[Meta] /r/conspiracy user analysis

144  2017-02-06 by photenth

I'm a long time reddit user (had previous accounts) and I've been constant poster here ever since. I'm liberal and left leaning just to get this out of the way first =)

That this subreddit is a bit more right leaning is pretty clear for most people but let me put this into some numbers for you.

Given the tag line:

Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone.

I think I can post stuff like this as I'm not attacking anyone, just posting some facts that might interest the long time users here.

I analysed almost 4000 /r/conspiracy users for the past 2 months. I picked top posts and very low quality posts (small amount of upvotes). So I think I have a pretty good random sample of the users here. No data published here can be linked back to a username!

Since the_donald has an insane banning policy, it makes it easier to track their posting habits. If anyone has a good suggestion for a highly left leaning (or very neutral) sub I'm all ears! (not r-politics as there are a large amount of the_donald posters there as well and I did try to clean the data but so far I have inconclusive results)

Let's take a look at some stats:

the_donald

  • From all users analysed who post in /r/conspiracy 71% have a positive comment score in the_donald

  • 50% of all links posted here are from the_donald users.

  • The ratio between users with more than 30 posts in /r/conspiracy and those below is around 80%. So 20% of the posters here are either new accounts or just not regulars.

  • The numbers are incredibly close when comparing the_donald and none_donald users: 81.76% vs 81.64% So if you see someone with a low /r/conspiracy post count, there is a 50% chance it's a the_donald user.

  • A the_donald user is 1.5x more likely to be upvoted.

  • The word shill and shills within a comment is 1.5x more likely to come from a the_donald poster. (this most likely includes people denying being a shill)

  • I did the same test for the word cuck and libtard. 2.3x for cuck and surprisingly only 1.5x for libtard. But at least it is consistent =)

Given all these stats I can conclude a few things:

  • The_donald users are more likely to comment than post links

  • Given the vast amount of reddit users compared to the_donald subscribers, the_donald users are over represented in this community

  • If there is brigading (as in commenting, not voting) going on, it's more likely to be from the_donald as 50% of all none active users have posted in the_donald

hillaryclinton

  • 12% of the users who post in /r/conspiracy have a positive score in hillaryclinton

  • 5% of all "shill" comments are from posters who posted in hillaryclinton.

  • compared to the 80% regular rate from before, hillaryclinton users are at 85% which means they post more regularly here than the average user. (or the other way around!)

  • hillaryclinon users post 2% of all links to this sub

  • hillaryclinton users barely use the word shill or shills. 5% of all shill occurences are in hillaryclinton user comments.

enoughtrumpspam

Up next!

I'm open for critic and if someone wants any other analysis just ask. I have almost 10k user histories. If you want me to analyse a specific subreddit it will take almost 24hours to download a good sample size (60 requests per minute is the reddit API limit).

EDIT: I can upload all the meta data I have for those who want to check my results.

EDIT2: I queued up a few hillaryclinton users to analyse their behaviour. Let me get back to you guys with a more in depth analysis.

EDIT3: I'll be compiling a bit more detailed stats for a bigger meta post, this time including a few left leaning subs. This will take a while and since I don't want to spam this board with just stats I'll wait a week or so.

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You should totally make a sub, I miss https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/

Since pretty much anyone on the right posts on t_d I'd say a 50/50 split of users does nothing but disprove that.

Ah, damn, I should never have put up a post over there... when the revolution comes, those 7 upvotes will get me up the wall. :-D ;-)

cough 3 comments with a mean upvote of 4.3 =)

I maybe have to adjust my algorithm to "detect" the_donald users. As I think I have a comment in there somewhere as well but it got deleted thus I'm by my own definition not a the_donald user.

Nice analysis. Could you analyze frequency of posts by accounts < 3 months old across the last 6 months, broken down by month?

What values can you get the API to return?

Never thought to call the API myself, but there could be some really fun statistics to break out if I can find the time.

The api is confusing at first (as they have a weird way of chaining comments) but overall quite easy to implement a simple request.

I programmed a small tool that downloads users, a single subreddit request in my tool can take ages as it finds +- 6000-7000 users in larger subreddits. A request can only return 100 comments/links at a time and since reddit stores up to 1k comments it can take easily 10 request per user + maybe 3-4 requests for their submission list.

I have to figure out a way to find comments that are past the 1000 comment history of a user since I'd have to go by submitted links and those are even harder to sift through to specifically find a user. So much harder to analyse.

I'll give it a go with what I have, maybe something turns up.

People aren't either "right" or "left." They just don't realize it.

Yeah this sub was spammed with politics like 4 months ago out of nowhere and hasn't stopped. Luckily OG free thinkers keep the content coming with ancient civilizations, the moon, antarctica, ets, ufos, breakaway civs, flat earth, hollow earth, DUMBs, anti gravity, energy from the vacuum...this list goes on and the questions keep being asked. We are picking up a ton of free thinkers along the way and that's why this remains the best sub on reddit

I was a r/conspiracy user long before a The_Donald user.

I've had my account listed, RESed, harassed, vote manipulated, Pmed, banned from multiple subs:

I was banned from r/ama for trying to get an AMA with the person who exposed Hillary's server guy asking reddit for help.

From r/videos for posting a video explaining Pepe isn't racist.

I'm just an r/conspiracy user that believe's the PTB want rampant globalism and hope for a better way. Meanwhile, there is $40 m fresh dollars for CTR, now named Shareblue.

They distort all news with prefab talking points, they vote empty articles to #1 on r/all, they keep negative Trump articles at the top and truthful ones find no airing.

When it was that the State Department staff "resigned as a protest to Trump", #1.

The articles actually telling the truth, that Trump had told them they were out, it doesn't show up anywhere.

When Hillary's team birddogs Bernie supporters into attacking Trump supporters, the Trump supporters happen to always be forgotten.

Headline (Bernie Supporters): It wasn't us, it was Hillary's people!

But it was them, they just allowed themselves to get incited by Hillary's people.

And that was the thing that got me onto The_Donald.

You can post all the statistics you want, but the truth is, what your one-sided analysis failed to account for was how many r/conspiracy users became T_D users.

Near zero became r/hillaryclinton users.

Given the low amount of hillaryclinton subscribers I couldn't really make a good analysis of their users.

But let me get some data on them just for you. I'll post back later.

I appreciate data checking and Im pretty sure this sub has changed drastically in 4 years...in the lurking and active time I've spent here it changed drastically for me after Trump became the nominee. Now he is the POTUS and everything is different, so, there's that

why would they come here to be exposed the truth about their precious queen? have you been to /r/hillaryclinton, it's a shitshow where you literally cannot post a single criticism of her.

it's not a discussion, it's not a subreddit, it's a highly controlled advertisement for a criminal.

But isn't the_donald the same? Haven't seen a single critique on the_donald about trump.

It's a good comparison IMO but the sample size of hillary clinton users is really small makes the results a lot less reliable. the error margins alone are a significantly larger.

Yes, the_donald is the same, but /r/conspiracy isn't, which is my point. Just because someone has a favorable score in The_Donald, unfortunately doesn't make them a Trump supporter. It's currently one of the top 10 subreddits there are.

I truly believe /r/conspiracy is the only nonpartisan subreddit worth getting news from.

If you think /r/conspiracy is nonpartisan then you must be blind. This sub regularly has anti-Clinton/not Trump political topics, and when anti-Trump topics get posted you see comments like 'this is fake, let's get back to pizza and shillery'.

Whether you want to see it or not, there is a non-insignificant active user base on this sub who support the current presidency.

But it's not an unnatural phenomenon like the narrative people are trying to push.

Many conspiracy theorists hate Hillary Clinton (despite being dem voters their whole life)

and at the same time, Donald Trump appeals to conspiracy theorists interests with the lock her up rhetoric, the space exploration, the calling out mainstream media, etc.

The simplest conclusion to draw is that he appeals to the predominantly White, American, Male /r/conspiracy user base.

What a shocker.

Who only care if someone agrees with them...

While I do agree this sub leans right a bit, it is also fair to remember that the Clinton's have a long long history of conspiracy related things. Long political career filled with many "suicides" and what not. Donald Trump is a "new" politician without a large history of conspiracy stuff. This and all these new conspiracy things related to Trump also come from mainstream media types who, as has been shown, have a pretty bad record when it comes to completely biased and outright lies.

I suppose it'd make some sense at first for someone who just woke up to be right wing. not trusting govt after all, and govt is involved in most conspiracies discussed here. that being said we need a good non corrupt govt. not easy to have but who said it'd be easy.

It doesn't help that the mods here delete a lot of Trump related conspiracies. The top 4 posts in this sub ever were removed because they made Trump look bad.

I don't care that the sub has a right bias, I care that it's being censored into that bias.

You say the Clintons have a lot of conspiratorial activity. This is absolutely true. But so do the Trumps and when it's hidden, it's the users of the sub that lose out.

If you think /r/conspiracy is nonpartisan then you must be blind.

A year ago this sub was far pro-Bernie than pro-Trump. How does that fit your narrative - apart from blowing it out of the water?

LOL fucking seriously. Any serious poster here is just rallying behind whoever we think is the most anti-establishment. If theres any indication of Trump being anti-establishment it was the incredible resistance from the establishment. We wanted Bernie, it was literally rigged against him, so we moved on to the next most r/conspiracy friendly candidate. For the moment whether ya like it or not, thats Trump.

As a Trump supporter for the exact reason I stated above, I am fully willing to denounce him if he ends up not doing shit with respect to dismantling the establishment. Thing is he is as of yet done nothing to dissapoint on that front, the establishment is running around in a blatant panic making wild accusations.

Anyone else notice theres not been a single fucking word of Russia in weeks?

To add to this, it doesn't take much to harvest some karma at the_donald. You just post something that catches some buzz, and you're in the 1000s.

I go to /r/the_donald from here to spread the message. they're way more receptive than /r/politics lol

I'm not American and I don't believe in voting. Still accused of being an American republican by the "tolerant" left.

They are unbearably hypocritical. The reason Democrats don't understand is because they are so abrasive about opinions contrary to theirs that people have given up even trying to have political discourse with them.

I'm more curious about the overlap with r/politics rather than r/hillaryclinton.

What's the difference? laughtrack

I'm right there with you.

I'm the same as you, aside from not getting banned all over. Not sure how I would fair in this analysis though. I was primarily a poster in this sub until a couple months ago, then I rode the train pretty hard for a bot because, I'm sorry, t_d was just hilarious for awhile there. But it got kinda tired, and this place has become a better mix of the current events and legacy conspiracies that I enjoy. Now I am back posting here predominantly, but it would probably look like I came from t_d if all you had to go by was the last few months.

I'm with you as well, I was a long time conspiracy follower until recently when I unblocked t_d and started posting there. I've had 6 accounts this year alone.

Also, this is the third post I've seen in this sub from different users all presenting a similar set of data. We get it, you're trying to say t_d users are illegitimate and here to push an agenda, but for the most part, that is false. I'm starting to think there's more of a conspiracy in why people are trying so hard to discredit t_d users.

As for Donald supporters being more pizzagaters, it just makes sense. If one believes Pizzagate is real, they aren't going to support the people perpetrating it. They're going to want to drain the swamp. And they are going to plug their nose at all sorts of bad positions because child trafficking is that bad of a thing.

pizzagate directly involved podesta who is a Hillary pal so it directly involves her. a trump supporter might not want to admit he's an Epstein pal but still at least he wasn't talking in pedo code. not pure proof like that just a pal.

I usually refrain from posting in here because I'm obviously (as anyone who checks my post history can tell) impartial to you guys. But I need to interject here since no one else did.

a trump supporter might not want to admit he's an Epstein pal but still at least he wasn't talking in pedo code. not pure proof like that just a pal.

I take reservation to the "talking in pedo code" which is really, really forced in my opinion, but I'll ignore that to focus on this part instead. How can you say that with a straight face when what Trump had to say about Epstein (long before he was a presidential hopeful, so let's not pretend this was some fake news to slander him):

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it - Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

How can you read this, now knowing what you know about Epstein, and not think this is incredibly creepy and most likely a blatant admission by Trump that, at the very least, he knew what he was up to and didn't care? How is this less of a red flag than "playing dominos on pizza", especially when put together with all the other red flags?

I'm willing to bet that many more people start as Trump supporters/Dem haters and are receptive to PG because of it than the opposite causation you're describing.

I for one wanted Bernie until the Primaries were rigged against him. I was also a regular here well before this entire election cycle. Pretty much even before I ever made an account. I think that goes for a lot of people here too. So no we are not dem haters, just corrupt establishment haters.

This is why you have separate accounts for thought crimes :)

Gotta agree 100%. OP is just trying to further the divide and make the sub look like a partisan playground when it's not. A lot of people here simply see Clinton as a long time political establishment insider, infinitely worse in this respect than Trump. When given the choice between TPTB and an outsider, the conspiracy minded or aware people will choose the latter. Even Sanders would've been a better choice than Clinton to most of us. It's not about red vs. blue, dem vs. rep, it's about blatant ongoing levels of corruption over decades if not millennia, seeing through the bullshit, and choosing the best options going forward.

Would love to see how many people are here from SFP that whole shit show is what made me a regular here.

Yup, been trying to explain this every time I see this shit come up. How hard is it to see that the 1 candidate that talks about conspiracies is going to get support from conspiracy theorists...

account for how many r/conspiracy users became T_D users

Represent. Also this can be very easily confirmed by OPs "10,000 post histories". This is a selective disclosure of stats, not unlike the shit the politicians that we question here pull.

YES. Exactly. Been on r/conspiracy before Trump even announced he was running.

HRC lists Kissinger as one of her heroes. This isn't about right or left, this is about failed, terror-increasing international policy and endless war for profit versus admittedly odious but at least isolationist nationalism. It's no surprise that r/conspiracy folks were lining up behind any opponent of Hillary considering the expansion and empowerment of the deep state under her boss, Obama's administration, and the continuation of the dystopian drone Terminator-style state that her regime would have included.

In my lifetime, I've seen the DNC go from serving the people to exploiting and denigrating them. Even as most big unions got co-opted in the 80's be corporate culture, eventually mirroring their power structure and pay-for-play values, the DNC saw what worked for the dirty tricksters of the statist RNC and have aped their methods as well as their international agenda. Now we're entering an era where the DNC has moved to Tea-Party tactics, NPR is hosting They Live-esque apologists like Raj Patel, who talks openly of "redefining Democracy". Well, Patel you Orwellian fuck, I guess the advantage of redefining Democracy is that even if everyone else disagrees with you, you can simply 'redefine' them as irrelevant because Democracy is only what you say it is. Which, I am willing to bet, looks a lot like an Oligarchy led by bookish center-left university types such as yourself.

The people in this sub, like myself and u/CitationDependent here, are too woke to fall for partisan hackery. We know that the real enemies of freedom wear different colored shirts, the way you can tell who they are by the number of zeros in their bank accounts.

Political conspiracy crossover

It's not like CTR is raiding this sub at all :)

if they deny it = they're CTR

Correct the Record? Is that still even a thing?

Great work. It's just like the morons from /r/isrconspiracyracist who flood the board with racist bullshit.

It's PERFECTLY CLEAR who the people behind T_D are.

EnoughTrumpSpam or HillaryClinton would be some subs for left leaning.

Also, it would be interesting to see the difference from Bernie supporting subs to Hillary supporting subs.

Anyway, I enjoyed reading your work. Good stuff.

EnoughTrumpSpam

That is large enough to get a good sample. Good idea! Will start right away.

Politics would be an interesting evaluation as well.

Bernie's sub got shut down just about right when he dropped out of the race. very telling. and the mods of his own sub got caught laughing about it.

HillaryClinton would be some subs for left leaning.

Democrat leaning - please. There is nothing "left" about Hillary Clinton.

The word shill is a dead giveaway. It's so annoying at times. Find a real argument to shut someone down for God's sake, name calling is for kindergarten.

When I see the letters C, T, and R in a comment anymore I just ignore whatever the person has to say.

What if you saw Human Trafficking suspected in high levels of Government Investigation? Would you automatically ignore that?

No, because that doesn't have anything to do with someone using baseless accusations to shut another person down on an internet forum, which is what I thought we were talking about.

Human trafficking netted $4 Billion last year. Are you sure no governments are profiting off this? You have such great faith in your own country? I know my poor country has acted shady as fuck since the Fed got control. Pizzagate sounds insane and it's easy to discredit. Government Assisted Human Trafficking investigation does not sound the same. I was talking about Orwellian speak and it's effect on us.

I've been commenting on the wrong thread. I'm an idiot. Sorry

It's cool.

I'm an idiot. I should check the thread before I respond. Apologies.

sorry if shoe fits

I see youve made yet another new account /u/Horus_Krishna_5.

you tools just dont get it.

Shhhhhhhhhhillllllllll!!!!!1

But this cannot be! This is obviously trying to gaslight us hide the fact that everyone is a shill! /s

Yep, sounds about right. I actually have two accounts I post to here from, and both actually have positive scores on T_D. The other account I don't post on there with anymore, and this has become a more political and shitposting account. But still, the Trump spam on here is annoying and drags down the quality imo.

Found this place at the very beginning of the primary elections and felt at home. I've been over to the_donald once or twice and just didn't get it. I'm holding off on completely writing Trump till at least 160 days are up though because I feel as if that's a more than fair timeframe to decide if he's actually for the people or if it's all just a new type of fuckery we haven't caught onto yet.

This is a shit post. I have a positive comment score in every subreddit I post in, regardless of political lean.

The data literally means nothing and also is far too small of a sample to inspire any relevant changes around here.

A literal waste of time.

I would also love to see (and this may be near impossible) what subs are considered the shills the most.

I have an Idea, let me see if I can get some conclusive results.

I'm not understanding the hostility in response to this post. It's just data?

The bit where he says it's most likely t_d posters are brigading is tetchy. I personally disagree and think that t_d pretty much represents the right on Reddit so a 50/50 split between users makes sense.

The bit where he says it's most likely t_d posters are brigading is tetchy. I personally disagree and think that t_d pretty much represents the right on Reddit so a 50/50 split between users here makes sense.

The shills have been fully exposed, and they're going into damage control. Excuse after excuse from the Zionist T_D disinformation agents

made up data

made up trolling accounts /u/horus_krishna_5

Yep. Low energy troll to boot.

it would appear that there is a group of moderators for this sub that dont care. Kind of sucks, a lot.

I'll offer to mod.

lol, I dont think there interested in keeping the sub on track.

FAKE NEWS!

That's all I can see coming from the Donald supporters. Which isn't surprising.

The pro-Trump shills that control this subreddit are desperately trying to hide that pro-Trump shills control this subreddit.

Trump supporters want to cover up the data.

Your analysis left out prolific /r/politics posters. That would even things out I would imagine.

When you say 50% of links here are from T_D it is most likely that it was first posted here and then in T_D...

Highly political events start happening, the_donald happens, the_donald and ctr shills invade a good community for open thought, who da thunk? It's almost like they want to stop any real discussion or are so deep in the brainwashing they can't see anything else.

You don't have to be hillary supporter or a Donald to be a shill, it's extremely obvious that this sub is being buried with political shit posts by both sides.

the louder shit poster will always bury the calm rational users.

I'll post the same reply I posted 5 days ago by a user with a strikingly similar story to yours...

"I'm sorry. But are we only allowed to follow and post in one subreddit? I must have missed that rule.

I do understand the conclusions you are trying to draw with the correlation between PG posts and t_d users, but I think it's unfair to try to say these posters are illegitimate or have a hidden agenda to push

Yes I post in t_d, sometimes frequently. I went from trolling them, to blocking them, to joining them as a show of solidarity in under a year and a half; after seeing the censorship and measures taken by admins to suppress the sub and it's users instead of the manufactured astrofturfing that is plaguing this site. The front page is nothing but a smear rag mouthpiece for the left any more. After the Orlando shooting and Reddit's attempts to suppress any information, that was a major turning point. I started to use t_d for breaking news then supplementing their sources with sources I trust. I haven't been let down since.

Not to mention, I always enjoy some good shitposting. That place is great for it. " "

Now I'm curious why this agenda is being pushed across reddit. This is the third post I've seen in a week.

t_d is just not like any other subreddit though. If you can read these comments and even post there with a positive score it means that you have at least the same mentality or agree with how things are handled in that subreddit.

It doesn't say you are a trump supporter but the overall pictures is definitely there. Same as people posting in altright or metacanada.

It's actually really easy to get an obnoxiously high karma count over there. One doesn't even have to post a Donald positive thread. I could post a side of beef on top of a podium and name it "Hillary gives new speech" and it would get hundreds of upvotes, if not hit the front page of at least t_d.

To say that there isn't a hive mind in action would be silly on my part, but the are people of many races, genders, and sexuality that use the sub; many of which despise the alt-right. Despite the false equivalency that has been recently pushed that:

Trump supporters/t_d posters = alt-right = nazi

I apologize if I'm wrong, but I feel like that's the attempt being made with these posts in regard to people who post in both subs. I'm beginning to believe that the idea is to take the conspiracies that t_d users believe and paint them as alt-right conspiracies. Therefore discrediting them and turning others away from paying any attention.

It's actually really easy to get an obnoxiously high karma count over there. One doesn't even have to post a Donald positive thread. I could post a side of beef on top of a podium and name it "Hillary gives new speech" and it would get hundreds of upvotes, if not hit the front page of at least t_d.

I think that's what OP is trying to get at. If you're willing to post things on t_d that will get you upvotes then you're fitting in with their circlejerk mentality, even if you aren't a Trump supporter. There's not necessarily anything wrong with it, but it does begin to paint a picture of what type of person you are.

I made a total of about 4 comments in T_D... 3 up voted pretty heavy and one down voted for criticizing him being called "god emperor".

So because I support the guy fighting the globalists, and made a couple comments on T_D before coming to believe they were just trolls and or fake people trying to make Trump supporters fit the media's stereotypes.. Now in your statistics I am considered a T_D guy?

This is a very interesting analysis and kind of makes me want to do some myself (for fun). I would add this anecdote about the high correlation between this sub and /r/the_donald.

I am a moderate in almost every sense when it comes to political affiliation. Some issues I lean a little right, some issues I lean a little left. I was occasionally on /r/conspiracy until the wikileaks emails dropped right before the election. I have followed wikileaks for years and going to their sub for the leaks lead me to /r/the_donald (all the new drops were no longer being posted in the wikileaks sub, just the donald). I now frequently go to the donald subreddit, and this one because I'm looking for updates on the recent leaks and because it is obvious to me that the rest of reddit is very left leaning, so much so that I don't believe they represent the facts in an honest way most of the time (a lot of people feel this way).

I think the fact that the most recent leaks exposed the DNC candidate is also why you see a lot of right leaning users in this sub right now. The current conspiracies are linked to these documents and the DNC, and the left is basically ignoring all the evidence. I think it's also true that a lot of naturally curious people (conspiracy theorists) enjoy popping into subs that offer a different viewpoint than what is provided on r/all. I think you have people who started here and ended up at the_donald, and vice versa.

That's what democrats fail to realize. People in the middle have grown more sick of their shit than the republicans.

At least tell us some NEW lies, we are sicking of hearing the same old bullshit.

I am after the truth. If it takes down a bunch of Republicans then great, If it takes down a bunch of Democrats then great. As long as guilty people get the justice they deserve I am going to be happy with the result. A lot of moderates are watching the left lose their minds over Donald Trump and are getting frustrated. In truth, he's been in office for about two weeks and liberals have examined every move he makes with a microscope and attempted to spin it to fit a narrative. Calling his followers "Nazi's" is completely ridiculous and offensive to people who had to deal with actual Nazi's. It's all exaggeration and desperate attempts to smear his character and they don't care about what information is true. I'm honestly not the biggest fan of trump, but he's not a fucking Nazi. He's not a white supremacist (can't believe I even have to say that). He's got a million legitimate things you could criticize him for but instead of focusing on real issues they go for the stuff that makes a better headline and most of the time isn't based in much, if any, truth. It doesn't help that a lot of media outlets are fueling this with garbage journalism (on both sides).

I agree with everything you said.

Maybe some people are tired of the shit on both sides?

Why infuse it with that tribalism of "That's what democrats fail to realize." ?

I would love to see this cross analysis with a few other subs like Topmindsofreddit, conspiritard, politics, etc.

Good stuff.

One thing to note about the_donald is like others are saying here, I was a member of r/conspiracy before r/the_donald. I joined the sub for two main reasons

1 - following along with the election 2 - it was creating a big buzz on reddit, and to be honest, reading through the threads and the insane number of inside jokes and memes just reminded me old reddit. It's like reddit at weird hours of the morning, it feels like normal again, comment threads are funny, almost as if everyone who is manipulating the site has gone home from work for the day.

With the downfall of r/politics, is knowing the massive amount of media manipulation present, I thought it was refreshing to see that thing rise up and become the powerhouse of a sub it is now.

While I don't agree with everything they post, for all of us following r/conspiracy for a while this is an extremely crazy time. So many conspiracies feel like they are on the verge of being busted wide open, and while trump might be appealing more to the conspiracy side in us than obama, it is really no different (obama will bring change, he'll be different from bush -- trump is an outsider, he will bring change, he'll be different from obama!)

What would be the natural result in a conspiracy sub after a year with..

the Podesta emails DNC corruption Clinton Foundation dirty business pizzagate social justice retardation Soros paid protests MSM showing their ass again and again and again

hmm.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MGhgGDhnWg

Great post, not sure why others are getting butt hurt over data.

I believe the overlap is also related to /pol/ on 4chan. Lots of overlap between there, T_D, and here.

Interesting stuff. Try working r/fullcommunism into the mix.

I've been coming to /r/conspiracy since way before Trump even ran. I have positive karma in /r/The_Donald and I am also banned there on multiple accounts for saying "Fuck Israel, America First".

Decent post, but you should keep in mind that this sub lost many users as a result of the U.S. presidential campaign. I used to be a regular poster here but couldn't take what was happening here during the campaign. I'm left-leaning too, but the campaign clogged the sub and it was pretty much useless to me for the past year.

Worth noting too that it is a normal state for many of us "conspiracy theorists" to be extremely suspicious of the Clintons, if not downright hostile, regardless of political leanings. Same applies to Bushes.

Trump as a perceived outlier running against the establishment Clinton made this sub a natural fit for some Trump supporters, to this sub's detriment I might add.

I'd say your data and accompanying analysis is probably valid, but only for the past year. Things change here pretty quickly, especially when overrun with shills.

I don't think analyzing /r/hillaryclinton is relevant, it's a very low activity sub and most Clinton supporters never go there anyway.

she never had any supporters just paid shills pretending to

Wheres your citations. How do we know your facts are true?

EDIT: I can upload all the meta data I have for those who want to check my results.

Please do.

OP do you think PGATE being branded conspiracy caused the uptick?

Show us the data

This sub is almost unbearable now... I'm tired of seeing all these pro-trump fools claiming to be conspiracy theorists who want to "make america great" while being sucked in by all the double speak, buzz words, and fooling themselves into thinking Trump cares one bit about the average american citizen. He's proven with his actions that he is just another corporate - wall street lackey. He obviously cares nothing for the constitution or rights of individuals. Nor does he understand what actually makes america great (it's diversity).

Just got banned from TD for pointing out that the Trump administration report proving presidential precedence for immigration bans was bullshit.

(If you read the report, you'll see that all of the bans were for known or suspected criminals (mostly terrorist or uprising members). The only blanket ban on the list was against Cuba which... if that's the precedent then why are we surprised that people are protesting and upset?)

TD doesn't care about reality. They don't even listen to what their own administration is saying. They read headlines and share memes and suck Donald's dick.

A fairer comparison would have been to compare users who posted in /r/SandersForPresident and /r/WayOfTheBern. Politics aside, those subreddits are larger and more active than /r/hillaryclinton.

there are surprisingly many overlaps between sandersforpresident and the_donald though. Either because the_donald was infiltrating the sub or because some berners went to the_donald. I'd have to do a time based analysis to figure out which way.

Good stuff. What are you using to pull the data? Is there the same historical limit on user data as there is with actual sub content?

User comments are up to 1000 comments and links. never tried to pull anything older than a year so there might be a limit but I doubt it. It's just more difficult to pull data from a single user so far in the past.

Yea, I see now that user data is fine, just not post data. The API is a bit of a pain with rate limiting when you're trying to archive and the libs for anything other than Python are frustrating. What are you using if you don't mind me asking?

Custom library. All you really need is 4 types of requests. The login auth request (which has to be refreshed ever hour I think), a user comment request, a link request and a subreddit request.

Each of them gets a JSON formatted response, get any cheap JSON library and you can parse that to your own data structure. I then simply store the combined JSON. Since JSON is so verbose I also zip the files before storing. It takes slightly longer to load them all but I already have 1.8GB of data (+verbose json) so it's well worth it.

And before I analyse subreddits or users, I do some presorting to avoid having to go through all the data of users that I don't really need.

Good stuff. Do you have repo I could check out?

I'd probably want to store this in a remote DB on AWS.

Appreciate you taking the time to REPLY.

This is some great analysis, thanks for sharing the process!

If you lived in any other country, it would be obvious that some sort of social upheaval was taking place - maybe a revolution. I guess it's because no 'authority figures' have acknowledged this that people can't really be expected to notice. The signs were clear, Bernie Sanders support and early Trump support. It was clear that Bernie Sanders in particular was enjoying popularity as an alternative choice and so was Trump to a lesser extent. I should probably spend a few more sentences to hammer home the discontent in the country, the disillusionment with the political correctness, black lives matter, the vapid elitism behind the left's pandering to only minorities while the country burns, while the middle east continues to burn. People simply aren't buying it anymore. The left has been promising a 'soft' revolution for too long - change with out disrupting the status quo. The demise of the country, the demise of the working class should be obvious, but the left remains clueless.

Trump is just a symbol of discontent. Many people wanted to vote for Bernie but Mrs. Satan did not allow that to happen. So Trump becomes the de facto choice of sanity. The majority are mad and they are trying to tear down the system. So particularly to paint the Donald as some sort of shitty rise of fascism is highly dubious. It's called being out of touch.

Given the vast amount of reddit users compared to the_donald subscribers, the_donald users are over represented in this community

I'm sorry but this invalidates your entire argument by displaying your biased intent. the_donald is the most active subreddit by a large degree. Claiming they are over-represented is disingenuous, but your point wasn't to be genuine, was it? Filtered /r/all, double upvote requirements, and compromised admins deleting posts constantly isn't enough. You need to bring up FAKE data to drive home a FAKE narrative.

If you're not ShareBlue, your butthurt is showing.

Active users:

the_donald: 15k

pics: 16k

worldnews: 13k

politics: 27k

videos: 18k

funny: 35k

the_donald sure knows how to upvote everything. But they are by far not the most active subreddit user wise

But hey, what should I expect from someone who posts almost exclusively in the_donald?

But hey, what should I expect from someone who posts almost exclusively in the_donald?

I like the part where you started off as an unbiased friendly "just giving the data guys, no biases" and then you delved into the same ad-hominems that actually - let's be fucking real here - lead to more people joining that other side that you loath so much.

OH here's a good statistic I'd love to see:

The amount of people who complain about this being T_D 2.0 who also have positive postings in ETS, conspiratard, and politics.

Now that would be some spicy data.

I'm left leaning as well (Bernie supporter), but your carefully researched data is undermined by your hasty conclusion, which seems Establishment Left.

The left used to have the truth and facts on their side (i. e., when W was president). Then they became the establishment and showed W was mild, and now the Establishment Left has taken on new roles--terrorists, fascists, and bullies.

The true left is tolerant of all people, regardless of race, creed, color, or opinions. Being tolerant ends when actual violence or actual oppression is introduced. Enforced Sharia Law is both of those things.

A peaceful law abiding Muslim who does not enforce sharia law is welcome by the left. However, being tolerant of unapologetic rapists and women beaters has never been a value of the left. Shutting down freedom of speech is not a left value.

The Establishment Left pretends like Sharia Law doesn't exist or worse that it's cool to normalize. It seems they are unable to use any fact based argument, and it's obvious when you watch them debate against Ben Shapiro, Milo, Gavin M, or even Richard Spencer (sad but true, Spencer is even winning debate against Establishment Left).

So my point is you are not factoring in the above as well as the fact that there's a well established Clinton body count conspiracy. Then add in the biggest actual conspiracy right now--the media's attack on Trump, including clear highjacking of t_d.

TL; DR - I disagree

This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

ITT: a lot of users saying it's normal for a large portion of /r/conspiracy to be supportive of the President of the United States and his administration and to have positive karma in a subreddit that is a 24/7 pep rally for that President.

Now compare known crimes and possible crimes of Hillary versus trump

Didn't trump settle more cases than Hillary.

Trump University + his racially motivated evictions?

Posting in td is not indicative of much.

I make a few shit posts there occasionally for cheap karma. The majority of my comments there are regarding the active discussions regarding corruption. These posts are banned in r/[politics] posts. Because of corruption in the moderator team at politics I've been forced to find new venues to get news and discussion. I'm a stout moderate.

I'd like to see an analysis of conspiracy posters who started posting in td after politics went full retard.

Wondering, did you do a chi square or other statistical analysis on this?

cough 3 comments with a mean upvote of 4.3 =)

I maybe have to adjust my algorithm to "detect" the_donald users. As I think I have a comment in there somewhere as well but it got deleted thus I'm by my own definition not a the_donald user.

But isn't the_donald the same? Haven't seen a single critique on the_donald about trump.

It's a good comparison IMO but the sample size of hillary clinton users is really small makes the results a lot less reliable. the error margins alone are a significantly larger.

Just got banned from TD for pointing out that the Trump administration report proving presidential precedence for immigration bans was bullshit.

(If you read the report, you'll see that all of the bans were for known or suspected criminals (mostly terrorist or uprising members). The only blanket ban on the list was against Cuba which... if that's the precedent then why are we surprised that people are protesting and upset?)

TD doesn't care about reality. They don't even listen to what their own administration is saying. They read headlines and share memes and suck Donald's dick.