You should really make amends then and give the native Americans back their land. I await to hear how you fare living in the street after you've handed over the keys to your home. Let us know!
Unless you're a Native American, your parents immigrated here at some point. Maybe it was with the Pilgrims, maybe in the 1700s, maybe the 1800s, maybe later, but you're descended from immigrants.
You are right of course, things should generally be based on some aspect of your person you didn't get to choose, where you were born, rather than something you did choose, moving to a place you believe in.
If you see someone with a birth defect, you should never help them, that would be overcoming that thing which they had no choice about.
Well when you're ready to pick rocks out of a potato conveyor belt for 14 hours a day in the fall, then clean up shitty bathrooms the rest of the year, you let that immigrant know it's time to go.
This argument is not relevant. Native Americans did not have an economy or comprehensive social services paid for by the citizens of the land. If people came to the "new world" back then, there was no support system to milk, nor was there a labor force to overburden and drive down the wages.
Its like comparing the complexity of an entire human body to an amoeba.
And the "you're and immigrant" fallacy is just a bad as a comparison. Immigrants needed financial sponsorship before being considered for citizenship (or even setting foot here) up until i think the 70s.
If you didn't find work and start earning, and your sponsor couldn't support you, you were deported and you temporary citizenship was revoked.
Yeah, but they had all the free buffalo that you wanted. 'Cept those Euro folks couldn't stand people living free, so they killed all those mega herds. Now we have to work and assholes try to further enslave us with paperwork.
Maybe, but does every civilization deserve to last forever? I think there will always been a cycle to things and there's no evil when another civilization is shifted to another nor for the former to fight against the process.
Hopefully his value is higher than an immigrants'. Considering OP is likely a middle class American, I think it's very likely that he speaks English and is pretty high functioning in society, he probably pays IN to social services, as well as 25% of all of his earnings. If he can't provide more value than a brand spanking new immigrant he should carefully consider his usefulness in society.
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n/a aleister 2017-02-17
I don't think this will be well received.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-02-17
I'm sure the native Americans will agree with you. When did your family immigrate here?
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
May Flower.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-02-17
so a long time immigrant?
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
I was born here fuck tard.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-02-17
so you came from under a rock? I hate to tell you this but your parents, grandparents etc immigrated here.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
nope.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
You are a bit slow today. This land was Native Indian land before some illegal immigrants came by and took charge.
n/a bobluvsbananas 2017-02-17
You should really make amends then and give the native Americans back their land. I await to hear how you fare living in the street after you've handed over the keys to your home. Let us know!
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
I think a good start would be to let them keep their reservations. But with the recent North Dakota talks, guess they don't have that right.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-02-17
are they one of the too many of them?
n/a justaponyfan 2017-02-17
Unless you're a Native American, your parents immigrated here at some point. Maybe it was with the Pilgrims, maybe in the 1700s, maybe the 1800s, maybe later, but you're descended from immigrants.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Jesus. our educational system is in shambles if you believe that nonsense.
n/a justaponyfan 2017-02-17
So you believe white/black/Asian people have always lived in America?
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
No matter how hard you try being born in America does not make you an immigrant you dumb fuck.
n/a hglman 2017-02-17
You are right of course, things should generally be based on some aspect of your person you didn't get to choose, where you were born, rather than something you did choose, moving to a place you believe in.
If you see someone with a birth defect, you should never help them, that would be overcoming that thing which they had no choice about.
n/a gaums 2017-02-17
Anchor baby, I see.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Keep trying moron.
n/a gaums 2017-02-17
The only reason you're here is because your mom opened her legs.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
That's the only reason any of us our here. lol
n/a gaums 2017-02-17
http://i.imgur.com/s2RefQL.png
Well, fuck.
n/a B12awley 2017-02-17
Made immigration cool before it was a thing
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
They were hated as well. Point is immigrants are flooding the country. Legal or not. Fuck 'em all.
n/a B12awley 2017-02-17
Well when you're ready to pick rocks out of a potato conveyor belt for 14 hours a day in the fall, then clean up shitty bathrooms the rest of the year, you let that immigrant know it's time to go.
n/a elcad 2017-02-17
Those fuckers stole my Colts.
n/a pepe_silvia67 2017-02-17
This argument is not relevant. Native Americans did not have an economy or comprehensive social services paid for by the citizens of the land. If people came to the "new world" back then, there was no support system to milk, nor was there a labor force to overburden and drive down the wages.
Its like comparing the complexity of an entire human body to an amoeba.
And the "you're and immigrant" fallacy is just a bad as a comparison. Immigrants needed financial sponsorship before being considered for citizenship (or even setting foot here) up until i think the 70s.
If you didn't find work and start earning, and your sponsor couldn't support you, you were deported and you temporary citizenship was revoked.
n/a elcad 2017-02-17
Yeah, but they had all the free buffalo that you wanted. 'Cept those Euro folks couldn't stand people living free, so they killed all those mega herds. Now we have to work and assholes try to further enslave us with paperwork.
n/a Kyle6969 2017-02-17
The point was to realize their importance ya dingus
n/a casualjane 2017-02-17
If you're Native American, then I agree. If you're not, you're a dipshit.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
you're literally retarded.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
lol, don't get mad because she called you out for your shitty thread.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
You're a fuck tard too.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
Super quality conspiracy, dum dum!
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Soros is behind it no doubt. Seeing as all the sheep who run to its defense when I call it out. lol
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
I think people call it out because it's an embarrassing effort towards a conspiracy and you should not be as proud about it as you are.
n/a aleister 2017-02-17
Maybe, but does every civilization deserve to last forever? I think there will always been a cycle to things and there's no evil when another civilization is shifted to another nor for the former to fight against the process.
n/a casualjane 2017-02-17
Wtf are you saying? There is no evil in genocide?
This may be the most ignorant comment I've read all day. Impressive, considering the topics on here right now.
n/a justaponyfan 2017-02-17
Not conspiracy related.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
sure it is. this is some Soros bullshit. Like BLM.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
that's literally deep, man. We can tell you put a lot of thought into this.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
steel beams don't melt jelt ful
n/a subesue 2017-02-17
All i know was it was easier to drive around today.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Come to think of it, this was probably the most productive day at work today our team has experience in 2 years.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
You got lots of Subway sandwiches made today? Pat yourself on the back, newfriend!
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
We built lots of software today. Good software mind you, not that spaghetti immigrant crap.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
Sure you did. Sure you did.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
it was great actually can we make every day Day without Immigrants? I loved it
n/a 8toborrm 2017-02-17
Are you alleging that someone who prepares food is inherently of some sort of lower value than anyone else?
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
I am so glad you bit! OP is talking about his value being greater than immigrants, so I threw that out to see if he would bite.
And no, I do not feel sandwich makers are lower value. I worked as one, and feel everyone should for a bit to understand the struggle.
n/a bobluvsbananas 2017-02-17
I don't think you know how to properly troll...
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
It is true. I am not good at it.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Go back to sandwich making you slum dog.
n/a 8toborrm 2017-02-17
Hopefully his value is higher than an immigrants'. Considering OP is likely a middle class American, I think it's very likely that he speaks English and is pretty high functioning in society, he probably pays IN to social services, as well as 25% of all of his earnings. If he can't provide more value than a brand spanking new immigrant he should carefully consider his usefulness in society.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
I thought we were talking value as a person. Bummer.
n/a 8toborrm 2017-02-17
I thought we were talking about government
n/a Eitdgwlgo 2017-02-17
You built lots of software. In a day. Lol
n/a showmeurboobsplznthx 2017-02-17
I live in Hawaii and nothing happened here.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
I live in California. Nobody likes me because I'm not Asian or Indian or Mexican't.
n/a Edogawa1983 2017-02-17
they probably don't like you because you seem a bit racist..
we don't really tolent that shit in CA
n/a showmeurboobsplznthx 2017-02-17
My point was when you travel your prejudice will die. You will have to work hard to stay whether rich or poor.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Bullshit. there are dozens of us....dozens!
n/a CrimsonBarberry 2017-02-17
Trolls gonna' troll.
n/a Prof_Dankmemes 2017-02-17
No kidding. What's the conspiracy here? Is this a post or what? Fuckin A man
n/a Scotrp 2017-02-17
I live in California didn't notice any difference
n/a lord_haste 2017-02-17
Maybe 'cus most Californians already call in sick once a week anyways?
n/a casualjane 2017-02-17
Wtf are you saying? There is no evil in genocide?
This may be the most ignorant comment I've read all day. Impressive, considering the topics on here right now.
n/a jeffinRTP 2017-02-17
so you came from under a rock? I hate to tell you this but your parents, grandparents etc immigrated here.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-17
I think a good start would be to let them keep their reservations. But with the recent North Dakota talks, guess they don't have that right.
n/a agentf90 2017-02-17
Go back to sandwich making you slum dog.