So we're walking on eggshells around our UAE masters until we get to import that expensive as shit Canadian tar sand oil and free ourselves forever from Saudi slavery? Our relationship with Saudi Arabia goes far deeper than just buying oil, they're the proxy for arming terrorists with US weapons from Syria to fucking Kyrgyzstan. Without Saudi help the US would lose valuable leverage in the new phoenix program (i.e. any rebranding of Al Qaeda currently destabilizing countries with terror attacks).
Can't disagree at all. But I don't think President Trump going to continue arming terrorists. His most valuable relationship right now IMO is Tulsi Gabbard. The real conundrum is how to redpill the rabid liberals with the knowledge that their dieties were busy arming terroridts.
Andrew Liveris, the CEO of Dow Chemical, is on Trump's manufacturing council. Guess who just finished a $20 billion joint venture with Saudi Aramco in Saudi Arabia?
Obama's administration probably selected these 7 countries because they have such a high level of instability that the government doesn't have any amount of control over a significant portion of their citizens. As a result, it is impossible to screen the people that come in. A refugee from all of these countries (except for Iran) could as well be a guy who beheaded 50 people and we would have no way to know.
Why would Saudi-Arabia be included in the list? The SA government is the government on this planet I'd like to see deposed the most, but it is a fact that SA is probably the most stable country in the region. If anyone dared to support ISIS there, he would immediately be thrown into a dungeon and get tortured.
These seven nations were not chosen at random. They were all singled out as exceptional security risks in the Terrorist Prevention Act of 2015 and its 2016 extension. In fact, President Trump’s orderdoes not even name the seven countries. It merely refers to the sections of U.S. Code that were changed by the Terrorist Prevention Act:
I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.
I didn't read much Breitbart throughout the last several months but lately I've read a few articles. This one seems reasonable and not sensational in its arguments.
no, the list is 100% obama's. the countries named in the act are only iraq and iran, it was obama's DHS that added the rest.
I've posted the links to both the 2015 law and the DHS policy on this morning. i'm on my phone now, but search my history, if you'd like to read them, you'll find them.
Who cares, he didn't use it for this purpose. If you're going to ban immigration, make your own fucking list based on your own criteria to suit your goal
I agree, and besides, why should it be better if it was Obama's list? We want a break for the status quo, not a continuation of it, that's the whole point of Trump.
It was attached as a rider to a government funding bill pushed by a Republican Congress. Either it was pass it or cause a government shutdown. Don't let facts get in the way of your narrative though.
My narrative? It happened under his administration that's a fact. Is also fact that if the travel ban was a Muslim ban it would include the countries I mentioned. But sure you can continue to live in a world where just saying someone is wrong is enough to convince at least some people who share your opinions and don't care to listen to both sides.
The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
Yeah no idea as well. Mom loves blasting MSNBC all day and they keep reiterating that Saudi wasn't included in the list because Trump has business deals there, except it wasn't even Trumps list. Even being a democrat myself it's sad to see misinformation being played on both sides.
Which is ironic, because Trumps "Muslim Ban" effects then far less than the defacto christian ban of the Obama admin which assured they would stay under more oppressive conditions than the "refugees". Nobody gave a crap about the Christians, as their genocide was well underway in the middle east.
Fuck that, why isn't SAUDI ARABIA on the list? If you're trying to stop terrorists from entering the United States, shouldn't the country that supplied 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 be, like, the very top of the list?
The same country that beheads women in public?
Now why might the Obama administration omit them from the list? I'm sure it has nothing to do with oil, or all those millions of dollars they donated to the Clinton foundation.
While I am concerned with Trump's favoritism to Israel, which coupled with what seems like dislike of Muslims, is unsettling . omitting Israel has nothing to do with that. Israel isn't publicly known for it's citizens committing terrorist acts across the globe, and the list is just an inhereited list from previous admin.
Israel isn't publicly known for it's citizens committing terrorist acts across the globe
Interesting you chose the word "citizens". No, but it's not citizens, (hilarious omission though!) it's the Mossad, and other dogs of terrorism they use the world over.
No, but it's not citizens, (hilarious omission though!) it's the Mossad, and other dogs of terrorism they use the world over.
Dude, your average Trump hating, HIllary loving, blue haired liberal dumass isn't going to know anything about any negative action done on the part of Israel, or by an Israeli.
Dude, your average Trump hating, HIllary loving, blue haired liberal dumass isn't going to know anything about any negative action done on the part of Israel, or by an Israeli.
I am making a response appropriate to the content I am responding to.
Syrians have committed terrorist acts in the US as recent as November 2016. Syria was banned. It makes sense in speaking to a ban on national origin to refer to Israel in the sense of national origin.
If your so concerned about everyone's education of the atrocities of Israel, why don't you start creating posts about it and stop over-analyzing random comments that have nothing to do with educating a faceless interest about Israel's murders.
Syria has a long and sad history with terrorists coming from their country. But state sponsorship is another matter. While I agree Syria is a troublesome player in the world of terrorism I dont know exactly how best to address it.
9/11 was an act of terror perpetrated by zionist Israelis, to bring about the never-ending war on terror. As I said, Israeli's are the world's biggest terrorists.
9/11 was an act of terror perpetrated by zionist Israelis, to bring about the never-ending war on terror to benefit Israel. As I said, Israeli's are the world's biggest terrorists.
It is difficult to accept the ugly truth that the Bush administration worked with Israeli intelligence to murder americans. It's time you faced the fact that human life means nothing to those that rule us. Protecting Israel by destroying its enemies and keeping the military industrial complex going is all that matters to them.
I am quite sane. If you still believe the official story after 15 years in the information age, you are literally the crazy one here. Physics alone prove controlled demolition. How's about you just go ahead and read something? If you don't think those with power and wealth want to keep their power and wealth, there is no hope for you, dolt.
I never asked anyone to trust me. I simply state what I believe.
Don't look into 9/11 for yourself, and don't ever believe anything except what they tell you on the TV. My buttocks are clenched because I know we are all fucked.
I've looked superficially. The theories assume massive competence and secrecy on scales I find hard to believe, as you can't find any evidence of the govt being capable of that
It's freaking 7 countries with significant ties to terrorist organizations (with other countries possibly being added later). Why the fuck can't people understand this yet?
its more efficient, we dont have the resources necessary to send individuals over there to oppress and beat the shit out of them one by one yet. our authorities are way over-extended already just trying to beat the shit out of us.
Why? Aren't like 70% of terrorist attacks and mass shootings committed by natural born citizens and not immigrants?
The stats don't back up the ban, at the very least, ban the shut hole that is Saudi Arabia since they you know, actually sponsor and fund most terrorist groups and are disgusting
If we did ban all countries it would be less of an issue morally, but also untenable because rich people want to have the freedom to migrate and bring family and friends, etc. The seven countries banned were all the poor ones. Which is the real purpose. And hey, if reactionary bitches would admit that, I suppose I'd have less of a problem with it. But if you pretend it had anything to do with Muslims, you're just as bad as the liberals under Obama have been for the last eight years. Intellectual and moral cowards, lazy and liars. Which is of course true for those who support Trump, just as it was for Obama's supporters.
How many times do I have to repeat myself? Ban. Everyone. From. All. Countries. All immigration into the US. Rich or poor, you're not getting in, until we fix our shit for our citizens already here.
I mean you don't really have to repeat yourself at all, because nobody's listening, particularly anyone who's dictating policy.
But I think you know, or should, that nothing's going to be 'fixed' ever again. The species is undergoing a revolution that will render these arguments moot before we get anything sorted. Technology is largely responsible for the current strife, from the ease with which we can annihilate civilians in far off lands, to the technology used to surveill and select targets. You know Trump's supporters would never stop short of extermination of their enemies if they could get away with it. And after that they will select new enemies, because the killing is about profit. And the supporters will say "no immigrants until we exterminate this next group of vermin." And so on, ad infinitum.
Unless he were stopped. Which would lead to the permanent crushing of the Republicans. Either way success leads to failure, because the American dream was killed by the deep state, and we're watching the death rattle of two competing parties who don't know they're dead.
It makes the US look bad in the eyes of the world, it was terribly implemented and ended up hurting normal families but probably no terrorists. And it's really unnecessary.
Crying about some people being inconvenienced and being hold up for a few hours, about some people having to request the US immigration services to review their case to make sure they're not a terrorist = heroic act to the left.
Drone striking them after "your" candidate received a world peace prize for 8 years? No problem bro.
If that's true, then it looks like he'll fit right in as U.S. president and is off to a good start in the area of wreaking the same kind of havoc upon the planet in the name of 'Murkkka that all the other shite presidents before him did.
we already killed Alwaki and his son a few years ago, his 8 year old daughter was among the dead in this strike. It certainly seems Trump is following through with his pledge to take out families of terrorists
It was boots on the ground, wiping out all occupants in the building too, not just bombs with collateral damage
The ban is shit... first of all, it is not a "Muslim Ban". I am Muslim (well born one) and I am not banned from America. I think this is his way of checking off the "Ban Muslims from America" claim he campaigned about this is just a way to appease his supporters with his "first 100 days" BS.
Also, i don't agree with bombing these nations. if we bomb em, we should help them. you don't want them in your fucking country, stop bombing them !
Why should we help them if we really think they are so bad that we are justified in killing thousands of people without trial. Why would you then let the cousin of the man you murdered into your country? The whole thing is fucked but a travel ban is nothing compared to the shit we have been doing.
Citizens don't see it - and the reasons citizens don't see it is because tptb have managed to get so many people on every side of whatever political spectrum exists believing in these manufacturing divisions that completely cloud the issue and obscure the fact that there are powerful, corporate, multinational forces synthetically orchestrating people's perspectives in such a manner that keeps the population divided, confused, ignorant, and thoroughly conquered.
Of course. Absolutely agree. There is no "if not A, then it has to be B" logic going on here, however. Certainly not from me anyway, and I think anyone thinking like that is doing it way wrong.
I also heard on NPR today that the reason these 7 were picked has to do with their ability to vet as a whole. Apparently Syrian credentials are just being handed out, like no one has proper ID. Someone walks up and says they are some person, and there is no way to verify it because the village they came from is gone. Not saying it's right or wrong, just haven't heard that being brought up as an explanation. Apparently Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. have a process in place that meets whatever arbitrary standards they deemed necessary. Convenient excuse, but I think valid nonetheless. Anyone care to enlighten me on why this is not the case?
It's called the "path to persia" and is the list of first 6 countries which have to be overthrown to create the terrorist militia which can take down Iran.
Why do we need to take them out? So they don't unify the middle east and africa in some modern islamic ottoman empire which would ally with Asiatic Russian who is working to form intimate relationships via trading and energy dependency in the "World Island" (Eastern Europe+ Germany/ France/ Italy/ Greece) - which would threaten the Atlanticist (UK/ US) empire for control of the World Order.
I had to stop listening during the Dem primaries when they got all 'Hillary is so popular and so awesome and everybody loves her and sure, there's a primary going on, but never mind that other guy!' Bought and paid for shilling.
Who is this mythical "we" you speak of? Do you mean citizens? Hmm. I'm gonna say "No. Not really." to that.
And I'm "redirecting"? Redirecting from what? The fact is that the U.S. very much is bombing the shit out of Muslim countries and that is in fact why there are so many Muslim immigrants going in to so many different parts of the world.
Im sorry you have selective memory. Before you talk shit look it up for yourself next time. You are making excuses for Trumps misguided ban by incorrectly saying nobody cared when Obama was dropping bombs. People, US citizens, protested that shit too. Pull this stupid fucking post down
Just as Hillary was used to excuse Trump's obvious negatives as a candidate Obama is being used to excuse Trump's flaws as president. It's easy to see how these mind games encourage people to accept less and less from their politicians.
Yes, I have even taken part in that silly game myself. I was no fan of Obama, even though I voted for him twice. But I often felt compelled to defend him because alot of the criticism was not valid or just plain silly. He is coming for your guns by staging school shootings, hes a closet muslim that will impose sharia. My boss at work told me racism didnt exist anymore, except Obama is racist against white people. Meanwhile Im still waiting for our troops to come home, the wars to end, and the bombs to stop dropping.
2) compare the media coverage of the protests. There was hardly any for the anti-drone activists. Do a google search.
3) Compare the tone of language used to describe Obama vs Trump. Obama used executive power to MURDER innocent people without trial - US citizens. Trump used it to deny ingress to the country. It's obvious that Obama's actions are morally WAY worse. Murder is - last I checked - pretty much one of the worst things you can do. A murder victim has no recourse. And yet - it's Trump who is being described consistently as a Fascist that is destroying the democratic institutions that govern the country. Obama is never talked about in those terms.
4) Finally - the hypocrisy of Liberals doesn't justify Trump's policies - but it does undermine liberalism as a genuine and viable political alternative. Since - if someone like Hillary and Obama is the alternative - then we are still getting murderous a-holes that like bvpassing congress and centralising executive power - and using that power to do horrible, horrible things.
This failure of liberalism to present itself as a genuine alternative politically strengthens Trump. Thus the hypocrisy absolutely needs to be challenged. Yet folks like yourself absolutely refuse to engage in any critical scrutiny in this respect whatsoever. You find one link on the internet and think that satisfies any decent amount of due-diligence - and then don't hesitate to insult and belittle those who offer this criticism.
So folks like myself who fucking hate Trump are livid at liberals like yourself who are creating a political reality that practically hands power to Trump on a platter.
And the biggest irony of them all is that the only thing you really need to do in response to this is just say: well - you know, fuck - we really should have been tougher on Obama for that. And with that simple response you present liberalism as a consistent and authentic alternative that anyone with a conscience could get behind. But nope. That's too much for some reason.
You are really running circles to blame liberals and liberalism. You know damn well the president Mccain or president Romney would have kept dropping bombs just like Obama. We did have a very viable option in Bernie, but people like you that like to use words as scare tactics, words like liberalism, socialism, scared people off.
Don't you dare blame me for Trump.
I have said that we should have been tougher on Obama, the problem being I was to busy defending him from bullshit attacks, hes a muslim, he wasn't born here, etc. I believe it was in this thread. So you have no excuse for not getting behind liberalism, except that you were full of it when you wrote your last paragraph.
You are really running circles to blame liberals and liberalism.
Before you get all huffy about being blamed for Trump - remember where this conversation started: with you trying to pretend on the flimsiest and most lazy pretense of evidence that there was no liberal hypocrisy at all.
Did you address my criticism of your original claim at all? Of course you didn't. And without doing that due diligence - you still want to reject what is an obvious consequence of that hypocrisy: that people would come to lose faith in liberalism and turn to that which would punish liberals for that hypocrisy.
Well - you haven't at all defended your claim that this hypocrisy is real. Do you manage then at least to challenge the logical connection I make between that hypocrisy and Trump's rise?
You know damn well the president Mccain or president Romney would have kept dropping bombs just like Obama.
Yep - they are just as responsible. More so - in a way - since it was their party that provided the vector for Trump's nomination. But I'm not having a conversation with a republican neo-con. I'm having a conversation with you. So my opportunity here is to promote your growth as a human being. When I get an opportunity with one of them - I assure you I'll go for it.
Secondly - conservative failure does nothing to absolve liberals of their share of the blame.
We did have a very viable option in Bernie
Actually - Bernie came out in support of the use of drones. But beyond that he was very scant on detail when it came to foreign policy. I really don't know if he would have been better than the status quo on the issue of bombing people.
Besides that - wasn't it democratic voters (i.e. supposed liberals) that didn't vote for him enough in the primaries? Either that or he was fucked over by the DNC (i.e. more supposed liberals).
So yeah - umm... why aren't you more angry at liberals for this?
but people like you that like to use words as scare tactics, words like liberalism, socialism, scared people off.
Perhaps you'd like to judge me on the basis of what I've contributed to this conversation - rather than just assuming? I can assure you - my judgements of you are based entirely on what you've said here and nothing more.
I have said that we should have been tougher on Obama
Well good for you - genuine kudos. And I mean that sincerely. But it's a pity you ruin this admission with the excuse that you give immediately following:
the problem being I was to busy defending him from bullshit attacks, hes a Muslim, he wasn't born here, etc.
This is such a bizarre excuse. So imagine there is a guy on trial for mass murder. You're in the jury - responsible for determining his guilt or innocence. You actually think he's guilty. But then you overhear one of the other jurors accuse him of being something dumb - I dunno... a Vishnu worshipper. And this juror sure can't stand the sight of Vishnu worshipers and won't shut up about it.
Do you think it makes ANY sense in that context for you to defend this guy against the heinous charge of Vishnu worshiping? That would be as mad as the person who was obsessed about the question of his Vishnu worshiping in the first place. You think he's guilty of mass murder. Why on earth would you care that someone had accused him of this dumb accusation? Why would you spend energy defending him?
That's the weirdest excuse from an Obama supporter I've ever heard.
So you have no excuse for not getting behind liberalism.
I personally do believe in liberalism. There just aren't many people around who seem to genuinely embody it.
keep spinning them circles, are you dizzy yet? You have not contributed anything to this conversation, you are further muddying it. Im living in the now, not the past. see ya
He's talking about the democratic establishment and those who seem to follow it. Chuck Schumer is leading the minority right now, and he's an israeli warmonger with zero moral authority.
Yeah. Existence is holographic, which means identity and intelligence is holographic as well - which, in turn, means that the personal consciousness we think is so unique to humans...is not really all that unique at all.
Many things (if not all things really) have consciousness. It's just often a consciousness that functions on a wavelength or a vibration that we're not really equipped to properly interpret as such.
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the creator of the sub really gave me great insight into a deep connection within myself which i am still just incorporating but bein as so significant to me i was hoping you could have a similar experience yourself or help others achieve said thru shared knowledge since you are SO SMART!
do accept there will be no chores we will all monitor ourselves there but wow the freedom of where it might lead
Cool. Will totally be in there soon as I get to the message. Apparently my in box has blown up a little for some reason. I have more messages than usual, so I’m gonna sift through them. Will totally mod and sub it.
Just all (unfortunately successful) attempts at citizen division. Keep the plebs distracted and fighting amongst themselves so they never look up from their bickering to see who's really manipulating them.
it takes a special kind of stupid to realize TPTB are actively trying to divide us, and then go right to work trying to divide us. Obamas term is over, its time to focus on Trump. I don't care if the media is unfair with the amount of coverage one got over the other. We need to focus on the now. You say you are against the travel ban? prove it. stop trying to justify his actions on the whims of the media.
I'm not a big fan of the ban but I agree with the sentiment being expressed.
I can't believe how many people, from my friends to my parents to my classmates, are losing their minds about the ban like it's the worst thing that's ever happened but I didn't hear a word from them about the mass murder that the U.S. government has been carrying out in the Mideast over years and years. It's brainwashed parroting of whatever the mainstream narrative teels them to care about.
almost everyone I know who's against the ban is against the war on terror. all these Trumpists saying we didn't do this when America bombed these countries are the same people that cheered when we declared war on Iraq. there were protests against the Iraq war.
Occupy had overtones of just about everything that was vaguely left, as it was by design a leaderless movement with no set direction, but if it had any unifying message, it was economic justice and anger over Wall St.'s role in the financial crash. Hell, the better example would have been the demonstrations against intervention in Syria following the gas attacks.
Because it's not about being anti-war/anti-Muslim. It's about being anti-Trump. You have to understand it that way.
Clinton didn't get in. Soros lost tens of millions the moment Trump got elected. Clinton is Soros' puppet. She would have done whatever he wanted. She's a war monger. She would have plunged the country planet into WWIII w/Russia and China, which would have made Soros a LOOOOT of money arming, supplying, aiding, and abetting both sides every side.
Trump beat her, so now Soros be like... and is doing everything he can to simply take him the fuck down and out in the hopes of putting someone else in.
Soros wants him out so bad that he's willing to take five steps back (funding women's marches and the type of protests that claim to be against what he otherwise finances - i.e. war) just to take ten steps forward (making the individual who's putting a big ass wrench in his total war machine look horrible in the eyes of the generally ignorant public and replacing him - i.e. Trump).
Obama didn't ban green card and visa holders though. In addition, why is refusing refugees even on the same level as bombing ISIS?
Nobody cared about the refugees Obama abandoned. They sure as hell arent complaining about the MANY countries with far more oppressive immigration laws at this very moment. Now that its Muslims though, suddenly everyone is up in arms. Almost like someone was telling them what to think...
Should Obama have halted all bombing of ISIS?
You assume we were just bombing ISIS. Doctors without borders is probably one of many who would argue with you.
I don't understand why this is such a pressing issue. The logic:
It was fucked up back then, no one cared.
It happened again, and its fucked up. Everyone cares.
Wait, no one cared the first time, lets go on about how they should have cared instead of caring that it happened again!
Yeah I can't take anyone who whines about this seriously. Like are you aware of the amount of bombs Obama dropped on them? I guess murder is preferable to stricter immigration laws?
The 7 countries that have travel restrictions and bans in place are the same 7 that aren't controlled by a Rothschild central bank. General Wesley Clark lays it all out here
The problem with this logic is it lumps together "them." Bombings are, ideally, targeted to hit militant/terrorist groups. The same groups the refugees are fleeing.
...Well...if it's "our" government, then we elected them. I know we really didn't, but we need to put them in check if they're doing shit in our name that we don't agree with (and they most certainly are). We don't and we haven't been doing that, so a lot of the blood that they spill does in fact end up being in our name. Many of us don't like to admit that and we say "I didn't vote for these assholes!" and I get that. I didn't vote for them either. However, they are doing this shit in our name and we're not doing nearly enough to stop them from doing it in our name...so in a certain sense, part of the reason our communities have to pick up the pieces is because our communities are at least in part responsible for allowing this piece of shit government to continue wreaking havoc on a global scale...in our name.
150% disagree with the "in our name" part. It is in no way shape or form a government run for the people by the people, it is in the name of an abstract concept of "America" that a large number of citizens don't even sympathize with. It is not in our name at all. Fuck outta here telling me that I'm responsible for these war mongers. Even if I vote against them, it's still rigged and I'm never even given a solid lot to choose from. It's not in our name, it's being done without our consent, and then in turn hurting our communities after we destroy theirs.
Of course. Doesn’t matter though. It is in fact in your name to everyone else that isn’t you and who’s not an American and who looks at what your and my and our country is doing “in our name”.
I certainly don’t agree w/what the U.S. is doing by far. Am I a U.S. citizen, however? Yes. Could I fault any foreigner for saying ”Your government sucks?” No. Not really.
It is in no way shape or form a government run for the people by the people
Correct. Absolutely so. What I said above still applies, however.
We can’t selectively take advantage of the benefits that a country provides and then disassociate ourselves from it when they do something we don’t like or agree with.
it is in the name of an abstract concept of "America" that a large number of citizens don't even sympathize with.
Also don’t disagree with that either.
It is not in our name at all.
So then we need to come together and stop letting it tell the world it represents us. We need to come together and STOP it from representing “our will” to the rest of the world.
Fuck outta here telling me that I'm responsible for these war mongers.
Fuck outta here being so naive as to think you’re not.
Even if I vote against them, it's still rigged and I'm never even given a solid lot to choose from.
If you think your voting is what you need to do to make a difference, then you’re doing it way wrong.
It's not in our name, it's being done without our consent, and then in turn hurting our communities after we destroy theirs.
I don’t think you really realize how you’re contradicting yourself without even knowing you’re doing it.
If “we” are destroying “theirs”…then it is in our name, and it is us.
Perhaps you should re-direct your anger at something more constructive than thinking there’s no way anything you do as a U.S. citizen supports and upholds this war-mongering country we live in and are part of.
I don’t think you really realize how you’re contradicting yourself without even knowing you’re doing it.
If “we” are destroying “theirs”…then it is in our name, and it is us.
Perhaps you should re-direct your anger at something more constructive than thinking there’s no way anything you do as a U.S. citizen supports and upholds this war-mongering country we live in and are part of.
If I own some slaves, and then I go slaughter an innocent child one day... are the slaves now the murderers? Think about the logic behind saying that it "is us". It's a government that exists within the confines of the same geographic location that I am involved in, and am at times extorted by through taxes. If the Mafia comes to my business and makes me pay taxes, then they wack someone who was well liked by the community, am I now somehow responsible?
If by choosing to accept extortion of a portion of my salary, some which funds wars, over jail time is supporting and upholding the war machine, then sure. But it's a catch 22 that I don't see a solution to.
If I own some slaves, and then I go slaughter an innocent child one day... are the slaves now the murderers?
If they aid and abet you and make your practices possible and without them you wouldn’t have been able to do what you did? Then they’re accomplices. If they give you money and support you, they’re going to prison as well.
Think about the logic behind saying that it "is us".
I am. I very much am. This is why I’ve said what I’ve said.
It's a government that exists within the confines of the same geographic location that I am involved in, and am at times extorted by through taxes
And you do it - among many other things for them. We all do - or at least most of us do.
It’s important to recognize that we’re not victims to anywhere near as great an extent as we might like to think we are.
If the Mafia comes to my business and makes me pay protection money, then they wack someone who was well liked by the community, am I now somehow responsible?
If they take the money you pay them, whack somebody, take that murdered person’s money, cut you in on a piece of the booty they made from that job, and you subsequently end up living a comparatively affluent lifestyle because of it? and you then start getting kind of used to that comparatively affluent lifestyle and start having less and less of a problem with that “protection money” you now keep giving them?
Then yeah. You’re an accomplice. You might not be the one pulling the trigger, but you’re aiding and abetting and making the crime possible.
That's a good point, and I understand it, but you simply cannot shift the entire blame upon this other force entirely.
What I'm saying is that the citizenry need to all stand up and be wiling to be the fucking frog.
When we all become willing to come together and work toward our collective liberation and become willing to all "be the frog" to make that collective liberation happen, then I can almost guarantee you that there will be no more storks attempting to take advantage of us and use us as their fodder - because there are more of us than them and, collectively, we are far more powerful than they are. Until we are ready and willing to do that, however, the storks will continue to use us as the fuel they need to power their war machines of hate and deceit and murder.
And yes. We are indeed the fuel for that machine. This has been my main point all along.
We are the fuel. YOU are the fuel. I am the fuel. Even if we say "Sheeit. It ain't my war machine." it's still happening in our name and on our dime and it's still using our work and our effort and our fuel to power it...so yeah. It's ours. We keep it alive.
All the points you make are valid...but, unfortunately, so are mine.
And actually, I'm currently not paying any taxes, simply living off of them and others so... It's not MY war machine at all hahaha. But I do get where you're coming from.
If you're mooching off someone else and you make no money of your own, then that's one thing. Of course you're not paying any taxes if you're not making any money. That's not what I'm talking about, however, because that's basically the life of every non-adult who still lives with their parents.
If you are making money and are getting checks written to you and are having W2s come in and you have a car and a house/apartment and are having to financially take care of yourself independent of anyone else and you make payments for all those things, etc, and you're still not paying taxes under those particular types of circumstances?
Then you'll likely soon be responding to these posts from prison.
Nothing to "hahaha" about.
That said, a large portion of the taxes we pay are, as you mentioned before, extortion, so we shouldn't in fact be paying them.
Imperial policy is to distract with a false sense of freedoms at home while enslaving overseas. Distract from the myth at home that new-liberals must tell themselves to sleep at night and the world goes crazy. They are unable to process the truth about the national security complex, drone assassinations, and the violations of the Constitution and the CIA's charter. The hardest thing to do is actually look in the mirror.
I wasn't inditing political spectrum liberals. Neo-liberalism is the philosophical break from traditional of the Age of Enlightenment to the benighted benevolent belief in benevolent Laissez-faire capitalism as the panacea for society's ills. Both parties engage in that bit of intellectual sophism in fact it is at the core of our uneasy post Cold-War political truce.
Just saw this thread, thanks. I was going to write something for my very politically correct friends who are going off about Trumps ban - yet I never saw one of them question the bombing of middle eastern women and children based on lies.
Uh...This is the exact same video that's in the OP, broseph. Apparently all you did was read the OP title and decided to comment with the link you sent. And that's cool. I understand that. I often simply read the title only and comment without bothering to read the title subtext.
However, A) the OP title subtext is literally ONE sentence. It's not like it was a wall of text. You could have read that. Also, B) if you would have read that short sentence in the OP subtext...then you might not have commented by posting THE EXACT SAME VIDEO that is actually already in the subtext of the OP itself. lol.
All good though.
Shows that we're at least both on the same page. :)
Don't just click on the title though. Click on the little box underneath the title. That shows the title's subtext, and in that subtext, you'll find a link to the very video you linked above.
Israel isn't publicly known for it's citizens committing terrorist acts across the globe
Interesting you chose the word "citizens". No, but it's not citizens, (hilarious omission though!) it's the Mossad, and other dogs of terrorism they use the world over.
Yes, I have even taken part in that silly game myself. I was no fan of Obama, even though I voted for him twice. But I often felt compelled to defend him because alot of the criticism was not valid or just plain silly. He is coming for your guns by staging school shootings, hes a closet muslim that will impose sharia. My boss at work told me racism didnt exist anymore, except Obama is racist against white people. Meanwhile Im still waiting for our troops to come home, the wars to end, and the bombs to stop dropping.
If by choosing to accept extortion of a portion of my salary, some which funds wars, over jail time is supporting and upholding the war machine, then sure. But it's a catch 22 that I don't see a solution to.
If I own some slaves, and then I go slaughter an innocent child one day... are the slaves now the murderers?
If they aid and abet you and make your practices possible and without them you wouldn’t have been able to do what you did? Then they’re accomplices. If they give you money and support you, they’re going to prison as well.
Think about the logic behind saying that it "is us".
I am. I very much am. This is why I’ve said what I’ve said.
It's a government that exists within the confines of the same geographic location that I am involved in, and am at times extorted by through taxes
And you do it - among many other things for them. We all do - or at least most of us do.
It’s important to recognize that we’re not victims to anywhere near as great an extent as we might like to think we are.
If the Mafia comes to my business and makes me pay protection money, then they wack someone who was well liked by the community, am I now somehow responsible?
If they take the money you pay them, whack somebody, take that murdered person’s money, cut you in on a piece of the booty they made from that job, and you subsequently end up living a comparatively affluent lifestyle because of it? and you then start getting kind of used to that comparatively affluent lifestyle and start having less and less of a problem with that “protection money” you now keep giving them?
Then yeah. You’re an accomplice. You might not be the one pulling the trigger, but you’re aiding and abetting and making the crime possible.
I don't understand why this is such a pressing issue. The logic:
It was fucked up back then, no one cared.
It happened again, and its fucked up. Everyone cares.
Wait, no one cared the first time, lets go on about how they should have cared instead of caring that it happened again!
Cool. Will totally be in there soon as I get to the message. Apparently my in box has blown up a little for some reason. I have more messages than usual, so I’m gonna sift through them. Will totally mod and sub it.
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n/a armchairCueB 2017-01-31
Love his show.
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
I'd like to know why Israel isn't on the ban list? They are the biggest terrorists the world has ever seen.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
^ Boom. ftw.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
The list of 7 countries was compiled by the Obama administration so you might want to ask them
n/a Mininni 2017-01-31
7 countries they scrutinized more during immigration process, never blocked anybody
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
That's why we have our new President
n/a Mininni 2017-01-31
When you're prioritizing any religion except Muslims in those countries, I'd say it's pretty damn close to a Muslim ban.
What terror has these countries that have been banned committed?
Why not Saudi Arabia? Is it because it would go against Donald's business interests?
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Saudi Arabia supplies ~9% of US oil. You think maybe JUST MAYBE the fast tracking of US pipelines has anything to do with that?
n/a trumpetspieler 2017-01-31
So we're walking on eggshells around our UAE masters until we get to import that expensive as shit Canadian tar sand oil and free ourselves forever from Saudi slavery? Our relationship with Saudi Arabia goes far deeper than just buying oil, they're the proxy for arming terrorists with US weapons from Syria to fucking Kyrgyzstan. Without Saudi help the US would lose valuable leverage in the new phoenix program (i.e. any rebranding of Al Qaeda currently destabilizing countries with terror attacks).
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Can't disagree at all. But I don't think President Trump going to continue arming terrorists. His most valuable relationship right now IMO is Tulsi Gabbard. The real conundrum is how to redpill the rabid liberals with the knowledge that their dieties were busy arming terroridts.
n/a DawnPendraig 2017-01-31
Start here with Ben Swann's ISIS report
n/a nullsignature 2017-01-31
Andrew Liveris, the CEO of Dow Chemical, is on Trump's manufacturing council. Guess who just finished a $20 billion joint venture with Saudi Aramco in Saudi Arabia?
Google "Sadara" to find out.
n/a The_EA_Nazi 2017-01-31
Preposterous, trump is our Lord and savior and above all criticism otherwise you are a shill, don't you know that? /s
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
Do you think Dear Leader would let something silly like money affect his decision making?
n/a Bisuboy 2017-01-31
Obama's administration probably selected these 7 countries because they have such a high level of instability that the government doesn't have any amount of control over a significant portion of their citizens. As a result, it is impossible to screen the people that come in. A refugee from all of these countries (except for Iran) could as well be a guy who beheaded 50 people and we would have no way to know.
Why would Saudi-Arabia be included in the list? The SA government is the government on this planet I'd like to see deposed the most, but it is a fact that SA is probably the most stable country in the region. If anyone dared to support ISIS there, he would immediately be thrown into a dungeon and get tortured.
n/a moparornocar 2017-01-31
IIRC wasnt that 7 countries that were removed from the Visa Waiver program, not stopped entirely from immigrating to the states?
n/a 0zymandeus 2017-01-31
Yep.
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
No. They removed Lebanon and added Yemen.
n/a Beanthatlifts 2017-01-31
I don't follow closely. How do you know the list is from the Obama administration?
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
These seven nations were not chosen at random. They were all singled out as exceptional security risks in the Terrorist Prevention Act of 2015 and its 2016 extension. In fact, President Trump’s orderdoes not even name the seven countries. It merely refers to the sections of U.S. Code that were changed by the Terrorist Prevention Act:
n/a Beanthatlifts 2017-01-31
Cool, thanks. Any plans on after the 90 days?
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Not sure but here is where I got my info.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/01/30/7-nations-named-trump-executive-order-security-nightmares
I didn't read much Breitbart throughout the last several months but lately I've read a few articles. This one seems reasonable and not sensational in its arguments.
n/a thisissomebull4sure 2017-01-31
It's also all laid out on Hannity.
http://m.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/hannity-dems-gamble-with-american-lives-15521288/
n/a yaosio 2017-01-31
They'll be moving to illegally targeting Muslims living in the US next.
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
It's not the same list.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Yes, it is.
n/a Reltius 2017-01-31
He signed it but to say his administration compiled the list is a bit of a stretch. This was attached to the omnibus bill in congress.
It also happens to be the same list General Wesley Clark warned us we'd be invading next 13 years ago.
n/a littleblueanarchist 2017-01-31
no, the list is 100% obama's. the countries named in the act are only iraq and iran, it was obama's DHS that added the rest.
I've posted the links to both the 2015 law and the DHS policy on this morning. i'm on my phone now, but search my history, if you'd like to read them, you'll find them.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
Who cares, he didn't use it for this purpose. If you're going to ban immigration, make your own fucking list based on your own criteria to suit your goal
n/a forexampleJohn 2017-01-31
I agree, and besides, why should it be better if it was Obama's list? We want a break for the status quo, not a continuation of it, that's the whole point of Trump.
n/a FuckM0ds 2017-01-31
It was attached as a rider to a government funding bill pushed by a Republican Congress. Either it was pass it or cause a government shutdown. Don't let facts get in the way of your narrative though.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
My narrative? It happened under his administration that's a fact. Is also fact that if the travel ban was a Muslim ban it would include the countries I mentioned. But sure you can continue to live in a world where just saying someone is wrong is enough to convince at least some people who share your opinions and don't care to listen to both sides.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
That list wasn't used for this purpose. Why didn't the administration make their own fucking list? Is it so they can say "but Obama"
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
That's exactly the reason. Notice how the exact same talking points were spread quickly by the Trump supporters.
Someone is feeding them with propaganda snippets. Same happened with "pissgate is a 4chan hoax".
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
It's totally a Muslims ban. He announced it during his campaign and Giuliani confirmed it.
It the best Trump dared to do since issuing an EO saying "No more Muslims" would have been even worse and hardly enforcable anyway.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Did you even read the EO?
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
Why did Trump call it a ban if it's not a ban?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/826060143825666051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
It's not a "Muslim" ban
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
Trump called it one during the campaign. Giuliani confirmed. His followers call it one as well.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/trump-immigration-ban-syria-muslims-reaction-lawsuits
n/a ChulaK 2017-01-31
Wasn't it called a Muslim ban because it gave those prosecuted minority Christians a priority?
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
I have no idea why it was called a Muslim ban and honestly I don't care to know the reasoning of rabid liberals it gives me cancer.
Search in page: Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Islam....0 results
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states
n/a ChulaK 2017-01-31
Yeah no idea as well. Mom loves blasting MSNBC all day and they keep reiterating that Saudi wasn't included in the list because Trump has business deals there, except it wasn't even Trumps list. Even being a democrat myself it's sad to see misinformation being played on both sides.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
Fuck MSNBC...https://www.google.com/amp/www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-taps-gorsuch-supreme-court-initiating-historic-fight
Gorsuch was a fantastic pick they are just delusional at this point.
n/a Chibibaki 2017-01-31
Which is ironic, because Trumps "Muslim Ban" effects then far less than the defacto christian ban of the Obama admin which assured they would stay under more oppressive conditions than the "refugees". Nobody gave a crap about the Christians, as their genocide was well underway in the middle east.
n/a yaosio 2017-01-31
Trump's a big boy, he can pick any country he wants. He doesn't need to blame Obama for all of his decisions.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-01-31
It's not blame. It's reality. Read the Executive Order.
n/a herefromyoutube 2017-01-31
Agreed. And they put fucking iran on the list. Guess we're still piss they told us to fuck off when we tried to 'take their oil' for U.K. corps.
n/a 2many2Toss 2017-01-31
Fuck that, why isn't SAUDI ARABIA on the list? If you're trying to stop terrorists from entering the United States, shouldn't the country that supplied 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 be, like, the very top of the list?
The same country that beheads women in public?
Now why might the Obama administration omit them from the list? I'm sure it has nothing to do with oil, or all those millions of dollars they donated to the Clinton foundation.
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
FTFY
n/a EricCarver 2017-01-31
Saudi Arabia is key to the success of the petro dollar. You will never see Saudi Arabia on any negative list.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
And why didn't this admin add them to this list? A list being used for a purpose other then it's original intent
n/a petedacook 2017-01-31
While I am concerned with Trump's favoritism to Israel, which coupled with what seems like dislike of Muslims, is unsettling . omitting Israel has nothing to do with that. Israel isn't publicly known for it's citizens committing terrorist acts across the globe, and the list is just an inhereited list from previous admin.
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
Interesting you chose the word "citizens". No, but it's not citizens, (hilarious omission though!) it's the Mossad, and other dogs of terrorism they use the world over.
n/a petedacook 2017-01-31
Dude, your average Trump hating, HIllary loving, blue haired liberal dumass isn't going to know anything about any negative action done on the part of Israel, or by an Israeli.
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
...and you're here to make sure of that, eh?
n/a petedacook 2017-01-31
No.
I am making a response appropriate to the content I am responding to.
Syrians have committed terrorist acts in the US as recent as November 2016. Syria was banned. It makes sense in speaking to a ban on national origin to refer to Israel in the sense of national origin.
If your so concerned about everyone's education of the atrocities of Israel, why don't you start creating posts about it and stop over-analyzing random comments that have nothing to do with educating a faceless interest about Israel's murders.
n/a Chibibaki 2017-01-31
Syria has a long and sad history with terrorists coming from their country. But state sponsorship is another matter. While I agree Syria is a troublesome player in the world of terrorism I dont know exactly how best to address it.
n/a richaf11 2017-01-31
its a list of seven countries that are israels biggest enemies in the middle east so of course we are at war with all of them
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
YES!
n/a Orc_ 2017-01-31
Because we won't ban people based on your stupid conspiracy theories, no israeli has ever done an act of terror in US soil.
SMH....
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
9/11 was an act of terror perpetrated by zionist Israelis, to bring about the never-ending war on terror. As I said, Israeli's are the world's biggest terrorists.
n/a Orc_ 2017-01-31
No it was not...
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
It is difficult to accept the ugly truth that the Bush administration worked with Israeli intelligence to murder americans. It's time you faced the fact that human life means nothing to those that rule us. Protecting Israel by destroying its enemies and keeping the military industrial complex going is all that matters to them.
n/a Orc_ 2017-01-31
How is that a truth at all? Are you insane? Next people going to go "DA TRUF IS REPTILIANS DID IT"
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
I am quite sane. If you still believe the official story after 15 years in the information age, you are literally the crazy one here. Physics alone prove controlled demolition. How's about you just go ahead and read something? If you don't think those with power and wealth want to keep their power and wealth, there is no hope for you, dolt.
n/a Orc_ 2017-01-31
You jumping from the conclusion that it's a false flag to - jews did it!
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
No. It was pretty clear over ten years ago. You've had your head someplace else though.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
Says clenched buttocks. I've learned never trust claims from someone as confident as you
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
I never asked anyone to trust me. I simply state what I believe.
Don't look into 9/11 for yourself, and don't ever believe anything except what they tell you on the TV. My buttocks are clenched because I know we are all fucked.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
I've looked superficially. The theories assume massive competence and secrecy on scales I find hard to believe, as you can't find any evidence of the govt being capable of that
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
https://youtu.be/8DOnAn_PX6M
n/a OptionalZebra 2017-01-31
Wow. That's absolutely brilliant.
n/a heymikeyp 2017-01-31
It's freaking 7 countries with significant ties to terrorist organizations (with other countries possibly being added later). Why the fuck can't people understand this yet?
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
Like ISIS? The "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service"?
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
Oh is that why they picked that name? A little hint for the woke
n/a FuckM0ds 2017-01-31
because of religion. The only reason that country is relevant.
n/a DNCsucks 2017-01-31
The gov but not the people.
n/a Kim_Joong_Il 2017-01-31
I'd like to know why americans are allowed into any other country.
n/a Chibibaki 2017-01-31
By what definition do you consider Israel a terrorist nation?
n/a murbil 2017-01-31
its more efficient, we dont have the resources necessary to send individuals over there to oppress and beat the shit out of them one by one yet. our authorities are way over-extended already just trying to beat the shit out of us.
n/a greetingearthlings 2017-01-31
The irony and hypocrisy are true, but that doesn't make the ban good.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Agreed. I literally just posted this response here which I think responds well enough to your comment.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-01-31
Why? We should ban all immigration from all countries for the next ~10-20 years.
n/a The_EA_Nazi 2017-01-31
Why? Aren't like 70% of terrorist attacks and mass shootings committed by natural born citizens and not immigrants?
The stats don't back up the ban, at the very least, ban the shut hole that is Saudi Arabia since they you know, actually sponsor and fund most terrorist groups and are disgusting
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-01-31
That's why I said ban them all.
n/a crystalhour 2017-01-31
If we did ban all countries it would be less of an issue morally, but also untenable because rich people want to have the freedom to migrate and bring family and friends, etc. The seven countries banned were all the poor ones. Which is the real purpose. And hey, if reactionary bitches would admit that, I suppose I'd have less of a problem with it. But if you pretend it had anything to do with Muslims, you're just as bad as the liberals under Obama have been for the last eight years. Intellectual and moral cowards, lazy and liars. Which is of course true for those who support Trump, just as it was for Obama's supporters.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-01-31
How many times do I have to repeat myself? Ban. Everyone. From. All. Countries. All immigration into the US. Rich or poor, you're not getting in, until we fix our shit for our citizens already here.
n/a crystalhour 2017-01-31
I mean you don't really have to repeat yourself at all, because nobody's listening, particularly anyone who's dictating policy.
But I think you know, or should, that nothing's going to be 'fixed' ever again. The species is undergoing a revolution that will render these arguments moot before we get anything sorted. Technology is largely responsible for the current strife, from the ease with which we can annihilate civilians in far off lands, to the technology used to surveill and select targets. You know Trump's supporters would never stop short of extermination of their enemies if they could get away with it. And after that they will select new enemies, because the killing is about profit. And the supporters will say "no immigrants until we exterminate this next group of vermin." And so on, ad infinitum.
Unless he were stopped. Which would lead to the permanent crushing of the Republicans. Either way success leads to failure, because the American dream was killed by the deep state, and we're watching the death rattle of two competing parties who don't know they're dead.
n/a ShowHerMyOFace 2017-01-31
Part of the solution is allowing rich immigrants in. You don't want their tax dollars to help fund our government?
n/a yaosio 2017-01-31
Anybody could be a terrorist, we should expell all people in the US.
n/a 14andSoBrave 2017-01-31
Probably one of the more ignorant statements I've seen since I woke up today.
I'd trust an immigrant more than a natural citizen.
They go through a vetting process. You, you just were shit out here on the lawn.
So why should I trust you at all? You're more likely to be the reason the country falls.
n/a Moose321 2017-01-31
A restricted policy goes against NWO/Globalist mantras so regardless of its morality standing I'm ok with it.
Meaning it slows down their world gov. agenda so fuck them.
n/a sixsexsix 2017-01-31
What makes it bad?
n/a greetingearthlings 2017-01-31
It makes the US look bad in the eyes of the world, it was terribly implemented and ended up hurting normal families but probably no terrorists. And it's really unnecessary.
n/a Deplorableasfuk 2017-01-31
That was my point about Obama letting Gitmo terrorists out. Just put them back on the battlefield and drone the F outta them. Problem solved.
n/a PLZDONTBANMEAGAIN 2017-01-31
That probably happend in some instances
n/a Deplorableasfuk 2017-01-31
lets hope
n/a xBigDx 2017-01-31
F yah murica!
n/a horoblast 2017-01-31
Crying about some people being inconvenienced and being hold up for a few hours, about some people having to request the US immigration services to review their case to make sure they're not a terrorist = heroic act to the left.
Drone striking them after "your" candidate received a world peace prize for 8 years? No problem bro.
n/a novareddit2000 2017-01-31
Trump was responsible for 30 civilian deaths yesterday including an 8 year old girl
He literally said we should murder the families of suspected terrorists
Irony indeed
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
If that's true, then it looks like he'll fit right in as U.S. president and is off to a good start in the area of wreaking the same kind of havoc upon the planet in the name of 'Murkkka that all the other shite presidents before him did.
smh
n/a novareddit2000 2017-01-31
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-military-attack-yemen-civilians-women-children-dead-a7553121.html
we already killed Alwaki and his son a few years ago, his 8 year old daughter was among the dead in this strike. It certainly seems Trump is following through with his pledge to take out families of terrorists
It was boots on the ground, wiping out all occupants in the building too, not just bombs with collateral damage
n/a Rezasaurus 2017-01-31
The ban is shit... first of all, it is not a "Muslim Ban". I am Muslim (well born one) and I am not banned from America. I think this is his way of checking off the "Ban Muslims from America" claim he campaigned about this is just a way to appease his supporters with his "first 100 days" BS.
Also, i don't agree with bombing these nations. if we bomb em, we should help them. you don't want them in your fucking country, stop bombing them !
n/a destraht 2017-01-31
IMO the only thing worse than bombing them is bombing them and then inviting them into the country that bombed them. So dumb.
n/a nickeberle 2017-01-31
Why should we help them if we really think they are so bad that we are justified in killing thousands of people without trial. Why would you then let the cousin of the man you murdered into your country? The whole thing is fucked but a travel ban is nothing compared to the shit we have been doing.
n/a kingpen_1 2017-01-31
Liberals don't see it.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Don't put a label on it.
Citizens don't see it - and the reasons citizens don't see it is because tptb have managed to get so many people on every side of whatever political spectrum exists believing in these manufacturing divisions that completely cloud the issue and obscure the fact that there are powerful, corporate, multinational forces synthetically orchestrating people's perspectives in such a manner that keeps the population divided, confused, ignorant, and thoroughly conquered.
Humans don't see it.
n/a tatertatertatertot 2017-01-31
"Democrats are hypocrites, therefore Trump is right" doesn't make much sense, though.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Of course. Absolutely agree. There is no "if not A, then it has to be B" logic going on here, however. Certainly not from me anyway, and I think anyone thinking like that is doing it way wrong.
Both sides are pretty damn fucked up.
n/a dlandis13 2017-01-31
I also heard on NPR today that the reason these 7 were picked has to do with their ability to vet as a whole. Apparently Syrian credentials are just being handed out, like no one has proper ID. Someone walks up and says they are some person, and there is no way to verify it because the village they came from is gone. Not saying it's right or wrong, just haven't heard that being brought up as an explanation. Apparently Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. have a process in place that meets whatever arbitrary standards they deemed necessary. Convenient excuse, but I think valid nonetheless. Anyone care to enlighten me on why this is not the case?
n/a bitcoin_noob 2017-01-31
The Obama administration identified the risky countries, Trump just used that list.
n/a dlandis13 2017-01-31
Yea but I'm more talking about why certain countries were on the list in the first place.
n/a know_comment 2017-01-31
It's called the "path to persia" and is the list of first 6 countries which have to be overthrown to create the terrorist militia which can take down Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
Why do we need to take them out? So they don't unify the middle east and africa in some modern islamic ottoman empire which would ally with Asiatic Russian who is working to form intimate relationships via trading and energy dependency in the "World Island" (Eastern Europe+ Germany/ France/ Italy/ Greece) - which would threaten the Atlanticist (UK/ US) empire for control of the World Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington#.22The_Clash_of_Civilizations.22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Stream
n/a Grizzled_Veteran 2017-01-31
Thank you for posting.
n/a FuckWadSupreme 2017-01-31
Holy shit, I think he nailed it.
n/a JoshuaRyneGoldberg 2017-01-31
NPR is owned by Koch brothers now, or whatever elitist corp. Sad, NPR used to be so good.
n/a dlandis13 2017-01-31
It's still awesome for non-political news and interest pieces.
n/a spicy_centipede_roll 2017-01-31
I had to stop listening during the Dem primaries when they got all 'Hillary is so popular and so awesome and everybody loves her and sure, there's a primary going on, but never mind that other guy!' Bought and paid for shilling.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
We have protested Obama's use of drones etc. This is bullshit. You are redirecting.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Who is this mythical "we" you speak of? Do you mean citizens? Hmm. I'm gonna say "No. Not really." to that.
And I'm "redirecting"? Redirecting from what? The fact is that the U.S. very much is bombing the shit out of Muslim countries and that is in fact why there are so many Muslim immigrants going in to so many different parts of the world.
Me thinks you have no argument. At all.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/27/anti-drone-activists-protest-obama
Im sorry you have selective memory. Before you talk shit look it up for yourself next time. You are making excuses for Trumps misguided ban by incorrectly saying nobody cared when Obama was dropping bombs. People, US citizens, protested that shit too. Pull this stupid fucking post down
n/a JonathonFlowers 2017-01-31
Just as Hillary was used to excuse Trump's obvious negatives as a candidate Obama is being used to excuse Trump's flaws as president. It's easy to see how these mind games encourage people to accept less and less from their politicians.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
Yes, I have even taken part in that silly game myself. I was no fan of Obama, even though I voted for him twice. But I often felt compelled to defend him because alot of the criticism was not valid or just plain silly. He is coming for your guns by staging school shootings, hes a closet muslim that will impose sharia. My boss at work told me racism didnt exist anymore, except Obama is racist against white people. Meanwhile Im still waiting for our troops to come home, the wars to end, and the bombs to stop dropping.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Yeah. And this supposed protest against the bombing got how much MSM time? Did it get as much MSM time as the current "ban on Muslims" is getting?
Na. Didn't think so - which still proves Dore's very point.
And absolutely, man. You're right. I'm gonna pull this post right down. Right away. Here you go, buddy. Pull on this.
n/a grovulent 2017-01-31
Do you really believe that the provision of this one link actually answers the accusation of hypocrisy?
1) Compare the size of the protests. The anti-drone protests were tiny. Minuscule in comparison to the immigration protests. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8diQyIKjh0 https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/01/a-weekend-of-protest-against-trumps-immigration-ban/514953/
2) compare the media coverage of the protests. There was hardly any for the anti-drone activists. Do a google search.
3) Compare the tone of language used to describe Obama vs Trump. Obama used executive power to MURDER innocent people without trial - US citizens. Trump used it to deny ingress to the country. It's obvious that Obama's actions are morally WAY worse. Murder is - last I checked - pretty much one of the worst things you can do. A murder victim has no recourse. And yet - it's Trump who is being described consistently as a Fascist that is destroying the democratic institutions that govern the country. Obama is never talked about in those terms.
4) Finally - the hypocrisy of Liberals doesn't justify Trump's policies - but it does undermine liberalism as a genuine and viable political alternative. Since - if someone like Hillary and Obama is the alternative - then we are still getting murderous a-holes that like bvpassing congress and centralising executive power - and using that power to do horrible, horrible things.
This failure of liberalism to present itself as a genuine alternative politically strengthens Trump. Thus the hypocrisy absolutely needs to be challenged. Yet folks like yourself absolutely refuse to engage in any critical scrutiny in this respect whatsoever. You find one link on the internet and think that satisfies any decent amount of due-diligence - and then don't hesitate to insult and belittle those who offer this criticism.
So folks like myself who fucking hate Trump are livid at liberals like yourself who are creating a political reality that practically hands power to Trump on a platter.
And the biggest irony of them all is that the only thing you really need to do in response to this is just say: well - you know, fuck - we really should have been tougher on Obama for that. And with that simple response you present liberalism as a consistent and authentic alternative that anyone with a conscience could get behind. But nope. That's too much for some reason.
Gives me a sad. It really does.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
You are really running circles to blame liberals and liberalism. You know damn well the president Mccain or president Romney would have kept dropping bombs just like Obama. We did have a very viable option in Bernie, but people like you that like to use words as scare tactics, words like liberalism, socialism, scared people off.
Don't you dare blame me for Trump.
I have said that we should have been tougher on Obama, the problem being I was to busy defending him from bullshit attacks, hes a muslim, he wasn't born here, etc. I believe it was in this thread. So you have no excuse for not getting behind liberalism, except that you were full of it when you wrote your last paragraph.
n/a grovulent 2017-01-31
Before you get all huffy about being blamed for Trump - remember where this conversation started: with you trying to pretend on the flimsiest and most lazy pretense of evidence that there was no liberal hypocrisy at all.
Did you address my criticism of your original claim at all? Of course you didn't. And without doing that due diligence - you still want to reject what is an obvious consequence of that hypocrisy: that people would come to lose faith in liberalism and turn to that which would punish liberals for that hypocrisy.
Well - you haven't at all defended your claim that this hypocrisy is real. Do you manage then at least to challenge the logical connection I make between that hypocrisy and Trump's rise?
Yep - they are just as responsible. More so - in a way - since it was their party that provided the vector for Trump's nomination. But I'm not having a conversation with a republican neo-con. I'm having a conversation with you. So my opportunity here is to promote your growth as a human being. When I get an opportunity with one of them - I assure you I'll go for it.
Secondly - conservative failure does nothing to absolve liberals of their share of the blame.
Actually - Bernie came out in support of the use of drones. But beyond that he was very scant on detail when it came to foreign policy. I really don't know if he would have been better than the status quo on the issue of bombing people.
Besides that - wasn't it democratic voters (i.e. supposed liberals) that didn't vote for him enough in the primaries? Either that or he was fucked over by the DNC (i.e. more supposed liberals).
So yeah - umm... why aren't you more angry at liberals for this?
Perhaps you'd like to judge me on the basis of what I've contributed to this conversation - rather than just assuming? I can assure you - my judgements of you are based entirely on what you've said here and nothing more.
Well good for you - genuine kudos. And I mean that sincerely. But it's a pity you ruin this admission with the excuse that you give immediately following:
This is such a bizarre excuse. So imagine there is a guy on trial for mass murder. You're in the jury - responsible for determining his guilt or innocence. You actually think he's guilty. But then you overhear one of the other jurors accuse him of being something dumb - I dunno... a Vishnu worshipper. And this juror sure can't stand the sight of Vishnu worshipers and won't shut up about it.
Do you think it makes ANY sense in that context for you to defend this guy against the heinous charge of Vishnu worshiping? That would be as mad as the person who was obsessed about the question of his Vishnu worshiping in the first place. You think he's guilty of mass murder. Why on earth would you care that someone had accused him of this dumb accusation? Why would you spend energy defending him?
That's the weirdest excuse from an Obama supporter I've ever heard.
I personally do believe in liberalism. There just aren't many people around who seem to genuinely embody it.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
keep spinning them circles, are you dizzy yet? You have not contributed anything to this conversation, you are further muddying it. Im living in the now, not the past. see ya
n/a grovulent 2017-01-31
Let me know when you develop the intellectual integrity required to provide an actual argument for your views.
n/a know_comment 2017-01-31
He's talking about the democratic establishment and those who seem to follow it. Chuck Schumer is leading the minority right now, and he's an israeli warmonger with zero moral authority.
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
i think my brother has been listening to jimmy dore ;0
have you seen this [off topic but my newest pic of the week]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnQUZ_7ABBo
i love how he speaks!
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
As above, so below. Indeed. Thanks for the vid.
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
im still working on this one but these is a part two
tell me how much fun this guys rap is ....but he does have alot of knowledge
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
ps part 2 is not as good as part one so back to your buddy santos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xaYww5M_TM <--i think he is gonna set the astrology wheel i m already taking notes
the sun is psychic who knew ?
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Yeah. Existence is holographic, which means identity and intelligence is holographic as well - which, in turn, means that the personal consciousness we think is so unique to humans...is not really all that unique at all.
Many things (if not all things really) have consciousness. It's just often a consciousness that functions on a wavelength or a vibration that we're not really equipped to properly interpret as such.
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
i woke up with this very thought in mind
i am starting to understand this i m watching the astrology one really slowly cuz there is just such a reveal within that for me....
namaste my brother ty for being so smart and generously sharing it with me <3
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
We are each other.
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
i am beginning to realize this my brother my [self] ;0
your sharing with me is enlightening for me ... i hope you realize this
it only dawned on me this morning how significant a psychic SUN is
only my MOON has been a psychic entity to me up until today's mediation
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Very glad our knowledge is evolving. In our sharing, we grow. :)
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
i know its really exciting cuz i just know i am verging on some kinda epiphany!
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
<3
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
<3
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
you really are a blue blood ;0
n/a chickyrogue 2017-01-31
My brother
ive invited you to mod at a new sub
please join its gonna be alot of free thinking and no censorship at all
your energy is so potent and gifted you would be so welcomed there
the creator of the sub really gave me great insight into a deep connection within myself which i am still just incorporating but bein as so significant to me i was hoping you could have a similar experience yourself or help others achieve said thru shared knowledge since you are SO SMART!
do accept there will be no chores we will all monitor ourselves there but wow the freedom of where it might lead
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Cool. Will totally be in there soon as I get to the message. Apparently my in box has blown up a little for some reason. I have more messages than usual, so I’m gonna sift through them. Will totally mod and sub it.
Thanks!
n/a woodmoon 2017-01-31
And yet, people still try to say Bush Jr. was a better president than Trump -- despite Bush having the blood of millions on his hands.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Just all (unfortunately successful) attempts at citizen division. Keep the plebs distracted and fighting amongst themselves so they never look up from their bickering to see who's really manipulating them.
n/a SigmundFloyd76 2017-01-31
Hear, hear.
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
it takes a special kind of stupid to realize TPTB are actively trying to divide us, and then go right to work trying to divide us. Obamas term is over, its time to focus on Trump. I don't care if the media is unfair with the amount of coverage one got over the other. We need to focus on the now. You say you are against the travel ban? prove it. stop trying to justify his actions on the whims of the media.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
You're trying way too hard, little one. Just stop. It's over. Nobody cares about whatever it is you're trying to do. Go back to your cave.
n/a JonathonFlowers 2017-01-31
Give Trump a chance, he's just getting started.
n/a metalblueroad 2017-01-31
The hypocrisy is astounding. Drone strike them, murder them, whatever. But stop them coming in? OMG!! Its the end of the world!!!!!
n/a lufecaep 2017-01-31
Even calling it a ban is a bit of an exaggeration. It is a temporary moratorium.
n/a 20_TwentyTwo 2017-01-31
Go back to The Donald
n/a blaaaahhhhh 2017-01-31
Says the enoughtrumpspam regular
n/a 20_TwentyTwo 2017-01-31
And you post on The Donald.
Lol at least im not whining about it
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Never been to it. Don't even know what you're talking about, actually. I'm assuming it's a subreddit.
Meh.
n/a How1ntriguing 2017-01-31
I'm not a big fan of the ban but I agree with the sentiment being expressed.
I can't believe how many people, from my friends to my parents to my classmates, are losing their minds about the ban like it's the worst thing that's ever happened but I didn't hear a word from them about the mass murder that the U.S. government has been carrying out in the Mideast over years and years. It's brainwashed parroting of whatever the mainstream narrative teels them to care about.
n/a destraht 2017-01-31
[crying in Northern California] [waah]
n/a truthhurtskek 2017-01-31
almost everyone I know who's against the ban is against the war on terror. all these Trumpists saying we didn't do this when America bombed these countries are the same people that cheered when we declared war on Iraq. there were protests against the Iraq war.
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-01-31
So I guess the lack of protest during the Obama administration mean the war of terror was suspended?
n/a truthhurtskek 2017-01-31
yeah cause it's not like the Occupy protests had any antiwar overtones or anything
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-01-31
Occupy had overtones of just about everything that was vaguely left, as it was by design a leaderless movement with no set direction, but if it had any unifying message, it was economic justice and anger over Wall St.'s role in the financial crash. Hell, the better example would have been the demonstrations against intervention in Syria following the gas attacks.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
I certainly didn't hear anything about any protests over the bombings that we did (and keep doing) in the middle east.
I sure as hell have been hearing about the protests to the Muslim ban, however - much as I'm not a big fan of it either.
n/a Naalu 2017-01-31
Why would Soros fund anti bombing protests?
n/a yaosio 2017-01-31
Soros doesn't fund protests. It's fake news.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Because it's not about being anti-war/anti-Muslim. It's about being anti-Trump. You have to understand it that way.
Clinton didn't get in. Soros lost tens of millions the moment Trump got elected. Clinton is Soros' puppet. She would have done whatever he wanted. She's a war monger. She would have plunged the
countryplanet into WWIII w/Russia and China, which would have made Soros a LOOOOT of money arming, supplying, aiding, and abettingboth sidesevery side.Trump beat her, so now Soros be like... and is doing everything he can to simply take him the fuck down and out in the hopes of putting someone else in.
Soros wants him out so bad that he's willing to take five steps back (funding women's marches and the type of protests that claim to be against what he otherwise finances - i.e. war) just to take ten steps forward (making the individual who's putting a big ass wrench in his total war machine look horrible in the eyes of the generally ignorant public and replacing him - i.e. Trump).
Like the great scholar Alonzo said...
n/a Naalu 2017-01-31
Yeah.. that was kind off my point :)
n/a Chibibaki 2017-01-31
Oh there is a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. Nobody gave a damn about Obamas bans. This is a media created talking point and nothing more.
n/a Walter_jones 2017-01-31
Obama didn't ban green card and visa holders though. In addition, why is refusing refugees even on the same level as bombing ISIS?
Should Obama have halted all bombing of ISIS?
n/a Chibibaki 2017-01-31
Nobody cared about the refugees Obama abandoned. They sure as hell arent complaining about the MANY countries with far more oppressive immigration laws at this very moment. Now that its Muslims though, suddenly everyone is up in arms. Almost like someone was telling them what to think...
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
I don't understand why this is such a pressing issue. The logic:
It was fucked up back then, no one cared. It happened again, and its fucked up. Everyone cares. Wait, no one cared the first time, lets go on about how they should have cared instead of caring that it happened again!
Its a distraction.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
Obama is irrelevant at this point! It's done!
n/a pizza_shill 2017-01-31
What's the conspiracy?
You're just pointing out liberal "hypocrisy" which is really just a straw man argument.
n/a nickeberle 2017-01-31
A lot of news and opinions are being shared on here cause it's the only uncensored forum where political posts are somewhat on topic
n/a pizza_shill 2017-01-31
Just go to r/altright
Seems there's no censorship there, either.
n/a nickeberle 2017-01-31
hahaha
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
The conspiracy has to do with the manner in which consent is manufactured and narratives are contrived and formulated.
If you're not aware of this phenomenon (which, based on your comment, it seems apparent you're not), then you would do well to educate yourself.
n/a d121212 2017-01-31
My totally racist neighbor is complaining about this ban and saying Trump should be impeached. I do not get how people decide what they care about.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Selective reasoning, unfortunately.
n/a The_Real_Racoon 2017-01-31
Yeah I can't take anyone who whines about this seriously. Like are you aware of the amount of bombs Obama dropped on them? I guess murder is preferable to stricter immigration laws?
n/a mw8912a 2017-01-31
The 7 countries that have travel restrictions and bans in place are the same 7 that aren't controlled by a Rothschild central bank. General Wesley Clark lays it all out here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
n/a tehNOViCE 2017-01-31
Gaza strip was getting bombed and Obama didn't say shit...
n/a ShiftlessElement 2017-01-31
The problem with this logic is it lumps together "them." Bombings are, ideally, targeted to hit militant/terrorist groups. The same groups the refugees are fleeing.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
The militant/terrorists groups are created and funded by the the same U.S.M.I.C. that subsequently ends up bombing them "In the name of freedom!!"
n/a littleblueanarchist 2017-01-31
that's jimmy for you, always speaking truth to hypocrits
n/a astralrocker2001 2017-01-31
Great post. You have summed this up perfectly.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Thanks.
I should give the credit to Jimmy Dore, as he's the one who said things so concisely and not I, but I'll take the credit anyway. :) (lol)
n/a photonicphacet 2017-01-31
Anything which does not appear on the nightly news is not real.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Nothing but fake news, citizen!
And don't you forget it!
Now pick up that can!
n/a probiner 2017-01-31
http://i.imgur.com/7Xa5QGQ.png
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
I say we ban them but don't bomb them.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
I say we stop bombing them, then maybe we'll stop creating refugees fleeing for their lives.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
Oh I agree, but at the same time just because our government is pulling this shit doesn't mean our communities should have to pick up the pieces.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
...Well...if it's "our" government, then we elected them. I know we really didn't, but we need to put them in check if they're doing shit in our name that we don't agree with (and they most certainly are). We don't and we haven't been doing that, so a lot of the blood that they spill does in fact end up being in our name. Many of us don't like to admit that and we say "I didn't vote for these assholes!" and I get that. I didn't vote for them either. However, they are doing this shit in our name and we're not doing nearly enough to stop them from doing it in our name...so in a certain sense, part of the reason our communities have to pick up the pieces is because our communities are at least in part responsible for allowing this piece of shit government to continue wreaking havoc on a global scale...in our name.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
150% disagree with the "in our name" part. It is in no way shape or form a government run for the people by the people, it is in the name of an abstract concept of "America" that a large number of citizens don't even sympathize with. It is not in our name at all. Fuck outta here telling me that I'm responsible for these war mongers. Even if I vote against them, it's still rigged and I'm never even given a solid lot to choose from. It's not in our name, it's being done without our consent, and then in turn hurting our communities after we destroy theirs.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Of course. Doesn’t matter though. It is in fact in your name to everyone else that isn’t you and who’s not an American and who looks at what your and my and our country is doing “in our name”.
I certainly don’t agree w/what the U.S. is doing by far. Am I a U.S. citizen, however? Yes. Could I fault any foreigner for saying ”Your government sucks?” No. Not really.
Correct. Absolutely so. What I said above still applies, however.
We can’t selectively take advantage of the benefits that a country provides and then disassociate ourselves from it when they do something we don’t like or agree with.
Also don’t disagree with that either.
So then we need to come together and stop letting it tell the world it represents us. We need to come together and STOP it from representing “our will” to the rest of the world.
Fuck outta here being so naive as to think you’re not.
If you think your voting is what you need to do to make a difference, then you’re doing it way wrong.
I don’t think you really realize how you’re contradicting yourself without even knowing you’re doing it.
If “we” are destroying “theirs”…then it is in our name, and it is us.
Perhaps you should re-direct your anger at something more constructive than thinking there’s no way anything you do as a U.S. citizen supports and upholds this war-mongering country we live in and are part of.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
If I own some slaves, and then I go slaughter an innocent child one day... are the slaves now the murderers? Think about the logic behind saying that it "is us". It's a government that exists within the confines of the same geographic location that I am involved in, and am at times extorted by through taxes. If the Mafia comes to my business and makes me pay taxes, then they wack someone who was well liked by the community, am I now somehow responsible?
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
If by choosing to accept extortion of a portion of my salary, some which funds wars, over jail time is supporting and upholding the war machine, then sure. But it's a catch 22 that I don't see a solution to.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
If they aid and abet you and make your practices possible and without them you wouldn’t have been able to do what you did? Then they’re accomplices. If they give you money and support you, they’re going to prison as well.
I am. I very much am. This is why I’ve said what I’ve said.
And you do it - among many other things for them. We all do - or at least most of us do.
It’s important to recognize that we’re not victims to anywhere near as great an extent as we might like to think we are.
If they take the money you pay them, whack somebody, take that murdered person’s money, cut you in on a piece of the booty they made from that job, and you subsequently end up living a comparatively affluent lifestyle because of it? and you then start getting kind of used to that comparatively affluent lifestyle and start having less and less of a problem with that “protection money” you now keep giving them?
Then yeah. You’re an accomplice. You might not be the one pulling the trigger, but you’re aiding and abetting and making the crime possible.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
In a situation where there are dire consequences for not submitting to this higher force, forcing blame on them is a bit unfair.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
That's a good point, and I understand it, but you simply cannot shift the entire blame upon this other force entirely.
What I'm saying is that the citizenry need to all stand up and be wiling to be the fucking frog.
When we all become willing to come together and work toward our collective liberation and become willing to all "be the frog" to make that collective liberation happen, then I can almost guarantee you that there will be no more storks attempting to take advantage of us and use us as their fodder - because there are more of us than them and, collectively, we are far more powerful than they are. Until we are ready and willing to do that, however, the storks will continue to use us as the fuel they need to power their war machines of hate and deceit and murder.
And yes. We are indeed the fuel for that machine. This has been my main point all along.
We are the fuel. YOU are the fuel. I am the fuel. Even if we say "Sheeit. It ain't my war machine." it's still happening in our name and on our dime and it's still using our work and our effort and our fuel to power it...so yeah. It's ours. We keep it alive.
All the points you make are valid...but, unfortunately, so are mine.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
And actually, I'm currently not paying any taxes, simply living off of them and others so... It's not MY war machine at all hahaha. But I do get where you're coming from.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
If you're mooching off someone else and you make no money of your own, then that's one thing. Of course you're not paying any taxes if you're not making any money. That's not what I'm talking about, however, because that's basically the life of every non-adult who still lives with their parents.
If you are making money and are getting checks written to you and are having W2s come in and you have a car and a house/apartment and are having to financially take care of yourself independent of anyone else and you make payments for all those things, etc, and you're still not paying taxes under those particular types of circumstances?
Then you'll likely soon be responding to these posts from prison.
Nothing to "hahaha" about.
That said, a large portion of the taxes we pay are, as you mentioned before, extortion, so we shouldn't in fact be paying them.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
Not with parents, nor am I making any money on the books (not too significant of an amount off either). I'm in school though.
n/a brokenpixel 2017-01-31
What's the conspiracy?
n/a AlwaysTurning 2017-01-31
Military industrial complex.
n/a Be_Royal76 2017-01-31
How is this conspiracy? First of all it's a false equivalency, and 2nd of all calling out hypocrisy does not make something a conspiracy.
Is this r/conspiracy or r/The_Dumbass? Hard to tell anymore.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
If you don't understand how this goes into the manufacture of consent, then it appears you know almost nothing.
The irony in this statement is quite deep.
n/a swordofdamocles42 2017-01-31
All for the greater isra-hell project...
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
Are the people who complain about the Muslim ban the same people who are happy with bombing those countries?
Do you have any source for that or are you just making that up?
When exactly did the US bomb Iran?
No bombing in Sudan since 1998
Get your facts straight before parroting
Russia'sTrump's propaganda, please.n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Pretty embarrassingly bad selective reasoning and straw man building there, little one.
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
So you can point to people who complain about the Muslim and who were happy with bombing those countries?
The US did bomb Iran?
The US has bombed Somalia since 1998?
Do you actually know the meaning of those words you were using?
n/a Rikhart 2017-01-31
You dont seem too smart, have you ever noticed any uproar about the continued bombing, as compared to the current drama everywhere because of bans?
Do you see it now?
n/a tindergod 2017-01-31
That doesn't answer my question.
Being silent =! supporting the bombing.
Do you want to read my question again, smart guy that you are?
n/a pringlesaremyfav 2017-01-31
You're right, we should stop bombing them.
n/a ezerak 2017-01-31
Imperial policy is to distract with a false sense of freedoms at home while enslaving overseas. Distract from the myth at home that new-liberals must tell themselves to sleep at night and the world goes crazy. They are unable to process the truth about the national security complex, drone assassinations, and the violations of the Constitution and the CIA's charter. The hardest thing to do is actually look in the mirror.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Well said, but I'd say it's definitely not just liberals.
n/a ezerak 2017-01-31
I wasn't inditing political spectrum liberals. Neo-liberalism is the philosophical break from traditional of the Age of Enlightenment to the benighted benevolent belief in benevolent Laissez-faire capitalism as the panacea for society's ills. Both parties engage in that bit of intellectual sophism in fact it is at the core of our uneasy post Cold-War political truce.
n/a Mrexreturns 2017-01-31
The US and Israel are much bigger terrorists than those countries. The US should ban itself!
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Boom. This cat gets it. Exactly this.
n/a Lookswithin 2017-01-31
Just saw this thread, thanks. I was going to write something for my very politically correct friends who are going off about Trumps ban - yet I never saw one of them question the bombing of middle eastern women and children based on lies.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Yep. Send then this or talk about it and tell them to get off their high horse.
n/a Lookswithin 2017-01-31
Here is a great commentary on this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTFB9GDfls
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Uh...This is the exact same video that's in the OP, broseph. Apparently all you did was read the OP title and decided to comment with the link you sent. And that's cool. I understand that. I often simply read the title only and comment without bothering to read the title subtext.
However, A) the OP title subtext is literally ONE sentence. It's not like it was a wall of text. You could have read that. Also, B) if you would have read that short sentence in the OP subtext...then you might not have commented by posting THE EXACT SAME VIDEO that is actually already in the subtext of the OP itself. lol.
All good though.
Shows that we're at least both on the same page. :)
n/a Lookswithin 2017-01-31
I clicked on that title and it just went back to the thread.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Don't just click on the title though. Click on the little box underneath the title. That shows the title's subtext, and in that subtext, you'll find a link to the very video you linked above.
n/a Lookswithin 2017-01-31
Yes, see that now. Thanks.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
https://img.clipartfest.com/c58a72d7bb89c340293d782585758f58_24da0f778f40de98d080f45e1b57b8-thumbs-up-clipart-free_1307-1600.png
n/a clenched__buttocks 2017-01-31
Interesting you chose the word "citizens". No, but it's not citizens, (hilarious omission though!) it's the Mossad, and other dogs of terrorism they use the world over.
n/a The_EA_Nazi 2017-01-31
Preposterous, trump is our Lord and savior and above all criticism otherwise you are a shill, don't you know that? /s
n/a saintcmb 2017-01-31
Yes, I have even taken part in that silly game myself. I was no fan of Obama, even though I voted for him twice. But I often felt compelled to defend him because alot of the criticism was not valid or just plain silly. He is coming for your guns by staging school shootings, hes a closet muslim that will impose sharia. My boss at work told me racism didnt exist anymore, except Obama is racist against white people. Meanwhile Im still waiting for our troops to come home, the wars to end, and the bombs to stop dropping.
n/a EhrmantrautWetWork 2017-01-31
Says clenched buttocks. I've learned never trust claims from someone as confident as you
n/a Walter_jones 2017-01-31
Obama didn't ban green card and visa holders though. In addition, why is refusing refugees even on the same level as bombing ISIS?
Should Obama have halted all bombing of ISIS?
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Very glad our knowledge is evolving. In our sharing, we grow. :)
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
If by choosing to accept extortion of a portion of my salary, some which funds wars, over jail time is supporting and upholding the war machine, then sure. But it's a catch 22 that I don't see a solution to.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
If they aid and abet you and make your practices possible and without them you wouldn’t have been able to do what you did? Then they’re accomplices. If they give you money and support you, they’re going to prison as well.
I am. I very much am. This is why I’ve said what I’ve said.
And you do it - among many other things for them. We all do - or at least most of us do.
It’s important to recognize that we’re not victims to anywhere near as great an extent as we might like to think we are.
If they take the money you pay them, whack somebody, take that murdered person’s money, cut you in on a piece of the booty they made from that job, and you subsequently end up living a comparatively affluent lifestyle because of it? and you then start getting kind of used to that comparatively affluent lifestyle and start having less and less of a problem with that “protection money” you now keep giving them?
Then yeah. You’re an accomplice. You might not be the one pulling the trigger, but you’re aiding and abetting and making the crime possible.
n/a RussianMartian 2017-01-31
I don't understand why this is such a pressing issue. The logic:
It was fucked up back then, no one cared. It happened again, and its fucked up. Everyone cares. Wait, no one cared the first time, lets go on about how they should have cared instead of caring that it happened again!
Its a distraction.
n/a no1113 2017-01-31
Cool. Will totally be in there soon as I get to the message. Apparently my in box has blown up a little for some reason. I have more messages than usual, so I’m gonna sift through them. Will totally mod and sub it.
Thanks!