trafficker posing as a Idahoan missionary[1]

She's a Idahoan missionary who was convicted of trafficking. Slight difference. As far as I'm concerned, her actions are explained by religious zeal overcoming her regard for the law.

Laura Silsby was represented by a lawyer Jorge Puello who himself had been previously convicted of child-running in latin america in 2004.[ibid]

There is no evidence that Jorge represented Silsby. "Two days after they were arrested on Jan. 29 while attempting to take 33 children across the border from Haiti into the Dominican Republic, Mr. Puello called up an Idaho church where five of the 10 Americans attend, offering pro bono legal services. Two relatives called him back and accepted, and Mr. Puello then began acting as the group’s lawyer, even though he lacked a law degree. Since his background has emerged, some of the detainees have sought to distance themselves from the man."source.

REDDITOR discovered the Clinton-Silsby connection. Hillary flew down to negotiate Silsby's release, as revealed in Wikileaks' emails.[2][3][4][5]

That's a whopper. There is no evidence that Clinton flew to Haiti to negotiate Silsby's release. Your own links do not support this claim.

An investigative reporter, Monica Petersen, who was investigating the clinton made textile factory and human trafficking in Haiti ended up dead[6][7].

I believe she was actually investigating a mine owned by Hillary's brother, but otherwise that is factual.

Huma Abedin was funnelling emails about Silsby's Haitian enterprise to Hillary as far back as 2001[8]

"Funneling," sounds so surreptitious. There are a handful of emails about the work that Silsby's church was doing (not about Silsby herself). This is not suspicious, considering that the Clinton foundation was ostensibly doing charity work in Haiti.

Good well written counter point. I hope some knowledgeable person will counter you.

As for your comment about her over religious zeal, I presume you are downplaying her role in taking kids from their parents in that zeal. I read and will find the source, that the Haitian parents weren't signing the kids away permanently, only to goto school. So she might have been doing it to be benevolent, but then why fool the parents?

She was also warned 24 hours prior (it's mentioned on her wikipedia page) that she would be charged with trafficking if she tried to take the kids without the proper documentation.

Lying to the parents about where the kids are going, lying about what kids you have, and trying to do it without proper documentation. Those do not paint a pretty picture as far as intent goes.

The troubling part about this for me, is how everyone seems to quick and willing to explain away all behavior. We all understand that one thing being true doesn't make everything else true, but what we all want is this to be investigated honest

Missionaries have a long history of being assholes with savior complexes.

And child trafficking is an extremely profitable business

She was handing out flyers showing the school they were suppose to be taking them to. I just gave OP the link with that info, so I am sure he will update with what relevant information he finds.

There is no evidence that Clinton flew to Haiti to negotiate Silsby's release.

Harvard Human Rights Journal claims that Bill did in fact broker a deal to release the Silsby traffickers.

http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/King.pdf

That's a very different claim. And yes, to release all the missionaries other than Silsby.

the Haitian justice system—prodded in part by President Clinton’s diplomatic efforts on behalf of the missionaries —determined that none of the missionaries were guilty of illegal activities, except the leader Laura Silsby, who faced a lesser charge of organizing illegal travel.

lol Clinton didn't fly to Haiti to broker their release he just flew to Haiti to broker their release is your argument?

You Child-Trafficking apologists sure are something.

You guys make a joke out of actual child molestation rings. It's despicable.

In what way?

My argument is that I could find no evidence that he FLEW to Haiti at all to broker their release. He was there in Februrary and January, but not in March as far as I can tell. Where is the source that he actually went to Haiti to intervene? That would support your argument that the NLCR was a bit more important to the Clintons than just any Americans in need.

Yeh but there's a lot of inconsistency. Was it Bill or Hillary as OP says? Did they broker the release of all of them, or just the one? Or was it everyone except her?

No inconsistency in the Harvard Human Rights Journal link. Bill flies to Haiti, negotiates with the Haitian Government, then all of the Silsby traffickers are released and Silsby gets a joke of a sentence.

Without having been there it's impossible to know what exact terms were discussed. What we do know is that the 42nd President of the US personally flew to Haiti to broker the release of child-traffickers and that shit alone is insane.

There's mountains of evidence. I gave you a few links and you're quibbling about those, so that's a straw man attack. How about you check out George Webb links I also updated. Where he has other articles that corroborate this.

Also, I'm curious what it is about the Wikipedia article that you aren't even discussing, where it says her counsel was the Puello character in the links I provided 3 times mind you...

Jorge Puello: In the days following the group's initial arrest, Dominican Jorge Puello took on the role of legal advisor. Puello later acknowledged that he is under investigation for sex trafficking in El Salvador and wanted in the United States for smuggling people across the Canada–US border. Puello was incarcerated for short terms in both Canada and the US. [25] [26] He was arrested in the Dominican Republic on March 18.[27] On August 18, 2010, the Dominican Supreme Court authorized Puello's extradition to the United States where he was sentenced to 37 months of prison in June 2011.[28][29]

And finally, I've added your user account to a list to be researched as well, because it takes a special kind of person to try so hard to defend the indefensible

Why don't you remove the links to the emails that don't support your claim then? If there's so much information if someone would just Google it, why are you using links that say nothing?

This entire post should be tagged for being too adamant about it's conclusion while backing it up with questionable evidence

Did you read your own link? Bill Clinton commented on the case in February while in Haiti. Not Hillary, as you claimed.

He also flew there month earlier, so this trip wasn't out of the ordinary for him.

That's fine, your group has threatened my life over ten times so turnabout if fair play

We are all anonymous so if you are scared of threats you really are quite an ignorant pussy

You can quote me on that also

We will find out who all the astroturfers are and you will go to jail

Also, quibbling about a few links? I addressed every single claim in your original post! And your response is to double down on a false claim, tell me that I'm on a list now, and threaten me? Mmmkay.

You didn't do ANY research. You didn't successfully refute anything, now you are just trolling, but after this I've blocked you so keep going on about this. I see many upvotes, those are by people fooled by you.

You did not disprove anything, all you are doing is straw man attacks, crybullying and false victimhood.

You've added them to a list? Dude that's fucking dark and it's intimidation. You are stifling discussion. Very uncool. Be civil.

It's not intimidation. It's tagging people that are here (potentially) solely to sow discord. It's been happening more and more the last week. Starting after that pissgate dumpster fire. FFS, there was a thread posted by a brand spanking new account with a pandering, pro-PedoGate title with the sole purpose of hitting r.all solely as a notice to come brigade.

If you aren't noticing brand new accounts posting "this sub has changed", r.politics heavy users saying "this is T_D2", or a huge spike in new posters? Then the problem is you not doing your own due diligence. Or you are new here too. Regardless if it A or B? We question everything here.

People call this sub /r/The_Donald or say it's becoming more like it because of people like you. If someone disagrees with your poorly sourced arguments, they're a shill. Don't like a counter argument? Better try to intimidate and "put them on a list". Is my account too young to have an opinion?

A conspiracy theory has to stand up to scrutiny. Blindly accepting assertions is dangerous. If a theory can be proven to be misleading, shouldn't we all be able to admit it? Logic and reason as well as critical thinking should be something that is celebrated, otherwise, this place is just going to turn into an echo chamber.

No. The thing is you guys are so quick to call "shill" that all you do is stifle and shut down any form of debate. Some people do not agree with what you are saying and have counter arguments. Just shutting them down with threats goes against what I thought this sub was about. Not everyone who fucking disagrees is a shill or a plant or something like that. Fuck me it's so annoying.

I've been active on this sub for years by the way. Do you think my 4 year old account is somehow a shill because I don't agree with you?

OK you are right. I don't have to tell them they are on a list. We are going to find out who these people are though. And finally, you should know this: because we are anonymous, there is no legal recourse for comments such s that because they are empty and non identifiable

I know this because my life has been threatened over ten times on reddit and they tell me there is nothing I can do about it

So I figure its fair play to throw it back at them

If they can spread pernicious disinfo andprote t the baddies I can threaten them.

If you've kept up with me, you will find the pattern. They are playing off a JTRIG PowerPoint, your just ignorant of the pattern.

But ultimately you are right...newbs here don't get what I'm doing

It's not fair play to threaten people. Reddit is not anonymous. I suggest you reevaluate your quality as a human being and become a better person. This is disturbing behaviour.

listen, just block me and fuck off. Here I'll go first. Blocked.

Rofl. You are absolutely INCAPABLE of taking criticism aren't you. What a special little snowflake.

And finally, I've added your user account to a list to be researched as well, because it takes a special kind of person to try so hard to defend the indefensible. We WILL at one point in the future know ALL the names and accounts who worked with Clinton foundation so if you are one of those persons, time to pack up and head to ... I dunno a cave under Malta? Antarctica? Just some unfriendly advice.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You're intellectual dishonesty is pretty astounding.

This is, in fact, direct connections to child trafficking. Good work!

Tyvm. If you want to know more (warning it will make you sad/crazy/angry), see the cliff notes on george webb. I updated links to them on this post above

Does this prove she wants to be a child trafficker

From: Hillary Clinton To: Lissa Muscatine Date: 2010-01-17 14:31 Subject: HAITI - CHILD TRAFFICKING

                UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05772708 Date: 08/31/2015

                                                                                               RELEASE IN FULL

From: H <hrod17@clintonemail.com > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 PM

To: 'muscatinel@state.goV Subject: Re: Haiti - child trafficking

That is important. I will work on it--there's a very long and sobering list. Does Jillian have specific ideas?

    Original Message

From: Muscatine, Lissa <MuscatineL@state.gov>

To: Mills, Cheryl D <MillsCD@state.gov>; H Sent: Fri Jan 15 12:28:05 2010

Subject: FW: Haiti - child trafficking

This is a good suggestion from Jillian Burns in S/P....to make sure that children (and wonen) don't become targets of traffickers, as happened in Pakistan.

From: Burns, Jillian L

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:01 PM To: Gonzalez, Francisco J; Muscatine, Lissa

Subject: Haiti - child trafficking

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/22239047/detail.html

Child Trafficking Major Concern After Quake

Thousands Of Children Left Without Parents

By Mike Paluska, CBS Atlanta Reporter

POSTED: 4:58 pm EST January 14, 2010

UPDATED: 5:28 pm EST January 14, 2010

ATLANTA -- UNICEF and international adoption agencies said getting children into safe zones is a top priority after the devastating earthquake in Haiti.

The massive magnitude 7.0 earthquake that hit the island of Hispaniola has left thousands of children without parents.

Before the quake even hit UNICEF statistics from 2007 show there were 380,000 orphans already in Haiti.

"There are so many children that are in desperate need of help that's what we are here to do to keep them alive and get

them the nutrients they need and clean water. It becomes the one place of stability for the kids where they have people UNICEF workers they can relate to they have educational material so they can start back with school," said Alissa

  UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05772708 Date: 08/31/2015

Silverman, deputy director for UNICEF in the southeast region. "UNICEF is tracing family members and caring for

children orphaned by the disaster to protect them from harm or exploitation."

The number of children on the island is staggering. Forty-six percent of Haiti's population (nearly 10 million) is under the age of 18, more than half of the population is under 21. Prior to the earthquake, four of every 10 children lived in homes

with mud floors or severely overcrowded conditions.

"My first concern is who is with the kids how many of our nannies our ok and who is watching the kids and then all the kids on the streets," said Chareyl Moyes, the program manager for Wasatch International Adoption. Moyes works with a

number of different agencies and orphanages in Haiti. She said early reports about how much damage they suffered are good.

"But, there is going to be a concern about child trafficking so both Haitian and the United States governments are going

to be careful about forging ahead with new adoptions. The need is going to be great," Moyes said.

A lot of families in the U.S. according to a number of international adoption agencies across the country said some people were at the very end of the process to adopt a child from Haiti. "Now, it will set everyone back," Moyes said.

Even though child trafficking is a major concern for Moyes she worries about the immediate help children need trapped

in the rubble from a country in ruins. "How long will that child survive without somebody rescuing them," Moyes said.

http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2/26294/

Save the Children Emergency Team Reaches Haiti <http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2/comments/26294/ >

An emergency response team from Westport's Save the Children successfully reached Haiti today and worked quickly

with staff already on the ground to organize the distribution of tents, medicine, and toiletries to children and families in desperate need, the charity said.

"Save the Children is extremely concerned about the well-being of children in Haiti at this critical moment and we are doing everything we can to quickly get relief supplies to those who need it most," said Charles MacCormack, president

and CEO of Save the Children, in a news release.

"Our staff on the ground is pulling out all the stops to overcome hurdles like blocked roads and unreliable access to the airport."

"This is just the beginning of what will be a comprehensive five-year effort to build back better in Haiti. We are

dedicated to not only addressing the immediate needs of children and families, but to making sure they have a brighter future ahead."

http://children.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/01/13/haitis-disastrous'-earthquake-hits-children-hardest/

  UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05772708 Date: 08/31/2015

As someone in the anti-trafficking news of the disaster in Haiti has my mind rushing to worrying thoughts on how the disaster will increase human trafficking in the country. Such a large scale disaster will undoubtedly leave thousands and thousands of children, and their families, at an increased to be victimized by modern slavery.

Haiti's Restavek system still has a tight grip on the community, leaving some 300,000 children in the country enslaved as

domestic workers according to the UN. It is these children who will continue to anguish and suffer the most in the shadows of the earthquake.

I bolded the parts that show you her child trafficking.

I assume she wanted them for herself /s

Source :https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/690

This was written about Laura Silsby back in 2011. Lots of back story on here and her phony orphanage. http://www.reformtalk.net/2011/05/24/silsby-the-ultimate-savior-complex-updated/

Great job! You have achieved: Digger Badge. Bookmarking. I was actually looking for this so it's a huge help.

Oh good. I posted it a while back when I found it. I had to go back through my posts to find it. Lots of old stuff in there before she went to Haiti.

Thanks for the badge. I will wear it with honor.

I will see what I can find on the Sanders guy. I've never heard of him.

I kind of want to go to the family's defense. Seeming normal family from a person that knows them. Went to high school with her son Austin and played on sports teams with him. He has if commented on this and says its ridiculous that people could think that.

Ask him about the CNN report about his mom and the shady shit she was proven to have done in Haiti and report back

Im not really in contact with him anymore unless we run into eachother at a party or a bar. Interesting enough he plays on the Boise state football team. Im like half n half on the situation. Totally believe something shady but then I don't want to believe I I lve personally met this people. But snakes do hide in the grass

so what was your reaction when she got arrested ?

Its half n half. I don't want to believe that its some big conspiracy but facts are facts she did get caught. They seem normal

All psychopaths seem normal. Dahmer, Bundy, etc.

The Silicon Valley connection is interesting too, a former HP employee, founder of a failed internet start up, married at a former HP executive, now works at a company providing emergency notification services.

I hope investigators go down that route as well. Silicon Valley is involved.

I really wish people wouldn't use clipart gifs from geocities circa 1999. I'm not reading past that, its not credible. The holy grail could be at the end and I'll never give a fuck.

I'm pretty sure the "back to 2001" thing is incorrect. I think the date got reset on the 2001 email: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3741

Because it's dated Jan 1 2001 (some kind of default date) and talks about the earthquake, which happened in 2010.

(This does not "debunk" pizzagate, I'm just trying to stop the spread of debunkable stories so we can focus on the legit aspects of the evidence.)

We will have to look into this. I believe George Webb showed an email as far back as 2002; we will need to confirm this, if this is a mistake. He said hundreds of emails from Huma Abedin. I will help verify. Good question though.

Ah, there may be Huma Abedin emails that are not public. But there's no way to prove them publicly.

So glad you've latched onto George Webb's info. Much love to you. Keep digging!

Huma Abedin was communicating via hundreds of emails going back to 2001 with Laura Silsby

what am I missing here? I don't see a single email between Huma and Laura Silsby.

Huma Abedin was funnelling emails about Silsby's Haitian enterprise to Hillary as far back as 2001

the wikileaks email in question is clearly referring to the haiti earthquake which happened on January 12th, 2010. The earliest emails regarding Silsby appear to be from 2010, NOT 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case

Hillary flew down to negotiate Silsby's release, as revealed in Wikileaks' emails.

Pretty sure it was Bill Clinton who negotiated for her, because he was already there. But Hillary's involvement (as secretary of state) and Bill's (as a diplomat with close ties in Haiti, who was playing a large role in the disaster "redevelopment") should not be controversial given the official explanation that they were attempting to save orphans from the streets.

I agree that it's a shady story. Why are they just grabbing random kids off the streets? Many of whom appeared to not be orphans... But lets not misrepresent the facts.

An investigative reporter, Monica Petersen, who was investigating the clinton made textile factory and human trafficking in Haiti ended up dead

where is the evidence that monica peterson was investing the Clinton Foundation? I think this is almost certainly not true, officially. Can you cite anyone close to her who makes that claim?

Thank you for breathing some sense into this ridiculous /r/T_D knock off circle jerk. God this place is a fucking circus.

I'm getting pretty tired of the r/conspiracy = r/The_Donald circle jerk

Can't really help it if it's true.

When trivial developments in the most ridiculous, strenuous theories about Hillary (which to be fair, is what this sub is all about) are up voted whilst equivalent conspiracies about Trump which are getting world wide attention are being removed because they're 'refuted by the MSM' (aren't all fucking conspiracies?) then that's something that needs to be pointed out.

https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/11/18/i-found-a-smoking-gun-monica-petersen-found-dead-in-haiti-3-days-ago-family-is-kept-in-the-dark-she-was-investigating-clinton/

where is the evidence that monica peterson was investing the Clinton Foundation? I think this is almost certainly not true, officially. Can you cite anyone close to her who makes that claim?

Don't like linking this sub, but the only archive of the Facebook messages with her brother.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5di617/oc_pizzagate_monica_peterson_of_haiti_committed/

And this is an editorialized article but has legitimate FB comments of her friends posts regarding her death.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2016/11/17/woman-clinton-foundation-dead/

Monica's mom being suspicious of the death at 10:25

https://vid.me/gcj6

And an article by Monica about her work

http://humantraffickingcenter.org/root-causes-contradictions-displaced-youth-along-u-s-mexico-border/

No definitive link besides her friend's speculations, but it is really odd the reddit search function is only turning up 5 or so threads considering when it happened there was at least 30 on /r/conspiracy alone. Could be because of doxxing facebook comments of her friend's posts without their names blurred.

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Woah more crazy conspiracy shit? Let me just Correct The Record™ here, your sources are all obviously biased. Like wikipedia? Come on man. Besides, what about all those kids trump was with, aren't they like the same thing? After all those hundreds of clinton-epstein connections made, it's not like they would just losely push a trump-epstein connection to muddy the waters and cover their asses. I mean I don't have any proof for that claim but should I need any? We need to keep Correcting The Record™ because I heard there have been BILLIONS of pizza shops attacked EVERY SINGLE DAY thanks to this horrible pizzagate rumor, clearly it's dangerous and we shouldn't talk about it.

REDDITOR discovered the Clinton-Silsby connection. Hillary flew down to negotiate Silsby's release, as revealed in Wikileaks' emails.

I see no evidence of that in the Wikileaks emails or in the four sources that you provided.

There is no evidence that Hillary flew to Haiti or worked to secure Silsby's release. And Silsby was in fact convicted and sentenced to time served in Haiti before returning to the US and facing additional legal problems.

Maybe you can show me exactly where it is in the Wikileaks emails that proves that Hillary flew to Haiti and worked on Silsbys' behalf.

Bill. Do you know how Google works?

I didn't find any source. Do you have one?

www.google.com

I searched for it already. I didn't find any proof. So I'll just assume that you're deflecting until you actually provide something other than a link to google. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

I left you a link, shut up already.

Having a hard time keeping all your alt accounts straight?

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/article197149.ece

The intervention of Bill Clinton, the former president, who is co-ordinating relief efforts in Haiti, may accelerate the resolution of an affair that has embarrassed the US government, dismayed relief agencies and angered many Haitians who believe their plight is being exploited by unscrupulous foreigners.

Try reading your source before using it.

Im kind of confused, what are you telling us?

The Claim:

Hillary flew down to negotiate Silsby's release, as revealed in Wikileaks' emails.

The Source:

The intervention of Bill Clinton, the former president, who is co-ordinating relief efforts in Haiti

I never made the hilliary claimed, but seeing as you are my personal fact checker, I guess you skimmed over this post

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5oyrej/what_the_msm_wont_tell_you_is_hillary_clintons/dcnpf8c/

may lead to the release this week of all except the group's leader, Laura Silsby

So no release of Silsby. By the way they never did petition for Silsby to be released. She was convicted. The State Department explicitly said that they wanted Haitian authorities to decide on their own.

The State Department has said that whether to pursue charges for any possible violations of Haitian law remains a Haitian decision.

Source: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/world/americas/05orphans.html?_r=0&amp;pagewanted=all&amp;referer=

Hold on let me get on the right account to respond..

Still working on it?

Seeing we are spit balling here, perhaps them saying we will leave to the Haitians to judge, is a form of punishment for getting caught?

Is that out of the realm of possibility?

So the Hillary Bill flew down to Haiti just to intervene on Silsby's behalf, while also intervening to punish her for getting caught?

I believe there were 10 total people that were caught up in the case. Why bring home just 8?

Because those 8 were not the leader. They all claim that they were misled.

The State Department let Silsby be convicted because she was the leader. Neither Bill nor Hillary petitioned for her release.

Im not sure that we can definitively say that they Bill did not give a hint hint wink wink. The charges were lowered after all.

"The charges against Silsby were eventually reduced from conspiracy and child abduction to "arranging irregular travel". " from the wiki on this shit

That's true. And I don't think it would be unusual. The US often intervenes when its citizens have legal trouble abroad. But there's no evidence. Which completely contradicts the original post that claims that the Wikileaks emails prove that Hillary helped Silsby. That's a straight up lie.

I think the most likely explanation is that Silsby was overzealous- she probably believed that she was helping these children in some sick way. But I find it extremely unlikely that she had some plan to bring them back to the US to sell in sexual slavery to the elite. That's just another wild speculation. The only reason this theory has gotten any traction is because of the political angle.

Hey ill be honest. I didnt come up with these theories. Just digging around like the rest of the folk here, looking for some truth.

I think one part of the story we havent touched was how she claimed they were all orphans, yet none of them were. Maybe she truly wanted to help, maybe she was doing somebody a favor and getting more fresh meat. I have no idea, truthfully. Just the way some dots connect seem suspicious to me. Ill be honest in saying that I never really looked into this story, until tonight.

Agreed, that if John Kerry went to free them instead, we wouldnt be talking.

Yeah, you seem like a reasonable guy. I don't mind discussing things like this when people have open minds.

Silsby is definitely a freak. Apparently, she took these children from their parents who gave them away willingly, hoping they would have a better life with the Americans. They were not orphans and they did not come from an orphanage. She deceived the other members of her group. The Wikipedia article and links are pretty interesting.

Agreed, that if John Kerry went to free them instead, we wouldnt be talking.

Bingo. It's very politicized.

Tell that to the dude other in R/politics that thinks the jokes on me for posting over here.

But I try to keep an open mind for sure. Im still on the fence with this all. My gut tells me its a distraction from something. But fuck if that guys Instagram wasn't creepy as all hell. That is kind of what convinced me, there is a possibility to it all. Too many pieces fit, while some seem to be grasping for straws.

Reading some shit somewhere yesterday about the shooting too, and how the guy just happened to hit a hard drive with his gun shot.

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. I guess the instagram bothered me less. It seemed like a bunch of hip urbanites trying to be edgy and shocking. I know a lot of people just like that. And I'm pretty skeptical that these guys would be sending these signals out in the open, on social media.

And r/politics is trash. They are there own kind of circlejerk. You should have seen it during the days of Bernie

I can only post every 10 minutes over there lol total cesspool.

But thanks for the level headed convo, its getting rare to see that type of communication, here or anywhere. The wedge between people in america is disheartening.

She seems like she had no good defense to these charges so she got lucky they reduced them.

All her defenses to ignorance are undermined by her lies (that they were orphans, that she built an orphanage, they even doctored their birth records). No reasonable international adoption agency would think you could just take kids over a border the way she did. Then you look at her financial motive and it's amazing they agreed not to charge her. Evidently average Haitians were ticked off by it which let to the arrests in the first place but the Haitian people are used to taking a backseat to the interests of U.S. citizens.

Because of the history of the U.S. involvement in Haiti I think it is totally appropriate to wonder if Clinton convinced the government to seek reduced charges. The prosecutors evidently thought they had enough to prove other crimes and if you read the Harvard Law Review article it seems like she was guilty--no reasonable international adoption agency would behave as recklessly as she did. She knew she was violating the law.

Sure, the U.S. gets involved in some cases internationally but why this one? Why was Huma forwarding these to Hillary?

And one possibility is that Huma was concerned that Bill and the U.S. were supporting a child trafficker.

This Harvard law review article has links to the sources indicating Bill Clinton, who was nominated as Special Envoy to Haiti for the United Nations, worked to free everyone except Silby.

http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/King.pdf

Yeah. That's what I found too. Silsby knew what she was doing and she was clearly guilty. I would guess that it's a case of religious overzealousness. In my experience, people will do crazy things if they think that's it's god's will.

Huma forwarded the emails to Hillary probably because it was a case that is relevant to the State Department- American citizens in legal trouble abroad.

Yeah, there is good reason for Huma to forward the e-mails (1. as you note, they are U.S. citizens creating problems and getting press, and 2. her Husband was negotiating on their behalf). Hard to discern intent just from the fact of sending the emails.

But I'm not buying the religious overzealousness defense.

Can Hillary tell the future and rig wikileaks?

There is no evidence that Clinton flew to Haiti to broker their release is your argument?

Good work man.

Lying to the parents about where the kids away permanently, only to goto school.

This post is misleading. I'm no shill, and I'm very open to considering alternative theories and revisionist history, but I'm familiar with this story, and the people involved did not "kidnap" children in the conventional sense of that term.

After the earthquake in Haiti, there was a ton of orphans. There were unaccompanied minors everywhere, and international charity orgs were looking for ways to deal with the sudden several thousand percent increase in orphans. One solution a lot of NGOs pursued was shipping the kids out of country to go to orphanages, adoption agencies, or government facilities in other countries.

Lots of charities were doing this, but if you think about suddenly orphaned children, they present special problems: very young ones don't even know their last name, their parents names, if their parents survived, etc. Most children will have no documentation proving their identity, and if their house got leveled and mom's dead, you might never find this info. So what do the charities do? Only try to place children if you can prove their identity? Or that their parents are dead? Or do you just try to help everyone?

The arrests that happened over this issue were because NGOs were taking children out of the country without any documentation for the kids. The NGOs were saying, "hey, we're helping these kids", while the Haitian government was saying, "you can't just take these kids and adopt them out when we don't even know their last names". The NGOs kept doing it, so the government of Haiti, which had much bigger problems at the time, made arrests.

There were no laws about "unlawfully transporting unidentified minor children out of the country for purposes of adoption", so they were charged with kidnapping. This was not a case of charity workers snatching kids off the street for export, it was a case of NGOs trying to deal with the massive amount of newly orphaned children in Haiti, and the government trying to stop the massive outflows of people from Haiti post-earthquake.

Now, you could argue that the NGOs behaved unethically, jumped the gun, were overzealous, or even acted without regard for the laws of the country in which they were operating. However, I'm afraid it's disingenuous, if not outright misleading, to characterize what these people were doing as "kidnapping" in the conventional sense of that word. And to connect what these people did with wider issues of human trafficking and child sex abuse is a jump in logic that is supported by no evidence at all. Given evidence, I'd be willing to entertain the idea that these people acted recklessly, without accountability or regard for the law. But the burden of proof for connecting these charges to "international child sex rings" or any kind of human trafficking has not been met, not even close, and would require a lot of evidence that just isn't there.

If anyone has any substantial evidence, I'd love to see it, but as it stands, I think this post title is pretty misleading and inaccurate, especially since people tend to only read the headline and accept it uncritically, without investigating these claims further.

r/conspiracy could be a great sub. It has potential. There are some smart, knowledgeable posters here. But if you want to be taken seriously at all, you have to approach these things critically. Your first instinct shouldn't be "what evidence can I find to support the conclusion I want?" but rather it should be "can I disprove this claim or find evidence against it or a more plausible explanation?" Only after ruling out everything else should we start to consider the "conspiracy theory" as an explanation, because often things are much more complicated than "a bunch of rich powerful guys in a room decided to work together to influence outcomes of significant world events".

thank you. that is exactly what I was coming in here to write.

There is the small problem that most of the 33 children were taken from their families and were not orphans.

"The majority of these children have families. Some of the older ones said their parents are alive, and some gave an address and phone numbers," said Vargas, a Costa Rican who is in charge of SOS Children's operations in Central America, (s)

The story is quite odd and many parts of it don't make sense. I also do have to wonder why Laura Silsby was in such close contact with Hillary, even telling her the estimated cost of transporting the children as was later found out through wikileaks. Hillary going out of her way to help an Idaho baptist society multiple times and in huge ways is strange any way you look at it.

The majority of the kids were older than 12 as well. And literally from the first sentence of the Wikipedia page.

The New Life Children’s Refuge case was a legal case about an incident which occurred in the chaotic aftermath of the January 12th 2010 Haiti earthquake. On January 29, 2010, a group of ten American Baptist missionaries from Idaho attempted to cross the Haiti-Dominican Republic border with 33 Haitian children, most of whom were not orphans and had families.

They weren't orphans. This poster didn't do their research.

If you're alleging child sex trafficking, why wouldn't they take orphans then? That Telegraph article even says that these groups were rushing to get kids out to protect them from sex trafficking. It's reckless, no doubt, but where are the actual sex trafficking ties?

If you're alleging child sex trafficking, why wouldn't they take orphans then?

Considering the havoc happening in Haiti at the time, they probably didn't know/care if they were orphans. The kids were probably wandering the streets and then convinced to follow the group, not knowing they were going to be kidnapped.

It's reckless, no doubt, but where are the actual sex trafficking ties?

Well what do you think most trafficked humans to 1st world countries end up doing? Certainly isn't labor. Sex is the most common among most kidnappers.

you have a dead reporter and a lawyer who seemed to have similar issues, but wouldn't that make him knowledgeable on the subject at least?

Who are you referring to as him?

I was referring to the lawyer as "him." He's definitely a bad person, so I edited my comment to remove the part about him being knowledgeable.

I understand that sex trafficking occurs there, but the articles clearly state that many groups were ushering these kids out to protect them from that. I guess you just don't buy that story? If you don't, then where are the sex trafficking connections in this case? Just charities taking kids out of disasters? Did the arrested have prior sex trafficking histories?

I see the lawyer being cited a lot, but it looks like that was just a guy trying to get a quick buck. Are there further ties between him and Silsby?

There just isn't enough here to be taken seriously.

I understand that sex trafficking occurs there, but the articles clearly state that many groups were ushering these kids out to protect them from that. We both agree it was reckless.

They didn't take kids without asking "where do you live?" or "where are your parents?" though. And they certainly didn't illegally kidnap kids to a different country after being in communication with the SoS.

Is it just a general observation about charities taking kids out of disasters? Did the arrested have prior sex trafficking histories?

No, many charities are speculated to engage in this not just NGOs in Haiti. Disaster stricken countries where NGOs operate see a huge uptick in missing children. Taking children out of countries while being in communication with people like Huma who specified how much it would be to fly the children over is sketchy, at the very least.

I see the lawyer being cited a lot, but it looks like that was just a guy trying to get a quick buck. Are there further ties between him and Silsby?

Not that I know of, I would argue that's a minor point of the story. Monica Peterson in combination of this story seals the deal for me. Read this article to get a hint of how Haiti is being used for trafficking in Monica's very suspicious death when investigating Hillary's brother's mining operation/The Clinton Foundation.

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/washington-post-misinforms-readers-about-monica-petersen-pizzagate/18705/

When you have a human trafficking investigator die after claiming she was about to expose the Clinton Foundation and with her mom and friends very suspicious about her suicide it's kinda serious. I combination with all of the other sketchy shit the Clintons have done in Haiti there's more than enough evidence to believe it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35221007/ns/world_news-haiti/t/many-children-taken-americans-not-orphans/

They didn't ask that, they actually knew and met the parents. They had the parents' consent, in some cases.

How is Huma helping them sketchy? Hillary's career has focused on womens' and childrens' issues. What exactly is sketchy about an SoS aide communicating with a charity engaging in a relief mission involving kids. The emails don't shown very much, btw.

That article misconstrues quite a bit, I'll try to show how when I have time. I'll edit this post.

She's not an investigator, she was an intern. Let's be clear-she had little experience. How do you know she was going to expose Clinton? All it shows in that article is that she believes Clinton's brother is doing these things, but offers no evidence. You're basing that on her belief, without any corroborating evidence.

All the other sketchy shit

Like what? Try to help people, meet with their leaders?

There is enough to be taken seriously. It seems like an egregious violation to sweep in and try to take kids across the border for an adoption.

But you're right that there is no sex angle to these particular allegations. It sounds like she had a profit motive and there is no proof of a sex angle. Since she had some sort of U.S. operation one can presume she intended to adopt the kids to American families for $10,000.

But Silsby seems like the person who might be tempted to take $15,000 per kid without asking too many questions . . .

It is odd Clinton is helping this group, no?

This law review article does a good job of describing the facts and legal issues.

I suggest you read it.

The evidence points to kidnapping right now, so who knows if it's for sex trafficking. It seems like the ringleader was hard up for cash and was going to have people pay $10,000 per kid so she probably hoped to sell/adopt them to "nice" homes in the U.S.

Horse shit and you know it. The children that were abducted in Haiti had parents that were alive and relevamt parties were lied to. You are disgusting for spreading this kind of disinformation.

You know, a lot of this is just common sense; every time one of these natural disasters happens in a 3rd world country, there's an orphan crisis. It's predictable. Talking about these issues, which were discussed in all kinds of media during and after the earthquake, is not "disinformation". Disinformation is making outlandish claims with no factual basis for the sake of obfuscation. Being willing to consider multiple theories besides "OMG, it's a child sex slave trafficking ring, just like Boys Town!" isn't disinfo, it's the most basic step you'd have to take in addressing a story like this with an even minimal level of critical thinking.

It would be great if you would cite your sources like OP did. Till then YOUR claims are just that.

Or if you wanted to know the truth, you could just, you know, Google it. Or have the critical thinking skills to realize OP's links to "FightTheNWO.biz" don't qualify as legitimate, objective news, but apparently that's too much to ask from the people in this sub. So ok, you got me, I did the work for you. First, just to establish the basic humanitarian concern:

"Aid workers expect that a massive spike in the number of orphans will create its own pressing humanitarian problem: should Haitian children be adopted by foreign families or stay in their home country? Jets are already arrivng at Haiti's main international airport ready to fill up with orphans for adoption overseas, raising fears of a free-for-all in which would-be parents can adopt without the usual safety checks.

Planeloads of children have already left for the United States and the Netherlands and France, raising fears of fast-track adoptions like those following the Kashmir earthquake of 2005 and the previous year's Indian Ocean tsunami. A group of 33 Haiti children were expected to meet their adoptive French families yesterday, after being flown out of the capital, while another 55 landed in the US on Tuesday.

"We are watching this with a great deal of discomfort," said Christopher de Bono, from the UN children's agency, Unicef. "There are at least tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands, of children in Port-au-Prince, in Haiti, who currently need urgent help. And they need that help in Haiti. "They don't need to be plucked out of the country and taken away," he said. Aid agencies have reported a flood of phone calls from families hoping to adopt children, but cautioned against moving youngsters from the country before they can be registered to determine whether they have any surviving family members.

"We remain focused on family unification and must be vigilant not to separate children from relatives in Haiti who are still alive but displaced, or to unknowingly assist criminals who traffic in children in such desperate times," said Matthew Chandler, a spokesman for the US department of homeland security. Catholic leaders and immigrant groups in Florida are urging that thousands of children be airlifted to their state. The plan is similar one that was carried out in 1960 called "Operation Pedro Pan", in which some 14,000 unaccompanied Cuban children were brought to the United States.

"The possibility of a child being mistakenly labelled as an orphan during this time is incredibly high," warned a spokesman for Save the Children, an international advocacy group. "Only once the family tracing effort has been exhausted and it is determined that children cannot be reunited, and after proper screening, should international adoption be considered."

    http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/haiti-home-of-a-million-orphans#full     

"Parents of some of the children confirmed to the press and testified in court that they gave up their children to the missionaries after being prom- ised by the recruiters and the group of Baptists that “the kids would be educated and relatives could visit them.”64 Reverend Sainvil convinced one parent to hand over his children to the missionaries for their better care, pointing out “that dead bodies buried under rubble in his El Citron neigh- borhood would breed disease.”65 Reverend Sainvil told reporters that: Everybody agreed that they knew where the children were going. The parents were told, and we confirmed they would be allowed to see the children and even take them back if need be.66 Adrien—the orphanage worker—stated that parents jumped at the offer, while a mother who handed over her daughter observed that it was “only because the bus was full that more children didn’t go.”67 The parents gave their consent to the missionaries to take their children under the impression that Silsby and her group were providing shelter and education; the parents’ understanding was not that they were permanently parting with their children.68 Contrary to the parents’ expectations, Silsby’s express intent—according to her online action plan—was to place the children for adoption

http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/King.pdf

Now, to the person who's comment this is a reply to, I don't care if this convinces you; realistically, these 2 articles alone constitute enough evidence that a reasonable person should realize the "this is just more Clinton child trafficking" explanation is not the only, or in fact, most plausible explanation here. I only wrote this comment so visitors to r/conspiracy who aren't totally immersed in the outlandish, paranoid, credulous thinking of the sub would realize that not everyone here just jumps on every conspiracy bandwagon just because a tortured case can be wrested from the available info. I don't know your ideology, I don't know what you already believe, and I don't care. But if you were to prosecute this case in a court, the evidence provided in my articles and OP's together could maybe get you negligence. What you couldn't get is a child trafficking conviction, because the evidence isn't there, and it's an even further leap to connect this to other supposed instances of child sex slavery by the elite.

Wake up.

...that's all you have to say? Why not discuss their points if you believe they've gotten something wrong?

Because it may detract from what they've already convinced themselves as being true. For some folks around here, the mere title of a post is enough.

False. You're engaging in needless meta drama.

u/belaca got the major point totally wrong. He/She couldn't be more wrong.

Read the law review article he/she cites. It actually proves the opposite of what he said . . . that no reasonable international adoption agency would think they could just take kids in the manner Silby did.

The poster got the most important point wrong.

Silly was in fact convicted of child trafficking related crimes so the speculation that the most she could get is "negligence" is false. I'm not sure the type of 'intent' that was needed to be proved under Haitian law but evidently the prosecutors didn't buy her minimization/defense that she didn't know taking the kids was illegal. As the law review article the poster cites indicates, Silby engaged in an egregious violation of law. Anyone involved in international adoption would know not to do what she did.

To what? Explain, in detail, just what you mean. Go ahead, we will wait. I know everyone can earnestly think for themselves around here, so I am interested on your take.

Sure. While I dont believe that Hilary Clinton is directly responsible for human trafficking in Haiti, I know there is enough evidence to suggest that its definitely happening to those people in Haiti and that theres a human trafficking ring and market in America, and looking back, I suppose youre not arguing that its not happening over there, but that people are exaggerating the Hil-dog connection. Can we agree on that?

So basically, I meant wake up to the fact that something really rotten is going on. The huge bust in Norway, what happened with Sandusky, the Catholic Church, the Saville bust, and all the circumstantial evidence around pizzagate, the disgusting code talk in the Wikileaks podesta emails. Something is going on.

The person's main conclusion . . . that the most Silby could be guilty of is negligence, is completely the opposite of reality. She was in fact convicted of trafficking related crimes in Haiti.

Wake up can be referred to the knee jerk reaction to defend Silby because of her connection to Clinton when it becomes apparent if you read the law review article cited above that she was incredibly guilty.

The oddest part of her case to me was that she told the arresting officers she was as taking the kids to an orphanage she built, but there was no orphanage.

But she was in fact convicted of child trafficking related crimes in Haiti.

So we don't need to speculate, we can say authoritatively she was engaged in child trafficking.

I dunno I read your understanding of the story and I think 'man that is totally fucked up.'

Your first instinct shouldn't be "what evidence can I find to support the conclusion I want?" but rather it should be "can I disprove this claim or find evidence against it or a more plausible explanation?" Only after ruling out everything else should we start to consider the "conspiracy theory" as an explanation, because often things are much more complicated than "a bunch of rich powerful guys in a room decided to work together to influence outcomes of significant world events".

I like this sub, but this is the biggest problem here on both sides of a lot of people's arguments/theories. It's detrimental overall since a lot of people already have their mind made up and take what they read at face value, but it makes you keep your thinking cap on if you're aware of it and willing to keep searching on your own after you leave, you can almost make it beneficial to yourself. Unfortunately, people on the internet mostly like instant gratification and would rather prove that their right at the first turn than to shoot down their own idea after spending a lot of time on it.

The NGO is a cover story. Just like spies that are real priests and real politicians. Just like how the CIA uses cutouts. They have to use things with the "face of charity or social justice" but they have ulterior motives

She didn't even register as a NGO though. She lied about that.

I will see what I can find on the 2001 date, then you make a valid claim.

Doesn't she also have family terror ties?

Her mother is an Islamist. But probably not Huma herself.

huma was probably going to buy children on behalf of the saudi royal family for arranged marriage / sex slavery

Based on what exactly?

go back to r/hillaryclinton

Make baseless accusation > another poster asks for proof > tells poster to leave the sub. If your ideas can't stand up to scrutiny then it's time for you to reevaluate. Else you're just another intellectually dishonest sheep that yearns for their echo chamber. You're better than that, dude.

some stuff is well know and the debate is over so why waste time talking with pro Hillary kids

Huma is just the other half of the scissor

"They’re the lowest of the low. They’re despicable characters, and the FBI and its local law enforcement partners are committed to bringing these folks to justice."

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repository/ftw-podcast-human-trafficking-011917.mp3/view

Might as well label this the Donald

So wait...pizzagate isn't real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case

Been keeping up, shit just keeps getting real.

i have a dump this isnt me

98932297 98932264 holy shit anon.

This reminds me of something else that was going on in Slovenia in 1995 - the so-called "D'Onofrio Affair".

I recently researched this shit for a biopic I was adapting. Buckle up:

In 1995, Slovenia was a focal point for illegal arms deals that fueled multiple sides of the Yugoslav civil war.

One of the most colorful arms dealers was a guy named NICOLAS OMAN. Nicolas worked for a Swiss-German arms dealing company called MEREX AG.

Merex was founded in 1963 by SS Hauptsturmführer Gerhard Mertins. Mertins was a dear wartime friend of the notorious SS Obergruppenführer Otto Skorzeny. Both of them were kommandos on a famous mission where they hanglided off a mountain to bust Mussolini out of prison.

Skorzeny was one of the leaders of the so-called "Underground Reich" that took root in South America and maintained a covert, but powerful presence in western Europe. These ex-SS officers were largely true believers, but they sold their services to the USA to escape the gallows. From then on, they were on-and-off assets for the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies.

ANYWAY - Nicolas Oman became the Slovenian Ambassador to Liberia in the early 90s, where he became good friends with the infamous CHARLES TAYLOR, a CIA-backed warlord. Taylor also worked as an agent for MEREX AG, the Nazi company. Taylor was accused various times of eating the hearts of his enemies in occult voodoo rituals.

Nicolas Oman literally lived in a medieval castle in a town called BLED, and eventually (surprise surprise) he got in trouble for fucking pre-pubescent girls in Liberia. He fled to Australia, where he still lives AFAIK.

Nazis-Pedos-arms traffickers-terrorists-cannibals-satanists-CIA

It's all way more fucking connected than you think.

I didn't even get to the wild story of CIA Officer Roger D'Onofrio, Licio Gelli (an associate of Oman's), the Vatican Bank, and the money-laundering Archbishop... Best friend/colleague of suicided/assassinated Monica Peterson writes in January of 2016 about how when on a long term trip to study the pro-child trafficking culture and human trafficking of all forms (not just sexual) found evidence that the Hillary Clinton Foundation was involved in human trafficking although she states that she does not know to what extent. Her information also leads us to believe that out of three Hillary backed companies in Haiti two are almost sure to be involved in illegal human trafficking:

98937448 98937491 98937560 98937620 98937777 ^{^} Note my quad 7's. This is what kek wills of us to pursue pedes! second time getting quad 7s today.. THIS IS NOT A FALSE ALRM!

Secondary evidence showing Hillary Clinton has her hands all over Haiti child trafficking. Sick fuck.:

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Screenshots showing a reliable witness stating that she believes the internet in that her friend was murdered:

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TL;DR - Mandy Peterson a government hired cultural researcher was assigned to study the child trafficking pro-organizations and factions in Haiti. In early January of 2016 Mandys best friend and co-researcher Bella Robinson made a well informed post stating that the mining contracts, and the Clinton foundation were all partakinf in child trafficking.

Three days ago Mandy's family was contacted and told that Mandy's body had been found DEAD and that it is likely a suicide. Mandy's family AND friends do not believe that she killed herself and the government is now reportedly saying that they will not be able to have the body brought over from Haiti.

Mandy's co-researcher and best friend made a heartfelt goodbye to her fried but also posted a link to a Reddit thread where a Reddit anon details how the hillary Clinton foundation has her assasinated. A friend asks for details to which she states she will PM the used as it "shouldn't be in the public" and that she "finally knows what happened to Monica.

Jeff Koons.

I've seen his name dropped a few times so here is what I know about Koons.

A year or so ago there was a AMA thread on /b/ about the luminati/NWO. Unlike every other thread like this, this thread was extremely convincing. The OP replied with brief straight-forward responses, nothing vague or mysterious. OP mentioned he was an artist by profession then basically described the member arrangements within his organization without incriminating anyone. Twards the end before OP left he mentioned getting his "young blood treatment." Once he was gone anons found out from the pictures OP posted that the "artist" of the posted pics was Jeff Koons.

I wish I had more useful info and do not mean to side track the investigation but this memory has stuck with me hard, I actually believe OP was Jeff Koons. Who proclaimed in that thread that he was a lower ranking member of the NWO. The thread read like no other I've seen sense.

What does /pol/ have on him?

Pic related. you get to a point in your life where the more out of context and unreasonable something is the more you need to investigate it. think about what it really means, when someoone says something you heard is "made up".

INFORM YOURSELF ON THE SUBJECT – UNRELATED TO COMET PING PONG -

[x]underground sex http://pastebin.com/36Q0yKSM

[X]pedophile ring http://pastebin.com/T7mAXDaq

[v]Jew York F8I Leaks http://pastebin.com/kRjKPK1H

[ORIGINAL RESEARCH] Evidence for an International Child Sex Ring http://pastebin.com/RPTLE0W8

Epstein's Little Black Book http://pastebin.com/m7FYj73Z

Billionaire Pedophile Jeffrey (((Epstein))) Sent Bill Clinton $3.5 Million From Secret Swiss Bank Account http://pastebin.com/GsYbAQtp

Tons of pre-existing evidence of global pedo-ring implicating governments and etc. http://pastebin.com/eUvcF9bm

A Powerful Billionaire, the Sex Scandal that Undid Him, and All the Justice that Money Can Buy: http://pastebin.com/BpiSdSXp

Pedowood

https://archive.is/1edpM VERY USEFUL INFOGRAPH ABOUT PIZZAGATE :

http://is.4chan.org/pol/1478825404703.jpg You don't want to forget about Sandusky and Penn State.

http://www.henrymakow.com/penn_state_scandal_is_bigger_t.html#sthash.1aprQC4E.dpuf

Here it gets interesting - "The Second Mile Foundation was recognized as one of President Bush's 1000 Points of Light. Marvin P. Bush is on the National Collegiate Athletic Association Board of Directors (From Anon >>98040409 ?)This is a list of people who wrote letters in support of a convicted pedophile high school teacher from McLean, VA named Christopher Kloman https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/835178/kloman-letter-writers.pdf

Christopher Kloman: http://wjla.com/news/local/christopher-kloman-to-be-sentenced-95586

The Alefantis owns 2 properties in McLean, VA, right next to the CIA's HQ WATCH THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9itWsqzFMVo&amp;app=desktop [Embed]

CATCH UP ON THE TRAIN THERE’S SO MUCH INFO OUT THERE ABOUT PIZZAGATE: http://pastebin.com/2fPyB4UA http://pastebin.com/pEkBMJMf http://pastebin.com/Sb3xXvdv http://pastebin.com/yTSsq8iq http://archive.is/LoIgS

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bpa7c/breaking_from_the_anon_who_brought_you_the_laura/

'"James Alefantis'" instagram by morning of 11/7/16 it was set to private: http://pastebin.com/JktVbhZ7

The dominoes are starting to stack up. http://pastebin.com/T7mAXDaq

Comet Ping Pong birthday party with MajesticApe http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93f_1478801482

SECOND INVESTIGATION, THIS IS ALL LINKED :

Midland, Texas where Bush Family is from Child Trafficking confirmed nearby in the past: http://m.kltv.com/kltv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:yd08H7du Missing Minors in Texas: http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/More-than-a-dozen-Texas-minors-have-gone-missing-6402150.php Ex-Sherrif's Deputy dies in shootout with local police and feds: http://m.oaoa.com/news/crime_justice/law_enforcement/article_f6b4a8d6-e7b0-11e5-83d6-7f8b044c591c.html?mode=jqm Tunnels nearby Buddy Webb's property heading towards Home Depot and a storage unit (digging on video) Suspicious deaths (like murder suicides) have been happening in the surrounding area

someone look into this it’s sketchy as fuck and has the Boylover symbol http://childcarecenter.us/provider On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tamera Luzzatto <tluzzatto@pewtrusts.org>

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2/2 It depends. The ruling class simply wants to rule over an indifferent mass. However, many do believe that in the end times, a war of ideas will occur and they will prevail through the intervention of a "messiah". Which makes it scarier because there are powerful people who legitimately believe through mass war and death, peace will come. My magicks tell me that OP is mostly legit, or if he's larping he's got accurate info anyways.steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+csgo_download_match%20CSGO-Zjm7j-bdbAE-UmTN7-HiOLv-fCsOH Belgium, this little country between France and the Netherlands, is also the home of the European Union, NATO, and, I am told, a massive computer centre where databases on all the people of the world are being compiled.

The name of the global pedophile ring is "The Visionaries". They are hidden within art organizations in The United States and Europe, and have franchises all around the world.

They run 'outsider' art galleries that are actually just advertisements for Satanic rituals, and they bid on paintings at high class galas hosted by celebrities and politicians.

The main administration is run by psychiatrists who control the artists through drugging and asylum. Many of them were formerly abused, and lie about it in their artist bios. The psychiatrists are mostly based out of Virginia Commonwealth University. They are a modern MKUltra operation meant to launder human trafficking money and gain power on the global elite.

The Visionaries run franchises through art societies based in Richmond, Virginia and Lausanne, Switzerland. The Souls Grown Deep foundation, one of the nodes, hosts eyes wide shut parties through the art auction method.

"“Eric McFadden, who was Hillary’s Catholic liaison in the primaries, was arrested yesterday forrunning [sic] a prostitution ring.” I haven't seen this this Frank Winstead has died, but another guy from NC with the same name has a few articles about his death. I mean, it could be the same guy but he doesn't look 80 in this video.

So, what I've gathered about Frank Winstead is that he was the community appointed Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner (ANC) for Washington DC. And the reason the reported doesn't like him is because he seems to be a bit of a cunt (the ping-pong reference I assume is related to the video where he complained about them playing on the sidewalk). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftrcg0nB93w [Embed]

He takes his job way too seriously and uploads a bunch of videos all documenting unsafe shit in his neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/user/fwinstead/videos

His connection to PizzaGate is that 9 years ago he uploaded a video outside of Commet Ping-Pong to document the unsafe playing of ping-pong on the sidewalk. Anons have recently noticed that in this video, you can hear what appears to be a child screaming for help (although I ask why no one even the cameraman himself notices). just because you know the woods as evil doesnt mean the creatures of the forest are. dont feel that way. Observing actually helps.

Quantum researchers working at CERN with the Large Hadron Collider found that when they observed particles..yes, merely watched them, it CAUSED the particles to behave differently. Short explanation, their EXPECTATIONS and the mere fact that they were observing had a direct effect on quantum particles.

I haven't made a meme in my life, and I certainly cant crack an encryption. But observing..watching the rest of /pol do what it does, sends it energy and changes the outcome.

Read watch. Every scrap, every bit of information, every post you can, every news, every element. Sooner or later we'll all have amassed enough information collectively that it will combine the way it did for the election.

observe..observing affects the outcome Inviting children into The White House is a true cause. Paranoia is a real illness. I was an Anime addicted idiot who believed in Jewish conspiracies until I took the Paranoia No More Pill. My doctor prescribed me a monthly bottle. You can receive help too. Contact your local doctor pediatrician nutritionist psychologist for a dose of Paranoia No More over the counter.

98869913 I was referring to this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization)

They have a lot of Hollywood relations and are connected to NCMEC, which is the founder of ICMEC

This could be a our link to the Pedowood branch Bill Havre is a man who helps register companies. He helped Rachel Chandler, who is reported to have visited Epstein's pedo island with Bill Clinton. He also registered z-sec.io, Zanarkand. There is a cypher at the bottom of the page. When translated one of the hits is 'Missing British Girl Madeleine Mccann Portugal Two Zero Zero Seven.' https://www.z-sec.io/

IT security company from GA created by this mysterious Bill Havre, who also created Rachel Chandler's modeling agency and literally a thousand other companies.

At the bottom of their webpage is some sentence written in a cipher we are trying to break.

Heavy Breathing makes multiple posts lashing out against "alt-right conspiracy" Besta Pizza changes their pedo logo to be less pedo Comet pizza goes on defensive and enlists hundreds of people to bury the 1 star reviews on Facebook mentioning pedophilia Yelp goes into damage control and erases multiple reviews on Comet Pizza Businesses in surrounding areas start removing pedo logos from their websites Comet Pizza owner labels these claims "alt-right conspiracy" Comet Pizza owner makes his Instagram private Comet Pizza owner deletes 40+ photos Numerous other connections delete or make pages private

Yep. Nothing to see here. Pack it up fags.

Believe it or not there are some regular every day people who see you guys for the straw graspers you are. Sorry the politically incorrect board is too harsh for you and abnormal. We should be discussing knitting and hugging puppies. Faggot. Guys, I'm really kinda freaking out. Let me just give you the overview of my investigation into Rachel Chandler, former rider of the Lolita Express with Bill and Jeff.

This led me to investigate her tumblr page, http://rachelchandler.tumblr.com/ and http://rachelchandlerparty.tumblr.com/

Check it out for yourself, the place is filled with weird pictures of children much like the other instagram feeds we've previously investigated.

98736590 Continued from above.

So who is Walter J Pearce then?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Walter+J+Pearce+Real+Estate/@31.5258198,-97.141807,12.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb25356adc1e22a04!8m2!3d31.545283!4d-97.169791

Apparently a real estate agent in.........

WACO TEXAS.

Why... what... and why so little information?

So just to recap everyone.

Rachel Chandler, rider of the Lolita Express with Jeff and Bill, owns a modeling company in New York, registered to a company registered to a random guy from Wyoming. That modeling company is co-owned by a small time real estate mogul from Waco Texas, scene of the famous Waco siege during Bill's presidency.

What are all these strings, and someone help me tie them together! Ok the story gets worse. http://rachelchandler.tumblr.com/image/144108869692 this boy was a very peculiar target for the picture, considering the poses, ballerina shoes and snakeskin pants. The CSS prevented us from viewing who shared and liked, but it doesn't work in mobile so we found 63 associated accounts and began an investigation. The majority of these tumblr accounts were filled with obscene, usually borderline pictures of children, bdsm, hardcore porn and the occult. Truly some sick shit, with a special focus on eyes for whatever reason.

Some really really weird stuff turned up, disturbing pictures of children or drawn of children. Previous threads will show my discussion but I can't find the instagram links now, hopefully someone else saved them.

Eventually we found her instagram https://www.instagram.com/ray.chandler/?hl=en which has more of the same from her tumblr, except it allowed us to find who the boy in the snakeskin pants is: a young teenage girl! Apparently he transitioned into a girl https://www.instagram.com/p/BIs6Ze6AHN-/

Moving on. Rachel Chandler and some guy named Walter Pearce apparently own a company, http://midland.agency/ that does photography for what appears to be scantily clad models.

That company was registered by REGISTERED AGENTS INC. http://imgur.com/TJnIhhI

which was a company in turn registered by

http://imgur.com/FwlLGqV

Bill Havre. Who is Bill Havre and why is he incorporating a random modeling agency in Washington DC when he himself is from Wyoming? i posted this last time, but i guess a bump is needed and maybe people find it still interesting: Good Humor owned by Unilever, Unilever CEO is Paul Polman. On twitter Paul Polman follows John Podesta and Bill Clinton when you look at the Unilever logo you will also sie the spiral from the pedo symbols in the down right corner of the U.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/59006

President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton will be joined by leaders such "I've come to realize that the biggest problem anywhere in the world, is that people’s perceptions of reality are compulsively filtered through the screening mesh of what they want and do not want to be true." -Travis Walton the execution of pedophilias ends is the means of production to slaveries beginnings Daily reminder that post-messiah Judaism is (literally) Christianity, meaning the true Israel is the spiritual body of Christendom.

email as well as numerous other AMOUNTs of circumstantial evidence altogether can't even add up to reasonable suspicion warranting simple questioning!?

Like are you aware that in most states, a foul odor is enough to give police this same suspicion to strip search and blood test someone for drug possesion and use?

hope something in there is of value

Wow guys. I'm going to go thru this stuff and pass along what I can to George Webb if I can find a contact for him other than his YouTube channel comments...which is just a one way

I explained the similarities in my life, and I cannot because it's been scrubbed from the state dept pdf.

That IS some quality reporting. Thank you.

The CIA has to be cut because it is a globalist organization serving for globalist interests, NOT American interests.

33 kids.

lol. confirmed fake news.

No just weird

It's a fabrication. Entire story could be made up.

clear chain of evidence

Need to remember this line!

Why is this deleted?

So? Tell me what I'm missing in the linked email and I'll scurry away if it pleases you.

^ ad hominem attack

You don't know that.

And child trafficking is an extremely profitable business

Wether you agree with me or not I thank you for reading my post history. I haven't read yours it doesn't interest me for some reason. I explained the similarities in my posts if you want to be more specific I can explain the content to you.

Of course that's no kind of logic at all. It's interesting that when I ask any of you for a credible source to substantiate this conspiracy I get no sources, only questions about the date I opened my account. Just out of curiosity what is the waiting period on an account before credible statements can be made from it?

I like that the moles think that we don't notice their presence. Its one thing to challenge an idea to refine the quality of the discussion but some of them are just here to shit on any instance of compelling dissent. When a post makes front-page and it contains well articulated reasons to support a formal investigation, they descend on it like firemen coming down a brass pole. The best is when they pretend to be crazies and post a bunch of nonsense to discredit the sub. Its like somebody taught psych 101 to a bunch of meat head jocks and they think they're fooling everyone with their master role playing.

Still working on it?

I agree that there isn't enough evidence to convict at this moment but don't you dare stand there and brush off his pedo artwork as inconsequential. People have been convicted on mounds of circumstantial evidence that when each peace is singled out by a sleazy defense attorney, can be argued to be inconsequential, but when you put it all together, juries see through the bullshit when there's too much coincidence to ignore. You argument would be sensible if you were arguing against any particular punishment, but you're arguing against a lawful investigation in light of some pretty compelling connections that may well turn out to be nonsense, but what kind of monsters would we be if there was something to it and those kids never get justice? It's worth a look, if the look is reasonable. I see no legitimate denial of that when the man's walls were plastered with pictures of children in their underwear in vulnerable positions. I respect any attempt to prevent a witch hunt. I felt the same way until I saw those paintings. This ain't no witch hunt. This fucker has it coming if he's going to put up pictures like that and post them all over twitter. Don't defend a scumbag just to be a contrarian either because then you're just enabling a monster.

It's not fair play to threaten people. Reddit is not anonymous. I suggest you reevaluate your quality as a human being and become a better person. This is disturbing behaviour.

It's a fabrication. Entire story could be made up.