Well Said. I'm in, Except with anyone who calls Taylor Swift a tranny. Other than that I'm Good...,

there were a few posts about it yesterday. Haters gonna hate.

It happened yesterday. THOSE types should be Banned!!!

But have you examined the evidence yet?

She is Chaste. On our honeymoon the Truth shall be Revealed. Wish me well....

| She is Chaste.

I smell a conspiracy.

LOL.

So are we going to get rid of some mods or anything? I don't frequent other subs very much, so I missed the entire Russia conspiracy because of all the deleted posts. I appreciate the apology, but is there going to be any action taken?

Thanks AATA. While we certainly can't or should not agree with everything everyone says, if truth is the ultimate goal then agreeing to pursue it using fair etiquette should be the norm. Nothing red flags a shill faster than aggressive insulting biased posts.

I was attacked by an idiot on this sub a while ago and you have banned me because I was defending myself. The guy that attacked me reported me and you banned me instead of him. You need to do a better job at investigating. I forgive you however.

I have created a new account. I tried to reason with you guys to no avail. I was ignored and sad for a couple of days. The least you could have done is to ban the bastard too. Never mind the past. The future is glowing !

Thank you. Your reply genuinely makes the situation better!

Thank you. You will be my go-to guy if anything happens. Much love !

PM me any time if something of that nature happens again

You're assuring us modmail is broken. Why not fix that first?

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I'm on final warning for calling a dude a @$!?&%# racist €#%¥! like 3 times in one thread. (Granted, the 2nd & third insults were downright European in creativity.) Then the warning-happy mod who didn't like my {ahem} colorful descriptives resigned.

Then, I went for like ever not knowing I was on final warning til I insulted another mod. (To be fair, I was unaware he was a mod, and I miiiiight have been a tiny bit high.) Said mod was all, "check yourself, final warning, girl." Major oh-snap moment right there!

THEN, I was like, "final warning sucks," and he said contact the mod who quit. I did & ex-mod said pretty much, "idk you, pleb."

So now - I am fast & loose on final warning, all hangin' halfway off the cliff. I'm not appealing or anything, just thought you guys might find this story amusing. I promise to be extra nice when y'all ban me for calling some idiot a @&$<%* or a €£¥^+#!

Cheers!

Hey yo. Don't take my edginess away! Lol.

Seriously tho? I'm gonna get banned at some point. People come in here and say insanely derrogitory things. Sometimes, it's ignorable, but I know me, and sometimes, ya just can't let things slide and still be a decent human.

It's all good. I generally behave. I'll appeal if/when I ever need to. :)

Meanwhile, I'm saving my extra-creative name-calling for when it might really count. :)

Nah, Assuredly said it and I agree as you're a decent enough user and don't only participate here to argue politics or discredit conspiracies. Warning downgraded.

Shhhhh. Our crush is secret, honey. ❤❤

Plus - this one guy - omg I'm about to find a new continent of words.

Erm... Awkward. I'm just glad my wife hates reddit :)

Online! Online! Perfectly online. Lol

This is one of the reasons why I love this sub so much. You mods are the most down-to-earth and fair on this god forsaken website. Especially to those of us who are genuine, but go a little bat shit every now and then (cough--me--cough). Cheers, mate. Hows the startup going (Assuredly a News Agency), lol? Been a while since you've posted a hot-off-the-press report :(

that is so weird. I was banned, I calmly messaged the mods asking for forgiveness with a promise to change my behavior. They messaged me within an hour, talked with them explaining myself politely. I was reinstated and hasn't been a problem since.

Next time just try being nice.

You have no clue of my attitude when I appealed. So please...

True, I do not. My apologies.

Settled ;)

MFW /r/conspiracy is taken over by /r/wholesomememes

It's disgusting

now kith

How sad were u on a scale of 0- HRC Supporters at her Victory Party?

Lolz

If you are banned how do you comment?

Are you serious? No, really, was that you being serious?

This happened to me one time too. Guy called me a shill, I called him one back. Turns out that guy was a mod.

Now my username is ruleten. Please note the rule on the sidebar.

(It's bullshit)

You are not the first person to have been banned by an angry mod from this sub and you won't be the last.

The rules don't apply to the T_D leadership of this place.

Ban me guys, BAN ME

Removed. Ruleten.

just wow.....

I'm not quite sure why so many people are treating this post as an opportunity to throw empty criticisms at the mods. Usual rules still apply.

It's not an empty criticism, it was a sourced criticism of a moderator with dozens of examples.

In fact, many many users have a problem with that moderator in question, and I have been approached by them repeatedly.

I've spoken with him directly as well, and we agree to disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that the behavior was in my eyes, out of line. Many people would concur.

How does silencing the user base on the topic of how they are being treated by their own moderators represent /r/conspiracy in any way?

Isn't it authority most of us oppose to begin with?

Participating on /r/conspiracy without being banned is actually pretty easy - I managed it for years despite having comments/posts removed, and disagreeing strongly with certain mods on occasion.

If you haven't noticed, this sub has been under attack since just before the US elections. We have had to ban an unprecedented number of (mostly unknown) users for abuse and attacking the sub during this 3-4 month period. It has got to the stage where there is very little tolerance for users who break Rule 10.

I appreciate you taking the time to discuss the issues. Obviously I oppose rule ten, given my username, but I still try my best to abide by it.

We all have common goals here even if our ideologies don't match.

Why are we not allowed to call out a shill when they are clearly one? People getting banned for that seems like some ass!

Your post was removed, were you talking about a certain mod's notorious anti-semitism?

Um, because of shit like this? You guys are absolutely retarded with your removal choices. I get it, you can't see EVERY comment, but the shit you do remove can be in a sea of shit and it's obvious why you remove the comments you do. Grow some skin please

Can I take a wild guess and say the mod who banned you was Flytape?

you won the prize

Removed. ruleten.

So you knowingly broke a rule got punishment and you're still angry about it?

You young account has nothing but snarky comments and cheap insults. Maybe you do deserve to be banned.

Bullshit. Find those with the context and post them so we can debate them.

What is there to verify? All UFO photos are horrible quality low res, it's almost insulting to the actual phenomena.

Yea guys remember to be civil that way the mods can have an easier job of removing comments that hurt their feelings and leaving up comments like this. Seriously, this post is fucking hilarious. Mods, just leave us alone and remove the spammers.

I think you're in the wrong thread. No UFOs here.It's a mod reminder.

I'm responding to the posts you make that get shitted on, there's not much to go by with your young account.

Respond with your brain diarrhea in the proper thread. We're on a different topic here.

By acting like a douche and going to default asshole mode, you are showing complete inability of having a discussion. You feel like every comment is attacking you, but you ignore your own behavior. Did you ever think about that? Maybe people don't appreciate having random strangers coming at them sideways?

I'm merely responding to a frustrated asshole trying to herd people around like sheep. I have a right to disagree with you. You're blocked ! Have a great day!

You took the bait. You'd already have been gutted, cooked, and eaten if you were a fish. The mods should be banning knee-jerk reactors as well as those who start trouble. There should be a level of both that are tolerated though, and it's up to the mods to decide who's crossing the line. Shills should be banned instantly and without warning, but a couple guys going back and forth ruthlessly should just be warned. Mods aren't attack dogs or law enforcement agents. With all the action around here lately, you're focusing on the least of things.

I havent report anyone ever in any forum in my life. But in my experience those who report are the ones who are are the worst. Mods across the internet should ban people who report others

I see where are you going with this but it is a vital piece of the working structure of internet forums. I understand what you're saying though.

I would like to mention that the fucking National Secutity Advisor of US has ties to Russia. Was this even once discussed before in this sub? A friendly reminder to all the Trump supporters to not just follow a dear leader and maybe, just maybe, to not call everyone who rightly criticises Trump of being nothing more than a Russian puppet a "shill".

You were always free to start that thread. I had been preoccupied with Wikipedia and the Russia thing seemed like the boy who cried wolf so I wasn't paying attention. I read an article where this was predicted - the media would condition to not respond by being wrong so often.

Which would have been downvoted to hell, because so many of you are in denial or even worse, have fallen for alt-right propaganda.

A lot of people read down voted things, we know the voting system can be rigged. No need to let a negative reaction stop you.

Truth.

Ive been banned before for speaking against the alt right

Me as well.

+1 -- this is why we (the mod team) sort of dont really reply to people bitching about "this sub is no longer about conspiracies -- its all about [Whatever now!!!1]

The thing is - we are mods who, as this actual thread is all about, are trying to keep the overall container of this community civil, interesting and, as much as possible, not fucked - for lack of a better term... however -- reddit is all about user submitted content. If you don't see what content you want here, then it's actually your obligation as a /u/ to submit that which you would like sen/discussed.

participate....

For years, though, myself and likely thousands of others wish we could have sub /r/r/ (e.g.; /r/conspiracy/UFOs) and allow for buckets of content like that....

We can do filters, but I, personally, would like to be able to filter like the above, and then allow people to unsubscribe from any sub-/r/ they don't like... and then others can go to /r/conspiracy/all/ to see everything.... but yeah...

Anyway - just so you know we mods do talk about these issues.

Make the thread. This is a post about ettiquette. Quit piggy backing.

Why post your political agenda in a sticky devoted to sub operations? Are you daft?

My intention was to mention the shill-calling, which definitely belongs in a stickied post about ettiquette.

This is a state-of-the-sub post. It was not an invitation for you to make 15 whiny comments (count them) complaining about Trump supporters. Desist.

Most of them were replies.

Whiny? And that coming from a mod. Wow. I am trying to state facts and reply to people. Look at the comments again if you want. And I am on topic because shill-calling is in fact a problem here. Discrediting opinions like that is counterproductive for healthy discussions. Did I hit a nerve with mentioning Trump? I apologize to you then, if that's the case. But that won't change the fact that blindly following Trump or any "leader" in this regard, is a very bad idea.

Removed. Look up "desist".

You seem to have a very different view on what is civil and what isn't civil. You take issue with a guy talking about Trump supporters, but not the guy(EricCarver) that is calling another user stupid(daft) .

Regular users of this sub are fed up with people derailing conversations by constantly bringing everything back to Trump, meta-complaints about Trump, Trump supporters, pro-Trump bias etc.

You are trying to strangle conversation in this sub and it isn't going to work. Calling someone "daft" is unlikely, in itself, to trigger Rule 4.

Im actually on subject in this thread, as it is about the state of the thread and civility. Im giving out a critique, and calling you out for being uncivil. Please explain how Iam trying to "strangle the conversation" ?

Wrong. This is about dealing with banning and following the rules. Probably should read the top again.

This sub, as listed in our tag-line, is about free thought. However, civility is the enabling condition for free discussion and to that end we will do our best to ensure that such an ethos is protected.

So please, weigh out your arguments for any position you may hold on a topic in a manner that doesn't include attacks, insults, doxxing, or otherwise callous and rude behavior.

I read the whole thing. Here is what I was refrerring to.^

This sub, as listed in our tag-line,

Funny since you are an anti-conspiracy r/politics subscriber who trucking LOVES the MSM, NWO, globalism etc.

This is hardly "your" sub. You're the exact type of person this sub is against. Fuck off back to your disgusting little safespace.

Rule 4.

I'm a regular user and no I'm not fed up by that. I'm fed up with the number of individuals in here who will mindlessly follow DT off a cliff and attempt to limit any discussion that makes him or his administration look bad in any way.

I'm fed up with the number of individuals in here who will mindlessly follow DT off a cliff and attempt to limit any discussion that makes him or his administration look bad in any way.

Which this particular mod interjection seems to propagate, and I fully agree with you.

Calling someone daft who isn't going against the mod-approved narrative isn't going to trigger rule 4.

I think that is what you wanted to say.

Look at why I used the word daft upstream in that thread. If you feel his use of bringing politics into a state of the sub thread, then you actually confirm what the mod was saying.

Censoring posts on a conspiracy thread? How are you a mod here?

Really man? You are a mod?

Let the mods do their job. Poster is derailing the post.

And he could have simply stated that. Calling his comments "whiny" is inserting his opinion into the matter, and was not needed and certainly not civil.

There's nothing wrong with calling out a complaining post. There is an issue when posters try to debate the issue on a topic that's their own.

Thread derailed

Holy shit this is a mod response? how can a mod behave like such a child? You will call out Him for posting about non stop "shill" calling in a STATE OF YHE SUB post, which is totally relevant. But he gets some snarky bitchy answer from you? Meanwhile there's literally hundreds of comments here complaining about "CTR shills" and you say nothing? Wow.

Removed. Rule 4.

Legitimately would like to know how you became a mod because your post and comment history reads pretty poorly for someone in your position.

The same one that got fired for calling out the last administration for arming ISIS? Sounds like the problem is the intelligence agencies more than Russia.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/08/07/rise-of-islamic-state-was-a-willful-decision-former-dia-chief-michael-flynn/

And by connections to Russia you mean he spoke to the Russian ambassador? Gasp !!!

The most interesting conspiracy of our age!!!!!!!!!

woooo woooooo wooooo woooooo wooooo!!!!

Until you guys start cracking down on those who scream "SHILL, "CTR", "Shareblue", etc. it's difficult to take you guys at your word.

I'd estimate about half the posts here are shill accusations.

What's worse is that some users don't literally call me a shill, but imply that I am, by pointing at my comment history, the age of my account, etc.

These people should be punished too.

It's gotten a lot harder to rationally discuss and debate certain topics here, over the last few months.

I rarely see people who indirectly accuse me of being a shill getting punished, but maybe that's just my confirmation bias....

Paid online operatives may be real, but there is zero way to prove someone is or isn't one. It's all based off of their beliefs. So, if I try debunking PizzaGate, does that mean I'm a Clinton paid operative working to cover up the crime for her?

It's impossible to prove or disprove someone's a paid shill. Moreover, what is the net benefit of this? Are most shill accusations right or wrong? I'd wager most are wrong, so they end up hurting overall discourse rather than stopping real shills.

Eglin just happened to show a large amount of activity. Wouldn't most people there be young guys, surfing the web?

From my research on Russian astroturfing, it seems a VPN is used to make the account look like it's coming elsewhere.

That the folks over the Eglin didn't bother to mask their appearance tells me they have nothing to hide.

As for JTRIG, there's no proof they are on this sub trying to hide stuff. We know this because the leaked documents indicate they used their dirty tactics on the Taliban, manipulated public discourse about Iran's nuclear program, and fought a cyberwar with Anonymous:

Documents taken from the National Security Agency by Edward Snowden and exclusively obtained by NBC News describe techniques developed by a secret British spy unit called the Joint Threat Research and Intelligence Group (JTRIG) as part of a growing mission to go on offense and attack adversaries ranging from Iran to the hacktivists of Anonymous.

All of these entities are real enemies of the U.S. (other than the fake Iran nuclear scare). My point is, there's no evidence they try to suppress new stories unfavourable to them on Reddit.

As for Hasbara, well, there's no denying that.

Fair enough.

I know for a fact that certain defense contractors (Lockheed Martin, for example) have very limited quantities of egress points to the internet - Lockheed had only three at the time I found out. They had 150,000 employees and more servers than that...

It could be plausible that a defense contractor hired to "sway online opinion" could be funneled through eglin or a similar facilities link to the internet.

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Literal military and government agency astroturf operations. (Obligatory Astroturfing Information Megathread)

2) allowing military personnel access to social media, but giving them guidelines for posting (you can post on social media, but you can't talk shit about the US.) Telling them their comments will be monitored will encourage them to post positively about the US in an effort to make themselves look like they are part of the team.

Wired wrote about this in 2008.

Wired: Air Force Releases ‘Counter-Blog’ Marching Orders

In that article, they cite this:

http://www.webinknow.com/2008/12/the-us-air-force-armed-with-social-media.html

Capt. Faggard and his Air Force Emerging Technology team is responsible for developing strategy, policy and plans for an ever-changing communication landscape for communicators worldwide. What was most interesting is that with Capt. Faggard leading the way, the Air Force employs 330,000 communicators! Their mission is to use current and developing Web 2.0 applications as a way to actively engage conversations between Airmen and the general public. Yes, that’s right, the goal of the program is that every single Airman is an on-line communicator.

Besides Twitter, Capt. Faggard writes The Official Blog of the U.S. Air Force; has pages on YouTube, MySpace and Facebook; helps publicize a Second Life area called Huffman Prairie; contributes to iReport (user name USAFPA); and is on Friendfeed, Digg, Delicious, Slashdot,Newsvine, Reddit. There’s Air Force widgets. And there's even a video mashup contest for high schools to show school spirit sponsored by the Air Force.

It's not just the Air Force. Several months ago I led a training session organized by SSgt Alexis Mulero, Public Affairs Chief for the communicators in the 1st Marine Corps Recruiting District. Since most teenagers and young adults spend lots of time on Facebook, YouTube, and other social media sites, a major challenge in recruiting young people into the Marines is reaching them online. As a result of a focus on social media, SSgt Mulero says that his team has greatly increased the positive exposure of the Corps across the Northeastern U.S.

Good info - I would certainly believe that this is the base of it...

It would be interesting to see if the military as a whole has any method for reporting anyone (to the public, maybe via FOIAs) the number of military personnel who have been relieved/reprimanded for their social media postings...

Think back to the DOD report of the pentagon users of some ~3,000 who bought CP or saw CP -- yet no prosecutions...

Also, I know for a fact that FB has a whole group who is at their MPK HQ where they are responsible for finding CP/Abuse/Suicide (all the bad shit) and reporting it up internally and to FB people in general...

Whats funny about this is that FB basically has a revolving door with the SS and the NSA - and they hire a shit-ton of ex-SS/ex-military... They had a ret. general who was fired for apparently lascivious activity who was head of security...

IMO, #PG is pretty god-damned real.

I think the problem is that people who side with clinton like to do this thing where they cross their arms and say 'there's no evidence for HIllary being a criminal'. This pisses people off because she's already decidedly a criminal, by the FBI's own words and congressional house investigations inquest testimony.

The problem is not about pizzagate, it's about politicking. People are ignoring factual information on the Clinton side because they don't like Trump--and their dislike of trump is based on no evidence but fear (false evidence appearing real). My suggestion is that if you really want to be fair, find dirt on Trump. But don't ignore the mountains of dirt on Clinton. There's so much incredible dirt on Clinton that she could start her own raised garden bed business and give everyone in america a garden in their front lawns. Which would be a good use of her dirt actually.

No the problem that infuriates people--and this includes people who don't even support trump--as it is a false dilemma fallacy and strawman argument to assume being against clinton is being in support of trump--is that Clinton is a fugutive from the law, and now she's teasing and taunting people over pizzagate, which, and maybe call it something else, like Crimegate or humantraffickinggate or extortiongate or 7thfloorgroupcoupgate

These people defending her are revealing how very little they know about history that's unfolding before their eyes. They don't know how to handle material facts. They don't read. They don't dig. They don't use critical thinking skills. They can't handle context. They can't handle nuance. They can't handle metanarrative. They can't keep up. They have a pathological incapacity to evaluate information for factuality, by playing it against other counternarratives and reading between the lines of BS politicking. They can't read a news story from several different outlets and then use a skeptics tool of weighing it against other such stories, or considering that discreditabilitiy of varioius journalistic outlets versus others that have never been wrong (MSM vs wikileaks)

This is why people are infuriated by these people. They show up, cross their arms and then want you to prove your position, ignoring of course that you already have, fully cited, and they are simply too lazy to do their homework.

Not even a simple search of the sub

NOt even a simple perusal of list of confirmed conspiracies

They try to debunk and deny and disprove and deflect and distract without showing any kind of attempt at being a real skeptic (ie: they are pseudoskeptics).

This is why we call them shills. They might be unpaid, or even interns, or even just tourons who have been inculcated into the cult of pseudoskepticism and antiintellectualism--not sure; but the end result is the same.

They denigrate this sub. Enough of them and and the sub is worthless. So...there you go. That's the point. And that's why we call them out.

But there is value in saying that doesn't work anymore. The way you fight them is by raising the bar and then blocking them. IF reddit had a better block feature or a way of crowd-blocking people heuristically (ie: enough people block someone that they start to be muted / down weighted in comments so that upvoting their comments has an inherent divisor....)

please don't take this as me being a "Clinton arm crosser", but your comment makes it sound like anyone who is anti-trump, has to be pro-clinton, that is so far from the truth. I would love to have a discussion about trump that doesn't circle back to demands that i defend Clinton instead of criticizing Trump, believe it or not i hate both of them, but only one of them won the election, I 110% agree clinton is dirty, that is nothing new.... and i would love joining anti-clinton conversations if they were grounded to reality; she rigged the primaries..count me in, pay to play foundation...i'm there, erased emails to cover her own ass...hell yea she did! i would never and have never arm crossed any of these topics...

but i invite you to find these discussions because unfortunately a strong majority of the anti-clinton post is in other dimensions, many are obviously just dedicated circle jerks, using her as a punching bag to attack the left as whole; I.e: "Hillary and the Democrats are running a pedo sex trafficking ring", "eric braverman hasn't used his twitter recently so Hillary must have killed him", "6 degrees of Hillary connects her to sandusky", "High profile Dem arrest coming in X amount of time".... these are so outlandish, they are hard to take seriously.... i mean the only conspiracies about her right now on our front page is multiple post about the exact same thing "how dare she reference the same conspiracy she is accused running to troll Flynn" seriously?? that's just a bunch of snowflakes upset that someone else besides the hair piece would use their twitter to troll haters...

also i hope you can understand how much your comment perfectly describes the feelings of both sides towards the other right now, and how desperately we need to find a way to bury this hatchet and move on.... i mean, if you swapped the names in the more generic parts of your comments it could easily be re-posted about trump arm-crossers.... both sides are looking at the other the exact same way....

(please don't nit pick specifics im only using this as a quick example so obviously it's not perfect, but hopefully you can see what i mean)

The problem is not about pizzagate, it's about politicking. People are ignoring factual information on the trump side because they don't like Clinton... My suggestion is that if you really want to be fair, find dirt on Clinton. But don't ignore the mountains of dirt on Trump. There's so much incredible dirt on Trump that he could start her own raised garden bed business and give everyone in america a garden in their front lawns. Which would be a good use of his dirt actually.

also i hope you can understand how much your comment perfectly describes the feelings of both sides towards the other right now, and how desperately we need to find a way to bury this hatchet and move on....

In my humble opinion, the problem starts when you pick a side.

I just can't resist! I need to:

nit pick specifics

:)

she rigged the primaries

Hillary Clinton rigged the primaries? The Wikileaks disclosures show dirty tricks but they don't show rigging. If anyone rigged the primaries for HRC, I would look at the people who have been rigging elections since 2002. That would be the Republican Party. They probably rigged the primaries for the same reason "Democrat" paper Washington Post trashed Bernie Sanders literally hour-by-hour in the Super Tuesday period:

Because they knew in advance that the general election would be gamed for Donald Trump to beat Hillary Clinton in Electors -- and Bernie Sanders had to be pushed out of the way.

erased emails to cover her own ass

For all the time and effort spent on how terribly corrupt this whole email ordeal was, it amounted to a lot of bluster about nothing. So what if she deleted the emails?

You know what's really corrupt? Trying to get rid of ethics. Stealing SCOTUS seats. Jim Crow elections.

using her as a punching bag to attack the left as whole

The main problem with the HRC "punching bag" was that the fists were being pushed by the Republican spin sites, rather than based upon her actual bad deeds.

For that matter, the entire James Comey situation smacked of Republican dirty tricks.

There were plenty of real reasons to criticize HRC -- but not much legitimate was coming from the Republican sites. You had to look at the alternative sites: wsws.org and Counterpunch come to mind. Those criticisms of HRC were very important and very real.

Things like Libya, Iraq, praising of George W. Bush and Kissenger, a large portion of the agenda during her husband's years, etc. Plenty of real stuff!

"how dare she reference the same conspiracy she is accused running to troll Flynn" seriously?? that's just a bunch of snowflakes upset

I don't think what Flynn did was very serious actually. As much as I oppose Donald Trump and the Republican government, I also oppose the hardening and the -- dare I say it -- Fake News about Russia.

Hope you liked my nit picking. :)

........

Wow.

Love your comment. You're the only one who had the strength to reply. :)

It's funny how when I criticize all sides, all I get are down votes.

It's like I get hit by partisans on both sides. ROFL

Partisanship is awful and ruins our politics.

But what you said was not truthful and was uneven. You didnt really attack both sides. And said some foolish things.

If you wanna inject partisanship, it'll be tough and also easy. Because not many here love or even like trump. But its been decades of cunted hillary and her secret luciferean friends. And bill and bush and other bush. These are some evil people, and many want justice.

Justice that we see for the first time emerging under trump. So is it too much for the Real and Active anti trump forces to not convince foolish people to essentially work for them for free? Can we get 100 days or real anti trump posts? Cause russia is not our enemy. And her own people leaked her shit. And pissing hookers went away with the garbage they brought.

Plus there's only so many idiots you can enrage with grabbing pussy.

Your entire comment is redic and points only to one side of the annoying. I'm here frequently and rarely if ever see these die hard clinton supporters with their arms crossed like u describe. It's possible that u want to see that so u do. The bigger problem with what you say and the problem with this sub and life In general right now is there are very few people willing to look at all evidence from a rational point of view. TD in my opinion is the absolute worst and that sub is worse than a safe space, echo chamber. TD has become a facist cult where any desenting opinion is met with immediate bans.

So please stop acting like this is a one sided topic it's not and currently the most egregious by far are TD.

I'm here frequently

Exclusively telling everyone in this sub how stupid they are for investigating PG.

Wrrrrrroooooong.

I just point out how ridiculous the some of the connections based on 7 degrees of kevin bacon separation are.

All I've asked for is honest dialogue which most in the PG community refuse to do. Either you accept every claim or you are a shill

No you dont. You ignore facts and evidence and scream what about the pizza part doeeeee?!?!

You do realize where this started and where its gone. A huge trafficking, raping, torturing, murdering, ring of kid fuckers and satanic abusers. Run, protected, used, blackmailed, operation brownstoned by our govt.

And a man on the ground got busted, Epstein, and instead of a min 20 year sentence he did a few months with no actual guards. Docs that show he or his team knew he wouldnt face time. He's still paying jane doe's as they come forward.

If you did your research youd understand how big these networks are, what they do, etc. And the stupid name is not about just james alefuckskids, its about this secret group tied to MUCH LARGER things in the world, but also bound by the heinous fucking activity.

What you do is not contributing to conversation. It provokes people, and its unintellectual.

are you provoked?

Good contribution.

thank u. glad u appreciate it

It's possible that u want to see that so u do

... and currently the most egregious by far are TD.

Lmao. You guys don't even try anymore. Self-reflection and self-awareness is completely lost.

Great comment. I've been thinking this for a while now.

I find myself slowly migrating away from here for that exact reason. I'm having a hard time wanting to engage to the influx of arm-crossing posters. It seems like an impossible mission so I don't even bother. I sometimes even start writing a rebuttal and decide halfway through there is no point in giving my energy in this fight and delete what I've written.

The problem with shills is we cant really prove it when we call them out as individuals. We know 100% they exist. We've seen how they operate. We've become good ourselves at noticing the patterns but if we call them out it's kinda frivolous. All they have to say is the standard "so anyone who disagrees with you is a shill?" line and it's become moot. At that point no meaningful discussion will take place.

They don't know how to handle material facts. They don't read.

saving this for later

Trolls from Olgino, Nimble America, Cambridge Analytica. Three more frameworks which consist of directing online commentary towards their own viewpoints.

Whats Olgino?

And wasnt Nimble a scam?

Olgino is a district in St. Petersburg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolls_from_Olgino

I think the user base and the mod team feel that an environment which is hostile to potential paid subversion benefits the sub as a whole by engendering the standing of the individual person in the discursive process;

That which is most hostile towards bullshit is logic and sound reasoning, not ad hominem attacks.

Those I see accusing others of being shills aren't those I see presenting logical arguments and sound reasoning. It's exactly the opposite. They merely assert an opinion, frequently and repeatedly, and when challenged with logic and reason, resort to ad hominem attacks, one of which is accusing their opponent of being a shill, though accusing their opponent of being a pedophile is also popular.

To the extent that there are shills in this forum, I think it is these people who are the shills. Most people don't pass up an opportunity to share the evidence they find so convincing, but if one doesn't honestly hold the opinion they're presenting, they would have a difficult time defending it against any counterarguments. So they have limited options. One option is to attack the credibility of those presenting counterarguments and hope that everyone ignores the counterarguments as a result.

Another option is to respond with "do your own research." This merely asserts that evidence exists without requiring knowledge about any of it, which is useful given that they aren't knowledgeable about any of it. Again, most people who want to promote their opinion won't pass up the opportunity to convince others by presenting the arguments and evidence that cause them to hold that opinion. So when one asks for more information, and is merely told "do your own research," that screams "I don't know, I'm just posting what I'm told."

It's never necessary to point out that these people are shills. They are far too easy to argue against. Arguing against them will change the minds of others who read those arguments, whereas calling them shills will merely make one look like a shill themselves.

I'm with you on this but censoring people isn't the answer and will never work.

If you just want to circlejerk about how elite pedo rings can't possiby exist ever and have never existed, r/politics or one of the other subs full of lobotomized retards awaits. No one will miss you.

In my opinion, and I'm saying this for open discourse so feel free to provide an alternative opinion, anyone who tries to "debunk pizzagate" is being willfully ignorant or DOES have an alternative agenda. It's okay to not fully buy the extent of pizzagate, but it's almost undeniable that James Alefantis has connections to the abuse of children.

personally I see it so much here my perception is that it is ok with you guys(mods) Im also not the type to go run and tell all of the time. I have never seen a shill accusation that had any evidence to back it except account history.

Thank you.

I understand this and appreciate the great work you've doone having a very open and positive conversation here about what's going on (in general and not just about rule 10). But I agree that it's very hard to believe that rule 10 is being enforced fairly when you have someone in this very thread summoning and then attacking another user without consequence, while /u/ruleten's documented instances of issues with mods are being removed.

I think it would be a very good thing for this sub to revisit rule 10 protection for the mods and strictly enforce it against users. I agree that there are paid shills, but if there really is proof of that why do we need to throw accusations around on the sub? Why not just pm the proof to the mods and leave it to them to ban the user?

The front page of this sub currently has multiple self-posts accusing broad and undefined groups of users (let's be honest, they're attacking people that espouse Trump related conspiracies), and this is echoing down into comments that spend more time assaulting and ad homineming people that accuse Trump of bad acts then actually discussing the facts. Is this really good for the sub? No one (ourselves included--even long time users question the bias of this sub) is going to take this sub seriously if it's viewed as a branch of T_D and if we're not taken seriously we can't do anything. I don't think anyone here that participates in good faith does so just for shits and giggles, I personally came here because I think this sub is a good thing to have and that exposing government corruption and malfeasance can actually help people.

Just to clarify only the one instance for me, it was actually someone else posting their experience. They've since DM'ed me that they have been banned and it checks out as their posts have been removed.

I wish to continue posting here and following the rules, simply pointing out the inaccuracy in what was said. The documented instances were other people's experiences, not mine directly.

Just wondering why shills would bother targeting r/conspiracy in any way? This sub's impact on reddit overall seems pretty low and it would be much easier to criticise and destabilise from the outside - "tinfoil hat", "crazy", etc. - than come into the sub and do their work here. It seems like it would be a waste of resources to try and control any narrative here given that we are super sceptical about anything outside of our own pet theory.

The only time it may happen seems to be when a post briefly hits r/all, but even then there are enough non-shill users (from politics and td) who will be all too happy to do their work for them.

Because people come here from reddit, when the narrative gets too weird for them and they start asking questions. Making his place look insane is a good way to get people back on track of "nothing to see here".

r/politics died when they started banning people for calling out astroturfing. I sincerely hope r/conspiracy does not follow that route.

The rules also clearly state to not be rude or attack other users, so why are you ignoring those rule breakers? There's plenty of examples of people insulting other users and treating them harshly for sharing a differing opinion in a civil manner, yet basically most of them are allowed to continue doing so. I understand it can take some time to process reports, but it seems many people can just completely ignore Rule 10.

For the record, I have been reporting several shill accusations being made and I don't think any of them have been punished...

Just saying... Put your money where your mouth is and actually do it. It's a cancer to having any reasonable discussion between those with different political leanings.

You need to do better...

Well, the sidebar rules do spell out that shill accusations (based on context) are against the rules.

Why even make it a rule if you seem to never enforce it... Or at least try to explain what "context" makes a shill accusation allowable or removable?

I am here a lot, and I don't see a lot of shill accusations except from those people acting shilly with young accounts or accounts that have been idle for ages until all of a sudden.

Because you are a Trump supporter. If you had even once criticised Trump on here, you would now how fast the shill accusations are coming.

I am trump neutral and actually lately have been saying plenty about him and his crappy cabinet choices. He isn't perfect.

The National Security advisor has ties to Russia. He resigned one hour after the story broke. Goldman Sachs has key positions in this goverment. Nearly every cabinet member is a millionaire or billionaire who wants to destroy what their department stands for. Trump himself is probably just a puppet of Putin. Saying that Trump "isn't perfect" is a huge understatement and just shows how successful the propaganda of the alt-right was.

You making this post political doesn't make you look intelligent. Why not save the hard sell for where it is relevant?

No arguments anymore, so you start to insult me, I see. I posted here because it's about ettiquette and shill-calling of Trump supporters counts to that.

Go in peace, brother.

I hope you wake up one day.

you hijacking stickied posts to discuss political topics won't wake anyone, it turns people off. so if you are trying to wake people, you're doing it wrong.

If facts turn people off, there is nothing we can do. And again, my original comment was meant to adress the shill-calling.

FYI, it is this aggressive behavior that some would call 'shilly'. If you aren't on an agenda, you might want to look at your approach.

Aggressive? That might be your perception, I didn't use caps or "!", so seeing my writing style like that probably is subjective. And again, just because someone has a different opinion and stands for it while backing it with facts doesn't make someone a shill. Did you notice that I didn't I didn't call you a shill even once? It's way more productive to not jump to that conclusion that someone is paid to write the second he seems to have a different world view.

Yes, again, you reply peculiarly, and it isn't that you have a different world view. There are certain behaviors that people describe as shilly. Of course this is my opinion. You hijacking this sticky only serves to make you look bad, which is why I assume you keep hyperdefending.

Aaand back to insulting, what a surprise. Phrasing "replying" as "hyperdefending" is quite odd, btw.

my opinion isn't meant to be an insult to you.

These trump supporters think they woke... but sadly the opposite is true.

Irony in your post history, calling young accounts trolls.

I never did once, the thing you mean is when I mentioned Russian trolls. You should work on your reading comprehension and maybe look at the context of comments.

"[–]Askalan 3 points 16 hours ago*

Wait a minute, your account is just two hours old...lol, you nearly got me, sneaky troll."

That's the comment I'm referring to and regardless of the context, it's dripping with irony.

Lol that, this in /r/srilanka were a guy in particular repeatedly made new accounts just to troll. That sub is very small, so you recognise something like that quite easily.

Doesn't make it less hilarious

Irony in your post history, calling young accounts trolls.

You see, you should always look at the context, a lesson for the future!

You mean like when he provided context to you of why it was ironic? You're trying to say "well it wasn't exactly like this, so you're wrong! He he I win another internet argument in my head!" But he already provided the context of which it is ironic and funny. Just accept it and admit it. We don't know who you are in real life. No one is going to remember you after this thread. It's okay little buddy.

Truth. On every level.

Because you are a Trump supporter and have fallen for propaganda. If you had even once criticised Trump on here, you would know how fast the shill accusations are coming.

Sorry but this is simply not true. I have been honestly critical/skeptical of Trump ever since I joined, and have never been called a shill, or otherwise criticized. Actually my postings tend to be appreciated.

One among many similar examples : 89% upvoted, 350 points, not 1 single shill accusation.

I am critical of Trump too and haven't been called a shill. Maybe this is naive, but I don't think i would even care if somebody called me a shill because I know I am not one. I also find the MSM/neo-liberal/neo-con narratives to be abhorrent though.

No maybe because some people have the ability to criticize Trump and Trump supporters with actual logic and reason instead of bullshit like "you've fallen for the propaganda!" and the endless sea of shit we hear all the time.

Probably because you're not on the receiving end of it.

I get shill hurled at me almost daily for actively speaking out against pg, dapl, and drumpf policy.

Bullshit, it's in literally every PG thread. If I wasn't on my phone, I could easily link a dozen such comments from the current front page threads

oh, I don't go in those much as Voat is the best source for Pgate info. I just downvote them here.

Your literally just said "I am here a lot". Well which is it?

I will say it slower for you. I am here (in this sub) a lot but I don't go into those (threads about Pgate) much as I just downvote them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u063i/friendly_reminder_regarding_bans_appeals_and/ddqcc99/

"All of a sudden" because grammar, kids.

I am here a lot

Me too.

As this subs #1 shill-accused user, I can confirm that there are a lot of shill accusations.

Punished for what? Pointing out facts?

Don't even go there...

They are a real thing, though.

I agree it is preferable to engage the evidence, but shills usually start with an insult and never address the evidence unless their overlords have provided them with the canned response.

That sounds a lot like the people that call others "shills". They don't like their opinion but cant argue the merits of their own opinion, so they call others shills.

If you are going to go so hard against pizzagate and trump. While pushing the anti-russia and pro-hillary narrative.

Can't you really blame them? Even if you are not a shill, you are pushing the same things that people that are being called shills are pushing.

We'll stop screaming that when paid shills don't flood the sub anymore.

My question for the mods is more about users like /u/Peutin who spam this sub with articles from fucking VOX and clearly do not believe any conspiracies except the current mainstream ones. That concern troll that the sub "needs to get back to its roots".

When u/Peutin was asked "What are some of your favorite conspiracy theories that you believe in?" He responds "I'm not too much into this stuff."

Some of his fun quotes:

Eglin just happened to show a large amount of activity. Wouldn't most people there be young guys, surfing the web?

Podesta isn't a pedophile, no matter how much partisan reactionaries hate him and are triggered by nude statues and confused by out-of-context references to culinary dishes.

made up false stories of BLM and Soros

you seem to have fell for the anti-Soros propaganda. How sad

Hillary is actually quite funny and witty

This sub is mentally ill

I come to this sub for entertainment purposes

Is it wrong I come to this sub for entertainment purposes?

this isn't even my main account

Witnesses' memories are notoriously bad

CTR's role is over-exagerated, especially in this sub

Venezuela kicking out out CNN for reporting critical information is fascist

This isn't chery picking, this is what a large majority of this user's comments look like, they are here solely to say "nothing to see here citizen". And not only this, he's aggressively active in nearly every thread. I consider myself to be very active here as of late, but this guy is a total power commentor. What about users who obviously aren't here to actually dive into conspiracies and to discuss them, but rather, to divide and cause problems in the comments sections?

Not the mods, but I can answer your questions about /u/Peutin.

who spam this sub with articles from fucking VOX

Spam? You mean one article? Your spam filter is too strong - tone it down.

clearly do not believe any conspiracies except the current mainstream ones.

There is no requirement for me to believe x number of conspiracy theories. I can believe how many I want.

When u/Peutin was asked "What are some of your favorite conspiracy theories that you believe in?" He responds "I'm not too much into this stuff."

True, I'm more of a debunker than a believer. Why don't you post the rest of my response:

CIA drug connections, Russia's large scale disinformation campaign in the West, FBI grooming terrorists and then pretending to nab them.... and that's probably it. I'm not too much into this stuff.

Some of his fun quotes:

Nothing wrong with anything I've said. Be substantive. What's wrong with what I said?

And not only this, he's aggressively active in nearly every thread.

Every thread? I always pick the top5 or so threads to comment in. Your confirmation bias is blinding you.

What about users who obviously aren't here to actually dive into conspiracies and to discuss them, but rather, to divide and cause problems in the comments sections?

Divide? Cause problems? What problems have I caused? All I do is debunk stuff.

If you can't handle people debunking hoaxes, then too bad for you. Your fascist impulse to ban dissent will never be lived out. Sorry.

I believe I found a solution for both of us. It really is a great solution and I think you will find much more happiness and fulfillment if you follow my advice:

Take your shit to r/skeptic

I have no problem with debunking, in fact, many of us encourage it - but if that's literally the sole reason you are here, and if there's also a supplementary narrative that you are pushing along with your debunking - so it's not just debunking for debunking sake - then I think perhaps you might stand in contradiction to the very essence of what this sub is about and would find my fulfillment elsewhere.

No can do sir. I shall keep posting and debunking here, since the people being fooled don't visit /r/skeptic. What's the point of debunking misinformation if no one's around to see it?

So let's recap here.

• You are admitting you only come here to debunk
• You consider this sub "entertainment", you aren't 'very much into' conspiracies
• You are using an alt to conceal the other subs you frequent
• You could take your claims and accusations elsewhere but you want to stick around in this sub that you are diametrically opposed to simply because it gives you the best chance at changing the mindset of the userbase of said sub.

And yet, you are confused and disheartened when people call you a shill?

I don't believe you're a shill. I just think you're entirely misguided and somewhat a "useful idiot" a term you've repeatedly used to describe users of this sub.

You are admitting you only come here to debunk

Yep.

You consider this sub "entertainment", you aren't 'very much into' conspiracies

Ugh, I said that once or twice in threads that had absolutely ridiculous topics. Don't exaggerate.

You are using an alt to conceal the other subs you frequent

Hell yes I am. The kinds of people who PM this account are sickos. Don't want my main tarnished.

You could take your claims and accusations elsewhere but you want to stick around in this sub that you are diametrically opposed to simply because it gives you the best chance at changing the mindset of the userbase of said sub.

Correct.

You have your own dehumanizing terminology calling people fascist / Russian who disagree with you

Nope. I've only ever called people "fascist" today, when they were happy about CNN being banned or those with opposite viewpoints being banned. Nothing "dehumanizing" about it. Way to play the victim.

And yet, you are confused and disheartened when people call you a shill?

Considering I'm not as hill, I am certainly frustrated at being called a shill.

I just think you're entirely misguided and somewhat a "useful idiot" a term you've repeatedly used to describe users of this sub.

Believe what you want. I don't really care what you think I am or am not.

The equivalent of someone constantly posting Dawkins quotes in r/Christianity then messaging the mods when the users call you an atheist.

Bad analogy. You already knew that, however,

Damn guys, don't make me separate you two.

Checkmate

how is this not a violation of Rule 10? It's a direct attack on another user.

If they enforced Rule 10 in the case of my response, they would enforce it every single time someone calls someone a Trump supporter / T_D 2.0 poster.

Outting someone's agenda by putting together a logical, factual recap of their responses isn't the same as ad-hominems.

I appreciate the importance of outing shills, but I think this whole sub has gone overboard with it (though admittedly I'm a new user). Too many people here attack other's as shills, but never adress their arguments.

I'm not accusing you of doing this, to be clear, but I don't see the value of doing it in general. It seems to me that when there is evidence it should be provided to the mods and left to them to ban the user or otherwise, if the user's activity rises to an actual conspiracy to manipulate and disparage the voices of this sub (whatever you think of /u/Peutin, I don't see any evidence of paid shilling, just shitposting at worst) then that's a conspiracy and it's appropriate. But look at the frontpage right now, it's full of people just casually accusing their political opponents with no evidence, literally they are posts where actual conspiracy theories, with documentation, are being dismissed because of the political ramifications and not based on the facts. I'm sorry but that, to me, puts this sub in danger of becoming an echo-chamber and losing all credibility for the users that actually expose serious malfeasance.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for censorship, I just think that public attacks on other users foster an atmosphere where ad hominem trumps factual argumentation, and that hurts us all. The mods have the authority to ban shills and sticky lists of irreputable news sources (with documentation). I don't think we should stop policing ourselves, I just think that we need to step back and look at whether we are doing it constructively or because the current political atmosphere is so charged. We're not here to proxy war Trump v. Hillary, we're here to protect ourselves, and others, from the malfeasance of governments, corporations, and whatever other powers-that-be.

look at the frontpage right now, it's full of people just casually accusing their political opponents with no evidence, literally they are posts where actual conspiracy theories, with documentation, are being dismissed because of the political ramifications and not based on the facts.

Welcome to every single conspiracy message board since forever. This is how it always has been. It's up to you as an individual to sort through it, not the mod team. Bring on the garbage and I'll find the treasure within. I don't need rules / censorship to provide the pathway.

Fuck you brigading fucks.

Oh, I doubt you're being brigaded. You're just being a rude fuck personally calling out a user on a stickied mod thread. It's just uncalled for.

Yeah I feel really bad for him let me tell you and then you commented and wow I got even sadder.

I'd estimate about half the posts here are shill accusations.

Get over yourself.

P.S. Fuck the mods

I just want the mods to talk about why the newest mod is blatantly pro trump and why that's okay on a sub about conspiracies. He bans people who point this out. He flags the dossier post "unverified" then does the very thing he says they want to crack down on and accuses people of brigading the sub. Oh and as soon as the dossier dropped he started going around posting photoshopped fakes of the dossier trying to disprove it.

This sub went to shit a long time ago and the mods are only pretending to be unbiased.

The mods might as well be Cheeto Benito's excess skin tags at this point. They're all obviously doing everything they can to keep the subreddit from criticizing Herr Cheddar in any way.

Yep, ban all mentions of the multimillion dollar propaganda machine that is openly admitting to manipulating this site

I'm sure you guys would love that

I disagree, cracking down on shills first and foremost should be #1 priority. I wholeheartedly think that account age, posts, comments, etc. should be taken into consideration of shill accusation. Nobody should have to make an alt to browse this subreddit, there is no shame in striving to find truth, we aren't on a level of Edward Snowden, nor even close, we should not have to hide.

Idk dude, defending Hillary at this point is not very rational...

How much evidence needs to come out? The 650k emails? We all want those. Until then...

i know you guys are already busy enough as it is, but has there been any consideration to adding or expanding some of the rules? my biggest gripe has been the de-railing, i understand and love that this is one of the few subs left that still allows wide open discussion, not catered to a specific group, i think dissenting opinions are more useful than agreeing opinions, but it's not hard to find users who comments are only intended to specifically derail a post becuase they don't like the subject......

we're a big enough sub that conspiracies about apple's and conspiracies about oranges can co-exist but if all the apple conspiracy lovers spend more time de-railing and attacking the post about oranges, because they don't like discussions about orange conspiracies, the orange conspiracy lovers are just going to do it right back, making it impossible for anyone to have actual discussions about either without having to wade through hundreds of these "oranges suck!", "this is apple propaganda BS", "Why are you talking about apples?! how about instead, you tell me how oranges would have been any better" type comments....

also, i think it's getting to a point that using someone's account age to discredit them could be lumped in with rule 10, i would say the last couple weeks especially i have seen way more comments followed up with things like "ohh, because you're so smart with your XX-day old account", these comments have the same intent as calling someone a troll or shill "i don't like what you have to say, i can't call you a shill, so ill just imply your account is too young to matter"

Again, i know you guys are busy, and adding more rules to enforce is the last thing you want to do, but if or when that time comes, these might be a few things to consider.... thx (please don't ban me, i'm trying to be respectfully constructive)

The brigading today... what was posted that whipped CTR into such a frenzy?

The National Security Advisor Flynn resigned one hour after a story broke that he has ties to Russia. But of course, shill-calling comes first!

I saw the post out here. All the comments are the same, "Der pizza is wrong because Russia is hur."

This is honestly why I think these posts are downvoted. Russia would be a genuinely interesting discussion if the comments weren't always filled to the brim with dumb nonsense, arguments about the subreddit and links to ETS copypastas.

Ties to Russia. Talked to them about Obama's sanctions. Now all the /r/politics and anti Trump subs come flying in. Thousands of up votes more then usual.

Well we can't find out how much more there is because his friends in government refuse to investigate.

Flynn resigned and Seaman missed his deadline.

This is the kind of shill calling we're complaining about mods. You have a sub that literally thinks every downvote they get is from a paid corporate stooge. You can say "calling people shills will get you banned," but unless you're willing to actually do anything about it, nobody believes you.

Do you read the comments in any frontpage /r/conspiracy post? The shilling is real, dude. CTR uses bots and purchased accounts to spam their stupid one liners and name calling. Don't point at me and call me a dick because I simply acknowledge the obvious.

A. Never called you a dick.

B. People disagree with you=shills is exactly what I'm talking about. You're proving my point.

You're proposing that my voice be silenced on this sub because I'm frustrated with the brigading that I'm pointing out. You want me banned for that?

Pretty shitty, man.

I'm proposing the mods enforce the rules they themselves wrote for this sub. Sorry if you're violating them.

And I never flat out accused a specific person of shilling, so why is my original response a good example?

Wrong. Upvoating and downvoting does not mean you are correct.

You're so far up Trump's ass you can't even see how he's openly fucking you.

So are the mods gonna ban you for breaking rule 10 or did they really just mean

"We'll ban you if you call someone a shill, unless they are a shill, which they are. cause shills are everywhere"?

Also, people came to a sub about conspiracies last night because the national security advisor to the president resigned after he lied about CONSPIRING with the Russian government. No duh they want to talk about it. Doubly so when the president has been accused of working with the russian government.

So the multiple threads on /politics and /enoughtrumpspam aren't adequate for the purpose?

The multiple threads on uncensorednews, the donald, and wikileaks aren't enough for ya'll, so why is "Ya but the stories in these two other threads" a valid excuse for calling us shills?

My point is the whole of reddit is a free space for liberal sentiments with no fear of repercussions or bans for choosing a certain side politically or participating in certain subs, this is patently not the case for anyone supporting Donald.

Is it the job of R/conspiracy mods to balance out reddit? or to moderate a conspiracy forum? It sounds like you believe it is the former.

We have never been an accepted, welcomed or popular sub and I see absolutley no reason to start following the hive-mind now. We are the rejected, the refugees and the undesirables with unpopular opinions on the whole, as are Donald's supporters.

So are you confirming you, as a Mod, have a pro-Trump supporter bias based on a shared persecution complex?

No, I recognise a fellow outcast. I don't agree with them politically but I understand they have nowhere else to go.

That sounds a lot like admitting your priority is providing a safespace for Trump supporters.

He won't be banned for rule 10 because it concerns accusing a specific user of being a shill.

Having seen no rule enforced upon anyone coming from the_fuckwit that screams "shill or shareblue" I can't take you seriously. Coupled with the fact that the mods actively try to discredit any trump related conspiracy with a tag this just seems sad. Chastising the user base when the mods shirk their responsibilities is pathetic.

Yes I am referring to the posts about the Russian influence on Donald trump. Yes I am referring to the fact that just because a large number of people hear about a conspiracy and then go talk about it on the conspiracy subredddit makes the mods think it's a brigade. are you telling me if a NASA related conspiracy presents itself your plan is to label that thread, "r/space brigade". No, absolutely not. You are trying to control the narrative of discussion. You are attempting to mitigate actual discussion and it's a pathetic action.

Just out of curiosity, will you tag today's post about Flynn, too?

Was it last time? Thought it was "brigaded" by /r/all aka a post that is upvoted a lot will get attention from users from other subs, which many in here called "brigading".

So all one needs to do to get something tagged on this sub as misleading is link to it in an /r/politics comment using a sockpuppet...?

So all one needs to do to get something tagged on this sub as misleading is link to it in an /r/politics comment using a sockpuppet...?

Do you realize how open to abuse your lack of investigation makes this subreddit...?

organic curation of content on this sub

Do votes from /r/all users count as organic?

Have you ever flaired a Pizzagate thread that made it to /r/all?

Most of your threads that make it to /r/all do not have flair, though.

5 of the top 25 posts this year have a flair...

The ratio is even worse if you look more recently.

Hey, don't ruin their narrative. /s

This post was labeled as "ETS BRIGADE" at ~120 upvotes. How can you determine a brigade with confidence that early? How can the mods be sure that it was not voted up organically? I've been in here a while and have noticed a peculiliar trend where flagged posts tend to be those that run counter to the Trump agenda or which his administration look bad. Shit, the dossier post was removed ENTIRELY a few hours after it was initially flagged.

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So you are telling me that someone, anyone, can create a thread on another sub pointing to a thread in /r/conspiracy and you will take that as grounds to flag it or remove it? That is a shaky policy.

Okay, forget the brigading.

Why did you tag Trump's Dossier post as "Unverified Allegations"? Almost the entirety of Pizza Gate is unverified allegations. Almost all conspiracies in general are unverified allegations. Yet the only time you've ever used that tag is in relation to a conspiracy involving Donald Trump.

Very suspicious....

Yet the only time you've ever used that tag is in relation to a conspiracy involving Donald Trump.

I'm not a mod, but in regards to the Buzzfeed article that was flaired with "Unverified allegations", the reason that specific tag has only ever been used with that specific post was because it was a direct quote from the article itself. The tag even included quotes around words because it was a direct quote from the article.

I'm not commenting to argue about whether or not it should have been tagged, although possible reasons could have been the literal hundreds of people coming from all and other subs replying to the post, and ridiculing the community for not upvoting it or believing it to be absolute fact.

A lot of people don't read beyond the title and that was particularly true for that post considering that then and even now, all this time later, people are accusing the mods of creating that tag based on their own opinion of the post when it was a direct quote from the article instead.

The article itself also said multiple times that it was unverified, included many mistakes and errors, and that there was substantial reason to doubt the accuracy of the accusation - all while tons of people from other subreddits and all made the entire post and discussion about how awful the community is because most were skeptical/dismissive and that the mods are corrupt and need to resign.

I don't know that I would have reacted the same if I were a mod, but I do understand why it was tagged with that quote. The fact that people are still bringing up a single tag that originated from the article, and the fact that 95% of the comments on that post was a discussion about how awful and corrupt this community and it's mods are for not automatically believing a conspiracy about Trump that was also being pushed by the mainstream media, is more suspicious to me.

The mods here have tagged other posts if the title isn't accurate or seems like clickbait, and not just on Trump/Republican/Altright posts, they've done it on Democrat/Hillary posts as well. They don't always, but they have, and yet there are comments from the past 2 days claiming that the only posts that have ever been tagged in this subreddit have been Trump posts, and those comments, that any regular to this sub would know is a lie, are getting 50+ upvotes.

A lot of the regular people from this community can tell, and are witnessing, an actual effort to portray this subreddit as nothing but Trump supporters and that our mods are paid by Russia. And 99% of the people who are doing this, and complaining about the fact people from t_d post here (as if that's somehow not allowed) dont even contribute. So many people here are doing nothing but bitching about how no one here is posting about Trump/Russia conspiracies, while not even attempting to make actual posts themselves that isn't entirely comprised of whatever CNN, or r/politics is saying.

I don't blame the mods, or most people in this community, including myself, for finding all of this really suspicious and exceptionally frustrating.

[This post was labeled as "ETS BRIGADE"

The commenters there were obviously not regulars though. Apart from having barely any activity here in there history the fact half the comments begun with something like "you people" gave it away.

Shit, the dossier post was flagged as 'UNVERIFIED' by mods an in attempt to discredit it. There are countless other posts in here every day that are unverified.

The difference is that the none of the other posts have such huge implications or try to pass themselves off as verified. Seeing something like the Russia dossier coming from generally credible MSM sources it would be easy to assume it was verified whereas seeing something about UFOs from www.motherearthtruthbrigade.pl is a little more obvious. I think in this case the mods just didn't want people being goaded into believing everything was confirmed rather than discredit it.

As I said, all of our moderation is content neutral and done in accord with the reddit terms of service as to the issue of brigading.

Do you consider users finding this sub on /r/all to be brigading?

Thank you for this. I'm sure there are a number of lurkers who are not regulars in this sub and see this brigading attempts as just another post within the sub. They have done a much better job at blending in.

While it is hard to outright ban any accusations of shills, etc. -- unfortunately the sub is at a point where this is a constant reality, and while it may be extremely apparent to some of us, we have to realize a ton of new users have come this way due to the election, wikileaks and other recent events, so it can be very hard to discern the genuine from the fraudulent.

I find it funny that this is a constant accusation spouted by these people and directed towards the mods. Claiming that this whole Russia incident is a conspiracy (when MSM has been covering it, and its an advisor speaking with russia -- not the world's biggest conspiracy here folks) and you as a mod team are actively trying to surpress it is just ridiculous imo.

You guys have continued to defend this sub for years now and I commend you all for it.

Funny you don't care about t_d raids.

Hmmm.

Because they don't happen. Just CTR/ShareBlue raids from r/politics and their sister retard-subs.

Trash like /u/mcfatten are exactly the type that are ruining this sub: anti-conspiracy, pro-establishment, pro-MSM, will suck down any narrative CNN tells them to, but thinks conspiracies "don't ever happen hurr hurr" otherwise.

Can you explain the immediate downvotes to any story that paints Trump or his administration in a bad light? There are a lot of people here who think that there are bots/The_Donald brigades constantly on the new tab.

I've seen it myself countless times and I myself have seen the down votes come in waves of tens and twentys because of an article that paints Trump in a bad light. How can we ever criticize our president if posts can never get out of the negatives? Seriously, scan through the top 500 posts on this sub, not a single post that paints Trump in a bad light, in fact they're all trying to discredit the fact that Flynn resigning may have been a bad sign.

It just seems like the comments and the articles themselves never agree with each other, which only leads me to speculate that these articles are being vote manipulated.

The mod who posted that is the same mod who pushed faked image from the dossier trying to disprove it, flagged the post as "unveriefed" then deleted it because of a "brigade". Then he banned anyone that pointed this out.

Total hypocrite. He accuses people of being shills then turns around and says he'll totally ban people who accuse you of being shills.

What he really means is "Hey guys we'll ban anyone who calls you a shill. Which you are. You shill".

Please don't let this sub become another Safe Space. Please. Free speech is not protected by authoritarian nannying. That sort of suppression should be the exact opposite aim of this sub. I have an intensely irascible and angry sounding character, and I very much like myself. I shouldn't have to tone myself down for the Truth community. We should value authenticity above all else. I welcome all diversity of opinion AND attitude.

Please, please don't let make this sub another anodized playpen for sensitive babies.

Lol the irony..

I don't think irony means what you think it means.

This is a mostly empty post until we actually see you enforcing rule number 10. Posts/comments critical of Trump's administration get called shill as a tactic to discredit them. Posts/comments critical of pizzagate evidence are met with responses calling the critic a pedo or defending pedos.

Rule 10 needs to be enforced.

Do not retaliate: avail yourself of the report button.

I find the mods enforce rule 10 more than any other.

You'd be correct

The mod who posted that is the same mod who pushed faked image from the dossier trying to disprove it, flagged the post as "unveriefed" then deleted it because of a "brigade". Then he banned anyone that pointed this out.

Total hypocrite. He accuses people of being shills then turns around and says he'll totally ban people who accuse you of being shills.

What he really means is "Hey guys we'll ban anyone who calls you a shill. Which you are. You shill".

Your best bet is to avoid being a shill

I disagree - reminding people to post civilly and follow the forum rules is not empty...

What is wrong with speaking truth?: those that discredit pg are factually pedo protectors. This is a straight fact when you've done your homework. Do you want to ban someone for speaking their truth because it's a harsh awakening for you? or is it only when used with inflammatory language: "you are fucking pedo protector cuck" note the quotes as I am not attacking here, just asking for clarification.

As a counterpoint, if you're newer to the subreddit and the mindset, please don't come in swinging your viewpoint like an axe trying to convince people. Be open minded.

For myself, and many others, being "pro-Trump" is the result of a very complex mixture of political, philosophical, spiritual, and firsthand experiential knowledge that has been developed over years. Don't assume that someone is an edgy teen just because they have an opposing viewpoint from yours.

More importantly, don't consider the above counterpoint or any others as an attack. That is thinking of the two sides like a pendulum, which in a debate just turns into a wrecking ball. Think of it instead like a counterbalance, and try and find yourself somewhere in the middle, to construct a pragmatic, balanced viewpoint.

I am just as guilty of any of this as anyone else who has acted the same way towards me

So we can't call out shills...? Sounds like something a shill would say (seriously).

A lot of the people who get called shills aren't shills but regular people. It's a shitty way to shut someone down without providing a substantial argument.

I just came back from a rule 10 ban. Smh fuck ctr.

Can we do anything about all the spam accounts? I can't believe Reddit allows more than one account from a single device, seems like an easy fix.

You know what I really miss?

https://web.archive.org/web/20110321143053/http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

https://web.archive.org/web/20111129000441/http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

https://web.archive.org/web/20120327010417/http://www.reddit.com//r/conspiracy

https://web.archive.org/web/20121107184127/http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

You have allowed T_D people turn this into shit sub with their obsession with Hillary.

The good ol' days for sure!!!!

Yep! I remember coming here reading different conspiracies, going from one link to other then to other then to other. It was fun, now it's different. Idk, feeling little sad to see how it is like now.

The real government conspiracies are too heavy for you? I like nothing more than some hollow earth conspiracy, but this political conspiracy business is the real thing. It saddens me that so many "conspiracy buffs" can't hang once the real thing comes out. Don't worry, this stuff will eventually grey buried, and you'll get to go back to your "What REALLY happened to Malaysia flight 370" posts. For now, let it roll. This is the first time in decades that people have been so receptive to political conspiracy. I understand if it scares you. It scares me. I'd rather be scared on the path to truth than to be comfortable in my bubble with my head in the sand.

That person you talked to was just a Hillary (((supporter))) man.

Politics is just show, I couldn't care less if you like Punch or Judy best.

I don't think many people here support either candidate, myself included. I definitely dislike Clinton, which is why I wish she had won in retrospect. It scares me that someone so evil can just slip back into the shadows.

Other than that bias, I completely agree with you. Things may change, but that has nothing to do with the public speaker known as POTUS. It's a stage performance.

What do those links point out? I looked at some of the comments in those threads (out of archive) and a lot of them are pretty consistent with the things I still believe, despite being a terrible T_D user as well as someone who likes to come here. I only see one Hilary Post right now, /politics/ person! (Since apparently we classify people by the subreddit we choose to tell them they "belong" to now. Sound familiar?)

Nice try, but T_D people are vile, miserable human beings. Compare /r/politics and /r/t_d front page and comments then come back and tell me I'm wrong. I'll take screenshots if you want, to show the real difference. /r/politics doesn't have people yelling, typing with caps, insults, bold letters, memes, blatantly agreeing with every single person there (even when it's straight up lies,) all stuff I saw people typing when I was in middle school. T_D is a cult, /r/politics isn't.

Links point out different conspiracies, instead of one or two (like pizzagate, which takes up most of the space here on /r/conspiracy) that we see today. You people NEED to believe that pizzagate is real to satifisy yourselves and be able to tell yourselves that you guys were right, Hillary is evil child trafficker. Cult behavior.

Wow. You sound like you need to relax. People don't communicate one one wavelength. Memes are art, meant to rouse the mind. Have you ever seen textual art before? You see art, and are disgusted. That says more about you, then the artist. (As art is often a spontaneous act of creativity and inspiration, transcendent of an individual mind. Whereas the reaction, is specific and isolated to you.)

I don't blatantly agree when I go there. Seriously, look at my posts. People like you get banned, because you've gone past the point of reasonable conversation, and The_Donald would not be allowed to exist they let people do what they do in other subreddits, and we would lose a place to discuss things we agree on.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but politics is just as bad, if you go into the comments. And your cherrypicking posts isn't going to convince me otherwise. There's a full variance of crazy on both sides.

I don't "believe" in pizzagate, I think it should be investigated (as it is being behind the scenes) because a lot of people are roused by it, and there is some creepy stuff going on there. I don't believe there is any proof of Hilary being directly involved. I don't see how it's cult behavior for some people to disagree with me about something that has a lot of people riled up for some reason. I doubt you know much more than I do about it, which isn't much, and I can tell you it's not simply just talking about pizza if you look at the leaks/symbols/trips to islands/creepy art on instagram feeds/etc.

Difference being is t_d is a circle jerk sub, and claims to be. Politics claims to be a neutral sub, and is anything but.

Probably has something to do with them hiring a new mod after, what, five years? Said mod is obnoxiously pro trump.

When the dossier dropped he tagged the post "unverified", a tag they invented just for the dossier story. Then they deleted the post because it was "brigaded by shills". Then they banned people for calling them out.

So we have a mod who deletes a front page story about trump because he accuses it of being brigaded by shills, who is now telling us he'll totally ban people who accuse people of being shills.

Do we really have to blame everything on a subreddit with anti-brigading rules so strict that even writing the name of certain subreddits is banned there?

The fact is, there's a huge conspiracy currently surrounding the Democrats and more information about it is regularly being discovered and compiled. Nobody has taken over the subreddit, there's just a good conspiracy going on at the moment.

Also, if they were posted now you would probably consider half the posts you linked as "T_D" spam. Stuff about Libya for example. The Democrats have been running the show for 8 years now so there are plenty of conspiracies about them to be discussed.

I despise Hillary, I came here after CTR took over politics. I do not think I am alone in that regard. You can despise Hillary and despise Trump. The problem is if you're against one the mentality is you're for the other. Is it so hard to criticize both sides?

it is if you're being paid by 1 of them.

The illusion of choice during elections make people forget that they are both scumbags.

No shit!!!

You aren't even from here. Fuck off.

You have allowed T_D r/politicis people turn this into shit sub with their obsession with parroting every MSM narrative they're fed Hillary.

Fixed.

lol look at the mods listed in those archives. A lot has changed since then.

But muh narrative!

Right when did /r/conspiracy become pro Trump? It's gotten to the point where ongoing conspiracy threads (Trumps Russian connection for example) are just a bunch of people defending the government against conspiracy theories.

This proves you don't know what you're talking about. This sub was highly critical of Hillary Clinton long before T_D even existed. This is not a partisan viewpoint, because I despise all political parties equally. It just so happens that Hillary is one of the most compromised, corrupt candidates ever to stand for election in modern United States history (pace Bill Clinton, LBJ and George Bush senior).

Whatever Donald Trump's faults/crimes are, they pale into comparison next to Hillary Clinton's.

Really. How about looking at reality?

Why are you not worried about who is running the show?

Why are you not worried about who is running the show?

The President runs nothing.

This proves you don't know what you're talking about

Trump's problems pale in comparison to Hillary's

Ah, yes, the irony of telling someone their opinion is wrong in a thread regarding civility.

Level Trump

I was deservingly banned for posting nonsense and after a few weeks and some groveling I was given my privileges back. I am behaving and following the rules. Thanks Mods.

Thank you for this. Everyone is subjected to their opinion(s), but it doesn't need to include insults and name-calling. I've been a victim of that on here and im glad to see this reminder that its not okay. This is one of the last places on reddit , and even on the internet you can actually get some good information from others, make uncensored comments and share your thoughts. I don't want to see this sub compromised.

everyone is subjected to their opinion(s)

unless you have the opinion that this is a corporate sponsored echo chamber designed to keep you from taking action against your masters. discussing echo chambers or how no action is ever taken results in a pretty quick ban.

Does this mean the mods are going to stop being so biased?

Nope, this is just another veiled attempt to seem like good people.

Nope, so you know what that means. You should take you and all your friends back to r/politics or whatever artificially manufactured each chamber you prefer. I don't even like Trump one bit but I can't stand all you fucks coming in here like you all have been either.

Wake up, I've been on this sub longer then you have been on Reddit. The mods have banned people for calling out their bias.

Back to The_Donald with you.

Try again, troll. Trump is a scumbag criminal lol

test - please ignore

I love that this appeal to civility only came about when the narrative switched to Trump's obvious and blatant Russian ties. Where was this when I got my own post made about me by some T_D turd calling me out as a shill? This is selective policing at its finest and it is transparent what is being pushed.

I think all bans on this sub except obvious bot/spammers is retarded. The mods have gone in and out of phases of being oversensitive about comments and deleting them. I guess we are entering one of those phases again.

Conveniently right after a major news story breaks about Trump's Russian connection that T_D can't brigade with LOL FAKE NEWS comments

Fascinating

To be fair there would be no point brigading it since the ETS people had already filled it up with some brilliant discussion points ranging from "Trump is dumb", "this post will be downvoted" and sarcastic comments about emails. Real riveting stuff.

If you wanted to prevent conversation about the Russia connections then currently the best way to do it would be to do nothing at all.

If you believe the Red Scare 2.0 bullshit, you might be lobotomized.

You can go back to circlejerking about how wonderful the MSM and establishment is in r/politics at any time. No one really cares if you leave since you're just a brainwashed establishment loving idiot.

Noted, will try.

So your telling me if I lash out and call you every name under the sun you wouldn't unban me.

Who would have thought if you be polite and respectful even mods can reasonable =P

Thanks mods. It's an unpopular opinion but I think this is actually one of the least biased subreddits on Reddit. I think people are just so conditioned to constant Trump hate from subreddits like r/politics, r/enoughtrumpspam and really most of the rest of the website that a genuinely bipartisan discussion space looks biased right to them.

Test.

I figure a stickied post might get a better chance of response from a mod, but why not be as transparent as possible? This is a conspiracy sub, populated by people who believe those in charge are hiding things from us(or those in charge are hidden from us). I'm guessing you guys have some sort of mod chat where you discuss various aspects of the sub and how to proceed, so why not make those available to the users here to view?

Not only that, but putting a sticky on certain topics seems to show there's a serious bias here. This applies especially when you(mods) feel it's fine to sticky PG stuff and also tag other ones as hoaxes and remove them. Remember when the Trump Dossier post was quickly removed with the claim it was a 4chan hoax? Maybe some of the mods here are compromised or they're explicitly trying to push their own agenda by abusing the privileges granted by being a mod. Any stickied post should be tagged with the mod's name, and so should posts that have a lot of upvotes and are removed.

Basically what I'm saying is that without transparency, why shouldn't the users of this sub seriously question the motives of those few that control it?

Dear mods,

How about we put an end to the Julian Assange is dead v alive posts?

The he is dead (or alive and turned) and subsequent speculation of it is a major resource burn that adds nothing constructive to this sub. It is degrading, divisive, and no amount of arguments for or against (or proof from Julian himself) will satisfy people debating the matter with exception to those trolling and/or trying to distract us from other possible conspiracies.

For those that need a personal opinion: After seeing the Hannity interview video and other times he has appeared publicly, I am convinced he is alive and frustrated with being stuck in that embassy. Speculative posts on his current status downplays the pain and suffering this is causing Julian and his family which reflects poorly on all people that debate this issue (and by proxy this sub itself, rule 10 states 'Posts that attack this sub' which I find 'very' poorly enforced).

I state that as an Australian, with a better understanding of the accent and mannerisms of my fellow countrymen than most people who visit this sub, and not from a position of wishful ignorance or emotional belief (see my post history if you doubt the conviction of my character).

Please, from a humanitarian angle, can we cut out that out and start actively trying to restore the quality of this sub, to better reflect what we had over six months ago?

Regards,

8n0n, Australia.

Okay, forget the brigading.

Why did you tag Trump's Dossier post as "Unverified Allegations"? Almost the entirety of Pizza Gate is unverified allegations. Almost all conspiracies in general are unverified allegations. Yet the only time you've ever used that tag is in relation to a conspiracy involving Donald Trump.

Very suspicious....

r/politics exists if you want to froth at the mouth and circlejerk over nothing stories that were debunked before shitfest rags like BuzzFeed ever got a hold of them.

Not only did they tag it, they removed it when it hit r/all, or was that a different one I'm thinking of. I unsubbed because of how bent this sub has become, but I still come back. I've loved it for years then it became clear they were censoring and politically one sided. They ruined a good thing.

This is actually very hard to believe when there are mods here who have broken numerous rules numerous times. A fine example of "do as we say, not as we do".

This is only tangentially relevant, but I was just banned from r/latestagecapitalism for being too prolific of a poster in this subreddit. Something about participating in "reactionary subs." I just feel like telling somebody.

I endorse what /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway says about the golden rule - if you treat the other users of this sub with respect you will be welcomed here. But I also think it necessary to add a warning: People who come here to attack the sub or its users (Rule 10) are likely to be banned immediately, with little chance of appeal.

This sub has been growing steadily at a rate of about 15,000 per month for some time, we are currently just outside the top 100 largest subs. However, with any influx, there will be a percentage of newcomers who cause real problems for the sub - the anti-conspiracy types who refuse to entertain conspiracy theories that haven't been endorsed by the MSM, and/or haters who feel the need to attack the sub and its users, and try to create division within the userbase.

The sub saw a large influx of Donald Trump supporters last year, attracted partly because /r/conspiracy passionately despises Hillary Clinton (who is regarded as the high priestess of Deep State corruption) but also because this sub was one of the few subs which didn't chase out Trump supporters. This influx caused quite a few problems with our existing users (in what is and always will be an apolitical, or rather anti-political, subreddit) but on the whole, this Trump influx has made decent efforts to assimilate.

However, since shortly before the US elections in November, /r/conspiracy has seen a huge uptick in abusive users, most of whom appear to be rabidly anti-Trump, and this has caused a great deal of conflict within the sub, because it initiated a proxy war between pro/anti Trump supporters which has been very destabilising. It is unclear why this anti-Trump "brigade" decided to subscribe, seeing as most of them appear to qualify as anti-conspiracists, and it has caused a lot of work for the mods. We have been removing vast numbers of hostile (Rule 10) comments and banning offenders at an unprecedented rate.

Whereas a year ago, we might have banned 1 abusive user per day on average, that figure is nearer 10 per day at the moment. If you do the maths, that represents over 1,000 bans since the start of November (and yes, you read that right). The mods do not shy away from making these decisions - we are absolutely committed to defending this sub from threats, be they internal or external.

The point of my telling you this is to emphasise my warning at the beginning of my comment. If you come here to mock the sub or denigrate or antagonise its users, or try to disrupt the free discussion of conspiracies, your comments will be removed, and you will be banned, and it is very unlikely that you will be re-admitted.

However, since shortly before the US elections in November, /r/conspiracy has seen a huge uptick in abusive users, most of whom appear to be rabidly anti-Trump, and this has caused a great deal of conflict within the sub,

These users are curiously never banned.

So you're a weaselly little snitch as well as a blatant propaganda account? That's nice dear. Thanks for supporting Globalist M.I.C. murderers and acting as a useful idiot for a Deep State crime syndicate, your parents wold be so proud. Hope they find you when the shit goes down.

When your moderation team bans people with differing points of view, and feels comfortable sending that after having banned the person with a differing point of view, you're no longer a forum for open discussion.

When you ban all the different opinions, and everyone else leaves because it is clear their different opinions will result in bans, then you have nothing more than a political echo chamber. This isn't remotely in the best interest of this community. If you lot were the makers behind Coast to Coast, you would have turned that into a more radical Rush Limbaugh show.

Fix your shit, guys. Either you are for open thought, open consideration, and open ideas or you aren't.

I don't who you think you're quoting, but I imagine there is some context there?

We don't ban people because they have different opinions. We ban people who are unable to express those opinions without also being unpleasant or abusive.

The media conditions people not just to disbelieve conspiracy theories, but to actively ridicule anybody who discusses them. A surprising number of these haters "find their way" onto our sub to express those sentiments. This sub is for discussing conspiracies, and anybody who comes here to disrupt that gets shown the door.

Apologies. I should have quoted it. It's the top post, and all over elsewhere, as an edit in this thread

I don't disagree with anything you've posted, but unpleasant and abusive seems to be where the problem is. Clearly, the mod who sent that is both. Unabashedly so--he sent it knowing it would be made public. The user who posted it was expressing an opinion contrary to what that mod was comfortable with. Unsurprisingly, he is banned. Perhaps he was unpleasant? But if that guy is the one who decides, then Houston, you guys have a big fucking problem.

I really like this sub, even if I'm in the minority with my political beliefs. I get heated. I take my down votes. I haven't been banned. That's a testament to your team. But, with what went down in that post, it's clearly just a matter of time. I no longer feel welcome.

I am still active enough in this community, outside of reddit, to attend events and pine for the days of staying up hours past bedtime listening to Art Bell. Seeing that guy's edit feels personal to me, somehow. People with similar points of view to me are no longer welcome, and are treated like shit by, at least, one of the higher ups, and banned by those/that same people/person.

I don't know, I guess. It just sucks. I don't like it. I'll stop rambling.

I agree the comments were on the severe side, but users who try to thwart bans, like the person my fellow mod was so eloquently berating, don't have the right to be here, or any of the rights that go with being a subscriber.

We expect regular users to sometimes lose their cool - the mods do it on occasion too, although we try not to show it. For this reason the mods will always take into account provocation and a user's historical contribution before issuing a ban.

You people have devolved into a new tool for Trump supporters.

Go ahead, ban me, I expect nothing better from you.

"Critical thinking" Fucking hysterical.

Just come out and say that any and all attempts to discuss the current administration will be met with ridicule and subversive moderation. This "anti-trump" brigade you talk about is just the mod team not understanding the users. The issue isn't trump, the issue is trumps actions. I don't give a fuck bout trump the man, but I do care about his actions.

any and all attempts to discuss the current administration will be met with ridicule and subversive moderation.

Be my guest if you want to ridicule his stupid Mexican Wall, or lampoon his poorly thought out Muslim travel ban, or mock him for telling Putin he "expects" Russia to pull out of Crimea. The man is making poor decisions, based on poor advice.

But the MSM-peddled narrative that Trump is Putin's stooge is a fake conspiracy, a psyop to dupe those who mainline from the mainstream media. The regular users of this sub are just not convinced by it at all, and the credulous conspiracy neophytes who are swarming over our sub wittering on about this fake conspiracy are an irritant.

The truth is that Trump is perceived as a threat by the CIA and the Deep State, insofar that he is not under their direct control, and they are doing everything to get him impeached. Whatever you think about Trump, he is the elected President, and the US will descend into a dark place if he is ousted by the unelected elite.

That's your narrative. The one you choose to pursue. You can't peddle it as the state of this subreddit. This subreddit is more than an echo chamber about psyops and the deep state. Those are separate conspiracies that you've chosen to weave together. It's not right to mitigate an opposition opinion. You're painting a picture that if people don't agree with your conspiracies then they are wrong.

I share my opinions, and you are equally entitled to share yours. Excuse me for not being convinced by your conveniently pre-packaged "conspiracy" narratives, handed to you on a silver tray by the self-serving mainstream media.

I don't use mod privileges to push my narrative. I don't sticky comments, posts, or add flairs to obviscate an opposing view. Excuse me for holding you to the standard of non partiality in your mod role.

Stickies and flairs are tools to help present the mod team's views, provide explanatory notes/corrections and clarify individual mod actions. I don't think we abuse them, but again, that's just my opinion.

"The Trump influx has made a decent effort to assimilate." Judging by how vastly the sub has changed and how many bans you are handing out now, only to anti-trump supporters, I ask that you prove your claim that there has been an effort to assimilate by pro-trump supporters. There have been countless cases of vote and post brigading that I have seen, I wonder why you have chosen to only point out anti-trump examples. I also ask when and why the mod team became politically biased. .......... Hell, who am I kidding, I already know the answer like everyone else here - this sub has been aggressively taken over by trump supporters who are silencing opinions they disagree with at every opportunity. The mod team and new Donald users want people with different opinions out of the sub - many of whom are the ones who started & contributed to its somewhat positive reputation on reddit - and have made this sub into a laughingstock that will never reach the front page unless brigade tactics are used. I'm genuinely upset about that fact. Up until now the sub has been one of the biggest forces in legitimizing conspiracy theories to the average Joe. Now, its seen as a TD megaphone sub.

Despite a 6 year reddit account, you have no history of posting here. This would appear to demonstrate you have no real interest in conspiracies, yet you appear, seemingly out of nowhere just to complain about the sub?

If you want to participate here, you are very welcome to do so, but you don't have the right to impose your narrow worldview on genuine users who have contributed meaningfully to this sub for a long time.

You didn't answer either question, and did your best to discredit my opinion. You know I use alts like every other long term user here, and you know I wouldn't comment unless I cared about what this sub used to be. This is a message to the rest of the mod team: this mod is biased, and is actively silencing conspiracies he disagrees with. If this sub reddit continues down this path, we will rightfully be seen as a biased source of info - and any impact we had on the reddit userbase will be gone. Again, I deeply care about this sub reddit, and I know you do too. Thank you for making this place what it was, and all the best in the future.

I deeply care about this sub reddit...

Just not enough to post here using my main account.

I do post here on my main, mate! And while I appreciate the snide attitude you bring to my day, I'm not interested in getting into a battle of who gets the last word. Have a good day!

This whole exchange is EXACLTY what people are talking about

The mod coddles trump supporters and blame antis as the problem, then speaks of unbiased moderation. What a crock.

Great summary. This sub provides me great joy and hope for the future. Many brilliant minds are not good with conflict and this forum was their comfortable and familiar home. Good to see it will remain that way.

Any chance this sub has a discord?

Thanks for my repatriation. I'll do my best to not fuck up again.

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Very nicely written I I support it

There are far too many people whining about the sub. Especially in this thread. If you don't like the content, create better content.

You guys are awesome in my opinion keep it up

Unfortunately, the current set of mods on /r/conspiracy have proven they are only interested in curating the content to their particular bias.

It's really sort of sad, this subreddit used to have some genuinely interesting content.

Just wanted to pop in and say ya'll are doing a great job, i know things are crazy but i still love this sub. Keep up the good work!

This is for actual conspiracies. Not everything you dimwits hear on Alex Jones

I have created a new account. I tried to reason with you guys to no avail. I was ignored and sad for a couple of days. The least you could have done is to ban the bastard too. Never mind the past. The future is glowing !

Thank you. You will be my go-to guy if anything happens. Much love !

You making this post political doesn't make you look intelligent. Why not save the hard sell for where it is relevant?

A. Never called you a dick.

B. People disagree with you=shills is exactly what I'm talking about. You're proving my point.

PM me any time if something of that nature happens again

You're assuring us modmail is broken. Why not fix that first?

You're so far up Trump's ass you can't even see how he's openly fucking you.

Your literally just said "I am here a lot". Well which is it?

No can do sir. I shall keep posting and debunking here, since the people being fooled don't visit /r/skeptic. What's the point of debunking misinformation if no one's around to see it?

You are admitting you only come here to debunk

Yep.

You consider this sub "entertainment", you aren't 'very much into' conspiracies

Ugh, I said that once or twice in threads that had absolutely ridiculous topics. Don't exaggerate.

You are using an alt to conceal the other subs you frequent

Hell yes I am. The kinds of people who PM this account are sickos. Don't want my main tarnished.

You could take your claims and accusations elsewhere but you want to stick around in this sub that you are diametrically opposed to simply because it gives you the best chance at changing the mindset of the userbase of said sub.

Correct.

You have your own dehumanizing terminology calling people fascist / Russian who disagree with you

Nope. I've only ever called people "fascist" today, when they were happy about CNN being banned or those with opposite viewpoints being banned. Nothing "dehumanizing" about it. Way to play the victim.

And yet, you are confused and disheartened when people call you a shill?

Considering I'm not as hill, I am certainly frustrated at being called a shill.

I just think you're entirely misguided and somewhat a "useful idiot" a term you've repeatedly used to describe users of this sub.

Believe what you want. I don't really care what you think I am or am not.

Removed. Ruleten.

Participating on /r/conspiracy without being banned is actually pretty easy - I managed it for years despite having comments/posts removed, and disagreeing strongly with certain mods on occasion.

If you haven't noticed, this sub has been under attack since just before the US elections. We have had to ban an unprecedented number of (mostly unknown) users for abuse and attacking the sub during this 3-4 month period. It has got to the stage where there is very little tolerance for users who break Rule 10.

My point is the whole of reddit is a free space for liberal sentiments with no fear of repercussions or bans for choosing a certain side politically or participating in certain subs, this is patently not the case for anyone supporting Donald.

Your post was removed, were you talking about a certain mod's notorious anti-semitism?

Checkmate

No, I recognise a fellow outcast. I don't agree with them politically but I understand they have nowhere else to go.

If you are banned how do you comment?

Are you serious? No, really, was that you being serious?

r/politics exists if you want to froth at the mouth and circlejerk over nothing stories that were debunked before shitfest rags like BuzzFeed ever got a hold of them.

I share my opinions, and you are equally entitled to share yours. Excuse me for not being convinced by your conveniently pre-packaged "conspiracy" narratives, handed to you on a silver tray by the self-serving mainstream media.

Not only did they tag it, they removed it when it hit r/all, or was that a different one I'm thinking of. I unsubbed because of how bent this sub has become, but I still come back. I've loved it for years then it became clear they were censoring and politically one sided. They ruined a good thing.