I'm not here to debate anything, as I'm not in a debating mood. But upvote for the message of rational and civil debate, i believe that debating is the corner stone of human advancement.
I question the intelligence of anyone that claims something to be true without having first hand knowledge of the claim. This goes for people who believe in the globe or flat earth.
I have looked through a telescope and they look like disc or just lights to me. They could be spheres but they could also not be spheres. If they are in fact spheres I would agree with you.
...and etc, etc... Tis' a shame. I'm not a FE (I've entertained the idea/theory - and have my own thoughts, but I'll listen and have a discussion), but we should be able to discuss anything civilly and rationally.
I personally really fancy Hollow or Concave Earth. I suspect there is a reason people want to shout down FE'rs, and that is because if you entertain the theory, you will uncover how many occult/esoteric secret societies are behind the Heliocentric model, and how all of a sudden the Church was like: "Yup, it's round. Forget that we said it was flat for hundreds/thousands of years. Also, sorry we burned a few people at the stake for saying it was round, clearly we were just "drunk" "...
At least, that's what I got from entertaining it for some period of time, just to see and test myself....
It started appearing overnight in r/conspiracy, a little time after PG originaly broke out
It started being circulated by complete newcomers, new accounts and other obvious shill accounts with no past history of conspiracy theorizing
It's a known debate topic/society in CIA recruitment universities
It's just plain wrong
There are not enough hours in a day to contemplate all the things we already need to be contemplating, no need to waste time with obvious bullshit. We got bigger fish to fry than disproving some rowboating cunts who think this is a debate practice opportunity.
If you're so keen to entertain the notion the world may be flat, maybe you should also entertain the notion that the shills in the sub would try different types of discrediting processes.
It started appearing overnight in r/conspiracy+, a little time after PG originaly broke out
Wrong. You are new here,
FE started gaining real momentum in 2015. Discrediting conspiracy theorists is a side-show to a phishing net. The purpose is to identify groups of people that can be easily manipulated into believing, and potentially acting upon, things that are completely counter to their previous worldview. Why? Because he who can make you believe in an absurdity can make you commit an atrocity.
I mean... Aside from the "you're new here" which both irks me on a personal level and is plain wrong, I can't really disagree with the rest of your post - except for the time at which you place the whole deal.
FE was never a thing before PG. Sure, a few people discussed it in here, but nobody really gave credence to it or discussed it nearly as much. Besides, it is well known in here that FE is a debate practice thing and not a "real" conspiracy.
Anyway, at least we agree it's a mindtrap kind of deal regardless of the timing?
I don't know if it is indeed a fast moving globe, do I? I've not had the chance to fly around on my magic carpet.I've just got the word of some some former nazi NASA employees and their legacy
Your missing the point. When you try to explain things to "unwoke" individuals and the base you pull from equally weights outlandish ideas and things based in reality, you're going to lose your intended audience.
You wouldn't take medical advice from a heroin addict.
This is the stance I take. I live my life by the philosophy of:
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-Aristotle
I'll entertain any theory, fully (ie. I will become the idea/believer) in order to fully entertain. I then research and come to my own conclusion.
There are many of us here who are like this as well, but far more who claim they are "awake" yet have not truly grasped the idea. I will end it with another quote I also live by:
Did Aristotle and Socrates speak English? Or is it possible that what we are told we know about both characters is as reliable/historical as what we are told we know about Jesus?
As for the topic of Flat Earth, it does amuse me that people get so triggered by it. Like Pavlovian conditioning. I say that as somebody who does not believe in Flat Earth.
I am not here to debate the origins of humans but a healthy but of scepticism is a fundamental part of science. I would say it is possiblle humans evolved from apes. Last I read they still have not found the missing link.
Last I read they still have not found the missing link.
This is not used by scientists. There is a clear 'progression' from our ancestors to ourselves. Just because laypeople don't understand something and use old and outdated terms doesn't mean that we don't understand the evolution of our species.
Actually missing link is used by people who doubt the claims of human evolution. Saying there is no clear fossil record of the evolution from ape to human. Since science can't find it. They just say well you are a lay person and don't understand evolution!
implying there is a 'missing' link is idiotic. that implies a 'great chain of being', a scala naturae, which evolutionary biologists do not take to anymore.
And you're clearly ignorant to human morphology and anatomy if you're saying that.
You know, you link things, says a lot of things I do wrong, but you don't really prove your point aside from pompous rhetoric. Even if I am ignorant at this field, I have other strengths. All I say is that science need a bit more than fancy language to actually prove anything.
Lol. What don't you understand? Scientists don't use 'missing link'.
You're talking about the movie Lucy. Did you know that the australopithecene Lucy had the beginnings of a bipedal pelvis and other similar humanoid morphology?
You're most welcome, the fact that it can walk on two feet doesn't mean it is a human predecessor. Isn't that like calling a dog for a cat because it use four legs?
I don't deny anything, I too believe we come from apes, what else is there? However, I have noticed those that believe in scientism. Like this lucy thing. You know that, this isn't proving anything. It was all oooh and aaah when this was found. I believe it was some norwegians, however the oohand ahh died fast, when "the missing link wasn't such a link after all". This is no proof of anything. However I see your point, this is the closest we have come. I assume.
It's possible that both creation and evolution are true. Even that both occurred in the same reality. I don't mean creation in the genesis Adam & Eve sense, but that a higher power created our universe and it was that power's will that humans eventually evolve from apes.
Both really. Im not trying to make an argument for either, I'm just saying it's pretty easy to call some things possible simply because we can't say that they are absolutely impossible.
Its been done before, and the fact that you are re-bringing this up is basically resetting the timer on the issue as if to expect a tabula rasa on the subject. Fact is, flat earthers don't like the facts, so its pointless to debate them.
At least with 911 debates there is enough knowledge of science to have as debate, with flat earthers there always comes a time when they reveal how little knowledge they have in many domains. In addition, you ask them for firsthand knowledge, and thery won't even accept that.
So no, I propose if you want to have a debate, go back in time, read EVERYTHING IN THIS SUB ABOUT FLAT EARTH and collate the arguments and counterarguments and put them into a nicely formatted reddit table. Then discuss the support and evidence for each point of view. Try to discredit yourself as much as the adversarial POV
If you do this and publish it, only then should we have a debate. Otherwise younare effectively spamming up this sub with stuff intelligent people already know is a distraction psyop
No surprise that every instance of this type of discussion begins with "belief". People can "believe" whatever they want. It doesn't make it true.
This issue shouldn't be one of belief but of verifiable evidence…and in that respect a spherical Earth wins in a landslide. How can one have a rational discussion with those that choose belief of a flawed hypothesis over verifiable evidence?
Yes and science isn't a belive system too? Can you prove the earth is a sphere and not flat?
Because if other don't believe in what you believe, doesn't mean they are irrational.
And if the evidence is that verifiable beyond doubt, why is it being questioned? I think asking question is important, regardless how stupid the topic might look.
I asked if you did the research yourself, or just believe what you are thought at school.
And please link to some source that shows that it is tested and verified beyond any doubt that this is a globe.
All I do is to ask questions about what I too learned at school, even if it is too hard to grasp.
Yes sorry for my poor English. There is a lot of scientific evidence that supports the Flat Earth model. Airplane Gyroscopes is one. If you have never researched it. I don't know how you can claim there is non.
Once you explain to me why draining water circles in opposite directions in opposite hemispheres…and why hurricanes circle in opposite directions in opposite hemispheres…why a compass needs to be recalibrated for opposite hemispheres…why you see different stars in opposite hemispheres…what volcanoes are…what satellites are orbiting…and why not one astronomer, physicist or any other scientist in 100s and 100s of years would support this ridiculous theory…then I would be willing to entertain this idiocy.
My prediction…you ignore all my questions and instead point to other "evidence" you think supports your "belief"
"My prediction…you ignore all my questions and instead point to other "evidence" you think supports your "belief"
I did not ignore your evidence. Nor did I point you do other evidence. I said your evidence does not prove we live on a ball. You never don't even bother to say how the things you listed means we live on a ball.
It seems the people that claim we live on a ball can't even provide first-hand proof that we live on a ball. It's a "belief" Thanks for playing!
Geezus you're fn dense. If it is not a ball…why is there a difference in those things I mentioned in opposite hemispheres if there are no opposite hemispheres.
You literally have no comprehension of the subject matter you're discussing…that makes you the biggest type of fool there is.
Serious question.. Is that the best proof you have? I'm not trolling, I do not believe the earth is flat or a globe. I have no idea.
The spinning drain is a myth look it up, hurricanes spinning are not proof of a ball, compass is not proof either (could be difference in magnetics), volcanoes are not proof(why would anyone think this?), Telsa the greatest scientist that ever lived did not believe in gravity or a spinning ball so your scientist claim is not true, I have read many theories on satellites, I have never seen one in person and I doubt you have, so that is not proof.
Honestly, the globe model seems like a belief as much as god, or the flat earth. I have never seen any first-hand proof we live on a spinning ball 1000 miles per hour. Almost no one has, yet billions believe it. That is called a belief.
"Could be a difference in magnetics"…could be gremlins…you have as much proof for either.
What is a volcano? Hmm?
Yeah…what did Tesla "believe" in. Tesla may not have agreed on what and why gravity is…but there is no way he denied it's fn existence…lol
No I have not seen a satellite in person…but I have seen the information they provide. Information that allows people like you and me to examine imagery and make new Earth discoveries which can be verified by analysis on the ground. Where is the info coming from if not from satellites.
Any idiot with a keyboard can hop on line and say this or that isn't true…but you then have to come up for alternate evidence for the reasons behind verifiable events.
Geezus…I have to think you and your ilk are simply disinfo trolls. There's no way a person could be this obtuse.
Telse believed in the either, not gravity. You could do this research but you won't.
I tried to have a serious convo with you but you refuse. This is why I have questions about the globe model because of misinformed people like you. I could go through and explain the rest to you but you wont research it. You will just insult me and say I don't understand it.
Seem you have a belief in the globe as much as the people you insult.
No…no you haven't. You've simply nay-sayed the available evidence providing nothing in it's place. That's willfull ignorance…the worst kind of ignorance.
Oh…and…Snopes? The last refuge of the hopelessly uninformed.
While it is difficult to perceive in household devices, in larger containers the effect is measurable. Geezus.
The spinning drain is not a myth…you look it up.
- Really? YOU look it up. And why would it explain a ball?
If hurricanes are not proof of a ball then explain their opposite behaviour in opposite hemispheres.
- But a ball does?
"Could be a difference in magnetics"…could be gremlins…you have as much proof for either.
- Balls don't have gremlins. It is balls right?
What is a volcano? Hmm?
Yeah because volcano, the earth is a pear shaped oblate.
Yeah…what did Tesla "believe" in? Tesla may not have agreed on what and why gravity is…but there is no way he denied it's fn existence…lol
- That doesn't mean it's a ball. Yet Tesla was more into electromagnetism and high frequencies. Doesn't say anything about a sphere tho.
No I have not seen a satellite in person…but I have seen the information they provide. Information that allows people like you and me to examine imagery and make new Earth discoveries which can be verified by analysis on the ground. Or track weather patterns and storms which can then be verified on the ground. Where is the info coming from if not from satellites. Where does my "satellite" tv come from?
- Maybe somewhere else? How does this prove that earth is a globe?
You never answered re: different stars in opposite hemispheres. Magnetism affecting our eyes?
- If you look at something towards the west. You expect the same view when you look to the east? How does this prove a ball?
Any idiot with a keyboard can hop on line and say this or that isn't true…but you then have to come up with alternate evidence for the reasons behind verifiable events.
- Yes we can! Still no ball proof.
Geezus…I have to think you and your ilk are simply disinfo trolls. There's no way a person could be this obtuse.
- There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Well you are the one that said you "have never seen any scientific proof of a flat earth". I gave it to you. You "explained" it with the usual mainstream explanation which has been debunked. It's obviously you have never researched FE because you would already know that. I suppose it is easy to have never seen any FE evidence if you have never researched it.
To be clear on am saying you are being intellectually dishonest. I am not actually asking you to research anything because I know you have not and I don't think you will.
Very cool! Appreciate the attention for our often neglected credo in the side bar!
This is a forum for free thinking and discussing issues which have captured the public’s imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone.
Quite some time back there were huge rages going on over 9/11 and Nukes/DEMO/DrJudyWood It was damned miserable to be in here!
Between u/Putin_loves_cats and many others, a truce was hammered out much as you're suggesting u/SacredCook! Read the sidebar, follow the rules!
Same applies to the politics and the PG stuff - Engage with sincerity, honesty and respect or skip the fuck over the thread! It really is that simple!
Was thinking about u/Mae_Brussell_Hustler today and that account is on vacation(?) always such cool, informative stuff! When you went MIA plenty of us worried.
I miss Mae (Jackboot, was just that - good riddance), always enjoyed their self posts and comments. Also, I didn't go MIA. I was put in time out for my naughtiness sometimes :/ ... I was on other boards... Anyways, cheers, sir! Hope your holding up strong!
Thanks for the kind words, and I missed you all, all those times I was put in timeout. I have only myself to blame, though. I'm here now, can't say for how long, but I will say for as long as I"m "allowed" to be...
The good flat earth model is quite intruiging actually. I'm tempted to believe it. Naturally there's tremendous amounts of garbage out there poisoning the well.
Thank you! 😊 I am a recent convert to flat earth and to me after reading as much I can find, the evidence is overwhelming that the international space program is a lie and that Flat Earthers are correct. I can't say anything 100% of course, except that we definitely have been lied to.
I completely understand why people react strongly against the theory, because I did myself when I first heard about it years ago. But after finding out that a satanic cult has been ruling humanity for God knows how long, I know there has to be some effect whether we can perceive it or not. Imho, we have been brainwashed in our schools. So I'm open to at least entertaining more out there theories.
Telescopes have always been made with a fish or wide screen lens which distort far away objects. If you have a good camera, just don't use that type of lens and zoom in on the planets and stars yourself.
Don't take a YouTube video as proof but instead, if you can, just check it out yourself. If I'm wrong, you can call me a crazy loon, but if flat Earthers are right, the truth to our reality is right above our heads.
And if this theory is correct and the rest of world finds out, we're looking at a massive paradigm shift in humanity. The end result might be really positive imho.
Doesn't prove anything. A sidenote since Hubble is in the picture, why did we never get a picture from the hubble telescope? I mean, we still use a picture from -72 that still is manipulated.
Is there not a point at which a faulty argument becomes a distraction? If a member of the group, continuously claims Red is Blue, I understand discussing it in a civil way... But after about a thousand years of it... Doesn't there come a time when the argument no longer deserves the same level of attention as others?
Of course some will see flat earth as more potent than a Red V Blue argument, but I see the reaction as similar. Those who believe in sphere earth, believe this argument has been resolved, and that further discussion is a waste of time.
This becomes an argument about the nature of truth. Does everything need to be continually proved every day to every individual? Do we as individuals, owe someone a discussion and explanation when it has been discussed and explained already?
I think that FE is something that touch a nerve somehow. We can see any other conspiracy and get sucked in. Like we know more than anyone else. Maybe we do. However, if the earth is flat, that conspiracy is much bigger than every conspiracy put together. And no one said anything for 500 years!? Because that's how long the ball has existed.
If I can say my thought of the conspiracy: It is because humans are explorers by nature. History shows it. We love to explore. And we hate to be kept captive. On a ball we have nowhere to go. In a flat earth model like Gleason's map (UN Flag), where the earth has ice walls around the world. (almost said globe :D ). And yes that is considered Antarctica. The Antarctic treaty was signed dec 1st 1959. By a lot of countries, something sticks out tho. Soviet and USA in the middle of the cold war signs treaties. I don't know, it is room for some speculation I'd assume.
It is ok to be convinced it is a globe. But make sure that you read upon FE too, it isn't all that stupid as many tries to suggest.
I think it is at least worth a respectful debate here in /r/conspiracy.
It's pretty much disproven by physics. Because of the nature of matter having gravity, extremely large objects will tend towards being a sphere. Flat earth theory is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, because if you take it to be true, any logical conclusion is immediately seen to not exist.
A lively discussion of limited topics? Distraction from things that matter, like FEMA camps and militarized police with NSA capabilities and PD's that don't know what is the constitution or bill of rights.
Did Aristotle and Socrates speak English? Or is it possible that what we are told we know about both characters is as reliable/historical as what we are told we know about Jesus?
As for the topic of Flat Earth, it does amuse me that people get so triggered by it. Like Pavlovian conditioning. I say that as somebody who does not believe in Flat Earth.
It started appearing overnight in r/conspiracy+, a little time after PG originaly broke out
Wrong. You are new here,
FE started gaining real momentum in 2015. Discrediting conspiracy theorists is a side-show to a phishing net. The purpose is to identify groups of people that can be easily manipulated into believing, and potentially acting upon, things that are completely counter to their previous worldview. Why? Because he who can make you believe in an absurdity can make you commit an atrocity.
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n/a Ornias_Abezethibou 2017-02-11
I'm not here to debate anything, as I'm not in a debating mood. But upvote for the message of rational and civil debate, i believe that debating is the corner stone of human advancement.
n/a AdalineMaj 2017-02-11
If "intelligent" encompasses flat earthers, what does that word even mean? What would make a person unintelligent?
n/a euclidsbrother 2017-02-11
The word intelligence is vague and groups various traits and virtues. Why not let us fantasize (meme) about FE even within this thread.
Quit being the crab brother.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
I question the intelligence of anyone that claims something to be true without having first hand knowledge of the claim. This goes for people who believe in the globe or flat earth.
n/a AdalineMaj 2017-02-11
I question the intelligence of someone that is unable to comprehend the clear first hand evidence of a globe earth.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Such as?
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
You can see many celestial objects with the naked eye, aided with an optical telescope.
They are all spheres, or at least, sphere like balls of some kind.
The smaller ones can be more like lumps, I must admit.
So in a universe where every single observable large celestial object is a sphere, why would the earth be any different?
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
I have looked through a telescope and they look like disc or just lights to me. They could be spheres but they could also not be spheres. If they are in fact spheres I would agree with you.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
You can see them rotate. Case closed.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
bonus
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Yeah that looks real lol.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
CGI much
n/a Treeslooklikesheep 2017-02-11
Best mindset to have when you're on r/conspiracy
n/a Whummmm 2017-02-11
There are thousands of us flat earth believers all around the globe and we're growing every day.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Why do you believe I'm a flat earth?
n/a 435435435 2017-02-11
It's a tweet apparently a fe person said, with the "around the globe" supposed to be the funny part
n/a SacredCock 2017-02-11
flat earthers around the globe? LOL
n/a 435435435 2017-02-11
Doesn't it seems odd that flat earth theory discussion, makes people so upset? It's just talking. The levels of vitriol is outrageous.
Lends me to think it may well be flat somehow, as people are seemingly deeply ingrained with such angst
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
Yup, and it's usually followed by:
...and etc, etc... Tis' a shame. I'm not a FE (I've entertained the idea/theory - and have my own thoughts, but I'll listen and have a discussion), but we should be able to discuss anything civilly and rationally.
I personally really fancy Hollow or Concave Earth. I suspect there is a reason people want to shout down FE'rs, and that is because if you entertain the theory, you will uncover how many occult/esoteric secret societies are behind the Heliocentric model, and how all of a sudden the Church was like: "Yup, it's round. Forget that we said it was flat for hundreds/thousands of years. Also, sorry we burned a few people at the stake for saying it was round, clearly we were just "drunk" "...
At least, that's what I got from entertaining it for some period of time, just to see and test myself....
n/a VLXS 2017-02-11
FE is 100% a discrediting ploy:
It started appearing overnight in r/conspiracy, a little time after PG originaly broke out
It started being circulated by complete newcomers, new accounts and other obvious shill accounts with no past history of conspiracy theorizing
It's a known debate topic/society in CIA recruitment universities
It's just plain wrong
There are not enough hours in a day to contemplate all the things we already need to be contemplating, no need to waste time with obvious bullshit. We got bigger fish to fry than disproving some rowboating cunts who think this is a debate practice opportunity.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
Wrong. You seem new here...
n/a VLXS 2017-02-11
Wrong. Am not.
If you're so keen to entertain the notion the world may be flat, maybe you should also entertain the notion that the shills in the sub would try different types of discrediting processes.
n/a SokarRostau 2017-02-11
Wrong. You are new here,
FE started gaining real momentum in 2015. Discrediting conspiracy theorists is a side-show to a phishing net. The purpose is to identify groups of people that can be easily manipulated into believing, and potentially acting upon, things that are completely counter to their previous worldview. Why? Because he who can make you believe in an absurdity can make you commit an atrocity.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
So weird, most people I follow just think the earth "might" be flat. It's like they have a healthy distrust of authority.
n/a VLXS 2017-02-11
I mean... Aside from the "you're new here" which both irks me on a personal level and is plain wrong, I can't really disagree with the rest of your post - except for the time at which you place the whole deal.
FE was never a thing before PG. Sure, a few people discussed it in here, but nobody really gave credence to it or discussed it nearly as much. Besides, it is well known in here that FE is a debate practice thing and not a "real" conspiracy.
Anyway, at least we agree it's a mindtrap kind of deal regardless of the timing?
n/a Nozx 2017-02-11
drop some truth about the world Oh I bet you believe the earth is flat too. It discredits legitimate information, and gives an easy cop out.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-11
I don't know if it is indeed a fast moving globe, do I? I've not had the chance to fly around on my magic carpet.I've just got the word of some some former nazi NASA employees and their legacy
n/a Nozx 2017-02-11
Your missing the point. When you try to explain things to "unwoke" individuals and the base you pull from equally weights outlandish ideas and things based in reality, you're going to lose your intended audience.
You wouldn't take medical advice from a heroin addict.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-11
Your making a lot of outlandish allegations
You certainly seen the issue worthy or so it seems, giving an audience
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
This is the stance I take. I live my life by the philosophy of:
-Aristotle
I'll entertain any theory, fully (ie. I will become the idea/believer) in order to fully entertain. I then research and come to my own conclusion.
There are many of us here who are like this as well, but far more who claim they are "awake" yet have not truly grasped the idea. I will end it with another quote I also live by:
-Socrates
n/a DumbledoreSays 2017-02-11
Did Aristotle and Socrates speak English? Or is it possible that what we are told we know about both characters is as reliable/historical as what we are told we know about Jesus?
As for the topic of Flat Earth, it does amuse me that people get so triggered by it. Like Pavlovian conditioning. I say that as somebody who does not believe in Flat Earth.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Not believing humans evolved from "apes" (an ape like ancestor) is ridiculous. I see people deny science when they don't understand it.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
How about just being sceptical of the claim? Are there not other possibilities?
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Present some.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
I am not here to debate the origins of humans but a healthy but of scepticism is a fundamental part of science. I would say it is possiblle humans evolved from apes. Last I read they still have not found the missing link.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
This is not used by scientists. There is a clear 'progression' from our ancestors to ourselves. Just because laypeople don't understand something and use old and outdated terms doesn't mean that we don't understand the evolution of our species.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Actually missing link is used by people who doubt the claims of human evolution. Saying there is no clear fossil record of the evolution from ape to human. Since science can't find it. They just say well you are a lay person and don't understand evolution!
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
The missing link comes from medieval theology, not science.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Yep that's one theory
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Right. Missing link is medieval theology.
Care to tell me another scientific theory of human evolution?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Have you seen Lucy?
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Nope. I've heard of it. What about it? Is it a realistic hypothesis on human origins? If not then I don't care.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Yes if https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus) is "the missing link". You have to be one hell of a salesman to convince anyone.
I agree on the missing link term tho, to me it looks like the entire chain is missing in this case.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
implying there is a 'missing' link is idiotic. that implies a 'great chain of being', a scala naturae, which evolutionary biologists do not take to anymore.
And you're clearly ignorant to human morphology and anatomy if you're saying that.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
You know, you link things, says a lot of things I do wrong, but you don't really prove your point aside from pompous rhetoric. Even if I am ignorant at this field, I have other strengths. All I say is that science need a bit more than fancy language to actually prove anything.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
So we should ignore that the missing link? And believe theorizing scientists with absolute no proof whatsoever.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Lol. What don't you understand? Scientists don't use 'missing link'.
You're talking about the movie Lucy. Did you know that the australopithecene Lucy had the beginnings of a bipedal pelvis and other similar humanoid morphology?
Do you know what the word theory means?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Fancy schmancy wording, it is an ape. Nothing else.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
lol. thanks for the laugh. It had the beginnings of bipedality. Do you know what that means?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
You're most welcome, the fact that it can walk on two feet doesn't mean it is a human predecessor. Isn't that like calling a dog for a cat because it use four legs?
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Lucy's skeletal morphology is similar to ours. Read:
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/370/1663/20140063
Please read at least the beginning.
Do you deny human evolution for religous reasons?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
I don't deny anything, I too believe we come from apes, what else is there? However, I have noticed those that believe in scientism. Like this lucy thing. You know that, this isn't proving anything. It was all oooh and aaah when this was found. I believe it was some norwegians, however the oohand ahh died fast, when "the missing link wasn't such a link after all". This is no proof of anything. However I see your point, this is the closest we have come. I assume.
n/a B12awley 2017-02-11
It's possible that both creation and evolution are true. Even that both occurred in the same reality. I don't mean creation in the genesis Adam & Eve sense, but that a higher power created our universe and it was that power's will that humans eventually evolve from apes.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
Is there empirical evidence, or is it "based on faith"?
n/a 435435435 2017-02-11
It's surprising the proof the earth is flat and still.
And the lack of proof it's a multi directional , super fast moving globe.
When u look into it a bit.
n/a B12awley 2017-02-11
Both really. Im not trying to make an argument for either, I'm just saying it's pretty easy to call some things possible simply because we can't say that they are absolutely impossible.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Prove it.
n/a SearcingForTruth 2017-02-11
And what would you accept as evidence? May I ask why you deny that Man evolved from apelike ancestors?
The fossil record proves it.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Upvoted because civil discourse is very important.
n/a 911bodysnatchers322 2017-02-11
No.
Its been done before, and the fact that you are re-bringing this up is basically resetting the timer on the issue as if to expect a tabula rasa on the subject. Fact is, flat earthers don't like the facts, so its pointless to debate them.
At least with 911 debates there is enough knowledge of science to have as debate, with flat earthers there always comes a time when they reveal how little knowledge they have in many domains. In addition, you ask them for firsthand knowledge, and thery won't even accept that.
So no, I propose if you want to have a debate, go back in time, read EVERYTHING IN THIS SUB ABOUT FLAT EARTH and collate the arguments and counterarguments and put them into a nicely formatted reddit table. Then discuss the support and evidence for each point of view. Try to discredit yourself as much as the adversarial POV
If you do this and publish it, only then should we have a debate. Otherwise younare effectively spamming up this sub with stuff intelligent people already know is a distraction psyop
n/a 911bodysnatchers322 2017-02-11
Post this at CST
Flat earth is an intelligence test
n/a VLXS 2017-02-11
Tru dat. One must be pretty damn stupid to believe in this shit, and ever stupider to believe they can convince others of the same.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
No surprise that every instance of this type of discussion begins with "belief". People can "believe" whatever they want. It doesn't make it true.
This issue shouldn't be one of belief but of verifiable evidence…and in that respect a spherical Earth wins in a landslide. How can one have a rational discussion with those that choose belief of a flawed hypothesis over verifiable evidence?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Yes and science isn't a belive system too? Can you prove the earth is a sphere and not flat? Because if other don't believe in what you believe, doesn't mean they are irrational. And if the evidence is that verifiable beyond doubt, why is it being questioned? I think asking question is important, regardless how stupid the topic might look.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
Science, by it's very nature, is predicated on evidence that can be tested and verified. Globe Earth has been tested and verified.
Is water really wet? Discuss.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
I asked if you did the research yourself, or just believe what you are thought at school. And please link to some source that shows that it is tested and verified beyond any doubt that this is a globe.
All I do is to ask questions about what I too learned at school, even if it is too hard to grasp.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
If you are not already aware of the available evidence for a globe Earth I have neither the time, nor the crayons, to explain it to you.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Just as I thought, thanks for playing.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Are aware the FE model is based on scientific evidence?
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
I are aware that all these comments from different posters appear to be written by the same person with the same tenuous grasp of English.
There is no scientific "evidence" to prove a flat earth…now fuck off with this nonsense.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Yes sorry for my poor English. There is a lot of scientific evidence that supports the Flat Earth model. Airplane Gyroscopes is one. If you have never researched it. I don't know how you can claim there is non.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
Once you explain to me why draining water circles in opposite directions in opposite hemispheres…and why hurricanes circle in opposite directions in opposite hemispheres…why a compass needs to be recalibrated for opposite hemispheres…why you see different stars in opposite hemispheres…what volcanoes are…what satellites are orbiting…and why not one astronomer, physicist or any other scientist in 100s and 100s of years would support this ridiculous theory…then I would be willing to entertain this idiocy.
Until then…I'm done with this shite.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
My reply will is nothing you listed proves the earth is a ball. The fact you think they are proof is very sad.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
Prediction confirmed. Thanks for playing.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
"My prediction…you ignore all my questions and instead point to other "evidence" you think supports your "belief"
I did not ignore your evidence. Nor did I point you do other evidence. I said your evidence does not prove we live on a ball. You never don't even bother to say how the things you listed means we live on a ball.
It seems the people that claim we live on a ball can't even provide first-hand proof that we live on a ball. It's a "belief" Thanks for playing!
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
Geezus you're fn dense. If it is not a ball…why is there a difference in those things I mentioned in opposite hemispheres if there are no opposite hemispheres.
You literally have no comprehension of the subject matter you're discussing…that makes you the biggest type of fool there is.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Serious question.. Is that the best proof you have? I'm not trolling, I do not believe the earth is flat or a globe. I have no idea.
The spinning drain is a myth look it up, hurricanes spinning are not proof of a ball, compass is not proof either (could be difference in magnetics), volcanoes are not proof(why would anyone think this?), Telsa the greatest scientist that ever lived did not believe in gravity or a spinning ball so your scientist claim is not true, I have read many theories on satellites, I have never seen one in person and I doubt you have, so that is not proof.
Honestly, the globe model seems like a belief as much as god, or the flat earth. I have never seen any first-hand proof we live on a spinning ball 1000 miles per hour. Almost no one has, yet billions believe it. That is called a belief.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
The spinning drain is not a myth…you look it up.
"Could be a difference in magnetics"…could be gremlins…you have as much proof for either.
What is a volcano? Hmm?
Yeah…what did Tesla "believe" in. Tesla may not have agreed on what and why gravity is…but there is no way he denied it's fn existence…lol
No I have not seen a satellite in person…but I have seen the information they provide. Information that allows people like you and me to examine imagery and make new Earth discoveries which can be verified by analysis on the ground. Where is the info coming from if not from satellites.
Any idiot with a keyboard can hop on line and say this or that isn't true…but you then have to come up for alternate evidence for the reasons behind verifiable events.
Geezus…I have to think you and your ilk are simply disinfo trolls. There's no way a person could be this obtuse.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Spinning drain myth - http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp
Telse believed in the either, not gravity. You could do this research but you won't.
I tried to have a serious convo with you but you refuse. This is why I have questions about the globe model because of misinformed people like you. I could go through and explain the rest to you but you wont research it. You will just insult me and say I don't understand it.
Seem you have a belief in the globe as much as the people you insult.
n/a swansong19 2017-02-11
No…no you haven't. You've simply nay-sayed the available evidence providing nothing in it's place. That's willfull ignorance…the worst kind of ignorance.
Oh…and…Snopes? The last refuge of the hopelessly uninformed.
While it is difficult to perceive in household devices, in larger containers the effect is measurable. Geezus.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/06/03/coriolis_effect_proving_it_does_work_differently_in_different_hemispheres.html
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
I do not think that is accurate. Please elaborate, as I have never seen any "scientific evidence" that would indicate the world is flat.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Maybe you have never researched it but a gyroscope on an airplane suggest the earth is flat. The evidence if out there if you research it.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
This is a misunderstanding of how avionic gyroscopes work.
They are designed to "self level" over time, to compensate for the fact that the Earth is round.
Old ones used things like a weighted ball attached to the bottom, but newer ones use a variety of technologies.
One such technology is called "pendulous vanes," for vacuum gyroscopes.
Does this answer your question about the airplane gyroscopes, or would you like me to elaborate more?
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
I guess you have never really looked into it because everything you just said has been explained.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
I just explained it. wtf are you talking about?
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Everything you "explained" has already been debunked
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-11
I just debunked your theory.
If you care to disagree, that's your right. If you have some coherent argument why my debunking is invalid, I'd love to hear it.
But this "go look it up" thing is bullshit, and meaningless.
n/a SpaceFireKitten 2017-02-11
Well you are the one that said you "have never seen any scientific proof of a flat earth". I gave it to you. You "explained" it with the usual mainstream explanation which has been debunked. It's obviously you have never researched FE because you would already know that. I suppose it is easy to have never seen any FE evidence if you have never researched it.
To be clear on am saying you are being intellectually dishonest. I am not actually asking you to research anything because I know you have not and I don't think you will.
n/a ridestraight 2017-02-11
Very cool! Appreciate the attention for our often neglected credo in the side bar!
Quite some time back there were huge rages going on over 9/11 and Nukes/DEMO/DrJudyWood It was damned miserable to be in here!
Between u/Putin_loves_cats and many others, a truce was hammered out much as you're suggesting u/SacredCook! Read the sidebar, follow the rules!
Same applies to the politics and the PG stuff - Engage with sincerity, honesty and respect or skip the fuck over the thread! It really is that simple!
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
I wonder what ever happened to good ole' Jackboot (Jacky boy)... Haven't seen him around here in ages.....
n/a ridestraight 2017-02-11
Oooo - you're right! Cantankerous little fucker!
Was thinking about u/Mae_Brussell_Hustler today and that account is on vacation(?) always such cool, informative stuff! When you went MIA plenty of us worried.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
I miss Mae (Jackboot, was just that - good riddance), always enjoyed their self posts and comments. Also, I didn't go MIA. I was put in time out for my naughtiness sometimes :/ ... I was on other boards... Anyways, cheers, sir! Hope your holding up strong!
n/a ridestraight 2017-02-11
Nah, you were missed. ;}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk_VszbZa_s
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
Thanks for the kind words, and I missed you all, all those times I was put in timeout. I have only myself to blame, though. I'm here now, can't say for how long, but I will say for as long as I"m "allowed" to be...
n/a ridestraight 2017-02-11
Where's my song ya slacker! jk
Dream great dreams, reddit! Dream well!
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-02-11
Where is my manners, lol.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlBTPITo1I
:). Sleep well, sir...
n/a ridestraight 2017-02-11
Hang in there. Whatever it is. Okay...
I'm plowing the new links so...
n/a ksdreger 2017-02-11
My impatience and intolerance reflects my self-righteousness in the position I have taken.
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
It is actually interesting to see the replies here. A few says, I am not a Flat earther, but... Where have I heard that before?
I am not a racist, but...
Kudos to the OP tho, I think there is a lot of FE'er sitting on the fence on reddit to see the progress of their own conviction.
n/a peanutwrath66 2017-02-11
The good flat earth model is quite intruiging actually. I'm tempted to believe it. Naturally there's tremendous amounts of garbage out there poisoning the well.
n/a wellfasted 2017-02-11
The earth may not be flat in its entirety, but the animal farm we live in sure is.
Its the true man show, and your part of the cast.
n/a Toonath 2017-02-11
Thank you! 😊 I am a recent convert to flat earth and to me after reading as much I can find, the evidence is overwhelming that the international space program is a lie and that Flat Earthers are correct. I can't say anything 100% of course, except that we definitely have been lied to.
I completely understand why people react strongly against the theory, because I did myself when I first heard about it years ago. But after finding out that a satanic cult has been ruling humanity for God knows how long, I know there has to be some effect whether we can perceive it or not. Imho, we have been brainwashed in our schools. So I'm open to at least entertaining more out there theories.
Telescopes have always been made with a fish or wide screen lens which distort far away objects. If you have a good camera, just don't use that type of lens and zoom in on the planets and stars yourself.
Don't take a YouTube video as proof but instead, if you can, just check it out yourself. If I'm wrong, you can call me a crazy loon, but if flat Earthers are right, the truth to our reality is right above our heads.
And if this theory is correct and the rest of world finds out, we're looking at a massive paradigm shift in humanity. The end result might be really positive imho.
n/a istalkezreddit 2017-02-11
r/flatearth
n/a justinxduff 2017-02-11
https://gfycat.com/DecimalDentalAmericancrocodile
n/a SacredCock 2017-02-11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg&t=186s
n/a justinxduff 2017-02-11
Tea that shows a curve lol
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Yeah 2 vids with fisheye lense really debunked FE..
n/a justinxduff 2017-02-11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
Doesn't prove anything. A sidenote since Hubble is in the picture, why did we never get a picture from the hubble telescope? I mean, we still use a picture from -72 that still is manipulated.
n/a Zer0eater 2017-02-11
Is there not a point at which a faulty argument becomes a distraction? If a member of the group, continuously claims Red is Blue, I understand discussing it in a civil way... But after about a thousand years of it... Doesn't there come a time when the argument no longer deserves the same level of attention as others?
Of course some will see flat earth as more potent than a Red V Blue argument, but I see the reaction as similar. Those who believe in sphere earth, believe this argument has been resolved, and that further discussion is a waste of time.
This becomes an argument about the nature of truth. Does everything need to be continually proved every day to every individual? Do we as individuals, owe someone a discussion and explanation when it has been discussed and explained already?
n/a Hunneren 2017-02-11
I think that FE is something that touch a nerve somehow. We can see any other conspiracy and get sucked in. Like we know more than anyone else. Maybe we do. However, if the earth is flat, that conspiracy is much bigger than every conspiracy put together. And no one said anything for 500 years!? Because that's how long the ball has existed.
If I can say my thought of the conspiracy: It is because humans are explorers by nature. History shows it. We love to explore. And we hate to be kept captive. On a ball we have nowhere to go. In a flat earth model like Gleason's map (UN Flag), where the earth has ice walls around the world. (almost said globe :D ). And yes that is considered Antarctica. The Antarctic treaty was signed dec 1st 1959. By a lot of countries, something sticks out tho. Soviet and USA in the middle of the cold war signs treaties. I don't know, it is room for some speculation I'd assume.
It is ok to be convinced it is a globe. But make sure that you read upon FE too, it isn't all that stupid as many tries to suggest.
I think it is at least worth a respectful debate here in /r/conspiracy.
n/a prop_synch 2017-02-11
Someone who tells you the Earth is flat is doing you a favor. They are informing you, "I am incapable of rational thought."
n/a jstock23 2017-02-11
It's pretty much disproven by physics. Because of the nature of matter having gravity, extremely large objects will tend towards being a sphere. Flat earth theory is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, because if you take it to be true, any logical conclusion is immediately seen to not exist.
n/a justinxduff 2017-02-11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law
n/a venCiere 2017-02-11
A lively discussion of limited topics? Distraction from things that matter, like FEMA camps and militarized police with NSA capabilities and PD's that don't know what is the constitution or bill of rights.
n/a DumbledoreSays 2017-02-11
Did Aristotle and Socrates speak English? Or is it possible that what we are told we know about both characters is as reliable/historical as what we are told we know about Jesus?
As for the topic of Flat Earth, it does amuse me that people get so triggered by it. Like Pavlovian conditioning. I say that as somebody who does not believe in Flat Earth.
n/a SokarRostau 2017-02-11
Wrong. You are new here,
FE started gaining real momentum in 2015. Discrediting conspiracy theorists is a side-show to a phishing net. The purpose is to identify groups of people that can be easily manipulated into believing, and potentially acting upon, things that are completely counter to their previous worldview. Why? Because he who can make you believe in an absurdity can make you commit an atrocity.