Nice to see 14 day old accounts that know the sub so well!

Isn't it possible pizzagate is real AND Trump is a Russian puppet?

Why are you so eager to dismiss Russian allegations against the president?

Because we aren't paid not to, unlike you. I wonder what the sentences for covering up for pedophiles?

Lol you're saying HE's paid? Buddy, you may have it flipped...

Mentioning the age of accounts is a common shill tactic.

Why are you so eager to dismiss Russian allegations against the president?

Because every article that comes out with a headline like "Trump is working with Russia" will have a mention somewhere in the content that it hasn't been corroborated.

There isn't any proof. Clickbait titles and claims are not proof.

You don't find the confluence of allegations turning out to be true and the corroborated parts of the dossier to be intriguing in the least?

Interesting world view.

Yea even NBC this morning has a headline the whole segment (90-120 seconds): BREAKING - RUSSIAN CONNECTION. Yet said at the end "NBC hasn't confirmed this"!!!!

And even then, they are still tying Russian narrative to the "hacks of the DNC". So "people" believe this narrative and are "outraged"(or paid to be) but aren't bothered by the content of the said DNC hacks lol too funny...

Yes but Trump just called this whole thing a conspiracy. So it's basically in our name.

What was your username?

Awww... You got caught in a lie and now you attack him for trying to see if you actually used to post on here under your "old account". Classic.

*Veil, comrade.

You don't need to be a member of shit to read for years. ....

It is a scary time. It's like a mosh pit: chaos everywhere, but if you stay on your feet and are aware of your surroundings, you'll probably be just fine.

Just read everything but don't take it for granted. It's useful to read what the enemy is trying to convince you of, just keep reading but stay focused on other things in your life that make you happy

The tides are turning. They are desperate.

liberals can be into conspiracies too, i cant speak for all liberals, but i think part of what makes pizza gate unconvincing for me and maybe for other liberals, is that im not put off by "creepy" art , im curious how you feel about this video from adult swim, its called unedited footage of a bear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gMjJNGg9Z8

to me thats art, its not comfortable, and kind of sureal. i guess it comes down to different value systems, the conservative leaning conspiracy theorists are usually religious, and have values and taste which reflect that, now i believe that there definitely are institutionalized elite pedophile networks , that part i believe cant be argued against, its been found in the u.k. , portugal, i just find spirit cooking and all the other 'weird' stuff underwhelming, and not evidence, it could turn out to be true, and ive never told anyone that they were stupid for believing in it, or that they should stop investigating though, so maybe im not the liberal leaning kind of person you were describing.

well ive listened to bill coopers audio book 'behold a pale horse', im open to it, but at the end of the day, even he was a super religious guy who had some truth to say, but also took that truth and filtered it through a religious persons world view

oh, and did you watch the video? seriously curious how you feel about it.

well im not arguing that there are no conspiracies, because there definitely are, im just saying that its not(or it shouldnt be) a partisan kind of thing... to me the biggest conspiracy is the institutionalized corruption and money in our government, powerful people with money who are more equal than the rest of us, and act in their interest, and our lack of a true voice.. every other conspiracy is enabled by this one... racism, military industrial complex, fake news, our involvement in other countries... but like i said, what i consider to be the most pressing conspiracy is colored by my worldview

you have a good point, it could definitely be a silencing tool.. and like i said, theres no doubt in my mind that that sort of things does go in, my problem is with the arguments about maria ambrovich and the like.. that they are 'obviously satanic' i dont think thats the case(but like i said, im not religious..and my world view is filtered through that mindset. i like philosophy, which i think serves the same purpose but without all the bagage of organized religion) i guess my problem is with how some of the posts about pizzagate define creepy. who gets to define what is creepy and not... theres better evidence than that

This is a really insightful comment.

I remember a series of threads that featured various comedians do "The Aristocrats" gag every thread demonising the very idea that joking about such sick stuff is acceptable. Obviously The Aristocrats is world famous and popular with millions.

Really highlights a divide I often forget.

Sorry to double post you but in particular the Podesta art came up in a discussion I had earlier today, I learned about the art in question and it's actually quite interesting and I can absolutely understand why someone might want to own it.

Biljana Djurdjevic

She grew up during the war in Serbia and her work reflects that horror in an expressive way. Indeed her style forces the viewer to become the abuser of the subject of her paintings. They're really quite powerful.

In her paintings, Biljana Djurdjevic refers to the victims of contemporary culture. Her portrait-like sketches are often completed in light color. The structured patterns of wallpaper or flagging refer to public environments like hotel rooms, shower rooms, or locker rooms. Even though they are dressed, the pale skin of the painted figures dominates the composition. The figures appear like the nudes in Lucien Freud’s paintings. The pure flesh becomes the target for injuries and violence. 

The figure’s gaze directed at the viewer expresses desperation and fear. Fear of the approaching viewer who himself becomes the offender in front of Biljana Djurdjevic’s figurative paintings. Fighting dogs as well as clubs and even the cross are symbols used to indicate violence and torture, which become metaphors for all wars and distress. 

Biljana Djurdjevic controls the view of the observer by limiting the spatial representation of the crime scene to the size of the figures. The desperate victims can no longer be abandoned to their fate. 

In perfect adhesion to the tradition of her country of origin, Biljana Djurdjevic relates the myths of our time using the language of the manifesto and of socialistic propaganda. 

http://www.c-collection.org/index.php?show=161&A=16#

It's quite challenging art and I can certainly understand why someone might like them.

Well, that escalated quickly.

By your measure of evidence Trump should be King of the Pepperoni on the sub.

His art doesn't suggest that and I can't believe you're clinging to it in this comment chain which is otherwise quite interesting.

definitely, people define art in many different ways, and even though art is subjective, i think one of its most important characteristics is that it moves you emotionally, that it communicates a feeling or idea, or state of mind , even that definition is vague... but thats the problem with trying to decide what art is and isnt, kind of like the aristocrats joke, id never heard that joke before, but just checked out the wiki page on it, seems like its social commentary, louis ck is another guy that can get away with joking about really taboo things, id call what he does art.. or atleast hes artful in his execution. i guess the best description of art, is that its in the eye of the beholder... as cheesy as that sounds.

Absolutely, I just think expression should be boundless and unajudicated. I don't fear something that is disturbing, I have to put up with Bieber as it is.

lol, there is this poem i really like by D.H. Lawrence that goes

Censors are dead men setup to judge between life and death

for no live sunny man would be a censor, he'd just laugh

but censors, being dead men, have a stern eye on life

that things alive, its dangerouse, make away with it

quoting that poem from the top of my head, so i might of gotten some of that wrong

That's wonderful!

I came across another while looking yours up:

The tiny fish enjoy themselves
in the sea.
Quick little splinters of life,
their little lives are fun to them
in the sea.

i seriously love that man(D.H. Lawrence) i forgot how i found his book, it was just some old book that i found somewhere with his poetry and thoughts, like i didnt buy it, and it wasnt given to me, it just fell into my life... theres another one that i cant remember completely , it goes something like.

the reining desire in all , of decent men today is for some more natural

more decent social arangement, wherein a man can live his life

without being a slave to earning his living and getting on

PIZZAGATE PIZZAGATE PIZZAGATE

There are more than one scandal in DC. Get over it.