Dude we are not a pro trump sub we are only down voting shills postings rubbish claims trying to discredit the guy. If someone posted decent evidence about him we'd discuss it.

Dude we are not a pro trump sub

Reality show the opposite, just search for "Trump" on this subreddit. It's literally a place for Trump propaganda and the mods allow it.

Exactly

The first step is to admit you have a problem.

If decent evidence is required for a discussion hete, why is pizzagate even a topic?

SO you're saying it's perfectly normal to proudly brag that you're BEST FRIENDS with multiple convicted child rapists and traffickers?

Because that's a stupid argument, and we already have physical evidence that Hillary and Podesta are best friends with half a dozen convicted child rapists and traffickers.

I'm not making any claim.

I am just pointing out that there is no evidence.

Fucking this. Meanwhile pointing out that it's NOT NORMAL to be self-professed best buddies with half a dozen convicted child rapists/traffickers (Hillary/Podesta) is met by r/politics downvote brigades.

I think you hit the nail on the head, OP. We should be very worried about what skeletons Trump has in his closet if he kept them hidden throughout the campaign trail.

Ehh...no one's above reproach. Blindly trusting politicians is never good, and I'm with you that his name could easily come up in pizzagate, but as far as something else lurking in his past that's hidden...I have a hard time swallowing that. There were 1000's of ppl, both journalists and citizens trying to find real dirt on the guy for nearly 2 years, and nothing of substance has come out. I don't see how he could have a system for removing scandal from the historical record that works so effectively.

His comments about Jeff were hear say. It is said he likes pretty girls he does not have first hand knowlege maybe they talked on the phone a few times. The he learned the truth about Jeff and changed his tune.

Bullshit. The quote was this:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy... He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

donald trump was acting as an fbi undercover with epstein on the plane

as far as the little girl pagents and their assosciation in the 80s that was also explored in depth [how else would i know i know nothing] so it really is a disservice to our comunity when re-edits decided to fold pizzagate in 8 hours ....

luckily other places have allowed much research to move forward

i suggest doing some research but let me tell you google is broken!

so is reddits

so is facebook

all their institutions broken open for this and they still cant squash it

have you been following pizzagate at voat?

there is so much goin on on an international level and yes every institution has been compromised but i am thinkin the good guys have said fuckin enough already

all truth is being revealed

aside from trump watch george webb braverman seriers you will catch up quickly

well that was most likely made evident here then before they wiped pizzagate away you can google it i just hate google

this is really weird becaaue no less than 45 weeks ago i was able to come up with a ton of links and nothing youre right hmmm

People aren't trying to pin the blame on anyone in particular. People on the net found breadcrumbs and now they're following the trail. If the trail leads to Trump you'll hear about it for sure, every stone is turned upside down in this case.

I certainly believe that blame should be pinned on Epstein, Clintons, and Podesta and others as it goes on.

Yes of course we can believe it, we'll need law enforcement to do its job too at some point too...

Who decides if the trail leads to him or not, though? I think it's important to keep an open mind and not just sit back and be like "Oh, if he's involved we'll hear about it"

I meant it in a way that if someone finds a lead and it leads to Trump, it is gonna be discussed, and if a link like that exists, you'd bet the MSM would be all over it.

you mean the quote from 2002? I've seen it being discussed, never gained any traction because it's nothing. He said he knew the guy for 15 years in 2002. His opinion might have changed meanwhile.

He called Epstein out publicly. They don't eat their own like that.

Epstein is a huge target of the investigation - if there's any truth to the Trump connection it will be revealed. Pizzagate is being investigated by many Trump supporters but also citizens with a wide range of political beliefs- this is a serious issue and if the evidence points to Trump being involved, investigators will absolutely talk about it.

As everyone here has said, the signals aren't pointing to Trump. The few issues that have cropped up with him have either been discredited or lack any significant evidence (circumstantial included). If anything credible comes up to implicate the guy I will happily light the fires to watch him burn with the rest.

As it stands right now there is pretty much a neon sign flashing away saying "Perverts" and it's pointing directly at a handful of individuals. It's logical to follow those leads until they branch off elsewhere.

The quote you mentioned from Trump about Epstein was before the Mar-a-Lago ban, and before Epsteins arrest. I'm sure Stephen Hawking had glowing reviews of Epstein also, considering Epstein reconfigured his submarine on his private island to fit Hawkings wheel chair. That probably doesn't mean Hawking was a pedophile though.

Fair point. I think if we apply Occam's razor though, its pretty likely a guy who needs to eat through a straw is a lot less likely to be raping his way to fame and fortune than a guy who's been caught multiple times and had his presidency impeached over it. That just my opinion though.

Beside the point, but I was curious: https://www.quora.com/How-did-Stephen-Hawking-have-children/answer/Derek-Harkness?share=1

Hey man, bravo, I'm glad to see some people still out there are noticing the biased nature of pizzagate as far as who "they" are trying to use as the scapegoats of the real conspiracy, the international child trafficking ring and systemic pedophilia used for blackmail and dark spiritual practices.

In my opinion their is probably lots of truth to pizzagate and clearly there are lots of sucpicious things surrounding it. The problem is that it is compartmentalized to this one places. Lots of people are working on connecting the dots but the narrative being pushed the hardest is an attempt to keep it contained to a few scapegoats.

Trump never was or has been an "outsider" which means it is quite likely that somewhere along the line he was either blackmailed or joined the team of the delites. The lack of questioning Trump on this I think comes from multiple things. One being that Trumps campaign ran primarily on filling Americans with that the system we have all seen corrupted with somehow now be allowed to change. His supporters are holding on to this. Can you blame them? So you have an element of confirmation bias coming out of genuine hope. The other part is that since presidents are selected and not elected, they needed a way to keep trumps name out of it. It is likely that shills have infiltrated different discussion boards tasked with damage control as to not implement the new leader in the same scandals while at the same to may possibly set him up to look like a hero.

The truth is the system has not changed with Trump, it's the same system that selected the last President with an extra genius script played out by the media by using people's frustration against them.

However, until Trump takes actions I am willing to reserve judgement. IF he starts truly exposing any corruption people will naturally look into him eventually as well. If he is willing to start locking up delite pedophiles it will be a start and will wake a lot of people up as to what can go on behind their backs and in front of their eyes at the same time. We can only hope more people awaken everyday, but time will tell as far as Trumps true agenda.

Sorry bro--confirmation bias runs rampant here!

BS. you havent done your research or youd know trump distanced himself from epstein once he knew what was going on.. also sessions/brietbart etc all knew what was up and they are part of trumps cabinet. you are spreading massive disinfo. not cool bro.

Sources? How are you so sure Trump is a legitimate good guy and the info telling you he distanced himself isn't disinfo? How do you know you haven't been tricked into that perception? Do you really think an "outsider" near the system that has strategically selected every President for many years? These are honest questions because of someone could produce some evidence for me that Trump is really some white knight to the rescue I would be very interested to read it. That hasn't happened yet...so until then I will treat him with the same skepticism I treat everyone who wants more power, authority and influence... Just remember you are trusting a billionaire reality TV real estate mogal to watch out for OUR best interests...seems highly unlikely to me.

i think the fact that the BUSHES (of all people lol)/obama/hillary/soros/media teamed up against trump is good proof hes an outsider, or na?

and i dont think hes a white knight at all bro..but he did start removing troops from syria.. thats great too... or na?

also you can google brietbart and sessions tweets for sources on that. good talk hope we can reach a middle ground here.

Middle ground is always the goal. But you say good talk like I'm done.

So about "everyone teaming up against him" I would say na...it's not proof exactly. That's what I mean by tricking you into that perception. Not saying this IS what's going on but it's certainly the most likely in my perception. I take it you don't trust MSM because lie so easily right? Why could they not lie about being against trump? The media is a way of selling certain public perception, is it so unrealistic that they came up with a script that plays on people's frustration with the system by bashing an "outsider" 24/7. Isn't it more likely they would have Ron pauled his ass if he wasn't part of a plan? The same people that own the media own Hollywood. Surely they could have written a script with only one simple twist...

As far as Brietbart, drudge and other alt media sites they have long since been compromised. Its called controlled opposition. They give slightly more info than the MSM to give the perception they are against them and simultaneously help control the overall narratives. You really think the biggest alt media sites would still be up by now if they were a legit threat?

Lastly, even if trump has been the plan all along like I believe he has, what matters is his actions, until I see him actually go after corruption in an unbiased manner I will stay skeptical.

yes i agree, his actions.. thats why i showed u 2 actions he did that are pretty good (Syria, tpp)... and what about his congressional term limits idea?.. he was also for universal healthcare a year or so ago...

as for MSM.. they are actually trying to get those sites removed i thought?.. didnt u read the bill a month ago or something that wants to ban all alternative sites accusing them of "russian propaghanda" or somethin?.. the entire MSM was against trump, like legitimately .. if it wasnt for the FBI, hillary would definitely be president

You do realize their are players of this game that stay out of public view...all these things you are reading about are just talk until something actually happens. For example the fact that he pulls troops out of Syria around the same time he is suppose to move the US embassy in Israel from tel Aviv to Jerusalem seems strange since that's gonna piss a whole bunch of Muslims off. Almost like they want the Muslims to attack Israel to give a pretext for a large scale invasion...you see my point? Its all talk until we see his actions and results of those actions. Unfortunately there is too much disinformation out their and too many people on the payroll of the NWO conspiracy that it's virtually impossible to discern the truth. Which is exactly the plan all along.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

William Casey (CIA Director)

i agree with you.. disinfo is everywhere especially with propaghanda being legalized a couple years ago... but isnt it weird how trump wasnt cia-born and bread like all the other presidents? i dont think its fair to judge him yet until he starts invading countries etc

Like I said, it's all talk...you've jumped to conclusions about trump by things he or other people have only said he wants to do. Audit the Fed? Cool yeah that would be interesting but if that is allowed to happen it's for a very specific reason. I also am not sure what you mean by CIA born and bred, of course presidents have to work closely with the CIA but I'm not sure why you are so convinced that Trump is not apart of that as well.

My point is that they played on people's frustrations about the country and sold everyone the perception that he's an outsider. Its not that hard to see. All this talk about what he says he's gonna do or wants to do is just smoke and mirrors to keep people hoping. Trump will do exactly what it is the real powers that be want him to do.

My suggestion...question EVERYTHING and do your own research. Don't just wait for a news source to say what you wanna hear.

Did you miss where they tried to Ron Paul them?

trump himself said epstein likes his ladies young.

This has been brought up a few times before, but everytime is not a post with any due diligence to offer, just a complaint that the research being done doesn't involve the person you don't like. I don't like trump, I think he's an idiot, so I welcome you to contribute something. No one is stopping you.

I want trying to stop you, just saying post something like other people do instead of complaining about what they post.

You know, it's such a shame that you're being downvoted en masse. This sub is supposed to be for free thinkers, and that means asking many kinds of questions to uncover more about something. I feel like the point you bring up is a very important one, and it has potential significance in learning more about Pizzagate. I hope Trump is not involved in this as much as the next person, but we need to be objective truth-seekers. I personally appreciate your critical thinking.

Well you havent replied to the current top comment that i can see asking for proof....

He asked for evidence such as the flight logs.

The flight logs have been released and a can't find Trump on it.

I think trumps a jack ass and all but he's not on that list. Maybe it's outside the time frame, dunno.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth, It's right there in paragraph 3: "It's known that he was flying with Jeffrey Epstein"

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This sub is supposed to be for free thinkers, and that means asking many kinds of questions to uncover more about something.

It is. We just have lots of people trying to subvert that.

who's downvoting

lol right. we are being ctr'd the whole sub. its gone.

I diddn't downvote but neither is it a mystery why there's no pedo ring connection to Trump: we don't have any damning emails, and he's not self-professed best friends with half a dozen convicted child rapists and traffickers.

The same can't be said for Hillary or Podesta, who frequently brag about being buddies with Dennis Hastert, Laura Silsby and Jeremy Epstein.

Yeah, I really hope you're right, and I'm pretty sure Trump didn't participate in these disgusting activities (unlike the others). But you have to admit, he at least knew this kind of ring was going on back then. He even made a tweet in 2012 talking about "sick perverts grabbing our missing children."

This sub has definitely gone through a partisan take-over, and that hasnt been helped by Mods allowing every post to stay up. However, I've just gotten to the point where I skip any thread with a clearly partisan title.

We're not here for political bickering, we're here for conspiracies, which know have no party loyalty. I wish people would realize that more often than not BOTH parties are in the wrong. Things just arent that black and white.

Anyway, to your point, I think the main reason Trump has not been deeply investigated is because Pizzagate largely caught fire amongst conservatives. It was a story that delegitimized Hillary, and that's all that Trump supporters wanted pre-election.

However, we also still know veryyyy little about the extent of this operation. The politicians that have been accused so far are mostly all tied to the story by emails, close relationships, or spending, and at this point there is no evidence that I know of that involves Trump.

Trump did know Jeffrey Epstein, and he's kind of a freaky dude, so I would not be surprised if he was involved. That said, only time will tell, and if anyone has Trump leads on the Pizzagate front, I would encourage them to follow them.

Any time mate, try not to lose your head in these crazy times. We can maintain this community if we try hard enough

I'm hopeful that it will wane with time. If the authorities actually make arrests in pizzagate or if CNN would stop trying to openly discredit him, I think a lot of the trumpeters would stay on t_d instead of coming here to yell conspiracy.

Mods take down posts and everything throws a huge fit.

I know, it's definitely not an easy job for them, and I have much respect for them for dedicating time to keep this sub up and running. But since the election, the quality of posts has absolutely declined, and we even had one moderator resign in protest of the failing state of this sub.

Lately the liberals have been the bad guys, mainly due to their pro mass migration from muslim countries, and their lying press.

When Bush-Cheney ruled, they were the bad guys, mainly due to their flase flag attack, pnac and oil-wars among others.

Hope Trump will stop the spreading of islam and sharia, fight the big companies and lobbyists, audit the FED, investigate 9/11 and much more. Not fond of his view on climate though.

How do you feel about Trump turning his cabinet into the biggest swamp of elites that has ever been assembled? Do you think his Goldman Sachs and Exxon cabinet will clamp down on Wall Street and big oil?

I'm worried but remain hopeful to see what they will do. If they let us down, then Trump and his crew is no better than the others before him.

Hope they will take a stand against the saudis as well.

There are people who work in such industries that truly believe in free market ideology. They based themselves around it entirely. If these people are those kinds and use their positions more to force companies to compete on level playing fields instead of on that is unlevel due to government regulations / subsidies. Then I am OK with that.

If they can do that and use their massive amount of experience cutting budgets to be more efficient while adjusting tax rates to reflect that then it will all work out great.

Now if they aren't these types of people and they are just looking to push more regulation and subsidies and special tax break favors then yeah fuck'em

If they can do that and use their massive amount of experience cutting budgets to be more efficient while adjusting tax rates to reflect that then it will all work out great.

Every piece of corporate history which I'm familiar with shows that executives have a pattern of exploiting workers and resources as much as possible in order to benefit their own titles, salaries and bonuses as much as possible. I don't want this to be how our country is led, yet we are already seeing it in Trump's first week.

Give us source and we will discuss it. This sub has been brigaded many times with users asking for us to investigate Trump. Thats not how this shit goes. Gives us proof and we can talk about it.

It's because a bunch of the mods are pro-Trump and alt-right so they censor any stuff about Trump. During the campaign they suppressed the Jane Doe case about him raping a 13 year old, they suppressed the rape allegations and Epstein ties, and most recently they have tried to squash any discussion of the Russian ties Trump has, including removing the dossier because of "brigading."

The sub is completely a disinformation campaign for Trump now. Anything that comes up from a critic of his is met with at least downvotes but often deletions, comically biased tags, etc. All during which these mods let an obviously fake "scandal" that revolves around doxxing innocent people who just so happened to have sold pizza to John Podesta.

There is actual evidence Donald Trump is a sexual predator and he is president but all these conspiracies better stay focused on the innocent people with literally no power that own a pizza place, or ran a losing presidential campaign.

How can you downplay pizza gate as if it's nothing? Some kid on the internet claiming Alefantis raped him is as good a claim as some girl saying Donald raped her. They are both unverified. Both have some pedo things associated with them, Alefantis has his Instagram and heavy breathing, Trump has his comment about Epstein, his photo with his daughter, and his comment about his daughter.

I'll ask here since it came up, I have asked a few times with no response, could someone please show me the source where it is shown that Trump rode on the lolita express? It should be in a flight logs right?

And you bring up completely valid questions here OP. I would not want to have to deal with Trump professionally, although I voted for him, everything he says is obfuscated in platitudes and fluff. I don't think anyone knows what he is ever really thinking, and that is likely by design.

Trump was friends with Epstein but he also banned him from his clubs once he found out what Epstein was up to.

I've asked this question at least 5 times. I have never gotten so much as a response that addresses it. I'm starting to think it's pure speculation, or just plain made up.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/the-friendship-between-trump-and-a-billionaire-pedophile-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/

he had atleast somewhat of a connection to him.

And he disavowed him as soon as it was public. I personally believe Trump was well aware though, I think everyone at that level of socirty knows about the pedophiles.

Or more like Netanyahu and Mossad could they wanted to. The same probably goes for any other politicians in Britain or Europe that have a weakness for perverse and illicit sexual activities.

Considering how light his sentence was it's more likely than not that Epstein is one of theirs with a clear and obvious motive of compromising and controlling any important politicians or powerful people in and around the US government for Israel and the Zionists that run it larger ambitions in the Middle-East.

He isnttin the flight logs.

Additionally, the court case that was filed revealed that the victim was able to describe Epstein's egg shaped penis, but had no such intimate details of Trump.

I think Trump plays by the rules. The rules are crooked af though. I don't think he had any illusions about how hard he would be attacked and how thoroughly his life would be gone through.

So while I'm sure he knew about it, I don't think he participated. And that doesn't mean I think he is some moralistic puritain lol. He just doesn't break obvious laws, and doesn't engage in vice. He's a weird dude.

It shows that in the moment he isn't repulsed by the things going on around him. He still has the cold ability to make judgements on where the lines are that have been drawn by laws and public opinion. That ability to almost look at a situation from an outsider while being inside of it is powerful. I truly believe Trump is some form of a genius just not the kind people understand.

To my knowledge no one will show you this because it doesn't exist. Because he didn't it was floated to cover the Clinton's.

As long as people keep saying it I'll keep asking. It's silly. There are plenty of real things to be upset about.

I'm not sure why this is some big question by the OP, considering we don't have a bunch of emails from Trump discussing how they want to bus in kids to play in the hottub as "entertainment", like we do for Podesta.

Plus there are multiple connections to both chidl rapists and child traffickers in those emails, connecting Podesta AND Hillary to people like Laura Silsby (convicted child trafficker) and they are self-professed "close friends" with multiple child rapists, such as Jeremy Epstein and Dennis Hastert.

Man, it's just such a mystery why people think Podesta and Hillary could be involved in child trafficking, since it's totally normal to be best buddies with a half dozen convicted child rapists and traffickers /s

Pizzagate has been derailed by people who either are part of the conspiracy to conceal the fact of elite pedophile rings, or are in complete denial of reality and common sense.

If a bunch of someone's friends fuck kids, what does that say about them? I mean if it was just 1, I could totally see disregarding that. But when they are intimately involved with several people who have are in the public record as proven pedophiles, I don't understand why people have a problem with this math.

I actually don't think any legitimate person has a problem with this math.

Trump probably has had sex with underaged girls - many men have done, particularly wealthy men in past decades.

But pizzagate is much darker than 'statutory rape' , even darker than (on the face of it) Epsteins island hareem of underage sex slaves.

The Sons of Dagon!

Trump on the other hand has also been accused of having sex with underage girls. Which (thankfully) turned out to be false.

I thought the case was dropped because of harassment of the plaintiff? That doesn't mean it turned out false, just not true enough to withstand harassment.

Edit: I'm really not sure why I even bothered. This post is being downvoted and all my comments are being downvoted. I've tried to be rational and fair about this and I'm getting shit on for questioning and being freethinking- which is (or was) the entire point of this sub. People talk about "CTR brigading and downvoting everything" but sometimes you guys are just as bad with anything you view as a being a "negative" critique of Trump. I think I'm done here.

Sorry to see this. I really do think r_conspiracy is close to being heavily influenced by pro-Trump propaganda and subtle psy-ops. One of the core tenets of the entire subreddit is that power by its very nature tends to corrupt, obfuscate, and persecute. When a billionaire New Yorker with ancestral wealth, international businesses, and literally millions of dollars of donations to both conservative and republican power brokers of the last twenty years and his cronies form the government suddenly, any skepticism or critique is off the table? That doesn't feel right.

I thought I read somewhere that trump severed ties with eps tien at some point.

Why does Pizzagate not include an investigation of or at least an in-depth look at Donald Trump?

Because Trump is not in the Podesta emails and has no connection to Comet Ping Pong.

This.

It's like the OP is trying to connect Pizzagate with every other case of pedophilia. If not every case, then at least every case involving a politician or a powerful person. I'm sure that there are thousands of such cases, but they have nothing to do with Pizzagate.

I just haven't seen him connected to it. If he raped kids, he deserves to be punished like the rest of them.

Trump and clintons are friends are they not? Its the supporters waging war, particularly the actual crazy right.

I think these conmen got a plan z, incase plan A through X fail, trump was the anti-hero pick meant to absorb the vacuum left with bernie supporter dissatisfaction.

Need an investigation, but can you expect trump to do that, fellow orgy buddy? There is one true thing about 2016 - the aboutface the media put in relation to airing bernie - trump coverage was nonstop

Y'all see that too right? A shamboozling that is well documented but nothingi s happening - just like PG

Put it this way. I have my own opinions on Mr Trump & I intend to keep them to myself.

Perhaps you should have as well.

20/20 hindsight and all that jazz...

I'll throw this out there- Roy Cohn was Trump's lawyer and "mentor". He used his pleasure boat to shuttle sick children to and from children's hospitals, where he spent a lot of time. Cohn also famously relied on sexual blackmail to coerce testimony, and has been accused of being involved in the management of a "pedo book" to compromise politicians and elites...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/former-mccarthy-aide-showed-trump-how-to-exploit-power-and-draw-attention/2016/06/16/e9f44f20-2bf3-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.htm

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5cyamj/roy_cohn_trumps_mentor_told_nypd_det_james/

Roy Cohn was also the lawyer to the Italian Mafia operating in NYC (among other organized crime syndicates). I think this is an interesting potential tie in to the theory. Anyone ever seen Donnie Brasco? Who is familiar with "The Pizza Connection"?

The trial centered on a Mafia-run enterprise that distributed vast quantities of heroin and cocaine in the United States, and then laundered the cash before sending it back to the suppliers in Sicily. The U.S. defendants utilized a number of independently owned pizza parlors as fronts for narcotics sales and collections – hence the name “Pizza Connection”. Evidence at the trial proved that the enterprise shipped no less than $1.6 billion of heroin to the U.S. between 1975 and April 1984. Arrests of scores of conspirators were coordinated in the U.S., Italy, Switzerland and Spain on April 9, 1984, following the capture of Gaetano Badalamenti and several family members the previous day in Madrid, Spain. Badalamenti was the former boss of the Sicilian Mafia, and a key supplier of heroin and cocaine to the U.S. Mafia distributors.

Thirty-eight mafia members and associates were originally indicted in the case, and 35 were named in the charges presented to the jury. Of those 35, 4 were convicted in Italy, 4 in Switzerland and 4 were fugitives. Approximately 27 of the defendants were residing in the U.S. at the time of the arrests. Out of those, only 22 defendants ‒ believed to be just a fraction of the number of Mafiosi involved in the scheme ‒ eventually stood trial. Prior to the start of the trial, one defendant was murdered, one died of natural causes and another was murdered during the trial. l

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial

TIL

well there's very little information about my allegation about the boat. it's true, but you won't find any "proof" of it.

all i know about roy cohn i saw in the movie angels in american.

I told kushner about the boat thing, but he was more into the lavendar scare aspect

roy cohn is a big subject. a movie can only move so much freight. it's hard to admit what you don't know. i'm just barely keeping up here.

At what point did you have the opportunity to talk to Tony Kushner?

Did a workshop with him in college

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/former-mccarthy-aide-showed-trump-how-to-exploit-power-and-draw-attention/2016/06/16/e9f44f20-2bf3-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html
loads for me.

Here's another one: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html

thanks- https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/former-mccarthy-aide-showed-trump-how-to-exploit-power-and-draw-attention/2016/06/16/e9f44f20-2bf3-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html

Cohn was also tight with Roger Stone- who infiltrated the Alex Jones Show and is largely responsible for the crossover audience of the "alt-right" Trump supporters with "Conspiracy Theorists"- as you've pointed to on this thread.

Julian assange said they had stuff on Trump, but that all of it was so mild and normal that it wasn't even worth releasing.

source?

Well lets discuss the conspiracy. Trump didn't only associate himself with Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, Trump has been on flights and hung out with many different celebrities, millionaires and billionaires over the years and the chances that one of them turned out to be a pedophile increases each time. The only claims that have been made about Trump abusing children at an Epstein party were proven false, when the Guardian reported about the false allegations they were threatened by a man who turned out to be a producer on Jerry Springer. Other celebrities have been on flights with Epstein including comedian Chris Tucker and actor Kevin Spacey, it does appear Epstein did charity work with celebs, probably not out of the kindness of his heart, but he did offer lifts to celebrities and those people couldn't have known he was a pedo unless you are prepared to say they are also pedophiles along with Trump, which I think is absurd and without evidence to begin with.

Melania is 24 years younger than Trump, but he's never struck me as the pedo type. He's wasn't sponsoring miss teen usa beauty pageants.

/s?

i guess...ahh i knew something was up, if TPTB really wanted him out they would have had him off'd by now or exposed. They're all complicit in it, its the price to pay for absolute power. Fucked up world we live in.

Most of us got the pedo vibe from him long ago.

evidence A

evidence B

Lets not forget, Epstein lived one floor below Trump in Trump Tower, where they hung out together, and Trump's connection to child traffickers like Tevfik Arif, from Bayrock and the Trump Org.

I may have been off on Epstein's apartment being in Trump Tower, I can't find my original references on that. But, Trump was a frequent guest as his NY home, in any event: https://www.sott.net/article/330739-Jeffrey-Epstein-the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-Donald-Trump-and-Hillary-Clinton

Epstein and John Casablancas, modeling agent for Ivanka at one time, after his conviction: jezebel.com/5603638/meet-the-modeling-agent-who-trafficked-underage-girls-for-sex Epstein a possible investor in MC2 Models with Trump: http://pagesix.com/2007/10/06/model-shop-denies-epstein-tie/?_ga=1.268121166.1737276341.1386222994

Trump Models trafficking in underaged models to work illegally:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration

Trump and Casablancas being pals: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578544/-The-Untold-Story-of-Trump-Model-Management-A-Daily-Kos-Exclusive-Part-1

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/25/1586568/-Daily-Beast-Inside-Donald-Trump-s-One-Stop-Parties-Attendees-Recall-Cocaine-and-Very-Young-Models

Tevfik Afir, trafficker, Bayrock exec, possible mobster, and Trump Org VP:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316831/NY-real-estate-mogul-Tevfik-Arif-arrested-suspicion-running-prostitute-ring.html

Though I’m out of time to hunt down links, there’s plenty more on google. Trump International Escorts (now Mystique Escorts, or something, as of last spring/summer) seems highly suspsious as well. It’s located in NY, has been for years, and despite how protective Trump is of the name, it used the name, and Trump logos, for years. It’s also apparently owned by Multigroup, which is essentially an EEuropean organized crime group that it’s trying to look more legit. Trafficking is/was one if it’s top activities.

And Trump also had those illegal Polish workers, via a contractor, connecting him to another human trafficker of some sort.

I just want to see him in the Epstein flight logs. He doesn't appear to be in them unlike others, like Bill Clinton.

He wasn't on those flights.

Trump on the other hand has also been accused of having sex with underage girls. Which (thankfully) turned out to be false

It was not proven to be false. The woman has dropped her charges twice and we don't know why. She was verified by the courts, there was a court date. There is more proof of Drumpf raping her at 13 years old than in Pizzagate by far.

not proven to be false

Prove it

she was verified by the courts

She exists

there was a court date

your point is?

there is more proof of TRUMP raping her at 13

this is the only proof I could find

I wonder the very same.

I'm brand new as a poster, but a long time lurker. Anyone who becomes "king of the mountain," is, in my opinion, already bought, and prob already sold. I don't think they really matter as much as people think. But, I'm a noon, so wattu I know

Edit: noob

to a pro-Trump/anti-Liberal sub This is why you are being down voted. This isn't true, go look at all the pro Trump articles where the OP is told to fuck off back to TD (rightfully so). It is often used as an insult to smear good people just looking for answers. Even your edit is a silly jab at the whole sub.

There is nothing stopping you from researching Trump. Problem is where do you begin, people are using information and trails that exist. Yes there are ties to Epstein, same with many rich people who do not get bought up. I assume because there is nothing to go off. If you found any evidence to tie Trump into all this I guarantee many people here will listen.

Personally I'd rather not research any of it because it's a grim ass rabbit hole.

I mean I don't doubt that. It's hardly unthinkable that Don has his own team out there pushing an agenda. All that pro Israel stuff a month or so ago was a big red flag.

I think Trump no doubt has skeletons in his closet, just seems there is good evidence on other people which I think makes sense to be most peoples priority. Spit balling is one thing but the real researchers seem best off following the evidence they have.

From my limited knowledge of the investigation, I can pretty confidently say that no stone is being left unturned with regards to Epstein, and if there's any truth to the connection between him and Trump, it will be investigated thoroughly. As far as I'm aware, that's really the only thing that could type him to the investigation.

Trump kicked Epstein out of his golf club once he found out about his shit.

I think the theory going around is that Trump was friends with Epstein due to both being rich as fuck, once he was in with him Trump became aware of their operation and started planning to stop it. If Trump was implicated in this, then Trump surrogates wouldnt have been mentioning pizzagate before the election

I'm going to be honest with you. I think trump IS involved. He has the head of dyncorp as his head top advisor. Steven feinberg.

If your not aware, Dyncorp has DEEP ties to child trafficking

I think Trump saying that Epstein like them on the younger side was him kind of being like yo this man is a pedo. He also threw Epstein out of his party for hitting on an underage girl.

Investigation is not the same thing as fair discourse. The evidence leads to the conclusions. You dont just spend equal time speculating about unconnected individuals cause it would be "fair". Clinton/Podesta leaks is the highest profile information leaking I have ever seen. When someone leaks Trumps emails Im sure there will be a community on here tearing them apart like t_d did with podesta. When that happens you will see the post balance shift.

GTFO with this baseless non-subtle attempt to drag President Trump into PizzaGate when there's been no evidence presented to do so.

If you were really concerned, you would be digging into the players and places that have been identified as worthy of being investigated instead of posting up a Trojan Horse of Concern when it's filled with baseless anti-trump motive.

It's a shame you say you're not here to push a narrative, but that's exactly what you're doing.

It's always "I'm not here to bash (but lol you guys this place has become pro-trump), and we know Clinton trafficked guns and drugs (but I'm not sold on Pizzzagate) and while there is evidence on pedophiles (can anyone actually link to a vetted 100% proven and clear explanation about pizza code) but we should assume Trump is in on it even though Pizzaagate is probably bullshit (did I mention this sub is now T_D?)"

Eyes are open. That's why I see you. ;)

If Trump is in on it then there is no reason for the media and celebs to continue to bash him. If tptb control both sides so completely, then there is no reason to play charades with themselves releasing leaks on themselves redpilling massive numbers of people to the fact that the media is colluding and basically a hoax. Why destroy your means of control to put someone in power? If you own the system, just install whoever you want to. No questions would have been raised had Hillary won. The msm would happily go on.

What I'm more skeptical of is posts like this one. But maybe you are seriously asking though, and if so, I can only say that the media that has lied to us poorly and transparently for many years despises Trump with a passion that is more genuine than any of the false flags they have ever perpetrated on us. That tells me something.

Just because he's not in on it doesn't mean he isn't a pedo.

It's a pretty safe bet that if a bunch of corrupt satanic pedophiles despise him, it's not just because he doesn't pick up the check when they go out for pizza.

If you're saying he's a pedophile independent of the giant ring of pedophiles that is implicated, then I think we'd need to find some real evidence to support that. But IF he is, then as long as he takes the rest down, he can hang last. But I'm just not seeing it.

Your father could be a pedo, your mom could be prostitute

Just because you're here posting idiot logic doesn't mean your parents didn't try to abort you

Rule 10, first warning.

I'm Pretty sure that guy is just too high to see that you actually made a good post. He didn't differentiate it from the red-scare posters, who's agenda is pretty much unacceptable to a lot of us, honest poster or not. I think you bring up good points. He may be a pedo. Epstein might collect blackmail material for NWO. Donald may be blackmailed, but since he isn't toeing the official narrative line, I think he has some kind of counter-blackmail or something preventing them from dealing with him. Or maybe that's just a highdea lol. Anyway, I think Trump should be good, pedo or not.

He has been looked into, he has been linked to it.

All we have is suspicion with most of these people. Only a very few have ever been prosecuted. Trump is just too close to Epstein, and has made too many trips to his private island on the "Lolita Express".

Yo. Don't take it personally. You know that this is a quality thread. it is a quality thread. Chill. You did good. CTR is easily tied to the DNC. Most people simply stop there, assuming they are the only group out there doing it. I'm sure there's tens of thousands of trump bots out there, on twitter, etc. I haven't seen evidence but it's one of those things I do just assume. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, your post isn't getting downvoted because it's anti-trump. It's getting downvoted because it's about-pizzagate. Plain and simple, brother. Check other pizzagate threads. LOTS of discussion, few upvotes. Disproportionate to any other topic, even sandy hook. (although sandy hook similar situation)

Yes, Trump has made comments that would make you think he's right there with Epstein flying to the island and conducting ceremonies in the underground lair. His quote (re: Epstein) came out several months ago, and you bet your sweet ass people were digging into it. There simply hasn't been much found since then, afaik. That quote right there is the most damning evidence on him. Is it because nobody is looking? I think you're a bit confused about WHO is doing the gruntwork behind the investigation... It's people who are concerned for the potential children involved. Majority not driven by political parties. Because once (if) you begin to accept it as a possibility you'll see it transcends the bullshit left v. right.

Pizzagate is slow and greuling. Another reason Trump hasn't been tagged in PG is because PG goes where the evidence leads the investigation. evidence hasn't lead it to him yet. Well - it does - through the Epstein connection, but then it drops off. Trump bans epstein from one of his Flordia clubs (mar-a-lago I think?) and the relationship seems to end. It's not like people are researching democrats scrutinizing every time they ordered dominoes on the company card. The evidence is what steers PG. If it leads to Trump it leads to Trump.

And in essence that's the beauty of it right there. You're not going to see a headline on reddit providing you evidence that Trump is just as sick as the rest of them.. You're going to research it, and you're going to write it yourself. Let your genuine curiosity and sense of right and wrong take over, and start looking around. You'll be surprised at what you find.

You already know the answer. It is a conspiracy fabricated entirely to discredit Clinton during the election. Some people didn't get the memo that the election is over and actually bought into it. What's the point in linking it to the one person it was designed to help?

Do I believe that? Absolutely. All of the evidence has been tenuous at best.

How about you bring up one or two of the pieces of evidence which you feel support the story the most strongly and we can discuss those.

We know that Epstein was doing despicable things with underage children and I'm sure that Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were both provided ample opportunities to join in. My strong suspicion is that both of them probably did, too. However, I don't think that this has any relationship with Podesta or Comet Ping Pong Pizza.

Came from one of the most totalitarian state, my five cents is, do go mysophobia in regards to politics. Accept the fact that all politicians are dirty, all representatives have their greedy agendas, and no messiah of perfection will come and save us. Accept these facts, judge our position and give the lesser evil a pass.

We the cattles are playing a 3D chess with the cabals. Anyone wins we lose. What we need to do is to support the cabal that is at a disadventage (like the one who's besieged by ALL MSM) and has some agenda that aligns with our wellness (anti migrants, anti TPP, audit Fed).

If everyone is mysophobia and vote neither candidates in this election, that will give the cheating HRC a free pass to WH, leading to the worst case senario.

TDLR, be pragmatic, be result-driven, support the lesser evil.

Do you see now? This sub is completely overrun by pro-Trump shills. Trump has plenty in his life, both past and current, to warrant an in-depth look. You would think a conspiracy theorist would be interested in something like that.

The bigger conspiracy here is that these guys have been pumped so full of Russian propaganda that they don't see ironic position they find themselves.

TIL if you don't blindly suck down the Red Scare 2.0 narrative the MSM is pushing, you aren't a REAL conspiracy theorist.

Because apparently the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist is blind faith in whatever narrative the MSM is peddling today. /s

No the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist is a paranoid thought process that betrays a lack of understanding that most people aren't like that.

I have a conspiracy theorist mindset - you have the mindset of a partisan whose sarcasm is weak. Sad!

There's no evidence linking him to it, that I'm aware of. There is currently no hard evidence linking anyone to a specific crime.

However, that doesn't prove that nothing happened. How is the average civilian going to obtain such evidence? You won't find incriminating photos of high level politicians underneath the fridge. This doesn't mean that they haven't engaged in anything questionable, pizzagate or otherwise.

It's also rarely ever mentioned that dealing in such incriminating evidence would be a life/death situation for the people involved. If the accusations are to be believed, the people implicated would have no problem killing off someone to avoid exposure.

Lastly, if this is really occurring, Republicans are almost certainly in on it as well. If not, they'd have taken advantage and exposed it -but they're not going to do that if their own people are implicated. We already know of one who got busted, Dennis Hastert. he is mentioned by name in Podesta e-mails along with the bizarre phrase "This traffic is really warm and really weird in light of Hastert. Boy that's sad."

It shouldn't be a partisan issue, but it inevitably becomes one because a lot of people are incapable of thinking outside the Red/Blue box.

Ya the whole trump vs Hillary thing has really clouded our ability to discuss this shit rationally. The closer we get to the truth the more obfuscated things become. This seems to be manufactured and I would advice you not to let the CTR/ Trump equivalent to misdirect your efforts. I've stopped arguing points I know to be true, like when someone comes in saying Hillary has never broken the law and isn't corrupt. Why bother to give them the piles of evidence to the contrary? Never had this resulted in a "o wow I never realized how wrong I was. Thanks for bringing this to my attention." It is met with brazen denial and deflection. They are here to give the appearance of opposition, that they have no leg to stand on doesn't matter. People casually viewing, and forming an opinion, see people rallying against it. Even if they are demonstrably wrong, it looks like the jury is out.

Just so you know Trump praises everyone irrespective of the background of the person,I saw the Indian Trump meet,in which he said we all love Hindu people,we all love India,he is a businessman,he doesn't maintain no fuss with anyone,I am from India and no our demography is quite different from what he suggested,the same thing with Epstien,just for the sake of moment he praised him.

The guy wholeheartedly congratulated Obama during inauguration,it was in his expression,no wonder the TPTB ridiculed him and even Obama who has nothing to do with next term has ridiculed him.

So,that Epstien Quote that he is a terrific guy is just a way of mediocre say for Donald,that's his Make America Great Again rhetoric,that's why I don't take this guys word as ultimate confirmation of his quality,this guy is a kid,he has good intentions and he is smart.

Anyway its my personal feeling that he is kind of good in his heart and has a better intention for this world,apart from that every fact has to be questioned.

trump is a genius whether people like it or not. what he says is calculated, and is said to achieve a specific goal in mind. you are correct in saying all that. anyone who disagrees has obviously not read the art of the deal.

OP I don't think you understand what's going on here.... The Anti-Trumpers are high jacking the Pizzagate story and trying to pin it on Trump. They come up with all this speculation, and lead people to believe things he is only "alleged" to have done. And when people criticize that, they are labeled as part of the problem, or not free thinkers, ignorant, under pro trump, etc.

I have witnessed this first hand, especially in asking questions about specific evidence or logs. ITS ALL SPECULATION AND THEY ARE FLIPPING PIZZAGATE ON HIM.

I think OP "understands" exactly what is going on here.

Great post man

Great post, I feel similar to you and I am also mainly a lurker of this sub. I really don't want to believe trump is part of it, but honestly I feel he probably has played a part and was probably better at covering his tracks. I just don't see anybody in that position of power having no skeletons in their closet.

First, have an upvote for being willing to question your preferred candidate. Second, I saw a video during the election that noted Trump flew only one time with Epstein, and they subsequently had a falling out. Sorry, I don't have a link.

My takeaway is that it's reasonable to question Trump's involvement, but at this point (after skimming the other comments here), I see no reason at all actually to suspect Trump.

clapping

This sub is supposed to be for free thinkers, and that means asking many kinds of questions to uncover more about something.

It is. We just have lots of people trying to subvert that.

/s?

Most of us got the pedo vibe from him long ago.

evidence A

evidence B

who's downvoting

I know, it's definitely not an easy job for them, and I have much respect for them for dedicating time to keep this sub up and running. But since the election, the quality of posts has absolutely declined, and we even had one moderator resign in protest of the failing state of this sub.

I diddn't downvote but neither is it a mystery why there's no pedo ring connection to Trump: we don't have any damning emails, and he's not self-professed best friends with half a dozen convicted child rapists and traffickers.

The same can't be said for Hillary or Podesta, who frequently brag about being buddies with Dennis Hastert, Laura Silsby and Jeremy Epstein.