Question for Trump supporters in this sub: why didn't Trump include the country who funds most of the extremists groups around the world in his ban? Trump refuses to include Saudi Arabia, who was responsible for 911. Strange!

18  2017-01-29 by russian321

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Yup I thought the same thing.

We rely on Saudi Arabia for oil, which I mentioned on your other duplicate text post with 6-10 upvotes in under 5 minutes

KSA doesn't shit where they eat. They fund groups primarily in the countries mentioned.

Still makes them terrorists

Who? We don't know exactly who, that's the problem. We know where they are financing that terrorism though, and those are the countries that have been banned as per recommendation of most dangerous countries by the Department of Homeland Security.

If we would have banned the Saudis from coming into our country before 911, then 911 wouldn't have happened. Most of the terrorists on 911 were from Saudi Arabia.

They were little more than crisis actors. The buildings were rigged with explosives.

I agree about SA not making the list knowing they fund terrorism, but what i find as odd is most of the people arguing this on facebook dont want any ban, from any country.. then argue as to why more should have been on this list,then call it a total ban of muslims.

they keep shifting their stance

He didn't name the countries, he picked the countries of concern established by DHS under Obama

So he should have changed that list

Possibly but maybe the process is harder than just saying a name of a country? Perhaps this process of changing the list takes longer than a week.

It literally would have been as easy as saying the name. Trump just copied a list used for an entirely different purpose and pasted into his executive order.

Where is your reference on this, I don't just believe what you say

So, in 2015 Congress passed the (Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015)[https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text]. The law made revisions to the visa waiver program, which is what allows people from certain countries to travel to the U.S. without applying for a visa -- i.e., someone from the UK does not need to apply for a travel visa to enter the U.S. for a short term stay. The law said that if nationals of 38 countries visited certain countries known to harbor terrorists, they would no longer be granted automatic waivers; they would have to apply for a visa to visit the U.S.

The initial countries were Iraq, Syria, Iran or Sudan, and in February 2016 Libya, Somalia and Yemen were added.

Trump's Executive Order has nothing to do with that Act. Instead, Trump's order is based on general authority granted in the Immigration and Nationality Act, drawing on the White House's plenary authority to restrict immigration. They may have gotten the list from the one Obama used for the other purpose, but the Executive Order, in its own text, makes all the factual findings that allegedly support the order. Trump could have very easily added countries to the executive order.

Do you know how laws work? Clearly not.

Or he decided to do the same thing to see if people would be hypocritical and freak out at him for doing essentially the same thing as had already been done before.

Wait are saying that Obama, the Kenyan born Muslim, is responsible that Muslims from those countries can't enter the US anymore? So what did Trump actually do? Trying to prevent it?? Who is sitting in the White House? Trump or still Obama 😱

Can you get this retarded drivel out of this sub? This is some r/politics level intellect.

Then please enlighten me with the vast knowledge you aquired from /r/the_donald!

Okay, look at my other comments.

honestly dude i dont know why and im a trump supporter btw

Seems a little strange, no?

a little lol

Then do 5 seconds of research, the answer is very simple and doesn't involve Trump bending the knee to SA.

Likely because Saudi Arabia has tighter controls on travel to US already. Less likely to see Saudi refugee. Other nations are war-torn.

Nope.

Bush/CIA/shadow government did 9/11

9/11 was done by Israel, who recruited a bunch of muslim idiots to do their job for them.

A) Like it or not SA is our second best ally in the middle east.

B) A very, very small amount of people immigrate to US from SA

C) Like it or not SA is a huge business partner of the United States

D) Angering SA right now would cause a whole shit ton of problems in the international community as they have power in international orgs, for examples they sit on the UN human rights council

E) As another commenter pointed out the bad actors in SA finance the terrorism done in OTHER countries.

Too bad it was mostly Saudis who crashed the planes on 911

Is that really your only retort to everything I said?

If Trump really was going to drain the swamp, he'd start first by getting rid of all the Saudi lobbyists, which there are TONS

He literally just signed a 5 year ban on lobbying by government employees. He can't control what the private sector does.

Don't forget that Trump has business ties with SA. Why not cut off those ties too?

I think it's a pretty significant point, considering.

LOL, where has the outrage been for the last 15 years?

SA is not an ally, they are merely part of an unholy alliance the USA has engaged in because of our alliance with Israel (Israel and SA are chummy). F) Saudi Arabia is at war with Yemen, trying to reinstall an ousted dictatorship. They are killing civilians daily.

You're not going to get me to argue that SA is a country ran by good people. I however think there is plenty of reasons not to piss them off diplomatically right now when Trumps only been in office for 9 days. If he doesn't go after them sooner or later I will be upset, right now isn't the time to do it though in my opinion.

You're right about my f) point not being totally correct. There are no wars happening inside the country right now nor is it a war torn country is what I should have said.

bullshit, your country attacked Yemen and now Yemen is attacking targets in Saudi Arabia. They have even invaded small portions of your country because your soldiers are so incompetent.

That is a good question, and I am also wondering why Saudi Arabia is not included. I mean, we all know it is because of oil, but they should come out and say it.

Exactly

Well, it isn't.

I think other countries should start banning US politicians.

How about politicians in general :D

Even better... I am not even sure why we need them. They do more harm than good.

Because Saudi Arabia doesn't have a war in its borders? You do know that for there to be refugees, there must be something displacing them, right?

You don't believe there is religious persecution in Saudi Arabia?

No, I am positive there is actually. But guess what? There is religious persecution ALL OVER developing countries. I was under the impression that we were taking immigrants because their cities were destroyed by bombs, not because they are in an oppressed class in their country.

First of all, I'm gonna need to see some proof that Saudi Arabia is responsible for 9/11. There's more proof that our own government was behind that.

Second, he's using the list of countries that Obama made in 2011... of course when Obama did it though the media and everyone is like "yeah!!! Obama is so great and so smart and a god."

Obviously, what Obama did wasn't nearly as extreme as what trump has done, but you can't ignore the fact that a lot of people in those countries hate America with a passion and want nothing more than to destroy it. There are people in those countries that strap bombs on their chests and blow themselves up and other innocent people. That is insanity. Do you really want those people to have an open invitation to America?

<First of all, I'm gonna need to see some proof that Saudi Arabia is responsible for 9/11.

Well there is the fact that like 15/19 hijackers were Saudis, then there is the shit from the "missing 28 pages" which showed said Saudis had ties to the Saudi government.

If you accept any of that as proof shrugs

Personally I find it highly unlikely it was one, or even two countries who were involved in the planning of 9-11. Most likely there was a coalition of nations...

It's the exact same countries Obama had on the list. But good point. Saudi Arabia is the largest state sponsor of terror and Islamic extremism.

Right, a lot of morons in this thread.

The answer is very simple. Because he can't.

All he did with this executive order is enforce laws already passed into legislation under a visa waiver program by Congress under Obama, and guess what? Only 7 countries are on that list, and Saudi Arabia isn't one of them.

Better yet, why don't Saudi Arabia deal with the middle east refugee problem instead of America?

Saudi king agrees in call with Trump to support Syria, Yemen safe zones: White House

He didn't create this list, Obama and Obama's DHS did, you reasoning is flawed here

Bro, please, please don't believe the lies. Our down government did 9/11. If you can't believe or accept that, you are lost.

DEEP financial ties to congress concerning Saudi Arabia.

Oil we need it. They have it. Its the reason we have been their lanky for 30 years

Saudi Arabia didn't have shit to do with it and that's why Obama didn't put them on the list. He knew what happened on 9/11.

Because Trump took the politically safe route with this ban. He only banned refugees from countries identified as high risk by the Obama Administration because he knew the protesty fucks would shout their usual 'tyranny, Nazi' claims.

Source: Reince Prebus on Meet the Press this past Sunday 01/29/2017

It literally would have been as easy as saying the name. Trump just copied a list used for an entirely different purpose and pasted into his executive order.

9/11 was done by Israel, who recruited a bunch of muslim idiots to do their job for them.