Why Trump gets an automatic honeymoon from r/conspiracy
11 2017-01-20 by torkarl
Many posts these days object to the apparent pro-Trump take-over of r/conspiracy, on the reasonable grounds that conspiracy theory, almost by definition, distrusts the establishment, and therefore almost all politicians.
I'd love to see this thread include brief bullet points from serious r/conspiracy redditors explaining the "honeymoon effect", with lively discussion and rebuttals in sub-posts. I'll start with my three favorites:
It's only a honeymoon. We will go skeptical very fast and very hard if the next several months prove that Trump is just as bad as the rest
It's not who he is, it's who he isn't. Trump isn't affiliated with either the Obama/Clinton faction, or the Bush faction, which have held sway for over 20 years of conspiratorial calamity from both sides of US "normal politics"
Trump has made statements and announced policies that would indicate he is doubtful about the wisdom of America's program of military "adventures" overseas, which were justified by the "biggie" 9/**
Have at it.
28 comments
n/a pntsonfyre 2017-01-20
You may give him a honeymoon, however, usually if the beatings and cheating starts during the honeymoon it's a sign of a bad marriage.
"Trump has no affiliation with the Obama/Clinton faction" Uh huh. Sure. Which planet do you live on? They all have the same Masters.
n/a jdb888 2017-01-20
Exactly. Look at his appointees. Wall Street globalists intent on hallowing out the middle class and siphoning wealth to the one percent.
n/a 90s_camp 2017-01-20
He could have bigfoot in his cabinet forall I care; it's the results that count. So far he is anti-TPP and even anti-NAFTA. Great start!
n/a ronintetsuro 2017-01-20
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n/a no1113 2017-01-20
I think you meant "hollowing", as in "to make hollow/empty out" - not "hallowing" as in "to hallow and make holy/greater than".
I get your point though, and it's not an invalid one.
n/a cuch_a_sunt 2017-01-20
I think the opposition from the media/hollywood/cia makes it clear that they are not his masters. Maybe the old powerstructure is being replaced by elites who have disliked the other elite-faction for ages?
I have never seen such staunch opposition to a person ever. In my world, if the media and cia hates him, we should love him.
n/a whipnil 2017-01-20
That's introductory reverse psychology. You think they didn't pre-empt that. Everything they say is a lie. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
n/a pntsonfyre 2017-01-20
The media/hollywood/cia lies as a matter of course, how can you even be sure they're against him? Because they say they are on the teevee?
n/a TheWiredWorld 2017-01-20
Oh you mean all of that free advertisement that both gave him publicity and played into the theater of partisan politics? Fox is his cheer leader - let me guess, Fox isn't part of the MSM now?
Also, please stop with this stupid fucking argument. For a case of how the media actually treats someone they don't want, look no further than Ron Paul.
n/a cuch_a_sunt 2017-01-20
Ron Paul didnt win the nomination because what he said scared the shit out of the establishment so they completely ignored him. Im sure Trump saw this and knew he would get no coverage, and therefore no nomination so he went "all mexican are rapists++++" and they all elevated him so HRC could crush him and it totally backfired. Listen, i totally get your point, and it does bother me with his cabinet picks. I dont watch fox news or any of the us msm because they all suck. Ill give him a year before i make up my mind, completely. As for now its nice to have a tiny bit of hope, but hope is a fragile thing. TTT.
n/a whipnil 2017-01-20
Do attending weddings count as affiliations?
n/a torkarl 2017-01-20
op here: Clarification on what I mean by "no affiliation": He does not appear to be obviously under the control of either of the two same-but different factions previously in power.
Whatever different faction Trump might be under the control of (including Putin's), that is already under scrutiny by conspiracy theorists... have at it!
Of course he has had contact with both those factions.
n/a HD3D 2017-01-20
Define "they all"
Do you mean politicians, or anyone over a certain income level?
n/a McMikeHawk 2017-01-20
I believe that Trump will show us that he is not on our side very soon. The only question is when? How long do we have to sit back until we boil over and decide that our time is now? That the American government is corrupt and doesn't have The People's interests at hand? How long do we wait to sit back and watch Trump make his decisions before we decide to take matters into our own hands?
Might sound a little crazy, but I am pissed off. We should all be pissed off. Trump talked about strengthening our military, but for what reason? Pull out our troops from all over the damn globe and bring on a basic homeland protection service. A stronger military in the US would be suspicious. Why would we need that?
n/a CitationDependent 2017-01-20
And if he shows he is on our side, how long until you stop opposing him and plotting to overthrow?
n/a BigPharmaSucks 2017-01-20
I'm not saying it's impossible, but what are the odds that a billionaire that lives in a tower, buys politicians, and hangs out with the Clintons, cares on schmegle of am ounce about the average person?
n/a ronintetsuro 2017-01-20
Absolute zero, unless you're a mark ass trick that refuses to pay attention.
n/a GTheFaceL 2017-01-20
Have you seen his cabinet nominees? If that isn't a big flashing warning sign, I don't know what is.
n/a KlehmM 2017-01-20
Just because he's not with Obama/Bush, doesn't mean he's got the 99%'s best interests in mind. He's still heavily involved in the establishment. I'm sure he's had his share of rich people's struggles. Such as, how can I make even more money and pay even less taxes?
We're still on the bottom, people. And we still have no horse in this race.
n/a DrDarkMD 2017-01-20
Lol, you mean that Multi-billionaire who lives in a solid gold apartments at the top of a sky-scraper with his name on isn't for the working man and woman?
n/a CitationDependent 2017-01-20
Trump had never been the establishment or a politician.
Of course it's only a honeymoon, but the more people push the idea of let's saying current Obama bombings are a result of Trump,outright deny any fair discussion, and utterly contradict themselves just to proceed with their bias, the more polarized it will be. I hope the rhetoric does stop so there is a chance to be critical, rather than face fascist, nihilistic potentially paid commenters a that will proceed with ideology at all cost.
Nixon was a Bush and in the WH under Ike. The Bush Clinton machine goes back much further than 20 years and have produced some of the most in your face and wide-spread debasements of the country imaginable. It's funny how one of Hillary's bodyguards so casually mentions the Clintons meeting Bush in Mena. Their history is grotesque.
Trump's general stance on both ISIS and Syria as well as his previous positions on Libya make him seem like a guy who gets it. I am concerned with his pro-military/police stance because I don't yet know what it means. I am not against soldiers, I am against MIC spending and how he proceeds there will be an important factor in how I assess his presidency. I asked at his AMA how he would reduce the prison population, and I also submitted a similar question to the presidential debate question site. I don't want to see the further militarization of our police nor a continuation of the war on drugs.
A few other points is the vast number of people Trump met with in choosing his cabinet. The media is telling us his picks sucked . I guess they only like picks that waste $14 trillion on war. According to Tulsi Gabbard, a democrat who shares my views on Syria, their meeting was frank and positive. She supports his picks, and the media went after her for it.
We will soon be able to judge for ourselves.
n/a DrDarkMD 2017-01-20
As a Billionaire member of the 1% he is the establishment. How people can’t see this is beyond me. The man was born a fucking millionaire.
Nothing about Trump is anti-establishment, not a single fucking thing.
Politicians are controlled by corporate interests, which is exactly what Trump was previously. Politicians in many ways are better, because at least in theory they are held to account by the electorate. Trump never had that.
n/a CitationDependent 2017-01-20
The "establishment" is the control of the major industries. Trump was never near control of a major industry.
You consider Trump part of the establishment but don't care about the Rothschilds who set the world's price of gold, or the Saudis?
You do protest too much.
n/a ronintetsuro 2017-01-20
You're gonna break your back moving the goalposts that much by yourself.
n/a ronintetsuro 2017-01-20
This entire election cycle has been amazing. Look at how many adults know television isn't real but believe it anyway.
This is a nation of children.
n/a HD3D 2017-01-20
What power has he had over society, though? Didn't he just build a bunch of hotels?
n/a turbosympathique 2017-01-20
My clue about this is that they are a lot of patriot in the police and military who are fully aware of the corruption of the US republic by the Globalist elite at all level of government. They know who's who and they where able to neutralize them early.
(This is why he was able to win and stay alive)
n/a SufferinSycophant87 2017-01-20
Whatever the case is and whereever Trump's alignment with the people lies, he will be surrounded by some potentially scrupoulous characters.
Watch all of them, not just the appointed leaders throughout time. Throw the political wing handbook out the window, because it looks a pit full of snakes if anything.