Don't let them get you down. They are here to talk about Flynn and Seaman and to badtalk Pgate.

Talk about Flynn ("well yeah, this is pretty good to see").

Turning that news into a mocking PG thread ("nothing to see here, just people wanting to push their narratives").

The post about Flynn got to r/all

People found it fucking batshit that the reddit sub dedicated to conspiracy was actively ignoring any trump conspiracy ideas, instead focusing on pizzagate being a one party problem/hillary stuff.

I am a Trump voter. I read the conspiracy stuff here about him because I have an open mind. I even posted on here questioning his cozy relationship with Bill Clinton. They came here and insulted the heck out of us. Then started pro-Hillary crap like she still had a chance of winning. Said this is a safe place for Trump supporters. Ahhh. He is POTUS, why wouldn't we be welcome everywhere. I'm not here to shill for Trump and don't expect to have to listen to them shill for Hill.

They whine about how this was "ignored" for the whole week and come in all at once repeating the same things.

Where the fuck were they this week to get those posts up on the frontpage? Because they sure as hell didn't get there alone lol

Well, the ctr stuff has definitely slowed since the end of the election, now the amount of regular people who try to engage in conversation about this stuff for the first time are automatically called shills. So you can't expect them to hang around talking to a wall, ya know?

And you can't have things both ways, if trump is going to be talked about as a savior here, then you have to expect some backlash. the posts criticizing, or even questioning trump get downvoted and ignored simply because of the amount of the donald members here.

And that's fine, but its really depressing that this sub immediately gets rid of a post trying to talk about the Trump/russia connections which there are quite a few. Not talking about it, or his cabinet members, or his use of a private server, or his use of his unsecure android phone, or his business practices, or any of his other questionable decisions on a sub that went so hard against everyone else is a travesty.

I get people want to have hope that he is an outsider who's going to do great things, but turning a blind eye to what's happening just makes it worse.

Hillary Clinton is no longer an issue, (thank god) yet people are still using her as a scapegoat to why trump is good, which needs to stop if there will be any progress towards bridging the gap between the right and left. Relegate her name to the conversations for which actual evidence is found, or at least hold our current president to the same standards as she was and continues to be scrutinized by.

Otherwise, r/conspiracy is just going to turn into another propaganda piece, just for our current government. The one that can actually do the most damage to us.

Well, the ctr stuff has definitely slowed since the end of the election, now the amount of regular people who try to engage in conversation about this stuff for the first time are automatically called shills. So you can't expect them to hang around talking to a wall, ya know?

And you can't have things both ways, if trump is going to be talked about as a savior here, then you have to expect some backlash. the posts criticizing, or even questioning trump get downvoted and ignored simply because of the amount of the donald members here.

And that's fine, but its really depressing that this sub immediately gets rid of a post trying to talk about the Trump/russia connections which there are quite a few. Not talking about it, or his cabinet members, or his use of a private server, or his use of his unsecure android phone, or his business practices, or any of his other questionable decisions on a sub that went so hard against everyone else is a travesty.

I get people want to have hope that he is an outsider who's going to do great things, but turning a blind eye to what's happening just makes it worse.

Hillary Clinton is no longer an issue, (thank god) yet people are still using her as a scapegoat to why trump is good, which needs to stop if there will be any progress towards bridging the gap between the right and left. Relegate her name to the conversations for which actual evidence is found, or at least hold our current president to the same standards as she was and continues to be scrutinized by.

Otherwise, r/conspiracy is just going to turn into another propaganda piece, just for our current government. The one that can actually do the most damage to us.

What about the connection where Hillary sold Russia 20 percent of US uranium for hundreds of millions

This is a direct quote from what you responded to.

"I get people want to have hope that he is an outsider who's going to do great things for us, but turning a blind eye to what's actually happening doesn't make that happen, and what's worse, is it just makes this sub even less credible.

Hillary Clinton is no longer an issue, (thank god) yet people are still using her as a scapegoat to why trump is good,"

So once again, hillary clinton out of the picture, and deflecting all criticism of trump to, "we'll what about when barack," or "what about when hillary," literally has no bearing whatsoever on what trump is doing.

So what is Trump doing that is so horrible, you talk about all these connections. The only one I have seen about connections was forced on us by shills and hold no weight. He is an international businessman not like it would be hard to assume he has a couple of connections with Russia. Furthermore what is wrong with that we need to be allies with Russia not cold war enemy's again. They fight him on every decision he makes. If you have so many Trump conspiracies that are relevant and have actual weight to them other than just some vague connection that doesn't matter anyway post them. This isn't TD if the conspiracy has weight it will be listened to however the ignorance that everyone here is Pro tTrump simply because we dont have a bunch of conspiracies on the top of the page about him is wrong. Maybe it is because he hasn't done anything that bad or that even compares to the crap the left has been pulling. Trump isn't perfect but compared to these other people he is small apples in my opinion. Until something actually relevant breaks I will continue to argue the Hillary stuff is more important simply because her corruption didn't end with the election. Seems to me you are just wanting the focus off the issues that we are actually involved in right now and onto Trump for whatever reason. Like I said if there is anything about Trump that is actually worthy post it.

" the Trump/russia connections which there are quite a few. Not talking about it, or his cabinet members, or his use of a private server, or his use of his unsecure android phone, or his business practices, or his ridiculous about face on his "drain the swamp" promise, or any of his other questionable decisions."

I get the feeling you just skimmed over my initial post, so there ya go.

As for trying to put the focus of trump...

I was just explaining to the new guy why I thought the sub had changed so much, plus You literally just said if I had anything to post it, so I did. Which is what we're talking about right now.

Gotta have a booger for the men to call boogeyman.

Likewise, DT is not initiated so he will always face opposition.

Wow.

That was approved by multiple government agencies, including Canada.

Textbook whataboutism right here.

lmao

I am a Trump voter. No shit!

redditor for 16 days.....

How did they surmise that by one post?

See the post, find the sub for the first time, or rediscover it after unsubscribing do to all the nonsense, check out the top posts and only see negative stuff on hillary, and literally nothing bad about trump.

I'd suggest posting any Trump conspiracies you have. It's not like the mods remove them.

lol good one

That was a obvious brigade. Try to be more subtle next time.

It hit /r/all. That doesn't make it a brigade, nor does it make it less true. And you just claimed that the mods would not remove Trump conspiracies, yet..

The mods determined it was a brigade and I defer to them. Having browsed this sub for years I feel confident in their proclivities and abilities.

The mods removed it because it was a Trump conspiracy that gained popularity on their subreddit. And you just claimed that they wouldn't remove Trump conspiracy posts.

Also I appreciate you editing your post up there to bold and highlight the one example I posted. So here's another.

The mods removed it because it was a Trump conspiracy that gained popularity on their subreddit.

That's a theory. Now all you have to do is prove it.

And you just claimed that they wouldn't remove Trump conspiracy posts.

Not as a rule, but brigading is against sitewide Reddit rules, so if the mods determined there was a brigade afoot, I would expect them to remove the offending post every time.

Ahh, okay. Well if the mods said they removed the post because of brigading and not because it was a Trump conspiracy, then it must be true.

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I will continue to operate under that understanding. You are free to do otherwise.

One of the best things about this sub is that it doesn't censor

I literally just posted two examples of this sub censoring.

No, you literally just posted two examples of vote brigading. On the contrary, /r/politics filters out most if not all non left leaning sources. That's censorship. I am not aware of any sources filtered in this sub. See the difference between enforcing Reddit's rules and censoring sources which might produce information running counter to your desired narrative?

Go fuck yourself globalist loving shill trash.

This sub is so fucking slid by shills I'm done.

The entirety of Reddit is infested with shills. This sub has become a new battleground for the alt right shills and the Shillarys.

I voted for Donald trump. My vote didn't matter because CA is CA but I know what Hillary is and I had to vote for anything but Hillary. I don't agree with everything he is for. I am not the loud T_D minority.

I will hold him accountable for his actions and fairly criticize his policies I don't agree with as a registered independent and lifelong conspiracy enthusiast. I am also very interested in real discourse about all conspiracies here.

That is an impossible feat when the top comment on a legitimate conspiracy post regarding new info on pizzagate, with 30-40 more upvotes than any other comment in the thread, is merely naysaying the content with no evidence and is nothing more than a sarcastic jab that offers nothing to discussion.

Seems clear there are entities fighting over this sub as we speak, and those entities come from the left and the right. Either way, I won't let downvotes dissuade me from participating.

I wouldn't bother, the ShariaBlue trash have pretty much taken over this sub. Like MuscaAdhesive, Krom_Bom etc.

They never taught me how to give up in USMC boot camp ;)

Marxists don't support Clinton you moron. Holy fuck, I don't even think you know what that even means.

The mods could remove this sub from /r/all with the click of a button to prevent brigades.

You don't get to choose to have your sub show up in /r/all and then complain about people finding your sub in /r/all.

You don't get to choose to have your sub show up in /r/all and then complain about people finding your sub in /r/all.

They found the link which likely drew people. it was an NP link. There was even a poster who admitted to finding the submission via that link. So far I see two examples in the last month or so. Also, Pizzagate has been the dominant subject, which implicates Democrats like Podesta, Clinton, et al. Finally, we just had 8 yrs of unconstitutional governance from Team Obama. Coverage of topics in this sub tends to be cyclical, and right now, perhaps, much of the sub is hasn't completely adjusted to the Trump presidency and all it will entail. I mean, it's only 4 weeks old.

I'd love to see this link

I've seen more than one. Anything that his r/all that is anti-Trump will look like an "obvious brigade".

Can you testify definitively that it wasn't the brigade which vaulted the submission into /r/all?

Can you testify definitively that it wasn't the brigade which vaulted the submission(s) in question into /r/all?

Can you prove that it was? Of course you can't. Why not address the points made within the post or the story itself instead of constantly crying foul about brigades? People could say the same about pro-Trump posts being "brigaded" upward, but what's the point? Nothing will ever confirm or disprove the assertion, so why not stick to addressing the post itself?

Can you prove that it was?

That was in response to the original claim, which was the mods were censoring posts critical of President trump. It is not on me to prove anything.

That was in response to the original claim, which was the mods were censoring posts critical of President Trump. The only proof offered were two submissions tagged as brigaded, in over a month. To me, that's far from beyond a reasonable doubt or a preponderance of the evidence scenario.

It's literal evidence of the claim.

Why not worry about yourself? I'll do the same.

Thanks for the discussion.

It's literal evidence of the claim.

Not to me. I was active in one of those submissions and I definitely saw it as a brigade. Having been a member of this sub for ovr 8 yrs on various accounts, I feel very confident in the mods and their desire to keep this place censorship free. Censorship is what /r/politics does to right wing sources. Censorship is what Reddit does to topics it doesn't want discussed. Mods taggind two posts in a month's time as brigaded, and them removing those posts is hardly evidence of censorship.

Not to me. I was active in one of those submissions and I definitely saw it as a brigade. Having been a member of this sub for over 8 yrs on various accounts, I feel very confident in the mods and their desire to keep this place censorship free.

You "felt" it was a brigade. Great, but you cannot prove it was or wasn't. The entire point of my post, that you apparently missed, was why not address the post and content within instead of hand-waving discourse as brigading when you've no evidence and doing so is meaningless. I see people constantly labeling others as shills, using account age and post history, and claims of brigading when forced to confront ideas or stories that they disagree with instead of discussing the actual content. It's intellectually dishonest and only does harm to the quality of discourse within this sub.

I tend to ignore people when they suggest they know better for me than I do.

I see that you handle suggestions and criticism well. Must be great to have nothing to improve on! Sarcasm aside, I would rather see quality discourse instead of intellectual dishonesty and division within this sub. That isn't to say that you are as this is more of a general statement about the state of this sub.

Says the r/politics globalist lover.

That "conspiracy" was debunked immediately. It was proven buzzfeed was bullshit right away

What? The m16 dossier was immediately debunked? More and more details from it are verified every week. At worst the 'pissgate' element is unverifiable, yet pizzagate is discussed ad nauseum despite the founding "evidence" being made up code words originating in 4chan.

It didn't come 4chan. Nyt posted an article with the exact same pedo logos back in 2006

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/technology/21pedo.html

You must be new here. It's about the code, not these symbols. By the way you can find double hearts or blue spirals in many totally unrelated stuff.

Fuck, that's why they use those symbols in the first place. Because they can be seen anywhere and aren't suspicious when they pop up. It's clear enough to signal to other pedos with a bit more on top, but common enough to just tell people you like artsy triangles.

You've set up a situation where you can't be wrong even if you're wrong. If the symbols are so common that you see them everywhere, then they're useless. You'd have pedophiles going into laundrymats and coffee shops trolling for kids all the time because they had a circle or something on their sign.

It's not about the code though. You guys just keep mentioning it since it came from chan so you can discredit it. Even without the pizza and dominos codes there's still a fuck ton of incriminating evidence around pizzagate

The code words are 4chan generated. The symbology accusations only came later, when people decided that ping pong pizza was related -- largely due to their logo being a spiral pizza slice similar to one of the logos you linked. The symbol connection is super weak. The 'girl lover' symbol is literally just a double heart. Today is valentines day, I wonder how many people you could 'implicate' in pizzagate based on that symbol. The triple triangle spiral is slightly more distinctive, but still common. Here is a google image search for 'triangle spiral' - scroll a bit and look at how many are similar or identical to the image in your linked story. Do you think all those stores, websites, stock image providers etc are involved in rapping boys?

Not all but a lot. & a lot of the stores that do have them are interconnected beyond business.

Because buzzfeed. Jesus fucking Christ have some standards.

Oh, but random YouTube videos and /pol/ are perfectly good sources?

At least they are independent. Buzzfeed is a joke. Anyone who defends the MSM doesnt understand propaganda 101.

I didn't downvote you.

I did just now, but just because of the combination of whining about a downvote while saying something false (about the mods here deleting Trump conspiracies).

First, I didn't downvote you.

Second, the topics do get posted, then they're immediately dismissed as msm bias or fake news.

I've posted a ton. They never make it out of new because a cabal of users sits there and sways the narrative, aggressively shitting all over the posters trying to discuss the topic, and furiously downvoting everything not pro-Trump.

That's always been true in this sub....but the cabal changes. One example is pizzagate. For a while, those posts were all being heavily downvoted and couldn't make it out of the new que. There have been numerous examples over the years of cabals of users downvoting any submission they didn't like. It is no different in any of the main subs like /r/news or /r/politics. People are free to up or downvote submissions as they see fit, and yes, many entities break Reddit rules, use botnets, etc, to give the appearance that more people are either for or against a particular thing. Try this exercise: post an article which paints Trump in a positive light top /r/politics. See how fast it goes into the negatives....and that's assuming your source is accepted by their ministry of truth. That's one thing you don;thave to worry about here....no one is censoring your sources of info.

TLDR: Because this sub actually cares about putting elites proven to have broken the law thousands of times in jail instead of whatever fan fiction BuzzFeed is currently fabricating, it's a "pro-Trump" sub /s

Only an r/politics brainwashed fucktard could possibly come up with something so fucking retarded.

but how did they surmise we are "actively ignoring any Trump conspiracy ideas, and instead focused only one party and Hillary stuff" by looking at one post which made it to /r/all?

It's well known that /r/conspiracy is just another alt right sub shilling for trump. It's not that they looked at one post and knew. It's that they just knew it before hand, saw the post on the front page, and decided to see how an alt right pro trump sub was reacting. Then they comment cause why not, they're there. Then they get accused of being shills. Then they remember that yes, this is an alt right sub shilling for trump.

It's well known that /r/conspiracy is just another alt right sub shilling for trump.

I know that's what Democrats think. That doesn't make it a fact though. I didn't vote for Trump and will happily lambast him when he violates the Constitution as Obama did. Example: He has already committed a crime by assassinating a US citizen extrajudicially. Unfortunately, Obama established the precedent that it was ok to do so.

Fine. Maybe you do that. But the rest of this sub doesn't half the users post on the donald. And wait a week, then post a negative trump story. It'll be lucky to get six upvotes.

Maybe you're neutral, but this sub isn't.

Depending on the day, and post, this sub is either pro-Democrat/anti-Trump, or Pro Trump/Anti-Democrat. Neither side appears to be able to hold onto the momentum for any amount of time, because neither side is truly organic to this sub.

Pizzagate. Anyone who is still fixated on this is a fucking moron. Pizzagate is how you get the public to dismiss all conspiracies.

Pizzagate. Anyone who is still fixated on this is a fucking moron

Says the many Democrats I come across.

Pizzagate is how you get the public to dismiss all conspiracies.

Gosh golly, you're right. Let's scrub pizzagate from the sub before we scare open minded people away.

Lol. Democrat.

Thanks for the laugh. Moron. How long are you going to hold on to that pathetic "conspiracy"? 4 years? 10? Good luck convincing literally anyone to buy into your narrative.

.Lol. Democrat.

Yes, Democrat. Your comments give this alt account of yours away...even if you don't realize it. Yes, Democrats think pizza gate is silly, republicans swear by it, and the rest of us in the middle have an open mind.

republicans swear by it

Seriously, you need to get out more. But thanks for making me aware that my voting record is in the comment history of this throwaway account. Fortunately for idiots like you I don't care. Simpleton.

republicans swear by it

Seriously, you need to get out more. But thanks for making me aware that my voting record is in the comment history of this throwaway account. Fortunately for idiots like you I don't care. Simpleton.

Fortunately for idiots like you I don't care. Simpleton.

Must be why you addressed the accusation and tried to deflect, because you don't care. Thanks for taking the time to clarify...my fine young apparatchik.

Deflect? WTF are you even talking about?

Am I supposed to address the accusation that I'm a Democrat? Or the fact that you are deluded enough to think that half the country even has an opinion about pg? or that somehow you going through my post history proves that you are very smart?

Holy fuck man your stupidity knows no bounds.

Deflect? WTF are you even talking about?

Sorry, class is over. The bell rang an hour ago.

Lol. Sure. It's called Dunning-Kruger, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Rule 4.

Funny how divisively partisan that issue has become.

Funny how partisan an internet rumor spread almost exclusively by Trump supporters, at least in the beginning, and made it to the front page of the Donald Trump subreddit every single day leading up to the election is?

long before it got to /r/all, right after it just posted, the reply I wrote containing my theory got downvoted to -10, within 10-15 minutes of posting it.

I think upvote-bots choose which threads here get all the votes, and therefore get to the top of /r/all, allowing for astroturfing to set the tone of those threads. look at how all the replies to my comment were telling me that I was believing in the wrong conspiracy theory!

Yeah, I replied to you in that chain as well. A lot of people gave you reasons when you complained about the down votes then. That you're still ignoring what all of those people said in favor of believing manufactured dissent is the cause. Also, people that complain about being down voted usually get down voted more. History repeats itself I guess.

Also, people that complain about being down voted usually get down voted more. History repeats itself I guess.

actually I've gained votes on that post since actual humans started reading it overnight instead; it was at -10 at first, now it's hovering just above 0.

the hilarious thing about downvote brigades trying to silence opinions on this sub is, people who read and post here are smart enough to sort by controversial and/or sort by top, but look at the bottom of the thread, if the opinions at the top don't sit right with them.

actually I've gained votes on that post since actual humans started reading it overnight instead; it was at -10 at first, now it's hovering just above 0.

Sure. My points still stands, however. Through all of this, however, the most troubling thing is that votes come in waves. Whether that's for or against a position. It's almost like this sub is a battleground for different outside groups.

your theory got downvotes cause its bad, the denial that post expresses is olmypic level mental gymnastics, flynn is a patriot and a hero? Trump has gained ground? LoL, keep telling yourself that buddy, the rest of us are ready to talk to you here in the real world if you ever feel like joining us. But please, enough with the incoherent trump fanfiction, you sound like bahgdad bob.

shaming me for thinking outside the box isn't going to stop me from doing it!

why are you attacking people for having alternative perspectives on reality, on a conspiracy theory forum?

shaming me for thinking outside the box

you haven't demonstrated doing that at all, you could have been quoting a fox news talking head spin doctor frankly. Who convinced you supporting trump against all logic or evidence was unique or new or original in anyway, and was that person saying basically the same thing too?

fox news

your memes are behind the times, friend. it's 2017, Fox News is "okay" now (though still not as good as liberal-approved CNN), you're supposed to be accusing me of watching Infowars or reading Breitbart

and yes, you've caught me; I could have been repeating someone else's theory. but unless you can find someone else saying the same thing I said, before I said it, you'll have a hard time proving it.

believe it or not, I actually reached the conclusions for my theory on my own; using my own brain(!), I was able to look at what the mainstream mass media is telling us, and infer a possible alternate explanation.

again, there should be no reason for hostility; all I am doing is expressing ideas, fleeting thoughts that passed through my mind, thoughts that nobody else but me might be exposed to if the Internet didn't exist and I was able to share them.

so what's the problem with sharing ideas? if they're wrong, and provably so, then it's no skin off my back. but if they have any truth to them at all, or even if they don't but they cause someone reading them to think even further outside the box, in ways that I did or could not... is it really so bad to just share them, here on a subreddit expressly focused on sharing and discussing conspiracy theories?

I was able to look at what the mainstream mass media is telling us, and infer a possible alternate explanation

which just coincidentally happens to be the exact same narrative being parroted by fox(the biggest, thus most "mainstream" tv news station), breitbart, and the right wing talk radio! Amazing how many original thinkers all having the same ideas at the same time in those forums, just incredible.

look at the timestamp on my first post; was Fox News even on at that hour?

am I supposed to be some conservative and/or Fox News shill now?

its a 24 hour station, so yes.

It's not that we ignore trump conspiracies. It's just they end very quickly once you look into them.

The Clinton foundation & pizzagate lead us down an endless rabithole.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner

No, it's batshit that a conspiracy forum has legions of posters parroting the main stream media's talking points. Anyone who actually follows this sub knows when the MSM talks, this sub goes the opposite way because it's a CONSPIRACY!

Now that the media bashes Trump, continuing the conspiratorial line of thinking that the MSM is bullshit now means you fail Reddit's new "Anti Trump Purity Test".

Sad but true.

I bet if people knew the fact that Trump is actually in control of very little of the government, it wouldn't be nearly as bad. He commands the military, the DHS (we'll see what happens now that Flynn is gone), and a small group of loyalists.

I'm pretty sure the shills are just trying to dig up anything as a distraction from cp pg now. Stay on target!

There are alternatives as to why you're downvioted. You sounding like a delusional muppet, por ejemplo

If you're not getting paid by Soros you're simply working for free, doing exactly what he wants. At least get paid dude.

Does Trump reach around? See how his works all ways? And how dumb you think it sounds from me, think about that for a minute. Probably won't be long enough, given your track record, but try hard.

I have no idea what you mean by that. Reword so it makes sense?

I'm shocked. Lulz.

Playing dumb doesn't make you look intelligent.

How do you get paid by Soros or whomever? I've asked before but nobody seems to know anything. I don't even mind getting paid to shill for Trump. Do you have any info?

Probably because Trump is now the establishment. That's what makes conspiracy theorists so funny: by definition, they can't win it be known to be right. If they are, they just become "The Man".

They can only have a solid identity as long as they lose and are discredited.

Probably because Trump is now the establishment.

This really can't be emphasized enough.

He was always the establishment, really. A billionaire real estate developer with ties to Hollywood and business leaders across the world? The very definition of establishment.

And now he's the President of the United States, surrounded by powerful, rich, influential people.

He's the exact sort of person conspiracy theorists would normally be watching like a hawk.

Which is why posts like this one are so hilariously stupid and transparent.

This sub isn't T_D, but there are a large number of people trying to make it a branch of T_D.

And no one who actually reads this sub regularly thinks it's pro-Hillary. That's so obscenely stupid I don't even know where to begin. It's been aggressively anti-Clinton for years and likely always will be. It's routinely flooded with anti-Clinton posts, even now that she's out and Trump is in.

This thread is ridiculous.

Probably because Trump is now the establishment

Except he's not, not by the conspiracy subs traditional definition of the word. The "establishment" is the Main Stream Media, and the corporations that own it and profit from it. The "establishment" has been anti Trump for the entirety of the election, and are still anti Trump.

Just because he's the President, doesn't mean all those with vested interests in the previous status quo just dissappeared from the face of the Earth. They are still very much alive, very much in control and fighting tooth and nail to make sure they don't lose much.

Except he's not, not by the conspiracy subs traditional definition of the word. The "establishment" is the Main Stream Media, and the corporations that own it and profit from it. The "establishment" has been anti Trump for the entirety of the election, and are still anti Trump.

You mean like Rupert Murdoch, maybe the biggest MSM mogel in the world - who is a close friend and ardent supporter of Trump?

It is all CTR, or whatever the hell they are calling themselves these days. It is not real. It is all manufactured decent.

But there were so many of them and they were so mean.

Have you not seen the riots?

Yes the Soros funded riots. We have all seen that facade., We've also seen all of the Craigslist ads looking to hire rioters or protesters. It all seems to be the same lately.

Can you link me to the ads? I could do with a little extra cash.

Can you link me to the ads?

yes.

Can you find them your own?

I dunno which ones are the fake ones. Help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance :)

It was nearly as bad as the Bowling Green Massacre

Keep the victims in your thoughts and imaginations. ^{No, it's not real.}

Oh, look. A bot dedicated to spill a narrative.

I'd imagine that people being labeled shills constantly while some of the most popular posts involving Trump were removed irritated people. If you've been a regular, especially recently, then you've surely seen the growing discontent. Also, just because someone has "Anti-Trump" opinions doesn't mean that they're pro-Clinton.

The echo chamber aspect is most interesting to me though. You have users from a sub that are not used to any discourse reacting to one thread that reached /r/all. You can differentiate these posters by their verbiage, which is curious on its own, and getting to see their reactions is interesting. I could be wrong, but it seems like many don't like having their opinions or ideas challenged. Either way, the reaction is interesting to me.

Did you try and engage those that you think are "mean"? Tried to understand their positions or empathize? Do you think that all anti-Trump positions or opinions make someone pro-Clinton?

You can differentiate these posters by their verbiage, which is curious on its own, and getting to see their reactions is interesting.

Yep. T_D fanatics out themselves constantly by talking like 4th graders. Frankly, it's embarrassing to see in a sub I used to like.

manufactured dissent. I like it! Someone could write a whole book on that topic.

I wish I had an army of bots to call people crazy. Imagine the benefits of being able to actively change public opinion. It's almost like you could ensure you're properly represented in government, able to secure trade deals for your corporation, undermine opposition governments or, fuck it all, have your creepy emails published for the world to see and simply discount it as crazy kookiness from team Republican.

Yeah, there's no way that someone could organically disagree. It has to be manufactured dissent.

Says the Hillary supporting globalist trash. Super credible, guy /s

I find it hilarious people think Hillary is paying people to monitor /r/conspiracy to defend her months after she lost the election.

Bingo.

Wow, and we thought Bush lived in a bubble.

The majority of the country hates Trump. Reddit is overflowing with people who hate him and his actions and his corrupt cabinet members and business connections. It's not manufactured at all.

Thank you for posting this... I was feeling lost!

You could try having discussions, in good faith, with people that you disagree with. You shouldn't feel lost when faced with an opposing view. Have a good day.

Don't worry. It's painfully obvious. Just keep calmly pointing them out.

Well this sub in theory is about going after the truth. It was never anti Trump, anti Hillary, or anti Bernie.

I always Look at the AGE of the account. If you don't have RES then get it so you can just hover over a username to see the age.

15 days. Nice.

My account is 3 years older than yours, does that mean my opinion is more valid or important? How about you start addressing the content of the post instead of the poster?

The content of this two week old OPs post is also addressed many many times.

Right, I had to edit my original post. I meant that it's becoming all too frequent to see a posters account age and post history being used to discredit the poster instead of addressing points made within said post. I view it as intellectual dishonest and it doesn't help the quality of discourse within a sub when it is the norm.

No, nothing to do with that. Generally accounts less than 6 months or so were started by people with an agenda in mind from what I have seen when they are posting in a handful of controversial subs.
Nope, doesn't mean that I was here first........

SHAREBLUE IS CTR

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

Downvoting shareblue references makes it completely obvious what you guys are doing, just a heads up.

I downvote low effort comments.

Your post history confirms you're a troll who only supports anti Trump narratives. DEPORT

And you're his right wing mirror image.

If you think being anti trump is trolling then you should rethink things

Go back to T_D, shill

Go back to r/politics, Hitlery shill.

Block, block, block.

It's spelled Brock.

Who the fuck cares whether it's shills or not, it does not make the story that came out any less true. This sub did bury the shit out of the trump Russia links and now there is valid proof of it and Trump just had national security advisor resign for his talks with Russia, plus manafort who also resigned due to his Russia connections, and Rex tillerson with the mass amounts of money he makes off of lifting the sanctions in Russia. It all fits together. I'm not a shill and I've been trying to show this for months and we finally see the truth. Trump was a Russian puppet. Our elections were corrupted by the DNC and Hillary and her gang, but little did they know that Trump was corrupting the same elections with their Russian help. Trump is a piece of shit and this is getting better and better

I do not like DT. I am also not opposed.

I like to think that any person who chooses their cabinet from the business-elite would achieve the same results.

DT is attacking the debt problem - he is fighting against it as he believes more work equals more jobs. He is obviously not initiated or he would have abandoned the "jobs for all - coal be good!" long ago.

Podesta emails were leaked from someone inside, likely the guy double-tapped in DC - they were not a hack. The reason for the attention to the DNC-centric leaks are because of a proven track record for corruption. RNC-centric leaks are also prevalent.

DNC has a few notable people involved in PG. RNC has just as many.

No one wins until it's all dry.

Please don't kill the messenger.

I used to be really into conspiracy theories, but back in the 80s, 90s, and the 2000s, there were conspiracy theories from all over the political spectrum. Lefties talked about the JFK assassination, MLK, RFK, the Church Committee, sometimes they'd talk about UFOs or "psychic" energy, but they'd talk about CIA mind control, the CIA running crack and heroin into the ghettos, stuff like that.

But the right wing also had their share of conspiracy theories too - everything used to be linked to the USSR, for instance: if kids were listening to heavy metal, it was because the Soviets were paying heavy metal bands to pervert the youth of America and convert them to Satanism, homosexuality, and drugs. Right-wing conspiracy theory often veered toward pretty fringe areas: anti-tax, Posse Comitatus, the "Jews run everything" shit, etc. Militia-types were heavy into conspiracy theories ("black helicopters!!") about the Clintons in the 90s, just because Bill Clinton was president at the time. If you talked to 100 conservatives, 30-35 of them might start talking about how Bill and Hillary killed Vince Foster, about Whitewater, etc. But most of the time, those particular conspiracy theories were easily dismissable (unlike the JFK assassination, for instance).

There used to be conspiracy theories that would cross over. Lately we've seen the right-wing grab hold of conspiracy theories about the US intelligence community, for instance. For years, right-wingers wouldn't consider conspiracy theories that involved the CIA or FBI, because those organizations were committing crimes and doing "business" that engendered favorable results in the eyes of right-wing conspiracy theorists: they were going after Communists, they were targeting "hippies" and Lefties, they were overthrowing Socialist governments, etc. I saw the pinnacle of this when the Iran-Contra hearings were happening and conservatives were outraged that the government wanted Oliver North and parts of the intelligence community to be accountable for doing actual bad shit. Conservatives back then argued in favor of opacity for secret intelligence operations, not transparency, because transparency would jeopardize ongoing missions that would be favorable for the US and its business interests.

Far-right conspiracy theorists barely gave a damn about the ATF, for instance, until Bill Clinton was president; there were anti-tax protesters and terrorists like Gordon Kahl who would very occasionally get into shootouts with the police or go on the run, but these were people who were involved in the Klan and other underground right-wing groups. The FBI and CIA didn't bother them - the LEFT were very critical of those organizations, not the right-wing. They were more concerned with "international Jewry" and the like.

But since Clinton's presidency and especially since 9/11, it seems as though the right has had a monopoly on conspiracy theory. Sure, the Left had their share of George W. Bush-era speculation (who remembers Jeff Gannon?), but it seems as though the lines between "left" and "right" blurred somewhere along the way and the right started dominating conspiracy discussions - and somehow really "dumb" conspiracy talk (like chemtrails and anti-vax) became associated with the Left.

In the last year or so, this sub in particular has become dominated by anti-Clinton discussion. Sure, CLinton has her fair share of skeletons in her closet, but over the course of the last year or so, the focus on Clinton has led a lot of people in this sub and in the conspiracy community to believing that Clinton's perceived rival, Trump, is somehow on their side. Like, somehow Trump is some kind of truth-telling underdog champion of human dignity and freedom or some shit.

Which is completely idiotic. He's a rich, lying scumbag with virtual acres of closet space dedicated to storing skeletons. He's no different than any shady politician, if not worse. If Trump - and members of Trump's team - are in power now, why not focus on them? They're running the show now; if the idea behind conspiracy speculation is to question those in power, those with power, then he and they shouldn't be immune from investigation. It seems like people in this sub somehow think that Trump shouldn't be questioned, that no one should be holding his administration's feet to the fire. Which is....odd, given what the conspiracy theory community has always been about: interrogating and investigating power.

Given that a lot of space and time have been devoted to Pizzagate, it seems reasonable that there should be time and space dedicated to any other conspiracy theory, no matter if its adherents are pro- or anti-Trump...right? Otherwise, this sub would just be shilling for Trump. I mean, I'm sure that there'd be a lot more activity in this sub is anti-Trump conspiracy talk were allowed to thrive. And I'm sure that a lot of people who would otherwise gravitate toward this sub but have been turned off by the overwhelming right-wing slant of the discussions would be involved if participants would be willing to entertain the idea that Trump is just as vulnerable to conspiracy talk as Clinton or anyone else. I mean...look at the upvotes that certain anti-Trump posts get, but then look at all the threads and posts calling out anti-Trump posts. It seems like people might come here looking to talk about Trump's various shady behaviors then get turned off by how rabidly pro-Trump many of the discussions are; sometimes people drive-by upvote posts because they want to bolster what someone has said without getting their own hands dirty.

Whatever. I'm just saying that this sub should allow and foster anti-Trump conspiracy theories because the incessant focus away from Trump immediately cuts off what could be a great many productive discussions.

And the immediate jump to "You're a CTR shill!" is dumb. Believe me, there are a lot of people out there who are not pleased with Trump, and we're not getting fucking paid to post about this motherfucker. We'll post about him for free, happily. This idea that any anti-Trump sentiment is astroturf is astonishingly insulting to a lot of peoples' intelligence.

100% agreed. The way the left conspiracy people have been supporting the CIA is as crazy as the right not even looking into this Trump-Russia connection. We can't be partisan around here.

There's a fine line between intelligent discourse and CTR. Act like CTR, get banned like CTR.

You aren't banning anyone tough guy.

Obvious shills should be banned.

obvious to whom?

To our based moderators.

Pretty obvious one here to me.

Yes I don't want this to turn into a sub where everyone has to think a certain way and is shunned for not agreeing about certain views. I want to look at the bigger picture and be skeptical of everything without pushing a certain viewpoint.

Like the people who appear to be Trump supporters getting downvoted like hell in this very post?

Deserves a downvote.

Why?

And establishment supporting shills like you deserve to be banned. Simple as that.

So I will have to create an alternative account? Just like you do? I only have this one and I stand by all my opinions, even if I admit being wrong sometimes.

In this sub, I downvote anyone who came here to support anyone. This isn't a sub for support, it's a sub for questioning.

Users don't get to be right vs left in this sub, there's plenty of subs for that. Want to only talk about conspiracies if they support your partisan worldview, lots of subs would be perfect.

This is the big one. This one has integrity, it's about the truth even if we don't like it. When people want the conspiracy to confirm their worldview, they lack credibility and are wasting everyone's time with their post.

Rise above it or get downvoted for not adding to the conversation, that's my policy.

What's that even look like? I mostly see CTR brought up when people challenge the pro-administration narrative.

I mostly see CTR brought up when people challenge the pro-administration narrative.

Yes. That's exactly what they think it looks like.

They push so many lies that we don't even hear them. Boy who cried wolf.

Exactly this. It's impossible to know what to believe anymore because facts and proper journalism have been replaced by 'anonymous sources' and identity politics.

I don't want to get too bogged down by this, but outside of blatant offenders (blogs with no bylines) and CNN's willingness to jump on any story just for clicks, why shouldn't I trust media outlets such as NYT, WSJ or WaPo? Those are the ones with the investigative chops to break stories like Flynn. There's slight bias in any of those, but they do get the facts right.

Do they? I would say they are fairly complicit in filling a narrative as any of the others you linked. They are just 'slightly' more credible about it. I think you can just look at how the buzzfeed dossier was handled as a reference of integrity.

They push so many lies that we don't even hear them.

Way to play into their hands.

as the right not even looking into this Trump-Russia connection

Ok. So:

Please give me evidence that DONALD J. TRUMP has PERSONALLY any connection to Russia. BE SPECIFIC!

And don't come to me: "But his close advisors this or that...".

That's why we don't eat the shit you shills are spilling. They have no merit.

Don't you find it a bit suspicious that Trump defends Russia at all costs? He hasn't said a single bad thing about them.

The whole point of people questioning Trump in a conspiracy of sorts is due to all of the connections his appointees have with Russia in addition to his adoration for Russia.

Don't you find it a bit suspicious that Trump defends Russia at all costs?

NO, because having a good relationship with Russia is a GOOD THING, if we have fucking ISIS chopping heads of and doing HAVOC in the middle east.

Radical islamic ideology is the far greater threat to western civilization than Russia not being a 5-star democracy.

Look, I'm not going to argue against radicals. They're batshit crazy and can't be argued with. But why can't you question Trump? Because you voted for him? The connections are there, much like all the connections people have done about PG... BOTH of these scenarios are questionable as fuck.

I'm a moderate and I don't support neither party as both Reps and Dems are riddled with dirty laundry...

Besides, you're in r/conspiracy. You're bound to question everything, including those who you support. There shouldn't be any exceptions.

I question things that happened. Not things that might happen in the future.

Connections to foreign leaders are normal. You know what else happened? Have you heard of the Japanese connection? I heard Trump spend a whole fucking weekend with Premierminister of Japan Abe in MarALago. The Japanese connections are there, no question about it!

You're telling me the resignation of the fucking National Security Adviser in addition to Manafort and Page connections are part of the future?

And now that you mention Abe:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/14/national/politics-diplomacy/abe-says-trump-encouraged-boost-ties-dialogue-putin/

What future are you talking about? These are connections that have already happened. I'm trying to find your logic.

I'm trying to find your logic.

I 100% support Donald J. Trump improving ties with Russia to fight alongside against Radical Islamic Ideology!

Therefore I don't see General Flynt having violated the Logan Act as something bad. Catch my drift?

Also I'll start second guessing Trump when he actually does something that potentially harms the people. Till then he has a free card from me.

If he wanted to fight muslims, he'd be going HARD at Saudi Arabia. Those fuckers are basically financing operations to continue the military industrial complex. If you can't see that, then I don't know what else to tell you. You're just opting to be blinded from the truth.

In the world of politics, Money fucking talks.

You're entitled to your blind faith.

Saudi Arabia. Those fuckers are basically financing operations

Oh, I see that. But you have to consider that we are currently depended on oil and Saudi Arabia is our Dealer. So we can't afford breaking with South Arabia. Once our energy dependence is gone, Saudi Arabia is next. Will probably take a couple of decades.

So now you make an exception to the rule of getting rid of these muslims except the biggest fucking financier of radicals? If you truly cared about the security of this country, you'd be more vocal about American support for Saudi coalition.

Your logic is: "Let's fight these terrorists.. except those who give us goodies... which happen to be the biggest proponents for terror..."

It sounds like a dichotomy, but it actually isn't.

I say, let's get rid of every radical muslim in the western world by deporting them, to keep the home country safe.

Additionally let's also eradicate ISIS with every air strike we can, promote a Regime in Iraq and Syria that keeps Islamic forces contained and when we become independent of Saudi Oil, we can talk about making another enemy on our list.

Till then I am fine with proxy wars in the middle east, since we have the superior military strength.

You sound extremely ignorant as to how the world ACTUALLY works.

Geopolitics is more complex than just "let's deport all of these people" and call it a day.

And you think containing the Middle Eastern clusterfuck is as easy as instating a leader that is magically free from corruption from outside sources? Please, tell me where I can find such people.

Also, the WHOLE POINT of the iraqi and syrian conflicts (and libya for that matter) was to instate new leaders. Tell me how that is panning out. Oh yea, it's working out great...

you think containing the Middle Eastern clusterfuck is as easy

It's not easy. That's why we need any support we can get, including Russia.

Also, the WHOLE POINT of the iraqi and syrian conflicts (and libya for that matter) was to instate new leaders.

I don't believe that. Iraq was attacked to sustain the petro dollar, sources:

• http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html
• http://www.rferl.org/a/1095057.html

Syria was probably destbilized because of the Syrian pipeline, though not 100% sure about that.

You make it sound as if it's one thing and not multiple reasons. I wish the world was that easy.

It's not easy.

Each country has their interest. I just presented you American interests, which were the pipeline not being the Iranian one and to sustain the petrodollar.

Other countries have other interest that aligned with US, f.e. shia vs. sunni. Geopolitical power and $$$ for Turkey. Islamic ideology for ISIS. Independence for Kurds.

Though it's really not that complicated, so stop pretending as though you don't understand what the American interest is.

You presented American interests that refute themselves. You basically admitted that supporting the Saudis is a concession you're willing to make yet at the same time it's the same entity responsible for multiple attacks on American soil.

As I said. American interest #1 is the petrodollar, because without it US would be bankrupt and couldn't afford spending 55% of their budget on the military.

Sometimes interests do indeed run contrary to each other, that's why you have priorities. Saudis will be dealt with in time. Till then we have to contain their ideology and play the game defensively.

What don't you get?

Petrodollar is becoming obsolete due to the increasing numbers of oil being produced on domestic soil and canada. Saudis don't have the "petrodollar" as a bargaining chip anymore and they know it. Why else would they be hitting the pedal on diversifying their interests in other sectors other than oil?

If anything, America has the upper hand to embargo their asses should they not step up their efforts in countering terrorism.

Again, your logic is flawed. I'm getting tired of replying to you as I have other things to do. It was fun arguing with you.

I guess I win the argument then, if your logic is to say that the "Petrodollar" is not important to US interests anymore.

What about lying about it to the public?

You don't notice the poor grammar and spelling? The unusual way words a phrased with this guy? And he/she/it immediately jumped to accusing anti-trumpers to shills, it's the "no puppet, you're a puppet" defense these people have employed for the past 2 years. Don't give him your time.

I actually enjoy reading trump supporters find logic in their arguments. They all lead to similar conclusions... aka, willingly ignore facts. It's fucking scary how this world is being riddled with PsyOps.

In my experience, every argument with a Trump supporter ultimately boils down to either constant deflection, blind defending, or some variation of "he won, get over it". They literally don't know how to question him, it's legitimately really scary.

Buddy, your translation app is failing you hard here.

We've always been at war with East Asia.

"We've been posting this same comment in every thread"

It's a reference to 1984.

For real???? What's 1984? Never heard of it. /s

Well said. I used to participate here a lot, but the election turned this sub into a T_D vs. CTR battleground and it just all became noise. IT was impossible to participate objectively because of it. Since Trump was selected, the Trumpeters have remained and the CTR's have fucked off, but the Trumpets like to thwack down any dissent early and often by whinging on about hos this sub is so "anti-Trump" 'all of a sudden'.

It's mass madness. More so than usual. And more importantly, it's not very informative any more. Try to post anything that's not Pizzagate or Trump/Clinton related and watch it immediately fall into obscurity. This sub was one of the last worthwhile places on reddit and now it's a hollowed out husk.

Guess the terrorists win, again.

Trumpets like to thwack down any dissent early and often by whinging on about how this sub is so "anti-Trump" 'all of a sudden'.

they also troll new submissions and downvote anything anti-trump/russia.

That's the point of it all, keep the right and left fighting so neither will look up.

Discourse on Reddit is toxic and idiotic from all sides of the political spectrum. Those of us who are aware of what you're saying and agree with you mostly choose not to participate. There are a handful of information sources with intelligent reporting and analysis of power and it's abuses. Reddit is not on that list and never will be.

The pole shift has been interesting to witness.

I've been interested in this. So many marine animals and birds dying for seemingly no reason.

the focus on Clinton has led a lot of people in this sub and in the conspiracy community to believing that Clinton's perceived rival, Trump, is somehow on their side. Like, somehow Trump is some kind of truth-telling underdog champion of human dignity and freedom or some shit.

A-fucking-men. People seriously need to pull their heads out of their asses.

I'll try and shed some light on my thoughts about all this and hope to get some sort of balance.

When Trump started getting serious attention, I refused to even listen to people talk about him. I often cut people off at work and asked them not to bother me with this retarded topic. Trump is a tool, he didn't even deserve my 1% attention.

Then something odd happened. Wikileaks opened my eyes to a lot of fucked up shit. I spent close to 18 hours a day for two weeks digging into the emails and going deep down that disgusting pizza rabbit hole. The_Donald became an important place for me to visit to get info about this, and while I was there I noticed something. The people posting were a lot like me. They cared about the email leaks, they cared about the truth, they cared about each other. Sure it was a circle jerk of massive proportions, but it felt good to be a part of it. It felt... right.

After seeing some posts on that subreddit, I started seeing the truth of what Trump was saying and doing. I still considered him a joke, but quickly realised main stream media was going all out in an attempt to ruin him. Now here's the thing, I Fucking hate the media. All the conspiracies you can think of don't come close to the shit the media has done in the last 100 years.

So why was all MSM after him? This made me think that there was something there. And then when he won, seeing how the media and people in general just didn't know how to act, well that showed that the fix for Hilary failed. The master plans have very obviously been ruined, and now it's a mad scramble to fix it.

Maybe he's worse than Hilary. Maybe we are always going to be slaves in the big picture to the elite, but I can't lie that seeing Trump tell CNN to go fuck itself feels soooo good. If only for the fact that the media is getting destroyed and people are forced to search for their own facts and truths....well maybe we have a chance.

Those are a lot of words to say you're a fucking retard.

Every comment so far on your account has either Moron, Retard or Mouth Breather in it.

Either you care and you are not educated enough to have a proper discussion, or your paid to push an agenda. Either way your reply to me was a waste of time.

Yeah, George Soros just direct deposited $1000 and John Podesta just emailed thanking for distracting those smart intelligent and totally NOT friendless losers away from his massive child sex ring. Having a proper discussion with a retard who believe in pizzagate is like trying to prove that pizzagate is real--only fucking morons would try.

So why was all MSM after him?

Because he has said and done hugely alarming, largest-red-flag-I've-ever-fucking-seen stuff. It is nearly impossible to list the amount of completely inexcusable and unacceptable things he has accrued over the course of the election and since. If I were in the media I don't know how I could have possibly covered it all without sounding completely obsessed with criticizing Trump, because he just kept saying more stupid or alarming shit.

At any rate, in principle the MSM should "be after" everyone: if there is something the public should know about (e.g. a questionable action or statement) it's their job to find it and report it.

The enemies of your enemies are not your friends. When it's politics, it just means you're not part of the discussion. Trump telling CNN to fuck off doesn't mean he's backing you up, man, it just means he needs to undermine the credibility of their enemies to defend himself when they get him good (which they will, and with actual facts, but not because they're good people but because they're not on the same side of the battle for power).

"All the conspiracies you can think of don't come close to the shit the media has done in the last 100 years."

You have some serious delusions about how this all works.

Well said. This sub used to be great but it was a casualty of the election.

Trump, is somehow on their side. Like, somehow Trump is some kind of truth-telling underdog champion of human dignity and freedom or some shit. Which is completely idiotic. He's a rich, lying scumbag with virtual acres of closet space dedicated to storing skeletons. He's no different than any shady politician, if not worse.

Can you let me know where he became such a monster? Where are his skeletons? Hes been a public figure for over 40 years, but only recently has be become a racist, lying piece of shit.. Well as soon as he ran against Clinton that is.

What rock did you live under? People have hated him for decades. Especially in his home state of New York.

Im from there, and thats all bullshit.

Oh? Where'd you live?

In the real world, where I am now.

I dont give personal info, sorry.

So are you actually going to give an answer or are you just going to keep deflecting?

for what?

That answers that apparently.

Yeah I guess asking people where they live over the internet is just a little creepy, dont you think?

So then why did you ask me where I live if it's so creepy?

Dude. I didnt ask you.

You want to tell the rest of us where you live that you think Trump is universally hated in NYC?"

working class new yorkers hate him cause he stiffs contractors anytime he can and hires foreign workers, hell he just applied to get more guest workers at mara lago, rich new yorkers hate him cause he has no class. Black people hate him cause he's obviously racist, from redlining to his insistence on the guilt of the innocent central park five in the face of overwhelming evidence, and just the assumption cause he's a rich white guy who's dad was pro-kkk and he's never tried to prove he wasn't racist in any meaningfully convincing way.

my personal feeling is he's the ultimate expression of surface over substance, he's like the human form of the concept of gold plating a banister or some shit to impress people, expensive and useless. That kind of aggressive image promotion just reeks of overcompensation and misdirection.

Once i went with some co-workers to a pyramid scheme recruitment, didn't realize what it was exactly until the pitch, didn't figure out how their scheme worked till towards the end. The scheme was they convinced you you were selling internet access, some third party isp membership or something, but the real trick was that everybody who signed up had to pay a 500$ background check.

The pyramid scheme people reminded me of trump. The meeting was at some rental house and one of the sales cultists tried very hard to make me impressed that a ne patriot used the house sometimes, fancy (likely rental) sports cars were parked out front, checks for thousands of dollars were pinned to the refrigerator like a childs drawings, all the sales cultists were in suits or fancy dresses. Them and trump wore wealth in the exact same way, like an assassin bug, as camouflage to trap the mentally unwary.

So, just a question.. How is Trump racist .

Lets just start there, because Trump has never ever been called that ever. He has even dated black women, been friends with Don King and gotten awards from the black community.

Now as soon as he ran against Clinton hes a racist.. along with EVERYONE who isn't on her side.

he is a billionaire

alleged billionaire.

Does TRUMP have checks just pinned to the refrigerator?

no, he has everything gold plated and encrusted in whats supposed to be gems, everything about the image he projects has the trappings of being incredibly expensive but is so overdone as to eliminate any suggestion of elegance or grace. Its like las vegas casinos, despite the sheer obvious expense of the statues and what not they're clearly placed with the same aesthetic care as goes into a road side novelty museum squeezed between a fireworks stand and a liquor store on the side of the highway.

I have no idea where you get half of this

the written testimonies of alleged new yorkers, but the contractor stuff you can find in the news, dudes a legit scumbag.

How is Trump racist

i gave you three reasons, you seem to have done that trump supporter "this doesn't look like anything to me" thing you people do, but if against all evidence you're actually curious about this just google "a final response to the "tell me why donald trump is racist"" there are several reasons.

No there arent real reasons, its all bullshit. Its what Democrats call everyone who is against them, and they have pulled this card over and over again. It never stops and people still eat it up. I have yet to see any KKK rallies, Neo-Nazi's marching, or anything racist from him or his supporters but it apparently happens daily in the eyes of Clintonistas who can never truthfully point to any of it.

i've noticed that every single racist person i know or have seen in the radio supports trump. Every. Single. One. I've also lurked around t_d some, and a lot of racist shit gets said there, a lot.

previous republican administrations were whitebread and all, but the red meat the trumps gave the right wing racist base with the promises of a wall and a muslim ban really drove the racist vote out. If you really want you can deny any racism from trump or that his support wasn't based in racism, but this is shit i've seen on my own facebook feed, nevermind the news, or anecdotes from friends.

I mean i know you're gonna deny it. But its like being told by a blind man that there's three moons and they colored red purple and green polka dotted, but i'm looking directly at the moon and its plain and white like always. Tell me trump isn't racist if you feel, but i'm gonna believe my eyes and ears instead.

So what exactly is your definition of racist again?

Now as soon as he ran against Clinton hes a racist.

Here's a little history lesson for you: Trump's first appearance in the New York Times was back in 1973, when he was being sued for refusing to rent to blacks.

So no, he wasn't suddenly a racist. There's also all this, though I don't expect you to actually read through it.

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No offense but--there's been plenty of stuff reaching back to what the early 70s?? And if you add in the Dad it goes back further. Racism, corruption, mob ties, generally shady business practices etc. Caliming all of this stuff just popped up w Clinton is a bit disingenuous--a quick spin thru google should give you a pretty good idea.

Im old enough to go back that far, and outside of a womanizer, Trump has never been a racist. If anything the opposite.

Ya. I'm only 46 so I don't really remember the early 70s. But the discrimination lawsuit's been pretty well known for a long time. And I do remember the the incidents that had the black community up in arms back in the 80s/90s. (you can easily google this stuff btw) Especially back then I always just thought of him as the guy who was always saying off-color/irreverent stuff to get his name in the news. Forget if Howard dug into any of that stuff back in the day.

GOOD post. It's interesting how it seems like pgate is the perfect honey pot for right-leaning conspiracy theorists. It covers a lot of the theories that have been popular in that scene for years. pedophile rings, satanic cults, the Clintons. It's almost too perfect and I think that's why it's being pushed so hard on this sub.

I would say that there hasn't been a shift over to Trump because there was such a brutal and ugly campaign run only 3 months ago with so many dirty secrets being uncovered has resulted in zero repercussions. In essence, the majority feel cheated out of a victory and will not stop until they receive penance for all their 'work'. It's why I believe #pizzagate holds so much more water than your typical conspiracy. Those e-mails painted very succinct angles of fraud in regards to the primary election process and nothing was done about it. The media is clearly on the Democrat and Clintons side and there is a large populace that are fed up with it. They are out for blood. Between the Clinton Foundations connection with Haiti-trafficking, Clintin-ISIS and Podesta-pedophilia, SOMETHING has to break, right? This is compounded by the fact that Trump has alluded to some odd behavior in relation to Clinton/Epstein with some rather choice words. This is backed by the near 2000 trafficking arrests since his November win.

What's the big Trump conspiracy right now potentially, Russia? While anything is possible, we have a Democratic party who has been pushing that narrative so hard that it has all but lost all steam. Wikileaks has said time and time again it was not a Russian operative that provided the e-mails. If they are wrong at such a top level, why would anyone believe anything granular? This is backed by the fact we know there are a ton of people in the alphabet agencies that wanted to do anything they could to prevent a Clinton win. That makes infinitely more sense than Russia having blackmail over a well known, public facing billionaire with a household name. But even more so, if the media won't run with any of the mounding evidence for any of these conspiracies, why should the opposing side look deeper into Trump? It's the main stream narrative vs the researchers/conspiracy guys. And the researchers want a stamp in their books before moving on.

There's also the fact this administration hasn't even been in place for a full month yet so there's still 4-8 more years to go. A lot has happened in 3 weeks, but it still is only 3 weeks of potentially 200-400~. Plenty of time to pivot to new ideas.

This history of conspiracy theory trends needs to be on /r/depthhub

Nah, no it doesn't. This is just a thumbnail sketch of my experiences in the conspiracy "community." I just rambled on. Someone out there really should write up a comprehensive history of the trends in conspiracy theories over the years, though. Someone who can write better than my rambling and wordy ass can anyways.

I spend some time lurking on this sub and have always wondered if conspiracys have been more a right wing thing or if it was just more sided(uneducated on stuff before bush-era). You kinda put my thoughts into perspective. Glad to hear poeple trying to be unbiased.

I feel as though you are dividing up conspiracy theories unfairly. Most theories are not partisan. What makes you say anti-vaccination people are left wing?? Most I know of are heavily conservative.

You lost me at the Trump part. You assert that he is really with these people but do you have proof? The reason people support him is because he is technically a political outsider and is anti-globalism (apparently).

I agree with everything you said, except for where you equated the massive amount of pizzagate posts with being pro-Trump. I am on the left politically, and I hate and distrust Trump as much as anybody. But I also have watched the pizzagate situation growing from the start, and I absolutely think it's real.

If a lot of people here also think it's real, then of course there will be a huge amount of posts every day about it. Not only does the situation risk falling by the wayside like the investigation into the Franklin scandal, which died out and failed to indict the politicians involved, but it also involves the lives of children.

If pizzagate is true, then everyday there is no smoking gun evidence or arrests means more and more children being hurt. So I really don't get the complaint about all of the pizzagate posts. It has nothing to do with left or right, it's just that the evidence already found is enough to make a lot of people here believe it to be true.

And if you read the comments to a lot of the pizzagate posts, you'll see there are plenty of people who aren't pro-Trump who are involved in this. It's just a big deal to a lot of people, and this kind of situation brings a lot of urgency with it.

You nailed it. I agree with everything you've said about what has happened to this sub in the past year. To be honest I was a huge Sanders supporter in the primaries, and in part was because of the anti-establishment rhetoric he used, which really spoke to how I feel politically (no,duh that's why I'm on this sub). But when all that shit with the DNC happened and Bernie lost, I was so mad about it. Then all the Wikileaks/emails came out against Clinton and I was so anti-Hillary at that point that I switched over and voted for Trump, and actually had an ounce of hope.

And even when I did vote, I never felt a sense of loyalty or strong support for him. My vote for him was mainly out of anti-establishment candidate, and now the political state we find ourselves in is horrifying. I totally agree with you, even if he declares to be a man of the people, he is the fucking President and should be held to the same scrutiny that this sub has given every other president. I also am turned off lately because frankly the discussions here are not as genuine or as thoughtful as they were before the election, regardless of the subject matter. And I think a lot of that has to do with what you saying about die-hard Trump supporters here now wanting anti-trump discussion.

I also really liked the beginning of your post when you talked about how both sides evolved with their theories. Anyways, this was an awesome post and was spot on about how I also feel about this sub.

And I still really enjoy this place, you can still find good, intelligent, non-biased discussions, but it's just more rare.

Which is....odd, given what the conspiracy theory community has always been about: interrogating and investigating power.

I used to think that's what WikiLeaks was about too, until today. That organization should be living up to their name and LEAKING the freakin' transcripts of the conversation, not attacking leakers.

Yuge ongoing Russian influenced cover up - this place should be ground zero for discussing it, but Pizzagate.

You're talking about the same Wikileaks who called the Panama Papers a conspiracy to smear Putin, and frequently linked to /r/the_donald on their twitter during the election. They've very obviously picked a side, and it's ruined a lot of the credibility they used to have with me.

Since 9/11 conspiracy has been cominated by conservatives? Motha what?! 9/11 is the biggest conspiracy out and it solely implicates republicans. This is not left vs right. It is right vs wrong.

If you actually spent time here you'd realise the majority of posters are aware that politicians are on the same team, regardless if their tie is red or blue. If you want to see a discussion you have all the power to come in here and start it. But I suspect you are just here to try discredit this sub.

I get you but I find it so tiring h IBF to repeat this all the time. Pizzagate is NOT a partisan conspiracy theory, it involves BOTH sides of the political parties, the elite. I notice that people from the left try to constantly frame this as a right wing conspiracy, when it isn't t all.

I'm amazed you managed to get through that whole rant without using the word "Nazi". Go ahead, let one rip. You know you want to.

Whats with you the_donald users coming here and claiming its a pro-Hillary sub? Its not and I have not seen the activity you are talking about, at least not a lot of. People from outside the sub, find their way in sometimes. Its like you people are trying to create a false narrative.

To be fair everything outside T_D is 90% Hildog supporters. I mean go to the books sub if you think that's bs

It's so painful to read.

They are so sure that because of that PG is not real.

I mean, critical thinking tells us they might be working hand on hand, making distractions here and there.

I'm not a "believer" as many people say, but I don't deny it and I accept that coincidences are a part of the reality and hell the users investigating it really have 100s of coincidences that makes you think.

This simply isn't true; most of us just really dislike trump.

in my experience of years on reddit, conspiracy and t_d are the only 2 places on here where you can read the first page of comments of any thread, and not have a single comment calling trump retarded or evil, or some other asinine claim

But, Trump is retarded, like for real. It's not bias, it's fact. The man is having national security meetings in public at his resort, this is not the behavior of a smart man.

Yes yes we have all seen the mainstream media narrative.

And what's the non mainstream way to view that as anything but idiotic?

InfoWars: LEADER TRUMP PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM SHARIAS BY WORKING FROM HIS VACATION SPOT. LIBERALISM IS CANCER.

If it's not one thing they're hysterical about it's another. Most of the time it's bullshit so people stop paying attention.

But, Trump is retarded, like for real.

Yes, the multi-billionaire real estate mogul, and current president is literally retarded.

Mmhmm sure.

Wow, Brock's virgins are working overtime on this sub.

Nowadays you get over 100 upvotes for calling the most powerful man of this planet a literal retard and you get downvoted for writing anything against it.

I like how you people probably didn't even know who Brock was before pizzagate but now any person with a dissenting opinion on Trump apparently works for Brock. Because that's the only possible way someone would have something negative to say about Trump, right?

Get fucking real man.

If he is retarded then what are you?

Yo dawg, you just 'I know you are but what am I'ed me in an attempt to show your intellectual and moral superiority. Not a good strategy to make your argument look legit.

really fucking got him there buddy, lmao

Lol!

This is elementary school all over again apparently

Someone doesn't have to be "asinine" to think Donald Trump is stupid. I don't always think that, but listening to him makes me really wonder.

I would agree with this, though some smaller subs seem to be okay with Trump

And you get downvoted for saying this. 🙊🙈🙊🙉🙈🐵

You get downvoted because people using this subreddit before the election are fucking sick of you people coming in here to push your bullshit pro-trump agenda.

They can't wrap their head around the fact that there are people who hate both Donald and Clinton.

I was trying to explain this to my cousin the other day. Hating one candidate more than the other doesn't equate to support for the other one. Both were awful and it truly was a lesser of two evils

Some of us just hate ALL of the oligarchy.

Eh Bernie is a pretty cool guy, he doesn't afraid of anything.

Based off of the arguments I hear those people make, I don't think there's anything they can wrap their heads around.

Logic doesn't exist to these people.

I would even wager the majority despise both.

Marxist bastards infiltrating our little old sub.

You're just completely wrong about that, the majority of reddit doesn't like Hillary OR Trump. For reference, see /r/politics before the Democratic Convention and the millions spent on astroturfing since then.

The majority of America doesn't like Hillary or Trump, which is how we ended up in this shitstorm to begin with.

Yep, both had record high disapproval's. What an utter shitshow this election was, it made the politicians in House of Cards look reasonable in comparison.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

To be fair, there are shills on both sides, and the Donald shills have been pretty busy, so a sudden spike in Brock shills seems weird.

Both sides are dumb as hell, and should stop pretending their King/Queen are anything but terrible.

We held over 8 hearings on Hillary's involvement in Benghazi, but no one in the GOP is willing to investigate the Trump administration over the most damning series of events since Watergate? Flynn's resignation is the third person (after Carter Page & Paul Manafort) in the Trump administration to resign over connections to Russia. My Republican party is putting the party over the sanctity of our Constitution and our country. The GOP should be ashamed of itself for not being hard on the President over these allegations and the botched Yemen raid. What a disgrace.

Flynn's resignation is the third person (after Carter Page & Paul Manafort) in the Trump administration to resign over connections to Russia.

This is an excellent point that I would really like to see more discussion on. I don't think anyone actually believes "Russia hacked the election" but there's pretty clearly some connections that I'd like to be able to explore.

Exactly. I don't think Russia hacked the election, but there is a paper trail and conspiracy trail so fucking massive that it is impossible to swipe under the rug. I'm a former Trump supporter, and I can't take this anymore. He's a travesty

I'm pretty sure this whole situation is textbook diversion and disinformation

If it was, then why is Flynn the third person (after Carter Page & Paul Manafort) in the Trump administration to resign over connections to Russia? Why not let the FBI, Sessions & the justice department, and Congress investigate with full force? If there is nothing to hide, then he should get off scott-free

Nonono, I mean "BUT MUH HACKED ELECTION" is the diversion, and this totally provable connection is what attention is being diverted from.

ohhhh! Thanks for the clarification my dude

No problem, edited the original post for clarity, lol. I can definitely see why you though that, haha

Haha! It makes a lot of sense now. In my opinion, Donald Trump wasn't the savior we all thought he was. I know all of us will be left scratching our heads the moment his administration is over. I believe he had his finger on the pulse of the Republican TEA party base, and used it for his advantage. Now him and his kleptocrats in Washington are using the GOP to essentially raid the public coffers and bring us 5 steps closer to corporate tyranny than we previously were. He's an acceleration of Clinton, a fifth Bush administration, and a man who clearly has misguided policies.

us

Well, then color me one of the people who saw through him from the start, because i never thought it was going to end well, or change anything. This is the US government were talking about here, its been almost 100 years since we've had a quality president that wasn't owned, compromised, or corrupt in some way.

And your 100% correct, he was a registered democrat until a very short while ago, and quoted as saying something to the effect of "I'd run as a republican, because they're dumb and will believe almost anything"

Haha! Hell yea man. Glad to see you not drinking the Kool Aid from either side

I don't think anyone actually believes "Russia hacked the election"

Because that is a strawman. People believe that Russia devoted resources to oppose Hillary/ elect Trump, not that they hacked the voting machines. Maybe all of our intelligence agencies are flat out making that up, but that is it's own conspiracy theory.

I believe Saudi Arabia, the Ukraine and Mexico devoted resources to help Clinton win the election.

Of course. That is true. I would rather Trump win over Hillary. But now that he is in power, he can't not be objective about his administration. If he has nothing to hide then let's open a Congressional investigation, FBI investigation, and also let Jeff Sessions take the reigns in making sure we weed out any corruption. If Trump and his staff have nothing to hide, then we should be good.

It's the French Revolution all over again

Lol hopefully not. That would be terrifying

Time will tell...

Do it, throw them all in prison. They need to spend some hard time with the criminals they created.

This is NOT the most damning series of events since Watergate. Hillary's damn emails were and still are. The Benghazi "investigation" took so long because of the coverups and lies. They still dont know the truth. No one was ever held accountable and not one person lost their job over that disaster.

The botched Yemen raid happened because they were tipped off. The Obama administration planned the raid and Trump authorized it.
He question is who leaked the info?

Lolololol yes yes. Please keep the narrative going and deflect. Deflect away my friend. Infiltrate this sub and protect the supreme leader at all cost. We can't question the President, even when his third associate has now resigned over connections to Russia. Yes yes. Trump above all🙌🏻

You are sad.

I guess I was triggered by the fact that instead of trying to be objective about Trump, you're deflecting to goddamn Benghazi. But I guess I'm mistaken in my intense sarcasm.

I was only replying to your statement on Benghazi. Have a good night.

the Donald shills

Is this a new talking point you guys got? Is the pay any good?

It must pay better than being a liberal. Me and every other liberal I know has been been waiting for that sweet, sweet, Soros cash for like a decade now...where's my fucking money, George?

ah... you must belong the gullible people working for free.

^ r/politics trash.

When you can't fight the point you may as well whine about the source huh? Sad! Cuckish!

^ /r/ConanModding trash.

lol Sad.

Not as sad as you fucktards who get paid to shill. Go back to r/politics, globalist fucktard trash.

I'm not a shill. That makes you a paranoid fuck. Have you ever found a shill that criticize both sides? No. Fuck off with that shit.

"Globalist fucktard trash"

Hahhahahahahha. That's cute.

Outsider here.

T_D users still think Hillary and Donald are competing. They thought they'd be happy he won, but now he's the President and they don't have Hilary as a target, they're being forced to defend Trump on his own. It's way harder to deflect to Obama (not gonna debate on his presidency, but you can't argue that the perception of Obama is nearly as bad as the perception of Hillary) so they keep pretending it's still Trump v. Clinton because deflecting is their only real debate tactic.

Why would you admit to being a Hillary supporter? You could have just said you're mentally ill instead.

And his point is validated

And his point is validated

I mean, that guy was literally still making "Crooked Hillary" posts just two hours ago.

So funny.

It's like, she's gone, man. She lost. She's not relevant. Trump is in office. That people like him can't stick to a Trump topic without instantly leaning on "But Hillary!" is embarrassing. It's also rather telling.

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She may have lost but she is far from gone. Her crimes follow her. Most people who are aware of the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and her role in toppling and looting countries such as Lybia, want her prosecuted.

The massive NYPD case on Anthony Weiner and the 650000 emails on his shared laptop with wife Huma Abeddin, are key to unraveling the crimes of Clinton and her cohorts. Most of these emails are associated with Hillary Clinton and the state dept. According to NYPD Chief of detectives, Robert Boyce, the emails contain proof of child exploitation, sex crimes, money laundering, perjury and pay to play. These emails are key. The FBI has them now.

So many of us are hoping Jeff Sessions will allow the FBI to thoroughly do their job without being held back by politics like the last investigation. The last Clintn investigation was a joke. There was no Grand Jury called, no subpoenas, no court orders, co-conspirators were interviewed together and given immunity for nothing in return. The FBI never handles cases this way.

You appear to have missed the entire point of this exchange. Read it again in context. The point is that "But Hillary!" is not a response to questions about or criticism of Donald Trump, and that criticism of Trump doesn't mean someone is pro-Clinton.

The Trump vs. Clinton contest is over. If something about Trump is criticized, "but Hillary" isn't an answer, yet it still seems to be the default, knee-jerk answer for many people.

If the topic is about Clinton, criticize away. Investigate, shine a spotlight on her dealings, and so on. She's earned all the attention she gets in that regard. She was a shitty politician.

The whole point of this exchange is that speaking out against Trump doesn't make someone pro-Hillary, and that answering Trump criticism with "but Hillary!" is ridiculous and pointless.

That you immediately launched into a Hillary rant at the mere suggestion says quite a lot.

Well a lot of the immediate current issues involve Hillary. There are many people intertwined with the Clinton crimes. She tweeted about Comet Pizza and General Flynn just yesterday. Pretty bold considering what she is involved with.

Yeah, I can't believe how quickly someone proved his point.

And I didn't even get to see what he said :(

Removed. Rule 4.

Apparently anything that could be critical of Trump is now considered "pro-Hillary". That just shows the total lack of critical thinking of the T_D redditors flooding this sub.

And anything that could be critical of MSM propaganda is now considered "pro-trump". That just shows the total lack of critical thinking of leftist redditors flooding this sub.

Show me one example from this sub. The example I'll use to support my argument is this very post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5n90h5/reports_allege_trump_has_deep_ties_to_russia/?st=IZ5UB6WJ&sh=217c76c5

debunked how?

Walk the walk yourself. I don't waste my time on endless contrarianism.

cool story bro

Debunked? Hardly. The thread in question was labeled Unverified (a hoot, given what we normally discuss in this sub) before being completely dismissed for partisan reasons.

Your post is actually pretty laughable because it proves /u/western_red correct. Ohhh the mods removed it! Guess it really was a raid.

There's posts in the thread admitting point blank they are leftist activists there to influence the thread. Doesn't get more literal than that.

Your ability to comment without researching the thread is laughable. And lazy.

And lazy.

Point 'em out hotshot, I believe you.

Nah just kidding. You are just another T_D troll upset that the narrative is now getting switched to actual real life conspiracies and not pizza.

If you read my post history at all you'd know that's not the case. Not just the sub my post is in, but the actual words I post. I'm not the vocal minority of T_D.

Lazy

https://i.redd.it/ujbo9ozzr3ey.jpg

6 year old account and can't break 3k karma. You even fail at reposting.

I am very sorry to have hurt your feelings in the other thread :(

No worries you didn't.

Hey, you know that bullshit left and right propaganda was made to divide us right and you're literally fallen for that trap.

Literally was just an easier way to describe how the French General Assembly leaned politically by where they sat. It's nonsense.

MSM have invented "leftist" and "pro-trump" and subscribing to their ideas just shows the true lack of critical thinking.

Yeah what is with this black and white bullshit, why is it one side or the other? I am anti-Trump and it does not make me pro Hillary. Political parties have really fucked this country, you can't have an opinion that isn't one side or the other.

I'm in discussion with a person who thinks that criticism of the Russian connections is a "Democrat vs Republican" argument. I didn't even mention the Democrats and they criticized me for turning the discussion partisan.

They didn't get the memo in Russian that the elections are over.

двигаться дальше, товарищ

People just talk of Clinton and Obama as the same because they are. Obama has a shadow white house and an army of 30,000+ Obama Youth all working on overthrowing Trump. http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

Overthrowing?

I thought us liberals were scared of guns. Or by overthrowing do you mean protesting what liberals view as unconstitutional or immoral actions by the current administration? Or is it trying to get democrats to vote that's so terrible?

You seem to not be a fan of certain parts of the first amendment.

I don't have a difficult time debating without reflecting, the difficult part is getting passed the massive amounts of false info, propaganda, and brainwashing.

You say that like only liberals have echo chambers. The biggest echo chamber on this website is r/the_donald.

Also being bullheaded and not listening to reason isn't limited to one political party, but I've found Trump supporters"interrupting safe spaces" to be mostly insults and Breitbart sourcing.

Uhh why would somewhere named "the_donald" not be an echo chamber... It's a gathering of like minded individuals gathered for the specific reason of rallying around a politician they're rabid fans of. They even say anyone not supporting trump will be banned immediately. To think it was anything OTHER than an echo chamber you would have to be really really REALLY dumb,so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there. The problem comes when public spaces like Facebook become echo chambers because then misinformation spreads like wildfire. when the uninformed are exposed to it. It's exactly what the MSM wants.

If you had reading comprehension, you'd read the first half of my sentence and you'd know what point I was making.

No, the point you were attempting to make doesn't hold any merit because i never suggested at all that there wasn't such a thing as a conservative echo chamber.

It's exactly what the MSM wants.

It's exactly what Facebook wants, too. And Google, and Amazon, and Netflix... and reddit.

Echo chambers created by data analysis and algorithms, so that it's easier to provide you with content that they know you will consume, and ads that they know speak directly to you.

These types of algorithms were being used by CTR, and they are being implemented by the Trump administration, as well. Did you know that Trump's data analysis company claims to have between 2,000-5,000 data points on every single American in the United States? It's really easy to create an echo chamber with that much data on the people within that chamber.

You mean like anybody who calls all trump supporters fascists and nazis. Good job showing your hypocrisy

And the false equivalencies keep coming. Sheep.

Nah, not all Trump supporters are fascists and Nazis. They just support a guy who doesn't seem to have a problem with either group, which should cause them concern.

Not all Trump supporters are fascists and Nazis, but all fascists and Nazis are Trump supporters.

the mass deportations are pretty dope though. I love that illegal immigrants are being removed from the country

My personal opinion is that it's because Trump's entire campaign was about rivalry and conflict - He blames everything else for problems. Whether it be Hilary, Obama, the government, immigrants etc and so on it's the same. It's how he props himself up. I'm not using this as a negative necessarily, but there is one issue...

Who do you have to compete with to win now? He's picking a fight with the media, or anyone else who has influence. The problem is, the buck stops with him, now. They have to change their entire game plan, otherwise they'll be perceived as failures with no competition to "beat" or blame.

What you are missing is that it was never about trump, it was about bringing justice and arresting hillary and the rest of her cabal. That is why the_donald users arent satisfied.

People from outside the sub, find their way in sometimes

This. I stay out of this sub almost entirely because of pizzagate. This Flynn controversy is a big deal and an actual conspiracy so I'm checking in for the first time in a month.

When an event occurs that is relevant to a particular subreddit, that subreddit sees increased activity by non-regulars. That's how subreddits works and OP is ignoring that.

Yeah, I'm so sick of seeing accusations of "brigading" whenever there's a legit news story that involves an actual conspiracy. Like...you know that's what happens when people find out information about something they find interesting, right? They go find sources of information about that thing they find interesting. They may even comment on threads about that thing making the news that they find interesting.

Anything that doesn't fit the "Trump can do no wrong and he's the swashbuckling hero of freedom-minded people everywhere" narrative gets accused of being Shareblue or CTR or "Marxism" or "brigading from r/politics" or astroturf...anything but an organic, authentic expression of interest, or a real expression of an actual, valid opinion.

Think about it: Trump was elected President because of a razor-thin margin in several swing states. He lost the popular vote. more people voted against Trump than for Trump. And since elected, he and his administration have been overreaching, issuing insane numbers of executive orders, shutting down dissent, cracking down on their opposition. There have also been numerous revelations of corruption in his administration. Insiders have been trying to let the media know about how shady and potentially dangerous his inner circle is. His top advisors hold opinions most people don't share and they're trying to ram their wildly unpopular agenda down the world's throats....and this is somehow not supposed to provoke a backlash?!

Seriously, the people in this sub and in other pro-Trump areas of this site need to wake up to the fact that Trump's actions, policies, and stances are actually unpopular. You know, among people.

And that mayyyyybe, just maybe, there might be some conspiracies going on with the guy. It's just weird that people think pretty much every goddamned person in Washington and pretty much every super-rich dude everywhere is some kind of criminal, but...uh, Trump *isn't***? I wonder where people got the idea that Trump wasn't corrupt. Where are they getting this idea that Trump's administration is absolutely free of actual, legit conspiracies?

I bet you can't even give me 27 examples of someone from the trump camp creating a false narrative. Pshhh.

Yesterday the sub was full of pizzagate and Sandusky's son being connected to Clinton and this is supposed to be a pro Hilary sub?

Whats with you the_donald users coming here and claiming its a pro-Hillary sub?

I've actually noticed a lot of comments running around lately. Like, "Wow, looking at all the comments, I never would have believed so many Trump supporters would be standing up for communists".
There were like literally 20 comments and no one had said anything like that, yet the comment was heavily upvoted.
It starts with a false premise, build the narrative, argue against and declare the moral high ground.

I agree with you totally, but you currently have the top post...so perhaps they have point in arguing that this sub, like most of reddit, tends to be towards a more liberal world view. But yeah, all these blatantly political posts, that often have no conspiracy bias, are mildly annoying. Especially given that it often originates from the very fecund t_d hive mind.

These types lf comments are so easily predicted.

Thats because they flood subs with their useless bile. Also you think I'm leftist because I made 2 posts in r/fuckthealtright? Why don't you read the comment and poster I was talking too. The guy was defending racial determinism (he apparently can't get along with dark skinned people because muh genetics) , and ethnic cleansing. So if calling out a legit racist person on their bullshit is leftist I guess I'm leftist. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with idiots shilling everywhere.

I'm sorry that my post triggered you.

"I can't win an argument so I'm gonna call you triggered lol." So predictable sweetheart ;)

Wow. When you got a solid reply and your response is /b/ level bullshit, it makes you look... not bright. You realize that, right?

Yesterday had a rediculous amount of so called lefties who were 100% Hillary and against Bernie to boot. That does not compute, she is neo-liberal. They were shills or extremely confused people.

When did everything have to be viewed through a partisan lens?

Are we not allowed to criticise Trump or his admin, without you automatically assuming we're pro-hillary?

Oh hi, r/politics spammer.

What? I post in this sub way more than I post in /r/politics

Oh wait, you're one of those people that can't handle opposing beliefs, so you just call people shills when you disagree with them, right?

People needs to stop with this shit. It's so fucking pathetic and sad.

please respond to this post so I can block you. thanks.

Sounds like a win-win, either they stop replying or they get blocked :D

the fact that he refuses to respond, thus refuses to be silenced by blocking, speaks volumes. So I'm just responding to all of his posts until he slips up and responds without looking at the username.

The hunted has become the hunter...er shill rather

Lol the guy asked me to respond to him as well so he can block me.

Trumpers and their little fingers in their ears..LALALALALALALLA

I thought you got paid to respond to people?

OP has 16 days on Reddit and he's already reflecting on how r/conspiracy has changed. This is just insane.

Yeah Hildog army is at full force. I'll still call the Russian thing as bullshit as they deem PedoGate just off the email (paraphrasing) "let's blame it on the Russians if things go south" Kinda funny to see the two biggest running conspiracies collide though lol

Why is a two week old account complaining about the supposed change of this sub?

They're trying to slide the Flynn news off the front page. Hence all the "pro-Hillary" complains and two-week old Pizzagate videos.

How's that circle jerk? Long time sub here, I'm paying attention equally to Flynn and pizzagate. Tell me why I'm partisan and only support trump please.

How's that circle jerk?

Well, I mean that's what we're complaining about. We're up to at least 5 "OMG CTR IS TOTALLY HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME" posts and at least 10 pizzagate posts, mostly with old or the same information.

Hell, there are 2-3 posts on the front page right now about Hillary tweeting.

Yes there's some shit people here who think trump is god and that he does no wrong, but there's just as many shit people drinking the mainstream media koolaid about him. If you stop insulting everyone on the sub you came to, you might be able to reach some middle ground with the more moderate and reasonable people.

CNN and all the rest of the mainstream media have been lying to us for decades, you can't blame anyone for being skeptical of conspiracy's they try to put on us.

And i dont know if you see this side of it, but we're all human beings that have a visceral reaction to anything involving child abuse. There's nothing that you can do or say that will put working with russia in the same league as elites fucking children. I dont know why you're surprised people consider it the bigger story.

you can't blame anyone for being skeptical of conspiracy's they try to put on us.

I wasn't? I was just pointing out all of the forum sliding going on by Trump shills. Hence my original post. If you want to be skeptical about Trump conspiracy posts, go for it. But I'm not sure how you can defend all of the whining self-posts about how /r/conspiracy has been taken over because people simple disagree with you [you being the OPs of these threads].

Anything that isn't glowing praise for Hitlery is a T_D circlejerk to these shills.

Circle Jerk? Pizzagate? Buddy get a fucking grip.

^{^} two week old account

lmao didn't /r/t_d users just finish crying about how account age doesn't matter because people create new accounts all the time and because doxxing and because etc. etc.?

I don't give a shit about that. I'm just pointing out a relevant fact.

And so was I.

Yeah but you down voted too

Except I haven't down voted you. It's almost as if there are more users on Reddit than just you and me.

It's everywhere, what would be the point of sliding it off this sub?

This is one of the online communities they use to draw support their way.

Are you saying the CTR is working for the Trump administration now? Do you have brain damage?

Rule 4.

Maybe they don't want to be harassed, doxxed etc by you and your buddies from r/politics for going against your pro-Hitlery narrative.

Hilldog is long gone. You can't blame her for shit Trump does anymore.

A lot of Trump supporters need alt accounts. They try to dox you if you have any identifying info on your profile.

Evidence of Trump supporters being doxxed, please ?

Did you miss the whole thing where pro-Trump electoral college voters were doxxed and received thousands of death threats?

Also, a quick search of the term fox on The_Donald will give you plenty of examples

one only has to look at how often users take the time to see if someone has ever posted in T_D, and then announce it to the discussion as if its pertinent in every conversation

Exactly. I've legitimately had someone dig through my history and try and discredit my argument by mentioning that I'm a T_D user over a hundred times. No doubt in my mind they would dox me if they could.

Don't you do the same thing but with baseless accusations that people are shills? Hell, one of your posts got deleted for it...

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5nh8m9/found_a_shill_proof_were_being_manipulated/

Are you honestly trying to say the account I featured in that post wasn't a shill?

I'm all for civility, but I'm going to call out an account with a multi year gap in post history that suddenly started posting hundreds of anti-Trump comments a day.

A gap in posting history doesn't mean someone is a shill. Personally I think it's more plausible that someone who posts to the_donald is biased than a user with a gap is a shill, if they were selling accounts they could post from them too or get their bots to do it.

I'm sorry, but if an account is inactive for 3+ years, and then at the flip of a switch starts posting hundreds of anti-Trump comments a day, that's a 100% shill account. There's no denying it

There is denying it, that isn't proof, do you know what that is?

No more suspicious than the influx of t_d users who only post when it's related to donald. Especially users like you who constantly try to stifle discussion and engage in ad-hominems.

Why would anyone want to search that sub?

The last 2 weeks have been very pro trump so any thing legit is looked upon like it is pro HRC. Amazing really.

The real conspiracy for this sub is who bought these mods?

who bought these mods?

do you really have to ask?

Do you really have an answer?

You want the receipts?

Just proof.

I don't mean to be rude but how dense are you? Around 7 or 8 of the top posts in this sub right now are Pizza Gate/Hilary/Podesta/pedophile related posts. How is that in anyway pro Hillary?

In what threads is this? I literally haven't seen a sigle pro Hillary comment here in 2+ years.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5txzbc/michael_flynn_resigns_trumps_national_security/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=conspiracy

that whole thread is fishy af

I read almost every original comment (I'm bored), I'll agree there are a lot of people who swinged over from /politics and are just trashing Pizzagate and all that shit, but thats to be expected with any big news that will come out.

Still haven't seen a pro Hillary comment though, just a bunch of people trashing on the fact that this sub just wants to ignore this news entirely and just trash Hillary instead (including me, Hillary and pizzagate can take a break for a day or two)

We're seeing the biggest scandle in U.S history slowly unfold in front of us, and this sub is more interested in reposting the Ben Swanson video for the 50th time.

Please be more specific.

The National Security Advisory to the President of the United States just resigned due to a potentially improper relationship with the Russian government.

Do you expect people to not talk about it and to not criticize the man who picked the guy in the first place?

Plus, loads of people have been urging others, "focus on Pizzagate!" and responding with "But Hillary was corrupt, too!" Do you expect people not to notice this and not to comment on it?

This is a conspiracy sub. Something like Flynn's resignation should be huge.

And yet:

Among the top 25 threads right now, just 2 are about the Flynn case, and 3 of those are about how he was set up. not about him conspiring with the Russian government.

3 of those top 25 threads are about Clinton.

10 of the top 25 are about pizzagate or are tied to it in some way.

This sub is dominated by one topic, and when one measly thread out of 25 talks about a different topic in a way you don't like, i.e. discussing Flynn's alleged collusion with the Russian government, it's "fishy?"

Give me a break.

No I agree that the whole Flynn situation is weird. It just seems strange that this sub flipped on a dime.

it's because it got to r/all for something that's not pizzagate. it attracts a lot of different (non - r/T_D) people

I've not looked through it, but is any of that thread pro-Hillary? How is that story in any way related to Hillary?

This thread is another good example with lots of trash from r/politics flooding in to brigade.

Personally, I didn't care for HRC or Trump, I'm just a little disappointed in our subs lack of creativity. I don't mind a few threads about last year's DNC nominee, but the election is over and there looks to be many other conspiracies unfolding.

TL;DR: This should be a pro-conspiracy, not a pro-Trump or pro-Hillary sub.

TL;DR: This should be a pro-conspiracy, not a pro-Trump or pro-Hillary sub.

Tell that to CTR or The_Donald. We're like Syria watching these fucktard shillbots battle each other.

r/pol & T_D read like a boring version of a political sub simulator. No good ideas, just wildly flaming partisanship with copious back patting.

T_D is a fan club. That's what fan clubs do. Politics though, wow.

Politics are full of retarded pussy cucks and females that bow to Islam - a religion that allows men to thigh fuck infants and marry them as pre-teens, then sex with them after their first period. Sick fucks that would gladly wear the hijab because, Beyonce. Democrats have become the child rapist pedophile sympathizer party. T_D are proud Americans just waiting for shit to pop off!!! Itchin! We took the country back from these insane leftists.

Voted for Obama twice. He really had the chance to be great. He had his own secret agenda... Hillary would've been a disaster for or country. The silent majority always decides the prez

Politics are full of retarded pussy cucks and females that bow to Islam - a religion that allows men to thigh fuck infants and marry them as pre-teens, then sex with them after their first period.

3edge5me lol.

Sick fucks that would gladly wear the hijab because, Beyonce.

Alex Jones, is this you?

Democrats have become the child rapist pedophile sympathizer party.

Ah, says the guy who voted for the guy who was good friends with Roy Cohn and Jeffry Epstein.

I agree with you, but you did totally ignore his legitimate concerns about some beliefs held by some/many/few/most (I have no idea how many) muslims.

What's with the_donald and their obsession with how liberals view Muslims? Just because liberals are against a Muslim ban doesn't mean we're ok with the beliefs of radical Muslims. I literally don't give a shit that they believe what they believe, we just can't blanket ban them from our country. It's an overly simplistic way of dealing with things and completely unfair to fellow humans.

As of yet, Trump hasn't instituted a blanket ban on Muslims. I wholly disagree with the ban that he did institute, but it annoys me everytime I hear or see people calling it that. I was simply saying that he ignored his only points with real credibility, not saying that I agree on them.

Though I was no fan of Hillary, Trump wasn't so much an issue with me as is his supporters. Your post here is a perfect example. You don't contribute informative dialogue. You only have hate-spewed shit to say, and want to call everyone a cuck that disagrees with you. People doing this come off has backwoods rednecks born of incest.

For the 15 days you've been a member of Reddit, you sure have made lots of complaints about how victimized Trump supporters are.

NEWSFLASH: Election over. Republicans have control of the House the Senate, and they are about to steal control of the Supreme Court. It is time to put criticism of the party in power first and foremost.

A few months ago, much of the talk was about "corrupt" Hillary, a method of bandwagoning to imply support of anyone opposing her. That anyone was Donald Trump. Now, it will be about CORRUPT DONALD TRUMP and the Republican Party. Get used to it. :)

and they are about to steal control of the Supreme Court

What do you mean?

I mean for the first time in the long history of the United States, a popularly elected president was denied advice and consent for a nomination made before the next election. The proper Constitutional seating of that nominee would have made the Supreme Court appointment balance 5 Democrats 4 Republicans. THAT is the "control" I was talking about. :)

Yea, losing the seat definitely sucked, and Supreme Court decisions can be predicted with relative accuracy by the ratio of liberals/conservative justices, but we've also seen through out history, that the robe can have a funny effect on party affiliations, Justice Kennedy is a "republican" appointed by Reagan has voted and written quite a few very liberal opinions....

Also I hate to say it but I wish Scalia was still there, I don't miss his vote necessarily, but his over the top scolding opinions/dissents have always been my favorite

Neil Gorsuch is likely to be "more conservative" than Scalia. If you think the state of the Fourth Amendment is bad now, you won't recognize it in a few years.

As for Anthony Kennedy, obviously the gay marriage decision was a "liberal" one. But remember, Ted Olson was a lawyer for the support of it. There had long been articles online entitled "The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage." Most important, this was a social issues decision.

Before Sandra Day O'Connor retired, the "conservative block" was Roberts-Thomas-Scalia-Kennedy. After she retired, it became Roberts-Thomas-Scalia-Alito. Kennedy became the "swing voter." This moved the court to the "right."

Case in point: in about 2003, the court struck down a state abortion restriction that did not include an exception for the life of the woman. After, the court upheld the national abortion ban. One vote, big difference.

So, Anthony Kennedy may be the "swing voter" now, but it swings to the "right."

When it comes to business, Anthony Kennedy is solidly on the side of "conservatives" -- he proved that loudly not only by supporting Citizens United but by writing the decision.

When you consider that Republicans have been very careful lately with their nominations, I am just about positive that Neil Gorsuch will not only be "far right" -- he will be further right than expected.

The "mistake" of David Souter echoes. The two newest Republican appointees, Roberts and Alito, are very far right.

Wasn't the precedent to not nominate Supreme Court justices in election years introduced during a Republican presidency?

Yes, it's brand new JUDICIAL ACTIVISM.

only one popularly elected president (45%) has ever been denied a vacancy appointment — on the eve of the Civil War, and after he lost the next election; but an actual floor vote was held. Complete coverage source

You do realize that the Supreme Court is not made up of parties, right?

You also realize that having constitutional originalists are one of the few ways we may get out of this mess, right?

Honestly, the 5 Dems 4 Repubs... that's not how it goes. Was never meant to. Those are political parties of different branches. smh.

Gee no. What is "constitutional originalism" and what did you think of the way Antonin Scalia handled it in the Smith II case compared to the Hobby Lobby case? :)

Constitutional literalism. That the document doesn't change meaning over time.

WTF dioes that mean? SHOW ME how he used it in the Crawford case...

What?

It means literal interpretation. What are you talking about Scalia for? I never even mentioned him.

Originalism != "Literalism"

They are two different things. One cannot be the definition of the other.

BTW, what you are calling "Literalism" is more commonly referred to as Textualism. :)

Well done, troll, well done.

Gee, guess OP had a point.

Let's test that. I've been on Reddit for a while. In my history there are criticisms of Democrats, Republicans, Corporate Media, Republican sites, Democratic sites... Pretty much everything. How bout you? :)

Go back to your sub please. We dont want the hatred and lies you and Trump are selling.

Huh?

Check out /r/enoughtrumpspam. thats where these brigaders come from. its a level of echo chamber i didnt think was attainable

Are you seriously going to try and say r/enoughtrumpspam is even close to the level of brigading or echo chamber that r/the_donald is? R/the_donald will ban you for anything resembling a dissenting opinion.

yes, it absolutely is. the donald has been strictly countered by the admins while ets specifically organizes brigades and has never faced any repercussions. ETS brigaders also personally attack people and insult our mods constantly on our sub.

Ah yes because r/the_donald is known for its civility and upright zeal in discussion. They NEVER insult anyone ...unless you are giving a civil dissenting opinion in which case they ban you and call you a 'FUCKIN FAGGOT CUCK'.

Im not defending either, and I dont browse either. I would prefer if this sub didn't have mass migrations from either. Right now, the people I see making low effort posts, attacking our mods, attacking other posters and sowing division are mostly from ETS.

And the Donald has literally caused faux outrage picked up by News networks, internet, TV, etc.

Remember the clock tower fiasco you guys created? type it into google and see how many news organizations pigged backed off this claim that the crowd was smaller because it was later in the day.

You guys were proved wrong, and then you guys didn't even retract your claim, you guys just ignored it and moved onto the next thing to get outraged over.

fucking infuriating.

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Remember the clock tower fiasco you guys created? You guys then you guys you guys created you guys just ignored it

I literally just said I don't browse the donald and disapprove of them both being here! Otherwise I don't give a fuck what they do. Reading comprehension, please. You're lack of it is what is "fucking infuriating".

Did you come here just to attack the donald? Go to /r/the_donald directly for that or /r/politics. THIS IS NOT A SUB FOR YOUR POLITICAL GRIEVANCES!

Did you come here just to attack the donald? Go to /r/the_donald directly for that or /r/politics. THIS IS NOT A SUB FOR YOUR POLITICAL GRIEVANCES!

what a hypocrite. this entire chain started off from you saying

"Check out /r/enoughtrumpspam. thats where these brigaders come from. its a level of echo chamber i didnt think was attainable"

And then you have the audacity to blame others for "attacking r/the_donald"?

fuck outta here

Lol, scroll up further to beyond where you inserted yourself for the sake of argument. We are talking about the two echo chambers infesting our subreddit, from the left and write. And as I said before, the left side of it has been particularly obnoxious as they do exactly what you are doing - start off topic arguments to promote their partisan agendas.

I am not blaming you for attacking the donald, I am blaming you for coming HERE to do it, as you can see in the line you quoted. Again with your reading comprehension...

YOU should get the fuck out of here. You contribute nothing and as I have said before, you come here just to push your own agenda and to argue with and attack the users of this sub. You are just further proving my point with every post you make.

hilarious that you're trying to come off as the beacon of fairness and balance.

First you equated me with the donald, which isn't true. Then you tried to twist my words and now this. You keep grasping at straws but you still don't get it. I have never said I am fair or balanced, just that I actively engage in this sub with an open mind, and am tired of people who migrate over here when we hit /r/all and make low effort posts and cause division and dilution of content. That does not mean I dont see the trends. It doesn't mean I am "fair and balanced" by whatever metrics you decide at any given moment.

I am particularly annoyed that ETS keeps linking over here, and discussing our subreddit as if they have some kind of stake in it. We dont want or need other subreddits telling us or our mods how our sub should be. People flooding in from both sides of the politically polarized environment have strangled this sub, and it is only getting worse. And yes, this is a trend across all of reddit. Why do you think the donald was created? It is a reactionary sub because hyperpartisan, mainstream, democratic politics have completely taken over the rest of Reddit. First /r/politicaldiscussion, then /r/politics, then /r/worldsnews and it is spreading like a cancer. This was once a site where people from different backgrounds could come to exchange ideas, but it has been intentionally converted into a democratic political propaganda machine. Out of that came the hyperpartisan right, on their containment sub the donald. Now, the two seem to be fighting to claim /r/conspiracy, but this subreddit's strength was that it was a bastion from all of that. It is a place to discuss wild theories and fringe ideas away from the propaganda echochamber. To uncover the things that are intentionally hidden from the public, the things that the talking heads dont tell you. What the fuck do you think this is? Its a fucking conspiracy subreddit. Yet people come on here and post CNN links and wonder why people don't upvote it.

Part of the reason we have so many users from the donald, and part of why most of them are active and constructive participants is because the left wing has forced them away. Reddit has become incredibly hostile to anyone who doesn't blend in, and thus those of us on the fringe have developed some shared interests. Yet this tide has followed us here, and it cant blend in because all it wants is to take over all dissent, to have everyone think the exact same.

I have asked very simple things of you and others who migrate over here - 1) stop insulting our mods. 2) stop attacking people and being close minded and dismissive, that is the antithesis of our subreddit. 3) stop treating our sub like /r/politics. This is not the place to go to whine about how much you dislike the donald. You can go to just about any other subreddit on this website and circle jerk about how much you hate trump and his supporters. If you have a problem with the discourse here, or if it offends you that people disagree with you, then this probably isnt the place for you. you can try lurking for a while or at the very least engage in earnest and open minded discourse. Instead, you have done the exact opposite. You have jumped to all sorts of assumptions and conclusions, you have been hostile, and you have repeatedly used this sub as the place to express your angst for the donald.

You continue to argue with me by making baseless claims and intentionally misrepresenting what I have said to you. What else can I do at this point? You are intent to continue with this dishonesty and do not seem to have made an effort to actually realize what I have been trying to tell you. I feel I have made myself quite clear, and unfortunately, I don't see this discourse becoming anymore productive.

Someone inboxed me telling me people from there or something similar were talking about doxxxing me. I can only guess what that means.

Yes, I have heard they are trying to do people. The left wing of politics has really degraded all of their morals. Violence in the streets and doxxing, yet they still claim a moral high ground. Then they attack /r/conspiracy for daring to disagree with them and look into things that involve the liberal politicians they seem to hold with such high esteem.

It's really baffling. Yet at the same time they seem totally unaware of this, and seem to think they are always the "good guys". They don't seem to comprehend why people are fleeing the Democratic party in droves.

It's obviously not everyone who is left wing, I am probably further on the left on the classical political spectrum, but specifically the radicalized wing of the current left wing politics.

You were downvoted for saying this. Wow.

Fuck all you fascist bitches pretending you're anti-fascist, or better yet, angels. I would never wish any of the shit you guys do to people on anyone because I don't like opposing views. Where the fuck would the world be if everyone had the same views! NOWHERE! I hope you shills read this and know you're scum and will burn in hell. And even then, I still don't wish for you to be "doxxxed" or violently beaten in the streets. Not even by the police. Do you idiots realize how many people you're attacking fight for your freedom to do the stupid shit you guys do?

I have addressed several of them today in an effort to try to put all of this shit to an end. I am so sick of them coming in here and attacking users and shit talking our mods when they only even come here to defend Hillary or attack Trump. That is not what this is about yet they do not seem to understand how their behavior is unwanted and grating.

You are correct in that they come here to repress dissent and freedom of discourse. To attack the very reason that the people of this sub come here for and yet wonder why the are unwanted.

It is truly mindblowing, but we will continue our subreddit here. This is one of the few places left on Reddit that isn't completely taken over by the mainstream democratic agenda and they are doing their best to try to ruin that.

Yes! This!!!

I've always been socially liberal but the psychos on the left have literally forced out the sane people in the party. I've been done with the 2-party system, like most in this sub, for a while now but I would not hesitate to align myself w/the religious right over the whatever it is that the left has become any day.

the_donald is shillbots? wat?

I got banned for saying ivanka's clothing line was mostly maid in China.

I know, right? I love and support God Emperor for free! My first love was conspiracies, then Trump because he is very obviously not establishment or globalist (nor GOP, for that matter). That is the appeal!

Can we just, create a sub for them to fight over partisan shit and get back to Conspiracies without the political agenda?

Just feel like the people here for the conspiracies aren't here to be pushed into one political thought form over the other. We're just here because it's all fucked.

I think we should avoid all political conspiracies until they leave us alone and then eventually get back to political conspiracies because most involve and are orchestrated by the power elites/politicians.

Tell that to CTR

Fixed. Those two things are not the same in any way: One is a $40 million dollar outfit expressly created to shill and post propaganda, the other is a sub of randoms.

I have found that the best way to deal with this is to spread information about all types of shills. This will hopefully encourage people to stop assuming a comment or post is correct if it is highly upvoted, stop adopting the beliefs of their "peers" on social media just because it seems like a lot of people believe something, and stop assuming only one side has shills.

Many countries and corporations use astroturfing to change the minds of the masses. This includes the governments of the US, China, Britain, Israel, Turkey, Russia, and Vietnam. It also includes Warner Brothers, Microsoft, Sony, Dish Network, Lord and Taylor, and at least one pharmaceutical company called Duchesnay. Since this practice is technically illegal, and since it's very easy to get away with it, there are obviously a lot more companies that do this.

I encourage all to spread around the Astroturfing Information Megathread.

All you're really doing us encouraging people to call each other shills. And I guarantee you that we'll over 90% of the people on here that get called shills are not shills. Most just disagree with people.

People already call others shills. All I'm doing is providing information about the practice. Telling me that I'm harming discourse isn't going to stop me. Along with spreading this information, I have also been explaining where you might see them and where you probably won't.

Shill confessions can be found here.

Going by the number of entities that we know for a fact hire shills, and going by the tools they use to manipulate conversations online, we can made a guess as to how pervasive the practice is. First, we need to realize that it's very difficult to prove that a company is hiring shills. The actual number is probably much higher, especially considering the fact that this is an illegal practice for corporations and a disaster when a population finds out their government is spreading propaganda online using sockpuppets. They use "keyword alert" services, which give them notifications when a specific word or phrase is mentioned on social media. They can be in your thread within minutes. The second point I want to make is the fact that even if the total number of manipulated posts is 3 percent or even 1 percent, if these organizations are being run by even semi-competent people, they will concentrate their efforts only on threads which have a high visibility, such as everything on /r/all or anything that has the potential to hit /r/all later in the day. If they have extra time, which they probably always do, they will dip into lower threads because they have to fill up their time if they work 8 hours per day. Think of it like billboards. 99 percent of the Earth is billboard free, but these ads are strategically placed in high traffic areas, which ensures that almost everybody sees a couple billboards every day. Even if 1 percent of the posts and comments are manipulated by shills, you can easily see their work every time you browse Reddit.

Why are they on Reddit? Isn't this a niche website? Not anymore. Reddit.com is the 7th most popular website in the United States (3rd largest for social media) and has more traffic than mainstream media and media websites, such as cnn.com. In my experience, Reddit gives you the most views for the amount of effort you put in. It's extremely easy to spread information on here. That's why they come here.

The real problem isn't shills per se, its brigaders from hivemind subs. If you look at who the "shills" are, their mostly ETS posters that migrate in mass for certain topics (eg. Flynn).

This is specifically against Reddit rules. The same rules which are strictly enforced by /u/spez and others against The_donald. They should be strictly enforced all over the board, but /u/spez and the other admins have fallen into partisan enforcement of the rules to shape reddit into a hivemind that suits their narrow beliefs.

Brigading is the single most detrimental thing to discourse on reddit. it. It degrades and destroys the ability of subs to maintain their own culture and open discourse by inundating a small sub like ours with spam of like minded people looking to push a shared agenda. We need help from admins here, the only other solution would be for mods to ban people with ETS, the_donald or similar subs in their post history but that would go against everything this sub is about. We obviously cant ban political discussion because it is so often intertwined with conspiracy.

The Syria of subreddits, I like that comparison.

May they all be forced to make congress with their own mothers for all eternity in death.

I don't mind a few threads about last year's DNC nominee, but the election is over and there looks to be many other conspiracies unfolding.

I was a Democrat for over 10 years, but in 2016 I left the party when the DNC literally cheated Bernie, his supporters, and our very democracy. My time and money was wasted on a candidate that had no chance, and if we had known this from the start we could have built a real coalition around a 3rd party like Stein. Imagine what she could have done with $100 million (Bernie donations).

And now neither Keith Ellison or Tom Perez will admit that the DNC rigged the system against Sanders. That tells us one thing at least... that our job isn't done yet. If we want to restore power back to the American people and restore a functioning democracy we have to hold them accountable. Until then, I have no issues with DNC/Clinton posts.

Given the current state of the Democrats, I feel that they are beyond reform. At this point the whole system will have to come crashing down before any progress can be made.

And any time you point out that it was the Democrats fault they lost the election, you get downvoted and called a Russian shill. Democrats are sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling loudly to block out any form of reasoning.

Neolibs, yes. Hillary Neocons, yes. Berniecrats, no...

Yep. And it will continue to cost them. The biggest problem is is that by having a party be completely ineffective, we essentially become a 1 party system which makes America even more of a tyrannical oligarchy. If we are mandated to have a two party system, it would be ideal to at least have two functional parties and some quality discourse, but that seems impossible at this point.

I would argue neither party is functional at this point. Most of the Republican leadership was vehemently against Trump, and are now for some reason willing to compromise many of the principles of the conservative movement to support our president.

I wouldn't say that they are compromising that much. The Republican rank-and-file party members fucking hate Trump and they don't really disguise it all that well. McConnell has shot down many of his more liberal / center proposals and outright rejected any talks about campaign limits. Ryan and Priebus are particularly toxic assets that Trump would do well to purge from his administration, they are almost definitely establishment shills and undermining him daily.

I have literally never heard anyone use the term "Russian Shill" on this site.

I have been called that quite a few times. Go on r/politics and disagree with someone, you will get called just about everything their toxic minds can come up with.

Agreed. This 2-party bullshit has to end. They're both filled with toxic diarrhea.

I agree. Both parties are a joke. At least a large chunk of Democrats have the integrity to fracture off when the shit starts to drink too much. Republicans though? Seems they are fine rolling in it.

Idk, many Republicans have disavowed trump

The system was "rigged" against a losing candidate that was going to hurt the party's goals in the general election by staying in when he didn't really have a prayer anymore. This is completely normal politics, Bernie just didn't drop out of the race like most losing candidates do.

And questions for debates to help Hillary but not for Bernie is completely ok with you? They fucking cheated! They cannot be trusted... I left the party and will never go back

I'm with you on this.

And questions for debates to help Hillary but not for Bernie is completely ok with you?

I agree. This was shady as fuck. but as far as i know, it was only one question. Also, the question was about the Flint Water Crisis... at a debate IN FLINT.

If they would do that there's more they would do. That's how cheaters operate (am a cheater myself)

That's a pretty big assumption, seeing as it was probably one of the most publicly dissected campaigns of all time.

You mean when Hillary got told they'd be talking about water in the Flint, MI debate?

Bernie was winning. He won states and she was awarded the supers. He didn't have a chance fair or not

She won more pledged delegates as well. After NY, the outcome was pretty clear to anyone who pays attention to this stuff.

Actually, Bernie had a much better chance of beating Trump in the General Election than Clinton.

What you said, is patently false.

Actually, Bernie had a much better chance of beating Trump in the General Election than Clinton.

Actually he didn't, because he was never in the general election, because he lost the primary. All of the "shadiness" I saw out of the DNC emails I saw were all from after he had basically no chance of moving on. Staffers were understandably frustrated at him for dragging out the primary way longer than necessary, because the writing was on the wall after New York and that was precious time spent dividing the Democrats instead of trying to rally them around the person who was (at that point) clearly going to become the nominee. This is like Politics 101 here.

Look, I wish he won. I voted for him, I proselytized to my friends and family. I'm probably going to join the Democratic Socialists of America. Still, I'm a cynic at heart, and all this strikes me as an attempt to pretend Bernie and his ideas could only be defeated by cheating and a denial that Hillary had electoral upsides (mainly in the form of name recognition) that Bernie just didn't.

The fuck you smoking? Bernie beats Trump all day.

you have no idea what Trump would have pulled out against Bernie. Sure Bernie would have dug into the working class voting bloc that gave Trump the win, but he would have definitely lost the moderate democrat votes with his idealism.

The Bernie thing is a counterfactual. I think he wins in this universe, where Trump didn't see him as enough of a threat to attack him (on the contrary, he pushed the "Bernie got cheated" narrative to increase apathy among Democratic voters). I do believe he would have won against Trump, but A) we can't know for sure and B) it was kind of irrelevant after he failed to beat Hillary. And he did get beaten. People want to pretend it was all down to the DNC somehow, but he lost by millions of votes, more than Hillary was losing by when she dropped out to leave the way open for Barack.

In what way was the system rigged against Sanders? Any evidence? (Emails from after he was mathematically eliminated saying mean things aren't evidence of a rigged system)

He wasn't mathematically eliminated until AFTER California. And have you read the DNC CHARTER? They are required to be neutral throughout the whole primary. The charter doesn't say "when one candidate starts winning we must support that candidate" does it? No, it doesn't.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html

So when Luis Miranda made his subordinate share this misleading article written by FIRED journalist Jon Ralston, it broke the rules https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9423

Or when Donna Brazile passed along debate questions... against the rules.

Or when the DNC didn't hold Clinton accountable for LYING TO AMERICAN VOTERS that is also against the rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbkS26PX4rc

Seriously? No on even reads they link. Only watches the youtube videos with scary music saying they are bad. READ the email you linked and pull out the part you find inappropriate please.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9423

https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/731892274464841729

https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/732699220465975296?lang=en

https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/748602760468246528

These are small-picture people. Instead of accepting the plain facts that Clinton won the caucus and out-hustled Sanders at the state convention, they want to talk about arcane rules being imposed, whether chairs were really thrown and if anyone should make a fuss out of chalk on walls and sidewalks (even if the messages were hateful).

CHAIRS WERE NOT THROWN. The DNC spread an article that begs the question of Bernie supporters, but no chairs were thrown. This article is extremely misleading, and the author was implying that chairs were thrown for months. Oh... and Jon Ralston was FIRED.

DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE LYING TO AMERICAN VOTERS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbkS26PX4rc

Considering that Comey reopened the case a week before the election and American voters chose Hillary in the primaries because she was a "safe choice", and then when Comey gave his testimony in June and the DNC didn't hold Clinton accountable, that is basically spitting in the face of every Democrat in the United States and telling them that the DNC doesn't give a shit about them.

So your proof of a rigged system, is that in a private email between DNC staffers, a DNC staffer was upset that Bernie supporters were focusing on dumb things. She then shared a news report, again in a private emails between staffers, that suggested that it was in fact the Bernie supporters who were causing a ruckus (though you correctly point out this was false and the reporter fired), not the Hillary supporters as had been the narrative.

Seriously, where here is your proof of rigging?

The article was misleading. The DNC is required to be neutral according to their charter https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html

I'm not sure who the "she" is you are referring to and you seem to be omitting parts of my argument, so you can correct yourself or stop trolling.

the "she" i'm referring to is the person writing the emails your linking. The organization was impartial, the fact that staffers were blowing off steam in private emails does not change that. Honestly, I'm sorry your guy lost, but he received less votes. That's really the long and short of it.

Luis Miranda is a man.

The organization was impartial, the fact that staffers were blowing off steam in private emails does not change that

SHARING A MISLEADING ARTICLE WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION TO THE FIRED JOURNALIST IS NOT IMPARTIAL NOR IS IT SIMPLY BLOWING OFF STEAM. IT'S AN ACTION TAKEN AGAINST SANDERS.

Honestly, I'm sorry your guy lost, but he received less votes. That's really the long and short of it.

Again. You keep omitting my arguments. Hillary LIED to voters and they thought she was a safe pick. She lied about being a safe pick, especially considering Comey reopened the case a week before the election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbkS26PX4rc

So YOU get your facts wrong and omit argument that make you look bad. Get out of here shill.

Dude your mad because in a private email between DNC Staffers he linked an email without giving its bibliography? And to you that is proof of a rigged primary system.

If you don't understand why the second part of your argument is ridiculous I honestly can't help you.

I'm just going to report you. Thanks and have a nice day.

It's literally what you said, "SHARING A MISLEADING ARTICLE WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION TO THE FIRED JOURNALIST IS NOT IMPARTIAL NOR IS IT SIMPLY BLOWING OFF STEAM. IT'S AN ACTION TAKEN AGAINST SANDERS."

just out of curiosity. Do you remember exactly what the debate question was that they passed along?

I had to do a custom search to change the date range otherwise Google wouldn't show the the first one. Weird. Anyway...

Here's the first http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/roland-martin-cnn-email-donna-brazile-wikileaks-229673

Second http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/303556-emails-brazile-leaked-debate-question-to-clinton-camp

Video of Donna ducking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AMZkDM2SpY

Just too make every single person happy we should start a revolt and have Sanders and Ron Paul be the first ever 2 person presidency.

I thought Bernie made a great voice in the DNC, but I don't think he'd beat Trump. I'm not sure the country is ready to elect a self-avowed socialist. As for Stein, some of her positions (like closing every military base over seas) was too extreme for my tastes.

But I agree with you in theory, the DNC is definitely a mess and there's tons of corruption. But, I'd be shocked if there wasn't a ton of corruption on the GOP side as well.

I thought Bernie made a great voice in the DNC

I doubt it. I don't think I've ever seen a true Bernie supporter active in /r/EnoughTrumpSpam. A pro-censorship sub is completely opposite of progressive ideology.

But I agree with you in theory, the DNC is definitely a mess and there's tons of corruption. But, I'd be shocked if there wasn't a ton of corruption on the GOP side as well.

You can speculate all you want, but that's all it is. Instead, why don't you focus less on speculation and more on demanding accountability when you have facts right in front of your face. Nobody in our country should have supported the DNC or Clinton, especially after they were lied to throughout the primaries as proven by James Comey & Julian Assange. Clinton shouldn't have ever been on the ballot, so who cares if you don't think he would have beaten Trump? Bernie was the only politically legitimate candidate Democrats had.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean we should continue to discuss corruption within her campaign. She might be out of the picture but the systemic issues within the DNC are still very much a problem.

Why not discuss the allegations against Trump and his administration? That seems to be a bigger security concern right now considering we might have a President who has been compromised by a foreign government. That is a conspiracy if I have a ever heard one.

Why not discuss both? Neither party has a monopoly on corruption.

Discuss both then but Trumps allegations are essential Watergate x 10 and pose a huge security concern

Hillary taking "donations" from sponsors of terrorism wasn't a huge security concern? What about her advice to arm "rebels" which became ISIS? Please, if you think this is even somewhat lopsided, you need to pull your head out of your ass. Both parties pose a huge threat to our security and you're a dope if you think otherwise.

At the moment, Hilary doesn't have any power in the WH. Trump is the President and might be getting blackmailed by a foreign government. Sorry but the President being controlled by a foreign government is much more pressing issue at the moment, not that Hilary's is not but at this time it does not pose as big as a risk as the man with the nuclear codes being compromised.

While it is clear in your bias, I think you should reconsider what /u/drinkonlyscotch has said here:

Why not discuss both? Neither party has a monopoly on corruption.

Even though they did retort with what Hillary did and not what Trump's team is doing now, I think this shows (on a small scale) why no more civil conversations go on.

FWIW; It is clear that BOTH parties (even given that Trump is not a republican and Hillary is not a democrat) do not have a monopoly on corruption. And given that Hillary is not in the White House (thank God!), and has no state power, that doesn't mean she couldn't still have some connections with people still in the government that could try to undermine the current administration. And before you solely point to President Trump being a pawn to President Putin/Kremlin, lest we forget who paid into the Clinton Foundation. Lest we forget why Obama gave his "red line" speech to Assad given that America had no interest in Syria until a certain Saudi wanted some 'pipe work' done. But oh, Obama is no longer president, so I guess what he and Clinton did, just magically disappeared.

Go ahead, check my history.

This administration absolutely should be undermined.

Technically a shared monopoly on corruption is what they have.

Discuss what you want to discuss, stop telling people what they should or should not talk about

I agree with you and with OP. There are a lot of conspiracies on here that seem repetitive but there are a lot of commenters that come in here and just say "that's dumb" or some really dismissive comment. I would rather have them contribute by pointing out the fallacies in the theory those comments grouped together are where I notice irregular trends in upvoting and down voting.

It's hard to do that when every time you point out the fallacies you're just called a shill or someone makes a ctr refrence. It gets fucking okd!!

Amen. Since when did Trump become a fucking champion for this sub? He should without a doubt be considered enemy #1. And this subs obsession with "pizzagate" (the most idiotically named thing ever) is deserving of derision.

OP is a fucking sheep. If he wants to feel at home in a sub he should try r/CircleJerk

Chill the fuck out your autistic screeching is embarrassing.

You're free to talk about Russia. The entire mainstream media has your back. Some people like to focus on non-state sponsored conspiracy theories, the kind that won't be disseminated by the CIA and espoused by every outlet.

This

This. I need more than just - CNN SAID SO! SO IT MUST BE TRUE!

Have you looked into it at all? Not trying to be rude, but the origin of the dossier is what makes me so curious about it. That one of the gentleman, that was a source, was found dead in the backseat of his car makes it look worse.

Fuck sides.

Funny how that Flynn thread has way more upboats than anything on here combined. Looks like they really want to push that story

I said it before, this isn't a sub for people who have blind faith in their leaders.

Should have picked Hillary, or Trump's gonna fix it.

^ fuck both groups, neither are adding to the conversation or even capable of understanding it. If you buy into politics as a team sport, GTFO, the grown-ups want to talk.

Right on., I just posted a comment criticizing both parties and the first thing I got was a down vote. The partisans enforce their agendas by both down voting fair comments. LOL

Yes, you're 100% right about what this place isn't about. I don't want to be part of the problem because I really love this sub.

But can I pled my case for having a wee bit of hope in trump? I've always loathed both sides. Can count on one hand politicians that I don't absolutely hate. Trump seems like a wild card that is so far doing what he said. He actually may not be evil. Clearly, he's no politician.

I don't think Trump is going to "fix it," but hope that he'll at least try to take back a bit of the government from tptb and restore it to us Americans. He's the first "dictator" who wants us citizens to be armed! He's really the first glimmer of hope for me since I fell down the rabbit hole. Don't you think it's a good thing that Trump is getting normies to talk about conspiracies, globalists and the shadow government? He's dismantled the 2-party system and is destroying msm. His supporters now know the gop/dnc is the same and believe a ton of conspiracies. They've also done some of the best citizen journalism and digging through wikileaks, etc. His supporters seem like a net benefit. Some of the best info as far as conspiracies is now coming from t_d and there's a lot more people really doing some good investigating because their sub is extremely active.

Well put. I would just add to this that it seems far too many of us (and I've been somewhat guilty myself) of seeing conspiracy/corruption on one side as somehow negating or diminishing the conspiracy/corruption on the other side. E.g. if the Clinton Foundation corruption is as far reaching as alleged, then we should ignore corruption and conflicts of interest with Trump; or conversely, Trump's corruption is so bad that we should ignore Clinton and more broadly the Democratic establishment's corruption.

Before this election, it seemed the general "sense of the sub" was that politicians on both sides were either a) funded and directed by the same cabal, or b) funded and directed by different cabals/factions, none of which had the people's interest at heart. It seemed we used to understand that neither Overton-approved side was good, but now the sub is as split into camps as the rest of the country. I think some of this is certainly intentional on the part of forum spies, yet it's up to us to actively resist their efforts.

This should be a pro-conspiracy, not a pro-Trump or pro-Hillary sub.

I would argue we should be anti-conspiracy ;) but I get your drift.

Yes. Do the people at r/conspiracy honestly believe that some "outsider" was able to trick the corporate media, the Republican party, and even the Democratic Party into giving up the pole position of control?

To override the establishment with such ease would make "ignorant" Donald Trump the most brilliant man who ever lived.

I have another idea. Donald Trump is smarter than people give him credit for, and with key player sin the Republican Party the media, and perhaps even in the Democratic Party perpetuating this illusion of "outsider," the entire establishment got what it wanted. :)

In the age of paid posting and the right wing backlash it inspired, every corner of reddit has become their battleground, completely inundated with polarized politics.

I recommend ignoring the political threads and continuing discussion on the other threads that are still active. Otherwise migrate to 4chan and sort through the garbage there to find the worthwhile threads.

Did you know that ties are designed to choke people that take things seriously?

choke on a dick

The election was last year. It is no longer Trump v Hillary. Now it is Trump v the American people.

Stop the deflection from this failing, corrupt government

People here are not Pro-Hillary, only about 15-20% of users here have genuine control of their thoughts.

lol. sad but true.

Mhm, think for yourselves. Absorb the data, break it down, come to your own conclusion. Share your conclusion, accept criticism, repeat the process with what you have learned. Everything has to come from you. This applies to everyone.

You are responsible for your thoughts and action. No matter what Trump says he will do, or whatever people say Hillary has done, it should not affect you. You should take ALL [every single piece of data, whether it is obviously faked, or seemingly authentic, and analyze and criticize the fuck out of it.] information available to you. From there, you can see different layers of what is actually happening.

None of these things matter if you are just listening to what others are saying and cannot critically think through the layers of misdirection and disinformation.

LAYERS ///

Public - The back and forth we see on the news. Questionable integrity. Private - The official private positions that we don't see people discuss on the news. Misdirection - Almost always talked about on the news, but mostly posted in alternate news forums and communities. Bits of truth. Disinformation - Almost never talked about on the news, but mostly posted in alternate news forums and communities. Bits of truth. Propaganda - Always on the news, usually criticized in alternate news forums and communities. Almost 100% backwards on the truth.

This is, of course, my personal opinion, I've merged most layers together to give a general overview and things may or may not work like this. ^

Yeah, Like you said only 20% of people here are even capable of that level of critical thinking.

But you know, I am thankful for each one of you who speak their mind. Who have come to their own conclusions. Who stand up for people when nobody would.

It does not matter that others do not want to realize their potential, or even think for themselves, for that matter.

What matters, is that in each moment, people like you are thinking for themselves. And that, my friend, is a beautiful thing.

Fuck off OP, just because it's not pro-Trump like you want it to be doesn't mean it's pro-Hillary. /r/conspiracy actually turned into shit sub because of you people

Fuck off r/politics retard.

No legitimate user here is pro-Hillary. Shareblue and David Brock have shilling the fuck out of this place ever since we made pizzagate go viral.

Theres been a significant effort to slide this forum. Their goal is to basically destroy this place and get rid of one of the top hubs on reddit where their propaganda is called out.

It really is hilarious, for over a year this place has been pro-Wikileaks and called out Hillary Clinton and the DNC every step of the way. We called out their Russia narrative for what it was, a WMDs in Iraq tier lie designed to start a war. And they think no one will notice when the DNC's Russia propaganda narrative starts getting shilled here with posts that verbatim read like /r/politics threads. Just take a click on the usernames making these posts and you'll see hundreds of anti-Trump posts a day on this sub alone

It's nice to know we are not alone though. I don't personally have the same expectations of other people since I've only been coming here regularly for a few months.

pro-Hillary

anti-Trump

anti-Trump

anti-Trump

anti-Trump

You do realize that being anti-Trump is not the same thing as being pro-Hillary, right?

Why is it so difficult for you to wrap your head around the idea that someone can be against Trump and also be against Clinton, or that they can acknowledge that Trump is unfit for office and also believe Clinton was unfit for office?

Though it's hard to tell sometimes, this is a conspiracy sub, not a politics sub. Looking at corruption in office and potential conspiracies is what this sub is for, regardless of who's in office.

Perhaps instead of accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a shill (even as you yourself shill all day and night), you could actually give objectivity and try. You might find it refreshing.

Perhaps instead of accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a shill

Its not an accusation when Brock and Shareblue openly flaunt their million dollar propaganda operation.

How many two week old accounts do we have to read whinging about the shills on the left before the real conspiracy is obviously all the new accounts that are shilling hard for Trump?

"There's no way this many people who disagree with my bullshit can be here." Please. The ego of the delusional.

Just take a stroll through new with me and see. Bonus if you question it in new youll be attacked by a certain type reddit user.

IMHO, I think an honest, open-minded conspiracy investigator is not "pro" anything. That "muddies-up" things when putting the pieces together.

this is a joke right? you simply forgot your /s ?

LMAO

Dear Leader is getting exposed for the corrupt and incompetent fuck he is and you are claiming it is a conspiracy.

Share Blue up in herrrre

Yeah... The koch bros better step their game up, those cucks. After all, they've been doing at least as much for years now.

You know why

Apparently Uranium one deals are OK but Flynn talking with Russia is bad. .. I get it.

A pro Hillary sub? Lmfao. Where the fuck have you been? Gtfo with your two week old red pill bullshit account.

Wow, one anti-Trump article leads to millions of PG posts, and self posts about how slanted to this place is?

Sounds like an agenda.

People need to learn that echo chambers are unhealthy and constantly hand-waving stories as pro-Clinton shilling is intellectually dishonest. When any discourse is labeled "shilling" instead of having stories or points addressed then it's time for introspection.

I was able to have an awesome discussion with someone that I fundamentally disagreed with yesterday. We were both discussing a story in good faith and avoided labeling each other. You would get a lot more of that if you stopped with the overly divisive crap and accepted that people can disagree without being the enemy.

Shareblue on the attack.

yup

It reached the front page.

/thread

Yep

Republicans are in complete control. It makes sense for liberals to be concerned about that, especially given the way things have been going.

Democrats have zero power in the federal government right now. There isn't much point in looking for conspiracies perpetrated by a group that doesn't have any power. It only makes sense that conservative conspiracists would lose interest and liberal conspiracists would replace them.

it isn't even technically a conspiracy at this point. it's just the establishment asserting their authority.

Because Trump is their one chance to take down Hillary and other corrupt politicians before it gets completely out of hand, if and when he does, they'll eventually turn on him for his past/future shinanigans. Why take out Trump now if he's about to shake things up with TPTB or break this Hillary stuff wide open. This type of shake up doesn't happen often. If he doesn't do shit and ends up aligning with the elite, this sub will turn on him overnight... In the end, many here aren't pro/anti trump/hillary, they're anti corruption, simple as that. I don't like Trump, but I'd rather he rips us off a few billion over his term but completely exposes the previous corruption and in the long term saves us a few trillion. It's sad, but at this point many feel it's probably our only chance at fixing government, even if the whole thing collapses onto itself.

Soros-funded globalist shills are all over Reddit and Twitter.

They are attempting to capitalize on Flynn's resignation in order to drive a wedge between Trump and his supporters.

Divide and conquer. Oldest tactic in the book.

yup, it's sad

When news, worldnews, politics and conspiracy are all saying the same thing it should be obvious what's going on here.

ShariaBlue's shift starts early morning eastern US time. Don't be alarmed by the waves of shills.

I have noticed a recent uptick in People trashing Trump, promoting MSM, and FBI narrative. I noticed it around the time I saw Sharedblue agenda's being passed around.

Trashing Trump is one thing, but promoting MSM, and FBI narrative is another thing for this sub to now be leaning toward.

On the other side, I have also noticed a "Praise kek," "red pill," narrative being pushed as an alternative to research critical thought and analysis.

I think the bottom line is what I went on about this past Friday; "Hillary fucked Reddit up." Her actions artificially disrupted the community. When she chose to hire shills to harass people, control the narrative, and brigade anything resembling free thought.

I can understand TD supporters are here. They were forced out of just about every other sub, but I don't understand why HIllary supporters showed up here. Prior to the election this sub was a Hillary trashing paradise.

Trashing Trump is one thing, but promoting MSM, and FBI narrative is another thing for this sub to now be leaning toward.

Yep, posters who've been here longer than election season know something is fishy when the most upvoted posts are those that parrot the MSM's talking points.

When she chose to hire shills to harass people, control the narrative, and brigade anything resembling a negative thought about her..

Cognitive dissonance much? There are just as many paid Trump shills. And corporate shills. And bots.

Reddit and the internet are broken and it's not Hillary's fault. It's not Trump's fault. It's everyones fault because we spend hours a day clicking and that's how these people make money.

Quit your bullshit.

Cognitive dissonance much? There are just as many paid Trump shills. And corporate shills. And bots.

There is no CTR working for Trump's campaign. It's TD and they do it for free, and they have been pigeon holed to TD.

I'm so sick of people denying the impact of CTR, now Codeblue.

You are truly a special kind of idiot.

Good luck battling all those paid Hillary shills. They're still out there.

Do you have evidence Trump's campaign did anything like CTR did?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

Then the budget closed out closer to $9M.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997

I would love to see something backing up your claims about the Trump campaign. It will really tick me off and turn me against them.

Literally everyone with money and power uses social media to sway public opinion.

T_D is a coordinated effort to push an agenda and sway opinion.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4779/trumps-twitter-army-appears-be-phony-aaron-bandler#

This article is not even remotely similar to paying a group nearly $10M to shill on Reddit and facebook.

So, you are saying nothing exists for Trump even remotely similar to CTR? A super pac similar to CTR would have to be named, but no group or affiliation is named.

CTR is a known superpac working for Hillary. They are now called Shareblue. They have quite a hefty budget now, also.

It's not pro Hillary by any means. Plenty of traffic from the don who worship trump like he's Gods Gift to Patriotic Americans

once wikileaks and pizzagate came too big, CTR knew efforts had to be directed at the very people picking apart the elites secrets. It was only a matter of time (notice it's all like CNN and guardian articles on things related to obama's admin/russia narrative still being strung along).

Saying something against Trump is pro-hillary? Jesus fucking Christ an actual conspiracy is unfolding under our eyes and the place where you discuss it has basically nothing about it. How about that for a conspiracy.

Its like watching a boring tennis match (but I repeat myself).

We have posts saying this is a Pro Hillary sub now only to be countered by posts saying this is Pro Trump sub now only to be countered by posts saying this is a Pro Hillary sub only to be countered by a post saying its a Pro Trump sub.

Seriously, you shills really just please for the love of all things holy find a different hobby like playing frisbee on the freeway.

Are you joking? When is this a "Pro-Hillary sub"? If you want one go to /r/politics.

If at anything this looks more like a pro-trump sub.

lol /r/conspiracy is pro hillary? I don't come here often, but damn if posts regarding the Flynn controversy weren't a refreshing change of pace to me (not a hillary or trump supporter).

This sub is decidedly right-leaning, and even when a leftist post makes it to the top it is almost never pro-Hillary.

The strange notion that an actual "pro-Hillary" post can receive even five up votes before getting pummeled into the negatives is just plain false, and really undermines a lot of the already ridiculous theories on the sub.

Uh yeah this definitely not a pro hiliary sub. Nice try.

ShariaBlue AKA CTR

Truth is that no matter who is in office --corruption still exists either blatantly or behind the scenes. It's never worth getting worked up over any politician or a political party. They have an agenda to push. At the end of the day, they do what benefits their own agenda. Once you come to this realization it's easier to keep an open mind. This realization has helped me cope in the real world too.

When this sub is promoting the EXACT same stories as the MSM and subs like news, worldnews and politicis you know some fuckery is going on.

Here's a newsflash to all the brigaders who are now "conspiracy posters", when the main stream media is running a story it's NOT A CONSPIRACY! The media are complicit in the overall conspiracy against society run by the most powerful corporations on the planet, aka "The Powers That Be". If they are telling you one thing, the truth is likely the opposite.

So well said. Get ready for the down votes.

This is a pro fuck-all sub, so quit this bipartisan bullshit.

Is this deliberate projection? It seems like it.

Even The_Donald has become anti-Flynn now, it seems ...

Believe it or not, there's people who are anti-Hillary, anti-Trump. It doesn't mean they're pro-Hillary...

Get your fucking facts straight man.

One of the reasons I came to this sub in the first place is that it is non partisan. I don't like the blind following of T_D or the CTR shills invading r/redacted or any of the other subreddits. We need to keep this subreddit void of the political spectrum and focus on the theories presented. That seems insanely hard to do in this day and age and I actually don't envy the mods on that.

Because everyone isn't circlejerking this pro-Trump bullshit they have to be paid shills? Is it really that hard to believe pro-Clinton people would be against her opponent in the primaries, against her opponent in the election, against the child rape conspiracy that people include her in despite a lack of tangible evidence, and in favor of the media that just spent a year sucking her dick? That's logic, not conspiracy, and if you think this place, the last place on Reddit you can really discuss that stupid fucking pizza bullshit, is pro-Hillary then you really are delusional. Not everyone who doesn't believe Alex Jones on everything is a paid shill. God damn it.

Sounds like you are only focusing on shills

A lot of t_d people are here because there are few safe places on Reddit for them. Blame true blue, ctr, and the reddit powers that be. Actually quite smart to limit all the users they wanted to be labeled crazy into conspiracy and t_d.

To them the real threat is free thought. It almost doesn't matter what you think, its just a problem if it doesn't come from the approved list of viewpoints.

This is all about controlling the narrative. The fact that they are threatened by a subreddit means we are winning.

Just keep talking. Spout your crazy ancient aliens BS all you want.

I love this! Thank you. It is about freedom and they are trying to silence us for even questioning the status quo. Dear god, do not mention sandy hook, you will be called the worst names possible.

I notice even on the Donald they are anti Flynn. they are staying consistent. saying that he has to go cuz he lied to Donald. and that they're against Hillary cuz she lied too. so stayed consistent here.

How is saying Clinton screwed over Sanders pro-Clinton?

This place eats itself alive and it's quite sad. Everyone wants to be the one to say "HA I told you so! You are stupid for believing __. The real 'conspiracy' is ____". Even though what they believe can be just as "crazy".

We all want to act as if we are separated and above believing something that some would consider possible. Then, when some new info comes out that MIGHT prove you right, we like to shit on those people to feel good about ourselves.

Truth is we ALL think some crazy shit is going on. We just want to be part of the winning team that guessed it right.

We should all be working at a common goal to find the truth (whatever it may be) and not beat each other up.

Totally agreed. The shills are in full force today.

We ought to have r/conspiracy weather updates to forecast what time the shill shit will inevitably blow in.

You are categorizing people way to much i'm willing to bet there are plenty of people here that cross all those lines. some may be pro-bernie, meh-hillary, meh-mainstream media(they participated in the dncleak lies), fuck putin(not russia), anti-pizzagete.

Yeah.... must be some sort of.....

.....conspiracy?

The real question is why your pizzagate doesn't offer its own sub/safe space for you, so you don't get triggered by rational discourse.

I feel like this sub is a perversion of 'no sleep.' It is as if everything has to be treated as real.

No doubt there is a genuine US/Russia conpiracy occurring today. Bring it up here and the response is 'but pizzagate.' Gimme a break. This need not be so political.

Why are so many people treating this Michael Flynn news as proof of all things lead to Russia. Use critical thinking people. If the Russian meddling/scapegoating was played up like so many here have believed the Trump administration or even just Flynn may have wanted to calm tensions over the sanctions and ejection of Russians. It would have been an ill advised thing to do clearly but it isn't validation. This sub shouldn't be Pro-Trump or Pro-Hillary. Question everything and don't become polarized like the rest of reddit.

Conspiracy purists believe that Hillary and Donald were working together. Political bias makes people blind to the biggest conspiracies.

The DOJ possessing a recording of Flynn violating the Logan Act by secretly undermining Obama's sanctions while he was still President has nothing to do with Hillary.

This sub is NOT pro-Hillary at all. I'm a trump supporter, and this sub has been pro-trump since before the election. I do believe that each side deserves the same amount of scrutiny, even if I did vote for one of them. It's only fair.

There is no way there are that many people who are pro-Hillary, anti-Bernie, anti-trump, anti pizza gate, pro main stream media, russiaphobes all commenting here at the same time by happenstance.

Dude the national security advisor just resigned after he lied about conspiring with the russian government. This on top of the president, who hired Flynn, already being accused of working with the russians.

People want to talk about it, they think "hey, conspiracy usually goes for this sort of thing. Why wouldn't they love the government working for a foreign government?" So they came to the sub meant to discuss conspiracies.

Imagine for a moment, that this sub wasn't obsessed with pizzagate. But then, Podesta gets busted for being a pedophile. Suddenly a bunch of people go to this sub and start talking about how clinton must be involved in it.

This sub actually use to be about conspiracy theories. Now it's just ignorant politics.

Same way this SUB has been turned into the Pizzagatezone there is an information war on going between two factions of our elites. The Wall Street Corporate Globalists and a Dominionist America First Faction. At least this Civil War is being fought in cyberspace and not at wonderful places like Antietam, Gettysburg, Chickamauga, and Petersburg.

i dislike both clinton and trump, and i find pizza gate unconvincing, i mean, not the existence of pedophile rich people taking advantage of children(its happens everywhere, the uk, australi), but the actual arguuments for pizza gate, alefantis, comet ping pong, maria ambrovich(however you spell that) and it alwlays seems to go back to them(the people making the pizza gate connections) to being believers in the dude with the beard in the sky who hates shelfish and the gays, i just dont believe in that story, grew up catholic but slowly left that belief system behind, i guess thats my biggest problem with pizza gate, its seems like religious people made all these connections based off of what they deem to be creepy, i love me some kafka and david ferth and weird uncomfortable art. i hope theres a coherent thought in there.

i don't really get it either. it doesn't really seem like it would be worth the effort to shill a forum like this with such limited influence but at the same time posts don't seem authentic so i don't know what is going on. unless the point is to try to turn this place to shit before vault 7 or whatever happens next.

I'm so glad you see it too.

Since r/conspiracy made front page a few time, it seems like both td and hc shills have been on here.

Pro Hillary sub? Don't feel like we're looking at the same sub, mate.

The donald people are hurt cuz this sub isnt jerking them off anymore

I distinctly remember another whiny post complaining about all the pro-trump propaganda in here.

The right needs the same type of thing, then it will be banned since the left wouldn't like it. What CTR is doing is far worse than any phantom Russia election tampering.

This sub is far from pro-Hiliary but what's with you /r/the_donald ruining our sub with your right wing propaganda? What's with you guys acting like Donald Trump is our Lord and savior? Why do you guys constantly blame the left and liberal about what's going on in the world? Even though left and right was invented to just divide us and you're fallen right for that trap.

I won't give a dime to the republican or Democratic Party. I did vote for Trump. Couldn't bear another Bush or Clinton.

Pro-Hillary? I've never seen anyone who likes Hillary on this sub. Just people who point out the hypocrisy that people are still mentioning Clinton every 2 posts while Trump is the president. Almost no effort by those people to look further into Trump.

Let's just stop with this binary mentality. Attacking Trump doesn't mean you're pro-Hillary. Mentioning something other than Pizzagate doesn't mean people think it's fake.

Russiaphobes? There is nothing wrong with looking twice at what Russia is doing. Michael Flynn resigning means something, it's that there's actually something going on.

Ok. You missed the point. A pro-trump sub. With usually low commented on posts and very meh upvoting. Suddenly, a post about Flynn on /r/conspiracy. Thousands of heavily upvoted comments slamming Trump. Massive down voting of any comment not bashing Trump. And more curious still, an obsession about this dumb post I posted this morning expecting to get maybe 4 answers.

And? What's wrong with being anti-Trump? This sub has made little to no effort investigating and looking into Trump and his aides. The people complaining about Pizzagate don't think Pizzagate is false. It's because 50% of this sub has been devoted to Pizzagate. People want more content. Not just daily Pizzagate threads with no new evidence or Trump shills telling us why Trump is so great.

Again, Stop with the binary mentality. Being against Trump doesn't mean you're a Shareblue paid shill.

Please. This post has nothing to do with the sub over all. I had to do with the anti trump brigades

This is the shittiest shit shit shitpost I have seen in a while, and that includes all of the David Seaman shit posts.

I posted it as a question and expected the normal 4 responses I get on /r/conspiracy. Fuckers are here with a vengeance!

Why did this sub become so pro Trump and political? When I was lurker. I came for the fun. Now all I see is how the political system is playing everyone for fools here. What ever happened to the theory that Trump and Clinton are part of the New World Order? Designed to tear down the government from the inside out? And divide us while doing so? That was a real conspiracy. Not all this chump change like voter fraud. That's not conspiracy. That's been happening for ever. The EMAIL issue happened all the time. Trump being an ass. So what? Not conspiracies. Pizza gate is the best conspiracy out there. Sadly you guys think that Hillary Clinton is some how a pedo or involved with pedos on purpose. Think she has a choice? Bill is the one who created the foundation and he's the one that kept her afloat. She owes him and all his disgusting friends.

Trump is a weirdo. Far more of a weirdo as Clinton. So when I look at it, as someone who believes in real conspiracies, i know they are both pawns in the same game. I choose Clinton cause she is far better pawn and a pawn that deserves to be played more.

please post an example of someone that is pro-Hillary.

I am anti government. or current government process and regimes. America has been one of the most corrupt countries for like 50 years.

I made a thread earlier pretty much bashing all the Trump supporters and it was removed (rightly so, broke rule 10 blatantly). I have been seeing way too many pro-trump folks in this sub and anytime something negative comes out about Trump or his admin, everyone is quick to jump on his dick and downvote and call everyone disagreeing a shill.

I am anti Hillary, wish we had Bernie. I supported Trump over HRC but that in no way means i like trump, guy is a douche and so is the rest of his team, especially Sessions and Bannon.

It's the "Field of Dreams" phenomena. If you build it, she will come. Thank you.

I would say with confidence that there is absolutely zero people here who are "pro-Hillary". Even the dumbest of us here know about her.

Then who were the thousands of commenters on the Flynn post attacking Trump and downvoting the crap out of anyone who wasn't bashing Trump,

Anti-Trump is not the same as Pro-Hillary. A lot of people just don't like him, you know.

How is the Flynn post in any way related to Hillary Rodham Clinton?

ShariaBlue is brigading hard. Mods should ban with a wide brush.

Wasn't this sub pro Trump just the other day?

Just sayin

The sub itself isn't but the massive influx of T_d assholes coming in here is killing it.

You missed the point completely. Pro trump sub. You said that. Then a post about Flynn appears and suddenly thousands of like minded rabidly trump hating redditers attack and downvote any comment that is not anti-trump and upvote anything that slams trump. And there were thousands of comments in a short amount of time which is also highly unusual in /r/conspiracy.

Pro Hillary?

This sub leans heavily pro trump. Lots of pizzagate stuff and the like, and nobody seems concerned at all with Trump's russian problem.

That is the point of my post. A pro trump sub. We agree. Usually low activity. Then suddenly a post about Flynn and thousands of anti-trump come in to conspiracy en masse to downvote and attack any comment that is not anti-trump.

I think shes going to run. I believe ctr is playing the long game with us.

Away from the prison guards?

Lol

At its core, I don't think this sub is pro any political affiliation. What I DO believe is that this sub has a fluctuating base of users depending on the current political status of the world. When Hillary's shady practices were brought to light many pro trump/anti Hillary freethinkers (myself included) flocked to this sub in order to discuss these practices with like.minded individuals. Now that many of Trump's shady practices, and those of his cabinet, are being brought to light we are seeing an influx of pro Hillary anti trump free thinkers. Its just a constant ebb and flow... My two cents

There is no way there are that many people who are pro-Hillary, anti-Bernie, anti-trump, anti pizza gate, pro main stream media, russiaphobes all commenting here at the same time by happenstance.

It's true you nailed it. Lol thanks for the chuckle.

And all of these comments whining that I am crazy because /r/conspiracy is a Trump circle jerk. That's the point! Why would a Trump circle jerk sub suddenly turn rabidly against him? Argh!!!!! No deep thinkers out there.

TIL pointing out conspiracies involving the current administration in power makes you a shill for the opposite party.

But to each their own. No conspiracies under trump; ho hum, no conspiracies under obama ; ho hum, no conspiracies under bush; ho hum, no conspiracies under clinton; ho hum.

Guess everyone is a shill.

It's just like when Conspitard use to brigade.

I thought everyone was saying this sub has turned into The_Donald_Part_Deux. Make up your fucking minds or get help for the bi-polar issue.

That is the point. One post about Flynn. Then miraculously, thousands of pro-Hillary, rabidly anti-Trump redditors attack and downvote any comments that do not fit the anti-trump agenda. Thousands of comments? Thousands of Anti-trump comments all massively upvoted? Does that sound like /r/conspiracy to you?

It's almost like some sort of ... conspiracy?

/u/spez continues to allow /r/enoughtrumpspam to brigade other subs, and for some reason they have made our sub their new target. Now they are causing division and diluting the quality of our sub, but the admis see no problem with them because they agree with them.

/u/spez brings shame on the legacy of Aaron Schwartz by allowing Reddit to become a propaganda machine and selectively enforcing freedom of expression based on his own motives and beliefs. He is doing everything he can to absolutely shit on it, and ensure that his death was in vain. He should be ashamed of himself.

Nothing will change as long as /u/spez is in charge. He is no longer fit for the position and his incompetence is ruining all of reddit, and by proxy general discourse on the internet.

Calling out hypocrisy & corruption in the Trump administration does not equate to loving Hillary Clinton.

Lol she belongs in jail with trump.

Methinks this may very well be the beginning of the end of the Trump regime.

Around when it turned to a pro Trump sub. They all need to get out, and we need new mods who are neutral.

All of reddit has become overrun with hillary bots.

Not to mention we suddenly have a 1900+ comment thread.. which happens like fucking never

Oh I'm sorry is it annoying to you when we don't act like T_d2?

You gotta be trolling, right?

Pro-Hillary? The only posts I've seen that mention Hilary is from The_Donald. She has been out of the loop since fucking November.

idc if someone is an HRC supporter as long as they aren't trolling or a shill.

This place is about conspiracy theories right?

Literally no one in this sub praises Hillary.

A MASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIVE percentage of the people currently viewing and contributing this sub are 100% pro Trump. The submissions back this up.

Show me the most recent Pro Hillary submission. Show me this blatant Pro Hillary rhetoric on this sub.

You can't, because you're full of shit and can't handle the fact that people disagree with the fake news that is being posted.

On this thread alone. The Down votes are crazy harsh toward Trump supporters. So, buddy, the shills are far outnumbering the trumpeters which I agree is very strange. That is the point here. A post goes up about Flynn and suddenly a million shills swoop in to downvote the hell out of all Posts that aren't anti trump. You and I agree that there is no anti-Trump bias in /r/conspiracy. Then why was the Flynn post attacked by perfectly shillbots en masse?

Who is Hillary and why are we talking about her?

Because the majority of "pro Hillary" Reddit users are shills who are paid to seek out any anti establishment truth and stifle it.

That thread yesterday was so obvious filled with shills. The obnoxious and self richeousness is intended to split the divide further. The effort to divide and conquer has never been stronger. They want us infighting instead of coming together.

Interestingly, I noticed an uptick of pro life crap on T_D. And when I would say, pro choice pedestrian here, tread lightly, I would get 48 down votes. There was something fishy going on to divide t_d.

I don't really read T_D but I knew a few months ago when that pro Israel push came through the sub was doomed.

Pro-choice all the way :)

Look at the top posts of the sub and tell me what you think.

Pro Hillary? Are you out of your tiny mind?

I am a Trump supporter, and I have been since day one (simply for the idea of throwing a wrench in the gears). But something is definitely up in my opinion. Trump was not supposed to win, this was not supposed to happen. I still cannot honestly believe that he won the election, and my personal belief is that something else is at play here. I am not saying that Trump cheated the election, because I honestly believe he didn't. What I do think however is that he was meant to win, as a sort of sacrificial lamb to the slaughter. Something is up, something big. I think we are looking at a big push coming up and we are being overwhelmed by propaganda. This is the exact subversion tactic Yuri Bezmenov discusses, he talks about being overwhelmed by information that it is impossible to decipher the truth. I think that what we are about to witness is just complete breakdown of society and structure. We will be so overwhelmed with "news" and leaks, and who did what that eventually the bottom will fall out, leaving the mess ripe for the picking from whoever is masterminding this.

And up next The Russians. And up later, The Russians. Special guest x here to discuss, The Russians.

And what freaks me out even more is the media and their power to amplify and exaggerate any situation to make it seem like people are up in arms about something. I truly believe that they have been testing the waters and priming the air for something big. I mean just look at who you said, Soros. He is literally behind every movement and protest group. BLM, the anti-Trump, pro-lgbt marches, women's march, etc. He has his hands in everything, and the media has been pumping this coverage out. I think that they have been testing out the waters to see what is an effective method, and how people respond. Once the time is right, something will kick off, I guarantee they have something as an endgame planned.

And not one of us knows who the puppet master really is or who is what side. No idea. We are only a baby step ahead because we at least know that the main stream media is full of shit.

I can't see it being just one person, rather a group trying to control the playing field. A bilderberg group situation.

Says the 15 day old account. I have never seen a single pro-Hillary comment in this sub.

The sub is meant for free thinking which means sharing ideas (whether pro/anti-Trump, or pro/anti-Hillary, or pro/anti-whatever). It is meant to be politically neutral, so it's neither pro-Trump nor pro-Hillary.

Thinking Flynn is a Russian shitbag shill != being pro Hillary. Lol

Because they were throwing chairs!

Anti-trump admin. isn't pro-hillary. I personally voted for HRC but looking at what is coming from this sub it is disappointing that I am not seeing many articles mentioning the absolute disaster the current administration is getting themselves into. No matter who you voted for this new admin is ridiculous.
Using apps that deletes your messages? A white house aide promoting a business tied to the trumps? Trump's connections to Russia are scary to say the least. R/conspiracy might have wanted Trump to win but his team is absolutely destroying whatever democracy we have left.

I am genuinely confused by the movie style hate for the Russians in every r/politics thread.

Should we not all make peace and get along?

People taking money from Russians? Do the American elites not send money all throughout the world?

Like, what the hell.

It's called ShareBlue, bro.

HOW DID THIS SUB BECAUSE SO FUCKING POLITICAL?

Wikileaks? The dnc?

Shareblue.

Bruh. This sub is so pro trump it is insane.

100% agreed. The way the left conspiracy people have been supporting the CIA is as crazy as the right not even looking into this Trump-Russia connection. We can't be partisan around here.

No, you literally just posted two examples of vote brigading. On the contrary, /r/politics filters out most if not all non left leaning sources. That's censorship. I am not aware of any sources filtered in this sub. See the difference between enforcing Reddit's rules and censoring sources which might produce information running counter to your desired narrative?

We've always been at war with East Asia.

lmao didn't /r/t_d users just finish crying about how account age doesn't matter because people create new accounts all the time and because doxxing and because etc. etc.?

Well said. I used to participate here a lot, but the election turned this sub into a T_D vs. CTR battleground and it just all became noise. IT was impossible to participate objectively because of it. Since Trump was selected, the Trumpeters have remained and the CTR's have fucked off, but the Trumpets like to thwack down any dissent early and often by whinging on about hos this sub is so "anti-Trump" 'all of a sudden'.

It's mass madness. More so than usual. And more importantly, it's not very informative any more. Try to post anything that's not Pizzagate or Trump/Clinton related and watch it immediately fall into obscurity. This sub was one of the last worthwhile places on reddit and now it's a hollowed out husk.

Guess the terrorists win, again.

Yeah but you down voted too

Discourse on Reddit is toxic and idiotic from all sides of the political spectrum. Those of us who are aware of what you're saying and agree with you mostly choose not to participate. There are a handful of information sources with intelligent reporting and analysis of power and it's abuses. Reddit is not on that list and never will be.

Right, I had to edit my original post. I meant that it's becoming all too frequent to see a posters account age and post history being used to discredit the poster instead of addressing points made within said post. I view it as intellectual dishonest and it doesn't help the quality of discourse within a sub when it is the norm.

The pole shift has been interesting to witness.

Not to me. I was active in one of those submissions and I definitely saw it as a brigade. Having been a member of this sub for over 8 yrs on various accounts, I feel very confident in the mods and their desire to keep this place censorship free.

You "felt" it was a brigade. Great, but you cannot prove it was or wasn't. The entire point of my post, that you apparently missed, was why not address the post and content within instead of hand-waving discourse as brigading when you've no evidence and doing so is meaningless. I see people constantly labeling others as shills, using account age and post history, and claims of brigading when forced to confront ideas or stories that they disagree with instead of discussing the actual content. It's intellectually dishonest and only does harm to the quality of discourse within this sub.

I tend to ignore people when they suggest they know better for me than I do.

I see that you handle suggestions and criticism well. Must be great to have nothing to improve on! Sarcasm aside, I would rather see quality discourse instead of intellectual dishonesty and division within this sub. That isn't to say that you are as this is more of a general statement about the state of this sub.

Go fuck yourself globalist loving shill trash.

Does Trump reach around? See how his works all ways? And how dumb you think it sounds from me, think about that for a minute. Probably won't be long enough, given your track record, but try hard.

the focus on Clinton has led a lot of people in this sub and in the conspiracy community to believing that Clinton's perceived rival, Trump, is somehow on their side. Like, somehow Trump is some kind of truth-telling underdog champion of human dignity and freedom or some shit.

A-fucking-men. People seriously need to pull their heads out of their asses.

Well said. This sub used to be great but it was a casualty of the election.

Trump, is somehow on their side. Like, somehow Trump is some kind of truth-telling underdog champion of human dignity and freedom or some shit. Which is completely idiotic. He's a rich, lying scumbag with virtual acres of closet space dedicated to storing skeletons. He's no different than any shady politician, if not worse.

Can you let me know where he became such a monster? Where are his skeletons? Hes been a public figure for over 40 years, but only recently has be become a racist, lying piece of shit.. Well as soon as he ran against Clinton that is.

Fine. Maybe you do that. But the rest of this sub doesn't half the users post on the donald. And wait a week, then post a negative trump story. It'll be lucky to get six upvotes.

Maybe you're neutral, but this sub isn't.

GOOD post. It's interesting how it seems like pgate is the perfect honey pot for right-leaning conspiracy theorists. It covers a lot of the theories that have been popular in that scene for years. pedophile rings, satanic cults, the Clintons. It's almost too perfect and I think that's why it's being pushed so hard on this sub.

I would say that there hasn't been a shift over to Trump because there was such a brutal and ugly campaign run only 3 months ago with so many dirty secrets being uncovered has resulted in zero repercussions. In essence, the majority feel cheated out of a victory and will not stop until they receive penance for all their 'work'. It's why I believe #pizzagate holds so much more water than your typical conspiracy. Those e-mails painted very succinct angles of fraud in regards to the primary election process and nothing was done about it. The media is clearly on the Democrat and Clintons side and there is a large populace that are fed up with it. They are out for blood. Between the Clinton Foundations connection with Haiti-trafficking, Clintin-ISIS and Podesta-pedophilia, SOMETHING has to break, right? This is compounded by the fact that Trump has alluded to some odd behavior in relation to Clinton/Epstein with some rather choice words. This is backed by the near 2000 trafficking arrests since his November win.

What's the big Trump conspiracy right now potentially, Russia? While anything is possible, we have a Democratic party who has been pushing that narrative so hard that it has all but lost all steam. Wikileaks has said time and time again it was not a Russian operative that provided the e-mails. If they are wrong at such a top level, why would anyone believe anything granular? This is backed by the fact we know there are a ton of people in the alphabet agencies that wanted to do anything they could to prevent a Clinton win. That makes infinitely more sense than Russia having blackmail over a well known, public facing billionaire with a household name. But even more so, if the media won't run with any of the mounding evidence for any of these conspiracies, why should the opposing side look deeper into Trump? It's the main stream narrative vs the researchers/conspiracy guys. And the researchers want a stamp in their books before moving on.

There's also the fact this administration hasn't even been in place for a full month yet so there's still 4-8 more years to go. A lot has happened in 3 weeks, but it still is only 3 weeks of potentially 200-400~. Plenty of time to pivot to new ideas.

This history of conspiracy theory trends needs to be on /r/depthhub

How do you get paid by Soros or whomever? I've asked before but nobody seems to know anything. I don't even mind getting paid to shill for Trump. Do you have any info?

I spend some time lurking on this sub and have always wondered if conspiracys have been more a right wing thing or if it was just more sided(uneducated on stuff before bush-era). You kinda put my thoughts into perspective. Glad to hear poeple trying to be unbiased.

That answers that apparently.

To our based moderators.

This

I feel as though you are dividing up conspiracy theories unfairly. Most theories are not partisan. What makes you say anti-vaccination people are left wing?? Most I know of are heavily conservative.

You lost me at the Trump part. You assert that he is really with these people but do you have proof? The reason people support him is because he is technically a political outsider and is anti-globalism (apparently).

fox news

your memes are behind the times, friend. it's 2017, Fox News is "okay" now (though still not as good as liberal-approved CNN), you're supposed to be accusing me of watching Infowars or reading Breitbart

and yes, you've caught me; I could have been repeating someone else's theory. but unless you can find someone else saying the same thing I said, before I said it, you'll have a hard time proving it.

believe it or not, I actually reached the conclusions for my theory on my own; using my own brain(!), I was able to look at what the mainstream mass media is telling us, and infer a possible alternate explanation.

again, there should be no reason for hostility; all I am doing is expressing ideas, fleeting thoughts that passed through my mind, thoughts that nobody else but me might be exposed to if the Internet didn't exist and I was able to share them.

so what's the problem with sharing ideas? if they're wrong, and provably so, then it's no skin off my back. but if they have any truth to them at all, or even if they don't but they cause someone reading them to think even further outside the box, in ways that I did or could not... is it really so bad to just share them, here on a subreddit expressly focused on sharing and discussing conspiracy theories?

I agree with everything you said, except for where you equated the massive amount of pizzagate posts with being pro-Trump. I am on the left politically, and I hate and distrust Trump as much as anybody. But I also have watched the pizzagate situation growing from the start, and I absolutely think it's real.

If a lot of people here also think it's real, then of course there will be a huge amount of posts every day about it. Not only does the situation risk falling by the wayside like the investigation into the Franklin scandal, which died out and failed to indict the politicians involved, but it also involves the lives of children.

If pizzagate is true, then everyday there is no smoking gun evidence or arrests means more and more children being hurt. So I really don't get the complaint about all of the pizzagate posts. It has nothing to do with left or right, it's just that the evidence already found is enough to make a lot of people here believe it to be true.

And if you read the comments to a lot of the pizzagate posts, you'll see there are plenty of people who aren't pro-Trump who are involved in this. It's just a big deal to a lot of people, and this kind of situation brings a lot of urgency with it.

Right on., I just posted a comment criticizing both parties and the first thing I got was a down vote. The partisans enforce their agendas by both down voting fair comments. LOL

You nailed it. I agree with everything you've said about what has happened to this sub in the past year. To be honest I was a huge Sanders supporter in the primaries, and in part was because of the anti-establishment rhetoric he used, which really spoke to how I feel politically (no,duh that's why I'm on this sub). But when all that shit with the DNC happened and Bernie lost, I was so mad about it. Then all the Wikileaks/emails came out against Clinton and I was so anti-Hillary at that point that I switched over and voted for Trump, and actually had an ounce of hope.

And even when I did vote, I never felt a sense of loyalty or strong support for him. My vote for him was mainly out of anti-establishment candidate, and now the political state we find ourselves in is horrifying. I totally agree with you, even if he declares to be a man of the people, he is the fucking President and should be held to the same scrutiny that this sub has given every other president. I also am turned off lately because frankly the discussions here are not as genuine or as thoughtful as they were before the election, regardless of the subject matter. And I think a lot of that has to do with what you saying about die-hard Trump supporters here now wanting anti-trump discussion.

I also really liked the beginning of your post when you talked about how both sides evolved with their theories. Anyways, this was an awesome post and was spot on about how I also feel about this sub.

And I still really enjoy this place, you can still find good, intelligent, non-biased discussions, but it's just more rare.

Which is....odd, given what the conspiracy theory community has always been about: interrogating and investigating power.

I used to think that's what WikiLeaks was about too, until today. That organization should be living up to their name and LEAKING the freakin' transcripts of the conversation, not attacking leakers.

Yuge ongoing Russian influenced cover up - this place should be ground zero for discussing it, but Pizzagate.

Do they? I would say they are fairly complicit in filling a narrative as any of the others you linked. They are just 'slightly' more credible about it. I think you can just look at how the buzzfeed dossier was handled as a reference of integrity.

Since 9/11 conspiracy has been cominated by conservatives? Motha what?! 9/11 is the biggest conspiracy out and it solely implicates republicans. This is not left vs right. It is right vs wrong.

If you actually spent time here you'd realise the majority of posters are aware that politicians are on the same team, regardless if their tie is red or blue. If you want to see a discussion you have all the power to come in here and start it. But I suspect you are just here to try discredit this sub.

I get you but I find it so tiring h IBF to repeat this all the time. Pizzagate is NOT a partisan conspiracy theory, it involves BOTH sides of the political parties, the elite. I notice that people from the left try to constantly frame this as a right wing conspiracy, when it isn't t all.

This. I need more than just - CNN SAID SO! SO IT MUST BE TRUE!

If they would do that there's more they would do. That's how cheaters operate (am a cheater myself)

I'm amazed you managed to get through that whole rant without using the word "Nazi". Go ahead, let one rip. You know you want to.

Have you looked into it at all? Not trying to be rude, but the origin of the dossier is what makes me so curious about it. That one of the gentleman, that was a source, was found dead in the backseat of his car makes it look worse.

I have addressed several of them today in an effort to try to put all of this shit to an end. I am so sick of them coming in here and attacking users and shit talking our mods when they only even come here to defend Hillary or attack Trump. That is not what this is about yet they do not seem to understand how their behavior is unwanted and grating.

You are correct in that they come here to repress dissent and freedom of discourse. To attack the very reason that the people of this sub come here for and yet wonder why the are unwanted.

It is truly mindblowing, but we will continue our subreddit here. This is one of the few places left on Reddit that isn't completely taken over by the mainstream democratic agenda and they are doing their best to try to ruin that.

Yes, you're 100% right about what this place isn't about. I don't want to be part of the problem because I really love this sub.

But can I pled my case for having a wee bit of hope in trump? I've always loathed both sides. Can count on one hand politicians that I don't absolutely hate. Trump seems like a wild card that is so far doing what he said. He actually may not be evil. Clearly, he's no politician.

I don't think Trump is going to "fix it," but hope that he'll at least try to take back a bit of the government from tptb and restore it to us Americans. He's the first "dictator" who wants us citizens to be armed! He's really the first glimmer of hope for me since I fell down the rabbit hole. Don't you think it's a good thing that Trump is getting normies to talk about conspiracies, globalists and the shadow government? He's dismantled the 2-party system and is destroying msm. His supporters now know the gop/dnc is the same and believe a ton of conspiracies. They've also done some of the best citizen journalism and digging through wikileaks, etc. His supporters seem like a net benefit. Some of the best info as far as conspiracies is now coming from t_d and there's a lot more people really doing some good investigating because their sub is extremely active.