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So you consider it fact that Russia hacked for trump?

You really think Trump is going to get oil money from Russia? People think this a possibility?

Well, Trump is not a sharp tool, so maybe he will report it on his taxes. If we ever see them, we would notice.

If he has halfway competent advisers (or a small percentage of brain function) there will be a hidden trail that leads to the money he bargained for. If he's lucky no one will ever find out.

There is no doubt, now, that Trump is not just a useful idiot for Russia, he is a willing and complicit member of this ongoing attempt to destroy democracy in America.

Lol, this is a great example for you. Brainwashed people siting what others say. Have you noticed the arguments used? What does it remind you? Aren't those arguments familiar? Its everything the media has been pushing the last year, isn't it?

Here's the thing, you first need to recognize what people are worth a second read and consideration. This post you can tell straight away is manipulated thoughts, miss information, ego and personal beliefs and mixed unclear thoughts trying to project personal beliefs. If someone is not able to provide intelligent arguments and evidence of how his thoughts came to be and justification then its a quick read and move on, waste of time. An intelligent and knowledgeable person would no attach his beliefs and knowledge in defending unproven arguments. Also, you must never be 100% set on something, we all make mistakes and we're all learning until we die. Always be willing to question others and yourself. This is a lost cause, move on buddy

Your post is simply an ad hominem with 0 sources.... the OP cited numerous sources in the OP, you think he has 0 ties to Russia?

I cant write my sources, well i can but the process and time it took to get to the understanding i have now i will literally have to write a book. What i said is abstraction of years of research and filtering of miss information.

While if Trump has connections to Russia or not i can not say with confidence because I wasn't really interested in Trump before, and i am also not willing to take a stand on something i am not 100% sure.

I believe he did work with Russia to get some of his recent information. I think Wikileaks was the front of Russia and some Europeans leaders working to get Trump elected, not because i am sure Trump is legit but because i know Hillary is the puppet of the "elites" and if she was to get elected we were going for ww3.

So... You can't cite them because they're too numerous?

Pretty rich.

ummm detaining people at the border based on their country of origin and stifling of the press are two huge ones. Plus his baseless claim of 3 million illegal votes in the last election (may be leading up to voter suppression measures) are 3 red flags to me

It just seems a huge jump to think he would accept any direct or indirect benefit from Russia after splitting his businesses off to his kids.

And wow, I've never been downvoted like that before.

Think we'll ever see the mans tax returns to prove he has no ties? No? What does he have to hide? I don't think it's a huge jump at all tbh

No one cares about his taxes, why do you?

What do you think the reason is that the nominees release their tax information?

Because some nominees want to share that info

That's an honest answer? Although there's no law that requires it, presidential candidates release their tax returns in a show of good faith to the American people as a means of transparency. To show they have no conflicts that would impede the very crucial decisions they make and have our best interest always. We should know where the economic interests lie of those who are supposed to represent. We need to know if they are being honest about where their money comes from, and where their money is. We need to better understand their motivations for the policies that they support, so we can better determine what policies are truly in the public's best interest.

For whatever reason he doesn't want to, or isn't prioritizing it. You yourself said there is no law requiring it. If you feel it should be required, head to r/politics and start a petition to get the law changed.

Lol I'll get on that. It just feels like he has something to hide. Seems shady, that's all.

It could be shady, or it could just be he didn't make as much as he bragged about, you might have noticed the guy has an ego. :)

Keep in mind that up until Trump, Nixon was the only president not to release his tax returns, and we all know how that turned out...

Trump may be bad, or he may be defensive. Either way, time will tell and we will see based on his actions. But no point crying over him not doing what you want when legally he doesn't have to. He might be the richest president to win, so that makes it different.

Because his ties to Russia have been called into question, his buisness ties in Saudia Arabia have been called into question. If his financial involement have been called into question, you'd think he'd release his tax returns to assure the people that voted for him that no, he doesn't have any shady ties.

75% of American's polled herehttp://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314483-almost-three-quarters-of-americans-want-trump-to-release-tax-returns care about his tax returns. Don't say no one cares, you're just making yourself look dumb.

So change the law. You keep yapping like a spoiled kid. Do something other than complain.

No I don't. Like I said, I take no responsibility for his post.

What does that even mean

A perfect post for this sub, a conspiracy with actual facts behind it, yet people from T_D crowd are acting like it doesn't belong here? I remember when this sub actually dove into conspiracies and was against the establishment. Now the users of this sub are trying to block and dissent against Trump? It's disgusting. I've been here for 5 years and have never seen this brazen of support for a countries leader. Good post man, keep it up!

Let's make r/conspiracy unbiased again!

So you consider it fact that Russia hacked for trump?

It's a fact that our intelligence agencies think Russia hacked us. It's also a fact that after the briefing, Trump Admitted that Russia was "probably" behind the attack.

You really think Trump is going to get oil money from Russia? People think this a possibility?

Yes. Unequivocally yes. He has hidden his finances since day 1. He has been one of the most secretive candidates we've ever had. Yet people voted for him for his "transparency".

Fucking thank you. This is a conspiracy sub, of course we feel like this whole Trump shebang is a conspiracy, especially when there's facts to back it.

And at this point, is it even a conspiracy? It's pretty much out in the open. I don't in any way consider myself a conspiracy theorist, so I am very comfortable in believing our intelligence agencies, especially when it came straight from the horse's mouth… almost literally.

Lost me at Russia did the hacking.

Why? I thought that the 17 intelligence agencies all said it was Russia...

You mean the same ones that said Iraq had WMDs and whose spokesperson reps all 17 agencies and can say whatever the Fuck he wants? You mean that guy?

Piss off, Shill.

Trump himself admitted it. What the fuck do you need to hear to believe it was Russia?

Jesus fucking Christ people.

Admitted what? Put the pipe down.

Trump admitted that Russia was "probably" behind the hacking, which in Donald speak mean they were definitely behind the attack. Do you not keep up with current events?

Yeah I do, you poppy smart ass. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE RUSSIA HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY HACKING. AGAIN, THERE IS ZERO FUCKING EVIDENCE, KNOB. ZERO.

ZERO ZERO ZERO.

And if there is, show it to us.

THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE RUSSIA HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY HACKING. AGAIN, THERE IS ZERO FUCKING EVIDENCE, KNOB. ZERO.

Aka: "I HAVEN'T LIFTED A LAZY FINGER TO LOOK FOR EVIDENCE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT AND DONT WANNA LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"

You fucking moron. There are books written on it if learn how to read.

Plus, you are suggesting that the FBI, NSA, and CIA all are lying, got TRUMP to agree to lie with them... for what? What would this gain, considering Trump has conceded that it's true.

So there goes your little conspiracy down the drain.

Also, here's a report that doesn't offer technical data that you probably wouldn't understand, but clearly outlines Russia's motives to do so.

Please, now that Trump himself has admitted that Russia was probably behind it, tell me what your new conspiracy theory is.

How did Clinton win the popular vote, but lose the election of Russia hacked it? How does that happen? Does Russia do this via LAN or Wi-Fi? What did they hack and change. And where? Just the Rust Belt?

Use critical thinking, logic, and Occham's Razor.

RUSSIA DID NOT HACK DICK IN REGARDS TO HELPING TRUMP WIN THE ELECTION.

The Hillbot Rot can spin it all they want, but Brian Fallon is a tool. And he started this stupid, baseless bullshit.

Now go read up on current events.

Do you honestly think that I think Russians hacked the voting machines? Is that what you think?

Jesus Christ... it's like talking to a wall.

Russia is the one who hacked the emails and had them sent to Wikileaks. They didn't forge votes, they hacked potentially damaging information about one party and intentionally did not hack the other party because Putin VERY CLEARLY had a favorite in this election.

Are you so dense that you don't think that distracted from and negatively affected the Democratic candidate's campaign?

Russia didn't win Trump the election, but Russia DID TAMPER with the election. Brian Fallon is not the one who did the investigation. The NSA, FBI, and CIA did. When they briefed Trump, Trump conceded. Are you also still stuck on the "birther" conspiracy theory too?

It's over. It's not a conspiracy anymore. Russia hacked the DNC.

Holy shit. Keep up.

Get it through your thick fucking skulls, Dems...

You lost over 1000 state seats, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, 12 Governorships, the President, and SCOTUS in the last 8 years.

It's not the God damn Russians. It's YOU!

P.S. Russia gave emails to Wikeaks. LMFAO, you Hillbot Rot.

What a typical response. Rather than potentially admit any wrong doing or foul play, which there clearly is on some level, you fall back to insults and "WE WON YOU LOST"...adding zero value to the actual topic. You, sir, are some kind of stupid.

Let's go back to Qatar when you catch your breath. My response will begin with David Brock.

Some little bitch boy got awfully triggered lol.

If anything, HRC, Secretary of State Alex Padilla, and the Establishment Dems STOLE the California primary.

But she just had to have it -- and then got her clock cleaned.

m.evensi.us/we-won-election-audit-fraud-proved-join-press-conf-county/198149290

I don't give a fuck about Hillary. Why are you on Hillary's tits? Who give s a fuck about Hillary.

I swear to god. That's all you losers have to fall back on. Trump could launch a nuke in two years and you worms would still be like "BUT HILLARY!! LOOK AT HILLARY! HILLARY!"

No one give a shit about Hillary. Fuck her. I don't care. It's not relevant. We are talking Russia and we are talking tampering. Doesn't matter if Hillary was the candidate or if Barney the Dancing Fucking Monkey was the candidate.

Stop deflecting. Face the issue and talk about it like a grown man, not some douchebag child.

Feel better? You changed nothing.

There is nothing that would convince you that Russia did it, is there?. Even if you saw evidence, you would think it fabricated. You think that all the intelligence agencies and a private security firm lied. Even Trump has admitted it after being shown the evidence, and he denied it for months.

Evidence would.

You have 0 faith in the intelligence community? But do you take trump/bannon at their word?

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/home/?u=48430eb2ecd1b61a791b4e919&id=c8056c2f00

You're linking to a lot of Fake News sites there buddy.

Is that really all it takes? Someone handwaves away a bunch of sources without actually engaging with the content of the post?

Do people just come to this sub so they can be told what to believe?

You post this asking for some discussion and present a bunch of links from another user. I thought maybe you were looking for people to offer more/conflicting evidence, or to discuss the existing articles.

But all that happened is 1) Someone makes a blanket statement that all the sources are 100% untrustworthy and therefore everything should be dismissed, and 2) Someone lists some pro russian bullet points that barely relate to OP, with no actual links.

And your response is "yes, thank you so much for the valuable input".

People say they come here "looking for truth", but I see a lot of "tell me what to think". People coming here like "I support Trump, and am a little worried about X. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about X". People looking for an echo chamber and getting one. It's a real irony.

I'm not balls deep into /r/conspiracy, I just like to lurk to see what people from all sides are talking about, but it's disturbing to see this kind of pattern. Obv there's a big influx of Trump supporters here, so it's extra important to not let a collective confirmation bias take hold. Please continue to follow stories like this.

Yeah, although the response wasn't satisfying IMO, still dismissive/handwavy.

There are ppl from both "sides" AFAICT, I'm just saying the population looks like it's changing. Lots of new users, lots of people accusing each other of shilling because of new users, etc. ppl being dismissed just for discussing Trump/Russia, other people giving inane reasons or excuses for ignoring Trump issues, shit like that, idk... enough that I actually left a comment.

And ya ppl have been accusing each other of shilling since the beginning of time, but still. Worth mentioning for self awareness.

They're fake because they're owned by massive corporate conglomerates and do nothing but parrot propaganda given to them by their CIA handlers.

There's no evidence Russia hacked the elections. Statements from disgruntled Hillary allies in the CIA and fucking John McCain don't count lol.

On the contrary, there's lots of evidence that Hillary stole the election from Bernie Sanders. Yet they don't report on THAT.

Is the private cyber security firm that did the analysis also not credible?

Since when is the Washington Post not credible? That is one of the best news outlets left in existence.

Third richest person in the world owns it. It's ridiculous to think that it would never be used as a machine to sway the public.

If you need to avoid any media that is part of a billionaire's conglomerate, you will be hard pressed to find any reasonable source for news, no? You end up looking to some of these other sham sites like "occupy Democrats" or "futurism" which are way more biased and far less reputable. At least washpo has a reputation they want to uphold and they will be immediately called out when they fail to provide quality journalism. Just because they might be at the leash of a rich man doesn't mean there is any evidence of them ever purposefully manipulating the public opinion towards his bias.

To add to this; no, Breitbart isn't reliable news. It's actual fake news ie a news company that makes up facts to attract page views.

I dont think that anyone here was suggesting breitbart was reliable.

From the OP:

 this community

You just don't get it, read his edit, this is a group of paranoid people who firmly believe the New World Order is taking over

Under this criteria, what isn't considered "fake" to you? You're literally citing the CIA, Independent security analysts, politicians from both sides of the aisle, and (I'm assuming all) major news organizations. Who would you take seriously?

I would take seriously actual evidence, not opinions by people with a strong bias.

When it comes to Trump, almost every source has a strong bias against him for some reason, so much so that it's almost impossible to get any objective information about him.

So yes that's the problem. There's practically no one you can take seriously these days, when 6 corporations effectively own all media and all are establishment lapdogs. They're all propagandists with an agenda. And the bigger they are, the worse it is.

Just curious, is Fox considered "fake news"? Just trying to figure out what sources you will accept.

Yes.

But evidence can come from any source.

There's no actual evidence of Russia hacking the election, just biased talking propagandists bloviating about it, just like they say stupid shit like "Russia hacked the DNC" with a straight face even though WL confirmed it was leaked by Seth Rich.

There is evidence, you just haven't seen it. There was enough evidence for Donald Trump himself to admit Russia was behind it after he denied it for months.

So what's the motive? Billionaire seeks more Billions by running for office?

Is this not a reasonable motive? What would make you think soros is not interested in more billions? I'm not saying money is the only motive, or that this is a completely proven conspiracy, but why would you determine the motive is unreasonable on its face, when you would accept it as a legitimate motive for someone else in that class?

Putin is a billionaire who has sought and MADE billions more ripping off the Russian people.

It would be like if Soros ran for president. Seems way easier to just channel money to politicians rather than do all that extra governing work. Putin is different as he made his money through his rise to power. No Presidency no money. Now he is in the position like Yeltsin where if he resigns he will go to jail. Trump had a choice.

Did he? How would we know? Can you see why some of us are skeptical about his net worth claims? We still would like to see those tax returns, it would go a long way to quieting some opposition. Now that he's president I'm not sure why he won't, sure it might be used against him by his enemies, but he's not called teflon don for no reason.

The IRS knows. Obama knew. Every member of Congress has conflicts of interest: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/business/a-congressional-conflict-of-interest.html

Tax returns is a red herring like most of these other issues. Issues fanned in media are purposeful designed to shift who has power. You and I are pawns. I just find it hard to believe that the most powerful man in the world is going to be "blackmailed" by someone less powerful ... particularly after all the scandal he's already been through. The dude has been rich all his life, his family has enormous wealth, he is 70 years old ... hard to see greed as the motivator. Narcissism sure ... but I think it's more like him exploiting Russia, Wikileaks than the other way around.

Did Obama have anyone he was responsible to? Isn't the entire point of a conspiracy to hide the true nature of power and who really holds it? Our hearts and minds are the battlefield.

Right now I'm staring at one of his monuments to the god of greed. I respect your honesty, but in my personal and professional life I have never seen wealth as an inhibitor of greed. Maybe it has something to do with a historic cultural value of Americans to associate success with goodness. I see a man who always wants more.

I don't know what deals he has made to get to where he is, I just see him as always serving himself. He has burned almost everyone he does business with. A real estate guy from New York who doesn't have mob ties?

Look I get the previous regime was corrupt. All human organizations that large are. But Russia is a whole different level. Some countries are much worse than others.

I want transparency and feel this may be the least transparent ever. I think we deserve more answers. I want to believe this theory is wrong, but it lines up too perfectly with my own bias.

Eh ... Trump doesn't bother me. He's a bull in a China shop, an agent of change, and will restore balance to things even if he has to go down in flames to do so. I don't know how intentional it is (it's pure genius if it is) but in the end it doesn't matter. He's making us think about what power's a president should or shouldn't have, what the balance of power should be, what the relationship of government and media should be, whether oligarchs have to much power, what it means to be republican or democrat. All good things. In the end people see what they want to see.

As for answers, we've had 50 years of secrecy and lies. This will be the MOST transparent Presidency ever as every move he makes will be scrutinized a million times over. His tax returns? Don't care. Mob connections? Laughable. Bush, Clinton, Obama were dealers in war (assassins, drones, invasions) and supported regimes/countries that deny basic human rights to people, consider women second class citizens, and fund terrorism. And we are worried about mob ties or Russia? CLASSIC red herring. How could mob ties POSSIBLY be worse than the ACTUAL relationships these presidents have had? How is Putin POSSIBLY worse than Saudi Arabia?

Russia denies basic human rights, and has its own agenda to subvert its rivals and expand.

If we are to actually put America first, we need to understand our position in the world of 4d international chess. It was in our interest to align with Saudi Arabia. They only sold oils in dollars and we protected them. It is hard to explain how much the petrodollar has helped you, but know that other large powers did not like this. Sure Saudi Arabia treats people horribly, but it was a great deal for America.

But this puts me in an odd position because our relationship with Saudi Arabia was a mess before, they help us some areas and made a deal with radical Wahhabism for the king to stay in power.

We really do not share the same strategic objectives as Russia. There were areas we had to work with them, and the previous administrations did not think very carefully about what tricks they had up their sleeve if we pushed them into a corner.

Economically they are not very important to us, we don't have much need to trade with them, and basically the country is run for the personal financial benefit of Putin and his cronies. We don't need their oil, Europe does through the pipeline. We wanted to go around them and cut them out.

Stability on the world order was a good thing for America because we set up the global system to unfairly help us. Having the Middle East a mess helped keep the price of oil low. If they didn't fight and really united they would nationalize industry and harmUS multinationals.

I don't mean to defend the status quo too much, because there was much to criticize.

Russia is not really a friend in fighting radical Islam. And within Islam there is a civil war on about 100 fronts. It is a quagmire that will take generations to resolve. We mostly need to move beyond oil and focus on the future. Once we do that we can cut the saudis loose.

So sure I'd rather live in Russia over SA but when it comes to us power, we had good reasons for the old way. I'm not seeing good reasons to buddy up to Putin. And with the stunt he pulled to hack us, we are in a whole new world. Some things just weren't done in the past because they didn't think they'd get away with it.

The US also denies human rights ... it's just that Saudia Arabia is in the bottom five in the world.

Do you not see your hypocrisy here? It's "a good deal" for us because of oil and you're willing to look the other way, but you want transparency on tax returns and hypothetical mob ties presumably because of some ethical rationale? Moreover, you yourself admit Russia doesn't mean anything to us economically or strategically yet we need to investigate Trump for his ties because it is of paramount to our national security?

The contortions anti-Trump folks go through never cease to amaze me. It's time to realize the red herrings for what they are. And by the way ... where did all the warmongering and hysteria in the press around Syria go? Amazing how that all disappeared once Obama left and Clinton lost.

Wag the dog.

The relationship with SA was bipartisan and in the us strategic interest. I am trying to be more descriptive, personally I've thought we needed to rethink our relationship with SA for a while, Iran is actually a population of young people who we have more in common with. The Shia Sunni civil war is complicated and we should avoid taking any side, and use them when it serves us. Basic realpolitik.

What I meant is that we have real allies who help us, The EU and Australia, and it makes no sense to trade those allies for Russia. Russia presents some real threats to our interest. They want to take back as much of the Soviet Union into their sphere of influence as possible. They have very advanced propaganda techniques.

My primary concern is not about ethics, it is strategic. I worry that we have lost significant national power. When you own the China shop I don't see how it helps you to be a bull.

A leader compromised by issues that violate the ethical norms of that society is a weak leader. The deal we made with the Saudi devil was transparent. I don't like it, and I feel a concentrated investment in green energy instead of subsidies to fossil fuel special interest could have lead us to move beyond oil as the primary geostrategic concern. The Wars of the 20th century were fought over oil, and the winners need it.

But honestly it is far more complicated than I am able to describe here, and yes putting America first does make us hypocrites, because the art of diplomacy is making deals that serve you.

Right now we have no definitive evidence. I do not know how becoming more friendly to Russia is in our interest. Good relations should never be the object of diplomacy. Good relations are good because both sides are getting something out of it.

Putin was in a very weak position, which did create other risks, he was being forced to show his strong arm too much, which united many forces against him. I don't know what the us gets by removing sanctions. I worry our friends and allies will no longer trust us with the soft power we previously had.

Our allies have little choice in anything. You think Germany or Denmark is going to run to our rescue? Where are they going to go? UK did something called Bexit themselves. Italy and France leaving EU soon too. You'd prefer a China-Russia alliance? Seems foolish. Eight years of EU-Obama love fest didn't amount to much. Low economic growth, war and more war, increase in terrorism.

Trump's not a weak leader. It's the opposite. Change is hard. You've got to break eggs, rip off band-aids, some people aren't going to like it. What I see are illy tantrums over visas and crowd sizes and words. Truth is dems have almost no power. Whipping up media frenzy is the only thing they have left ... they know this and Trump knows this and is exploiting it. The more he is in the news the better.

The EU was a bulwark against Russian aggression. They want to divide Europe so they can eat it piece by piece, divided yes even Germany will be held hostage or frozen in winter when Russia shuts off the gas like they did to Ukraine. A united Europe is in America's interest, divided they fall to the manipulations of our adversaries.

Yes Russia's divide and conquer strategy by using a whole new age of psychological warfare on the hearts and minds of foreign populations has been tremendously effective.

Winning election is like picking up a girl at a bar, governing is like marriage and child rearing. A master pick up artist is not the same thing as an excellent husband and father. Yes, the GOP has all the power in the system. What are they doing with it? What is the end game? Why is it a good thing?

Was not the tea party and birtherism a demonstration of the weakness of Obama? How does everything you say not apply to conservatives in 2009?

Being in the news is great when you are running for president. When you are president of the United States when you take a shit it's news. Everything he does is news. This country is divided, a great leader unites.

I just have to note how odd it is to me that you describe his opponents as the ones having "tantrums."

At this point I just don't know what world events would alter your chosen reality.

Afraid of Russia are we? Swallowing the lefts narrative hook line and sinker. I don't love Trump or the GOP but hopefully this is the death of identity politics and political correctness which is so awful for society. We are overdo for real debate on a whole host of issues. I agree on 2009 ... it's the exact same thing just the Dems are on the outside looking in. The rage is palpable.

I don't think the "tantrums " statement its odd at all. You and I don't see him the same way at all. You see a childish narcissist because you consume MSM and are conditioned to this. It was the same playbook (condescension and derision) with Palin and Romney and the Teaparty. I see something else entirely. I see a master manipulator deeply skilled in media relations that knows exactly what the MSM playbook is. The MSM will never let him be Presidential so is taking the fight to them.

For what its worth I am a believer in Assange. If Trump just continues Obamas wars he loses the benefit of the doubt from me.

I have always said Trump is an expert at what he does, which is market himself. My point is that his genius is a very limited skill set that is perfect for the media environment, but that is not even close to the skill set needed to be a great leader. I would describe Hillary and Obama as manager types, not the leaders we need. We have a leadership crisis.

As for my personal bias, I can only assure you that I have held basically the same opinion of Trump I currently hold since 2006. I have always had a personal disdain for his business based on marketing rather than building real value.

If there is a bright side to this debacle, it is that we are giving him and his supporters all the role in the world. If we hang, there are no excuses. He has all the power anyone could want to enact his agenda.

I used to believe in Assange, but Obama called his bluff and destroyed the last remaining credibility in my mind. He is a man with his own agenda, which is not transparency.

Yeah well you seem nice enough but its clear where you get your info. I think if you'd read Wikileaks in any detail, read Assange's books, or watched any of his talks over the years there is absolutely no way you could have this perspective. Feel sorry for you actually ... but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Hillary and Obama (and Bushes) are essentially mass murderers. The US has been in perpetual war for almost 30 years. We export billions in weapons whose only purpose is death. We've raped and destroyed country after country, pilfering oil and gold. You are incredibly naive if you think those two were "manager" types. What you see is almost entirely fake. It's all produced for your consumption ... Trump is just a different show for a different audience. It's going to be a long and lonely few years for you.

If Assange released info on Russians it would go a long way to show me he was an equal opportunity releaser. He talks the talk, but I'm not seeing him walk the walk.

All presidents since at least FDR have been mass murderers. The national security state enforces the status quo. But the status quo has benefitted me. Around 2002 I was a huge Wall advocate, and felt for years that a populist revolution was needed. Unfortunately I don't think trump is actually serving his audience. The message he sold is not the same as the agenda he is pushing.

The right way to help the people who elected him would be to attack the oil and gas industry and create a new green public works job program.

I think you will be very disappointed in Trump. The tactics that won him the election are not the tactics needed to secure his brand of authoritarianism. If he had smarter people around he would be more dangerous. The smart way to trigger the non "Muslim ban" would be after an attack.

I don't think Assange owes you or the democrats proof of anything. What's stupid is you folks totally ignore the content preferring to instead focus on the messenger. If you focused on the content, on the democrat's OWN WORDS, and see how dispicable they were you wouldn't care if it was Russia or Donald Duck. Educate yourself : https://wikileaks.org/-Leaks-.html

And like I said, I don't actually care much about Trump. I am however thrilled the Democratic machine in ashes. Despicable party. Ruling elites and the very poor they rule over. Run by rich white men and women preying on minorities sensibilities so they can stay in power. Screaming racism and sexism at every turn while exploiting the very same identity politics and class hatred the so perfectly exemplify. It's dirty and shameful. But they own the press so we never question it.

I think Trump has shrewder people around him than Obama did ... which was how he got elected. I also think he's way further ahead than people fathom. It's the naive masses that take things at face value. A couple weeks in he already gets to claim he's fulfilled all his campaign promises. The "Muslim" ban? They knew the left would howl no matter what so they went straight for jugular. It's crazy bold. He's forcing courts to sort out the details, forcing both the left and the right to show their cards, he has the initiative which, if you know anything about strategy, is where you want to be. Force other to react to you. The left can pretend all they want, can mock all they want, but in the end he will act (for good or bad) and they are powerless . Riots and protests and that's all they got. When the mid-terms come around and it gets even more republican the left will be going wtf even more. They are missing things entirely, preferring to believe they are the enlightened ones. One big echo chamber where they turn on TV daily to confirm their beliefs and go on their merry way.

Sometimes memes are good at conveying a message. This one is. http://i.imgur.com/L0p4pQA.jpg

Believe it or not Russia should have been our #1 ally. If you carefully look at the last couple decades Russia made great efforts towards creating a good relationship with the US and promoting word peace, but the US puppet gov has been manipulating people in thinking they are a threat to us and waging sanctions and war against them so a handful of globalists can benefit and keep people enslaved. Putin has 80+ approval ratings from the Russian people and he sometimes did try to expose the globalist agenda but was threatened for extinction along with his countrymen. Russia is controlled by the globalists and Putin is just a powerless man trying to do the best given the current situations.

• Putin asked to be become a member of NATO - US refused.
• Putin threatened to expose the global agenda - US put sanctions and threatened war
• Putin tried to dump oil into the market which would have caused economic prosperity on the planet and dirt cheap oil - US sanctions and global oil regulatory agency refused and even limited the Russian oil export keeping high oil prices and economic control.
• Putin exposed government manipulation and human enslavement - US sanctions and the news barely made it out of Russia even though Putin hold conference meetings with all the major news channels on the planet
• Putin offered cooperation and willingness toward the US government - US refused to hear him and refused cooperation for at least 15 years now

After ww2 a deal was made with the Soviet Union and the USA. The NATO keeps distance and threats away from Russia and Russia will pull back from Germany and Europe. Also this agreement said that nuclear would not be produced. Since then NATO grew by I think 9 countries that surround Russia and even tried to include Ukraine which is literally next to Russia, we all know what happened.

The examples go on forever. I'm not saying he is an angel, but he sure is a better leader from anyone we had in the US the last couple decades.

Its not as simple as that and many historical events and gov actions played a secret part on how we ended up in this situation.

Note: Recently Democrats accused Russia for election interference, and they might be right. My opinion this was a global effort involving multiple countries as an effort to prevent ww3 and give the true reality to the American people.

Next time you see the media and politic puppets complain ask yourself "Is the person responsible showing the truth to blame or the actual parties involved in conspiring against the people resulting in human enslavement so a handful of globalists can live like gods?" Personally do you want to know the truth or to live under false reality?

Well I would suggest turning off CNN, Fox and any other news channel on tv and start digging in the web for knowledge from normal Joes and independent reporters. Its all a big deception and technically we're all slaves fed the illusion of democracy. Personally I think the last US president who was for the people was JFK. The month of his assassination he signed an executive order that was the first step on giving freedom to the people. He tried to cut out the central banks and give the power back to the people by issuing silver backed tbills. Weeks later he was killed and 5 months the law was canceled.

I mean when you start understanding what is really going on you will get depressed. All human on planet Earth can live a peaceful and prosperous life. All those problems you hear in the news all day are straight nonsense. Earth has unlimited resources so everyone can live like a king, but the current kings don't want that. Ww2 was a setup, 9/11 setup, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria etc all are fake setups.

Year 2000: 7 countries having independent central banks. 1) Afghanistan 2) Iran 3) Sudan 4) Libya 5) Cuba 6) North Korea 7) Iran

I won't point out the meaning, look at the names and I know you understand what i mean.

Year 2011: 3 countries not having a Rothschild controlled central bank 1) Cuba 2) North Korea 3) Iran

How cool is that fact??? The whole and deception is so deep that is mind blowing. But know this, we're all slaves now.

I would also suggest reading the founding fathers and old president papers, they knew exactly what was going on and where we're going, they even warned us but no one has the time to read anything anymore. Some even went to depression of the reality and apologized of what took place during their presidency for destroying the country and enslaving the people. Some did fight really hard for the people, it now is the hidden history of human civilization and the grow/fall of the USA. At one point in history the US was leading the way for global peace and prosperity, but then it was taken over and leaded to its own distraction so the "kings" can stay kings of the planet.

Some food for thought from some of the best and most honest presidents that ever lived in the USA.

“There was abundance in the Colonies, and peace was reigning on every border. It was difficult, and even impossible, to find a happier and more prosperous nation on all the surface of the globe. Comfort was prevailing in every home. The people, in general, kept the highest moral standards, and education was widely spread.” - Benjamin Franklin

“We have no poor houses in the Colonies; and if we had some, there would be nobody to put in them, since there is, in the Colonies, not a single unemployed person, neither beggars nor tramps.” - Benjamin Franklin

“That is simple. In the Colonies, we issue our own paper money. It is called ‘Colonial Scrip.’ We issue it in proper proportion to make the goods and pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to pay to no one.” - Benjamin Franklin

-----Soon afterward, the English bankers demanded that the King and Parliament pass a law that prohibited the colonies from using their scrip money. Only gold and silver could be used which would be provided by the English bankers. This began the plague of debt based money in the colonies that had cursed the English working class.

The first law was passed in 1751, and then a harsher law was passed in 1763. Franklin claimed that within one year, the colonies were filled with unemployment and beggars, just like in England, because there was not enough money to pay for the goods and work. The money supply had been cut in half.-----

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance. - James Madison

“Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or ever will do good.” - John Adams

All the perplexities confusion and distress in America arise not from defects of the Constitution, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed. - A Lincoln

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.” -Abraham Lincoln

Despite these warnings, Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson

“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815

“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.” Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination

“Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history.” Karl Marx writing in the Communist Manifesto (1848).

“That this House considers that the continued issue of all the means of exchange – be they coin, bank-notes or credit, largely passed on by cheques – by private firms as an interest-bearing debt against the public should cease forthwith; that the Sovereign power and duty of issuing money in all forms should be returned to the Crown, then to be put into circulation free of all debt and interest obligations…” Captain Henry Kerby MP, in an Early Day Motion tabled in 1964.

“Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing. ” Ralph M Hawtry, former Secretary to the Treasury.

“… our whole monetary system is dishonest, as it is debt-based… We did not vote for it. It grew upon us gradually but markedly since 1971 when the commodity-based system was abandoned.” The Earl of Caithness, in a speech to the House of Lords, 1997.

Any recommended further reading/watching, for someone new to the subject?

Many!! What exactly are you looking for. If you really are new and you had no idea about this then i will assume there are many things you do not know. Are you more interested in the economy part?

What's a good starting resource or overview for understanding the Federal Reserve? That will probably give me enough to start researching on my own. I'm sure I can just search on YouTube or look for a book on Amazon, just curious if you have an opinion on the best place to start.

From there, if you have a reading list I'd love to queue up my spring and summer reading :)

So there is no valid true source you can go and know you're getting the truth, i do know an excellent book that describes the true history of money, but id does cover the recent modern economy, then i know some old documentaries that kinda do a good job. But there's many fake and manipulated books and documentaries that are put out there just to manipulate, confuse and discredit reality so be careful, always verify. Personally i probably went through hundreds of information, i then had to find a way to clean up the mess so I started writing down only what i was 100% sure is the truth, not even including facts i was 90% sure just in case. Eventually it grows on you and you kinda get good filtering out the propaganda. I will write down the names of the books for you when i go home, i dont remember the names on top of my head.

Awesome, I look forward to seeing the list once you get a chance to compile it. Thanks again!

Also, I appreciate you took the time to read it. People don't read anything more than 5 lines this days, which makes it impossible to show them what is going on. I truly have spent tremendous amount of time researching this stuff and i want to give the knowledge I acquired for free so i can help people get out of slavery and bring prosperity, but people really don't want to listen. So thank you for taking the time to read and wanting to improve yourself.

Seriously, thank you for putting this together. One of my close friends was rambling about the federal reserve last year, but I just thought he was crazy. When I saw your comment I remembered my conversation with him, but your thoughts are way more cohesive and caught my interest.

Goosebumps all over, good post.

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If this wasn't proof this sub has transformed to the_donald 2.0 I don't know what is

This is a good thread with well documented sources regarding a huge conspiracy and it is being downvoted and buried because it shows Trump in a negative light. It doesn't take a genuis to put 2 and 2 together.

The conspiracy in the OP is one of the biggest conspiracies in recent history that involves the highest positions in government.

This sub is called /r/conspiracy

And yet this post only has ~20 comments, only 100 votes, and is heavily being downvoted.

Why?

Because it's about Trump.

As I type this comment there's a thread about pizzagate made a few hours ago that has 630 votes and more comments.

The partisan bias is so blatant I'm not sure how anyone can deny it

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JFK also was one of the "elite" puppets. But JFK pretended to be their friend and puppet and once in office he tried to expose them and bring them down. Just saying, it might not be as simple as that...

I remember when the sub looked into all conspiracies with equal diligence :9 gone are those days, say hello to the trumpettes i guess. Also; fuck Donald Trump, the Mango Mussolini

Got linked to here.. and just wanted to say that this post should be updated with information about the sanctions being withdrawn literally a day after Tillerson was confirmed. WTF.

I am not familiar of the recent events concerning Trump but i know some cook history about oil, corruption and Russia. So again, i am not connecting anything here, just feeding information and maybe people would be able to make connections.

So its really deep and complicated but i will try my best to point out the most important info.

Russia has huge oils reserves that is restricted to take out and sell by the big "gang" that controls humanity. A big reason the US gov and media push the hatred against Russia has a lot to do with Russias ability to provide oil to Europe in which will ultimately only hurt the "gang". So by keeping Russia as an enemy they are able to push sanctions and so on. Currently the biggest supplier of oil in that part of the planet is S Arabia. The issue here though is that we say S Arabia but in reality is just a family that controls all the oil. The name of the company is Aramco and its financials are hidden because its privates. BUT, the history of how it came to be and who controls it goes really back in time that you can trace it to the USA and Standard oil. By controlling the oil they control human survival, and some of the recent wars are in fact the actions taken to keep this going. Now when it comes to Russia people don't understand that most if the things they know about Russia and hate them for it is actually lies and propaganda. This election was not about electing a US president, it was preventing ww3. Hillary was going to finish up the "gang" plan and global leaders which one of them was Putin warned publicly that the global "gang" was playing the last move and they will fight against it even if it means ww3. The leaks in my opinion came from Russia and other Europeans countries were some people tried for a last time to wake the people up. They had global conference meetings with news organizations before the election but the media around the world refused to inform people, so the information had to come to the people one way or another.

In my view Russia is not the enemy. Even though its banking system is controlled by the "gang" Putin is not.

Oil and money supply are the 2 big.

This is great. Could you do one on Saudi Arabia and Clinton too?

And at this point, is it even a conspiracy? It's pretty much out in the open. I don't in any way consider myself a conspiracy theorist, so I am very comfortable in believing our intelligence agencies, especially when it came straight from the horse's mouth… almost literally.

Lol I'll get on that. It just feels like he has something to hide. Seems shady, that's all.