so provoke it with facts. show us where we are wrong. If you want to discuss, discuss. and don't get mad at me pointing out your account age. Ive seen accounts that were just made that posted amazing posts supported by data and thought. What did you put into yours?
Here are some questions to ask yourselves in regards to FE:
When you look through a telescope at any of the other planets for long enough, why are you able to see them and their moons clearly as round, with a shadow cast as a ball has a shadow, right in front of your eyes?
How are you able to see their moons orbit them if they are not round?
How are you able to see Saturn's rings encircle its globe if it's not round?
How are you able to see their poles change angle toward you in three dimensions if not round?
How are you able to see the large planets like Jupiter and Saturn clearly spin about their axes if not round?
How are you able to see them pass behind the Sun if not orbiting it?
These are all things that you, personally, can go and look at plainly through common telescopes. So:
IF we can all at least agree that the OTHER planets and moons we look at are round, (since each of you can look at them yourselves and clearly see that they are with your own eyes), is it more likely or less likely that Earth would be an exception among all of them, and be the only planet that behaves differently?
Or does FE claim that Earth is not a planet, but something else entirely???
If the earth is flat, why is it that Euclidean Geometry does not work to obtain the shortest path over long distances (such as those traveled by airplanes)?
9a. To further that question, how can it be that a parabola actually produces the shorter route, if the surface is not curved? Why does only non-Euclidean geometry work for determining shortest travel distances over long paths? Are you claiming such is not the case?
Why must GPS satellites calculate positions based on a sphere in order to perform accurately?
What is Sunset on a flat earth? How could it occur geometrically and still explain how half of the earth is night and half day?
Please describe the ice wall that you're saying exists instead of the south pole. How high is it? Can one fly over it? When one does fly over it, does one fly off into space?
Are you then claiming that we can launch ourselves into space by flying perpendicular to the "earth's upward acceleration?" merely by flying off over this ice wall?
How far does the ice wall extend? Has anyone ever walked upon it? Is there evidence of that walk?
Has the FE ice wall ever been documented as observed in any way? Anything? Even one photo or report from the field somehow?
Please describe your competence in what lens distortion is and how it works, especially to varying degrees of severity.
Also then describe how it's possible that so many photos could be so SEVERELY distorted by a regular lens so as to make a flat object look round, with parts of it fully behind other parts of it and not exposed to the camera, while objects adjacent to it are hardly distorted at all.
Are you saying that literally ALL photographs ever taken of the earth have been faked or subject to extreme lens distortion?
If we are not accepting photographic evidence of RE, do you believe ANY photos of ANYthing whatsoever? Ever?
If you're willing to accept even one photo of anything ever at all (that you didn't take yourself), why are photos of the round earth excluded?
If we're not accepting photographs, please at least explain the most likely reason why there have been NONE of a flat earth, EVER, and ONLY photos of a round one.
How do seasons occur if we are not on a ball, axially tilted toward a central light and heat source?
Explain the phases of the moon, and what causes them, if not orbit and rotation.
Explain the tides, and what causes them, if not gravity and orbit.
If the earth is not round, and planets not round, then why is it that we must use calculations based on orbits of round objects in order to place satellites into space adequately?
Why is it that we can see those satellites orbit us with a common telescope, and how do they lose direct line of sight if not dropping behind the curve of a round earth?
Why is it that we must calculate based on those orbits and related signal loss to make our phones work?
If the earth is not round, and planets not round, then why have we had to use spherical/orbital calculations in order to successfully land rovers on other planets? Are you claiming that we have not done such?
If the earth is not round and gravity does not exist, then what keeps us from losing our atmosphere and ocean?
Are the seas supposedly contained by this ice wall?
Since the atmosphere would surely be above such ice wall, what prevents it from spilling off over the sides of the earth, into space, as the earth accelerates up toward the atmosphere?
If the earth is flat, then how is it that if I fly in any direction along a straight line from any point and don't stop, I will eventually return to exactly where I started from? Do you claim that this will not occur?
Astronauts have been to space and claimed to have looked at an unmistakably round earth. If you reject their photographic evidence, do you also claim they are lying or delusional about what they have seen??
I actually thought this was not a great effort. i would expect any half decent fe theorist could make a solid counter arguments.
Many of them are just poor points. Is it possibly astronauts lie? Um yes. Look at Neil and buzz At the press conference after the alleged moon landings.
Why doesn't the atmosphere current fall out to space?
dont ask me to support your theories. i am a round earther that doesnt see how anything would slip or spill into space. gravity keeps it all around us like a hug.
Several of the questions you claim are fantastic question ask the question why doesn't the atmosphere spill into space.
My counter question is what is the current answer on the convents globe earth model? Whatever the answer is; why would that be incomparable if the earth were flat
My counter question is , what is the current answer on the conventional globe earth model?
You don't have to deny gravity to a degree where you pretend to not know or having forgotten about it. That just makes you seem uneducated.
Whatever the answer is; why would that be incomparable if the earth were flat
Gravity always pulls matter to the center of mass. So a disc shaped world would simply collapse. If the earth was made out of indestructible materials that somehow can resist gravity, you would still have the problem that the further you get to the edge of the world, the more it would feel like walking upwards, as the gravity pulls everything to the discs center. You could even easily stand on pizza earths outer edge and walk along with it all the way around.
Serious question. Why don't we have actual footage or photos of the earth in whole? You indicate we can see the others spin. We can do pretty amazing things. Its just been suspect to me that there are no actual pics or vids of earth doing the stuff we say it does. Unless I'm completely off base and there are tons of these that I just haven't seen. I resisted even reading flat earth stuff until recently. There actually are some really good questions. And there are some simple things that would prove fe wrong but we dont have that. Just feels like something is off.
When you look through a telescope at any of the other planets for long enough, why are you able to see them and their moons clearly as round, with a shadow cast as a ball has a shadow, right in front of your eyes?
Telescopes are rigged.
How are you able to see their moons orbit them if they are not round?
Moons? All I see are weak lights. Or have you been there?
How are you able to see Saturn's rings encircle its globe if it's not round?
Irrelevant. There's no irrefutable proof that Saturn is a sphere.
How are you able to see their poles change angle toward you in three dimensions if not round?
They simply change colors.
I could do this all day. The way flat earthers like to discuss is to either ignore 99% of the points you make or simply calling everything by NASA etc. fake. There's really no point in discussing with them as I'm sure that almost all of them are trolls. A few of them are lost though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. Also another way it was put that is more fitting is the bigger the lie the more it will be beleived.
I didn't even make an argument. I'm not hear to answer questions, I wanted to see what people think about FE and I did. I didn't lose, you're just a butt hurt little bitch
43 comments
n/a BradDracV 2017-02-18
😂😂 stick to basketball.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
Thank you for the thread, 4 day old account. Fringe theory, no supporting data, not even trying.
n/a r13r 2017-02-18
What does my account age have to do with anything? Just trying to provoke some discussion because there are a lot of flat earth people on this sub.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
"a lot"
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
this was the first flat earth post Ive seen in a bit. I was starting to feel CTR gave up on the flat earth push.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
so provoke it with facts. show us where we are wrong. If you want to discuss, discuss. and don't get mad at me pointing out your account age. Ive seen accounts that were just made that posted amazing posts supported by data and thought. What did you put into yours?
n/a Fox_Nudes 2017-02-18
No, there aren't. This sub is for conspiracy discussion, not the pushing of CIA psy-op retardation.
n/a 6Dollarcoffee 2017-02-18
This thread is for pizzagate you mean.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
no.
n/a Skybluvalleykid 2017-02-18
I don't understand why they have to try to lump us all in this retardation. It's not even good food for thought.
FE is lame as hell.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
And yet you keep posting in this thread.
There is much evidence supporting fe theory.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
ah, the so much evidence i cant list them all theory.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
Try researching fe evidence. See if anything comes up
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
you get i am a round earther, why would i look up flat earth evidence?
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
Cause no doubt you are an open minded individual.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
ha! ive open and shut this case. stars above each pole prove the earth is round and rotating on that axis.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
Here are some questions to ask yourselves in regards to FE:
When you look through a telescope at any of the other planets for long enough, why are you able to see them and their moons clearly as round, with a shadow cast as a ball has a shadow, right in front of your eyes?
How are you able to see their moons orbit them if they are not round?
How are you able to see Saturn's rings encircle its globe if it's not round?
How are you able to see their poles change angle toward you in three dimensions if not round?
How are you able to see the large planets like Jupiter and Saturn clearly spin about their axes if not round?
How are you able to see them pass behind the Sun if not orbiting it?
These are all things that you, personally, can go and look at plainly through common telescopes. So:
IF we can all at least agree that the OTHER planets and moons we look at are round, (since each of you can look at them yourselves and clearly see that they are with your own eyes), is it more likely or less likely that Earth would be an exception among all of them, and be the only planet that behaves differently?
Or does FE claim that Earth is not a planet, but something else entirely???
If the earth is flat, why is it that Euclidean Geometry does not work to obtain the shortest path over long distances (such as those traveled by airplanes)?
9a. To further that question, how can it be that a parabola actually produces the shorter route, if the surface is not curved? Why does only non-Euclidean geometry work for determining shortest travel distances over long paths? Are you claiming such is not the case?
Why must GPS satellites calculate positions based on a sphere in order to perform accurately?
What is Sunset on a flat earth? How could it occur geometrically and still explain how half of the earth is night and half day?
Please describe the ice wall that you're saying exists instead of the south pole. How high is it? Can one fly over it? When one does fly over it, does one fly off into space?
Are you then claiming that we can launch ourselves into space by flying perpendicular to the "earth's upward acceleration?" merely by flying off over this ice wall?
How far does the ice wall extend? Has anyone ever walked upon it? Is there evidence of that walk?
Has the FE ice wall ever been documented as observed in any way? Anything? Even one photo or report from the field somehow?
Please describe your competence in what lens distortion is and how it works, especially to varying degrees of severity.
Also then describe how it's possible that so many photos could be so SEVERELY distorted by a regular lens so as to make a flat object look round, with parts of it fully behind other parts of it and not exposed to the camera, while objects adjacent to it are hardly distorted at all.
Are you saying that literally ALL photographs ever taken of the earth have been faked or subject to extreme lens distortion?
If we are not accepting photographic evidence of RE, do you believe ANY photos of ANYthing whatsoever? Ever?
If you're willing to accept even one photo of anything ever at all (that you didn't take yourself), why are photos of the round earth excluded?
If we're not accepting photographs, please at least explain the most likely reason why there have been NONE of a flat earth, EVER, and ONLY photos of a round one.
How do seasons occur if we are not on a ball, axially tilted toward a central light and heat source?
Explain the phases of the moon, and what causes them, if not orbit and rotation.
Explain the tides, and what causes them, if not gravity and orbit.
If the earth is not round, and planets not round, then why is it that we must use calculations based on orbits of round objects in order to place satellites into space adequately?
Why is it that we can see those satellites orbit us with a common telescope, and how do they lose direct line of sight if not dropping behind the curve of a round earth?
Why is it that we must calculate based on those orbits and related signal loss to make our phones work?
If the earth is not round, and planets not round, then why have we had to use spherical/orbital calculations in order to successfully land rovers on other planets? Are you claiming that we have not done such?
If the earth is not round and gravity does not exist, then what keeps us from losing our atmosphere and ocean?
Are the seas supposedly contained by this ice wall?
Since the atmosphere would surely be above such ice wall, what prevents it from spilling off over the sides of the earth, into space, as the earth accelerates up toward the atmosphere?
If the earth is flat, then how is it that if I fly in any direction along a straight line from any point and don't stop, I will eventually return to exactly where I started from? Do you claim that this will not occur?
Astronauts have been to space and claimed to have looked at an unmistakably round earth. If you reject their photographic evidence, do you also claim they are lying or delusional about what they have seen??
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
you just put forth about 10000x more effort into your reply than OP did in his OP. He won't read it, or reply with any effort.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
It's copy pasta from another redditor, hope he/she/it doesn't mind. I don't care if OP reads it, I post for the lurkers.
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
ah, nice. It is good info.
n/a escapedmentalpig 2017-02-18
Thanks
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
I actually thought this was not a great effort. i would expect any half decent fe theorist could make a solid counter arguments.
Many of them are just poor points. Is it possibly astronauts lie? Um yes. Look at Neil and buzz At the press conference after the alleged moon landings.
Why doesn't the atmosphere current fall out to space?
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
atmosphere might be held to the same gravity constraints we are?
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
But it only works on the globe earth model somehow and not possible of a flat earth ?
What's the difference. It regards to it "spilling" into space?
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
dont ask me to support your theories. i am a round earther that doesnt see how anything would slip or spill into space. gravity keeps it all around us like a hug.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
Several of the questions you claim are fantastic question ask the question why doesn't the atmosphere spill into space.
My counter question is what is the current answer on the convents globe earth model? Whatever the answer is; why would that be incomparable if the earth were flat
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
i didnt claim any questions. you got me mistaken for someone else.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
You said the original question were "great info"
n/a EricCarver 2017-02-18
yes i did
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
The mental gymnastics must be tiring.
n/a 435435435 2017-02-18
It's pretty straight forward.
The question is why doesn't It spill onto space on a fe
Why doesn't it spill into space on a globe.
I'm running out of ways to write it much more straight forward
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
Gravity
n/a theoccurrence 2017-02-18
My counter question is , what is the current answer on the conventional globe earth model?
You don't have to deny gravity to a degree where you pretend to not know or having forgotten about it. That just makes you seem uneducated.
Gravity always pulls matter to the center of mass. So a disc shaped world would simply collapse. If the earth was made out of indestructible materials that somehow can resist gravity, you would still have the problem that the further you get to the edge of the world, the more it would feel like walking upwards, as the gravity pulls everything to the discs center. You could even easily stand on pizza earths outer edge and walk along with it all the way around.
n/a iivelifesmiling 2017-02-18
I am pretty sure that you could just post a video of someone putting a phone camera on a helium balloon and recording the trip as it raise to the near space showing how round the world is.
n/a Itmustjustbeme 2017-02-18
Serious question. Why don't we have actual footage or photos of the earth in whole? You indicate we can see the others spin. We can do pretty amazing things. Its just been suspect to me that there are no actual pics or vids of earth doing the stuff we say it does. Unless I'm completely off base and there are tons of these that I just haven't seen. I resisted even reading flat earth stuff until recently. There actually are some really good questions. And there are some simple things that would prove fe wrong but we dont have that. Just feels like something is off.
n/a theoccurrence 2017-02-18
Telescopes are rigged.
Moons? All I see are weak lights. Or have you been there?
Irrelevant. There's no irrefutable proof that Saturn is a sphere.
They simply change colors.
I could do this all day. The way flat earthers like to discuss is to either ignore 99% of the points you make or simply calling everything by NASA etc. fake. There's really no point in discussing with them as I'm sure that almost all of them are trolls. A few of them are lost though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
n/a TheRightToBearArms 2017-02-18
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. Also another way it was put that is more fitting is the bigger the lie the more it will be beleived.
n/a Dragnar12 2017-02-18
ofcours its not a conspiracy itsa retarded fantasy
n/a tinylilzikababyhead 2017-02-18
A basketball player has all of the answers, according to OP.
n/a r13r 2017-02-18
I literally quoted him as food for thought, I disagree with him completely lol fuck off
n/a tinylilzikababyhead 2017-02-18
Same to you buddy for posting such drivel.
n/a Skybluvalleykid 2017-02-18
You posted jack shit in terms of food for thought, you can't even answer a 3rd of the questions that have been asked.
You lose, good day sir.
n/a r13r 2017-02-18
I didn't even make an argument. I'm not hear to answer questions, I wanted to see what people think about FE and I did. I didn't lose, you're just a butt hurt little bitch
n/a Pdelic1 2017-02-18
It's copy pasta from another redditor, hope he/she/it doesn't mind. I don't care if OP reads it, I post for the lurkers.