That is fantastic. Think about the grass roots level red-pilling that has happened in the last year. It has been a powerful event. You can see the cracks forming simply by reading the headlines.
His content has really improved druing the past over a year or so. Back when he was making all those Amnesia videos I remember thinking "yeah this guy is cancer" and the just kind of forgot about him, until a while ago someone linked me one of his newer videos and I was like "what the hell, Pewdiepie makes good content now"
I was in the same situation. Stumbled upon his 10minute video response to allegations. Solid stuff overall, although his general content isn't my sort of thing
I still view Pewdiepie as annoying and I'm not a fan of his, but recently I've grown to really respect him as a person. He does comedy that isn't to my taste but his ideologies and practices (based on what I've seen) are positive.
Good content yes, just not my taste and that's fair. Still massive amounts of respect .
God bless PewDiePie, really. He should be worshipped like Jesus. Just like this whole thread. This level of adulation is worthy of a man swearing at 11 year olds through ipads. You people are really sad and disgusting to kiss ass like this.
He's kinda always been like that. Felix is a great dude. PewDiePie is his persona which is just annoying to most older people.
The reason we never saw it during his Amnesia: The Dark Descent days is because he rarely ever dropped that persona, it was only visible through other videos (I remember watching one where he was talking about marketing and analytics), and it's only been in the past 2 years that he's started making Felix videos, and not just PewDiePie videos.
Never thought I would think of pie in any light.. think I saw a clip of his walking dead play through once and next thing I know he's saving our youth aha
Same, i thought he was part of the mind controlling garbage they are pushing everyone. He obviously pushed a lot of products on children for money, but this makes up for it 100x. I'm glad he's stepping up.
His general content can be a bit repelling at times, but if you manage to watch enough of it you'll catch glimpses of him being a pretty cool dude. He's the kind of person who'll stick up for the little guy, who's genuinely interested in what his fans are up to, and who doesn't take life or himself too seriously. All nestled neatly between a bunch of screaming, cursing, and crude humor. He's the perfect vessel for red pilling kids.
Could I get an ELI5 on this PewDiePie thing? The only thing I know about the guy is that he's famous on YouTube. What exactly has he done to redpill the internet?
Funny that the YouTube video has twice as many views as WSJ's readership, most of which will never trust that rag again. Having said that though, the smear against him across all media probably reached hundreds of millions (it was reported across TV, radio and other newspapers worldwide).
It's the same as how some people think the ruling class is white, then treat them different because they see them as a threat to their security... the actual ruling class is a sect of Judaism so alot of people who are misinformed deem all Jewish people part of the problem when in reality that belief is just as destructive.
So pewdiepie is significantly more popular than most people on earth, not just youtube. He has a following of 53 million people where he can technically say anything. The wall street journal finds this scary, and attempted to assassinate his character by skimming through hundreds of his videos and taking "nazi jokes" completely out of context. MSM believes they were successful as pewdiepie had lost an upcoming contract for some type of show with disney. But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech. While simultaneously discrediting mainstream jorunalism.
MSM believes they were successful as pewdiepie had lost an upcoming contract for some type of show with disney.
No he lost an existing contract with Maker (or polaris i forget) and that company is owned by Disney. They went to Disney and from there the executive order passed down for the contract to be cancelled or something of the like.
But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech.
Yep, I subbed to him after I saw his reaction video.
But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech.
Are you somehow suggesting that Disney doesn't have to right to exercise a termination clause likely in PewDiePie's contract? Do you really think Disney should not retain the right to curate their brand and tailor it to their markets?
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
So you've been white knighting about Disney refusing to buy a product? You do realize that's what you're doing right? In what way do you think you have been "protecting free speech" by trying to make Disney continue to pay PewDiePie.
You people are a joke and this sub is a joke. I never thought /r/conspiracy would fall so far to forget what freedom of speech does.
If Disney has a right to not like pewdiepie or the negative publicity, I have a right to not like Disney for being that shallow.
The mistake you made is synthesist. You yourself constructed a link between the phrase "protecting free speech" and the constitutional amendment that does the same thing. No such link exists.
People are allowed to have their own set of values outside of the constitution, and if somebody wants to say that corporations falling victim to fear tactics and mccarthyism and canceling somebody for what they said violates their values for what free speech means to them, that is also their right.
Thats the bit you don't get, Disney has a right to cancel pewdiepie, and I have the right to say that doing that is bad.
If Disney has a right to not like pewdiepie or the negative publicity, I have a right to not like Disney for being that shallow.
Disney likes $$$. Not surprising, I do to. Disney has to continue to service it's loyal worldwide customer base. They had a contracted employee publically make a joke about jews. If the needle moves forecasted Net Income, they may want to course correct. That's all they did. And PDD is not even close to .01% of their revenue. Easiest business decision they've ever made
People are allowed to have their own set of values outside of the constitution, and if somebody wants to say that corporations falling victim to fear tactics and mccarthyism and canceling somebody for what they said violates their values for what free speech means to them, that is also their right.
You're so very right!
and if somebody wants to say that corporations falling victim to fear tactics and mccarthyism and canceling somebody for what they said violates their values for what free speech means to them, that is also their right.
You can do that all you like. I encourage you to do it loudly and proudly. It'll help me know to steer clear in public. That's why you're all confined in this one safe space fighting for free speech?
The mistake you made is synthesist. You yourself constructed a link between the phrase "protecting free speech" and the constitutional amendment that does the same thing. No such link exists.
It took me a hot minute to actually digest this... Hypothetical" So if /r/conspiracy won the 2078 election, would you enact legistlature to make a more permanent solution, and if no, what's the point of pointing fingers and making a futile argument that fails under circular reference.
If I understand correctly, you just want to yell at the people you don't like? (MSM)
You very much have a right to yell and point at people, just please don't be surprised when you're all labeled crazy because you gather and call the people not in your group crazy...
Its funny you don't understand, even though you made the argument for me:
Mind clarifying for me? I asked you a question and you just replied that I don't understand. Help me to.
The whole point is to give a negative reaction to them pulling that shit.
Wait wait wait.... Seriously? Are you saying it's bad because it's meant to give negative reaction? How were you hurt by this personally? So essentially, you're angry with the MSM because they hurt your feelings and/or made you feel invalidated.
The whole point is to give a negative reaction to them pulling that shit.
No, i'm saying my disagreement over disney cancelling pewdiepie is designed to give a negative reaction to disney for doing so, as a point of data for them to consider next time
The mistake you made is synthesist. You yourself constructed a link between the phrase "protecting free speech" and the constitutional amendment that does the same thing. No such link exists.
I had to reply again since I honestly just can't believe this paragraph. I totally get what you're saying but if the constitution already protects you from freedom of speech... why are do you need the validation from the public who may or may not agree with you.
Your argument boils down to:
You are mad other private entities exercising the right to freedom of speech because you think it's wrong and without evidence have no legal or ethical ground to stand on. You're pissing into the wind and proud of it. It's honestly sad
I totally get what you're saying but if the constitution already protects you from freedom of speech
See, that goes back to your first comment:
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
The constitution only protects us from government censorship of speech. But people have all matter of legal ways to limit somebody's speech, some acceptable (to me), some not.
I know that if nobody could ever get any platform to let them say shit that isn't "approved", then free speech is de facto dead, but I also know that if everybody could say whatever they want on prime time national tv, that would be insanely disruptive and perfectly unfeasible.
There is a balancing act involved, and in my (and a hell of a lot of other people's) opinion, disney is on the wrong side of that balancing act. Most buy the excuse used, that it was a business decision, but I don't. It was a business decision, but that's not an excuse. Disney is still in my view on the wrong side of the balancing act and there should be some sort of negative consequences for that.
I'm not one to fall victim to the fallacy that everything has to be full on or full off, I'm not going to full on boycott them, because this isn't nearly bad enough to warrant that, and because I don't even consume much of their content. however, in my head, I'm going to remember this, and if I'm ever given a choice to buy something they make money off of vs an alternative version that they don't make money off of, I take this into account.
Now that your son understand there are two sides to all news stories, you can remind him that it's important to be updated from the news but also to keep a sharp mind in formulating opinions from given information.
I watch PewDiePie a lot too. Sort of embarrassing a grown women watches PewDiePie religiously.. but I do ._. and he was the reason I made the "The Mainstream Media lies to you, proof here" link on the side.
The whole situation pisses me off enough that I'm documenting every media lie I find.
For a youtuber he and h3h3 are the only ones I know I will watch the whole video. He's a great content creator for sure. He's matured a lot into a person who's creating intelligently smart videos about stupid topics.. I might be in bro love with him
Nice, I just recognized your username and realized you're the person who wrote "the MSM lies to you, here's proof." Nice list! Easy to share amongst the more impressionable, great job!
Hang on, do you mean to say that your son has been red-pilled is a good thing? I've always understood the concept of red-pilling to mean that you have successfully manipulated those of opposing viewpoints (like it's roots which mean men successfully manipulating women [(and don't get me wrong, I don't believe that men and women are natural opponents, that's fucking dumb]) over to your own viewpoints through means of psychological manipulation.
Red pilling is a term used to mean "waking up". It's derived from the movie The Matrix. Any other use of the term is misuse of the term. You are wrong about its roots.
Ok I give you that that is where r/theredpill got it's name. But the entire philosophy of that sub is based on the foundational understanding that men and women are natural competitors, and it teaches men how to "win" in a relationship. It's not a healthy mentality at all. I just celebrated my Grandma and Grandpa's 60th anniversary this past Saturday. Believe me when I say, my Grandpa has never and will never learn the philosophy that r/trp preaches
The TRP guys haven't been relevant for a long while, and the_donald tide has rolled in hard, but yeah... "redpill" in the sense that you knew it is now "MRA" or "mens rights activism".
Oh yeah it's been that way for a while. I've been on reddit since 2009. MRA seemed to spring up from redpill ideology, but cited controversial court cases in order to garner a debate with their redpill interpretation of the case. As a result, it seems that their degenerative ideology has become normalized enough to be a meme. It's insane.
the term red pill was around since 2004 way before /r/trp. it was like /r/trp co-oped the term and left wing fanatics are trying to link it to alt-right. that doesn't work if you took the red pill.
to me redpill has nothing to do with /r/trp just like christianity has nothing to do with westboro baptist church. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square.
the red pill is an ideological difference. most specifically it is when a liberal ideology turns into a more conservative ideology due to a life experience.
if somebody was against having a gun but then was a victim of a violent crime and decides to purchase a gun and take gun classes, they have been red pilled.
just because people use the term for the past few years to describe a dating ideology that is not about being a "nice guy" and is more about the DENNIS system still fits the definition. They don't get to co-op the terminology.
My other account hit six years recently. I do know about trp. The term "red pilled" only means trp IN trp. That's it. Among sane people, it means waking up. Like in The Matrix.
I'd wager its fake bullshit. Or this person is literally brainwashing their child. Although that happens regardless of peoples political leanings so thats not really fair.
It's more like really good satire, which doesn't exist on the internet. "Redpilling" a group of kids could easily be read as "indoctrinating" and people eat it up because it's their ideology.
Redpilling someone is essentially about revealing that they were unwittingly indoctrinated in the first place though. Redpilling is about offering the counter argument to the corrupted official narrative. It's all about critical thinking. You will not find more substantive debate and free exchange of ideas than you will among a group of people that have fundamentally become skeptics. Yes, there is a prevailing counter narrative that develops, but it's basically a byproduct of the mainstream narrative.
There is nothing more productive than having a generation of kids who question authority in the pursuit of truth. (note: questioning authority is not the same as rejecting it)
It was deleted by the time I got here, so I'll admit there's probably something I'm missing. my comments were made on principle. What was off about it?
Kid gets pissed that his favorite youtuber is portrayed negatively. He finds this out in his favorite youtuber's reaction video. Repeats his newfound anger at journalism writ large to his mother. Mother is very proud, this sub jerks off.
If you see in the thread a comment about her son's large group of friends that he has influence over, it's word for word what the mom wrote.
Agreed. Also, why are people circlejerking over an 11 y/o listening to what their favorite Youtuber is telling them? Your kid isn't "red-pilled" (nor should he be at age 11); your kid just listened to someone he looks up to.
It's the left's interesting new strategy in recent years to oppose hate, promote empathy and bring people together: be anti-Trump/Republican/conservative/fascist.
I keep track of active usernames, and almost everything you say is contrary. I can't help but see that, then imagine what any of us would feel if we were to spend time on /r/politics, and I wonder why you give so very much of your time to us.
Why is it "ENOUGHTRUMP_SPAM" user shows up on so many of these conspiracy tags and injects Trump/Politics into it?
The comments section here was purely going on about Pewdie and congratulating a mother on her son calling out the MSM. Nothing partisan, but still here comes ET_S.
Secondly, many of us actually are real people and subscribe to both subs. It's not brigading I've been on reddit for 9 years, you don't get to fucking tell me or anyone else what subs we're allowed to use. Fuck off.
Many conspiracies are "partisan" because they involve politicians. Of course I don't expect someone called ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM to be able to approach the topic impartially.
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I dunno kids just seem to be a little more aware, my daughter was coming out with one about Rapunzel and Elsa being sisters the other day, and had compelling evidence, lol
A lot of things that were formerly out of the mainstream are now fully mainstreamed after last year, it's crazy. Like people actually know who Soros is and what he does now.
Grass roots? Maybe. Astroturfing? Maybe. It sure has ruffled society's feathers and is making some people skeptical. At least it's not passive acceptance of bad shit because "the greater good" and all that authoritarian nonsense.
At no point did I mention the president. Red pill does not mean red for Republican, it's an alagory for the red pill that neo takes to help him see outside of the matrix, the false world we filed ourselves thinking is reality.
Oh I know, and it's been unfortunately taken by the male rights activists too.
It's a joke on "not trusting the mainstream news" which lately has become a"fake news" vs what our president says argument. Mainstream news skills always be taken with a grain of salt, but collectively is still more trustworthy than a single person or internet sight or anything else prone typically point to.
Also you mentioned its your local news? I find most local news more trustworthy than big news outlets, but for local stuff off course.
So this PewDiePie had some stupid joke on his video, and then a Jewish reporter for the WSJ went to his sponsors and tried to get them to dump him by making up some absurd like that he was a "neo-nazi" and an "anti-semite."
All over what was obviously a joke.
We have a long tradition of Jewish comedians in the country - some of the funniest people around, Larry David, Seinfeld, many more too numerous to mention. We also have black comedians like Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy and Dave Chappelle that trade in extremely edgy racial humor.
But as far as I know Jewish reporters don't go around trying to get them fired for making jokes about White people, Christians, Black people, Asian people, Latinos, LGBT, anyone.
Are Jews off limits to comedians now?
No one had a problem with Eddie Murphy's "Kill the White People" gimmick for SNL. In fact, "Kill the White People" was an actual pop punk song for a Jewish left wing band back in the 1980s.
Or how awful people lump in everything every white person did on all white people. It's not like it's meaning is set in stone. It's a song and open to interpretation. That's one of the nice things about music and literature.
I have never been Israeli and I don't even believe in their right to exist. You are literally retarded and embarrassing yourself. I hope you don't leave your house often, because even other white supremacists would be ashamed of your inarticulate drooling.
Punk was my jam growing up and I loved NOFX, but sadly you are right about them and many of those other bands I grew up listening to. At some point punk went off the deep end and it wasn't just about fuck the system and do what you want, they just because hard left ideologues.
Listen to Cobra Skulls, specifically Ode to Jefferson and especially Ice in the night. Shit is so good and relevant even though the songs are from like 2009.
The Brews is the one that goes 'terrorize the goyim.' It's kind of not a laughing matter in very specific communities, but I think Fat Mike was just being a bullshitting crude asshole like he always is.
I think the pewdepie thing is a bit deeper a tiff with a few Jewish journalists.
It was a primer attack to paint President Trump as anti semetic.
It was the same week that the Israeli PM visited the whitehouse.
The press tried to run with the antisemitic thing but it didn't wash.
The pewdepie thing earlier in the week was an attempt to drum hostility towards antisemitism in the media then channel this hostility towards the president.
You're quite adept at using the narrative they've presented you. Its purposely put there so you can come to conclusion you've come to, to make you feel like you're smarter than other people. Lots of groups have been using this tactic since JFK. Its like the Moloch worship, a lovely way to breed cognitive dissonance into inquiring minds.
Homie you're talking about a group of pranksters so involved with all of these movements they affected them in every way. I mean KWT wrote a book about Oswald before Oswald was even out of the military. Shape shifting reptilians? RAW. HAArp, bluebeam? RAW-taking influence from P.K.Dick ;), You think there aren't and weren't co-intel operations in response to the information/satire war that came to a head in the late 60's? You're crazy and you're still living in that war. You think the US hasn't used this sort of information to subvert and create populism and extremism in a non-satirical way since the CIA was formed? You think Russia hasn't done the same? You think the ottomans didn't have a rich tradition of informational warfare? This goes allllll the way back to the French Revolution holmes, you gotta take a look at the history.
Its worth noting that KWT became a victim as was driven insane by co-intel pro used to discredit him from within his inner circle of subversives. He gets lumped into the "Satanic Panic" which seems completely logical given the full story of his involvement with the early conspiracy/prankster groups he got along with. https://www.amazon.com/Idle-Warriors-Kerry-W-Thornley/dp/0962653403
Wooooo you're asking for directly non or falsifiable information and I dont usually speak in absolutes so this a hard bargain. At any given time, any given amount of agenda is being pushed by any number of groups in any possible direction or flow of information. I think millions of dollars is a stretch, many more important people than him have been marginalized for a multitude of reasons. In this case I don't think you're completely wrong, I should clear that up, however I DO think you're pushing only part of the picture. At its deepest level of the information war was Pewdepie marginalized by the JDL? Sure theres a good possibility of that, even benign jokes have destroyed larger careers, however its not like the JDL is a unknown quantity, their movements are fairly public as an advocacy group, none of that is conspiratorial really just social engineering. I do think the Netanyahu thing is a bit of a coincidence, Netanyahu has made his stance with Trump fairly clear and also Cui bono, but its not necessarily a stretch to say its a concerted effort possibly. You'll see more of this from prankster groups as they shift focus as well as the true believers of the left as more people catch on. Say what you will but there are people on Trumps administration that are connected to the right side of the true believers/propagandists when it comes to information warfare and honestly I think thats why most of the main zeitgeist will bite on the Trump as an anti-Semite narrative. There's always even different agendas when it comes to the different avenues of information/engineering/propaganda within the SUBJECT of anti or pro Semitic stances alone, that is right and left leaning. The answer is, Im not exactly sure of the absolute T truth in this situation (to use some philosophy) BUT those those are definitely two of the major narratives being pushed.
Especially when the idea of those jokes is "this thing is awful, let's all laugh in the face of evil and collectively agree how awful genocide is by a common trait we all share - laughter".
I think the point was no one is wrong here ezcept the people having bitch fit over it. You can make fun of harsh things. Thats how a society copes. By trivializing it. Dont get triggered now.
The joke wasn't even about jews. The sentence "kill all the jews" was used in the sketch because it's inappropriate, to make a point about the website that was the subject of the video.
They have fun songs, fun lyrics, had a couple albums that were political, their latest album was written when the band went sober, talking about big pharma. It's not like theyre super left-wing, anarcho, Zionist punk rock. It's fucking NoFX.
NoFX side, yeah definitely I feel you. I wouldn't say self-important so much compared to this 'indie' pop phase, but yeah those bands are generally the pop genre and overrated.
Meh. Im not gonna be one of those THAT WSANT REAL HARDCORE THIS IS REAL HARDCORE THIS IS POP PUNK type of guys, but depending on the concept of 'real hardcore' I think of Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag, even the anarchopunk/crust punk bands with primarily political lyrics.
But then it kind of makes sense now that Bad Brains, Black Flag etc are like Iron Maiden -- more of merch than a band.
How about no one is better than another? Why do all these little people have to put others down to build themselves up. Go accomplish something productive Nazi scum.
You're clearly a pathetic racist with nothing to be proud about. GO. DO. SOMETHING. Woodworking? Distance running? Gardening? Cooking? Cleaning up parks? Get this pointless zero sum victim mentality out of your head and take control of yourself.
Naw. Projection is a classic maneuver and I'm calling you out on it. You're trying to deflect because I've made a point that you don't really understand yet. But you will. Stop trying to argue against it and accept it. Your hate is unwelcome everywhere and love will prevail. Get on board. Be an early adopter.
Proud of what? Being born? Pride comes from accomplishment. Go out and accomplish something productive and you'll feel real pride. Your white pride comes from something you never even did. You were born and somehow that catapults you to the top of your imaginary race pyramid. It's delusional. Do something productive and you'll be overflowing with pride, not insecurity.
I'm just saying, it's ok for almost any race to be proud of themselves, and you see it all the time. The media even promotes it.
But why can't whites? And stop projecting "white pride" onto me, why does it always have to be associated with racism? And nowhere have I stated I see whites at the top of any piramid, you're just projecting your own views.
Isn't that's the whole point of it? That ppl can be proud of themselves, whoever they are, without the consent of thought police?
I think this to 'accept who you are' movement is childish. Everyone could use some self improvement. Be proud of your actions. What you've done. No one should get an advantage or disadvantage simply because of how they're born. Accomplish something. That's real pride.
Seinfeld has a joke on his show about getting coffee when discussing Jewish comedians "they are a few good Jews out there." Not funny out of context, pretty funny in context, but is it anti-Semitic?
I'll put it this way - if they ban Larry David and Curb Your Enthusiasm - I'll start the fucking revolution myself. That is one funny Jew. I don't want to live in a country where we Larry David is banned.
I'm not sure if it's the same journalist, but he called out one of them since he went through their Twitter and they make racist jokes as well.
Ben Fritz is the guy he called out, if you look at his Twitter (at least a day or two ago) it's full of people calling him and WSJ out on the jokes he made saying he should get fired.
I would say that it's not because jews are off limits, it's because he's vocally shown his distain for MSM, how the warp what people say to fit their narrative.
Combined with the recent line of attack from the regressive-leftists which comprise huge portions of the MSM, which is everyone who isn't with us is a nazi, and thus okay to be violent towards.
It's basically just an evolution of what GamerGate had with all gamers are sexist.
The WSJ article was actually very clear --- it said that he included a series of Nazi imagery in his jokes and parody. And the WSJ called Disney for comment because that's what journalists are supposed to do.
Not really. Putting "death to all Jews" in your video isn't flimsy. I'm not offended by it, but like I said, Disney protects their brand fiercely. He should have known better.
Congrats! It's a proud moment to be sure. I brought my 13-year-old daughter to a conference recently. She was sitting at the booth with her laptop reading the news a co-worker looking over her shoulder was blown away when she started researching the sources mentioned in the article. I think it red-pilled him a bit.
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Nobody said without violence... god you trolls are picky. By peaceful, i mean to minimise the violence as much as possible. More people that wake up means simpler solutions. Half of you probably have some second amendment wet dream all planned out, but it DOESN'T have be that way... It's ignorant to assume it HAS to be any way in particular.
Yes, praise jeebus when we wake them ALL up to the almighty word that is PewDeePie's back-tracking. Hail to thee that attacks the objective fact-seekers in search of the greater truth: whatever their leader wants it to be at that time. Praise!!!
You are aware that that specific article is considered one of the worst offenders and straight up lying about all of the things they wrote about? It's even worse than the original WSJ article and quite disturbingly so. You seem to be finnish based on your username, and normally us finnish people like to consider ourselves smarter/skeptic and not just believe what we are told right?
Just a joke blown out of proportion. With that said I'm not surprised that Disney dropped him. I doubt many companies would want their name attached to something watched by millions where a guy pays people to dance around with a sign that says "Death to all Jews" written on it.
I can see why Disney dropped him. They are getting more kid friendly over the years, so I can see that.
I guess the problem here may be that the Wall Street journal insinuates he is an anti-semite. Though, It doesn't look like anything they wrote is technically wrong. The manipulation I guess is the subtle narrative being built around the jokes.
As someone who doesn't give a shit either way. Don't know who PewDiePie is. I watched some of his videos defending himself, the guy fucked himself with these jokes if he is getting paid by Disney.
I don't think anybody was technically wrong in this situation. The argument for wallstreet journal is a continuous background narrative of anti-Semitism behind satire. The argument for PewDiePie is edgy satire and comedy is his life blood. The argument for Disney is that it doesn't belong in their media.
The issue is "are jokes that are taken out of context and are anti-Semitic, still anti-Semitic in context?" As well as "is pewdiepie anti-Semitic for making these jokes?" That's up to you to decide. I think there is a grain of truth in some jokes. Some jokes are just jokes. I like offensive humor because I see it as making fun of harmful stereotypes. But that's me. Then the deb ate goes into whether we as a society should joke about certain things and it devolved from there.
The truth is this one guy saw an opportunity for sensationalist yellow journalism and took it. The editor saw it and thought "hey, this might generate a lot of views." I'm willing to bet that's how other organizations saw it. I'm just as willing to bet more than one editor choose the writer specifically because they can (knowingly or that's just how they are) farm that outrage for page views. IMHO that's why it's important when sharing outrage clickbate like this that people use an archive to deny the host those views in order to encourage better quality.
I think if I were Disney I would have done the same thing. Joke or not I wouldn't want a family brand to be associated with blue comics or edgy acts. The edgiest id want to be is the marvel and Star Wars stuff.
The jokes were not directed at jews, the anti-semitic quotes were used because they are so universally denounced and were used in such a way that the jokes only worked if everyone, including the comedian, accepted that such positions are not something normal people would hold of their own volition. Had he picked a PETA quote it wouldn't have landed since it is not universally accepted that eating meat is unethical.
PewDiePie isn't a comedian. He might think he is, but he doesn't know how to write a joke. (Surely he is rich enough to hire a writer if he's serious about this.) Lots of comedians make jokes about Jews and other minorities and get away with it, because they know how to write a joke. South Park is a good examples of this, or people like Sacha Baron Cohen, the WSJ isn't running "hit pieces" on them, as shocking as they can be. Good jokes have structure, they have subtext, they make a point. There is no joke here, no point, just a rich white guy paying two poor, non-native speakers to spread a hateful message they probably didn't even fully understand (pretty sure one of them was quoted saying exactly that).
Try imagining someone doing this "joke" on you, hiring you to hold up a sign saying "death to jews" in a language you don't understand. Funny! It's not all that different to having a Chinese takeout menu tattooed on you by an unscrupulous tattoo artist. You are the joke. The only point he actually made is that you can pay people to do anything, which is not only not very funny but not remotely an original observation.
The other problem is anti-semitism is not in fact universally denounced. I'm not sure why you think it is when this very website is home to a lot of them; you've been here years, you know the worst Reddit has to offer. A lot of "normal" people hold anti-semitic views. Many of them are spending time lately vandalizing Jewish graves, while others are just working for the President of the United States. No big deal, not like there are anti-semites literally at the highest level in the country, empowering previously lowkey anti-semites to go out and desecrate graves. Alt-right is all over this guy, precisely because of his part in normalizing this kind of crap. If alt-right people are applauding you, you're either a giant bigot or you fucked up somewhere.
Disney also has the added problem of having been founded by a notorious anti-semite. Anything with even a whiff of anti-semitism is something they, as a brand, need to distance themselves from, even if said whiff is an illusion.
That said, I'm not sure why they were connected with Kjellberg in the first place, as a lot of his channel is not particularly Disney friendly (language).
You understand what WSJ is trying to do when you think about the fact they took a "nazi clip" out of context from a pewdiepie video in which he was saying "people who are taking my jokes out of context to make me a nazi are dumb".
Plus that video montage really is embarassing, after you learn the facts.
I think this issue is that when a comedian makes 7-ish jokes in thousands of hours of video in which he's making a couple jokes a minute, it's dishonest to make this out to be some sort of pattern, particularly when one of which is in a video titled "Stop putting nazi imagery in my videogame" or something along those lines.
Ben Fritz, the journalist who wrote the WSJ article has, himself, made more anti-semitic (and anti-black) jokes on his own twitter feed than Felix Kjellberg--whose actual job is making jokes--has on his channel.
Interesting, just trying to form my own opinion here. I figured WSJ was being manipulative considering the video has the ominous music and the short cuts of his videos.
I'm not surprised that there would be a report on the top YouTube star when something significant happens, but it seems a lot of people are angry that WSJ caused it. YouTube is one part of the internet that I doing really participate in
Did Disney drop him before or after the report? I'm confused on this part, I couldn't find clarity on if WSJ reported it or just reporting on it. Did the journalist go witch-hunting?
According to Kjellberg, pressure by the WSJ was put on several of his sponsors (not just disney) prior to even being contacted about the article (including pressure against Youtube to demonetize his channel, which would take his annual compensation from 8 figures to 0). Sort of a "Nice house you got there, be a real shame if something happened to it" deal. The sponsors and business partners contacting him was how he says he even found out an article was being written.
As far as "why" they did this, that's not really clear. It's been hypothesized that this was an attack by the WSJon youtube itself (as a media outlet that's nominally outside the control of normal media influence--and a growing one--sinking the #1 star is a good way for old media to let new media know it can put them in their place whenever it feels like it) or that a journalist was just looking for a scalp in the interests of self-promotion, as has happened in the past.
Keep in mind that the vast majority of everyone only echo what they hear, and often don't come to their own conclusions based on fact, reason, and evidence.
Yeah, unlike the rest of the thread I would totally believe this story is real. The problem is the child isn't actually learning to think skeptically and critically, he's just repeating whatever his favorite screen personality told him to think, which is literally the opposite.
11 years old is prime time to realize that the world has many perspectives and that it's important to think critically on serious topics.
If someone is filling their 3 year old's head with "9-11 was an inside job", then yea- that's highly inappropriate. But 11 year olds are on the cusp of fleshing out their way of thinking. If they learn that the media can be disingenuous, that's a good thing.
The fact that he's an anti-semite. They got that wrong. One of the employees that works for the WSJ actually says he approves of the nazis. (I'm paraphrasing) He shows it in the video.
Whatever I was reading--WaPo, maybe--made clear that it was just a prank, bro but quoted both someone from the ADL and some neo-Nazi that it helps put that shit in the mainstream.
While i agree that a company has the right to save face, i don't think people would consider youtube mainstream media. It pulls mainstream numbers, which i think the media is afraid of but i wouldn't turn to youtube for the news.
The child most likely had seen the PDP videos that the MSM was taking out of context to form a narrative. Then he concluded that they were in fact portraying him falsely. That sounds like being critical and skeptical to me. Smart kid.
That's kind of insulting to the kids of the generation. With the power of the Internet, i believe the kids today were nothing like the kids of last generation. I've come across kids under 10, who have more common sense than most adults. I mean we can say that an adult still acts like a child yet we don't think kids can act like an adult?
Did you really come across some 10 year old with more commons sense?
I take it you've never came across a 20 something with no sense whatsoever.
Or is it more likely you talked to a 10 year old with the same view point as you?
I wasn't even conversing to the child myself. I overheard a young child give an adult an answer that was beyond his years. Even the adult he was talking to felt stupid.
Can you even tell the difference?
Can i? Who knows but apparently you might have experience in this so please enlighten me.
A 10 year old should never be the source of fact or reality. Chew on that.
Again, you seem like someone with experience in 10 year olds. So again, enlighten me.
When it's done by others it's "indoctrination" when it's done by them it's "raising them right"... Teach your damn kids to think critically, that's it.
There's no fucking way you have enough empirical evidence to make such a statement regarding generation z.
They're truly the first modern generation to have never lived without the internet available 24/7 in most cases, even I as a millenial have no fucking clue what that is like.
Kids have access to tablets and smartphones so early on these days , and sure they are going to be exposed to a lot of bullshit and tricked. But I have faith that a ton of kids are questioning the media in particular A LOT more following what they just saw on YouTube.
I think we will soon enough have a mass movement going. It is the internet that will bite the elites in the ass. Because of the internet people are able to form their own opinions and fight back the oppression.
That is not to say they will not go down without a fight. Shills are evidence of this. In my books, 2016 marks the start of the wide-spread growth of our movement. Let's fight for a better tomorrow.
Not just shills, those hardcore Trump loyalists are just as bad. They will also fight to defend their so called "God Emperor" from any criticism lest they look just like the democrats after 8 years of Obama.
These aren't mutually exclusive... Neither one should be seen as infallible and both should be held accountable. The fanaticism of politics now has made divide and conquer so much easier.
Exactly. I'm glad people are outraged at their government. They fucking should be. I'm just tired it took 8 years until someone they didn't like was in office before they cared. And now Trump is absolutely going to get blamed for everything that comes to light because he's the easiest target in the world.
I was a Trump supporter. Voted for him in the election. However, Trump supporters are becoming fanatical. I have become disappointed. The problem was I had to vote between a douche and a turd
Most Trump voters I've talked to voted against Hillary rather than for Trump. Hillary was a clear continuation of the deep state perpetual war/mass surveillance establishment, and Trump may or may not be.
For me, the nonstop criticism of Trump from hawkish neoconservatives is promising.
That not everyone voted for Trump or Republicans so much as against what the democrats were offering. What the democrats by and large were offering were (aside from obvious issues) GWB-lite style neo-cons with a social justice agenda. It's the worst of all worlds.
Wait, you're saying that all the dems (or most of them, at least) that lost to reps down ballot lost because they were GWB lite neo-cons with a social justice agenda?
They're both being as cynical as possible now. Republicans are still standing around waiting to see if they'll impeach Trump and fully take over the government or if they should just pretend to like him because populism is on the rise and they're too out of touch to know what people actually want.
The Democrats are hoping they can just do what the Republicans do and be obstinant children for his entire term and then be rewarded by voters for it. They will do the same exact thing as the Republicans did, whine about what the president is doing, promise to reverse all of it, but when they eventually get into power again they're either not going to do shit or not have any real, practical plans for replacing the things they're repealing.
If anybody is hyped up about either party right now, they're simply misinformed. This is a complete shit show from all sides.
It's almost like they should have had a primary to determine which candidate to run instead of pre-choosing the candidate and then knee-capping all the competition until she walked away with the nomination.
The DNC and the RNC are corrupt to the bone and need to be entirely rebuilt.
The neoconservative faction strongly opposes him, so I'm not sure how much he supports more active military intervention. He does however want a stronger and more responsive military to increase its deterrent effect.
I've talked to a few enthusiastic supporters but they are not the majority.
Most Trump voters I've talked to voted against Hillary rather than for Trump.
I wonder if that is true or if it was Trump which really made you/us think that.
We had already had our Trump in Italy (much of Trump's political campaign was copy-pasted from him), and people who voted for him were saying the same exact thing (better him than the poor opposition).
Or maybe he just choose the perfect moment. It is rather interesting the same exact sentences are being made tohugh.
I don't really follow. Wouldn't Trump want people to think that the votes he received were a show of support for him rather than a show of disapproval against Hillary?
He doesn't care if he gets the votes. Those are people who wouldn't have voted for him if the opponent was seen as more worthy.
What I'm wondering if that negative consideration does really depend on the opponent (so he chose accurately when to go on politics) or it is generated by the way Trump does things. After all it is in theory really easy to "demonize" anybody with that kind of political attitude.
Ya. He's making all the people I don't like crazy, left and right. If Bill Kristol's losing his mind over the actions of a Republican, there's a decent chance the guy's onto something.
FNORD. Take it easy on the whataboutism comrade. Let's not pretend anyone is innocent here. You're talking about someone that has definitly been friends with known child molesters, the Sandusky kind not the shadowy satanic, populist BS.
Oh definitely both. I don't understand the mental gymnastics that one power is more benign than the other. High new york society? yeeeeea sure that guy has humanist values. C'mon man.
LOL, entire blocks of families lost their homes with his blockbusting policies in the 80's and 90's. Lets just go ahead and replace "Hillary" with "the establishment." Dude this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum and its cognitive dissonance if you think one form of power is more benign than the other. You think Trump hasnt been to the grove? You're crazy.
The mainstream (democrat) media, calls Assad a dictator (despite having a higher approval rating than they do).
The democrats call, Russia and Assad fighting off ISIS and Al-Nusra (being paid for by America and its allies) as GENOCIDE when they retook Aleppo. They accused the democratically elected leader of a country of committing genocide over taking back the land they had ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED FOR FOUR YEARS.
Notice how ISIS is losing power now? Notice how the Clinton Foundation is closing up all over the place?
Damn you can just jump all over the place in your bias hunh? What if I told you, no one is the good guy here? Power structures falling always leave vacuums that will be filled, so much so vacuums are purposely created now, what do you think ISIS just sprung up on its own? That it was only "democrats?" Dude you're hook, line and sinker into the narrative.
LOL a religio-social movement that has been picking up steam since the fall of the Ottomans and has purposely been kept stewing by every western powers foreign policy for the past 80 years?! LOL GOOD WITH THAT, damn you have a Euro-centric perspective.
The only issue with Islam is fundamentalist extremists.
And it makes sense for America to vet people who could be fundamentalist extremists, since Syrians that don't live among terrorists are with their overwhelmingly approved leader in Damascus.
Again you're confusing symptoms for the disease. You need to look at history more, try, from a western perspective, the "peasant wars." You're talking about relgio-social identities, not radicalism. You've got to start understanding the different groups in Islam and stop painting a broadstroke picture before you're gonna get down on this stuff. You're talking like Fox news over here. I guess the problem in the Caucasus was the Serbs? Things arent as simple as you're trying to make them.
Im not disagreeing with that at all. I'm just trying to show you, differences in power structures currently are non-consequential and motivated completely like money, same as before.
Well I definitely don't think thats what this is. Honestly my little hope for Trump has been shattered, if he was ANYTHING different there are TONS of avenues to expose SO MANY questions that have plagued the west for the past 100 years. Instead he uses the confusion as a form of populism, creating a cult of personality. He's so against the existing power establishment? His first order would have been to call out the intelligence community for things they've ACTUALLY DONE, not call them names at face value, its just another show.
I suppose you feel it's naive for requesting a fresh start or new perspective, or that it's naive to think that's what this is?
There is no fresh start. Look at Trumps cabinet. Look at it. Those fucking guys are going to get rich(er). The insurance companies are going to get rich, the private prisons are going to get rich, he is going to increase police presence, etc.
I don't think any of that is good.
If trump was somehow redpilled, he'd get the info on 9/11 and release it, he'd get some JFK info and release it. Nothing.
I sorry, I should have said western-centrist, that would have been better, that was Political Science slip up, academically they've been interchangeable since the cold war and still are from an eastern political science perspective. Academics and popular discourse are not on the same page, thank goodness.
Although in real terms, Donald Trump seems to have caused far less harm on the world than Clinton. At least he didn't start any wars (that we're still fighting).
I'm in political purgatory. I can't find any happen medium. Especially after the massive censoring going on on the Donald. If you research most of the information or news story they post, it is outdated. Some sources are months old and they try to play it off like it is current. Additionally, Trump's position on Marijuana is perplexing. I was also a little disappointed with him backing out of the correspondents dinner. Historically they are giant roasts of our presidents and politicians, but I think is withdrawal only perpetuates the massive divide in our political system. So it is a combination of many factors. On the other hand I have no sympathy for the libs. I think they are just as bad in many respects; especially with the media.
Politicians are never going to align with your own beliefs 100%, that's a totally unreasonable expectation to be perfectly honest with you.
Also yes there are plenty of people who blindly support politicians, on every side in every country. It's just the way people are, it shouldn't detract you from the candidate themselves. The KKK came out in support of Hillary, does that mean you shouldn't vote for her? No. There are plenty of good reasons to oppose her but that isn't one. Logic works the same on the other side IMO.
I'm a regular lurker on T_D, I like the memes and their overall spirit. My issue with that sub is when they go on about fake news but post links from random websites you've either never heard of or have suspicious / biased sounding names, it's worrying.
He's in a hard spot, and seems to have chosen the law. He can't very well say sanctuary cities have to go, but pot can stay. If you want the MJ laws repealed, that's congress' job. I would vote against recreational marijuana use in my state, but for the removal of the federal laws. It is definitely a state issue.
That is how I feel. It was awesome in the beginning during primary season, but now you cannot go a comment without seeing how cucked someone is or how something needs to be boycotted. And of course, my favorite, how everyone who has an opposing opinion is a paid shill
Lol, have you seen the reaction from the libs? Violence, riots, racism, beating up handicapped people.. all part of a days work for the libtards ever since Trump won.
atleast trump supporters are organic unlike paid shill bitches. and whats so wrong w trump so far other than what mainstream media spoonfeeds you? no new wars yet.. not bad
atleast trump supporters are organic unlike paid shill bitches. and whats so wrong w trump so far other than what mainstream media spoonfeeds you? no new wars yet.. not bad
I don't think that his statement was to say that Trump is currently bad.
I think he meant that he hopes that Trump loyalist will hold him accountable when he actually does fuck up, and not hamster an excuse for it.
The_Donald is full of a**holes but don't hold them as representative of all Trump supporters. Plenty of Trump supporters are holding him accountable. We just won't hear of it on that sub or the equally cancerous subs like politics, news etc.
I find myself more and more wanting to find common ground with political opposites. I am so sick of the endless caricatures of opponents and the ultra strident propaganda where no middle ground exists.
Perhaps a new sub called "the middle ground"
You should have to be able to note one positive aspect of a person's position followed by a reasonable critique. Otherwise no comment.
Ad hominum gets deleted and repeats get you banned. I would spend my time there happily.
Such things do exist. We should not lose sight of that entirely.
I'd give that sub a try, it's tiresome seeing the same talking points in every political discussion with both sides simply trying to win an argument without any attempt at understanding. Most people fall somewhere near the middle, it's a bit misleading to have subs that only cater to the fringe.
Plenty of false dichotomies that exist to divide us and keep us thinking its left vs right instead of bottom vs top. Healthy discussion where common ground is established is the best way to combat this, and I think that idea for a subreddit is a great one
If media is any indication, they'll just keep spewing talking points. I've heard some expert deflections from Rush, Hannity, and the like on many things lately since they don't want to be seen as criticizing "their guy" who won.
the Trump admin moving to criminalize Marijuana across the nation is somehow good even though we said leaving Marijuana for the states to decide was the right thing to do a few months ago!!! don't disagree or you will be banned on the_donald xd
the sub has legit ex-IDF Israelis on the mod team, not even 4chan meme JIDF, actual IDF... I'd imagine that doesn't lend itself to open discussion of Israel
Ha, I got banned for that very reason. Mentioned "States rights are important when it comes to potties but not pot." was called a cuck by a mod and perm banned.
To some extent just threatening with these things is bad. Even if you never actually go after marijuana producers, just by saying that you will you are hurting their business. People will be much less willing to invest money if it might get confiscated by the feds at any point. Just like saying you will veto any bill about (insert good thing here) can be a bad thing even if you never actually veto any of them, because the thread will prevent those bills from being passed to begin with. Promises and words matter when you're president.
Agreed, but the status quo was that those kind of loyalists were always seen that way, and rarely did their opinions have any weight.
The otherside however have gone from being reliable to just as bad, which is now causing this backlash because whilst everyone in the middle realised it was coming from the right, are now having to understand that it's coming from the left as well.
The left however are less used to this, and have adopted the incredibly poor tactic of, if you don't agree with everything we say, you're against us and we hate you.
Something I've never really seen coming from the hardcore right.
4chan at least has some basic sense of rules, you want to see real insanity? Head over to 8chan sometime, some of those guys are full blown nazis while others are so deep into the whole pizzagate thing they are basically making things up to go after people who cosplay and attack them as pedophiles.
It is the internet that will bite the elites in the ass. Because of the internet people are able to form their own opinions and fight back the oppression.
Also because of the internet: people can move into echo chambers and have their views reinforced and radicalized.
Reference: Satanic panic, revitalized from the early 90's all over this sub. Yea lets ignore the actual molesters (Saville, Sandusky) and their phsycology, nah it was Satan worshipers S/.
Possibility of institutionalized pedophilia? Sure. Possibility of physiological coaching and tampering with victims. Absolutely. A ring of Satan worshiping occultists after some sort of supernatural powers? Bullshit, Fnord, misdirection.
There is also people who wills say shit like "context matters" to pewdiepies videos, but they won't take into account possibly some of the pizzagate "evidence" is misread context
The problem pewdie ran into was that Disney decided they didn't want him. It's just a fact of life that large companies like that tend to shy away from controversial things\figures. Is it ironic due to Walt hating jews? sure thing, but walt is dead and now it's all about making the share holders money. was it their right to cut ties with him? sure. Did he cross the lines of good taste? some might be inclined to say that. Others feel he did nothing wrong. At the end of the day it is what it is and that's life.
from what I've followed of pizzagate on voat\4chan\8chan is that people thought podesta looked like a pedophile and when the wiki leaks doc came along someone decided that the emails about comet were double speak code and that there was obviously something going on despite the lack of a witness or victims. The only thing at this point in my mind is there is a whole bunch of conjecture the smells of a witch hunt to me where people are making up the facts to fit a story they've already decided was true.
The only thing at this point in my mind is there is a whole bunch of conjecture the smells of a witch hunt to me where people are making up the facts to fit a story they've already decided was true.
Yea... I dunno how people even come to some of the conclusions they reach. It is like they don't understand that weird people go around doing weird art-type stuff. I know the people who run a couple of the instagrams theyve used as "Proof". The minute I saw that and saw how they just went searching to confirm what they believed was clear
I'm fairly certain that pizzagate also started on 4chan. Which means it is almost certainly a troll. Do you remember like eon8 and stuff like that? The internet has gotten people good before.
I agree with you on pewdiepie. I doubt they felt "threatened" by him, as people say. Disney cannot be tied in with Walts beliefs anyway, cause like you said, he is dead. Then there is the fact that Disney's entire image is being wholesome and whatnot. That is their thing for the most part.
for me pizzagate really went absurd when they connected a pizza joint in brooklyn that hillary visited or did a fund raiser at or maybe commented on how she liked their pizza. on their instagram there was some art stuff that included pentagrams and what not as well as pictures of kids.... eating pizza. In their minds this was proof enough that it was part of a bigger network. I however live in brooklyn and there is something they missed out on, a lot of the folks working at pizza joints tend to be metal kids\hipsters in bands. Metal kids tend to use pentagrams in their band art work because it's "METAL" I pointed out to them the pizza place across the street from me who also had similar art work and kinda trolled them saying that I found another one with virtually the same types of things in their Instagram. I was immediately shot down because there was no connection to Hillary or Podesta and was told I needed to follow the money. because podesta looks "weird" thus must be a pedophile thus lets make the facts fit that narrative.
They have the DARPA robots on their side, control over our phones and ability to record things, they have the high tech armor, they have control over our skies, they have the bunkers, they have everything they need to win this.
Are they forming their own opinions, or just conforming to the opinions of different people than perhaps traditionally? Is OP's son really forming his own opinions or just basing his opinions on some youtube video instead of something shown on cable news?
It's really inconvenient not to know what is going on all the time. Even scientific & medical sources are fraudulent. What a mess. But at least we know we can't believe anything they say.
Not too surprising to be honest. He became too powerful for them to ignore. His views put all of TV to shame and he has more subscribers than all the MSM newspapers combined. They saw him as a symbol of their fall and lashed out.
I don't want a world of witchhunts and character assassinations over one or two jokes that were taken out of context or were just dumb gaffs. Making a holocaust joke doesn't make you a Nazi. There isn't this fucking Nazi epidemic the left would have you believe. There's probably like 100 actual Nazis left in the US and 90 are in prison.
Did you read the post? All it said is that OP's son heard about a story, researched it to find out the unbiased truth, and came to their own conclusions about what happened. What about that is indoctrination?
Although this was posted on /r/conspiracy, which has a bit of a bad reputation, the contents of this post are harmless and positive. Whether or not you agree with what Pewdiepie did, you have to give credit to a child who forms their own opinions.
Placing blind trust in a corporation (this goes for anyone, from Breitbart to CNN) is foolish. You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" to recognize that if you only see one side of a story, you're not getting the whole story.
Actually. The post says the kid heard pewdiepie say something. And took it as fact. That's a super biased point of view being presented to an impressionable young person by someone of influence, which is being taken as fact.
I'm basing what I said on other posts OP's made, where she says that he went through the effort of researching multiple viewpoints.
I'm not sure how much of this an 11-year-old could understand, but it seems like he at least put effort into looking at multiple sources. I think that's definitely praise-worthy, considering his age. It's a mature thing to do. Obviously, he won't have the same insight into the situation that you and I have. I'm sure we both have experience discerning fact from fiction and opinion, and under that lens this post may not seem great, but everyone has to start critically thinking sometime. It looks like he's heading in the right direction, and he's probably not there yet, but I think this post is hardly "indoctrination."
If political affiliations were switched I highly doubt you wouldn't consider this indoctrination of a child. Let me phrase it this way. If in this situation everyone was on the opposite side. The right attacking a left figure. Would you now be so willing to defend this is this rightist figure was spouting to thousands of impressionable children how all right based media is propaganda and are lies to push their motive. How would that make you feel? Would you still feel that this child came to his own logical conclusion of a highly controversial topic which he does not understand ( I wonder how many 11 year olds understand the political climate in America, and the history of anti Semitic behaviour). Would you still feel this is honestly what the child told his mother he believes, and not the child believing what he was told.
No need to get angry. Seriously, I'm trying to have a mature conversation to see your side, but it's clear that you won't make it worth my time.
I think it's hilarious how you assume that I'm a conservative. I'm a fucking Green party voter - about as far as you can come. That said, I completely stand behind free speech and comedy.
I never said this story was believable. I just said that what it portrays is not indoctrination, but it is encouragement for verifying sources.
No need to get defensive, I just wanted to see your side and share mine
It's funny that me refuting things you say is "getting angry". Never did I get angry. But if you want to use your reply to talk about how angry and unreasonable I am, rather then refute the points I brought up then go for it. I won't reply again though.
So essentially this Pewdiepie guy , who buy the way I will never forgive any of you for making me watch 4 minutes of his videos, told your son that everything on TV is a lie. Your son then believed him without question despite the incredibly obvious conflict of interests, and you proceeded to laud his critical thinking and that he shouldn't immediately believe everything he sees without question.
The kid didn't seem to repeat what Pewdiepie said literally though, it seemed he made up his own conclusion about "what else are they lying about"? The video in question never makes any assertations like that, and just says with proof that whatever they wrote about him this time just wasn't true.
WTF is ShareBlue. I've been told I'm in JIDF, Hasbarah, Langley, Eglin, CTR and that other one from a few weeks ago. I can't even keep up with you guys.
They are all generally compatible. JIDF and hasbara are the same thing, CTR and ShareBlue are the same thing (actually funded by the same people, ShareBlue is just CTR post-Clinton campaign) and Soros is basically the grandfather of "progressive astroturf."
Let me add a little more context here. When the PewDiePie news broke, I asked my son what's up withe PewDiePie drama, knowing that he was a fan. He went on to tell me that it was a joke taken out of context. I told him to do some research before forming his own opinion on the matter. And then I completely forgot about the conversation and never brought it up again. This morning he came at me with the stuff I wrote above. Apparently he did do some research and the most important thing he took from it was that if MSM lied or blew something like this out of proportion, what else do they lie about. He's a smart, logical kid.
I think it's also important to point out that I am like an anomaly in the conspiracy theorist "demographic". Middle aged, college educated, White, lesbian. The fact that I am woke also speaks volumes for our times.
if MSM lied or blew something like this out of proportion, what else do they lie about
Maybe you should teach him that the "MSM" isn't a single entity, but a catch all term for many many many news outlets. The vast majority of those news outlets didn't even report on this stupid PewdiePie drama.
Maybe you should teach him that just because CNN is bad at reporting on things, that doesn't mean that NPR is bad at reporting things. Just for instance.
Practically every single major news media outlet is owned by one of 5 companies. So referring to those "many many many many" outlets is slightly off. It's all pretty bad at the moment.
While that piece covers some valid points, they also try to make it seem that IF those companies really do own that much of the media (they kind of ended up saying, "so, these guys might ACTUALLY own all of the major television news media outlets that people watch and listen to without hesitation, but look, rush Limbaugh and NPR aren't under those guys!") there is no real problem because they compare the situation to market domination parallels in beer, commercial airplanes, and cars. Pretty stupid comparison honestly.
Yeah I agree. However their list seems fine, and it seems to include very major news outlets, so you can stay in mainstream media territory and avoid the big 5 without even working that hard.
If you go as politically incorrect as paying Africans a few dollars to hold a sign saying "death all all Jews" and dance, you're not going to bea presentor for Disney. This is the way of the world. It's not even about antisemitism, it should be obvious to whoever is remotely in touch with what Disney should be looking for in terms of public image management.
If that makes your son think that everyone is lying about everything, without thinking of any alternatives, then you may like where he's got to but I wouldn't put it as doing meaningful research. You could introduce him to Hanlon's Razor if you care about his view of the world. Or you could ask him to explain to you why the media is conspiring against Pewdiepie.
We sing of freedom and ooh equality.
But we really don't care we just want money money money.
We want to drive in a big black limosine.
Get so high off ganja we can't even see.
And then we kill the white people. Ooh we gunna make them hurt.
Kill the white people. Yea. Ooh but buy my record first ooh.
Followed by Eddie Murphy getting kicked off the stage. Sounds about right.
it's a joked he was even surprised when they did it since when he asked for absurd things from other people they declined. he didn't expect for them to do, he expected them to decline it.
I have read the full WSJ article and watched his entire reaction, and anyone who has done the same will come to the same conclusion --- there is one person misrepresenting the situation, and it's not the WSJ.
They never accused him of being a Nazi, they never tried to have his show taken off YouTube. They just presented a story that said, "Look, the most popular person on all of YouTube --- one who is bankrolled by Disney --- is using a lot of Nazi images and anti-Semitic jokes in his videos. Here are the nine times he's done it."
Is it not an embarrassing contradiction to be middle aged and college educated and use slang like "woke" and "red pilled" which are phrases that appear to mainly circulate among nerdy teenage boys, often in the context of weird sexist theories that have little basis in reality(I know what subreddit I'm on).
Not even close. The media tried to make something out of nothing that all of his followers knew was nothing, and therefore the media made themselves look untrustworthy.
You need to understand something about the media. They're a business, and in order to make money they need people to buy their publications and watch their news. This means that they will tell stories that they think their target audience will read. They want to evoke a reaction of some kind in their audience which is not dissimilar from what Internet trolls do.
At the same time, they usually don't tell outright lies. They just frame existing information in such a way as to get your attention. You can still get very accurate information from the mainstream media if you know how to read it.
The main idea of your post was bullshit. And starting it out with the immature condescending line :
You need to understand something
doesn't help your case at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MSM is operating at a complete loss at the moment. They are losing viewership and ratings just to constantly push the outright lies to us. "They don't usually lie to us"? That's probably the most ignorant statements you can make in a sub like this.
Youtube shock jock hit controversy gold with an anti-semetic joke, Disney dropped their sponsorship(which even he has said is totally understandable) and now he's being persecuted for it with internet fame.
Actually he is blindly trusting the authority of PewDiePie. PewDiePie could be completely wrong, but this mod wouldn't know that and would accept his words blindly.
He was called a "hero to the nazis" after he condemned any support to neo-Nazism. Also, WSJ went to his partners before getting a response from Pewdiepie himself.
It's hard to not blindly trust for a lot of people it seems. Even when people get "woke" they end up in places like this sub and then go on to blindly trust every conspiracy theory they see.
I think the folks that do that are just in this to be contrarian.
I admit when I first saw the title I thought you were using the Red Pill like /r/TheRedPill/ does, which is to say "Once you know the truth, you can abuse women all you want".
Then I realized you used it in it's original form.
He basically redpilled an entire generation. More people are seeing through the media bull shit every day. Wonderful of you to tell him to do his own research, btw.
I don't think every post has to be a fully sourced expose' on some huge global conspiracy. However, when you consider that the biggest youtuber was just slandered and had his livelihood threatened by the MSM, it's still pretty big.
I think this is an appropriate place to have this kind of discussion. As the sub grows, it will absorb many different kinds of people. We should welcome conversation that brings us together.
because on the interwebs those beings called females don't exist. we are all 30 year old neck beard neats living in out parents basement while on the interwebs
Well, the biggest impact media has is through telling half-truths and thereby lies.
I don't really care too much about how an article is written anymore (democrat, liberal, sjw, etc. ) it's more the content that interests me. If you know the different type of camps that sit behind each and every message, you become immune to the stupidity they try to enforce on others.
At first, I thought it was kind of bad that the most famous man on the internet was pulling viral stunts, making YouTubers and just the righter side of the internet look worse than we already do to the mainstream media.
But now that fifty million children are seeing and understanding exactly what's happening, I think this actually might be a really good thing for the next generations.
Normally, I wouldn't condone kids following in PewDiePie's footsteps because his humor is bland, repetitive and not something I'd like to see everyday, but if the end result is that the next generation of kids are skeptical of everything they read and want to dig deeper, then he can scream his face off.
WSJ is one of the most mainstream media outlets in the entire country. It's the second or third most "mainstream" daily newspaper and has been for decades.
Almost nobody looks at WSJ Who reads newspapers? Old people.
Who runs the country? Old people.
Who read the WSJ? The old rich people that run the country.
Just so you know - WSJ has a very sophisticated online operation. WSJ isn't free because unlike the NYT and the WP, people will actually PAY to read the WSJ. It's that good.
This is hilarious, the main stream media are a bunch of retards. They just made a generation of kids skeptical of the main stream media for years to come. Think of the ripples this will enact.
Definitely. "They" should all be destroyed. "They" are ruining what should be a beautiful authoritarian revival. Down with the MSM! Down with third-party verification! Only the word of my chosen authority figure is fact!
People, e.g. my teachers, used to say, don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Sad to see that this fact applies to the news now (well, maybe it always did, but it seems like things are worse than ever. Journalistic ethics are only followed when it's convenient it seems)
What I would tell him (or what I would tell my little ones once they ask).
Well, most people watch things passively and accept everything on faith. Others watch this stuff to spot the glitches and keep tabs on what *they are showing us via their programming.
Flip it around. Trust, but verify.
And there are still others who watch that stuff knowing how fake it is because that's what they like to watch on TV for whatever reason. So even people like cooking shows. Others like documentaries.
Not sure if being 'red pilled' is a good thing or a bad thing...what is the statement you are making here? Are you glad or upset about this? Seems to me like your son is growing up and starting to think his own thoughts - this is a good thing. Secondly, (I assume you're from the US and I'm sorry if I'm incorrect) how about your President? Not a day goes by where he's not saying something like "Don't trust the media, it's fake news" ...
Remind him that you don't have to trust something in order to learn from it. We shouldn't be cutting out sources of information, just see it for what it is.
This is absolutely a point I wish more people would make. I purposefully get my news from a pretty large spread and go out of my way to include places that have known bias. The more information my mind has on just about anything, the better off my understanding will be.
If the news or Trump or anyone is lying, its better to hear the lies for yourself than to just take someone else's word for it. Everyone is calling everyone a liar these days.
Lol yep. Not to mention the claim that this 11 year old researched multiple opinions on this, and came to an "unbiased" opinion. As if an 11 year old can properly do those things.
Naw man. 11 year olds totally wanna hear about the injustice he faced. Screw talking about video games, friends, recess plans, or other child like things.
wont be long before he's taken his iron pill and pinning for the days of white people rejecting christianity and embracing the mishmash of various badly documented and poorly understood beliefs that they think european paganism was.
I think people would be surprised at what kind of constructive things kids do given access to the unlimited information available on the internet. I know that when I was 11 half of what I was googling was DBZ spoilers, but I also made my way into making my own geocities website.
It's not hard to believe an 11yo would defend his favorite celebrity in a way that the celebrity does himself. He's just following PDP's lead, not coming to that conclusion on his own.
Yes exactly. This kid is simply repeating what his idol says. The mother tries to claim he researched the topic and came to this "unbiased" conclusion. Such bullshit. Yet this is the top post on conspiracy today.
Then why is this is conspiracy? What is the conspiracy here? There isn't one. Just propaganda about the indoctrination of a child. Good parents don't force political beliefs on children too young to form their own opinions.
Shill my fucking ass: apparently my boy made a YouTube video a week ago on his thoughts about this. I appreciate and respect your skeptism, but : https://youtu.be/LnQkPzTmhB4
Get past about the 2 minute mark because he's talking about his new microphone at first.
Awwww he has such a sweet cute voice I just want to hug him. Good for him. My boyfriends nephew is 8 and can also take videos like this and forms opinions. Technology at a young age seems to help with logical reasoning and thinking. Although right now his little nephew says everything is "wacist". My boyfriend referenced to someone on tv by saying the "the black girl" and his nephew said "you can't say black that's wacist."
Why are certain people in this sub all of a sudden pushing this PeeDiPie guy on us? He's a fucking YouTuber who's using this situation for extra views. Do these ppl not realize they're being used by a greedy piece of shit Tuber to make money?
The only reason I'm still subbed is because I genuinely fear this growing group of people who are so anti-establishment (which I agree with very much to a certain extent), yet who are also vehemently against progressive ideals. While this post is ridiculous, I have a 15 year old brother who spends a lot of time on youtube/reddit who has very much been repeating a lot of alt-right rhetoric. Our parents are immigrants, I'm queer, my other brother is an artist and he's been verbalizing some really intense political ideology that sort of goes against all of us adult members of the family. I find it interesting. I think the pendulum has certainly swung in a more liberal direction in the past few years, but not even to make actual change and certainly enough to make more conservative and/or alt-righters afraid, and I'm nervous it will swing back the other way even stronger.
It really is scary. I know im going to be called an alarmist, but this is exactly the kind of propoganda Hitler jumped on to aid his rise of fascism.
They're capturing the vague feelings of resentment and distrust toward the 'powers that be', and they're putting faces on those targets. The people are smart enough to sense something is wrong, but they're not smart enough to figure out what. This is why it's so easy for them to fall into the dangerous trap of hate if there's a movement that can direct their fear for them. This is literally what Hitlers rise to power was built on, and I seriously believe we're starting to see similiar things happen.
Love how you're so Anti-Trump! Better push T_D under the brigade! This thread wasn't even about Trump, it was about some person's kid waking up to realize the news is printed with personal interests in mind.
If you go to T_D, and look at the top posts that hit r/all, T_D is being vote botted AGAINST. Their r/all posts ALWAYS are at 50% upvoted.
I'll list most of the GIANT RETARDED LIBERAL VOTE BOTTING SHAREBLUE subreddits for you.
r/DonaldTrumpSucks, r/DumpTrump, r/ImpeachTrump, r/stop_trump, r/esist, r/TheResistance, r/TrumpInvestigation, r/AntiTrumpAlliance, r/NeverTrump,
r/Fuckthealtright,
r/MarchAgainstTrump, r/TrumpNicknames, /r/TaxMarch, r/ShitThe_DonaldSays, r/Trumpgret,
r/EnoughTrumpSpam, r/TinyhandsInc, r/Fat_Donald, r/BadDonald, r/DonaldTrumpSucks.
It's totally NATURAL that a lot of these subreddits are made and then a day later end up on top of r/all with TONS of upvotes.. Totally natural nothing to see.
watch the pewdiepie vids on the situation, alot of his viewers are young , its nearly definite that alot of them now dislike the media that pewds mentions alot in the vid
lol why don't you go back to making creepy comments on nsfw subreddits "I like your lack of confidence, your insecurity makes you seem obtainable". Fucking weird as hell.
Yeah, took all of 5 seconds before seeing that you made a creepy ass comment just days ago and I had enough. I don't think your views on what is pathetic are very rational given that you make pathetic and creepy comments to girls on the internet that you don't even know. But then again if other people's insecurities get you going, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not very secure with yourself.
I agree to an extent, but it's usually more of an issue of distracting you from what they don't want you to pay attention to rather than giving you false information, though that seems to have ramped up in the past few years/decade.
There was an awesome post that I think was stickied recently, x-posted from /r/criticalshowerthoughts, about the purpose of MSM being to convince a person that everyone else believes something, not to purely convince him what to believe.
Considering it in that respect, keeping up with the narrative is an important tool to be able to navigate the social sphere and how people might think. It lets you formulate conversational redpills and arguments, research approaches that you can take to back up your claims, etc.
I look at it like this. I don't trust everything the media says. I trust them to inform of what's going on but not to inform me of what conclusions i should reach or believe. If there was a school shooting that happened then i would turn to the news to get an idea of what happened. After that, i take to the Internet to research exactly how it happened and what the news got wrong. But honestly, it seems i get all my news from the web now or from word of mouth since i don't use FB or any other social media.
But in all seriousness, I think the underlying issues is that Pewdiepie was a casual kid-friendly (for the most part) YouTuber. Now, he sort of red pilled himself to try to fit in with Filthy Frank, Idubbbz, H3H3 etc. So, to sort of stop the red-pilling I suggest you just filter what he watches? Or possibly let him know that what they are saying is all satire and that you should not take it seriously.
When the whole PewDiePie thing came out I had only seen him a couple of times, but it didn't quite sit right with me. So I went to the best source I had... a 14yo daughter that watched him.
She explained what really happened and said it was all blown out of proportion and was completely misconstrued. Didn't take long for me to validate it based on his videos.
It was really dumb to create a false outrage around someone with so many followers and so much available information, it did completely change how my kids perceive the media.
He made a video making fun of the far right but people took it as him being anti-semitic and started calling him a racist when the original video was made to insult racism. The far right has latched on to him even though he was always a moderate and now theres like a slight tug of war with PewDiePie still insulting both sides of the spectrum.
His opinion isn't monumental, but he is regarded as probably the most popular YouTuber. His target audience is basically gamers, but I believe the majority of his viewers are under 18.
He recently started to make videos that are more "honest" with himself, and wanted to use his influence to combat racism. The media ran with it but takes tiny clips or pictures with no context from these videos to make him seem anti-semitic. I think even the NYT is running with these false accusations.
Part of the reason it's getting a lot of traction as well is because he had a deal in the works to have a TV show with Disney, and Disney had to pull out of the deal because of the anti-Semitic claims whether they were true or not.
AHHHH ok ok..spot on explanation sir! I had heard of him and to be honest found him kinda annoying, and as a gamer I'd say his target audience is definitely under 18
Part of the reason it's getting a lot of traction as well is because he had a deal in the works to have a TV show with Disney, and Disney had to pull out of the deal because of the anti-Semitic claims whether they were true or not.
It's a bit more than that. Allegedly, failstream media published their crap and contacted the guys sponsors to hurt him.
I'm sure someone here can give you a better or more clear description... but the jist of it is this:
it's a reference from the Matrix when Morpheus offers Neo the option to take the blue pill and go back to his fake world plugged into the matrix, or take the red pill and go down the rabbit hole.
It's kind of a term from waking you up from the fake reality of something you are exposed to.
You should applaud your son for not allowing himself to be brainwashed by the mainstream media news' agenda. Only idiots believe without question what billionaire controlled corporations tell them.
Im not sure if your 11 year old son should be watching pewdiepie. He swears and often makes sexual references in his style of comedy. There's nothing wrong with this kind of personality, but a kid like him should watch regular cartoons instead.
What the heck does that have to do with Red Pill? I thought that was a term used for misogynistic, gym, tan, women manipulating, sexist, alpha males. At least the subreddit on reddit is built around those...
misogynistic, gym, tan, women manipulating, sexist, alpha males
Bullshit. The guys who post in /r/TheRedPill don't get nearly the attention from women that misogynistic, gym, tan woman manipulating sexist alpha males get.
I really don't have anything to gain by making this up. I am a casual Reddit user and am not even entirely sure what having high karma points does to benefit me on here.
Wait, actually I did figure out what was most sad about the situation. Instead of your son taking this lesson as "your actions and words have consequences" he took it as "people I like couldn't have done something wrong, therefore people are lying about it." And then you patted him and yourself on the back for it.
Shitty people don't care that they're breeding more shitty people unfortunately. All we can hope is that the kid is smart enough to reject his retarded mom's worldview when he gets older.
Not sticking up for mainstream media. I'm sticking up for making your own decisions. ACTUALLY making your own decisions, not saying something because someone you look up to thinks that way.
Talking about a kid bro. That may as well be the definition of being a kid. We all go through that phase. Some of us never come out of it, but we all go through it. It's the same reason college students often idolize their professors. The first person to convince us that the world is not what it seems, we usually follow them blindly for a while.
The child most likely had seen the PDP videos that the MSM was taking out of context to form a narrative. Then he concluded that they were in fact portraying him falsely. Everyone in this thread saying the kid was blindly following someone are probably blindly following someone.
Haha the response should have been, if the msm is reporting on celebrities and their personal beliefs then ignore it and read actual news that uses facts and doesnt take sides.
They wrote the piece on pewdiepie because he has a huge fan base and they new it would be shared in the social media (the real cesspool of fake news) it blew up on them but still got tons of exposure so i guess it worked.
He told me that he doesn't trust them after the PewDiePie situation and that I shouldn't either.
"You shouldn't trust 'the media' (as if that's a single entity without widely varying opinions, agendas, and methodologies) but you should totally trust some millionaire gaming YouTuber's political opinions."
People feel like they're woke now but the media just has you in circles taking about some kid on YouTube while the world burns. It's all just part of the plan.
And everyone clapped.
Geez wtf is up with your posts. You're a lesbian married to a man, your best friend is a man who is the father of your children and he also has a girlfriend. Sounds like you need a "red pill".
Thats even worse. Not only do you react positively to your child unquestionably believing some internet personality because it fits your world view they do not even have a father. I worry for your children.
Children raised by single parents are usually worse off, I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that. Secondly there is no way an eleven year old can fully grasp the whole situation with pewdiepie. Children will believe what an authority figure, or even someone older they look up to, tells them. Look at all the young people myself included who go/went to college and amass crippling debt for an increasingly small chance of a payoff, because their parents and teachers said so.
aised by single parents are usually worse off, I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that. Secondly there is no way an eleven year old can fully grasp the whole situation with pewdiepie.
actually they can.... media is dishonest and has an agenda, therefore they are not trustworthy. it's that simple. we could all learn a thing or two from kids sometimes
They do have a father. He's very involved in their lives and sees them 6 days a week. Instead of just having a sperm donor, I chose to have my best friend father my children. We co-parent 1,000 times better than divorced parents.
Anyone who uses the phrase "red pilled" shouldn't be allowed anywhere fucking NEAR children. That's beyond fucked up to raise them to be anti-semetic. And don't try to say it's anything but, I've read tons of r/alt-reich posts and they literally show pictures of jews being gassed and celebrate.
When I was really young, my father and I stopped along side of the road as a tractor trailer was burning on the highway. We watched from the over pass as it burned for a half hour. We could see the whole thing. It was a lone auto involved in the accident and no one was injured. We know this because we spoke to a few police officers who were just hanging around. That night we get home and pop on the news. Sure enough, they run the story. Only in this "story" a few cars were involved (even though they showed footage of the ONE truck burning) and people were hurt. I was quite confused so I changed to a different news channel and waited for their "story". Same truck burning, only this time no other cars were involved but the driver was dead. I was 7 years old. I have never fully trusted anything the news has told me since then. That shit opened my eyes WIDE. They lied to sensationalize a very boring story. For no real reason other than to keep people watching. Fuck the news.
Reffering to "redpilled"? Thanks for being a voice of reason the alt-reich is the stupidest shit i've ever seen, AND completely condradictory to conspiracy culture.
Okay did something change or does the term "red pill" no longer refer to something about dominating women, and is now back to being something about the Matrix?
There is a difference between not trusting main stream media and not watching it entirely. If you isolate where you get your news from (watching MSNBC instead of Fox News and vice versa) then you're simply trusting a different organization with the same goal of sensationalizing what you hear to keep you watching. IIrc PewDiePie made a video talking about how the MSM has lied, and chances are if your son says that he doesn't trust the media, it's because he watched that video and trusts PewDiePie. However, this is just my take based on this post.
No. WSJ redpilled your son. they just demonstrated to 50 million fucking kids how you can take things out of context and build a public case against someone and railroad them for clicks.
Stop being an SJW no one red pilled your son. The media said pewdiepie was a Nazi for literally making a joke....CNN as well as a few other news sources do indeed put out fake news, your 11 year old is smarter than you I'm afraid..
If he should ever get into trouble, force him to read WashingtonPost online for about 15mins., no more than that though, don't want to see you get into trouble for child abuse.
Are you absolutely sure you're his mother? I mean... for all I know you could actually be part of the main stream media, trying to trick us all into believing you're a mother, when in reality you're not?
I had my nephew come up to me while watching a minecraft LPer. He took his headphones off, looked me in the eye and said "Hey uncle Stuwey, what's rape?" I wasn't going to be the one to explain any definition to him so his parents, but I told him that its not a good word, find another person to watch, and ask his parents.
I admit, I could have gone with the "That's just what you say when you win really well" and sidestepped the whole conversation, but the last thing I need is them saying that anywhere..
I have no doubt that youtuber opinions can be the first time that children consider certain subjects in a serious way. They will only hear one side of the conversation, and form their own ideas with those opinions.
Then I don't understand how you can think it's friendly to Bannon. I'm saying this as someone who has read it for decades myself, long before Newscorp (which really didn't change the journalism much - except for cases like this.)
If you read the excellent Bloomberg article from 2015, you'll see the range in his tactics. He plants articles in top publications that are designed to push core narratives that are presented in a concentrated manner on his site. This is a "don't trust the MSM" narrative aimed at ruling up the Gen Z audience to prep for 2020. WSJ editors are very receptive to GOP side of the aisle, and that is Bannon's aisle now. All it takes is one friendly journalist there, who can easily sell it to the more traditional leadership because it's a story of a new media failure.
I of course have no proof of this, however, if I were "America's most dangerous political operative", I would have absolutely planted that story, with the intention of turning PewDiePie's massive Gen Z audience against the media early. Maybe he's not that good though.
They do nothing but lie and form the degenerate narrative they try to enforce. And do nothing but shape public opinion and manipulate those who listen to it.
Philip de Franco another big one on youtube hinted he was snubbed for not endorsing a certain... Hillary campaign. Rumor is he was not the only one, big youtubers were harassed with supporting her and those who did not comply were ear marked to be targeted...PEWDIEPIE commanding 53 million subs was seen as threat they could not control. Hence the WSJ coordinated take down of his career by specifically attacking all his corporate shows, literally everything except he was doing including pressuring Youtube to demonetise his youtube account. Google was not that stupid to demonetise their largest money maker on Youtube.
Completely taken out of context. thatsthejoke.jpg. he's just sheep following Party B instead of pre-choosing the candidate and then be rewarded by voters for it.
Not gonna lie to you, that unintentional twist ending made me laugh and then realize I'm passively sexist. I choose social conditioning as my defense and also apologize a lot.
She explained what really happened and what the president is doing, promise to reverse all of a term from the right, are now having to understand what you're looking at.
I share a home with my sister, both of us adults and she has two boys. 8 and 10 years old.
They are completely aware of everything on youtube. The know about Pie and the "fake news" against him, as they say it.
They get outraged as dumb advertising policies regarding youtube and follow all those hot political topics regarding free speech around their favorite youtube stars.
Today I am standing in line at the grocery store with him after picking him up from school. So he see the tabloids and other magazines and instantly says "tonight, find out about JfKs unborn baby with Marilyn Monroe, was he cheating on Jackie, poor poor Jackie, tonight on Fake News Live Broadcast"
I just said "wow dude, pretty good improve man" then he points so a half naked woman and asks "how do parents explain this to their kids?", to which I replied "there is nothing wrong with the human body, its a beautiful thing, don't be to immature", I mean, he is 10 and still thinks kissing is gross, which it is.
Anyway, I knew more then adults thought when I was 10 and I didnt have the internet. These guys growing up, for better or worst have access to so much more eye opening examples about how the world is functioning.
I'm skeptical about the pewdiepie thing, the man has amassed 50 million followers, a feat that I don't think anyone can do without working for the establishment. I think the goal with that story is to create skepticism when hearing shocking news. If the "real" media lies and slanders people for profit than I definitely can't trust any alternative news source reporting on the affairs of the elite. I think the goal is to make the public feel like no news source can be trusted and that "jumping to conclusion" can be dangers and will hurt innocent people.
They have fun songs, fun lyrics, had a couple albums that were political, their latest album was written when the band went sober, talking about big pharma. It's not like theyre super left-wing, anarcho, Zionist punk rock. It's fucking NoFX.
They are all generally compatible. JIDF and hasbara are the same thing, CTR and ShareBlue are the same thing (actually funded by the same people, ShareBlue is just CTR post-Clinton campaign) and Soros is basically the grandfather of "progressive astroturf."
Or how awful people lump in everything every white person did on all white people. It's not like it's meaning is set in stone. It's a song and open to interpretation. That's one of the nice things about music and literature.
Im not disagreeing with that at all. I'm just trying to show you, differences in power structures currently are non-consequential and motivated completely like money, same as before.
WSJ is one of the most mainstream media outlets in the entire country. It's the second or third most "mainstream" daily newspaper and has been for decades.
These aren't mutually exclusive... Neither one should be seen as infallible and both should be held accountable. The fanaticism of politics now has made divide and conquer so much easier.
MSM believes they were successful as pewdiepie had lost an upcoming contract for some type of show with disney.
No he lost an existing contract with Maker (or polaris i forget) and that company is owned by Disney. They went to Disney and from there the executive order passed down for the contract to be cancelled or something of the like.
But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech.
Yep, I subbed to him after I saw his reaction video.
Almost nobody looks at WSJ Who reads newspapers? Old people.
Who runs the country? Old people.
Who read the WSJ? The old rich people that run the country.
Just so you know - WSJ has a very sophisticated online operation. WSJ isn't free because unlike the NYT and the WP, people will actually PAY to read the WSJ. It's that good.
But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech.
Are you somehow suggesting that Disney doesn't have to right to exercise a termination clause likely in PewDiePie's contract? Do you really think Disney should not retain the right to curate their brand and tailor it to their markets?
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
So you've been white knighting about Disney refusing to buy a product? You do realize that's what you're doing right? In what way do you think you have been "protecting free speech" by trying to make Disney continue to pay PewDiePie.
You people are a joke and this sub is a joke. I never thought /r/conspiracy would fall so far to forget what freedom of speech does.
I totally get what you're saying but if the constitution already protects you from freedom of speech
See, that goes back to your first comment:
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
The constitution only protects us from government censorship of speech. But people have all matter of legal ways to limit somebody's speech, some acceptable (to me), some not.
I know that if nobody could ever get any platform to let them say shit that isn't "approved", then free speech is de facto dead, but I also know that if everybody could say whatever they want on prime time national tv, that would be insanely disruptive and perfectly unfeasible.
There is a balancing act involved, and in my (and a hell of a lot of other people's) opinion, disney is on the wrong side of that balancing act. Most buy the excuse used, that it was a business decision, but I don't. It was a business decision, but that's not an excuse. Disney is still in my view on the wrong side of the balancing act and there should be some sort of negative consequences for that.
I'm not one to fall victim to the fallacy that everything has to be full on or full off, I'm not going to full on boycott them, because this isn't nearly bad enough to warrant that, and because I don't even consume much of their content. however, in my head, I'm going to remember this, and if I'm ever given a choice to buy something they make money off of vs an alternative version that they don't make money off of, I take this into account.
Yeah, took all of 5 seconds before seeing that you made a creepy ass comment just days ago and I had enough. I don't think your views on what is pathetic are very rational given that you make pathetic and creepy comments to girls on the internet that you don't even know. But then again if other people's insecurities get you going, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not very secure with yourself.
The only thing at this point in my mind is there is a whole bunch of conjecture the smells of a witch hunt to me where people are making up the facts to fit a story they've already decided was true.
Yea... I dunno how people even come to some of the conclusions they reach. It is like they don't understand that weird people go around doing weird art-type stuff. I know the people who run a couple of the instagrams theyve used as "Proof". The minute I saw that and saw how they just went searching to confirm what they believed was clear
I'm fairly certain that pizzagate also started on 4chan. Which means it is almost certainly a troll. Do you remember like eon8 and stuff like that? The internet has gotten people good before.
I agree with you on pewdiepie. I doubt they felt "threatened" by him, as people say. Disney cannot be tied in with Walts beliefs anyway, cause like you said, he is dead. Then there is the fact that Disney's entire image is being wholesome and whatnot. That is their thing for the most part.
While i agree that a company has the right to save face, i don't think people would consider youtube mainstream media. It pulls mainstream numbers, which i think the media is afraid of but i wouldn't turn to youtube for the news.
God bless PewDiePie, really. He should be worshipped like Jesus. Just like this whole thread. This level of adulation is worthy of a man swearing at 11 year olds through ipads. You people are really sad and disgusting to kiss ass like this.
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n/a PhrenicAcid 2017-02-27
That is fantastic. Think about the grass roots level red-pilling that has happened in the last year. It has been a powerful event. You can see the cracks forming simply by reading the headlines.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I get it. The best part is that my son is very influential amongst his big group of friends. So I know that he will spread this idea along.
n/a DaFetacheeseugh 2017-02-27
Never thought I would think of pie in good light
n/a SadaoMaou 2017-02-27
His content has really improved druing the past over a year or so. Back when he was making all those Amnesia videos I remember thinking "yeah this guy is cancer" and the just kind of forgot about him, until a while ago someone linked me one of his newer videos and I was like "what the hell, Pewdiepie makes good content now"
n/a Werpogil 2017-02-27
I was in the same situation. Stumbled upon his 10minute video response to allegations. Solid stuff overall, although his general content isn't my sort of thing
n/a Expleto 2017-02-27
I still view Pewdiepie as annoying and I'm not a fan of his, but recently I've grown to really respect him as a person. He does comedy that isn't to my taste but his ideologies and practices (based on what I've seen) are positive.
Good content yes, just not my taste and that's fair. Still massive amounts of respect .
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
If only more people were like you
n/a D0nt_Ban_M3_Fam 2017-02-27
im like him!
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
God bless PewDiePie, really. He should be worshipped like Jesus. Just like this whole thread. This level of adulation is worthy of a man swearing at 11 year olds through ipads. You people are really sad and disgusting to kiss ass like this.
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
sour grapes
n/a DaFetacheeseugh 2017-02-27
I respect the YouTubers as I would any tv show host (I.e. channels). It's a personality.
n/a 14TheLand 2017-02-27
Ehh his content is just reacting to stuipid youtube stuff now, It's still childish
n/a ThatParkerKid 2017-02-27
I mean, he's always been a really great guy, he just recently started to outgrow his own content.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
Can you provide even one example please?
n/a FreyWill 2017-02-27
link?
n/a Ricwulf 2017-02-27
He's kinda always been like that. Felix is a great dude. PewDiePie is his persona which is just annoying to most older people.
The reason we never saw it during his Amnesia: The Dark Descent days is because he rarely ever dropped that persona, it was only visible through other videos (I remember watching one where he was talking about marketing and analytics), and it's only been in the past 2 years that he's started making Felix videos, and not just PewDiePie videos.
n/a PM_Me_Yo_Tits_Grrl 2017-02-27
wtf i love pewdiepie now
n/a moco94 2017-02-27
Never thought I would think of pie in any light.. think I saw a clip of his walking dead play through once and next thing I know he's saving our youth aha
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
It's not enough to denounce the existing media, you have to do something worthwhile with the alternative.
n/a PrincessOfDrugTacos 2017-02-27
Same, i thought he was part of the mind controlling garbage they are pushing everyone. He obviously pushed a lot of products on children for money, but this makes up for it 100x. I'm glad he's stepping up.
n/a DaFetacheeseugh 2017-02-27
Well, it is a job.
n/a butteredfingernails 2017-02-27
His general content can be a bit repelling at times, but if you manage to watch enough of it you'll catch glimpses of him being a pretty cool dude. He's the kind of person who'll stick up for the little guy, who's genuinely interested in what his fans are up to, and who doesn't take life or himself too seriously. All nestled neatly between a bunch of screaming, cursing, and crude humor. He's the perfect vessel for red pilling kids.
n/a CinzTheKitteh 2017-02-27
He began to annoy me towards the end of last year. His stuff was just filled with juvenile sex and dick jokes. Unsubbed and stayed unsubbed.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
OP's son is 11.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-02-27
Could I get an ELI5 on this PewDiePie thing? The only thing I know about the guy is that he's famous on YouTube. What exactly has he done to redpill the internet?
n/a Kjartan_Aurland 2017-02-27
They tried to destroy him for making anti-Semitic jokes. Instead they turned an entire generation of kids who loved him against them.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-02-27
Is there a specific video of his I need/should watch?
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
Sargon has a good round up in his style.
n/a nobodysharp 2017-02-27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTCDfE_sKnM
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-02-27
Thanks
n/a BaggaTroubleGG 2017-02-27
Funny that the YouTube video has twice as many views as WSJ's readership, most of which will never trust that rag again. Having said that though, the smear against him across all media probably reached hundreds of millions (it was reported across TV, radio and other newspapers worldwide).
n/a Hedge55 2017-02-27
He's with Pepe now :(
n/a lordthat100188 2017-02-27
So a hero and symbol of how the media an their """handlers""" abuse reality in order to push a narrative? Seems like a smiley face moment to me
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
Wow, maybe he'll blow you someday.
n/a lordthat100188 2017-02-27
We can only hope.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
Who is?
n/a Trumpologist 2017-02-27
KEK is mercyful
n/a Tvisbadforyou 2017-02-27
Praise KEK
n/a D0nt_Ban_M3_Fam 2017-02-27
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
n/a Bankonthis 2017-02-27
PRAISE KEK
n/a Bankonthis 2017-02-27
PRAISE KEK
n/a Kiwizqt 2017-02-27
the first one is almost at 16 million views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU
n/a Ganjaleaves 2017-02-27
https://youtu.be/lwk1DogcPmU here's his first response
n/a bassistciaran 2017-02-27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzEt8U3Of2k
3rd party. Most complete summary youll get.
n/a mjh808 2017-02-27
I think this one is more relevant than the other you were provided with.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU
n/a areyouhungryforapple 2017-02-27
The h3h3productions video is really good
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
The one where he teaches 11 year olds about fucking and cursing.
n/a co_matic 2017-02-27
So he's an anti-Semite?
n/a myredditaccount222 2017-02-27
No
n/a dsons 2017-02-27
It's the same as how some people think the ruling class is white, then treat them different because they see them as a threat to their security... the actual ruling class is a sect of Judaism so alot of people who are misinformed deem all Jewish people part of the problem when in reality that belief is just as destructive.
n/a lKyZah 2017-02-27
no he's a youtuber making edgy jokes
n/a This_is_my_phone_tho 2017-02-27
One antisemitic joke. the other 8 examples were non-issues.
unless we're really going to start calling a hitler transition with weeb music or a psa telling people to stop building swastikas as antisemitic.
n/a Stunner900 2017-02-27
The bro army is bigger than the Pepe army. Media beware.......
n/a brandonleethelegend 2017-02-27
The media wanted to get 40,000+ people mad. Because it's not really the "liberal media"
n/a commenter37892 2017-02-27
So pewdiepie is significantly more popular than most people on earth, not just youtube. He has a following of 53 million people where he can technically say anything. The wall street journal finds this scary, and attempted to assassinate his character by skimming through hundreds of his videos and taking "nazi jokes" completely out of context. MSM believes they were successful as pewdiepie had lost an upcoming contract for some type of show with disney. But instead, his subscriber count only grew, and made people like me who were originally indifferent to pewdiepie, rally behind protecting free speech. While simultaneously discrediting mainstream jorunalism.
n/a DigitalDuelist 2017-02-27
No he lost an existing contract with Maker (or polaris i forget) and that company is owned by Disney. They went to Disney and from there the executive order passed down for the contract to be cancelled or something of the like.
n/a beckerist 2017-02-27
Therefore he lost an upcoming contract for some type of show [owned by] Disney. Way to semantics!
n/a butterscotchwarrior 2017-02-27
What are you, anti-semamtic?
n/a Ducksaucenem 2017-02-27
It was ONE joke about literature did nothing wrong. Completely taken out of context.
n/a D0nt_Ban_M3_Fam 2017-02-27
thatsthejoke.jpg
n/a Micro-Naut 2017-02-27
he's just being a pedant not a semant
n/a Essx_ 2017-02-27
He lost the renewal of a second season of his YouTube red series
n/a DigitalDuelist 2017-02-27
Miss information is very dangerous. Maybe Im dense but I didnt get that from what was said, so I ckarified.
n/a girlwithmangotattoo 2017-02-27
He lost "Scare PewDiePie," which is a YouTube Red show, not Disney.
n/a commenter37892 2017-02-27
thanks for the correction
n/a Stoppels 2017-02-27
Yep, I subbed to him after I saw his reaction video.
n/a Sittin_on_a_toilet 2017-02-27
Same here! Heard about the situation, watched his response videos (which were pretty damn good), then immediately went and subscribed.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
You fell for his publicity stunt. Nice job.
n/a Epuration 2017-02-27
What was the reaction video called?
n/a Stoppels 2017-02-27
Here it is!
n/a Epuration 2017-02-27
thanks
n/a RECOGNIZABLE_NAME- 2017-02-27
the media doesn't like it when you insult jewish people. It's basically against the rules to be a public figure that says bad things about the jews.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE
n/a destraht 2017-02-27
He is probably just upgrading his maturity since his viewer base has aged.
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
Are you somehow suggesting that Disney doesn't have to right to exercise a termination clause likely in PewDiePie's contract? Do you really think Disney should not retain the right to curate their brand and tailor it to their markets?
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
So you've been white knighting about Disney refusing to buy a product? You do realize that's what you're doing right? In what way do you think you have been "protecting free speech" by trying to make Disney continue to pay PewDiePie.
You people are a joke and this sub is a joke. I never thought /r/conspiracy would fall so far to forget what freedom of speech does.
n/a mindyourfknmanners 2017-02-27
Where did that person say anything about Disney's rights, boycotting their products, or forcing them into contracts?
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
Exactly? That's what I'm trying to say. How is he protecting free speech when his whole comment is unrelated to freedom of speech?
n/a monarchmra 2017-02-27
You see, thats a double edge sword argument.
If Disney has a right to not like pewdiepie or the negative publicity, I have a right to not like Disney for being that shallow.
The mistake you made is synthesist. You yourself constructed a link between the phrase "protecting free speech" and the constitutional amendment that does the same thing. No such link exists.
People are allowed to have their own set of values outside of the constitution, and if somebody wants to say that corporations falling victim to fear tactics and mccarthyism and canceling somebody for what they said violates their values for what free speech means to them, that is also their right.
Thats the bit you don't get, Disney has a right to cancel pewdiepie, and I have the right to say that doing that is bad.
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
Disney likes $$$. Not surprising, I do to. Disney has to continue to service it's loyal worldwide customer base. They had a contracted employee publically make a joke about jews. If the needle moves forecasted Net Income, they may want to course correct. That's all they did. And PDD is not even close to .01% of their revenue. Easiest business decision they've ever made
You're so very right!
You can do that all you like. I encourage you to do it loudly and proudly. It'll help me know to steer clear in public. That's why you're all confined in this one safe space fighting for free speech?
It took me a hot minute to actually digest this... Hypothetical" So if /r/conspiracy won the 2078 election, would you enact legistlature to make a more permanent solution, and if no, what's the point of pointing fingers and making a futile argument that fails under circular reference.
If I understand correctly, you just want to yell at the people you don't like? (MSM)
You very much have a right to yell and point at people, just please don't be surprised when you're all labeled crazy because you gather and call the people not in your group crazy...
n/a monarchmra 2017-02-27
Its funny you don't understand, even though you made the argument for me:
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
Mind clarifying for me? I asked you a question and you just replied that I don't understand. Help me to.
Wait wait wait.... Seriously? Are you saying it's bad because it's meant to give negative reaction? How were you hurt by this personally? So essentially, you're angry with the MSM because they hurt your feelings and/or made you feel invalidated.
This is a riot man.
n/a monarchmra 2017-02-27
No, i'm saying my disagreement over disney cancelling pewdiepie is designed to give a negative reaction to disney for doing so, as a point of data for them to consider next time
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
I had to reply again since I honestly just can't believe this paragraph. I totally get what you're saying but if the constitution already protects you from freedom of speech... why are do you need the validation from the public who may or may not agree with you.
Your argument boils down to:
You are mad other private entities exercising the right to freedom of speech because you think it's wrong and without evidence have no legal or ethical ground to stand on. You're pissing into the wind and proud of it. It's honestly sad
n/a monarchmra 2017-02-27
See, that goes back to your first comment:
The constitution only protects us from government censorship of speech. But people have all matter of legal ways to limit somebody's speech, some acceptable (to me), some not.
I know that if nobody could ever get any platform to let them say shit that isn't "approved", then free speech is de facto dead, but I also know that if everybody could say whatever they want on prime time national tv, that would be insanely disruptive and perfectly unfeasible.
There is a balancing act involved, and in my (and a hell of a lot of other people's) opinion, disney is on the wrong side of that balancing act. Most buy the excuse used, that it was a business decision, but I don't. It was a business decision, but that's not an excuse. Disney is still in my view on the wrong side of the balancing act and there should be some sort of negative consequences for that.
I'm not one to fall victim to the fallacy that everything has to be full on or full off, I'm not going to full on boycott them, because this isn't nearly bad enough to warrant that, and because I don't even consume much of their content. however, in my head, I'm going to remember this, and if I'm ever given a choice to buy something they make money off of vs an alternative version that they don't make money off of, I take this into account.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
So his publicity stunt succeeded and this sub is helping him further in his marketing, that's nice.
n/a Chokingzombie 2017-02-27
There is a really good interview with Joe Rogan where they talk about it; it's very informative.
Note: He's not interviewing PewDiePie, but one of his friends that is also a streamer but knows a lot of information on the subject.
Link
n/a SoupboysLLC 2017-02-27
Now that your son understand there are two sides to all news stories, you can remind him that it's important to be updated from the news but also to keep a sharp mind in formulating opinions from given information.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
Let's all give OP a round of applause for letting her son watch a bunch of swearing and immature fuck-talk. A+ parenting. This was worth 3000 upvotes.
n/a Shirovera 2017-02-27
I watch PewDiePie a lot too. Sort of embarrassing a grown women watches PewDiePie religiously.. but I do ._. and he was the reason I made the "The Mainstream Media lies to you, proof here" link on the side.
The whole situation pisses me off enough that I'm documenting every media lie I find.
n/a dwolfe447 2017-02-27
For a youtuber he and h3h3 are the only ones I know I will watch the whole video. He's a great content creator for sure. He's matured a lot into a person who's creating intelligently smart videos about stupid topics.. I might be in bro love with him
n/a the_bluebird 2017-02-27
Nice, I just recognized your username and realized you're the person who wrote "the MSM lies to you, here's proof." Nice list! Easy to share amongst the more impressionable, great job!
n/a David_SunflowerSeed2 2017-02-27
Hang on, do you mean to say that your son has been red-pilled is a good thing? I've always understood the concept of red-pilling to mean that you have successfully manipulated those of opposing viewpoints (like it's roots which mean men successfully manipulating women [(and don't get me wrong, I don't believe that men and women are natural opponents, that's fucking dumb]) over to your own viewpoints through means of psychological manipulation.
n/a walterwhiteknight 2017-02-27
Red pilling is a term used to mean "waking up". It's derived from the movie The Matrix. Any other use of the term is misuse of the term. You are wrong about its roots.
n/a David_SunflowerSeed2 2017-02-27
Ok I give you that that is where r/theredpill got it's name. But the entire philosophy of that sub is based on the foundational understanding that men and women are natural competitors, and it teaches men how to "win" in a relationship. It's not a healthy mentality at all. I just celebrated my Grandma and Grandpa's 60th anniversary this past Saturday. Believe me when I say, my Grandpa has never and will never learn the philosophy that r/trp preaches
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
You were spot on, up until a few months ago, when red-pilling has taken a new meaning, similar to "woke".
n/a David_SunflowerSeed2 2017-02-27
Thank you! There seems to be a lot of right wing fanatics trying to change the meaning of words on reddit anymore.
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
The TRP guys haven't been relevant for a long while, and the_donald tide has rolled in hard, but yeah... "redpill" in the sense that you knew it is now "MRA" or "mens rights activism".
n/a David_SunflowerSeed2 2017-02-27
Oh yeah it's been that way for a while. I've been on reddit since 2009. MRA seemed to spring up from redpill ideology, but cited controversial court cases in order to garner a debate with their redpill interpretation of the case. As a result, it seems that their degenerative ideology has become normalized enough to be a meme. It's insane.
n/a duhblow7 2017-02-27
the term red pill was around since 2004 way before /r/trp. it was like /r/trp co-oped the term and left wing fanatics are trying to link it to alt-right. that doesn't work if you took the red pill.
n/a duhblow7 2017-02-27
to me redpill has nothing to do with /r/trp just like christianity has nothing to do with westboro baptist church. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square.
the red pill is an ideological difference. most specifically it is when a liberal ideology turns into a more conservative ideology due to a life experience.
if somebody was against having a gun but then was a victim of a violent crime and decides to purchase a gun and take gun classes, they have been red pilled.
just because people use the term for the past few years to describe a dating ideology that is not about being a "nice guy" and is more about the DENNIS system still fits the definition. They don't get to co-op the terminology.
n/a walterwhiteknight 2017-02-27
My other account hit six years recently. I do know about trp. The term "red pilled" only means trp IN trp. That's it. Among sane people, it means waking up. Like in The Matrix.
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
This is so cringey
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
I'd wager its fake bullshit. Or this person is literally brainwashing their child. Although that happens regardless of peoples political leanings so thats not really fair.
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
It's more like really good satire, which doesn't exist on the internet. "Redpilling" a group of kids could easily be read as "indoctrinating" and people eat it up because it's their ideology.
n/a wiseclockcounter 2017-02-27
Redpilling someone is essentially about revealing that they were unwittingly indoctrinated in the first place though. Redpilling is about offering the counter argument to the corrupted official narrative. It's all about critical thinking. You will not find more substantive debate and free exchange of ideas than you will among a group of people that have fundamentally become skeptics. Yes, there is a prevailing counter narrative that develops, but it's basically a byproduct of the mainstream narrative.
There is nothing more productive than having a generation of kids who question authority in the pursuit of truth. (note: questioning authority is not the same as rejecting it)
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
I don't disagree with you, but this story was a very shitty illustration of that.
n/a wiseclockcounter 2017-02-27
It was deleted by the time I got here, so I'll admit there's probably something I'm missing. my comments were made on principle. What was off about it?
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
Kid gets pissed that his favorite youtuber is portrayed negatively. He finds this out in his favorite youtuber's reaction video. Repeats his newfound anger at journalism writ large to his mother. Mother is very proud, this sub jerks off.
If you see in the thread a comment about her son's large group of friends that he has influence over, it's word for word what the mom wrote.
n/a shrekisdreck 2017-02-27
Agreed. Also, why are people circlejerking over an 11 y/o listening to what their favorite Youtuber is telling them? Your kid isn't "red-pilled" (nor should he be at age 11); your kid just listened to someone he looks up to.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Are you shitting me, lady?
n/a Rayfloyd 2017-02-27
They've lost Generation Z, forever.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
who is they?
btw everyone this sub has been linked to from the_donald so expect brigading.
n/a Ferfrendongles 2017-02-27
Why do you even hang out here. Everything you say is counter to the spirit of the sub.
n/a EtCustodIpsosCustod 2017-02-27
It's the left's interesting new strategy in recent years to oppose hate, promote empathy and bring people together: be anti-Trump/Republican/conservative/fascist.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
please explain what "the spirit of the sub" is and why I am an "outsider" because I brought up this post was linked to from the_donald
very curious why you think that makes me an "outsider"
n/a Ferfrendongles 2017-02-27
I keep track of active usernames, and almost everything you say is contrary. I can't help but see that, then imagine what any of us would feel if we were to spend time on /r/politics, and I wonder why you give so very much of your time to us.
n/a Ferfrendongles 2017-02-27
Gotcha.
n/a freedombonerz 2017-02-27
they is the very fake news. The bullshit artists. The liars. Namely....CNN
n/a xedd 2017-02-27
You must go derper
n/a Rubulisk 2017-02-27
Why is it "ENOUGHTRUMP_SPAM" user shows up on so many of these conspiracy tags and injects Trump/Politics into it?
The comments section here was purely going on about Pewdie and congratulating a mother on her son calling out the MSM. Nothing partisan, but still here comes ET_S.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
if its not partisan why did the_donald link to it?
n/a HeadHunt0rUK 2017-02-27
Is this a whole pretending to be retarded thing?
n/a Hedge55 2017-02-27
http://i.imgur.com/vCVLZwu.jpg
n/a here14pede 2017-02-27
You are way more partisan than the_donald is
n/a here14pede 2017-02-27
You are way more partisan than the_donald is
n/a _dunno_lol 2017-02-27
The downvotes will continue until your attitude improves.
n/a joondori21 2017-02-27
The moment when you become the joke
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
when you listen to your 11 year old son's opinion on media credibility?
n/a Leelaroo 2017-02-27
Block anti tump spam, Reddit improves immensely. Even the trump spams never been this bad.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
What link?
Secondly, many of us actually are real people and subscribe to both subs. It's not brigading I've been on reddit for 9 years, you don't get to fucking tell me or anyone else what subs we're allowed to use. Fuck off.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
search the_donald for this post title
i'm not telling anyone what sub they can use, i'm just tired of non-conspiracies being spammed in here
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
I don't care enough to do your research for you.
And you're the one calling us brigaders. I was here before you were. Knock that shit off.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
I did the research already. this post is linked from the_donald. its a partisan post.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
Many conspiracies are "partisan" because they involve politicians. Of course I don't expect someone called ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM to be able to approach the topic impartially.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
But you can't provide that link. So you just made it up then.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
lol
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
You're a partisan account.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
You t_d posters do that all the time, call people shills, etc.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
No I do not wish to meet you.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
Same here buddy.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
n/a RazsterOxzine 2017-02-27
Go back to your safe place shill.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
does that mean you want this to be your safe space?~
n/a RazsterOxzine 2017-02-27
*yawn
Listen, /r/The_Donald and /r/politics are calling you, go back to them.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
you're literally from the_donald, can we hang out there?
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Sorry but...
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n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
I got banned for submitting the 1999 video about Trump banning Epstein from his resort
n/a RazsterOxzine 2017-02-27
Don't worry there are still a ton of Trump subs you're welcomed at. Seeing as how you're just another shill on Reddit.
n/a creq 2017-02-27
Rule #10
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
Well no shit, you're a troll account. That username says it all
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
If my username was MORE_TRUMP_PLZ would you also say that?~
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
Yup. Both sides definitely have some ridiculous trolls, there's no debating that.
n/a creq 2017-02-27
Rule #10: This is your warning.
n/a Sharkytrs 2017-02-27
I dunno kids just seem to be a little more aware, my daughter was coming out with one about Rapunzel and Elsa being sisters the other day, and had compelling evidence, lol
n/a Red_Tricks 2017-02-27
I've seen the video on that, imagine she was probably searching for Frozen stuff and came upon that video.
n/a DepletedMitochondria 2017-02-27
A lot of things that were formerly out of the mainstream are now fully mainstreamed after last year, it's crazy. Like people actually know who Soros is and what he does now.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Fnord.
n/a breakfast_organisms 2017-02-27
Damn Soros and his conspiracy to inform the electorate! Down with MSM! If it didn't come from my chosen authority figure's mouth, it is not fact!!!!
n/a EverOrange 2017-02-27
Is it a conspiracy or a just a social construct?
n/a Drinkycrow84 2017-02-27
Grass roots? Maybe. Astroturfing? Maybe. It sure has ruffled society's feathers and is making some people skeptical. At least it's not passive acceptance of bad shit because "the greater good" and all that authoritarian nonsense.
n/a Sulemain123 2017-02-27
You're crazy, but that's the norm for this shitstorm of a subreddit.
n/a FunkyFreakyFresh 2017-02-27
Yes thank God we have a president that tells us to trust him and only him, nothing to worry about there/s
n/a PhrenicAcid 2017-02-27
At no point did I mention the president. Red pill does not mean red for Republican, it's an alagory for the red pill that neo takes to help him see outside of the matrix, the false world we filed ourselves thinking is reality.
n/a FunkyFreakyFresh 2017-02-27
Oh I know, and it's been unfortunately taken by the male rights activists too.
It's a joke on "not trusting the mainstream news" which lately has become a"fake news" vs what our president says argument. Mainstream news skills always be taken with a grain of salt, but collectively is still more trustworthy than a single person or internet sight or anything else prone typically point to.
Also you mentioned its your local news? I find most local news more trustworthy than big news outlets, but for local stuff off course.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
So this PewDiePie had some stupid joke on his video, and then a Jewish reporter for the WSJ went to his sponsors and tried to get them to dump him by making up some absurd like that he was a "neo-nazi" and an "anti-semite."
All over what was obviously a joke.
We have a long tradition of Jewish comedians in the country - some of the funniest people around, Larry David, Seinfeld, many more too numerous to mention. We also have black comedians like Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy and Dave Chappelle that trade in extremely edgy racial humor.
But as far as I know Jewish reporters don't go around trying to get them fired for making jokes about White people, Christians, Black people, Asian people, Latinos, LGBT, anyone.
Are Jews off limits to comedians now?
No one had a problem with Eddie Murphy's "Kill the White People" gimmick for SNL. In fact, "Kill the White People" was an actual pop punk song for a Jewish left wing band back in the 1980s.
PewDiePie isn't even political as far as I know.
Some people need to learn to take a fucking joke.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
NOFX! - Kill All The White People! They also did The Brews, about Jewish skinheads. Classic.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Yeah the two leads of NOFX are Jewish and they wrote serious anti-White, anti-European songs all the time. They are still praised in the Jewish press.
Blatant hypocrisy.
n/a DeathMetalDeath 2017-02-27
"it's not hypocrisy if it makes money" - globalist jews everywhere (unless its anti-semitic then we smear you.)
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
They also wrote "don't call me white" complaining about racism against white people.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
"I'm not White, I'm Jewish."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4MxxBoFlkM
Kind of makes their anti-white stuff just sound racist, huh?
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
No, I don't think so. But that's just like my opinion, man.
n/a pressuretobear 2017-02-27
What? This song is about white people being awful and not wanting to be lumped in with them.
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
Or how awful people lump in everything every white person did on all white people. It's not like it's meaning is set in stone. It's a song and open to interpretation. That's one of the nice things about music and literature.
n/a pressuretobear 2017-02-27
That is an interesting interpretation. I agree with the sentiment, although I disagree with the song being about racism.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
Citation needed. Some NOFX for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSb3nG4oTNQ
They would tell all the alt-reich morons to kill themselves. Probably have.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Mike
"He is of Jewish heritage"
https://infogalactic.com/info/Erik_Sandin
"Melvin is Jewish.
"They would tell all the alt-reich morons to kill themselves."
Really? Two Zionist Jews in a left-wing punk band would be racist against a European movement of people from a Christian background?
I'm like TOTALLY surprised!
/eyeroll
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
Lets hear the song? This whole continually referencing heritage and race rather than actual evidence is pretty pathetic.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Another shocker.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
Lets hear the song, you retarded racist. I'm also German and Chinese. Maybe you can use those facts instead of actually having a point or example.
You bigots are pathetic.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Have you stopped murdering Palestinian babies Chaim?
You Zionazis are pathetic.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
So, no songs. Good enough. Discussion over.
I have never been Israeli and I don't even believe in their right to exist. You are literally retarded and embarrassing yourself. I hope you don't leave your house often, because even other white supremacists would be ashamed of your inarticulate drooling.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
You sounds really hostile. Where is all that hate coming from?
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
No, I pity you guys. I even donate work for a daycare center where they take care of you. I may have to cut back the internet access though.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Do you do anything but spew racist hate? I mean your posts are just a long jumble of insults and bigotry.
I think the person you really hate is yourself.
Sad. I hope you find peace one day.
n/a RevRound 2017-02-27
Punk was my jam growing up and I loved NOFX, but sadly you are right about them and many of those other bands I grew up listening to. At some point punk went off the deep end and it wasn't just about fuck the system and do what you want, they just because hard left ideologues.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
You are retarded. Go read some lyrics and learn what sarcasm means. I was mocking you idiots. They were never fuck the system punks...
And, as always, fuck nazi punks.
n/a sushiconquistador 2017-02-27
Upvote for NOFX reference. Their music has really hit the spot during this last year!
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Listen to Cobra Skulls, specifically Ode to Jefferson and especially Ice in the night. Shit is so good and relevant even though the songs are from like 2009.
n/a sushiconquistador 2017-02-27
Just gave it a listen to... Holy. Shit. Solid recommendation, thanks!! I almost feel like I've seen them play a while back but I'm not 100% on that
n/a eSentrik 2017-02-27
NOFX fan here. nice to see some others on this sub!
n/a Taco-Time 2017-02-27
*Kill all the white man. Also they did "Don't call me white"
n/a qeadwrsf 2017-02-27
Got teenage flashbacks from just thinking about those two songs.
n/a Lint007 2017-02-27
Kill All the White *Men.
n/a stinksskc 2017-02-27
I didnt expect you to be into punk
n/a Shiny_Shedinja 2017-02-27
This song still makes me laugh
n/a Julianj204 2017-02-27
Ahhh... So your username IS a Choking V reference!
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Yes!
n/a TimMH1 2017-02-27
The Brews is the one that goes 'terrorize the goyim.' It's kind of not a laughing matter in very specific communities, but I think Fat Mike was just being a bullshitting crude asshole like he always is.
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
I think the pewdepie thing is a bit deeper a tiff with a few Jewish journalists.
It was a primer attack to paint President Trump as anti semetic.
It was the same week that the Israeli PM visited the whitehouse.
The press tried to run with the antisemitic thing but it didn't wash.
The pewdepie thing earlier in the week was an attempt to drum hostility towards antisemitism in the media then channel this hostility towards the president.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
FNORD. LOL
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
No, no, no questions, you see the deeper picture remember?
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
You're quite adept at using the narrative they've presented you. Its purposely put there so you can come to conclusion you've come to, to make you feel like you're smarter than other people. Lots of groups have been using this tactic since JFK. Its like the Moloch worship, a lovely way to breed cognitive dissonance into inquiring minds.
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
So we should just take what we are presented at face value?
Don't question what we are told?
I'm sure this suit some people's agendas but it Wouldn't be much of a conspiracy , would it ?
No fun at all.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
No, you need to go deeper. Once you've questioned enough, USE OCCAMS RAZOR and find the history of these information movements you'll start to see through the fnords. All of this has already happened several times. https://www.amazon.com/Illuminatus-Trilogy-Pyramid-Golden-Leviathan/dp/0440539811
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
Yeah I've read it.
Good fun book.
A parody.
Maybe some truth can be extracted from it but in all its a comedic work of fiction.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Homie you're talking about a group of pranksters so involved with all of these movements they affected them in every way. I mean KWT wrote a book about Oswald before Oswald was even out of the military. Shape shifting reptilians? RAW. HAArp, bluebeam? RAW-taking influence from P.K.Dick ;), You think there aren't and weren't co-intel operations in response to the information/satire war that came to a head in the late 60's? You're crazy and you're still living in that war. You think the US hasn't used this sort of information to subvert and create populism and extremism in a non-satirical way since the CIA was formed? You think Russia hasn't done the same? You think the ottomans didn't have a rich tradition of informational warfare? This goes allllll the way back to the French Revolution holmes, you gotta take a look at the history.
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
Ok. Interesting,got a source KWT Oswald book please.
So about pewdepie.
Do you think the whole massive antisemitic scandal was nothing , no agenda being pushed, no political involvement ,no deliberate propaganda?
Just a few jews in the press that got their knickers in a twist and cost pewdipie millions of dollars?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Its worth noting that KWT became a victim as was driven insane by co-intel pro used to discredit him from within his inner circle of subversives. He gets lumped into the "Satanic Panic" which seems completely logical given the full story of his involvement with the early conspiracy/prankster groups he got along with. https://www.amazon.com/Idle-Warriors-Kerry-W-Thornley/dp/0962653403
Wooooo you're asking for directly non or falsifiable information and I dont usually speak in absolutes so this a hard bargain. At any given time, any given amount of agenda is being pushed by any number of groups in any possible direction or flow of information. I think millions of dollars is a stretch, many more important people than him have been marginalized for a multitude of reasons. In this case I don't think you're completely wrong, I should clear that up, however I DO think you're pushing only part of the picture. At its deepest level of the information war was Pewdepie marginalized by the JDL? Sure theres a good possibility of that, even benign jokes have destroyed larger careers, however its not like the JDL is a unknown quantity, their movements are fairly public as an advocacy group, none of that is conspiratorial really just social engineering. I do think the Netanyahu thing is a bit of a coincidence, Netanyahu has made his stance with Trump fairly clear and also Cui bono, but its not necessarily a stretch to say its a concerted effort possibly. You'll see more of this from prankster groups as they shift focus as well as the true believers of the left as more people catch on. Say what you will but there are people on Trumps administration that are connected to the right side of the true believers/propagandists when it comes to information warfare and honestly I think thats why most of the main zeitgeist will bite on the Trump as an anti-Semite narrative. There's always even different agendas when it comes to the different avenues of information/engineering/propaganda within the SUBJECT of anti or pro Semitic stances alone, that is right and left leaning. The answer is, Im not exactly sure of the absolute T truth in this situation (to use some philosophy) BUT those those are definitely two of the major narratives being pushed.
n/a Expleto 2017-02-27
If that is true, it backfired spectacularly.
I don't like Trump but putting a false tag on a comedian (novice comedian) makes the argument that "its another false tag" all too easy.
n/a Baroninthesea 2017-02-27
every single tactic they did backfired, pretty much like the "fake new" narratives.
n/a dylan522p 2017-02-27
Trump is an anti semitic!
He also supports the 1 state solution and Israel!
Wait........
n/a asgfgh 2017-02-27
Imo two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those comedians were wrong doesn't mean that pewds is right.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Is it wrong to make jokes?
n/a samout 2017-02-27
Especially when the idea of those jokes is "this thing is awful, let's all laugh in the face of evil and collectively agree how awful genocide is by a common trait we all share - laughter".
n/a hiphopapotamus1 2017-02-27
I think the point was no one is wrong here ezcept the people having bitch fit over it. You can make fun of harsh things. Thats how a society copes. By trivializing it. Dont get triggered now.
n/a SadaoMaou 2017-02-27
The joke wasn't even about jews. The sentence "kill all the jews" was used in the sketch because it's inappropriate, to make a point about the website that was the subject of the video.
n/a pcreligion 2017-02-27
'kill the white people' -- jewish band -- Oy vey.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
"Jewish left wing band" huh?
Fuck this white pride bullshit. Go back to your rathole.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Have you ever heard NOFX? They were left wing and Jewish - they wrote very pro-Jewish songs.
Are you some kind of NAZI or something?
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
They have fun songs, fun lyrics, had a couple albums that were political, their latest album was written when the band went sober, talking about big pharma. It's not like theyre super left-wing, anarcho, Zionist punk rock. It's fucking NoFX.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Yeah actually they were very left wing, basically an activist group.
They also sucked really, really badly.
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
Welcome to punk.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
The most overrated and self-important pop genre in history.
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
NoFX side, yeah definitely I feel you. I wouldn't say self-important so much compared to this 'indie' pop phase, but yeah those bands are generally the pop genre and overrated.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
But I mean the "real hardcore" punk music was a) really just another form of pop music and b) was incredibly self-important and full of itself.
And 99% of it sucked ass.
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
Meh. Im not gonna be one of those THAT WSANT REAL HARDCORE THIS IS REAL HARDCORE THIS IS POP PUNK type of guys, but depending on the concept of 'real hardcore' I think of Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag, even the anarchopunk/crust punk bands with primarily political lyrics.
But then it kind of makes sense now that Bad Brains, Black Flag etc are like Iron Maiden -- more of merch than a band.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Minor Threat and Black Flag were both mostly shit. Bad Brains wasn't really that good either, frankly.
But man did they take themselves REALLY seriously.
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
Agree to disagree brotha. So are you into any form of punk/rock/hardcore/etc?
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Maybe I misunderstood.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Oh but I think I understood. "White pride" = bullshit.
But "Jewish pride" = great!
Racist much?
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
How about no one is better than another? Why do all these little people have to put others down to build themselves up. Go accomplish something productive Nazi scum.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
You are the one making claims about "better" - then spewing a bunch of insults and hate speech.
You clearly have issues. Try to not hurt anyone.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
You're clearly a pathetic racist with nothing to be proud about. GO. DO. SOMETHING. Woodworking? Distance running? Gardening? Cooking? Cleaning up parks? Get this pointless zero sum victim mentality out of your head and take control of yourself.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
All you can do is spew bile. You clearly have a lot of hatred inside. Maybe see a shrink?
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Naw. Projection is a classic maneuver and I'm calling you out on it. You're trying to deflect because I've made a point that you don't really understand yet. But you will. Stop trying to argue against it and accept it. Your hate is unwelcome everywhere and love will prevail. Get on board. Be an early adopter.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
You are projecting your hatred on to other people - just read your long string of profanities, slurs, and bile.
Get help, all that hate isn't good for you.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Love will win. You'll see.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Good I hope you drop the hate and try love - it will do you some good.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Let's do it together.
n/a Jarod_Escapes 2017-02-27
You two gonna get a room now?
n/a C0ldmud 2017-02-27
White's can't be pride?
n/a Rubulisk 2017-02-27
That would be racist. /s
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Proud of what? Being born? Pride comes from accomplishment. Go out and accomplish something productive and you'll feel real pride. Your white pride comes from something you never even did. You were born and somehow that catapults you to the top of your imaginary race pyramid. It's delusional. Do something productive and you'll be overflowing with pride, not insecurity.
n/a C0ldmud 2017-02-27
I'm just saying, it's ok for almost any race to be proud of themselves, and you see it all the time. The media even promotes it. But why can't whites? And stop projecting "white pride" onto me, why does it always have to be associated with racism? And nowhere have I stated I see whites at the top of any piramid, you're just projecting your own views.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
You want a special day or something? Call a calendar company.
I'll accept white pride when you make it about accomplishments and not about being born a certain way.
n/a C0ldmud 2017-02-27
I don't really care whether you do or don't accept white pride, or any pride for that matter.
Isn't that's the whole point of it? That ppl can be proud of themselves, whoever they are, without the consent of thought police?
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
I think this to 'accept who you are' movement is childish. Everyone could use some self improvement. Be proud of your actions. What you've done. No one should get an advantage or disadvantage simply because of how they're born. Accomplish something. That's real pride.
n/a DepletedMitochondria 2017-02-27
That doesn't get them the clicks to make money lol
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
Seinfeld has a joke on his show about getting coffee when discussing Jewish comedians "they are a few good Jews out there." Not funny out of context, pretty funny in context, but is it anti-Semitic?
n/a kkanoee 2017-02-27
In France they are. Not sure about other countries though.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
I'll put it this way - if they ban Larry David and Curb Your Enthusiasm - I'll start the fucking revolution myself. That is one funny Jew. I don't want to live in a country where we Larry David is banned.
n/a personn5 2017-02-27
One of the writers of the PDP article made a bunch of Jewish jokes years ago too.
n/a Red_Tricks 2017-02-27
I'm not sure if it's the same journalist, but he called out one of them since he went through their Twitter and they make racist jokes as well.
Ben Fritz is the guy he called out, if you look at his Twitter (at least a day or two ago) it's full of people calling him and WSJ out on the jokes he made saying he should get fired.
n/a alibix 2017-02-27
The joke wasn't really set up well, that's why comedians get away with Jew jokes
n/a HeadHunt0rUK 2017-02-27
I would say that it's not because jews are off limits, it's because he's vocally shown his distain for MSM, how the warp what people say to fit their narrative.
Combined with the recent line of attack from the regressive-leftists which comprise huge portions of the MSM, which is everyone who isn't with us is a nazi, and thus okay to be violent towards.
It's basically just an evolution of what GamerGate had with all gamers are sexist.
Now it's you're a nazi.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
The WSJ article was actually very clear --- it said that he included a series of Nazi imagery in his jokes and parody. And the WSJ called Disney for comment because that's what journalists are supposed to do.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Are we going to ban Hogan's Heroes and Mel Brooks next?
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
Nobody is banning anything, actually, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
n/a wakeupwill 2017-02-27
This is my first delve into all these youtube personalities. But I thought this guy's take on it was great.
n/a Jarod_Escapes 2017-02-27
It was a very deliberate attempt to tie him into the whole "Trump is Hitler" narrative they've been pushing for a year.
Don't be dense.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
The conservative Wall Street Journal has been pushing a "Trump is Hitler" narrative? You're gonna have to show me some proof of that one.
n/a Jarod_Escapes 2017-02-27
Alright I'll walk you through it.
Who owns the Wall Street Journal?
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
Don't patronize me, just answer the question.
n/a LightBerry81 2017-02-27
Look for they who you may not make fun of. Then you will find your true leaders.
n/a a_mad_scotsman 2017-02-27
I ain't Jewish and I am pissed for reason belittled sacrifice of the men who died during world war 2
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Disney doesn't fuck around with their brand. If you work for Disney, you should know jokes like that will fuck you.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Disney puts out offensive crap all the time and they have no problems with anti-Christian and anti-European "jokes."
They also seem to have no problem with "hipster racism" and exoticization of non-whites.
But don't dare say anything about Jews.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
What offensive crap does Disney put out?
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
https://infogalactic.com/info/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company#General_criticism
https://infogalactic.com/info/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company#Walt_Disney_Motion_Picture_Group
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
That stuff is really, really flimsy.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
So is the case against "PewDiePie"
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Not really. Putting "death to all Jews" in your video isn't flimsy. I'm not offended by it, but like I said, Disney protects their brand fiercely. He should have known better.
n/a aleister 2017-02-27
Congrats! It's a proud moment to be sure. I brought my 13-year-old daughter to a conference recently. She was sitting at the booth with her laptop reading the news a co-worker looking over her shoulder was blown away when she started researching the sources mentioned in the article. I think it red-pilled him a bit.
n/a ThankGodIExist 2017-02-27
Give him a pat on the back
n/a MAGAtheCENTIPEDE 2017-02-27
also raise his allowence
n/a frescoaroma 2017-02-27
don't forget to hand him a crisp $100%
n/a FrankReshman 2017-02-27
/r/NothingEverHappens. Also, /r/KidsNowAreSmarterThanIWasAsAKidAndThatScaresMe
n/a ersatz_substitutes 2017-02-27
Second time I've seen $100% today. Assumed it was a typo before, but now I'm feeling like I'm a day behind on my memes?
n/a frescoaroma 2017-02-27
it's from /r/thatHappened
https://www.reddit.com/r/thatHappened/comments/1bs0cs/and_im_also_giving_you_100_dollars_the_first/
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n/a MajesticStallionJean 2017-02-27
Whatever that is, I want it.
n/a lordthat100188 2017-02-27
Give him 100 good boy points.
n/a tamari_almonds 2017-02-27
But turn him into a dog first.
n/a PopeGreyling 2017-02-27
Socialist /s lol
n/a klendathu22 2017-02-27
And get him a coat.
n/a HotTeen69 2017-02-27
And a brick! (Bots are awesome)
n/a Batbuckleyourpants 2017-02-27
We will have him building a proper wall around the property in no time.
n/a MAGAtheCENTIPEDE 2017-02-27
For the love of god get this patriot a coat....for every centipede a coat and for every coat a centipede
n/a RenegadeDragon57 2017-02-27
This train has no brakes!
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
A coat for what? Expressing distrust of the MSM is not a trademarked t_d practice.
n/a jackandjill22 2017-02-27
Wow.
n/a TronZbot 2017-02-27
Shouldn't trust MSM and shouldn't trust the people that told him to not trust MSM.
n/a ghost_in_a_tank 2017-02-27
give him a fedora and a fake moustache
n/a mastigia 2017-02-27
I need to ping my kid sisters haha. I didn't want to interfere with the process.
n/a zechariahc 2017-02-27
You make it sound like a bad thing?
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Not at all. I was rather proud.
n/a zechariahc 2017-02-27
Oh I would be too.
n/a Rage_harles 2017-02-27
Ice cream tonight.
n/a anaLog1989 2017-02-27
This put a smile on my face. First we will wake them ALL up, and then we will rise in a peaceful and methodical manner..
n/a KIDDizCUDI 2017-02-27
Bro, i hate to break it to you but this isn't going to end peaceful no matter how much we want it to.
Look at other empires falling in history, did they go out peacefully?
I'll wait.
n/a anaLog1989 2017-02-27
Basing your conclusion on ancient Greece seems like awfully flawed logic to me... Probably better to base it upon our current predicaments, no...?
n/a chickenshitmchammers 2017-02-27
History is constantly repeating itself. If things really do change, I don't think too much peace will be involved.
n/a anaLog1989 2017-02-27
Yeah, okay bud.
n/a dylan522p 2017-02-27
What empire fell without violence?
n/a anaLog1989 2017-02-27
Nobody said without violence... god you trolls are picky. By peaceful, i mean to minimise the violence as much as possible. More people that wake up means simpler solutions. Half of you probably have some second amendment wet dream all planned out, but it DOESN'T have be that way... It's ignorant to assume it HAS to be any way in particular.
n/a chickenshitmchammers 2017-02-27
History, bruh. Look into how empires go down. It gets bloody.
n/a KIDDizCUDI 2017-02-27
Because if you don't
Know "what was"
You can't understand "what is"
And you'll be I'll prepared
For what's to come. >
n/a breakfast_organisms 2017-02-27
Yes, praise jeebus when we wake them ALL up to the almighty word that is PewDeePie's back-tracking. Hail to thee that attacks the objective fact-seekers in search of the greater truth: whatever their leader wants it to be at that time. Praise!!!
n/a Svenarchy 2017-02-27
The time for arguments is over. - Stefan "That's not an argument" Molyneux
n/a PEARSQUISHER 2017-02-27
That's a proud father moment if I've ever heard one. Did you give him a hug and say "That's my boy!"?
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
It was a proud MOTHER moment. I'm his mom.
n/a PEARSQUISHER 2017-02-27
lol sorry about that.
n/a DeathMetalDeath 2017-02-27
gen Z is gonna be alright i think.
n/a Lizards_live 2017-02-27
As you should be. Keep it up!
n/a canteen_boy 2017-02-27
How do you know you're the mother, hmmmm?!
n/a LoomisFin 2017-02-27
http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/2/17/14613234/pewdiepie-nazi-satire-alt-right Yes he seems like a good guy...
n/a samout 2017-02-27
You are aware that that specific article is considered one of the worst offenders and straight up lying about all of the things they wrote about? It's even worse than the original WSJ article and quite disturbingly so. You seem to be finnish based on your username, and normally us finnish people like to consider ourselves smarter/skeptic and not just believe what we are told right?
n/a august_landmesser 2017-02-27
He is, he made some jokes in poor taste but he isn't anti=Semitic, hate Fiver more anything.
n/a cbthrow 2017-02-27
Just a joke blown out of proportion. With that said I'm not surprised that Disney dropped him. I doubt many companies would want their name attached to something watched by millions where a guy pays people to dance around with a sign that says "Death to all Jews" written on it.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Seinfeld made jokes about the holocaust. Does that make Seinfeld a bad guy?
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Holy crap people - READ that vox.com article.
They are saying that this guy is some sort of "hipster Nazi" because of his facial hair and that he sometimes wears glasses.
We are All Nazis Now.
n/a talented 2017-02-27
Anybody have the wallstreet journal post that was the supposed offender? I want to see how myself.
n/a InfiniteRelease 2017-02-27
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-severs-ties-with-youtube-star-pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts-1487034533
n/a talented 2017-02-27
I can see why Disney dropped him. They are getting more kid friendly over the years, so I can see that.
I guess the problem here may be that the Wall Street journal insinuates he is an anti-semite. Though, It doesn't look like anything they wrote is technically wrong. The manipulation I guess is the subtle narrative being built around the jokes.
As someone who doesn't give a shit either way. Don't know who PewDiePie is. I watched some of his videos defending himself, the guy fucked himself with these jokes if he is getting paid by Disney.
I don't think anybody was technically wrong in this situation. The argument for wallstreet journal is a continuous background narrative of anti-Semitism behind satire. The argument for PewDiePie is edgy satire and comedy is his life blood. The argument for Disney is that it doesn't belong in their media.
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
The issue is "are jokes that are taken out of context and are anti-Semitic, still anti-Semitic in context?" As well as "is pewdiepie anti-Semitic for making these jokes?" That's up to you to decide. I think there is a grain of truth in some jokes. Some jokes are just jokes. I like offensive humor because I see it as making fun of harmful stereotypes. But that's me. Then the deb ate goes into whether we as a society should joke about certain things and it devolved from there.
The truth is this one guy saw an opportunity for sensationalist yellow journalism and took it. The editor saw it and thought "hey, this might generate a lot of views." I'm willing to bet that's how other organizations saw it. I'm just as willing to bet more than one editor choose the writer specifically because they can (knowingly or that's just how they are) farm that outrage for page views. IMHO that's why it's important when sharing outrage clickbate like this that people use an archive to deny the host those views in order to encourage better quality.
I think if I were Disney I would have done the same thing. Joke or not I wouldn't want a family brand to be associated with blue comics or edgy acts. The edgiest id want to be is the marvel and Star Wars stuff.
n/a ShitAtRocketLeague 2017-02-27
Yes.
n/a nandeEbisu 2017-02-27
The jokes were not directed at jews, the anti-semitic quotes were used because they are so universally denounced and were used in such a way that the jokes only worked if everyone, including the comedian, accepted that such positions are not something normal people would hold of their own volition. Had he picked a PETA quote it wouldn't have landed since it is not universally accepted that eating meat is unethical.
n/a ShitAtRocketLeague 2017-02-27
PewDiePie isn't a comedian. He might think he is, but he doesn't know how to write a joke. (Surely he is rich enough to hire a writer if he's serious about this.) Lots of comedians make jokes about Jews and other minorities and get away with it, because they know how to write a joke. South Park is a good examples of this, or people like Sacha Baron Cohen, the WSJ isn't running "hit pieces" on them, as shocking as they can be. Good jokes have structure, they have subtext, they make a point. There is no joke here, no point, just a rich white guy paying two poor, non-native speakers to spread a hateful message they probably didn't even fully understand (pretty sure one of them was quoted saying exactly that).
Try imagining someone doing this "joke" on you, hiring you to hold up a sign saying "death to jews" in a language you don't understand. Funny! It's not all that different to having a Chinese takeout menu tattooed on you by an unscrupulous tattoo artist. You are the joke. The only point he actually made is that you can pay people to do anything, which is not only not very funny but not remotely an original observation.
The other problem is anti-semitism is not in fact universally denounced. I'm not sure why you think it is when this very website is home to a lot of them; you've been here years, you know the worst Reddit has to offer. A lot of "normal" people hold anti-semitic views. Many of them are spending time lately vandalizing Jewish graves, while others are just working for the President of the United States. No big deal, not like there are anti-semites literally at the highest level in the country, empowering previously lowkey anti-semites to go out and desecrate graves. Alt-right is all over this guy, precisely because of his part in normalizing this kind of crap. If alt-right people are applauding you, you're either a giant bigot or you fucked up somewhere.
n/a 5shiny5 2017-02-27
Disney also has the added problem of having been founded by a notorious anti-semite. Anything with even a whiff of anti-semitism is something they, as a brand, need to distance themselves from, even if said whiff is an illusion.
That said, I'm not sure why they were connected with Kjellberg in the first place, as a lot of his channel is not particularly Disney friendly (language).
n/a ogva_ 2017-02-27
You understand what WSJ is trying to do when you think about the fact they took a "nazi clip" out of context from a pewdiepie video in which he was saying "people who are taking my jokes out of context to make me a nazi are dumb".
Plus that video montage really is embarassing, after you learn the facts.
n/a 5shiny5 2017-02-27
I think this issue is that when a comedian makes 7-ish jokes in thousands of hours of video in which he's making a couple jokes a minute, it's dishonest to make this out to be some sort of pattern, particularly when one of which is in a video titled "Stop putting nazi imagery in my videogame" or something along those lines.
Ben Fritz, the journalist who wrote the WSJ article has, himself, made more anti-semitic (and anti-black) jokes on his own twitter feed than Felix Kjellberg--whose actual job is making jokes--has on his channel.
n/a talented 2017-02-27
Interesting, just trying to form my own opinion here. I figured WSJ was being manipulative considering the video has the ominous music and the short cuts of his videos.
I'm not surprised that there would be a report on the top YouTube star when something significant happens, but it seems a lot of people are angry that WSJ caused it. YouTube is one part of the internet that I doing really participate in
Did Disney drop him before or after the report? I'm confused on this part, I couldn't find clarity on if WSJ reported it or just reporting on it. Did the journalist go witch-hunting?
n/a 5shiny5 2017-02-27
According to Kjellberg, pressure by the WSJ was put on several of his sponsors (not just disney) prior to even being contacted about the article (including pressure against Youtube to demonetize his channel, which would take his annual compensation from 8 figures to 0). Sort of a "Nice house you got there, be a real shame if something happened to it" deal. The sponsors and business partners contacting him was how he says he even found out an article was being written.
As far as "why" they did this, that's not really clear. It's been hypothesized that this was an attack by the WSJ on youtube itself (as a media outlet that's nominally outside the control of normal media influence--and a growing one--sinking the #1 star is a good way for old media to let new media know it can put them in their place whenever it feels like it) or that a journalist was just looking for a scalp in the interests of self-promotion, as has happened in the past.
n/a asgfgh 2017-02-27
Keep in mind that young children only echo what they hear, and often don't come to their own conclusions based on fact, reason, and evidence.
n/a NSFWIssue 2017-02-27
FTFY, "reason" is a myth.
n/a j3utton 2017-02-27
Replace "young children" with "the majority of people" and I think you might be on to something.
n/a Homeschooled316 2017-02-27
Yeah, unlike the rest of the thread I would totally believe this story is real. The problem is the child isn't actually learning to think skeptically and critically, he's just repeating whatever his favorite screen personality told him to think, which is literally the opposite.
n/a Mentalpatient87 2017-02-27
Also with influence from his loony parents, no matter how much they deny said influence.
n/a romanmoses 2017-02-27
The parents are loony because they don't want their kid to blindly accept msm bullshit? You are why aliens haven't communicated with us.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Their 11 year old kid? Yes, absolutely.
n/a wiseclockcounter 2017-02-27
11 years old is prime time to realize that the world has many perspectives and that it's important to think critically on serious topics.
If someone is filling their 3 year old's head with "9-11 was an inside job", then yea- that's highly inappropriate. But 11 year olds are on the cusp of fleshing out their way of thinking. If they learn that the media can be disingenuous, that's a good thing.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
If you've watched the video, at no point does he tell people what to believe. He only tells them the facts and they got wrong...
n/a CarlTheRedditor 2017-02-27
What did they get wrong, anyway? He did the thing with the banner, no?
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
The fact that he's an anti-semite. They got that wrong. One of the employees that works for the WSJ actually says he approves of the nazis. (I'm paraphrasing) He shows it in the video.
n/a CarlTheRedditor 2017-02-27
That's Murdoch media for you.
Whatever I was reading--WaPo, maybe--made clear that it was just a prank, bro but quoted both someone from the ADL and some neo-Nazi that it helps put that shit in the mainstream.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
While i agree that a company has the right to save face, i don't think people would consider youtube mainstream media. It pulls mainstream numbers, which i think the media is afraid of but i wouldn't turn to youtube for the news.
n/a CarlTheRedditor 2017-02-27
"Mainstream" =/= "mainstream media"
n/a N64Dchess 2017-02-27
The child most likely had seen the PDP videos that the MSM was taking out of context to form a narrative. Then he concluded that they were in fact portraying him falsely. That sounds like being critical and skeptical to me. Smart kid.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
That's kind of insulting to the kids of the generation. With the power of the Internet, i believe the kids today were nothing like the kids of last generation. I've come across kids under 10, who have more common sense than most adults. I mean we can say that an adult still acts like a child yet we don't think kids can act like an adult?
n/a kanrad 2017-02-27
Did you really come across some 10 year old with more commons sense? Or is it more likely you talked to a 10 year old with the same view point as you?
Can you even tell the difference?
A 10 year old should never be the source of fact or reality. Chew on that.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
I take it you've never came across a 20 something with no sense whatsoever.
I wasn't even conversing to the child myself. I overheard a young child give an adult an answer that was beyond his years. Even the adult he was talking to felt stupid.
Can i? Who knows but apparently you might have experience in this so please enlighten me.
Again, you seem like someone with experience in 10 year olds. So again, enlighten me.
n/a 2OP4me 2017-02-27
When it's done by others it's "indoctrination" when it's done by them it's "raising them right"... Teach your damn kids to think critically, that's it.
n/a NeeOn_ 2017-02-27
True, but that doesn't mean one should disregard an idea or opinion or theirs. Even if they are repeating an idea, it could be right
n/a areyouhungryforapple 2017-02-27
There's no fucking way you have enough empirical evidence to make such a statement regarding generation z.
They're truly the first modern generation to have never lived without the internet available 24/7 in most cases, even I as a millenial have no fucking clue what that is like.
Kids have access to tablets and smartphones so early on these days , and sure they are going to be exposed to a lot of bullshit and tricked. But I have faith that a ton of kids are questioning the media in particular A LOT more following what they just saw on YouTube.
n/a Admirral 2017-02-27
I think we will soon enough have a mass movement going. It is the internet that will bite the elites in the ass. Because of the internet people are able to form their own opinions and fight back the oppression.
That is not to say they will not go down without a fight. Shills are evidence of this. In my books, 2016 marks the start of the wide-spread growth of our movement. Let's fight for a better tomorrow.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
Not just shills, those hardcore Trump loyalists are just as bad. They will also fight to defend their so called "God Emperor" from any criticism lest they look just like the democrats after 8 years of Obama.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
Obama is good cause dropping bombs and legal propaganda on your citizens is good.
Best president ever TV told me.
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
These aren't mutually exclusive... Neither one should be seen as infallible and both should be held accountable. The fanaticism of politics now has made divide and conquer so much easier.
n/a FrankReshman 2017-02-27
Exactly. I'm glad people are outraged at their government. They fucking should be. I'm just tired it took 8 years until someone they didn't like was in office before they cared. And now Trump is absolutely going to get blamed for everything that comes to light because he's the easiest target in the world.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
That's not an argument.
n/a Thatstunk 2017-02-27
I was a Trump supporter. Voted for him in the election. However, Trump supporters are becoming fanatical. I have become disappointed. The problem was I had to vote between a douche and a turd
n/a EtCustodIpsosCustod 2017-02-27
Most Trump voters I've talked to voted against Hillary rather than for Trump. Hillary was a clear continuation of the deep state perpetual war/mass surveillance establishment, and Trump may or may not be.
For me, the nonstop criticism of Trump from hawkish neoconservatives is promising.
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
Far as I'm concerned neither party has learned any lasting lessons from this election.
n/a Gay_N_Racist 2017-02-27
Republicans won at every level. What lesson did they not learn?
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
That not everyone voted for Trump or Republicans so much as against what the democrats were offering. What the democrats by and large were offering were (aside from obvious issues) GWB-lite style neo-cons with a social justice agenda. It's the worst of all worlds.
n/a dfairlite 2017-02-27
Wait, you're saying that all the dems (or most of them, at least) that lost to reps down ballot lost because they were GWB lite neo-cons with a social justice agenda?
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
No.
n/a elric82 2017-02-27
This x10000
n/a The_Adventurist 2017-02-27
They're both being as cynical as possible now. Republicans are still standing around waiting to see if they'll impeach Trump and fully take over the government or if they should just pretend to like him because populism is on the rise and they're too out of touch to know what people actually want.
The Democrats are hoping they can just do what the Republicans do and be obstinant children for his entire term and then be rewarded by voters for it. They will do the same exact thing as the Republicans did, whine about what the president is doing, promise to reverse all of it, but when they eventually get into power again they're either not going to do shit or not have any real, practical plans for replacing the things they're repealing.
If anybody is hyped up about either party right now, they're simply misinformed. This is a complete shit show from all sides.
n/a ZweiHollowFangs 2017-02-27
And they never will. There's a bipartisan agenda that doesn't involve the will of the people and they will do whatever it takes to enact it.
n/a The_Adventurist 2017-02-27
It's almost like they should have had a primary to determine which candidate to run instead of pre-choosing the candidate and then knee-capping all the competition until she walked away with the nomination.
The DNC and the RNC are corrupt to the bone and need to be entirely rebuilt.
n/a Gyshall669 2017-02-27
He just increased the pentagons budget by 10% and relishes the idea of war with Iran..
But how did you not talk to Trump supporters who liked him? He destroyed his competition in the primaries..
n/a EtCustodIpsosCustod 2017-02-27
The neoconservative faction strongly opposes him, so I'm not sure how much he supports more active military intervention. He does however want a stronger and more responsive military to increase its deterrent effect.
I've talked to a few enthusiastic supporters but they are not the majority.
n/a dylan522p 2017-02-27
Link to his budget?
n/a ogva_ 2017-02-27
I wonder if that is true or if it was Trump which really made you/us think that.
We had already had our Trump in Italy (much of Trump's political campaign was copy-pasted from him), and people who voted for him were saying the same exact thing (better him than the poor opposition).
Or maybe he just choose the perfect moment. It is rather interesting the same exact sentences are being made tohugh.
n/a EtCustodIpsosCustod 2017-02-27
I don't really follow. Wouldn't Trump want people to think that the votes he received were a show of support for him rather than a show of disapproval against Hillary?
n/a ogva_ 2017-02-27
He doesn't care if he gets the votes. Those are people who wouldn't have voted for him if the opponent was seen as more worthy.
What I'm wondering if that negative consideration does really depend on the opponent (so he chose accurately when to go on politics) or it is generated by the way Trump does things. After all it is in theory really easy to "demonize" anybody with that kind of political attitude.
n/a 5shiny5 2017-02-27
Ya. He's making all the people I don't like crazy, left and right. If Bill Kristol's losing his mind over the actions of a Republican, there's a decent chance the guy's onto something.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
You had to vote between a murderer and a dude with a toupee.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
FNORD. Take it easy on the whataboutism comrade. Let's not pretend anyone is innocent here. You're talking about someone that has definitly been friends with known child molesters, the Sandusky kind not the shadowy satanic, populist BS.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
So what you're saying is, he didn't murder anyone.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Oh definitely both. I don't understand the mental gymnastics that one power is more benign than the other. High new york society? yeeeeea sure that guy has humanist values. C'mon man.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
Hillary Clinton literally destroyed the country of Libya, said she would attack Iran if President, and theatened Assad's life.
Currently the media is demonizing Trump for GETTING ALONG with Russia.
You see the difference here?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
LOL, entire blocks of families lost their homes with his blockbusting policies in the 80's and 90's. Lets just go ahead and replace "Hillary" with "the establishment." Dude this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum and its cognitive dissonance if you think one form of power is more benign than the other. You think Trump hasnt been to the grove? You're crazy.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
The mainstream (democrat) media, calls Assad a dictator (despite having a higher approval rating than they do).
The democrats call, Russia and Assad fighting off ISIS and Al-Nusra (being paid for by America and its allies) as GENOCIDE when they retook Aleppo. They accused the democratically elected leader of a country of committing genocide over taking back the land they had ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED FOR FOUR YEARS.
Notice how ISIS is losing power now? Notice how the Clinton Foundation is closing up all over the place?
THESE ARE GOOD THINGS.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Damn you can just jump all over the place in your bias hunh? What if I told you, no one is the good guy here? Power structures falling always leave vacuums that will be filled, so much so vacuums are purposely created now, what do you think ISIS just sprung up on its own? That it was only "democrats?" Dude you're hook, line and sinker into the narrative.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
The people the president supposedly sides with bombed the fuck out of ISIS.
Obviously he does not have a stake in THEIR game.
Remember when Obama said ISIS was bad? lol. What did he ever do about it?
Some of these people ARE objectively worse than others. Trump isn't perfect, but watch him get rid of ISIS.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
LOL a religio-social movement that has been picking up steam since the fall of the Ottomans and has purposely been kept stewing by every western powers foreign policy for the past 80 years?! LOL GOOD WITH THAT, damn you have a Euro-centric perspective.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
The only issue with Islam is fundamentalist extremists.
And it makes sense for America to vet people who could be fundamentalist extremists, since Syrians that don't live among terrorists are with their overwhelmingly approved leader in Damascus.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Again you're confusing symptoms for the disease. You need to look at history more, try, from a western perspective, the "peasant wars." You're talking about relgio-social identities, not radicalism. You've got to start understanding the different groups in Islam and stop painting a broadstroke picture before you're gonna get down on this stuff. You're talking like Fox news over here. I guess the problem in the Caucasus was the Serbs? Things arent as simple as you're trying to make them.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
It's pretty simple.
Tell Dick Cheney to pack up his Golan Heights operation. Tell Israel to give back the land they illegally occupy in Syria and Palestine.
Take the American troops, bring them home, give them infrastructure jobs.
Stop laundering dirty money to Saudi Arabia (and therefore ISIS).
Not sure why these things are so hard for society. It really is that simple.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
All that sounds great! Notice Saudi wasn't on that ban list. This isn't some crazy power struggle, its just a narrative to make you think it is.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
That's because Obama made the list.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Which further corroborates my point...?
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
Doesn't change a single thing I said about not laundering money there, plus all the other positive changes I'd like to see come about that I listed.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Im not disagreeing with that at all. I'm just trying to show you, differences in power structures currently are non-consequential and motivated completely like money, same as before.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
It's a valid point. I suppose you feel it's naive for requesting a fresh start or new perspective, or that it's naive to think that's what this is?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Well I definitely don't think thats what this is. Honestly my little hope for Trump has been shattered, if he was ANYTHING different there are TONS of avenues to expose SO MANY questions that have plagued the west for the past 100 years. Instead he uses the confusion as a form of populism, creating a cult of personality. He's so against the existing power establishment? His first order would have been to call out the intelligence community for things they've ACTUALLY DONE, not call them names at face value, its just another show.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
There is no fresh start. Look at Trumps cabinet. Look at it. Those fucking guys are going to get rich(er). The insurance companies are going to get rich, the private prisons are going to get rich, he is going to increase police presence, etc.
I don't think any of that is good.
If trump was somehow redpilled, he'd get the info on 9/11 and release it, he'd get some JFK info and release it. Nothing.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
double post to make sure you get the notification. you also said I was euro-centric before comparing my rhetoric to that of Fox News.
and you suppose I'm the one who is confused?
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
I sorry, I should have said western-centrist, that would have been better, that was Political Science slip up, academically they've been interchangeable since the cold war and still are from an eastern political science perspective. Academics and popular discourse are not on the same page, thank goodness.
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
You trust Assad's approval rating? Who reported it? Himself? Keep pretending Assad is innocent in all this.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-president-bashar-al-assad/5510448
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-inconvenient-truth-bashar-al-assads-popularity-confounds-nato-propagandists/5532844
https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/
http://theduran.com/bashar-al-assad-remains-popular-among-syrian-people/
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
lol so much for that i guess
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
"Getting along with". Ah yes you clearly understand the claims being leveled against Trump.
n/a skepticallypessimist 2017-02-27
Polanski?
n/a The_Adventurist 2017-02-27
Although in real terms, Donald Trump seems to have caused far less harm on the world than Clinton. At least he didn't start any wars (that we're still fighting).
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
Yes those were the standards the vote was based on
n/a TheDakestTimeline 2017-02-27
Hey, that's a turd sandwich to you, buddy.
n/a dz93 2017-02-27
You were a Trump supporter? So you lost support for Trump because he has some crazy supporters?
n/a Thatstunk 2017-02-27
I'm in political purgatory. I can't find any happen medium. Especially after the massive censoring going on on the Donald. If you research most of the information or news story they post, it is outdated. Some sources are months old and they try to play it off like it is current. Additionally, Trump's position on Marijuana is perplexing. I was also a little disappointed with him backing out of the correspondents dinner. Historically they are giant roasts of our presidents and politicians, but I think is withdrawal only perpetuates the massive divide in our political system. So it is a combination of many factors. On the other hand I have no sympathy for the libs. I think they are just as bad in many respects; especially with the media.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
Politicians are never going to align with your own beliefs 100%, that's a totally unreasonable expectation to be perfectly honest with you.
Also yes there are plenty of people who blindly support politicians, on every side in every country. It's just the way people are, it shouldn't detract you from the candidate themselves. The KKK came out in support of Hillary, does that mean you shouldn't vote for her? No. There are plenty of good reasons to oppose her but that isn't one. Logic works the same on the other side IMO.
n/a fishnbrewis 2017-02-27
No they fucking didn't.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/27/video-shows-ku-klux-klan-kkk-grand-dragon-endorsing-hillary-clinton
n/a fishnbrewis 2017-02-27
I don't believe for a second that you don't know that guy was 100% full of shit. Come on dude, apply some critical thinking skills.
n/a 73297 2017-02-27
That's fair, I don't really believe him, but that's not really important to the point I was making.
n/a Titty_Dirty 2017-02-27
I'm a regular lurker on T_D, I like the memes and their overall spirit. My issue with that sub is when they go on about fake news but post links from random websites you've either never heard of or have suspicious / biased sounding names, it's worrying.
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
Trump is pretty much doing exactly what he said he would (sans marijuana stance I think), I don't see how supporters could be turning against him now.
n/a dylan522p 2017-02-27
That was just Spicer saying so, hopefully he does stick to states rights gusto
n/a dfairlite 2017-02-27
He's in a hard spot, and seems to have chosen the law. He can't very well say sanctuary cities have to go, but pot can stay. If you want the MJ laws repealed, that's congress' job. I would vote against recreational marijuana use in my state, but for the removal of the federal laws. It is definitely a state issue.
n/a dylan522p 2017-02-27
Well. President can reissue marijuana as a schedule 4 drug or so down from the insanity of schedule 1.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
that's worse than unscheduled it, it will make it extremely easy for large corporations to take over all medical.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
But, Stan...
n/a Thatstunk 2017-02-27
I think these two were a little douchier and a little turdier than most candidates as of late
n/a siamthailand 2017-02-27
I loved T_D, but now it's turned utter shit.
n/a Thatstunk 2017-02-27
That is how I feel. It was awesome in the beginning during primary season, but now you cannot go a comment without seeing how cucked someone is or how something needs to be boycotted. And of course, my favorite, how everyone who has an opposing opinion is a paid shill
n/a siamthailand 2017-02-27
Yeah. Like any other thing, you overdo it and it turns extremist. It's turned so vile now.
n/a StoopidSxyFlanders 2017-02-27
Lol, have you seen the reaction from the libs? Violence, riots, racism, beating up handicapped people.. all part of a days work for the libtards ever since Trump won.
n/a cheshire_ranch 2017-02-27
atleast trump supporters are organic unlike paid shill bitches. and whats so wrong w trump so far other than what mainstream media spoonfeeds you? no new wars yet.. not bad
n/a strafefire 2017-02-27
I don't think that his statement was to say that Trump is currently bad.
I think he meant that he hopes that Trump loyalist will hold him accountable when he actually does fuck up, and not hamster an excuse for it.
n/a VirginiaPlain1 2017-02-27
The_Donald is full of a**holes but don't hold them as representative of all Trump supporters. Plenty of Trump supporters are holding him accountable. We just won't hear of it on that sub or the equally cancerous subs like politics, news etc.
n/a lmac7 2017-02-27
Thanks for noting this. It bears repeating.
I find myself more and more wanting to find common ground with political opposites. I am so sick of the endless caricatures of opponents and the ultra strident propaganda where no middle ground exists.
Perhaps a new sub called "the middle ground" You should have to be able to note one positive aspect of a person's position followed by a reasonable critique. Otherwise no comment. Ad hominum gets deleted and repeats get you banned. I would spend my time there happily.
Such things do exist. We should not lose sight of that entirely.
n/a feeltheberncream 2017-02-27
I'd give that sub a try, it's tiresome seeing the same talking points in every political discussion with both sides simply trying to win an argument without any attempt at understanding. Most people fall somewhere near the middle, it's a bit misleading to have subs that only cater to the fringe.
n/a BillClintonSaxMaster 2017-02-27
Plenty of false dichotomies that exist to divide us and keep us thinking its left vs right instead of bottom vs top. Healthy discussion where common ground is established is the best way to combat this, and I think that idea for a subreddit is a great one
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Go read Prometheus rising. Populism is not a good thing anymore than authoritarianism. One evil for the other lately.
n/a lmac7 2017-02-27
...said every partisan who hates their political opponents.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
Spotted the Trump shill.
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
What makes you think there are no shills for the right? Have you seen the vote manipulation that goes on at T_D?
n/a MiloHasMentalIssues 2017-02-27
Come on, look at t_d and tell me there's no shilling going on on that side also.
n/a Gyshall669 2017-02-27
Sweet summer child..
n/a DepletedMitochondria 2017-02-27
If media is any indication, they'll just keep spewing talking points. I've heard some expert deflections from Rush, Hannity, and the like on many things lately since they don't want to be seen as criticizing "their guy" who won.
n/a inexorabledonger 2017-02-27
the Trump admin moving to criminalize Marijuana across the nation is somehow good even though we said leaving Marijuana for the states to decide was the right thing to do a few months ago!!! don't disagree or you will be banned on the_donald xd
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
I'm already banned for calling Israel an apartheid state and Netanyahu a Zionist.
n/a inexorabledonger 2017-02-27
the sub has legit ex-IDF Israelis on the mod team, not even 4chan meme JIDF, actual IDF... I'd imagine that doesn't lend itself to open discussion of Israel
n/a Jarod_Escapes 2017-02-27
Oy Vey! Nothing to see here goy!
WE NEED ANNUDAH SHOAH!
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
It's true, though.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
Ha, I got banned for that very reason. Mentioned "States rights are important when it comes to potties but not pot." was called a cuck by a mod and perm banned.
n/a jumpingrunt 2017-02-27
Hit me up when the Trump admin actually moves to criminalize marijuana. Until then, chill out dawg.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Found the blind trump supporter.
n/a pdabaker 2017-02-27
To some extent just threatening with these things is bad. Even if you never actually go after marijuana producers, just by saying that you will you are hurting their business. People will be much less willing to invest money if it might get confiscated by the feds at any point. Just like saying you will veto any bill about (insert good thing here) can be a bad thing even if you never actually veto any of them, because the thread will prevent those bills from being passed to begin with. Promises and words matter when you're president.
n/a HeadHunt0rUK 2017-02-27
Agreed, but the status quo was that those kind of loyalists were always seen that way, and rarely did their opinions have any weight.
The otherside however have gone from being reliable to just as bad, which is now causing this backlash because whilst everyone in the middle realised it was coming from the right, are now having to understand that it's coming from the left as well.
The left however are less used to this, and have adopted the incredibly poor tactic of, if you don't agree with everything we say, you're against us and we hate you.
Something I've never really seen coming from the hardcore right.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
I've had a few encounters with the us-or-them type from the right, but you're right that it's definitely not as widespread as it is in the left.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
try hanging out in /pol/ for a few hours.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
dude, you realise the people that call him "god emperor" are also kekistanians which is a ethnic group that originates from 4chan's /pol/ board.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-02-27
I knew they were on the same train, at least.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
4chan at least has some basic sense of rules, you want to see real insanity? Head over to 8chan sometime, some of those guys are full blown nazis while others are so deep into the whole pizzagate thing they are basically making things up to go after people who cosplay and attack them as pedophiles.
n/a tamrix 2017-02-27
How did we go from pewdiepie to Trump so quickly?
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
People have been saying that since forever. What makes it different now?
The only difference is that now YOU yourself personally are thinking about "mass movements."
But you are not the center of the world or the universe or history.
n/a Groomper 2017-02-27
Also because of the internet: people can move into echo chambers and have their views reinforced and radicalized.
n/a The_Time_Master 2017-02-27
reference : /r/politics
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Reference: Satanic panic, revitalized from the early 90's all over this sub. Yea lets ignore the actual molesters (Saville, Sandusky) and their phsycology, nah it was Satan worshipers S/.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
Don't forget pizzagate
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Possibility of institutionalized pedophilia? Sure. Possibility of physiological coaching and tampering with victims. Absolutely. A ring of Satan worshiping occultists after some sort of supernatural powers? Bullshit, Fnord, misdirection.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
The possibility that people just like pizza? SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL1!!!@
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
There is also people who wills say shit like "context matters" to pewdiepies videos, but they won't take into account possibly some of the pizzagate "evidence" is misread context
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
The problem pewdie ran into was that Disney decided they didn't want him. It's just a fact of life that large companies like that tend to shy away from controversial things\figures. Is it ironic due to Walt hating jews? sure thing, but walt is dead and now it's all about making the share holders money. was it their right to cut ties with him? sure. Did he cross the lines of good taste? some might be inclined to say that. Others feel he did nothing wrong. At the end of the day it is what it is and that's life.
from what I've followed of pizzagate on voat\4chan\8chan is that people thought podesta looked like a pedophile and when the wiki leaks doc came along someone decided that the emails about comet were double speak code and that there was obviously something going on despite the lack of a witness or victims. The only thing at this point in my mind is there is a whole bunch of conjecture the smells of a witch hunt to me where people are making up the facts to fit a story they've already decided was true.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
Yea... I dunno how people even come to some of the conclusions they reach. It is like they don't understand that weird people go around doing weird art-type stuff. I know the people who run a couple of the instagrams theyve used as "Proof". The minute I saw that and saw how they just went searching to confirm what they believed was clear
I'm fairly certain that pizzagate also started on 4chan. Which means it is almost certainly a troll. Do you remember like eon8 and stuff like that? The internet has gotten people good before.
I agree with you on pewdiepie. I doubt they felt "threatened" by him, as people say. Disney cannot be tied in with Walts beliefs anyway, cause like you said, he is dead. Then there is the fact that Disney's entire image is being wholesome and whatnot. That is their thing for the most part.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
for me pizzagate really went absurd when they connected a pizza joint in brooklyn that hillary visited or did a fund raiser at or maybe commented on how she liked their pizza. on their instagram there was some art stuff that included pentagrams and what not as well as pictures of kids.... eating pizza. In their minds this was proof enough that it was part of a bigger network. I however live in brooklyn and there is something they missed out on, a lot of the folks working at pizza joints tend to be metal kids\hipsters in bands. Metal kids tend to use pentagrams in their band art work because it's "METAL" I pointed out to them the pizza place across the street from me who also had similar art work and kinda trolled them saying that I found another one with virtually the same types of things in their Instagram. I was immediately shot down because there was no connection to Hillary or Podesta and was told I needed to follow the money. because podesta looks "weird" thus must be a pedophile thus lets make the facts fit that narrative.
For them this was proof, https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13628152_544154115768868_701736393_n.jpg
and this was proof. https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/16585052_1217587198308698_2908878931790659584_n.jpg
as was this https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15337117_116998202123894_4185285371837284352_n.jpg
really mind blowing just how retarded the whole thing has become.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
oOOOOO we have a winner!
n/a DutchDevice 2017-02-27
Or this sub.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
/r/politics is much worse when it comes to echo chambers then this sub
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
ehhh, there are weeks when it feels like it's 100% pizzagate around here.
n/a XSleepwalkerX 2017-02-27
This thread is literally just people agreeing with each other.
n/a WisdomModifier 2017-02-27
I disagree.
n/a GreshamGhoul 2017-02-27
I agree.
n/a chokingonlego 2017-02-27
I agree with that.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
that's 90% of reddit.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
or t_d
n/a MrGreggle 2017-02-27
Not the best example considering its half shills. Not just people looking for their echo chamber.
n/a 1PointAnHourAgo 2017-02-27
The internet can start experiencing it's own version of "brown outs."
n/a dz93 2017-02-27
They have the DARPA robots on their side, control over our phones and ability to record things, they have the high tech armor, they have control over our skies, they have the bunkers, they have everything they need to win this.
n/a watchnickdie 2017-02-27
Until Trump's new FCC destroys net neutrality and you aren't able to access websites that promote movements against the establishment.
n/a RugerRedhawk 2017-02-27
Are they forming their own opinions, or just conforming to the opinions of different people than perhaps traditionally? Is OP's son really forming his own opinions or just basing his opinions on some youtube video instead of something shown on cable news?
n/a nwPatriot 2017-02-27
The shilling on Reddit, and not just in political subs anymore, is honestly depressing
n/a venCiere 2017-02-27
It's really inconvenient not to know what is going on all the time. Even scientific & medical sources are fraudulent. What a mess. But at least we know we can't believe anything they say.
n/a MushroomDrawings 2017-02-27
Who would of thought of all people pewdipie is waking up the youth. What a time to be alive.
n/a MrGreggle 2017-02-27
Not too surprising to be honest. He became too powerful for them to ignore. His views put all of TV to shame and he has more subscribers than all the MSM newspapers combined. They saw him as a symbol of their fall and lashed out.
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
Or maybe paying people to hold up signs saying 'kill all jews' isnt cool and can ruin your career? Jesus fucking christ this sub has gone to shit.
n/a MrGreggle 2017-02-27
Context matters.
I don't want a world of witchhunts and character assassinations over one or two jokes that were taken out of context or were just dumb gaffs. Making a holocaust joke doesn't make you a Nazi. There isn't this fucking Nazi epidemic the left would have you believe. There's probably like 100 actual Nazis left in the US and 90 are in prison.
n/a Timbitkiller 2017-02-27
I just took a 5 minute peak at your post history.
You wrote:
Like dude, explain your racism, and why you hate black people. You obviously are a racist, perhaps we should contact your employer.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
yeah get him fired because he has different views and doesn't go with us!
n/a BRUTAL_ANAL_RAPE8888 2017-02-27
I know you're being sarcastic but, yea. The sjws need to be taught a lesson and their own tactics should be used against them
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
The second hand cringe off you guys thinking your smart yet failing to grasp blatant sarcasm is astounding.
Seriously, grade A on highlighting your difficulties in comprehension.
n/a wills_it_does_god 2017-02-27
How the fuck could that be considered sarcasm?
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
i'm being sarcastic also dude.
n/a Chewy_Bravo 2017-02-27
Hey hold up, that was taken out of context
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
Like dude, explain how you fall to see that im actually arguing the exact opposite of what you think youre accusing me of?
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
I thought context doesn't matter though????
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
If you can find where I said that ill give you gold.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
I mean that guy has 50 million subscribers. Of course he is extremely influential.
n/a MushroomDrawings 2017-02-27
Tru. But my first impression him I thought maybe he would of ended up on the SJW side
n/a DarkStrobeLight 2017-02-27
It's been a trend that youth are less trusting of mainstream media. But absolutely the YouTube drama is giving a whole new generation an early taste.
n/a MushroomDrawings 2017-02-27
Yeah its directly effecting their hero's and in turn effecting them in a real way.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Nice. Gotta indoctrinate those kids early!
n/a zangent 2017-02-27
Did you read the post? All it said is that OP's son heard about a story, researched it to find out the unbiased truth, and came to their own conclusions about what happened. What about that is indoctrination?
Although this was posted on /r/conspiracy, which has a bit of a bad reputation, the contents of this post are harmless and positive. Whether or not you agree with what Pewdiepie did, you have to give credit to a child who forms their own opinions.
Placing blind trust in a corporation (this goes for anyone, from Breitbart to CNN) is foolish. You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" to recognize that if you only see one side of a story, you're not getting the whole story.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Actually. The post says the kid heard pewdiepie say something. And took it as fact. That's a super biased point of view being presented to an impressionable young person by someone of influence, which is being taken as fact.
n/a zangent 2017-02-27
I'm basing what I said on other posts OP's made, where she says that he went through the effort of researching multiple viewpoints.
I'm not sure how much of this an 11-year-old could understand, but it seems like he at least put effort into looking at multiple sources. I think that's definitely praise-worthy, considering his age. It's a mature thing to do. Obviously, he won't have the same insight into the situation that you and I have. I'm sure we both have experience discerning fact from fiction and opinion, and under that lens this post may not seem great, but everyone has to start critically thinking sometime. It looks like he's heading in the right direction, and he's probably not there yet, but I think this post is hardly "indoctrination."
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
If political affiliations were switched I highly doubt you wouldn't consider this indoctrination of a child. Let me phrase it this way. If in this situation everyone was on the opposite side. The right attacking a left figure. Would you now be so willing to defend this is this rightist figure was spouting to thousands of impressionable children how all right based media is propaganda and are lies to push their motive. How would that make you feel? Would you still feel that this child came to his own logical conclusion of a highly controversial topic which he does not understand ( I wonder how many 11 year olds understand the political climate in America, and the history of anti Semitic behaviour). Would you still feel this is honestly what the child told his mother he believes, and not the child believing what he was told.
n/a zangent 2017-02-27
No need to get angry. Seriously, I'm trying to have a mature conversation to see your side, but it's clear that you won't make it worth my time.
I think it's hilarious how you assume that I'm a conservative. I'm a fucking Green party voter - about as far as you can come. That said, I completely stand behind free speech and comedy.
I never said this story was believable. I just said that what it portrays is not indoctrination, but it is encouragement for verifying sources.
No need to get defensive, I just wanted to see your side and share mine
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
It's funny that me refuting things you say is "getting angry". Never did I get angry. But if you want to use your reply to talk about how angry and unreasonable I am, rather then refute the points I brought up then go for it. I won't reply again though.
n/a candycanejunglegym 2017-02-27
Congrats you're as smart as an 11 year old
n/a facereplacer3 2017-02-27
High five!
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
So essentially this Pewdiepie guy , who buy the way I will never forgive any of you for making me watch 4 minutes of his videos, told your son that everything on TV is a lie. Your son then believed him without question despite the incredibly obvious conflict of interests, and you proceeded to laud his critical thinking and that he shouldn't immediately believe everything he sees without question.
Did I get that right?
n/a samout 2017-02-27
The kid didn't seem to repeat what Pewdiepie said literally though, it seemed he made up his own conclusion about "what else are they lying about"? The video in question never makes any assertations like that, and just says with proof that whatever they wrote about him this time just wasn't true.
n/a whatmaidoinghere 2017-02-27
No you did not get it right.
n/a gambletillitsgone 2017-02-27
These were my thoughts exactly. Dad is proud because this time son has beliefs that match his own.
I think its dad actually has real conversations about what is what
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Mom
n/a MusicMole 2017-02-27
$0.02 in ShareBlue tendie bux has been allocated to your business account.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
WTF is ShareBlue. I've been told I'm in JIDF, Hasbarah, Langley, Eglin, CTR and that other one from a few weeks ago. I can't even keep up with you guys.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
JIDF, hasbara, and CTR - sure. Your comments are perfectly in line with all that.
Langley? Um, I'm guessing no, no one actually told you that. They stuck to JIDF and Hasbara. Don't try to confuse the issue.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
Do I fit ShareBlue though?
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Of course.
But you are definitely not CIA, nor MI6. Your propaganda is shit-tier Democrat Zionism.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
So which one is it? JIDF, Hasbarah, CTR, ShareBlue or Soros?
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
They are all generally compatible. JIDF and hasbara are the same thing, CTR and ShareBlue are the same thing (actually funded by the same people, ShareBlue is just CTR post-Clinton campaign) and Soros is basically the grandfather of "progressive astroturf."
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
That's good to know. I'll check if I can get more than one check every month then. Thanks!
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
I had to tell you this but it doesn't pay very well.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
My point exactly.
n/a doifitin 2017-02-27
I know you're joking, but you can actually get paid for what you're doing (if you're not already).
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
I'll consider this. By the way, have you tried the new Coke?
n/a thatsnogood 2017-02-27
Waahhhhhh everyone I disagree with is a paid shill.
n/a creq 2017-02-27
Rule #10
n/a MusicMole 2017-02-27
Fair enough, bur check the comment history, I don't call people out for no reason.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Let me add a little more context here. When the PewDiePie news broke, I asked my son what's up withe PewDiePie drama, knowing that he was a fan. He went on to tell me that it was a joke taken out of context. I told him to do some research before forming his own opinion on the matter. And then I completely forgot about the conversation and never brought it up again. This morning he came at me with the stuff I wrote above. Apparently he did do some research and the most important thing he took from it was that if MSM lied or blew something like this out of proportion, what else do they lie about. He's a smart, logical kid.
I think it's also important to point out that I am like an anomaly in the conspiracy theorist "demographic". Middle aged, college educated, White, lesbian. The fact that I am woke also speaks volumes for our times.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-27
Maybe you should teach him that the "MSM" isn't a single entity, but a catch all term for many many many news outlets. The vast majority of those news outlets didn't even report on this stupid PewdiePie drama.
Maybe you should teach him that just because CNN is bad at reporting on things, that doesn't mean that NPR is bad at reporting things. Just for instance.
n/a dissdigg 2017-02-27
CNN and NPR are both bad, period. People see right through this crap dude, why do you bother? Just trying to boost the noise to signal at this point?
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-27
Wtf are you talking about? Are you calling me a shill because I like to take a reasoned, skeptical stance on things?
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
Welcome.
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-27
What?
n/a RetBullWings 2017-02-27
....to /r/conspiracy
n/a hcmathis22 2017-02-27
Practically every single major news media outlet is owned by one of 5 companies. So referring to those "many many many many" outlets is slightly off. It's all pretty bad at the moment.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
I googled. Here's a helpful list of websites not owned by said 5 companies:
http://memepoliceman.com/corporate-media-control/
n/a hcmathis22 2017-02-27
While that piece covers some valid points, they also try to make it seem that IF those companies really do own that much of the media (they kind of ended up saying, "so, these guys might ACTUALLY own all of the major television news media outlets that people watch and listen to without hesitation, but look, rush Limbaugh and NPR aren't under those guys!") there is no real problem because they compare the situation to market domination parallels in beer, commercial airplanes, and cars. Pretty stupid comparison honestly.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
Yeah I agree. However their list seems fine, and it seems to include very major news outlets, so you can stay in mainstream media territory and avoid the big 5 without even working that hard.
n/a hcmathis22 2017-02-27
You're absolutely right. Just seems like they were trying to reach a little too far in the long run on that write up.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
If you go as politically incorrect as paying Africans a few dollars to hold a sign saying "death all all Jews" and dance, you're not going to bea presentor for Disney. This is the way of the world. It's not even about antisemitism, it should be obvious to whoever is remotely in touch with what Disney should be looking for in terms of public image management.
If that makes your son think that everyone is lying about everything, without thinking of any alternatives, then you may like where he's got to but I wouldn't put it as doing meaningful research. You could introduce him to Hanlon's Razor if you care about his view of the world. Or you could ask him to explain to you why the media is conspiring against Pewdiepie.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
He should have written a song called "Kill the White People" then he could be broadcast on the major TV networks.
n/a unruly_mattress 2017-02-27
I Googled it.
Followed by Eddie Murphy getting kicked off the stage. Sounds about right.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Personally I found the skit to be pretty funny. But then again I'm not a thin skinned Jew paranoid that a joke is going to start the next holocaust.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
it's a joked he was even surprised when they did it since when he asked for absurd things from other people they declined. he didn't expect for them to do, he expected them to decline it.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
"lol let's see if these poor people are so desperate that they'll degrade themselves and hold up a really offensive sign"
"OMGLOL they did it! well, this clearly isn't my fault whatsoever"
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
I have read the full WSJ article and watched his entire reaction, and anyone who has done the same will come to the same conclusion --- there is one person misrepresenting the situation, and it's not the WSJ.
They never accused him of being a Nazi, they never tried to have his show taken off YouTube. They just presented a story that said, "Look, the most popular person on all of YouTube --- one who is bankrolled by Disney --- is using a lot of Nazi images and anti-Semitic jokes in his videos. Here are the nine times he's done it."
n/a yrtseprat 2017-02-27
Is it not an embarrassing contradiction to be middle aged and college educated and use slang like "woke" and "red pilled" which are phrases that appear to mainly circulate among nerdy teenage boys, often in the context of weird sexist theories that have little basis in reality(I know what subreddit I'm on).
n/a a_mad_scotsman 2017-02-27
okay corporate media didn't get one wrong did they make it out to bigger than it was yes
pewdiepie paid for this video Via fiverr
pewdiepie also paid for this video
so both content creators were banned by fiverr and pewdiepie got dropped by his Network who are own by disney, Youtube,
n/a Adezar 2017-02-27
Not even close. The media tried to make something out of nothing that all of his followers knew was nothing, and therefore the media made themselves look untrustworthy.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
Yup! The kid does not blindly believe the Media because he blindly believes PewDiePie instead.
n/a _WorldNewsLies_ 2017-02-27
This kid deserves a some positive reinforcement on this! Ice cream night, or an afternoon at the arcade for this BASED young man!
(Because, let's face it... redpill that young WILL make those suckers drop!)
n/a warrioratwork 2017-02-27
What do you mean by BASED in this context?
n/a breakfast_organisms 2017-02-27
Yes!! Listen to your chosen authority, no matter what anyone else says. Red pill red pill!
n/a turbosympathique 2017-02-27
Now multiply this by 1 000 000
n/a Fedorabro69 2017-02-27
You need to understand something about the media. They're a business, and in order to make money they need people to buy their publications and watch their news. This means that they will tell stories that they think their target audience will read. They want to evoke a reaction of some kind in their audience which is not dissimilar from what Internet trolls do.
At the same time, they usually don't tell outright lies. They just frame existing information in such a way as to get your attention. You can still get very accurate information from the mainstream media if you know how to read it.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Actually they very often do.
n/a Fedorabro69 2017-02-27
Not really. Usually it's just misleading language or half truths rather than full on lies.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
It's quite often outright lies.
n/a Fedorabro69 2017-02-27
Whatever, that wasn't even the main idea of my post. It changes nothing.
n/a dissdigg 2017-02-27
The main idea of your post was bullshit. And starting it out with the immature condescending line :
doesn't help your case at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MSM is operating at a complete loss at the moment. They are losing viewership and ratings just to constantly push the outright lies to us. "They don't usually lie to us"? That's probably the most ignorant statements you can make in a sub like this.
n/a Fedorabro69 2017-02-27
OK captain confrontational.
n/a HenkHoden 2017-02-27
Yo, what's the pewdiepie incident?
n/a NotANinja 2017-02-27
Youtube shock jock hit controversy gold with an anti-semetic joke, Disney dropped their sponsorship(which even he has said is totally understandable) and now he's being persecuted for it with internet fame.
n/a HenkHoden 2017-02-27
Thx
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-27
I think it's important that you stress that blanket generalisations are also a problem.
For instance, "the media" didn't really lie about PewdiePie, a few outlets did. Most news orgs didn't even talk about it.
But it's good that your son is learning to think for himself and not blindly trust authority.
n/a jc5504 2017-02-27
Actually he is blindly trusting the authority of PewDiePie. PewDiePie could be completely wrong, but this mod wouldn't know that and would accept his words blindly.
n/a xSapphire 2017-02-27
Pewdiepie backed up his claims against the WSJ with actual proof and evidence that they were spreading slander about him.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
No he didn't. The entire WSJ article was presented as "the most popular person on YouTube is using a series of Nazi images in his jokes and parody."
His response was "they didn't explain that it was all just a joke."
No, they did. That's exactly how it was presented in the article.
PewDiePie wanted to be a provocateur, but then whined when he provoked a reaction he didn't like.
n/a xSapphire 2017-02-27
He was called a "hero to the nazis" after he condemned any support to neo-Nazism. Also, WSJ went to his partners before getting a response from Pewdiepie himself.
n/a JoePesciOfGoneFishin 2017-02-27
Where does that "hero of the Nazis" quote come from?
And yes, getting a comment from Disney is just basic journalism.
n/a Odojas 2017-02-27
But they didn't ask for a quote from Pewdie. That is common etiquette.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
Instead he's blindly trusting PewDiePiw
n/a krom_bom 2017-02-27
In this context, pewdie is a figure of authority.
n/a NoKnewNamesLeft 2017-02-27
It's hard to not blindly trust for a lot of people it seems. Even when people get "woke" they end up in places like this sub and then go on to blindly trust every conspiracy theory they see.
I think the folks that do that are just in this to be contrarian.
n/a Thoutzan 2017-02-27
Congrats !
n/a elcad 2017-02-27
He's helping to dominate the woman in your life?
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
What does this even mean?
n/a elcad 2017-02-27
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/
n/a chasmoffaith 2017-02-27
Bahahahaha, this explains the whole cuck thing with the donald people, they were projecting.
n/a dedicated2fitness 2017-02-27
i mean all of these things originated from 4chan which is just a huge ball of sadness, anger and virginity left to stew
n/a chasmoffaith 2017-02-27
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-86-fash-the-patriarchy-feat-angela-nagle-22617
Chapo Trap House, a hilarious podcast, with this episode about dismantling the MAGA's and alt right
n/a Adezar 2017-02-27
I admit when I first saw the title I thought you were using the Red Pill like /r/TheRedPill/ does, which is to say "Once you know the truth, you can abuse women all you want".
Then I realized you used it in it's original form.
n/a merlynmagus 2017-02-27
The term actually is a reference to the movie The Matrix and not to that other sub and their views on women
n/a elcad 2017-02-27
Not my fault people here keep using newspeak. Pretty sure they got the term from the movie as well.
n/a RikaMX 2017-02-27
lmao not that type of red pill.
n/a polypolyguyguy 2017-02-27
Just hope some future YouTube personality doesn't come out praising CNN for being the only trustworthy network. He might change his mind.
I hope you monitor his viewing habits. Children can be easily swayed.
n/a CanfaceMAGA 2017-02-27
He basically redpilled an entire generation. More people are seeing through the media bull shit every day. Wonderful of you to tell him to do his own research, btw.
n/a Leachpunk 2017-02-27
THIS IS A MAJOR CONSPIRACY!
n/a weiss27md 2017-02-27
The conspiracy the media makes up news.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
There was a conspiracy against pewds to shut him down. So yeah, I'd say this is a conspiracy but of how much importance it is, is up to the person.
n/a OptimalDelusion 2017-02-27
The media conspiring to manipulate the masses is not a conspiracy?
n/a wiseclockcounter 2017-02-27
I don't think every post has to be a fully sourced expose' on some huge global conspiracy. However, when you consider that the biggest youtuber was just slandered and had his livelihood threatened by the MSM, it's still pretty big.
I think this is an appropriate place to have this kind of discussion. As the sub grows, it will absorb many different kinds of people. We should welcome conversation that brings us together.
n/a ScarredWolf1 2017-02-27
Awesome!
n/a scarletmagnolia 2017-02-27
It's a general trend to assume all who post in /r/conspiracy are men. Even those with super feminine sounding usernames.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
It's not just for this subreddit, it's what I do for reddit overall
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
because on the interwebs those beings called females don't exist. we are all 30 year old neck beard neats living in out parents basement while on the interwebs
n/a asus3000 2017-02-27
Brings a tear to my eye. Way to go 21st century! There is hope..
n/a DerFreieMann 2017-02-27
Well, the biggest impact media has is through telling half-truths and thereby lies.
I don't really care too much about how an article is written anymore (democrat, liberal, sjw, etc. ) it's more the content that interests me. If you know the different type of camps that sit behind each and every message, you become immune to the stupidity they try to enforce on others.
n/a GnarlyBellyButton87 2017-02-27
At first, I thought it was kind of bad that the most famous man on the internet was pulling viral stunts, making YouTubers and just the righter side of the internet look worse than we already do to the mainstream media.
But now that fifty million children are seeing and understanding exactly what's happening, I think this actually might be a really good thing for the next generations.
Normally, I wouldn't condone kids following in PewDiePie's footsteps because his humor is bland, repetitive and not something I'd like to see everyday, but if the end result is that the next generation of kids are skeptical of everything they read and want to dig deeper, then he can scream his face off.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
i don't like pewdiepie but i'd like to say that he has rather shifted towards a old filthy frank style of channel.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
i don't like pewdiepie but i'd like to say that he has rather shifted towards a old filthy frank style of channel.
n/a sciototrails 2017-02-27
Great post. Thanks.
n/a Aaronmcom 2017-02-27
Wall street journal isn't even main stream...
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
It actually is.
n/a Aaronmcom 2017-02-27
No. No it's not. You have to subscribe to it. It's on a website. Not on tv.
Unless you're one of those who think all the media is controlled by one entity. Or whatever.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
WSJ is one of the most mainstream media outlets in the entire country. It's the second or third most "mainstream" daily newspaper and has been for decades.
n/a Aaronmcom 2017-02-27
Bullshit. Almost nobody looks at WSJ which is why they are going after pewdiepie to get people to look at their garbage.
Who reads newspapers? Old people. Thats all. It's like being the best VHS producer.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Who runs the country? Old people.
Who read the WSJ? The old rich people that run the country.
Just so you know - WSJ has a very sophisticated online operation. WSJ isn't free because unlike the NYT and the WP, people will actually PAY to read the WSJ. It's that good.
n/a PrincessOfDrugTacos 2017-02-27
This made me cry, both because I'm happy this is happy but also because these kids shouldn't have to worry about this.
n/a PodestaMolesta 2017-02-27
"You get a redpill, you get a red pill, everybody gets a redpill!"
n/a hypnotica420x 2017-02-27
the media had to fuck up eventually.
thank god for 2016
n/a janeandbilly 2017-02-27
I would be so proud. And good for you for encouraging him to try to get as much information on his own as possible!
Cheers to being woke ass mommas. 🍻
n/a tambogaming 2017-02-27
The fire rises
n/a conspiracy_polak2 2017-02-27
This is hilarious, the main stream media are a bunch of retards. They just made a generation of kids skeptical of the main stream media for years to come. Think of the ripples this will enact.
n/a BangForABuck 2017-02-27
I wouldn't mind too much, you are not his real father and you will never be. Could be a phase, maybe he accepts you as his father in the future.
n/a Makejokesillegal 2017-02-27
I still can't believe the left were stupid enough to go for fucking Pewdiepie
Congratz on sending more to the right
n/a Adezar 2017-02-27
Uh, it wasn't the left... it was just the media making up fake outrage (for ratings, not some agenda).
It is hard to stay right for long while being willing to fact-check things.
n/a tecomancat 2017-02-27
WSJ is owned by Newscorp
n/a greenteamrocket 2017-02-27
Go buy him a Crosby Stills Nash and Young album.
n/a FeelThatBern 2017-02-27
i was saying this the first time they called him a nazi.
n/a breakfast_organisms 2017-02-27
Definitely. "They" should all be destroyed. "They" are ruining what should be a beautiful authoritarian revival. Down with the MSM! Down with third-party verification! Only the word of my chosen authority figure is fact!
n/a omnicidial 2017-02-27
That sounds like my kids they're like little viruses infecting their peers.
n/a bloodfoxtrue 2017-02-27
People, e.g. my teachers, used to say, don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Sad to see that this fact applies to the news now (well, maybe it always did, but it seems like things are worse than ever. Journalistic ethics are only followed when it's convenient it seems)
n/a alphex 2017-02-27
I hope it was an awakening of critical thinking skills. Other wise he's just sheep following Party B instead of Party A.
n/a JamesColesPardon 2017-02-27
What I would tell him (or what I would tell my little ones once they ask).
Flip it around. Trust, but verify.
And there are still others who watch that stuff knowing how fake it is because that's what they like to watch on TV for whatever reason. So even people like cooking shows. Others like documentaries.
n/a LeBrons_Mom 2017-02-27
Tell him you're just watching for the local weather and traffic.
n/a Mcmuphin 2017-02-27
You're sure you're his mother?
n/a senyari 2017-02-27
/ourboy/ woke af👌
n/a InsuranceGuy22 2017-02-27
Not sure if being 'red pilled' is a good thing or a bad thing...what is the statement you are making here? Are you glad or upset about this? Seems to me like your son is growing up and starting to think his own thoughts - this is a good thing. Secondly, (I assume you're from the US and I'm sorry if I'm incorrect) how about your President? Not a day goes by where he's not saying something like "Don't trust the media, it's fake news" ...
n/a xaqaria 2017-02-27
Remind him that you don't have to trust something in order to learn from it. We shouldn't be cutting out sources of information, just see it for what it is.
n/a originalityescapesme 2017-02-27
This is absolutely a point I wish more people would make. I purposefully get my news from a pretty large spread and go out of my way to include places that have known bias. The more information my mind has on just about anything, the better off my understanding will be.
n/a xaqaria 2017-02-27
If the news or Trump or anyone is lying, its better to hear the lies for yourself than to just take someone else's word for it. Everyone is calling everyone a liar these days.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
/r/ThatHappened
Gets better with:
Holy shit this shilling is pathetic.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Lol yep. Not to mention the claim that this 11 year old researched multiple opinions on this, and came to an "unbiased" opinion. As if an 11 year old can properly do those things.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
It was just such a retarded Trumpish line....
My VERY INFLUENTIAL son has a BIG GROUP of friends where he will SPREAD THIS IDEA.
What an idiot.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Naw man. 11 year olds totally wanna hear about the injustice he faced. Screw talking about video games, friends, recess plans, or other child like things.
n/a RedekerWasRight 2017-02-27
Are you saying 11 year olds don't want to talk about PewDiePie? They are totally talking about the media making him lose his movie.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
wont be long before he's taken his iron pill and pinning for the days of white people rejecting christianity and embracing the mishmash of various badly documented and poorly understood beliefs that they think european paganism was.
n/a TroubadourCeol 2017-02-27
It buys into their beliefs so they fall for it easily. Critical thinking on this sub is a rarity.
Personally I prefer to look at this as /r/conspiracy confirming they have all the mental facilities of an 11-year-old. More fun that way.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
I've never thought of it that way. She just confirmed they do have the same thought process as 11 year olds. Damn.
n/a ThrowawayDJer 2017-02-27
then leave
n/a TroubadourCeol 2017-02-27
I'm only here because I saw this on /r/all. That's the only reason I ever come here.
n/a MrGreggle 2017-02-27
I think people would be surprised at what kind of constructive things kids do given access to the unlimited information available on the internet. I know that when I was 11 half of what I was googling was DBZ spoilers, but I also made my way into making my own geocities website.
n/a Aukos 2017-02-27
It's not hard to believe an 11yo would defend his favorite celebrity in a way that the celebrity does himself. He's just following PDP's lead, not coming to that conclusion on his own.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Yes exactly. This kid is simply repeating what his idol says. The mother tries to claim he researched the topic and came to this "unbiased" conclusion. Such bullshit. Yet this is the top post on conspiracy today.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I gain absolutely nothing from this post being at the top today. Simply sharing a proud moment with like minded people.
n/a Spookypanda 2017-02-27
Then why is this is conspiracy? What is the conspiracy here? There isn't one. Just propaganda about the indoctrination of a child. Good parents don't force political beliefs on children too young to form their own opinions.
n/a Icantspellshit 2017-02-27
on the upside it's a refreshing change from pizzagate related posts.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
Exactly, that's something we can all agree on. But OP makes it sound like his kid is "redpilled" an has undergone a big awakening.
n/a ThrowawayDJer 2017-02-27
then get out.
n/a Can_You_Feel_It_MrK 2017-02-27
Yeah if the kid was 17 it would be more believable. But 11? That's 6th grade.
n/a WallyWinthrop 2017-02-27
While I'm not convinced one way or the other it could just be a case of "my little Billy is so smart" syndrome.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Shill my fucking ass: apparently my boy made a YouTube video a week ago on his thoughts about this. I appreciate and respect your skeptism, but : https://youtu.be/LnQkPzTmhB4
Get past about the 2 minute mark because he's talking about his new microphone at first.
n/a twodogsonelawn 2017-02-27
Awwww he has such a sweet cute voice I just want to hug him. Good for him. My boyfriends nephew is 8 and can also take videos like this and forms opinions. Technology at a young age seems to help with logical reasoning and thinking. Although right now his little nephew says everything is "wacist". My boyfriend referenced to someone on tv by saying the "the black girl" and his nephew said "you can't say black that's wacist."
n/a dedicated2fitness 2017-02-27
uhhh you may not want to link to his video in this particular subreddit. the cancer is real
n/a dopeedits 2017-02-27
Don't link to personal information
n/a darkscyde 2017-02-27
I had to scroll so far down to find this commet. This sub is ridiculous,man...
n/a bobluvsbananas 2017-02-27
Why are certain people in this sub all of a sudden pushing this PeeDiPie guy on us? He's a fucking YouTuber who's using this situation for extra views. Do these ppl not realize they're being used by a greedy piece of shit Tuber to make money?
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
He's only the most successful youtuber of all time, don't you see what a victim the ~MSM~ has made him
n/a albatrawesome 2017-02-27
The only reason I'm still subbed is because I genuinely fear this growing group of people who are so anti-establishment (which I agree with very much to a certain extent), yet who are also vehemently against progressive ideals. While this post is ridiculous, I have a 15 year old brother who spends a lot of time on youtube/reddit who has very much been repeating a lot of alt-right rhetoric. Our parents are immigrants, I'm queer, my other brother is an artist and he's been verbalizing some really intense political ideology that sort of goes against all of us adult members of the family. I find it interesting. I think the pendulum has certainly swung in a more liberal direction in the past few years, but not even to make actual change and certainly enough to make more conservative and/or alt-righters afraid, and I'm nervous it will swing back the other way even stronger.
n/a RidinTheMonster 2017-02-27
It really is scary. I know im going to be called an alarmist, but this is exactly the kind of propoganda Hitler jumped on to aid his rise of fascism.
They're capturing the vague feelings of resentment and distrust toward the 'powers that be', and they're putting faces on those targets. The people are smart enough to sense something is wrong, but they're not smart enough to figure out what. This is why it's so easy for them to fall into the dangerous trap of hate if there's a movement that can direct their fear for them. This is literally what Hitlers rise to power was built on, and I seriously believe we're starting to see similiar things happen.
Scary times
n/a grackychan 2017-02-27
Good for your brother
n/a tamrix 2017-02-27
You should leave this sub before your feelings get hurt.
n/a Valleyoan 2017-02-27
Yea I lost it when I saw that comment too. Retarded ass troll.
n/a Ziharkk 2017-02-27
Shareblue does the shilling though.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
Nobody compares to the 500k+ votebotting /r/The_Donald subreddit.
Feel free to list off the giant retard liberal subreddits that ban even their own team for not being passionate enough.
n/a Dandy-Space-Guy 2017-02-27
"They're an active community that I don't like. They must be botting"
n/a HilterDidNothingBad 2017-02-27
Love how you're so Anti-Trump! Better push T_D under the brigade! This thread wasn't even about Trump, it was about some person's kid waking up to realize the news is printed with personal interests in mind.
If you go to T_D, and look at the top posts that hit r/all, T_D is being vote botted AGAINST. Their r/all posts ALWAYS are at 50% upvoted.
I'll list most of the GIANT RETARDED LIBERAL VOTE BOTTING SHAREBLUE subreddits for you. r/DonaldTrumpSucks, r/DumpTrump, r/ImpeachTrump, r/stop_trump, r/esist, r/TheResistance, r/TrumpInvestigation, r/AntiTrumpAlliance, r/NeverTrump, r/Fuckthealtright, r/MarchAgainstTrump, r/TrumpNicknames, /r/TaxMarch, r/ShitThe_DonaldSays, r/Trumpgret, r/EnoughTrumpSpam, r/TinyhandsInc, r/Fat_Donald, r/BadDonald, r/DonaldTrumpSucks.
It's totally NATURAL that a lot of these subreddits are made and then a day later end up on top of r/all with TONS of upvotes.. Totally natural nothing to see.
n/a lKyZah 2017-02-27
watch the pewdiepie vids on the situation, alot of his viewers are young , its nearly definite that alot of them now dislike the media that pewds mentions alot in the vid
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
I doubt his young viewers give a shit about that crap. He did not get a fanbase from any of this attention-whoring crap.
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
lol why don't you go back to making creepy comments on nsfw subreddits "I like your lack of confidence, your insecurity makes you seem obtainable". Fucking weird as hell.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
You struck gold with that mining, huh. You guys are pathetic.
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
Yeah, took all of 5 seconds before seeing that you made a creepy ass comment just days ago and I had enough. I don't think your views on what is pathetic are very rational given that you make pathetic and creepy comments to girls on the internet that you don't even know. But then again if other people's insecurities get you going, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not very secure with yourself.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-02-27
I don't know her?
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
TIL pointing out people making creepy and pathetic comments is worse than actually being creepy and pathetic 😂 you're some top tier cringe dude. Bravo
n/a MrsBoombastic98 2017-02-27
Wow, great lesson for the kid. You have to learn the truth one day.
n/a SpaceshotX 2017-02-27
CNN and the other big guys are shot in head, blood everywhere, no pulse.
They're dead, Jim. They're all dead.
Except Fox.
n/a stinksskc 2017-02-27
Youre either with them or against them. There is no grey area anymore
n/a Gmtom 2017-02-27
Make sure you let him know its still worth looking at what the MSM has to say as long as youre skeptical and do youre own research as well.
n/a originalityescapesme 2017-02-27
Bingo.
n/a Raptors_remember 2017-02-27
Local news will be much more accurate than nation wide coverage too.
n/a robot_one 2017-02-27
Because it's important to pay attention to the narrative.
n/a unCredableSource 2017-02-27
Exactly, I like to know what it is that they want me to know.
n/a StaffSummarySheet 2017-02-27
I agree to an extent, but it's usually more of an issue of distracting you from what they don't want you to pay attention to rather than giving you false information, though that seems to have ramped up in the past few years/decade.
n/a wiseclockcounter 2017-02-27
There was an awesome post that I think was stickied recently, x-posted from /r/criticalshowerthoughts, about the purpose of MSM being to convince a person that everyone else believes something, not to purely convince him what to believe.
Considering it in that respect, keeping up with the narrative is an important tool to be able to navigate the social sphere and how people might think. It lets you formulate conversational redpills and arguments, research approaches that you can take to back up your claims, etc.
n/a perfectdarktrump 2017-02-27
ive been watching CNN like no other person ever since the start of the election. Thats how i know they lie.
n/a tamrix 2017-02-27
I don't even watch TV any more to even consider watching mainstream media.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
I look at it like this. I don't trust everything the media says. I trust them to inform of what's going on but not to inform me of what conclusions i should reach or believe. If there was a school shooting that happened then i would turn to the news to get an idea of what happened. After that, i take to the Internet to research exactly how it happened and what the news got wrong. But honestly, it seems i get all my news from the web now or from word of mouth since i don't use FB or any other social media.
n/a thefailedabortion_ 2017-02-27
Anyone else laugh their asses off when they read the title?
n/a weisstheimmaculate 2017-02-27
Immediately thought she was saying her son was seduced by PewDiePie, yep.
n/a captainkaleb 2017-02-27
Tell him the truth, you can't trust anyone further than you can throw them.
n/a thefailedabortion_ 2017-02-27
But in all seriousness, I think the underlying issues is that Pewdiepie was a casual kid-friendly (for the most part) YouTuber. Now, he sort of red pilled himself to try to fit in with Filthy Frank, Idubbbz, H3H3 etc. So, to sort of stop the red-pilling I suggest you just filter what he watches? Or possibly let him know that what they are saying is all satire and that you should not take it seriously.
n/a Jchagar 2017-02-27
At the moment I look at this post, the vote ups are 666. :)
n/a putriidx 2017-02-27
What happened with PewDiePie? I heard something about Nazi or the N word but can't find out what else.
n/a notSherrif_realLife 2017-02-27
Check my comment history for a bit of context if you want.
n/a YouDisagreeWithMe 2017-02-27
When the whole PewDiePie thing came out I had only seen him a couple of times, but it didn't quite sit right with me. So I went to the best source I had... a 14yo daughter that watched him.
She explained what really happened and said it was all blown out of proportion and was completely misconstrued. Didn't take long for me to validate it based on his videos.
It was really dumb to create a false outrage around someone with so many followers and so much available information, it did completely change how my kids perceive the media.
n/a duped88 2017-02-27
I think you should be praised more that some youtuber for encouraging your son to critically examine any news he consumes.
n/a backplow 2017-02-27
But then again I'm not sure how much of this post may not be.
n/a pilotandabastard 2017-02-27
I guess that's a good thing - if you agree with the tenets of being red pilled.
n/a Azh1aziam 2017-02-27
Can someone explain the situation with pewdiepew
n/a ChipyGlitchy 2017-02-27
He made a video making fun of the far right but people took it as him being anti-semitic and started calling him a racist when the original video was made to insult racism. The far right has latched on to him even though he was always a moderate and now theres like a slight tug of war with PewDiePie still insulting both sides of the spectrum.
n/a Azh1aziam 2017-02-27
And who is this guy who's opinion matters and is apparently monumental?
n/a notSherrif_realLife 2017-02-27
His opinion isn't monumental, but he is regarded as probably the most popular YouTuber. His target audience is basically gamers, but I believe the majority of his viewers are under 18.
He recently started to make videos that are more "honest" with himself, and wanted to use his influence to combat racism. The media ran with it but takes tiny clips or pictures with no context from these videos to make him seem anti-semitic. I think even the NYT is running with these false accusations.
Part of the reason it's getting a lot of traction as well is because he had a deal in the works to have a TV show with Disney, and Disney had to pull out of the deal because of the anti-Semitic claims whether they were true or not.
n/a Azh1aziam 2017-02-27
AHHHH ok ok..spot on explanation sir! I had heard of him and to be honest found him kinda annoying, and as a gamer I'd say his target audience is definitely under 18
n/a usrn 2017-02-27
It's a bit more than that. Allegedly, failstream media published their crap and contacted the guys sponsors to hurt him.
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
He had a video with people dancing with signs saying kill all jews. He cant blame the media just like i couldnt if i got fired for the same thing.
n/a usrn 2017-02-27
I don't watch his videos, but this controversy made me check the last couple of videos.
I had the impression that he was really taken out of context, but still he acknowledged that he might have gone too far.
n/a notSherrif_realLife 2017-02-27
That's even worse. What a shit show...
n/a admdrew 2017-02-27
I mean, he even said he understands his sponsors dropping him.
n/a ChipyGlitchy 2017-02-27
He's a huge deal. He has the most subscribers on youtube ever and he makes millions of dollars a year as a content creator.
Being a douche about his status and important to a growing generation doesn't nullify it, it just makes you seem out of touch.
n/a Azh1aziam 2017-02-27
Nah I just don't concern myself with the opinions and gossip of a YouTube celebrity..I have like work and school and stuff.
n/a usrn 2017-02-27
in short: the guy got rich by making videos about himself playing video games. He has a gazillion young followers.
Meanwhile you and I were working our asses off, this guy sat on chair played games and made commentary on it.
n/a Dragofireheart 2017-02-27
hahahahahahaha
Lots of Shareblue shills being asinine to you?
n/a blueweed908 2017-02-27
This PewDiePie saga really blew up in the agitators face.
n/a Theres_A_FAP_4_That 2017-02-27
A tear has been bought forth in m eye.
n/a dinkmoyd 2017-02-27
I guess I'm out of the loop a little, but what situation happened with PewDiePie that has children not trusting the media anymore?
n/a Ponsif 2017-02-27
Congrats, your kid knows how to parrot things.
n/a classic_msia 2017-02-27
What is red pilling?
n/a notSherrif_realLife 2017-02-27
I'm sure someone here can give you a better or more clear description... but the jist of it is this: it's a reference from the Matrix when Morpheus offers Neo the option to take the blue pill and go back to his fake world plugged into the matrix, or take the red pill and go down the rabbit hole.
It's kind of a term from waking you up from the fake reality of something you are exposed to.
n/a breakfast_organisms 2017-02-27
Judging from context in this post, it means roughly "take the words from your chosen authority as fact, listen to nothing else"
n/a EightyNineMillion 2017-02-27
That's really awesome! Good on him, and good on you for being a great parent.
n/a MMPRDCR 2017-02-27
Awesome. Every one should be red pilled. The Mainstream media are straight up LIARS and can Suck my fucking dick.
n/a Chad_PUA 2017-02-27
You should applaud your son for not allowing himself to be brainwashed by the mainstream media news' agenda. Only idiots believe without question what billionaire controlled corporations tell them.
n/a Ozey 2017-02-27
YEAH and I heard he's a NAZI TOO!
n/a thatsnogood 2017-02-27
I thought I was reading /r/circlejerk this sub really has declined lately.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
if you want a real /r/circlejoke then go the /r/politics or /r/the_donald . both are equal in the amount of circle jerking.
n/a trapbyrd 2017-02-27
Im not sure if your 11 year old son should be watching pewdiepie. He swears and often makes sexual references in his style of comedy. There's nothing wrong with this kind of personality, but a kid like him should watch regular cartoons instead.
n/a TronCatSwaggin 2017-02-27
The average 8-11 year old has access to some kind of smart device so they can watch whatever they want on YouTube.
n/a joequery0 2017-02-27
This is true. But I also think it shouldn't be that way.
n/a Drunken_Mimes 2017-02-27
What the heck does that have to do with Red Pill? I thought that was a term used for misogynistic, gym, tan, women manipulating, sexist, alpha males. At least the subreddit on reddit is built around those...
n/a craigdevlin 2017-02-27
It does this sub has just gone toxic since the election of Trump.
n/a LeftHookGary 2017-02-27
Its from the matrix... Red pill or Blue pill? It means to see the truth.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
For every group that uses the term, there is a different ideology that is "truth".
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Bullshit. The guys who post in /r/TheRedPill don't get nearly the attention from women that misogynistic, gym, tan woman manipulating sexist alpha males get.
n/a Drunken_Mimes 2017-02-27
haha, you may be right. I actually spent 3 or 4 months subscribed to that sub just to see what it was all about, and it really is just garbage.
n/a hypernova2121 2017-02-27
wow, spoken like a true beta
females are a prize to be won
if you accidentally treat the females like they are a unique person, you are a cuck
/s
n/a ThankGodIExist 2017-02-27
Are you stupid? Have you watched the Matrix??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4
If you weren't so uncultured and uneducated, maybe you'd be redpilled too
n/a Mentalpatient87 2017-02-27
Jesus..
n/a ThankGodIExist 2017-02-27
if you havent watched the matrix then sorry u are uncultured
n/a Drunken_Mimes 2017-02-27
The matrix is one of my favorite movies, I've just always seen the red pill used as a term for or relating to the subreddit on reddit.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
And then everyone clapped, right?
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Yeah. Just like how your mom's fat ass claps when she walks.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
I'm not sure what's more sad. Your reply, or the fact you're making up a clearly bullshit story for karma.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I really don't have anything to gain by making this up. I am a casual Reddit user and am not even entirely sure what having high karma points does to benefit me on here.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Wait, actually I did figure out what was most sad about the situation. Instead of your son taking this lesson as "your actions and words have consequences" he took it as "people I like couldn't have done something wrong, therefore people are lying about it." And then you patted him and yourself on the back for it.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
You're a big man. I get it.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Nice rebuttal, almost as good as the one talking about my mom's ass.
This is definitely the kind of person that talks about how woke they are.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I apologize. Got a little frustrated.
n/a 2OP4me 2017-02-27
Congratulations, you indoctrinated your son. Good job.
n/a Dlgredael 2017-02-27
Shitty people don't care that they're breeding more shitty people unfortunately. All we can hope is that the kid is smart enough to reject his retarded mom's worldview when he gets older.
n/a spezzingout 2017-02-27
On /r/conspiracy standing up for mainstream media.
Welp, seen it all. I can die now. When conspiracy theorists turn pro establishment I think it's time to pop some pills and go out in style.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Not sticking up for mainstream media. I'm sticking up for making your own decisions. ACTUALLY making your own decisions, not saying something because someone you look up to thinks that way.
n/a spezzingout 2017-02-27
Talking about a kid bro. That may as well be the definition of being a kid. We all go through that phase. Some of us never come out of it, but we all go through it. It's the same reason college students often idolize their professors. The first person to convince us that the world is not what it seems, we usually follow them blindly for a while.
It's just part of growing up.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
Right, I understand that. Which is why I think this whole post is beyond stupid.
n/a Dlgredael 2017-02-27
This is you trying to be funny and offensive? Yeesh, you should stick to made-up stories for internet attention, hahah.
n/a trippy_grape 2017-02-27
$100%
n/a PieroTheBarber 2017-02-27
You should be proud
n/a DwarvenPirate 2017-02-27
So he just bought pewdiepie's story lock stock and barrel. So much for research. Fail.
n/a sceneredacted 2017-02-27
Outrage culture backfires already gave us Trump. Now they're losing the next generation too.
Well done, warriors. Hope it was worth the 2 seconds of feeling good after your angry tweet.
n/a usrn 2017-02-27
----kid proceeds to follow an authority----
n/a N64Dchess 2017-02-27
The child most likely had seen the PDP videos that the MSM was taking out of context to form a narrative. Then he concluded that they were in fact portraying him falsely. Everyone in this thread saying the kid was blindly following someone are probably blindly following someone.
n/a romanmoses 2017-02-27
If an authority tells you to breathe, wtf are you gonna do? Stop breathing? Can't tell if you're joking but if you aren't you're fucking dumb.
n/a REB99 2017-02-27
My husbands son
n/a samsterlicious 2017-02-27
'dad why dont you get all your news from pewdiepie like me'. eleven year olds are dumb
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
well yes they are dumb it's rather good for them to get some idea that they shouldn't blindly trust the media.
n/a tamrix 2017-02-27
Sadly some are dumber than 11yos. Like those that watch MSM
n/a docmartens 2017-02-27
Survey: NPR’s listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed
n/a GillsGT 2017-02-27
as opposed to the wall street journal?
n/a samsterlicious 2017-02-27
what are the whitelisted sources according to PewDiePie? who by the way is just an opiate for teenagers. consume more bro
n/a Kurtronic 2017-02-27
What is the conspiracy here?
n/a rudeboyx 2017-02-27
Does he listen to Alex Jones as well?
n/a instantcole 2017-02-27
Haha the response should have been, if the msm is reporting on celebrities and their personal beliefs then ignore it and read actual news that uses facts and doesnt take sides.
They wrote the piece on pewdiepie because he has a huge fan base and they new it would be shared in the social media (the real cesspool of fake news) it blew up on them but still got tons of exposure so i guess it worked.
n/a CBruce 2017-02-27
Dude, you need to watch PewdiePie's videoes. A lot of them are really inappropriate for an 11 year old.
n/a RazsterOxzine 2017-02-27
Listen mang, videoeoeos are fine for all ages... Unless you're some kinda square.
n/a turbo_stormy 2017-02-27
I am irritated, I just saw a comment that said "fnord" I went to upvote and it was deleted.
n/a LordofNarwhals 2017-02-27
"You shouldn't trust 'the media' (as if that's a single entity without widely varying opinions, agendas, and methodologies) but you should totally trust some millionaire gaming YouTuber's political opinions."
n/a WooTs_67 2017-02-27
There is a difference between a youtuber like pewdiepie and media.
You dont go to pewdiepie for news, so you dont have to trust him.
n/a change2016 2017-02-27
Gvvvg
n/a Heroofnow 2017-02-27
Your son should spend less time on the Internet lmao
n/a AusGeno 2017-02-27
People feel like they're woke now but the media just has you in circles taking about some kid on YouTube while the world burns. It's all just part of the plan.
"Hey look at that over there!"
n/a hypernova2121 2017-02-27
wake up sheeple!
n/a wile_e_chicken 2017-02-27
Call me a cynic, but I have to wonder whether this is a psyop to help drive a wedge between young and old.
n/a AllTheWayTrump 2017-02-27
Congratulations on having a son who hasn't been completely indoctrinated.
n/a Kioutoua2 2017-02-27
The more information my mind has on just making the jokes or he is getting paid by Disney.
n/a somegirls 2017-02-27
Great, as long as he's not an unquestioning lemming.
n/a craftyshafter 2017-02-27
I'm so proud of your son :D
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
/r/thatHappened/
And everyone clapped. Geez wtf is up with your posts. You're a lesbian married to a man, your best friend is a man who is the father of your children and he also has a girlfriend. Sounds like you need a "red pill".
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I'm not married to a man. I'm even married.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
Thats even worse. Not only do you react positively to your child unquestionably believing some internet personality because it fits your world view they do not even have a father. I worry for your children.
n/a hypernova2121 2017-02-27
that seems like a pretty bizarre overreaction
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
Children raised by single parents are usually worse off, I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that. Secondly there is no way an eleven year old can fully grasp the whole situation with pewdiepie. Children will believe what an authority figure, or even someone older they look up to, tells them. Look at all the young people myself included who go/went to college and amass crippling debt for an increasingly small chance of a payoff, because their parents and teachers said so.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Again, you are making an assumption. I am not a single parent.
n/a ThankGodIExist 2017-02-27
actually they can.... media is dishonest and has an agenda, therefore they are not trustworthy. it's that simple. we could all learn a thing or two from kids sometimes
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
They do have a father. He's very involved in their lives and sees them 6 days a week. Instead of just having a sperm donor, I chose to have my best friend father my children. We co-parent 1,000 times better than divorced parents.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
Lets say hypothetically he marries and goes off to live with his wife and maybe start a family. Won't exactly be good co parents then.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Wtf man, keep trying. He is married. He lives two blocks from us. I am not a single parent, I am engaged.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
"Hi I'm courtrocksteady, I make up bullshit for internet points". Fuck off
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Now you are getting somewhere.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
I'm rolling in internet points! What can I do with them? Better put them to good use! Next round is on me, buddy!
n/a Trumpologist 2017-02-27
You go girl!
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
You are passing judgement without knowing the facts.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
Like your kid did.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
If you would like to compare your thought process with that of an 11 year, then, yes, like my kid did.
n/a Stopwatch064 2017-02-27
Glad you admit you are encouraging bad behavior in your child. The first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging it exists.
n/a oneindividual 2017-02-27
Anyone who uses the phrase "red pilled" shouldn't be allowed anywhere fucking NEAR children. That's beyond fucked up to raise them to be anti-semetic. And don't try to say it's anything but, I've read tons of r/alt-reich posts and they literally show pictures of jews being gassed and celebrate.
n/a courtrocksteady 2017-02-27
Me not being a single parent and my kids having a father in their lives are FACTS, not opinions.
n/a Cheesepizzaplzzzz 2017-02-27
Rekt
n/a PM_ME_UR_4E55444553 2017-02-27
Tyrannosaurus rekt
n/a Scroon 2017-02-27
Hey, conspiracy mom!
That's amazing about your son. Hope you listened to him. ;)
n/a Ninjason666 2017-02-27
When I was really young, my father and I stopped along side of the road as a tractor trailer was burning on the highway. We watched from the over pass as it burned for a half hour. We could see the whole thing. It was a lone auto involved in the accident and no one was injured. We know this because we spoke to a few police officers who were just hanging around. That night we get home and pop on the news. Sure enough, they run the story. Only in this "story" a few cars were involved (even though they showed footage of the ONE truck burning) and people were hurt. I was quite confused so I changed to a different news channel and waited for their "story". Same truck burning, only this time no other cars were involved but the driver was dead. I was 7 years old. I have never fully trusted anything the news has told me since then. That shit opened my eyes WIDE. They lied to sensationalize a very boring story. For no real reason other than to keep people watching. Fuck the news.
n/a BeautifulIowa 2017-02-27
A lot of my students watch PewDiePie - I now feel A LOT better about that (I was apathetic on PDP before)
n/a How1ntriguing 2017-02-27
Haha well ain't that something. Keep him on the right path
n/a FreshHotTakes 2017-02-27
Your poor brainwashed kid.
n/a zombiesz_ 2017-02-27
make sure to remind him that antisemitism isn't ok tho
n/a ochogiltrow 2017-02-27
Downvoted but then upvoted
n/a zombiesz_ 2017-02-27
i get what pewds is saying about the media but lmao the media did not make him ask fiverr funny guys to hold a sign saying 'death to jews'
n/a ochogiltrow 2017-02-27
Oh I thought you were being sarcastic..
n/a zombiesz_ 2017-02-27
LMAOOOO
n/a oneindividual 2017-02-27
Reffering to "redpilled"? Thanks for being a voice of reason the alt-reich is the stupidest shit i've ever seen, AND completely condradictory to conspiracy culture.
n/a Rootsinsky 2017-02-27
It's funny that you guys think this happened but you're on the fence about the moon landing being real or fake!
n/a Animblenavigator 2017-02-27
Brofist
n/a ExistentialAllegory 2017-02-27
But that man a juice box
n/a moeburn 2017-02-27
Okay did something change or does the term "red pill" no longer refer to something about dominating women, and is now back to being something about the Matrix?
n/a 2udaylatif 2017-02-27
It was always in reference to The Matrix
n/a Lonecrow66 2017-02-27
Redpills for everyone...
n/a remore15 2017-02-27
If that makes your son that everything on TV is a grain of truth in some jokes.
n/a Miko_07 2017-02-27
They tried to have subs that only cater to the movie The Matrix and not hamster an excuse for it.
n/a shadowstrikesagain 2017-02-27
break his arms and jerk him off
n/a disposable182 2017-02-27
You have a very intelligent kid.
n/a anthrolooksee 2017-02-27
He's got a great mom. :)
n/a Focker_ 2017-02-27
Good for him. He's on the right track. The "do your own research" bit from you should push him on track.
n/a tachyonflux 2017-02-27
Came here for the title, post lived up to the title.
n/a markevens 2017-02-27
Blatantly mistrusting a source is just as bad as blatantly trusting the source.
Piewdipie didn't do your son any favors if all he does is blindly trust some other source.
n/a the_real_kino 2017-02-27
I love how pewdiepie called em the "old school media" as it implies they are in their death throes. (Sic?)
n/a PETALUL 2017-02-27
CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
n/a ParamoreFanClub 2017-02-27
Lol @ people congratulating her.
n/a Toto_Swank1 2017-02-27
Show him a proper approach to skepticism. You'll do yourself, your son, and anyone he interacts with a favor.
n/a SillyGatz 2017-02-27
There is a difference between not trusting main stream media and not watching it entirely. If you isolate where you get your news from (watching MSNBC instead of Fox News and vice versa) then you're simply trusting a different organization with the same goal of sensationalizing what you hear to keep you watching. IIrc PewDiePie made a video talking about how the MSM has lied, and chances are if your son says that he doesn't trust the media, it's because he watched that video and trusts PewDiePie. However, this is just my take based on this post.
n/a berserker87 2017-02-27
No. WSJ redpilled your son. they just demonstrated to 50 million fucking kids how you can take things out of context and build a public case against someone and railroad them for clicks.
n/a brotherlymoses 2017-02-27
You were probably watching Fox News so your son is correct
n/a Naw_let_me_spam 2017-02-27
story allllmost makes me wanna reproduce. nice try!
n/a Mike_delslo 2017-02-27
Stop being an SJW no one red pilled your son. The media said pewdiepie was a Nazi for literally making a joke....CNN as well as a few other news sources do indeed put out fake news, your 11 year old is smarter than you I'm afraid..
n/a themastersb 2017-02-27
The only reasonable response is to say "Get woke son".
n/a amgoingtohell 2017-02-27
CNN: Mother claims PewDiePie gave son red pills
n/a dsfdgsggf1 2017-02-27
you should kick your son in the balls and tell him he's an idiot for being so trusting.
n/a faissaloo 2017-02-27
If I were you I would be the proudest mother right now.
n/a Lo0seR 2017-02-27
If he should ever get into trouble, force him to read WashingtonPost online for about 15mins., no more than that though, don't want to see you get into trouble for child abuse.
n/a RagnarRipper 2017-02-27
Are you absolutely sure you're his mother? I mean... for all I know you could actually be part of the main stream media, trying to trick us all into believing you're a mother, when in reality you're not?
n/a seedlesssoul 2017-02-27
Thank you for being a great parent!
n/a _______--_--_______ 2017-02-27
God bless pewdiepie and you and your son! hope he's scoring some massive street cred points with his peers.
n/a probablyuntrue 2017-02-27
this is the most /r/thathappened to happen in a while
n/a GranAutismo 2017-02-27
A screencap of this rose to the top of /r/The_Zionald but it looks like it was eventually deleted.
n/a UcDat 2017-02-27
good job mom
always tell my boys to keep their heads down and not go against the crowd our schools are pc hell holes where idealist rule supreme.
n/a Stuwey 2017-02-27
I had my nephew come up to me while watching a minecraft LPer. He took his headphones off, looked me in the eye and said "Hey uncle Stuwey, what's rape?" I wasn't going to be the one to explain any definition to him so his parents, but I told him that its not a good word, find another person to watch, and ask his parents.
I admit, I could have gone with the "That's just what you say when you win really well" and sidestepped the whole conversation, but the last thing I need is them saying that anywhere..
I have no doubt that youtuber opinions can be the first time that children consider certain subjects in a serious way. They will only hear one side of the conversation, and form their own ideas with those opinions.
FYI: he was 8 or 9 at the time..
n/a krugerlive 2017-02-27
This is why I honestly believe Bannon pushed that at WSJ, which is a friendly publication for him. It's prepping the next generation of supporter.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
You've never actually read the WSJ have you?
n/a krugerlive 2017-02-27
For decades. I'm from the NYC area. News corp owned since 2007 or so.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Then I don't understand how you can think it's friendly to Bannon. I'm saying this as someone who has read it for decades myself, long before Newscorp (which really didn't change the journalism much - except for cases like this.)
n/a krugerlive 2017-02-27
If you read the excellent Bloomberg article from 2015, you'll see the range in his tactics. He plants articles in top publications that are designed to push core narratives that are presented in a concentrated manner on his site. This is a "don't trust the MSM" narrative aimed at ruling up the Gen Z audience to prep for 2020. WSJ editors are very receptive to GOP side of the aisle, and that is Bannon's aisle now. All it takes is one friendly journalist there, who can easily sell it to the more traditional leadership because it's a story of a new media failure.
I of course have no proof of this, however, if I were "America's most dangerous political operative", I would have absolutely planted that story, with the intention of turning PewDiePie's massive Gen Z audience against the media early. Maybe he's not that good though.
n/a cygnatt 2017-02-27
Good. The younger generation needs to be made aware of the hate that the Media is spreading to further its own agenda.
n/a Gamecube007 2017-02-27
Good.
n/a Kgn03 2017-02-27
Good, why should anyone trust the lugenpresse?
They do nothing but lie and form the degenerate narrative they try to enforce. And do nothing but shape public opinion and manipulate those who listen to it.
Media needs to be abolished as a whole.
t. Gen Z Teenager.
n/a crestind 2017-02-27
/r/thathappened
n/a themeanbeaver 2017-02-27
Philip de Franco another big one on youtube hinted he was snubbed for not endorsing a certain... Hillary campaign. Rumor is he was not the only one, big youtubers were harassed with supporting her and those who did not comply were ear marked to be targeted...PEWDIEPIE commanding 53 million subs was seen as threat they could not control. Hence the WSJ coordinated take down of his career by specifically attacking all his corporate shows, literally everything except he was doing including pressuring Youtube to demonetise his youtube account. Google was not that stupid to demonetise their largest money maker on Youtube.
n/a WhatTheKek 2017-02-27
Yes
n/a zkkaiser 2017-02-27
Lmao.
I'm so sure that happened.
n/a rimeswithburple 2017-02-27
https://youtu.be/P20-ZdpEi-o?t=10s
n/a dominoes81 2017-02-27
Completely taken out of context. thatsthejoke.jpg. he's just sheep following Party B instead of pre-choosing the candidate and then be rewarded by voters for it.
n/a froboy_1 2017-02-27
Now that your son that everything on TV is a continuous background narrative of anti-Semitism behind satire.
n/a ballerina12-24 2017-02-27
you now are better people and everyone else is uneducated, naive trash. Well done! :-)
n/a bigb4134 2017-02-27
Not gonna lie to you, that unintentional twist ending made me laugh and then realize I'm passively sexist. I choose social conditioning as my defense and also apologize a lot.
n/a thesarl 2017-02-27
Awesome.
n/a oneindividual 2017-02-27
The alt-right is retarded neo nazi garbage and the fact that they coopted not only pepe but The Matrix is a tradgedy. Fuck them.
n/a rufusjonz 2017-02-27
That whole thing is a great example and is gonna show millions of young people how biased and agenda driven the media can be
n/a zeropoint357 2017-02-27
Sounds like you got a good kid there.
n/a mon_220 2017-02-27
That's kind of insulting to the news has told me since then.
n/a Mithryil1 2017-02-27
She explained what really happened and what the president is doing, promise to reverse all of a term from the right, are now having to understand what you're looking at.
n/a branamuffin 2017-02-27
Yes, that's it, get your news from a 20 something Dude in Europe who runs a for-profit YouTube channel.
n/a Ismoketomuch 2017-02-27
I share a home with my sister, both of us adults and she has two boys. 8 and 10 years old.
They are completely aware of everything on youtube. The know about Pie and the "fake news" against him, as they say it.
They get outraged as dumb advertising policies regarding youtube and follow all those hot political topics regarding free speech around their favorite youtube stars.
Today I am standing in line at the grocery store with him after picking him up from school. So he see the tabloids and other magazines and instantly says "tonight, find out about JfKs unborn baby with Marilyn Monroe, was he cheating on Jackie, poor poor Jackie, tonight on Fake News Live Broadcast"
I just said "wow dude, pretty good improve man" then he points so a half naked woman and asks "how do parents explain this to their kids?", to which I replied "there is nothing wrong with the human body, its a beautiful thing, don't be to immature", I mean, he is 10 and still thinks kissing is gross, which it is.
Anyway, I knew more then adults thought when I was 10 and I didnt have the internet. These guys growing up, for better or worst have access to so much more eye opening examples about how the world is functioning.
n/a swordofdamocles42 2017-02-27
i don't have children, so forgive me... but i cannot understand how he was blue pilled in the first place, if the mother was conscious.
n/a Zeechy 2017-02-27
You're lucky to have such a smart boy. The more awake we are as a species, the better chance we have
n/a yaosio 2017-02-27
After the many lies PewDiePie has said I do not trust him at all.
n/a rbsams72888 2017-02-27
Hug him
n/a AgentOrange1659 2017-02-27
Gotta start them young.
n/a Novasex 2017-02-27
I'm skeptical about the pewdiepie thing, the man has amassed 50 million followers, a feat that I don't think anyone can do without working for the establishment. I think the goal with that story is to create skepticism when hearing shocking news. If the "real" media lies and slanders people for profit than I definitely can't trust any alternative news source reporting on the affairs of the elite. I think the goal is to make the public feel like no news source can be trusted and that "jumping to conclusion" can be dangers and will hurt innocent people.
n/a stophamertime 2017-02-27
Look forward to seeing him on altright websites spouting Russian propaganda soon!
n/a punxsatawneyphuck 2017-02-27
Thank god your son is a lot more intelligent then you
n/a brianm41 2017-02-27
savage burn
n/a brianm41 2017-02-27
deleted!
n/a zechariahc 2017-02-27
Oh I would be too.
n/a Kossucks-By-Sanders 2017-02-27
They have fun songs, fun lyrics, had a couple albums that were political, their latest album was written when the band went sober, talking about big pharma. It's not like theyre super left-wing, anarcho, Zionist punk rock. It's fucking NoFX.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
They are all generally compatible. JIDF and hasbara are the same thing, CTR and ShareBlue are the same thing (actually funded by the same people, ShareBlue is just CTR post-Clinton campaign) and Soros is basically the grandfather of "progressive astroturf."
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Yeah actually they were very left wing, basically an activist group.
They also sucked really, really badly.
n/a ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 2017-02-27
who is they?
btw everyone this sub has been linked to from the_donald so expect brigading.
n/a AGoodWordForOldGil 2017-02-27
Maybe I misunderstood.
n/a MAGAtheCENTIPEDE 2017-02-27
also raise his allowence
n/a klendathu22 2017-02-27
And get him a coat.
n/a altxatu 2017-02-27
Or how awful people lump in everything every white person did on all white people. It's not like it's meaning is set in stone. It's a song and open to interpretation. That's one of the nice things about music and literature.
n/a hcmathis22 2017-02-27
You're absolutely right. Just seems like they were trying to reach a little too far in the long run on that write up.
n/a ruleten 2017-02-27
Doesn't change a single thing I said about not laundering money there, plus all the other positive changes I'd like to see come about that I listed.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
Im not disagreeing with that at all. I'm just trying to show you, differences in power structures currently are non-consequential and motivated completely like money, same as before.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
WSJ is one of the most mainstream media outlets in the entire country. It's the second or third most "mainstream" daily newspaper and has been for decades.
n/a Alreadyhaveone 2017-02-27
These aren't mutually exclusive... Neither one should be seen as infallible and both should be held accountable. The fanaticism of politics now has made divide and conquer so much easier.
n/a DigitalDuelist 2017-02-27
No he lost an existing contract with Maker (or polaris i forget) and that company is owned by Disney. They went to Disney and from there the executive order passed down for the contract to be cancelled or something of the like.
n/a thebabyseagull 2017-02-27
So we should just take what we are presented at face value?
Don't question what we are told?
I'm sure this suit some people's agendas but it Wouldn't be much of a conspiracy , would it ?
No fun at all.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
I'm not sure what's more sad. Your reply, or the fact you're making up a clearly bullshit story for karma.
n/a Dlgredael 2017-02-27
This is you trying to be funny and offensive? Yeesh, you should stick to made-up stories for internet attention, hahah.
n/a Stoppels 2017-02-27
Yep, I subbed to him after I saw his reaction video.
n/a jacks1000 2017-02-27
Who runs the country? Old people.
Who read the WSJ? The old rich people that run the country.
Just so you know - WSJ has a very sophisticated online operation. WSJ isn't free because unlike the NYT and the WP, people will actually PAY to read the WSJ. It's that good.
n/a 12by12by12 2017-02-27
Are you somehow suggesting that Disney doesn't have to right to exercise a termination clause likely in PewDiePie's contract? Do you really think Disney should not retain the right to curate their brand and tailor it to their markets?
Do you have any understanding of the legal systems of the United States of America?
So you've been white knighting about Disney refusing to buy a product? You do realize that's what you're doing right? In what way do you think you have been "protecting free speech" by trying to make Disney continue to pay PewDiePie.
You people are a joke and this sub is a joke. I never thought /r/conspiracy would fall so far to forget what freedom of speech does.
n/a CinzTheKitteh 2017-02-27
He began to annoy me towards the end of last year. His stuff was just filled with juvenile sex and dick jokes. Unsubbed and stayed unsubbed.
n/a jackandjill22 2017-02-27
Wow.
n/a monarchmra 2017-02-27
See, that goes back to your first comment:
The constitution only protects us from government censorship of speech. But people have all matter of legal ways to limit somebody's speech, some acceptable (to me), some not.
I know that if nobody could ever get any platform to let them say shit that isn't "approved", then free speech is de facto dead, but I also know that if everybody could say whatever they want on prime time national tv, that would be insanely disruptive and perfectly unfeasible.
There is a balancing act involved, and in my (and a hell of a lot of other people's) opinion, disney is on the wrong side of that balancing act. Most buy the excuse used, that it was a business decision, but I don't. It was a business decision, but that's not an excuse. Disney is still in my view on the wrong side of the balancing act and there should be some sort of negative consequences for that.
I'm not one to fall victim to the fallacy that everything has to be full on or full off, I'm not going to full on boycott them, because this isn't nearly bad enough to warrant that, and because I don't even consume much of their content. however, in my head, I'm going to remember this, and if I'm ever given a choice to buy something they make money off of vs an alternative version that they don't make money off of, I take this into account.
n/a Jarod_Escapes 2017-02-27
You two gonna get a room now?
n/a D0nt_Ban_M3_Fam 2017-02-27
im like him!
n/a CarlTheRedditor 2017-02-27
What did they get wrong, anyway? He did the thing with the banner, no?
n/a wills_it_does_god 2017-02-27
How the fuck could that be considered sarcasm?
n/a Winnend 2017-02-27
Yeah, took all of 5 seconds before seeing that you made a creepy ass comment just days ago and I had enough. I don't think your views on what is pathetic are very rational given that you make pathetic and creepy comments to girls on the internet that you don't even know. But then again if other people's insecurities get you going, I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're not very secure with yourself.
n/a sthh 2017-02-27
Yea... I dunno how people even come to some of the conclusions they reach. It is like they don't understand that weird people go around doing weird art-type stuff. I know the people who run a couple of the instagrams theyve used as "Proof". The minute I saw that and saw how they just went searching to confirm what they believed was clear
I'm fairly certain that pizzagate also started on 4chan. Which means it is almost certainly a troll. Do you remember like eon8 and stuff like that? The internet has gotten people good before.
I agree with you on pewdiepie. I doubt they felt "threatened" by him, as people say. Disney cannot be tied in with Walts beliefs anyway, cause like you said, he is dead. Then there is the fact that Disney's entire image is being wholesome and whatnot. That is their thing for the most part.
n/a AnorexicBuddha 2017-02-27
That's not an argument.
n/a PM_MEMONEYYY 2017-02-27
While i agree that a company has the right to save face, i don't think people would consider youtube mainstream media. It pulls mainstream numbers, which i think the media is afraid of but i wouldn't turn to youtube for the news.
n/a HoboBobo28 2017-02-27
i'm being sarcastic also dude.
n/a TronZbot 2017-02-27
Shouldn't trust MSM and shouldn't trust the people that told him to not trust MSM.
n/a TheBloodening 2017-02-27
oOOOOO we have a winner!
n/a ghost_in_a_tank 2017-02-27
give him a fedora and a fake moustache
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
So his publicity stunt succeeded and this sub is helping him further in his marketing, that's nice.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
OP's son is 11.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
God bless PewDiePie, really. He should be worshipped like Jesus. Just like this whole thread. This level of adulation is worthy of a man swearing at 11 year olds through ipads. You people are really sad and disgusting to kiss ass like this.
n/a Muh_Condishuns 2017-02-27
It's not enough to denounce the existing media, you have to do something worthwhile with the alternative.