"incapable of holding any office" lol

What?

I'll admit, I'm also confused by this.

Paid shills are helping soros and co attack the us and Europe, their complicity in this (working as a paid shill) is an act of treason. They are ultimately working for the enemy the enemy.

I mean

No?

working to undermine a legitimately elected government... is basically levying war against them. so... yes?

Do you have proof that's what they're doing? Because I thought shills were just pretending to be accounts against trump. Nothing illegal about that, even though I don't buy it in the first place.

Astroturfing is real and illegal.

Yeah but there's no criminal penalty attached to it, just a large fine from the FEC. Far cry from treason.

FTC should bankrupt /u/spez

It's a 16,000 dollar fine. Gonna take a lot more than that to bankrupt u/spez.

Each astroturfing account should be a seperate charge. Idk honestly he just has a 10 inch butt plug right now and I wouldnt be surprised if hes a pedo with the way he quells dissent.

As much as I love a good conspiracy, and as much as I love leaving politics out of my conspiracies, you guys need to quit calling every person who disagrees with you a pedo. This isn't an attack on pizzagate, I know this sub too well for that, but lay off the "fuck that guy, must be a pedo" shit.

Im not calling him a pedo, I just said I wouldnt be surprised if he was one.

I just immediately thought of that asshat Cernovich. Guy baselessly claimed someone was a pedophile over twitter and got CPS involved.

You monster, I had a mouthful of strawberry soda!

Good lord...

These goofy sarcastic snarky responses are so lame and predictable...

It is documented that there are people who are paid to infiltrate Internet discussion forums and affect the climate of the discussion, sabotage posts, massively upvoting or downvoting certain posts and comments in an attempt to sway the climate and foundational beliefs of the sub as a whole. Links below.

Shill Campaigns Evidence

https://youtu.be/HSCjjb1HeAw

https://youtu.be/vddULW_7CcM

https://youtu.be/WsuzZX9MO1A

They often frequent this sub and many other subs where large amounts of people meet and politically and socially charged discussion occurs.

People who are doing this are covering and protecting the worst criminal elements the world has ever known. They should be held to that standard when caught and tried, which they will be.

To those who have a conscience, don't let it drag out. Join the good side. Good luck.

I think it applies. I think we can all feel this shadow war going on.

as i understand it, treason is all about the details of who / what rather than specific actions (like, say, drug dealing or murder). it seems like the people who wrote that legislation left it intentionally vague.

I think if the disinfo gets bad enough, I.e starts a war, then it should be treason.

I'd say it's a similar moral crime, but good luck having W. Bush tried for treason over lying about weapons of mass destruction lol

I was thinking more like yellow journalism starting the Spanish american war.

Doesn't it strike you in your gut as fundamentally wrong? For just myriad reasons that any self-aware person, I would think, would be able to see? What if it was legal to, say, kick dogs, and there were these people who made a game out of it: would you be like "it's not illegal so I don't know what people are getting so upset about"?

So criticism is undermining a government now? What?

Haha, nice try buddy...

We're not saying that anybody who has a differing opinion is a shill, that would be a total violation of your civil liberties, and we stand for civil liberties.

Anybody who is on the payroll of an organized and professional government disinformation forum campaign, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for being a fucking cocksucker.

So what about PACS that work towards undermining another candidate in an election? Are they shills and should be prosecuted? And you can't charge someone with being a cocksucker, nice try buddy

No. Shilling is evil. How can you not see any number of the million reasons.

Because he's calling it treason when that is such a huge stretch it's hilarious. If someone bought 10 accounts and posted all anti trump stuff, then that to you is evil? That's ridiculous

I guess I believe in people more than you.

What does that even mean lmao

Think about it.

You believe in people more? How does that relate to me not seeing the shilling doesn't = going to prison for treason.

Closer.

You don't have a point, but okay m8

Oh colder..

Lol

Not if they do it on their own time and not as part of a planned organizational plan to control speech and narratives. Reddit has become the bastion of piss. I used to love it, now I only go to 4-5 subreddits. The last straw was them removing 9ver 50 of my photography posts with over 100,000 karma (not that I care so much about karma but the principles, I do.

Still not treason, sorry.

criticism can also be libel or slander. again, as i understand it's all about the details... i'm absolutely not a lawyer though.

Libel and slander are pretty well defined, and there's about no chance someone would ever be charged with criticizing the president

I'm absoutely not a lawyer though

Clearly

the point is, the law for treason is vague enough that an activist judge could pretty easily interpret sponsored shilling as such, in the right circumstances.

the law is daffy anyway.

Treason is actually pretty specific, it's the reason it's not really charged a lot. And no, a judge or jury would not someone with treason for "shilling" against the president. It's funny that in a conspiracy forum the members are calling for those that criticize the standing president go to prison for treason. Sad!

the law OP pasted is pretty vague. is there somewhere else it's more clearly defined?

nice use of the "Sad!" btw- have an upboat.

It destroys honest discourse

Uh huh, so how do you determine who is a shill and who isn't? Bc I've seen a user who spend most of his time talking in the Harry Potter subreddit get called a shill because he had the nerve to criticize the president

I've actually been paid to picket.

I'm pretty sure everyone does it and there is nothing illegal about it.

First time was by someone running for Senate that didnt have a chance in hell to win. Other time was with labor unions.

unions have been paying people to picket forever. a lot of contracts will prevent workers from being able to strike, so they hire strikers.

I can't remember what the picket was. It wasn't a strike though. We showed up at this building downtown in a couple of mini vans(maybe a dozen of us), and we all had signs. We stuck around for maybe an hour, then took off and did our normal jobs(which was going door to door to fundraise).

My point is, I think its funny when people consider it manipulation, but from a political organizer, you are just trying to get people involved.

Lol, what is your deal?

I think it's fair to say that each of us, understanding the true scope and severity of shilling, would welcome at least the minimum punishment being delivered to each person who has profited from impersonating a real person, with the intent to manipulate entire societies, and the maximum given to those who orchestrated it.

I'm ready to start standing for principles again. Hard at first, to show we mean business.

We have different interpretations of treason.

huh?

Im sick of this notion that anyone who disagrees with you is paid opposition.

It's the go-to attack from the trump crowd.... you know, the same guy that outspent ANYONE in "digital media efforts"

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lol there are public records showing the financials of CTR. There are e-mails within the Clinton campaign discussing them specifically.

Right. I'm not denying that. But Trump and conservative superPACs have outspent anything CTR got by a margin of 20-1. Lol

Not really and I challenge you to prove it.

Sure thing:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/expenditures?id=N00023864

$35 million on just ONE media company. $24 million on another.

This isn't even counting outside spending. Donald Trump spent a MASSIVE amount of money on online advertising. Lol

Lol your source lists clinton as having spent under a billion. You gotta be more careful.

Now look at outside spending.....

Dude the amount of effort and supposition you put towards your world view should be enough to tell you what you need to know, but just in case, one of the marks of intelligence is not believing in ideas which only serve to make us feel better, or more "right". Confirmation bias and all that.

Ditto

Ok then. I mean believe obviously biased reporting if you want to, and say im guilty of the same thing for pointing it out to you. That's fair.

So you believe Hillary spent under a billion dollars on her campaign, then.

That's what I thought.

Except that it is proven that people are paid to shill on reddit. Put your fingers in your ears all you like but screaming "nope" wont change it

its hard to get fingers in their ears with their heads in their asses

And now people like you think that any person that disagrees with you is being paid, even if they aren't being paid.

By proven you mean that during the election Clinton did in fact pay to have a company work in her inline image (which is completely normal). Now it's safe to assume they also spent some time on Reddit as it a huge site.

But the election is long over. There is zero proof or even possible hints that for some reason anyone would be paying money to keep working on clintons image now.

Come on man, if you are gonna claim paid shills then back it up with something more recent than Clinton campaign funds.

Seem really annoyed that people are talking about shills for some reason

Probably because it's so fucking retarded. That's probably why.

But you can't deny that they're out there

I'm more sick of the paid shills than the few rare people who seem to think everyone that disagrees with them is a shill. Those paranoid folks don't actually cause much harm except that they insult trolls. The paid shills are all over social media and do cause legitimate problems.

How do you feel about all the Trump trolls on this subreddit?

They're just as annoying as users like you. Luckily, most of the pro-Trump people here don't troll while they're here, so I don't have to worry much about them.

Are you kidding? This sub is 75% paid Trump trolls

Paid in real money? I doubt that. But I bet their moms still buy them hot pockets.

lmao and of course your user history is littered with The_Donald submissions

The irony is that i feel most Trump shitposters are paid by Bannon himself to create misinformation and discredit internet opinions/dissent

Translation:

To reality: "lalalalalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you!!!"

There's also been a string of self posts attacking anyone who dissents against PG along with more talking about how wonderful it is to be newly converted into PG-truthers. I'm surprised more people on this sub are suspicious of this kind of thing, what with people always talking about brainwashing tactics.

Where can I sign up to get paid? I mean, tens of thousands of people are being paid to protest and post on internet forums by george soros. So where do I sign up? It seems to be pretty hard to find...I mean, how do illegals that only speak spanish find out, but I can't find out? Can one of the paid shills please pm me? Yes, I'm making fun of you. Which is fair, seeing as you kind folks (volks?) are now saying that anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of treason.

I know, right? I read about a decent paying shill-mill being run in SF, but, apparently, I wasn't on the recruitment list.

im sure nobody's paid to shill, that would be underhanded

Good lord...

These goofy sarcastic snarky responses are so lame and predictable...

It is documented that there are people who are paid to infiltrate Internet discussion forums and affect the climate of the discussion, sabotage posts, massively upvoting or downvoting certain posts and comments in an attempt to sway the climate and foundational beliefs of the sub as a whole. Links below.

Shill Campaigns Evidence

https://youtu.be/HSCjjb1HeAw

https://youtu.be/vddULW_7CcM

https://youtu.be/WsuzZX9MO1A

They often frequent this sub and many other subs where large amounts of people meet and politically and socially charged discussion occurs.

People who are doing this are covering and protecting the worst criminal elements the world has ever known. They should be held to that standard when caught and tried, which they will be.

To those who have a conscience, don't let it drag out. Join the good side. Good luck.

It's funny to me that you think the only people who disagree with you are paid to do so. You guys are so easy to manipulate. You get that a lot of people are concerned with the extreme right wing track the world seems to be on? That they disagree with practically every policy goal you guys have for legitimate reasons? That those people-hold on to your butts-have computers? That just like you they involve themselves on the internet where most political discussion happens?

But no. They're paid. They have to be. My guys told me so. No need to think about why. Their word is plenty good enough for me.

war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength

Two out of three! Let's check the last box guys! Everyone who disagrees with us is a pedophile.

Hmmm. So, serious question. If someone takes money to do propaganda for an organization who's activities are determined to be treasonous, what are they accountable for? What would the law say?

Sounds like "aid and comfort" to me.

OH SHIT

Death?

The traditional punishment for treason is much worse than death.

Fuck yes

So does "score hidden" mean what I think it means?

haha i thought it was going to just say something simple like "go fuck yourselves".

Nope

Removed. Rule 10.

Ok, so "shill" was in the title, obviously, but it was a general comment meant to spur conversation (which it did). And there were some interesting responses. It was in no way targeting any specific user, nor, judging by the comments, was it perceived that way. So I'm confused about the cause for removal. May I ask for your take on what was being communicated?

I just wanted you to understand that the conversations you are having are important but you can both do that and abide by the rules of the sub. I know you can't change the title and have already reinstated it.

Same team.

Amen brother.

I have a feeling (gleaned from lurking on 4chan) a lot of paid shills are not US citizens anyway, so...

Exactly. I have never once believed CTR and others were Americans. If they help to incite American Civil War, are they technically "enemy combatants" then? How does the U. S. legal system deal with foreign disinformation agents, if at all?

Treason, un-American, protecting traitors to America, none of these things bother these snarky, shitty trolls from India, Saudi Arabia or whatever other sandy shit-hole these slugs crawl around in.

I don't think it works that way any more. Yes, there were paid actors who targeted this reddit specifically during the wikileaks clinton drops. Most of the people you see now are actual people. Angry democrats who can't find anyone to blame. CTR has been disbanded. Soros doesn't operate on the micro level. He's funding entire movements. What you are dealing with now are zealots.

Repeatedly deflating weak arguments isn't shilling. It's perfectly warranted, sensible critique.

You have yourselves to blame.

I was thinking more like yellow journalism starting the Spanish american war.

Treason is actually pretty specific, it's the reason it's not really charged a lot. And no, a judge or jury would not someone with treason for "shilling" against the president. It's funny that in a conspiracy forum the members are calling for those that criticize the standing president go to prison for treason. Sad!

So you believe Hillary spent under a billion dollars on her campaign, then.

That's what I thought.