Who wanted Flynn out and Why?

129  2017-02-14 by callmebaiken

NY Times claims that was was said on the call was Flynn told the Russian Ambassador not to retaliate against the Obama sanctions for hacking, which they then didn't, because that would make it easier to ease sanctions eventually. Washington Post claims it was the FBI that had the call tapped and told the White House Flynn had lied to Pence and therefore could be blackmailed for lying to his boss. But his lying aside, the call was pretty innocuous, nothing you couldn't say as a talking head on CNN. This all seems to be a tempest in a tea pot. I turn on Morning Joe and they are so relieved that Flynn is out. Richard Hass of the CFR said hopefully the replacement will be from the list of Foreign Policy types that signed a letter denouncing Trump! Flynn made the Globalist very nervous. They are quite excited by the chance to get an establishment hack in that position. Me thinks this has not much to do with Russia or that call or blackmail potential, and everything to do with Flynn's view of the world. Remember, this is a man who the media constantly reminded us, believed in conspiracy theories

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I agree with this 99%.

Mike Pence, the Trump Administration made him lie in front of the American people when it comes Mike Flynn.

Seems like he thought he was protecting Trump admin by not telling them everything. Or maybe it's all bullshit and they knew all along. But can you blame them? Obama set up the whole thing so they could attack Trump for being weak on communists or whatever. It's such a fucking transparently baseless attack.
Flynn's resignation was damage control at the least, and perhaps a sign that the military industrial complex has regained control of US foreign policy. Even with Trump's bluster about Iran and routing out ISIS, it seems the presence of Flynn was too much.

That's a great point. Blame the election loss on Russia (a narrative still so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's been cemented into the Wikipedia of modern history), put in place sanctions as "punishment" knowing it sets a trap for Trump if he wants to get rid of them because they unwarranted in the first place. Flynn tells the ambassador, "don't worry, we know it's bullshit" and gets fired

Yes. the calls where made the same day the sanctions were placed. He did not violate the Logan Act, no wrongdoing was found by the FBI. http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/intelligence/315793-fbi-found-no-wrongdoing-in-flynns-calls-with-russian

Oh wow, great find. This really shows what a nothing story this is.

It really is nothing. But you can;t tell that to all the talking heads freaking the fuck out over it. Lady on CBS this Morning was about to blow a vein talking about it. It's all so pathetic.

"What did the President know, and when did he know it!!!"

If it really is nothing why did he lie about what he said?

Well, we know it's not to hide anything really sinister and nefarious because that would have been in the transcript and in the press. So I'd say he just didn't think he had "discussed sanctions" in his mind

I agree. Something is fishy. Flynn was ousted by the Obama administration for an aids criticism of said administration. Now a former member of that administration is involved in the plot. Sounds like there's something strange going on here.

Another fishy angle is the blackmail warning is being tagged on Yates, who's already gone! Convenient scapegoat.

The Deep State is determined in getting WWIII and Flynn was a problem for them.

As a human being I don't want full scale thermonuclear war with Russia.

"Your opinions have been noted. They are measured to be irrelevant."

Luckily it won't be. It'll be with Russia AND China. :)

Russia wants US v China.

Are you a spokesman for Russia?

Are you paid by Russia to obscure all anti Russian information?

why don't you try to ask relevant questions instead of swaying conversation with lowkey ad hominem attacks. you should be embarrassed for even attempting to argue something with an accusation. lol.

Flynn was all in for prosecuting PG. End of story.

His son is on the record tweeting about it

A lot of thing are going on at the same time right now.

If this is nothing more than a tempest in a tea pot or just strategy from Trump. We will see Flynn come back in another role or an other.

We all have to acknowledge that Trump is a master strategist.

since when do we need to acknowledge hes a master strategist?? This is the guy who signed an executive order restructuring the national security council, and didnt even know what the order was doing. Its delusional to call him a master strategist http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/29/512295108/with-national-security-council-shakeup-steve-bannon-gets-a-seat-at-the-table

just to understand the context and that a lot of thing we are speculating here are with no real knowledge of the full picture. And that Trump was able to win everything in a very asymmetric fight.

Those who have underestimated the Don do so at their own peril.

you know the best way to get more real knowledge of the full picture: investigation by house oversight committee. But I cannot imagine that will happen while chaffetz is running it

Give it time.....not even 100 day.

Or how about you look at it with the simplest explanation. Flynn was outed by Sally (Former AG) to trump because she felt his connections to Russia would harm the administration and be a security risk and bargaining chip for Russia since he violated the Logan Act due to speaking about government policy while being a normal US citizen. Trump ignored her and told her to fuck off, forcing her to resign only a week later. In the hopes this Flynn connection went away, they kept quiet on the issue and made some remarks about ISIS AND Iran (who Flynn has been vocal about bombing Iran into oblivion) to try and manipulate current discussion.

This is another one of trump appointees with if ties to Russia. Paul Manafort was hired and lasted, what, a month? After being found out as a Russian comrad and helping Russia with their coup of Ukraine. He later resigns due to these connections to Russia. Then we have Rex tillerson, former Exxon Mobil CEO, who has massive business ties to Russia, who's company has lost hundreds of millions of dollars in russia due to the sanctions brought on by Obama. Why is it that trump has hired so many sketchy people with sketchy Russian connections? This could be a hue conspiracy yet we blow it off because so many news outlets are covering it.

This should be further Investigated, but I think it's asinine to just ignore this and continue with pizzagate when we could easily be discussing and researching both. Yet somehow whenever these stories have come about trump, we get flooded with CTR + T_D shills (almost as if on purpose this happens) and the posts get tagged and taken down with no discussion on the actual content.

One last thing, the former MI8 spy who wrote the dossier, he is now in hiding for fear of his life, there are now some aspects to the dossier that ring true. This sub makes sure to let it be known when leakers or whistleblowers go into hiding to spread awareness, yet for this guy no one seems to care. It's almost as if the sub does not want to confront a corrupt Trump and would rather brush it aside.

That is my two cents on the issue

It's a good take. I'm open to a Russian conspiracy. The Big shoes to drop there that haven't though yet are a lifting of sanctions and a pay off to Trump either in the future or in the Cayman islands stake already purchased in Rosneft. Neither has happened yet so we wait. I think we can say for sure that whether Yates acted out of patriotism or something else, her warning went unheeded, but her warning getting leaked did the trick. So this is just one more big win for leaking. Expect to see a lot more of it after today

The entire mainstream media is investigating his Russia ties. The FBI cleared him and Flynn (which could be a conspiracy in and of itself).

I'd rather be pushing to investigate pizzagate since everyone outside this sub is investigating Russia.

The fact that so many people are searching for Russia ties and not a single substantial piece of evidence exists says a lot.

Well I think the evidence that exists are through trump's appointments and then resigning over their Russian ties. I'm not trying to discredit pizzagate with saying we need to keep looking at this, I just think they both deserve their discussions without bashing the others.

I'm sure you'd tell me the Hillary tweet is a "substantial piece of evidence" in regards to pizzagate, meanwhile nothing that's come out about Trump's ties to Russia is worth a mention. Got it.

I would not say

It does not add to the conversation to categorically assume what others think. It damages the conversation to tell people what they think. If you rsally care, you'll find a less emotional form of discourse.

Honest question.

Is there any evidence that directly links trump to Russia? I have just heard that he is in cahoots by association really. Like, any specific business dealings that trump has in Russia? Any trips he's made there or met with anyone?

I know the dossier seems to be a big lead now but why add in the golden shower bit?

Even for the pedogate stuff, I feel there are many more things that prove its validity compared to Russia.

Basically, we only see trump opposition saying he has ties with Russia, but where are the independent sources backing up these claims? No Wikileaks about this? No other neutral sources backing this up?

Nothing at all.

The links between omet-cay izza-pay and the HRC campaign are clear and irrefutable

I would say that no, there are no direct links between Trump and Russia.

What is more funny, is that Trump has consistently ousted Russian links.

Paul Manafort worked on campaigns for Reagan, Dole, and Bush. He was an excellent pick for Campaign manager. A month later and Russian connection rumors came up (Plus rumors that Trump flat out was not liking Manaforts control of the campaign), Trumped ousted him.

Mike Flynn just got ousted for a phone call which, according to them was totally legal, and he was fired for breach of trust.

Carter Page, I don't know much about about that situation, but in the end ties were cut there too.

For being a Russian Puppet, Trump seems to excel at dropping these guys with any Russian association with the quickness...

Anyway. We are in a new era of McCarthyism.

Russia with their coup of Ukraine

This part stands out to me. You are clearly intelligent and have read a lot, but unfortunately most of what you're basing on is globalist propaganda.

Soros and Co. staged the Yellow Revolution in Ukraine, kicked out the government, and installed a pro-globalist government. Russia was alarmed, as was Crimea, which is ethnically Russian, not Ukrainian. Russia annexed their own people back after the government underwent a coup and became anti-Russian.

Russia is not the boogey man, the globalists staging color revolutions are the bad guys. Crimean citizens wanted to return to Russia after the Ukrainian yellow revolution coup. The media is determined to tell us that Trump is a Russian puppet because the Russians are the force of anti-globalism. They'll also tell you he's a Bannon/Israeli puppet, if you're more likely to believe that.

Check Wikipedia, check Wikileaks, look into Crimea and the Ukrainian revolution from non-US mainstream sources. You will get a much different picture. Good luck, I hope this gets you started.

You might want to look at this picture and ask who bought all those matching orange flags for all those Ukrainians. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Morning_first_day_of_Orange_Revolution.jpg/275px-Morning_first_day_of_Orange_Revolution.jpg

I'll try to find the picture of the same matching purple flags at a Hillary post election rally, but you probably remember how she keeps wearing purple after her loss.

This isn't the whole story though. Crimea is of vital naval strategic importance to Russia. They were taking it one way or another. Russia's fight against the globalists is noble, but they also have their own agenda.

True, this was a strategic move. It is core to their fight against globalists, though. It was only following the globalist led Ukraine revolution that they seized Crimea.

It was CIA/Deep State. They are trying to oust all of the Trump loyalists and isolate him. It's pretty obvious.

Do you think that an impeachment in 2017 is likely?

No I do not. I think Trump is going to win control. If the establishment/Deep State win they'll do to Trump what they did to Reagan, show him that they can kill him any time they want if he doesn't implement their agenda.

Or what happened to JFK..

If they were going to kill him they would have done it already. It's a last resort. If Trump dies, then it's civil war and the 50% of the nation that are loyal to Trump are all the conservatives/patriots who are armed to the teeth and have been preparing for this for years.

If they were going to kill him they would have done it already. It's a last resort.

think about that for a second..

What 50%?

You notice how this completely buries Tulsi Gabbard's comments from yesterday about the US arming ISIS creating the entire Syrian Debacle? I noticed.

Yep. If Assad is able to retain power and end the war, CIA is screwed. Assad is going to be out for vengeance and will start dropping truthbombs on everyone. Everyone will find out it was CIA/CF/Mossad behind the "moderate" rebels aka terrorists in Syria. CIA would be completely re-structered or even dismantled.

Your last sentence is exactly why it won't happen tho.. The CIA value that power too highly. We've seen it time and time again.

CIA would be completely re-structered or even dismantled.

Nope, it wouldn't surprise anyone if the CIA was arming and funding jihadists, things would just stay the same.

Would be crazy if trump hired her to fill in flynns place

One can hope. I doubt she could hold cabinet and Congressional seat simultaneously. But I don't know.

I watched that yesterday and was hoping that by today it will be spread out like crazy.

Well nope, now everybody's talking about Flynn, damn it.

CIA revenge for Flynn ordering investigations into CIA drug running activities with Venezuela. He just issued sanctions against Venezuela and named the Venezuelan VP Aissami a drug kingpin. Then the CIA denied security clearance for Flynn's NSC Deputy Townley who was ordered to investigate CIA ties effectively removing him from the NSC and ending his investigation.

Anyone who endangers the War on Terror supply chain is an enemy of its profiteers

Syria war has nothing to do with terrorism, it's about a natural gas pipeline. Right now Russia supplies almost all of Europe's natural gas. With the Qatar-Bulgaria pipeline, they could completely cut Russia out of the European natural gas market. It would cripple the Russian economy. Thus why they need to get rid of Assad, he refuses the pipeline because he is allied to Russia.

Tell that to the countries where refugees are flowing to. Two birds with one stone I think.

Yea you're right, describes it well. Primary goal was the pipeline though. Muslim "refugees" are a dime a dozen, they can destablize a middle eastern country pretty much at will.

I agree, just wanted to mention the one stone aspect. I am aware of that pipeline. It is an extremely strategic way to weaken Russia. (Not to mention illegal and against humanity - all the killing.)

We have really crossed that destabilization line. it is too bad that Trump, or someone trying to pull the reigns back and repair America, couldn't have come along when Obama promised all that stuff and just went on his Nobel Peace Prize Killing Rampage. My how language sedates people.

Yea Obama was quite the snake charmer. I guess it doesn't hurt when you have the entire MSM and globalist system covering up the intentional destruction he was doing to the country and treating him like a modern-day Jesus.

I agree with your take on the pipeline, but Syria is a key in the War on Terror ($$$$). It's where you find the greatest concentration of extremists in the world. Use of US drones in other theaters creates new radicals (who end up in places like Libya and Syria). In addition to providing the targets/allies in a given area, they also create supply chains for human, drug, and organ trafficking. Anybody that stops the flow of these "goods" is an enemy of the War on Terror.

it can be both

I think they are trying to push Trump to the establishment RNC and away from the populist side, because the populist side has a "chance" of actually changing things.

Agreed. Trump is just so stubborn though, and I think he really is a true patriot. He may just force the to make him into a martyr.

Finally, a rational post about this.

I wanted him out, because I believe he was conspiring with Russia against the interests of the United States.

I think he was compromised, and that he may have been blackmailed or was even taking bribes. He behavior doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

What do you mean "against the interests of the US?" Do you really think Flynn was against the US?

It's hardly outlandish. Lots of people make careers out of fleecing the US people out of taxpayer dollars in service of foreign interests.

Manafort (former Trump advisor who officially resigned while continuing to live in Trump tower in close contact) made a career out of that kind of stuff. His lobbying firm took money from foreign governments (if you look at their history, all corrupt authoritarians), and then tried to convince congress to support those groups.

Flynn's actions support the notion that he was secretly colluding with Russia behind the backs of not only the government, but his own political allies in the Trump administration.

I asked a pretty specific question, and all I got in return was that people in power abuse their power. So, I'll conclude that you have no reason to think that Flynn had bad intentions. Could it not be, in fact, could it be more reasonable that Flynn did have the US's best interests when he was communicating with a Russian ambassador? It seems that you have the mindset of Russia=Bad so that anyone who talks to a Russian has evil Putin plans.

Seems to me that this is a huge non-issue, and that this is just a furthering of the Evil Putin/ Trump is a Russian Manchurian Candidate conspiracy that has been promoted by the Left and mainstream media.

I thought you might have some reason to believe that Flynn had legitimate anti-US interests. You don't. I do not want to make this a discussion of Democrats vs Republicans.

If that were true, he woudln't have lied.

Dude. I brought up Democrats because they are the ones pushing the best friends with Putin narrative, it had context to this issue.

We don't even know what the conversations were about. Somebody does though since it was recorded, and since that recording hasn't mentioned anything nefarious, or anti US, I'm going to assume that it doesn't contain it. Also because I don't have the unfounded, biased opinion that Flynn is evil. Your argument is tainted with your partisanship.

The democrats are pushing the narrative because it's true and politically damaging to their opponents.

However, talking about things that the democrats are pushing does not make this about them.

The democrats are pushing the narrative because it's a plausible accusation that, if accepted, is extremely politically damaging to their opponents.

That does not mean that they are involved in this discussion you and I are having.

You are the one who is trying to turn this into a Democrats vs Republicans discussion, and you are apparently only doing that so you can dismiss my opinion as partisan.

We don't know what he talked about, but he changed his story and that means he was lying. That means he had motivation to lie, which indicates he did something wrong. The only thing he could have done wrong is betray his country for personal gain.

True. He lied to Pence. But maybe not because of WHAT he discussed, but probably just the fact that he did talk about something, when he shouldn't have yet. If he just would have waited a little while, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. So, maybe he was a little too eager. The fact that the mainstream media isn't focusing on WHAT was discussed, bet WHEN, is pretty telling.

The mainstream media doesn't know what was discussed, they can only speculated what was worth talking about at the time he called them, so the when is important.

Telling of what?

We don't know what he talked about. When he talked to them is the basis of his lie, and it's also the foundation of speculation because we can look at what topics were most important to Russia at the time.

When he spoke, and that he lied, are the basis for the suspicion here. And as likely as it seems to me that he was taking payments or worried about blackmail, I recognize that it wouldn't be great journalism to publicly speculate on that.

Since there's no recordings, what he discussed is material for government propaganda, tabloids, and conspiracy forums.

We, you and I, don't know what was discussed, but there are people that do. And the fact that that isn't what is being outraged about, is telling to me that there is nothing in the context to be outraged about. Is it suspicious? Sure. And if you're of the mindset that Flynn is dangerous and Anti-US because he's a Trump nominee, like you, then I suppose it is more than suspicious. I wasn't trying to bring partisanship into this. That's why I asked you WHY you felt that Flynn was Anti-US. You didn't have an answer, so I assumed it was solely because he was a Trump nominee and Trump is a nazi rhetoric, that the left is crying about.

Not that it matters, but I voted for Gary Johnson and I view both parties as equally guilty of ruining this country. It is in both parties interest to keep the country divided.

Dude. Guys. There's been a conspiracy going around for the past several years that there is a 100+ nation alliance working together to defeat the globalist cabal that is full of psychopaths and pedophiles. For a while now, it was believed that Russia and positive factions in our own military were spearheading this alliance against the cabal. That's why so many people on conspiracy had soooomeeee hope for the Trump Administration, because these positive military factions apparently supported him. Now, this whole Michael Flynn thing actually could be the cabal winning this battle (but they haven't won the war). And to think Hillary just retweeted something about Flynn and Comet Pizza. Its as if they are now rubbing it in our faces saying, "Haha! Beat you this time, conspiracy fuckers!" Or perhaps we are all wrong, and Trump really is the next Hitler, and Russia has been working through him to "undermine" the U.S. (just like the mainstream, normie news wants us to think).

here's what I wrote in the /r/all thread, but many people didn't see it because it got downvoted to -10 minutes after posting (before the thread even hit /r/all):

my theory:

  • Flynn told Russia "look, Obama is going to be a dick and a half to you for the last few weeks of his Presidency, but don't worry, things'll be different once we get in office, promise; unlike Some People, we don't actually want to go to war with you, lol"
  • media calls Flynn out for having "negotiated with" Russia before Trump was inaugurated, while Flynn was still a private citizen (technically illegal)
    • this fits right into their "Trump is a Manchurian Candidate for Putin and Russia"/"Red Scare 2.0"/"Russia has blackmail on Trump involving pee"/"Russia 'hacked' 'the election'" schizophrenic, desperate narrative
  • Flynn, a true patriot, takes the fall for the whole thing, and recuses himself from his position
    • this helps Trump out in the long run because now Trump has definitively, literally "taken action" against "possible Russian collusion in the White House"
  • Twitter and other anti-Trump spaces are too busy gloating over this "victory", not seeing that Trump "gained ground" here
    • future "Trump/Russia collusion" subnarratives are going to be harder to sell after this, without explaining the whole Flynn thing somehow—if Trump is really Secretly Controlled By Putin, and Flynn was Fraternizing With The Russians Before The Inauguration, then why did Flynn resign, instead of continuing to collude with Russia to transform the United States into a neo-Nazi white nationalist racist sexist homophobic transphobic Islamophobic patriarchal utopia?

would be happy to be proven wrong with sources!

nobody proved any of it wrong, I was just told my theory was wrong and I was "delusional".

after looking into things more, I also see the possibility of this at least partially being a political play by the Trump team to sniff out the moles in their ranks. Trump's latest tweet seems to corroborate this.

I don't know if this helps Trump move on from the Russia narrative, the media smell blood in the water now. The Russians would have been smarter to trust in better relations to come and not reach out to Flynn. Obama deserves credit for setting this all up, and the media deserves credit for managing to move this Russian narrative forward, when it seemed ridiculous to everyone including libs when Robby Mook first floated it after the DNCleaks

well at least the narrative has flipped back around and we're back on Russia again, so Trump is temporarily Maybe Not Hitler. which is good, because I was getting really sick of that meme (it'll be back though, as soon as the Russia subnarrative loses steam again)

I agree on some parts. The Russian connection is tough to pull together coherently while making Trump to seem like he's 100% a Manchurian Candidate. I think it's an empty conspiracy for now.

However, I do not think Trump gained any ground nor can this be spun as a positive for Flynn or any member of the administration. The problem is timing. It's been two months since the December leak about Flynn's phone call and the intended loosening on sanctions with Russia. The press and D.C. have been discussing this for a while. Axing Flynn or letting him fall on a sacrificial sword for the administration just makes the whole situation look really, really bad when it's a delayed response to an ignored controversy. No one is feeling sorry for Flynn being a "true patriot" about that phone call, which he shouldn't have had in the first place nor lied to Pence about knowing the details.

The timing thing, and really only that, falls on Trump's lap. Why didn't Flynn get axed sooner to clean up the Russian conspiracy angle besides the White House's innate stubbornness? The intelligence leak confirming the Flynn phone call didn't change anything besides confirming what we already knew. It's just an awkward mess now that the press gets to captilize on. It's not a victory for either side and only serves to spread doubt on other administration members who also have their own ignored controversy with delayed responses hanging over their heads e.g. Tillerson, Sessions.

Flynn, a true patriot, takes the fall for the whole thing, and recuses himself from his position

Twitter and other anti-Trump spaces are too busy gloating over this "victory", not seeing that Trump "gained ground" here

Gee, I wonder why it was downvoted.

Who wanted Flynn out?

Everybody except Donald

Why?

Because he is a corrupt lying fuck

American patriots wanted the traitor out. It will not stop there. So hold on to your pizza boxes- then we will clean out the mods on this sub- pro government sheep.

Not sure why you are willing to ignore the facts here...but it does not matter what you believe, or what you distract yourself from. This is getting big. The biggest conspiracy EVER in our life times. And you try to excuse it away like you were paid by the government...hmm.

You're referring to the theory that the Trump administration is in the pocket of the Kremlin?

lots of threats on the mods of this sub today...you're planning a reddit coup?

There needs to be.

Make Conspiracy Sub Great Again?

At least make this an open place for discussion - not promote or downvote based on the side it represents.

so you're blaming the mods for a bunch of users here believing that Trump will expose many of the conspiracies we've been talking about for decades. you don't care that Trump has been vocal about how 9/11 was controlled demolition or that he thinks pedos are rampant and should be executed. you don't care that there might be a reason that users here haven't written him off yet as more of the same bullshit, it must be the mods who aren't creating a safe space for you?

No it is the mods tagging and labeling post as part of being a upvote brigade. If it is anti Trump it is attacked.

I know that Trump shares a lot of the conspiracies as many people here. But you can not ignore what is happening. This is a huge deal. It does not matter what side you believe.

These are the options: Trump is a traitor. Trump was played by traitors. Trump is being blackballed and a coup is trying to remove him.

There are no other options available. Why are we not discussing those items? Instead we are chasing triangles and decoding emails that is all up to conjecture.

DO I believe there is some major pedo ring going on? I would be blind if I did not see the evidence. The rings being round up and arrested - there is something to that.

But my country has been compromised and more and more is coming to the surface to show that. He may be on a white horse but who got him that horse?

you've never posted anything here, so i would stop bitching about not seeing the type of posts you want to see. it certainly isn't the mods fault

Really? Hmmm that is weird I always thought I was frequent here...must be my imagination.

I took a break from posting week ago because of how diluted this site is with political shills.

But you do not seem to have a full grasp of reality anyhow.

you might come to comment and bitch about how the sub isn't a safe place for special snowflakes like you, but you have never posted anything here

I take it I have made sense to you since you are attacking my integrity.

Non-the less, we shall wait and see about the next Revelation - then we shall discuss that one.

i'm attacking your integrity because you apparently don't have any. want better content? try submitting something yourself instead of whining about the mods and the sub

Rule 10.

one of the possible FBI anons claimed that the Russia hacking narrative was part of Trump's master plan, i wonder how Flynn fits into the picture, as i am hearing is that he was a staunch democrat and only appointed to appease a few

Here is what I don't understand. First, let's assume the following is true:

A) The DNC leaks were insider leaks and not a Russian hack

B) The Podesta leaks were a result of a fishing campaign that was not Russian sponsored

C) The Steele Dossier was based on unverified claims

D) The Democratic party and the MSM blitz-pumped the Russian narrative (both hacking and dossier) as a smear campaign post-election

E) Part of the smear campaign was to increase sanctions as a result of hacking (that for the purpose of this argument, we are assuming is not true)

F) Steele and Russia both know the above is true so they had a conversation to the extent of OPs post

So, assuming that the Trump admin and supporters would be comfortable in the above being true, why on earth would:

1) Flynn lie to Pence about it

2) The Trump admin not make the above rationalization public long ago

3) Why resign given the above rationalization

I assume you meant "Flynn" to begun "F)"

Three good questions. I'd say, 1) the call was so innocuous it genuinely didn't seem like an in depth discussion of sanctions to Flynn, ie he really didn't recall

2) The Trump administration has been adamant on all points A-D

3) Pence said something that was technically not correct, can't leave him hanging like that. Trump has Flynns phone number, he can pick his brain any time, no big loss to let him go as long as a globalist doesn't get the job

It has been said that Flynn was merely "moved" to an intelligence agency called the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) and that they requested that, henceforth, Russia route any national security matters through the INR and not the NSC. So Flynn is still active, just not publicly the National Security Advisor.

The CIA, because he blew the whistle on the government funding ISIS

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/why-the-cia-wants-to-destroy-flynn/

18,000D chess lol

Dude, they want war with Syria and Russia.

They don't like Trump.

It embarrasses the administration and continues the fervor that has started. It removes a person who was very anti-war with Syria.

The American war machine rolls on towards world destruction with this move.

Yeah had Hillary been elected all you'd be hearing on the news every night right now is how terrible Assad was and how we need to invade.

This is exactly what would be happening. She'd probably already have boots on the ground behind our backs though, Special Forces and the Clinton Foundation private army. If they don't get rid of Assad, they're all screwed.

yup

Pence because he made him lie.

You have a camp in the US government, and it's branches that want to work with Russia and possibly China too, and then you have a camp that wants a hard line against Russia and China. And those that want this hard line against Russia to accuse those that want to work with Russia as being "controlled" or 'bought' or 'blackmailed,' a bunch of BS. What we're seeing is a lot of people believe that BS and adopting whatever US foreign policy some are advocating. It's masked behind support for this or that candidate, like Hillary for example. She was anti-Russia or anti-Putin, and her followers are also anti-Putin because she was. And you have these fake stories to get people behind her foreign policy, ("DNC hacked" etc.), and many followers go along clueless as to what the hell is going on. I'm not pro-Trump or Pro-Hillary. It's all one big circus.

Do you really not know how he broke the law?

Well, Hillary seemed to imply that it had something to do with his belief in pizzagate. Check her twitter

Great reminder to be on the look out for comments like this that are clearly copypastashillbotcracksmokers.com

What do you mean "against the interests of the US?" Do you really think Flynn was against the US?