You'd have to stretch the meaning of indoctrination. Math and science are obviously anti-indoctrination. The only subject I can think of that would fit is History because it's written by the victor and there are obviously conflicts that have multiple viewpoints and there's not enough time to go through all of them.

I'd imagine a lot of it depends on the teacher though.

The difference is that science requires strict peer review by other experts, aficionados etc. There are certainly scientists who are bought and pocketed by big oil spewing their nonsense on global warming being a hoax, for example. However rest assured the other 99 experts won't go quietly into the night while this misinformation is spread.

Do experts peer review for free? Or do they get part of the funding for the original study?

It depends on the science. I can only speak for my field (physics) in that everything is strictly reviewed by multiple teams. Math is objective.

The reason science was made was because people wanted to find truth -- not what they saw or people told them but the basic objective facts, and people made a system to try to find out facts that were as pure and away from the influence of anything and anyone else as they could possibly get them.

If a science teacher teaches science like gospel then he's an idiot. A lot of things people are pretty sure about but new discoveries are being made all the time that refine even long-existing theories.

But anyways yeah there are the things people are pretty sure about (because they've been tested over and over, both directly and indirectly by assuming these things are true in other experiments) and those things get taught. There are alternative beliefs to what is being taught but I'd bet there is some kind of mandate or requirement to teach things that were borne out by most experiments and most textbooks usually have things that passed the most experiments in them. If this is indeed what happens, I don't see anything wrong with any of this, although I'm not any kind of expert on education so I can't be completely sure it does.

Because it teaches information as if it's more valuable than other information. It is a narrow band of thinking. Across the board.

Aren't teachers typically glad if students go above and beyond the textbook?

The young teachers at my particular schools actually used to encourage this. Then that high school was shutdown my sophomore year and was forced to a school that was more the establishment norm.

They should. I remember a couple(4th & 5th grade, late 70s) who had a 'no reading ahead' rule. My first grade teacher was visibility pissed that I could already write my name, and made me use the fat 'beginner' pencils even though I had my own normal ones.

no reading ahead

Ohhh wow. The pencil stuff is stupid but this would be pretty unpleasant for me if the book is good. And this is the opposite of what you need to do to keep up outside of mandatory education. I'm sorry you had to deal with this =/

Thanks! I did have some really good teachers as well, along the way. The thing I think is worst, and I hope they don't still do it, was insisting on righthandedness. I was a lefty and in kindergarten, they started taking the crayon, scissors, pencil, whatever, out of my left hand and putting it in my right dozens of times every day until I started using my right hand consistently. So weird. I hope they don't do that to kids anymore.

Ambidextrousness should be encouraged though just in case it happens to stick with someone.

If there's a way for them to do that without instilling the idea that 'you're doing it wrong', I'm cool with that.

In my class textbook in junior high, I was taught that the hawaiians were happy to be taken over and made a state. Little did I know....you find stuff out 30 years later it ain't the case.

As with Puerto Rico.

I remember being taught that Puerto Rico was vying to be granted statehood. It's total bull.

Repetition. Authority. Just look at what passes for 'Science.' Piltdown Man was real once too, nah'mean?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3034395/Why-baboon-bone-Lucy-s-skeleton-Scientists-make-bizarre-discovery-3-2-million-year-old-fossil-early-human.html

I think scientists doing science is how the baboon bone mistake was discovered.

Education is indoctrination

It's intrinsic

What did you learn about WW2? Vietnam?

What about USSR and China?

I was taught that all communism is essentially the same, Stalinism is no different from Marxism and that the best example of communism being a failed system is the collapse of the USSR. All of this is of course devious at best.

Interesting, but I meant about their role in WW2.

Very brief coverage (even with advanced course). I mean we certainly covered how man Russians died if that's what you're referring to.

Which I know that is bs.

Silly goy, don't believe conspiracies. Watch our (((Hollywood))) movies about holocaust. We release one every other week.

In short, they have subjects that they want the students to focus on and others that they ignore. Often they will only share part of the truth to create a bias within the students. They use rewards and punishments to discourage true critical thinking. This is to the benefit of the people in society that will eventually take advantage of them.

to create a bias

I realize what sub I'm in but I do feel that the huge time and attention span pressures that teachers probably have to work with/around when delivering information should at least be noted somewhere when discussing how much information is given.

Sure, teachers are limited in how thorough they can present a topic, but I do not believe it excuses the omission of information of say history.

History, yeah, it's probably the weakest point of general education in terms of bias and missed information.

https://youtu.be/ezTIYd5UFRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZHNjc4Xk0

"I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America..."

By presenting that what they teach is fact and always obey authority.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=fgkhBpi6Dno

Ideological subversion. He does a good job of explaining how people get so brainwashed, they won't believe solid facts, even if they're right in their face. It takes a military boot up their ass to believe it. The indoctrinating makes them think they're so smart, they could never be duped.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of..."

It's not only the words and texts. It's herd mentality, waiting for permission, leaving home on the weekdays, addiction to sugary and fatty foods, slow infertility by exposure to WiFi, the authority of the institution vs your family, neighbors, church/community. Sports.

Indoctrination is performed on a comprehensive level. In public school the student is only required to memorize facts and regurgitate the answers out, forgetting the memorized information to prepare for the next memorized test. Public schools do not equip students with the skills necessary to engage in critical thought. Public schools have standardized the curriculum to ensure uniformity and to eliminate nuance. Teachers are bound to this curriculum which limits any really chance of actual teaching.

You have to ask yourself why kids in this nation complete over a decade of schooling and can't even balance a checkbook. Why don't schools offer classes where the student can take the skills learned and apply it directly to real life?

Teachers teach students lies, and then punish them if the students point out that they are lies. Students are forced to quietly accept the lies, and with enough repetition they cease to question them any longer. Repetition is the key. It works in advertising, and it works when brainwashing America's youth, particularly when it is completely supported and reinforced in the popular media.

Sure, teachers are limited in how thorough they can present a topic, but I do not believe it excuses the omission of information of say history.