Well, George Soros is being blame for all the Anti-Trump Manifestation since he supposedly finances them and he's known to be a "bad jew" in this subreddit.
George Soros isn't "the jews," he's a jew, and blaming him for things isn't equal to blaming jews for those same things any more than blaming Trump for something would be the same as blaming whites or christians for something.
I do blame "the jews" for a lot, but ijs. I'm a pedant.
those "anarchists" arent anarchist. they're paid rioters funded by soros. real anarchists have whats called a non aggression principal, and laugh at the left right paradigm and sheep buying into it all
The black bloc guys I met were not paid, and felt change could only happen through drastic shows of passion. When I asked why they were destructive, their reply was that it gets noticed.
Now, maybe their use of term anarchists is a misnomer, but just saying what they told me.
I told thrm the same, that they were targeting incorrectly, and they told me I didn't get it. I am for peaceful and emotional protesting. I don't mind being jailed but not into getting there for non peaceful means.
I think people say "Jews" instead of using a more accurate term, like Israeli or Zionist. I see some other comments here from people that feel the same way.
Most Jews are poor and just want to practice their religion and be left alone.
No one just hates Jews for no reason here. There is an obvious trend in history and present that Zionist Jews have a global influence unlike any other group of people.
Certainly. Look at the media for example. And the pharma industry. There are A LOT of rich, powerful, and influential Zionist Jews. A disproportionate amount. I'm not being racist and saying that their being Jewish is wrong, but historically, Zionist Jews are known manipulators and have an agenda that is detrimental to the normal population. George soros is a Hungarian Zionist jew if I'm not mistaken. Do some research.
Have you read the Talmud? My understanding is that most Jews have not.
We are all goyim, and the Talmud has rules for dealing with us. As you can imagine, it is not very nice. The Talmud also has rules for sex with underage children.
Am I anti-Semitic for pointing this out?
The Quran also has rules for dealing with non-Muslims, and it is not very nice.
Same with the Bible.
Maybe the problem is that these religions are not Secular. Maybe people should complain about non-Secular religions instead of complaining about Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
It did have rules for persecuting non-Jews who were committing capital offenses, but that was in the Old Testament. And that was only for the Jews.
The New Testament changed all that and Jesus opened and showed the way to loving enemies in a somewhat new way, also making available the love of God to both Jews and Gentiles.
I think these are all valid and good questions. Some of which are hard to answer simply.
From what I understand though the stonings and such were commanded in the OT for capital offenses (like the death penalty today). Same goes for the massacres of entire cities.
When Christ arrives on the scene however, the OT laws aren't abrogated, but fulfilled.
Fulfilled in a most unusual way.
Instead of the individual transgressors paying the ultimate penalty for their having transgressed God's law, Jesus willingly took the death penalty on himself, receiving in his own self the penalty on our behalf, though he himself had done nothing to transgress the law.
From a Christian perspective, the Old Testament paved the way for the New.
The OT law though has historically been divided into three categories ~ civil law, ceremonial law, and moral law.
Civil law governed ancient Israel while it was a theocracy.
Ceremonial law dealt with how people should interact with and worship God, and pointed to Christ (typology is fulfilled in Christ). While these were initially applicable to ancient Israel, some of them also crossed over into the Church after the time of Christ.
The moral law (ie - Ten Commandments) pertain to the immutable character of God. All people in all times and places are obligation to follow them since they reflect God’s character and represent best design for human flourishing and salvation. No civil society really functions, wittingly or unwittingly, without them. To the extent that a society jettisons these, that society become barbaric. Far from being abolished, Jesus clarified and strengthened the basis of the moral law in the NT beatitudes, in addition to fulfilling it himself.
There are prohibitions against homosexuality in the New Testament.
Some Jews DO accept and have accepted Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied about in the OT. In fact most of the first early Christians were Jews. Today, many Jewish Christians like to call themselves 'completed Jews' insofar as they believe that they have finally reconciled the mysteries of OT prophecy and Scripture in the person of Christ in their lives.
Actually, that is a very concise, well thought out answer. I am not a Christian, though, but I can tell you have studied these issues extensively. Do you meditate?
I think these are all valid and good questions. Some of which are hard to answer simply. Yes, I agree. If they were easy to answer, there would be a lot less conflict.
From what I understand though the stonings and such were commanded in the OT for capital offenses (like the death penalty today). Same goes for the massacres of entire cities. Yes, I do recall reading that. I have always wondered why god does not take the life of the guilty. Why is it left to humans to do it instead? After all, god will not make a mistake in carrying this out.
When Christ arrives on the scene however, the OT laws aren't abrogated, but fulfilled. I have heard this before.
Instead of the individual transgressors paying the ultimate penalty for their having transgressed God's law, Jesus willingly took the death penalty on himself, receiving in his own self the penalty on our behalf, though he himself had done nothing to transgress the law. Yes...
From a Christian perspective, the Old Testament paved the way for the New. Yes, from a Christian perspective.
The OT law though has historically been divided into three categories ~ civil law, ceremonial law, and moral law. Civil law governed ancient Israel while it was a theocracy. Where does the Talmud come into play? Have you read it? If so, what are your thoughts?
The moral law (ie - Ten Commandments) pertain to the immutable character of God. All people in all times and places are obligation to follow them since they reflect God’s character and represent best design for human flourishing and salvation. No civil society really functions, wittingly or unwittingly, without them. To the extent that a society jettisons these, that society becomes barbaric. Far from being abolished, Jesus clarified and strengthened the basis of the moral law in the NT beatitudes, in addition to fulfilling it himself. But, the Ten Commandments are in the OT, which has been fulfilled. Have you read much about pre-Christian history, like Confucius? I would hardly call their society barbaric.
There are prohibitions against homosexuality in the New Testament. Yes, read about it after I posted. There are a lot of prohibitions in the New Testament that people ignore. Do you believe that Lot is a righteous man?
Some Jews DO accept and have accepted Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied about in the OT. In fact most of the first early Christians were Jews. Today, many Jewish Christians like to call themselves 'completed Jews' insofar as they believe that they have finally reconciled the mysteries of OT prophecy and Scripture in the person of Christ and in their lives. Interesting. Do these Jews follow the Talmud?
Hi again! You are asking a lot of questions (all good ones!). But again, some of these are 'questions of the ages' and I'm not sure how adequately one can address them in reddit! :) That said, I will do my level best.
I do meditate -- but in the Christian fashion (fill the mind with Christ) rather than the eastern fashion (so-called emptying of the mind).
Why is it left to humans to do it instead?
I think this also may be a thread of the larger question 'why did God make humans in the first place?' The answer, as far as I can tell, has to do with the role and extent to which God desires to have people co-operate and participate in redemptive work on earth. In a sense, it shows God giving a long leash (free will) and hope and trust that humankind will do the right thing, participating on earth as it is in heaven.
I think the question -- why is it left for humans to do -- also has to do with 'why does God allow evil in the first place'? The closest insight I can get on that (why doesn't God just wipe out evil automatically?) is found in Matthew 13:24: a farmer planting seeds in the earth. Next to the good plants grow horrible weeds (tares), so extensively planted next to the wheat that they threaten the crop. The farmer's staff asks him if he wants them to go get rid of the weeds. And the farmer replies: ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them.' So in some mysterious way (from a human perspective, I'm sure it makes perfect sense from the divine) to uproot evil immediately would threaten everyone. This may have to do with the fact that each one of us has one evil at some point, and so if God 'got rid of evil', we would all be wiped out. Instead, God is merciful, and wants each of us to repent and be saved.
You asked next about the Talmud. I have not read it in its entirety, only portions, and believe it to be one of the wickedest, if not the most wicked, books in existence. The Talmud is a written compilation of the oral rabbinical 'interpretations' of Torah (or OT in general)', however since these rabbis and their interpretations of scripture ultimate rejected the Christ, the interpretations subsequently become more perverse, pointing further and further away from truth. In other words, Judaism (in terms of the OT religion) is not the same as talmudism. They are not the same religion. And Talmudism is anathema from a Christian perspective.
Our Lord spoke to those who would reject him even at the time he was on earth: "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars..." Revelation 3:9.
To answer your question, Jews who follow Jesus emphatically do not follow the Talmud. See Brother Nathanel Kapner (online) for more on this topic. He is a former Orthodox Jew, now Orthodox Christian. His style is a bit brusque, but his message regarding the talmud is exactly as I am telling you here. Again, the talmud is anathema from a Christian perspective.
<the Ten Commandments are in the OT, which has been fulfilled
The Ten Commandments have been fulfilled in Christ, however they have not yet been perfectly fulfilled in us (this gets back to the content at the beginning of my post). God wants us to become imitators of Christ, Christlike, and to fulfill the commandments by the power of Christ in us in our lives. Because they reveal the character of God, the need for them is never abrogated.
With regard to the pre-Christian history. I have not read that much on Confucius, but he did promote virtue ethics (a good thing), which would have largely lined up with Ten Commandments. From what I know, he essentially taught 'natural law' which ends up being pretty much the non-codified version of the Big 10. He also was a proponent of the Silver Rule (negative version of Golden Rule). The Ten Commandments were given to Moses a looong time ago, well before the time of Christ and so they themselves are 'pre-Christian' from an historical perspective.
The Scriptures say Lot was credited as being a righteous man. This too is a rather 'large' question, and I've probably said enough for one post. I do not see the Scriptures as saying he was without sin, and he certainly did things which from a certain vantage point raise eyebrows. But again, that's probably to much to go into here and I've rambled on for quite enough time now.
Do you really think your question is appropriate to ask without evidence even after users have asked you for example threads? Nobody is blaming the Jewish people for anything. That's not a thing here no matter how you frame the narrative.
I think the Jews are used by the trillionaires to distract us from the people that are the real problem. It worked with Hitler. Hitler did not understand his enemy. If Hitler had gone after the bankers, then he would be a hero.
What I love with that subreddit is that there are always 129 Dimensional Chest being played and always someone even more up in the conspiracy hierachy.
I think it's very unhelpful. Whatever may be going on, there is clearly no one group to blame. Certain clubs and gangs of many different groups are involved. It's foolish to alienate the majority of Jews that are regular people like everyone else. The evil elites are the evil elites. That's the problem, and they're drawn from many places.
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n/a EricCarver 2017-01-20
Examples of when Jews have been blamed in here please? I thought things are generally pretty kosher.
n/a FleshFleshForFantasy 2017-01-20
You could rephrase it like this: Examples of when Jews have not been blamed in here please ?
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-20
The Jews aren't being blamed for the black bloc anarchists smashing windows. Your turn, which threads blame Jews?
n/a FleshFleshForFantasy 2017-01-20
Well, George Soros is being blame for all the Anti-Trump Manifestation since he supposedly finances them and he's known to be a "bad jew" in this subreddit.
n/a another_fatcyst 2017-01-20
George Soros isn't "the jews," he's a jew, and blaming him for things isn't equal to blaming jews for those same things any more than blaming Trump for something would be the same as blaming whites or christians for something.
I do blame "the jews" for a lot, but ijs. I'm a pedant.
n/a MackOfAllShades 2017-01-20
those "anarchists" arent anarchist. they're paid rioters funded by soros. real anarchists have whats called a non aggression principal, and laugh at the left right paradigm and sheep buying into it all
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-20
The black bloc guys I met were not paid, and felt change could only happen through drastic shows of passion. When I asked why they were destructive, their reply was that it gets noticed.
Now, maybe their use of term anarchists is a misnomer, but just saying what they told me.
n/a MackOfAllShades 2017-01-20
anarchy doesnt mean chaos like government would lead you to believe. these so called anarchists are targeting the wrong places if you ask me
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-20
I told thrm the same, that they were targeting incorrectly, and they told me I didn't get it. I am for peaceful and emotional protesting. I don't mind being jailed but not into getting there for non peaceful means.
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
I think people say "Jews" instead of using a more accurate term, like Israeli or Zionist. I see some other comments here from people that feel the same way.
Most Jews are poor and just want to practice their religion and be left alone.
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-20
Yeah, the Khazars are a term I've heard related to what I think are the blamed ones.
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
I recently learned that term. I had never heard it before.
I am convinced the people we need to be fighting are trillionaires. Everyone else is just a distraction.
n/a DarthStem 2017-01-20
I think "Zionists" will fit your question better than just "Jews"
n/a Not_Russian_Hacker 2017-01-20
Yes, thank you. Zionism is a political movement, Judaism is a religion.
There are a shit ton of Zionist Christians (Lindsay Graham)
n/a snowmandan 2017-01-20
No one just hates Jews for no reason here. There is an obvious trend in history and present that Zionist Jews have a global influence unlike any other group of people.
n/a FleshFleshForFantasy 2017-01-20
So you think that this trend is still following today ?
n/a snowmandan 2017-01-20
Certainly. Look at the media for example. And the pharma industry. There are A LOT of rich, powerful, and influential Zionist Jews. A disproportionate amount. I'm not being racist and saying that their being Jewish is wrong, but historically, Zionist Jews are known manipulators and have an agenda that is detrimental to the normal population. George soros is a Hungarian Zionist jew if I'm not mistaken. Do some research.
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
Have you read the Talmud? My understanding is that most Jews have not.
We are all goyim, and the Talmud has rules for dealing with us. As you can imagine, it is not very nice. The Talmud also has rules for sex with underage children.
Am I anti-Semitic for pointing this out?
The Quran also has rules for dealing with non-Muslims, and it is not very nice.
Same with the Bible.
Maybe the problem is that these religions are not Secular. Maybe people should complain about non-Secular religions instead of complaining about Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
n/a snowmandan 2017-01-20
There ya go, case and point
n/a CJGodley1776 2017-01-20
The Bible doesn't have anything violent for dealing with non-Christians. It says to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
I thought there was something in there. I will have to refresh my memory.
You are right about loving others, though. Being Secular should negate persecution.
People need to find their own way.
n/a CJGodley1776 2017-01-20
It did have rules for persecuting non-Jews who were committing capital offenses, but that was in the Old Testament. And that was only for the Jews.
The New Testament changed all that and Jesus opened and showed the way to loving enemies in a somewhat new way, also making available the love of God to both Jews and Gentiles.
That may be what you are thinking of?
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
Probably. There were a lot of instances of stonings and such.
So the Old Testament does not apply anymore? I have been told that before, but people apply it anyways when it is convenient.
n/a CJGodley1776 2017-01-20
I think these are all valid and good questions. Some of which are hard to answer simply.
From what I understand though the stonings and such were commanded in the OT for capital offenses (like the death penalty today). Same goes for the massacres of entire cities.
When Christ arrives on the scene however, the OT laws aren't abrogated, but fulfilled.
Fulfilled in a most unusual way.
Instead of the individual transgressors paying the ultimate penalty for their having transgressed God's law, Jesus willingly took the death penalty on himself, receiving in his own self the penalty on our behalf, though he himself had done nothing to transgress the law.
From a Christian perspective, the Old Testament paved the way for the New.
The OT law though has historically been divided into three categories ~ civil law, ceremonial law, and moral law.
Civil law governed ancient Israel while it was a theocracy.
Ceremonial law dealt with how people should interact with and worship God, and pointed to Christ (typology is fulfilled in Christ). While these were initially applicable to ancient Israel, some of them also crossed over into the Church after the time of Christ.
The moral law (ie - Ten Commandments) pertain to the immutable character of God. All people in all times and places are obligation to follow them since they reflect God’s character and represent best design for human flourishing and salvation. No civil society really functions, wittingly or unwittingly, without them. To the extent that a society jettisons these, that society become barbaric. Far from being abolished, Jesus clarified and strengthened the basis of the moral law in the NT beatitudes, in addition to fulfilling it himself.
There are prohibitions against homosexuality in the New Testament.
Some Jews DO accept and have accepted Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied about in the OT. In fact most of the first early Christians were Jews. Today, many Jewish Christians like to call themselves 'completed Jews' insofar as they believe that they have finally reconciled the mysteries of OT prophecy and Scripture in the person of Christ in their lives.
Hope this helps? :)
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
Actually, that is a very concise, well thought out answer. I am not a Christian, though, but I can tell you have studied these issues extensively. Do you meditate?
I think these are all valid and good questions. Some of which are hard to answer simply. Yes, I agree. If they were easy to answer, there would be a lot less conflict.
From what I understand though the stonings and such were commanded in the OT for capital offenses (like the death penalty today). Same goes for the massacres of entire cities. Yes, I do recall reading that. I have always wondered why god does not take the life of the guilty. Why is it left to humans to do it instead? After all, god will not make a mistake in carrying this out.
When Christ arrives on the scene however, the OT laws aren't abrogated, but fulfilled. I have heard this before.
Instead of the individual transgressors paying the ultimate penalty for their having transgressed God's law, Jesus willingly took the death penalty on himself, receiving in his own self the penalty on our behalf, though he himself had done nothing to transgress the law. Yes...
From a Christian perspective, the Old Testament paved the way for the New. Yes, from a Christian perspective.
The OT law though has historically been divided into three categories ~ civil law, ceremonial law, and moral law. Civil law governed ancient Israel while it was a theocracy. Where does the Talmud come into play? Have you read it? If so, what are your thoughts?
The moral law (ie - Ten Commandments) pertain to the immutable character of God. All people in all times and places are obligation to follow them since they reflect God’s character and represent best design for human flourishing and salvation. No civil society really functions, wittingly or unwittingly, without them. To the extent that a society jettisons these, that society becomes barbaric. Far from being abolished, Jesus clarified and strengthened the basis of the moral law in the NT beatitudes, in addition to fulfilling it himself. But, the Ten Commandments are in the OT, which has been fulfilled. Have you read much about pre-Christian history, like Confucius? I would hardly call their society barbaric.
There are prohibitions against homosexuality in the New Testament. Yes, read about it after I posted. There are a lot of prohibitions in the New Testament that people ignore. Do you believe that Lot is a righteous man?
Some Jews DO accept and have accepted Jesus as the Messiah who was prophecied about in the OT. In fact most of the first early Christians were Jews. Today, many Jewish Christians like to call themselves 'completed Jews' insofar as they believe that they have finally reconciled the mysteries of OT prophecy and Scripture in the person of Christ and in their lives. Interesting. Do these Jews follow the Talmud?
n/a CJGodley1776 2017-01-20
Hi again! You are asking a lot of questions (all good ones!). But again, some of these are 'questions of the ages' and I'm not sure how adequately one can address them in reddit! :) That said, I will do my level best.
I do meditate -- but in the Christian fashion (fill the mind with Christ) rather than the eastern fashion (so-called emptying of the mind).
I think this also may be a thread of the larger question 'why did God make humans in the first place?' The answer, as far as I can tell, has to do with the role and extent to which God desires to have people co-operate and participate in redemptive work on earth. In a sense, it shows God giving a long leash (free will) and hope and trust that humankind will do the right thing, participating on earth as it is in heaven.
I think the question -- why is it left for humans to do -- also has to do with 'why does God allow evil in the first place'? The closest insight I can get on that (why doesn't God just wipe out evil automatically?) is found in Matthew 13:24: a farmer planting seeds in the earth. Next to the good plants grow horrible weeds (tares), so extensively planted next to the wheat that they threaten the crop. The farmer's staff asks him if he wants them to go get rid of the weeds. And the farmer replies: ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them.' So in some mysterious way (from a human perspective, I'm sure it makes perfect sense from the divine) to uproot evil immediately would threaten everyone. This may have to do with the fact that each one of us has one evil at some point, and so if God 'got rid of evil', we would all be wiped out. Instead, God is merciful, and wants each of us to repent and be saved.
You asked next about the Talmud. I have not read it in its entirety, only portions, and believe it to be one of the wickedest, if not the most wicked, books in existence. The Talmud is a written compilation of the oral rabbinical 'interpretations' of Torah (or OT in general)', however since these rabbis and their interpretations of scripture ultimate rejected the Christ, the interpretations subsequently become more perverse, pointing further and further away from truth. In other words, Judaism (in terms of the OT religion) is not the same as talmudism. They are not the same religion. And Talmudism is anathema from a Christian perspective.
Our Lord spoke to those who would reject him even at the time he was on earth: "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars..." Revelation 3:9.
To answer your question, Jews who follow Jesus emphatically do not follow the Talmud. See Brother Nathanel Kapner (online) for more on this topic. He is a former Orthodox Jew, now Orthodox Christian. His style is a bit brusque, but his message regarding the talmud is exactly as I am telling you here. Again, the talmud is anathema from a Christian perspective.
<the Ten Commandments are in the OT, which has been fulfilled
The Ten Commandments have been fulfilled in Christ, however they have not yet been perfectly fulfilled in us (this gets back to the content at the beginning of my post). God wants us to become imitators of Christ, Christlike, and to fulfill the commandments by the power of Christ in us in our lives. Because they reveal the character of God, the need for them is never abrogated.
With regard to the pre-Christian history. I have not read that much on Confucius, but he did promote virtue ethics (a good thing), which would have largely lined up with Ten Commandments. From what I know, he essentially taught 'natural law' which ends up being pretty much the non-codified version of the Big 10. He also was a proponent of the Silver Rule (negative version of Golden Rule). The Ten Commandments were given to Moses a looong time ago, well before the time of Christ and so they themselves are 'pre-Christian' from an historical perspective.
The Scriptures say Lot was credited as being a righteous man. This too is a rather 'large' question, and I've probably said enough for one post. I do not see the Scriptures as saying he was without sin, and he certainly did things which from a certain vantage point raise eyebrows. But again, that's probably to much to go into here and I've rambled on for quite enough time now.
Hope this was in some way useful? And blessings.
n/a MackOfAllShades 2017-01-20
they've been exiled out of countries many times for many centuries for a reason.
n/a R0yGeeB1v 2017-01-20
Do you really think your question is appropriate to ask without evidence even after users have asked you for example threads? Nobody is blaming the Jewish people for anything. That's not a thing here no matter how you frame the narrative.
n/a digdog303 2017-01-20
It is somewhat appropriate. A lot of people take it too far, but AIPAC is real and Israel is a disgusting police state.
n/a moelottosoprano 2017-01-20
Not not really there's just a lot of shills pushing terrible language lately..
n/a soul_shakedown_party 2017-01-20
ESL fo sho
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
I think the Jews are used by the trillionaires to distract us from the people that are the real problem. It worked with Hitler. Hitler did not understand his enemy. If Hitler had gone after the bankers, then he would be a hero.
n/a FleshFleshForFantasy 2017-01-20
What I love with that subreddit is that there are always 129 Dimensional Chest being played and always someone even more up in the conspiracy hierachy.
n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
LOL. Moi?
n/a BrotherRay 2017-01-20
I think it's very unhelpful. Whatever may be going on, there is clearly no one group to blame. Certain clubs and gangs of many different groups are involved. It's foolish to alienate the majority of Jews that are regular people like everyone else. The evil elites are the evil elites. That's the problem, and they're drawn from many places.
n/a grndzro4645 2017-01-20
It isn't about Jews. There are good Jews, and there are bad Jews.
It's about the bad Jews at the top that are ruining countries with their liberal agendas, open borders, and blanket acceptance of immorality.
All while Israel is kept 85% Jewish by law.
n/a MKULTRAserialkillers 2017-01-20
These Jews are pretty cool: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_Against_Zionism
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n/a pby1000 2017-01-20
Probably. There were a lot of instances of stonings and such.
So the Old Testament does not apply anymore? I have been told that before, but people apply it anyways when it is convenient.