Hey, Worked in the 60's /s

4 dead in Ohio. then Manson, one guy, brought it all down

He did what now? I haven't heard this one

Everyone alive back then knows about the Manson murders even though Charles Manson never actually killed anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

I know that, but what's the connection to Kent state?

http://www.conspirazzi.com/e-books/inside-the-lc.pdf

Only that the country was riveted by the upcoming trial of the Manson family and no one wanted to be thought of as Manson like crazies, so the Kent State killings were thought of as 'justified' to the general population. 'Get them dam crazy hippies shoot 'em all'.

Where's that quote from?

Trump who he's referring to: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/02/27/donald-trump-addresses-governors-win-war.cnn

Trump wants to increase the military budget.

Quoting CNN. Gross

I wasn't - it was the first video that came up. What's written in the article is irrelevant - just watch the video.

He is quoting Trump. The information is being relayed by cnn, but Trump spoke the words.

"Relayed" - we all know that means spun. Taken out of context, leaving out the entire thing. Come on, this is basic stuff

Spinning, you mean what you are doing right now?

Not what I said at all. You must make a living putting words into other people's mouths

Instead of telling me what is wrong, tell me what is right.

Typically, people with nothing to actually say, will focus on denial and attacks/defense.

What, kind of like calling someone a racist, sexist, xenophobe? Or worse, the dreaded "Hitler" tag?

Hey I love Trump, but that doesn't mean that every time CNN quotes him it's wrong. Wouldn't you say the OP quote sounds like something he would say?

Instead of attacking all credibility, look into it. It's a better way to spend your time.

I have looked into it.

Or by flailing around whining about the way the other person approached the issue, rather than actually responding to their statement(s)..

by flailing around whining

No need to get so aggressive. Typically, people with nothing to actually say, will focus on denial and attacks/defense.

There is a strong need for you to actually say, anything at all.

No, it's in context. Nobody wants to fight your ears for you.

wrong. we've been at war. far too long. we need to close this war out. this has nothing to do with starting another one. the military industrial complex is america. also remember, if we stood up against it, the .0000001 % would be funding both sides so they can watch us eradicate ourselves. the 1st step in how we win our war at home, is stop letting them divide us. build strong, no fighting yet. together we stand strong. races, religions, and political ways of thought all need to come together. that's how you start winning. once we the people get on the same page, we win by numbers.

Don't you understand there is no "close this war out" as long as we are there, there will be war. First we were fighting for oil, then we fought saddam because he couldn't be controlled, now we're fighting for poppy resources for heroin , oil ,government contracts, arms deals, private militaries, and best kid all the saudis. The best thing to do with the military is to sell it bit by bit and let the defense corporations shrivel and die.

i mostly agree. there is some that will never end, in reality it hasnt ended for over a thousands years, but i do feel that trump wants to knock out isis and radical islam taking over these countries we destroyed. ...probably because it's easier/safer for us to go in and profit off everything you said. it's all a game pankake.. they write the rules, especially POTUS.. if winning to him is liberating countries from isis and having us come out to take over.. it would be his win. more jobs. etc... ...also writing this i just realized since i was an immature kid after 9/11 and events during the iraq war, i always said "donald trump should just buy all the desert and make it resorts to compete with UAE.." ..not looking for "i called it" kudos.. but.. this is the craziest political times in our countries history. wth is going on anymore.

also im gonna go out on a very easily walked limb here and bet the troll who posted wrote the link is working for a company that is aligned with swaying the public opinion on POTUS and keep that good ol blame it on russia rhetoric.

The thing is Islam is bigger than just ISIS, they have actually convinced over a billion people that they should pray 5 times a day in a specific direction and have unquestioning loyalty to the church. Religion is the problem here. This ain't no game, people are dying out there, they're lied to, misinformed, and end up hurting other people just because they were "following orders" or "following the word of allah". The only thing to come out of a trump "win" would be more guerrilla fighting from the indigenous populations and from Saudi wahibists.

I logged in to downvote this ignorant comment.

Have you even taken a look inside the Bible, Quaran, or Torah? Have you even read the "word of god"?

I'm gonna put on a dress later and prance around talking about 'god'. Then I'm gonna go sleep in the castle you dopes bought for me. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it--you got any spare change??

Kinda like Christianity has convinced a bunch of people they need to fork over fistfuls of dollars every week, while spending at least 1 hour a week eating a zombie's flesh, and drinking a zombie's blood?

I know, organized religion is a cancer to our world. LOL for animal sacrifice instructions check out Leviticus!

I saw in your first comment you said religion was the problem, but in this one you say "organised religion" is the problem, and that I agree with. The problem isn't inherent with religion itself as a concept, it's simply religion in its current organised incarnation that's fucked us. Most (if not all) major world religions have been hijacked in some way or another, to varying degrees, in order to manipulate the public and hold power over them rather than religion's original intent which is to share love and show compassion. A lot of phony religious leaders like to focus on fearing God, following strict sets of instructions in order to get into a "good" afterlife, and just plain brainwashing techniques. This is not what religion was intended for. I've done a bit of research into religion, but I think I articulated my point in a comment I made the other day. (maybe read the parent comments for context)
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5we20p/z/deanu2k
What do you think?

Are you implying that ISIS isn't funded by Israel and the US? Are you believing the lies told by Obama, that it's difficult to defeat ISIS? If so leave this sub. ISIS is the only reason they have for war but they are a proxy army owned and controlled by both the US and Israel. What conspiracy theorist doesn't know this? I thought this was the general consensus here.

Are you implying that ISIS isn't funded by Israel

I am aware of the US connections, but can you explain how Israel is linked?

Spoiler: he can't

I hear that meme all the time, that the Jews and Israel are behind everything. But no one seems to really be able to explain why other than muh protocols of zion.

(((they))) will take ur monies and eat ur babies

We should let more Muslims in! They will protect me, my daughters and my shekels.

This...is an excellent plan. Let's discuss further at the next cabal meeting.

The dancing Israelis, Greater Israel agenda/Zionisim , Trumps Jewish Cabal for a start.

Sources?

Except for the Simon Eliot thingy, though we do have the pics of him, evrything is a fact. Google for sources. There's more than this though.

Thanks for adding some information in your post up there. I am going to dig into these videos and see what they have to say.

I've heard of these dancing Israeli's before but it just seemed like fakenews before it was fakenews. The original report on them came from CNN right?

Soros was a Jew and working with the Nazis was the best time of his life. The Globalists put everyone at risk by importing Islam into Western countries. I don't think that the Rothchilds are Jews first. I think they are Rothchilds who happen to be Jewish.

There are other groups of people who openly want to destroy us, and there is a lot more hard evidence that says they are the real problem in the world.

But hey I am going into your material here with an open mind.

They don't give a shit about jews either. So working with the Nazis to forwarding the Muh Holocaust meme isn't new for them. They fund both sides. Like Clintons and Trump. Rothschilds donated to Clintons(?) - the anonymous leaks, Lynn Rothschild is a 'dear friend' of Clintons', and they also saved Trump from bankruptcy in 1999, see Wilbur Ross who worked for the Rothschilds Inc for 24 years and is now the Secretary of Commerce in Trump cabinet. Also Steve Mnuchin, former soros employee, Goldman Sachs employee, as Trump Secretary of Treasury.

See this for a brief idea / read books by Antony Sutton on who fundes the Nazis - https://youtu.be/Sah_Xni-gtg

The dancing Israelis on 9/11 (https://youtu.be/2XHm56O2NTI)

I am watching this now and what I am finding troubling is that almost all of the sources are MSM news. On one hand you are asking me to believe what the MSM would say, but then when its doesn't fit what you want to hear they are lying.

It seems interesting that the Dancing Israels did turn out to be intelligence agencies but they were investigating Muslim terrorist organizations themselves.

When they are discussing the 60 Israelis detained due to possible links to Mossad, all the same anonymous sources who can't explain anything in detail. Sounds a lot like how the Democrats can't explain how Russians hacked the 2016 election but they know they did somehow!

To further draw that comparison in that video around 12:40 the reporter says that they know nothing conclusive, but the Israelis must have know something darnit! Very similar to the NYT article about Trump's Russian connection - their third paragraph literally said that there was no evidence of wrong doing but fuck that we know!

I am still working my way through what you posted. But can you tell me know who owns Trump - is it the Russians or the Jews?

Dancing Israelis did turn out to be intelligence agents but were investigating Muslim Terrorist organizations themselves

Yea, on the same day as 9/11 conveniently taking pictures and dancing. So obviously they knew something before hand. Also, why do we even belive the 'intelligence agents'.

sounds like a lot how the Democrats can't explain how Russians hacked the election

Lol yea but it's the 17 intelligence agencies who has all the resources. They couldn't prove the Russians hacked the dnc/ was working with wikileaks, so it was bullshit. But again why should we believe the agencies or the msm here too. For now I believe in what Julian Assange says. We don't have all the information in the world or this wouldn't be so much of a conspiracy if we had the resources of the NSA. Not saying we should believe every crap they say in the video.

but can you tell me who owns Trump? The Russians or the Jews.

It's always the joos :b

I appreciate that you are trying to convince me but I am just not seeing enough evidence that clearly points to Israel being a real problem.

The Dancing Israels is fake news. They are talking about a video that they don't show, unnamed sources making accusations, and other MSM tactics. Why should we accept what they are saying at all when we know they lie and especially in something they would have a big interest in covering up.

That being said Dancers' behaviour is suspicious. I totally get that its fucked that a van, loaded with explosives being at the "right place, right time." Absolutely something was up here.

However, everything else in this story relies on us talking the MSM at face value - which is something that we shouldn't be doing! There is a lot of evidence that the USA was aware of these attacks and let them happen, and so why are we trusting that country to tell us the truth?

Also the accusations that Israel spies knew about the attacks in advance but did not nothing sounds an awful lot like projecting. We know that the USA knew something was up and sat on that info. Why do we expect that foreign spies to protect us?

(https://youtu.be/Vcd-yvudYSg /https://thezog.info/who-controls-donald-trump/

I am really trying to see your side things here but none of this adds up.

First of all buddy here cites an article from the International Business Times as proof that Israel is working with ISIS. Problem is that the only connection mentioned here is that Israel provided medical attention to wounded ISIS fighters.

“In the past two years the Israel Defence Forces have been engaged in humanitarian, life-saving aid to wounded Syrians, irrespective of their identity.”

Those fucking scumbags!!!

Next, he says thats ISIS never attacks Israel. This is not true.

Now as for France helping Palestine and getting punished, I think its more likely a case Taqiyya. Benny warned them not to bring that viper home but they did it anyways.

It was not a video proving the Israeli connection, for he starts with assuming that we all know the mossad did 9/11. It was basically a list of all Jewish people surrounding Trump on some major positions / donors. Also his stance on Israel, which is no different other presidents. In fact Trump they say is the best gift Israel could get. :)

That rocket was cute tho.

Israeli Defence Forces have been engaged in Humanitarian services

Then you would also belive in The White Helmet propaganda.

The White Helmet propaganda

The difference between the article you presented and the White Helmets is that in the case of the WH we have photographs and a paper trail exposing the collusion. In the case of this (very short) article there isn't a lot of proof. Just Israel admitting that they help wounded Syrians. Then its up to the reader to take that as they will.

Why isn't that rocket a valid example? That was just the most recent one. And my point was that when people claim terrorists don't attack Jews or Israel is just wrong.

Yea that's wrong, they don't give a shit about jews either. They will be left to die like in the Third Reich. That's why many Jews are also against zionism.

as long as we are there, there will be war

I used to think this but have come to think the opposite. I mean if we hadn't gone there in the first place maybe you'd be right. But we've already crossed that line, so I think at this point the only way to maintain stability in places we've gone is to stay there. Then we won't have situations like having to take Mosul, again.

I agree that we shouldn't have been there in the first place, but we did so now we have to clean up our mess.

The muslims will never end their fight until they control the holy land! For every "terrorist" we kill the Mosques push out 10 more ready for Jihad training. What we need to do is take the, out of control, refugees from Europe and send them back to their respective countries so they can fix their own problems! This is no easy task, but relying only on western militaries to do the fighting is costly and causes more hatred towards our countries! The Israeli government is the driving force for Jihad in these "terrorist" groups.

Not gonna happen. We can however take care of our own damn selves by watching out for the truth.

Moving on,

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal

This is a reasonable deal, when you look at it, that Iran has to follow. As is with politics they surely must have gotten a handsome payout to eliminate their nuclear energy.

Recently though Iran has been acting daft and conducting missile tests. Add the fact that they are the number 1 terror sponsor as the SECDEF said last month and we can presume another war on terror will kick off since they are capable of putting america at risk.

However

The real reason Iran is in US optics is because they are going to drop the petrodollar for the petroeuro. I outlined this in a post here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u1io1/theory_iran_will_be_the_next_war_within_3_years/?st=izp7e8k9&sh=256cc84d

The nuclear deal was announced Jan 17th 2016 then on the 9th of Feb Iran announced they were going to start moving away from the petrodollar to the petroeuro. This year they have announced they are able to do so and will implement this the 21st of March.

When you keep in mind the debt ceiling is the 15th of March with the outcome affecting the economy, plus Iran's wildcard move, you can see how a war would stimulate the economy while keeping the dollar in power. The last country to put the dollar in jeopardy was Iraq. Before Iraq was invaded they too dropped the dollar for the euro and made some handsome profits.

I get surprised at how some people refuse to face reality and realize the recent wars have been economical. If the petrodollar were to stop being used by foreign nations the US economy would tank. It's not hard to surmise that it is not a matter of if but when Iran will kick off. The foundations for a war are already there with the civilian support of the administration, evil boogeyman, economic threat, military support. All that is needed now is a false flag to set it all off to keep the dollar in power.

Trumpets: THIS is a real manipulation tactic a "4d chess" if you will. You've already proven you refuse to see the connection between recreational marijuana crackdown and private prison stocks price soaring now you won't see the Iran war you'll be fighting in. You voted for this now you're going to fight in it.

Petrodollar is not a currency. It just means surplus made through oil sales. Iran has been using the Euro in oils sales since the early 2000s.

Lol someone on Reddit conspiracy advocating for war and supporting the interests of corrupt politicians and businessmen? Pssshttt....gfto here...

Are you arguing that Trump's statement means he is going to end wars? Trump just approved a spending increase of $54 Billion to defense, that's not how you end wars. It is literally impossible to "close this war out". First, what war are you actually talking about? Because there are many. Second, the military industrial complex is not America. The military industrial complex is the alliance between the nation's military and the arms industry. The only way you sever that cord is by cutting defense spending, not increasing it. Third, there is no war at home. There are people with different points of view, and there is a media that actively exploits and exaggerates those differences so we continue to fight among ourselves and not direct our anger at our oppressors, the government. When you actually start to have a conversation with people with opposing views you will find a lot of common ground. The insinuiate that there is a war at home, is to insinuate that the American people are naturally violent, they are not. You should stop listening to the news so much, they will poison your mind into believing average people are overwhelmingly violent (most of us aren't). The news likes to portray exceptions as the norm. When the leader of the American government says "Its time we start winning at wars" and increased defense spending by billions, that means get ready for more wars. Not we are ending wars. It's pretty simple ...

We've been at war for 70 years. I'd like to think trump is talking about ending wars for a change.

I'd like to think trump is talking about ending wars for a change.

Yeah, so would I...

But you don't end a tradition of DECADES of military aggression by INCREASING the "defense" (ATTACK!) budget, do you?

Hey, you can be anti war and still believe we need to strengthen our military. We've seen our military regress in years past, and while I hate a lot of what we do, in THEORY, a nation should have a strong military as a deterrent.

in THEORY, a nation should have a strong military as a deterrent.

Against WHO, exactly?

"And after all we're only ordinary men..."

The world has become too small to entertain such tribalistic thoughts and behavior.

I think this question answers itself.

It is increasingly appearing that the war which most needs fought may be against those who have smeared as deplorable "tribalism" all attempts to hold them responsible for the suffering that their wretched tribe has inflicted.

We HAVE the strongest military, and it is not even close to any other country!! We already spend more money on defense than is reasonable by any stretch of the imagination! It is by far the most bloated, wasteful, crony, corrupt, slice of the budget. It is completely unreasonable to increase defense budget while slashing other programs. It's horse shit.

That's not it- we've been at war wtf are you talking about?

I think OP is quoting Trump, who wants to increase the military budget so that we can "win wars". OP disagrees.

Another recession is coming. Time to war up, Russia and China and the global economy are all in same boat. US has to go to war to make some money for Its debtors and the world economy needs it. Question is who: Iran probably. They have oil money and are a natural enemy with the history between us and the nuclear stuff over the last few years. In fact: Obama probably set it up with the nuclear agreement for Hillary not trump. But then again, it's left foot right foot. I am sure they would prefer their girl in there but trump will do because look.

Probably would come from a current Flashpoint. The media keeps hyping the Russian thing like two high school kids about to fight in the locker room. Syria sounds like it would be the right thing. There is not much in the secondary part of most of the past couple of wars in terms of resources to exploit. This proxy war is great for population control and to get the military industrial complex going and creating debt. Expect mandatory conscription for the next one. It will be huge and a lot of lives lost.

Trump and the GOP are warmongers and want to invade Iran.

How about we fight a war on our crippling infrastructure? Or a war on poverty? Or a war on the treatment of those who went to war?

How about we start worrying about ourselves at home before we start worrying about the rest of the world...

The GOP refuses to spend money on those because they are capitalists. They require an exploitable class, and infrastructure spending reduces the number of people that can be exploited.

Don't be a slave to the establishment. Socialism requires an exploitable class. It's a long con to bring back feudalism by taking away all independent economic opportunity. Socialism installs economic oligarchs and forbids by law anyone to compete with the oligarchs or their profits. That's why billionaires and ambitious students support socialism yet it has never sold to the working class who it is supposedly "for".

You've bought the American narrative I see.

None of those things describe socialism.

Socialism is worker-owned means of production. That's it.

Insert yugo accent and hot woman saying: how bout not. There is no obey in infrastructure.

Considering how well the War on Drugs/Terror has gone, I'm pretty sure a War on Infrastructure would just cause all our bridges to fall down as we arrest some poor people

That's the problem with expecting the government to accomplish anything. They do it poorly and then arrest some poor people.

I agree that Iran is logical but the Russian connection complicates that. Russia doesn't want the US bombing Iran, Israel would love nothing more. I hope it doesn't happen, but thing could get really ugly in the future. With Bannon acting as defacto National Security big boss a potentially deadly military blunder is quite possible.

Another recession is coming. Time to war up, Russia and China and the global economy are all in same boat. US has to go to war to make some money for Its debtors and the world economy needs it. Question is who: Iran probably. They have oil money and are a natural enemy with the history between us and the nuclear stuff over the last few years. In fact: Obama probably set it up with the nuclear agreement for Hillary not trump. But then again, it's left foot right foot. I am sure they would prefer their girl in there but trump will do because look.

This comment has been posted twice here, as of 2:04 AM my time this one has -3 points and the other has 14. That's kinda funny.

Yeah not sure why it posted twice

The best way to prevent war is through strength, but more spending won't guarantee a good result. Spending smarter instead of more will.

Please post the entire context and quote. The related post on /r/esist is sensationalized and does not reflect reality.

Agreed. This is pushing a narrative. We are better than this. See the entire field.

How about when he said he'd blow Iranian ships "out of the water" for giving our ships the middle finger?

Or when he advocated for increased nuclear proliferation around the world?

How much context do you need that Trump is far from anti-war?

C'mon... just one last war... for old time's sake.

This quote is taken out of context to push a narrative. He said he doesn't want to go to war, but if we have to, we will end it decisively.

Which is why I like Trump's Secretary of Defense, which is why the establishment does not like Trump's Secretary of Defense: war is a last resort, but we will swiftly destroy our enemies when we have to. That should mean no more indefinite, deliberately drawn out wars for profit. If we must be at war, we should win, or end them. Btw, people who donvote winning are, by definition, losers!

I post a fact; -2 downvotes.

You post a supporting opinion of that fact; 5 upvotes.

Reddit is fucking stupid sometimes. I only posted to try to clear up all the hysteria and bullshit people are ranting on about; taking what he said out of context, but people don't seem to want to acknowledge anything but "Trump = Dr. Evil" narrative.

Shareblue got you, and this isn't the Donald where people rescue you with upvotes

Upvotes are irrelevant in most cases. Here it's telling, though.

Wrong, Trump wants to go to war.

"I'll take the oil"-trump

He actually bragged about this at a rally

Wrong.

That's all.

You're flat out wrong, and pushing propaganda.

He's noted in multiple speeches and public addresses he does not want war, but if necessary wants to end it swiftly. He's not a war monger or profiteer. Also, he hasn't started, or gone to war with any country since being elected.

Next time bring more than conjecture to the table.

So lose like normal, then put up a giant banner saying 'mission accomplished' Unless the 'win' Is perpetual spending on war against an invisible enemy, oh, it is.

Trump: "It's time we start winning at wars."

Yeah, for the past few decades, ISRAEL has been the sole "winner" of every war the US has fought.

The Zionists benefit - everyone else LOSES.

Sadly, it seems unlikely that this is what Trump is referring to, as he appears to be yet another Zionist lickspittle.

he appears to be yet another Zionist lickspittle.

Of course, his family is Israeli and his son in law is a Mossad agent and his amen choir at Breitbart.com was started in Israel.

This is what he really wanted isn't it?

First we have to win the war against the Taliban, I mean Al-Qaeda cave dwellers, Osama bin Laden disciples still holed up in small pocket caves. First, win the war against Afghanistan. Secondly we must defeat the ISIL thug terrorists (Islamic State, non practicing terrorist extremists) that are in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and elsewhere, hiding. Thirdly, check Russian Aggression in Ukraine, Syria, Europe, cyber warfare attacks. Polonium poisoning. Fourthly, check Chinese island building mud over there in the China Sea. Freedom of Navigation US vessels throughout the seven seas. Fifthly, stabilize Libya. Sixth, Make America Great Again!

On a more serious note: The "war on terror" or against whatever country is supposed to be a "forever" war. But statements line this means that they want it to last that long and they know how to keep it going: "Panetta: '30-year war' and a leadership test for Obama"

Obviously, Obama wasn't going to stay in office for THIRTY YEARS but the baton is handed off. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/06/leon-panetta-memoir-worthy-fights/16737615/

Although that great study done by Arthur Schlesinger shows that the US is headed for a long period of introversion. The US has exhausted it's foreign military adventures.

Well also Isis is almost defeated in most places. A slow but steady process.

He'll try to take the credit for that.

Unfortunately once ISIL is defeated a new terrorist organization could emerge, even more fiercer than ISIS. The same way the Islamic State terrorists took over as the premier terror group away from All Qaeda. (Although, AL Qaeda just won an Oscar for that Netflix "White Helmets" documentary). Or maybe the "new" terrorist organization will be the old "defeated" terrorist organization but just under a different brand name. None will be the wiser.

One word: Retina-eye-scans for ALL global terrorists

The whole region is depleted of men, and all hardliners have died. Stability will return. At least until the next generation.

Injustice breeds injustices.

what injustice?

Been hammered by migraine so sorry about not getting back to you.

You drone bomb a house that has a dozen people in it to kill one guilty party is injustice not justice.

And all you get is the relatives and friends of the innocent pissed off and more likely to become radicalized. Just like Osama found out after the twin towers. That injustice gave dyslexic nut and pyscho Bush for the never ending war

Hitler made that mistake WW2 and tried to cower the allies by bombing the crap out of civilian centers and it only made people angrycand joining up to fight Hitler. Same British bombing of Dresden.

“We had no messages for our enemies – we replied with our weapons. These people who have this ideology, you can’t change them – but you can kill them.”

Air force Brigadier General Munzer Zaman, Syrian group commander of Kuweires airbase, after goverment soldiers broke a three year ISIS siege on the airbase. He was one of 300 survivors of the 1,100 garrison.

Devils will continue to be devils and need to be erradicated, wether you like it or not. If they are not stopped they will continue to the women and children and spread to the corners of the earth.

Yes I agree with you about the crazy devils involved with ISIS, Al Qaeda, Nusra, etc...

But killing a dozen innocent children and non combatants to get the one devil is not the way to go. It is what the terrorist do. All you do is end up recruiting more terrorists.

You have a relative or friend come into your house that you haven't seen in years and you invite him in your home so you can talk about old times Next thing your place is bomb killing everyone (including children) cause your friend was an alleged terrorist. How would your relatives and friends feel about that? Think they will be cheering for the government that killed you and your family?

My guess is they'll hate the person who bombed your place. Might even join terrorist groupings as they are the only ones who have the capabilities to fight the government who bombed your place.

Africa is fucked without the radical Islam and most the fucked places there DON'T have it...

ISIL emerged because we funded it. If we're not funding the next one, there's no reason to expect it to immediately arise.

The emergence of a 'new global terrorist organization' will be difficult to pull off, if not impossible. The Powers That Be are probably content with having ISIS. I may have gotten away with my earlier comment. A few years ago the State Department tried selling the 'Khorasan terrorist group, but that idea didn't take off.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dangerous-terrorist-group-khorasan-article-1.1949401

Oh come on calling the white hats the same as al queda...

Well I can tell you from experience that Obama has done effectively nothing to fight them. I wouldn't jump and give credit to Trump, but as far as US involvement is concerned, Trump would be the only one worthy of credit if the ISIS threat recedes.

Effectively done nothing? Wow y can critique good and bad and who should be armed or not, but the only thing we haven't done is send battalions of our men

as soon as Trump took office heaps of armored vehicles have arrived in Northern Syria, given to the SDF (the least bad guys in the hood). Obama was too afraid of Turkey to do it, Trump didnt give fuck. SDF is currently a few kilometres north of Raqqa, ISIS capital.

That's actually good news, I wish we didn't have to deal with erdogan

What upcoming war could not be won with a 500 billion dollar budget, but could be won with a 580 billion dollar budget?

We could not even defeat Iraq, which was a poverty stricken ghetto and about 180th on the list of countries GDP. The budget is not the problem and anyone who says otherwise is in it for personal gain. Glorification of the military is the tried and true tactic of despots.

Friend, we could have defeated the Insurgency. We defeated the Iraqi army (3rd largest in the World at the time) in like 3 fucking days. We could have glassed the entire country after that, whoever just chose not to.

I think the idea is that it's not a matter of budget, it's a matter of will and goals.

What was our goal in Iraq? I can barely even remember what the 'official' reason was. 'Solid intelligence' that they had WMDs which nobody wants to cop to claiming. But of course we were just there to enact regime change, destabilize the region and pay the MIC for an endless war.

If our goal were, say, conquest. That would actually be extremely feasible with our military.

uhh, no.

Uhh, ya.

We could not even defeat Iraq

Are you kidding? The US defeated Iraq - their entire country was destroyed.

Seems like Iraq is much worse off now too.

Are you being sarcastic? Anybody could bomb the shit out of a city.

Our goal was to nation-build and install a stable pro-American democracy in the middle east. That was obviously a failure.

Our goal was to nation-build and install a stable pro-American democracy in the middle east.

Are you being sarcastic? What in the world made you think that was our [sic] goal?

The statements of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. Did you follow the news back then?

You believed them?

Think they are asking for ground troops in Somalia https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/18/afri-m18.html

Trump supporter here, Trump believes in quick and effective wars when war is absolutely necessary. All you people are doing is watching and waiting for anything that can be twisted to fit your anti Trump narrative. How about having same faith in the mans words because so far he is delivering on all of his promises.

I hope you get nuked.

From who? We're not fighting a nuclear super power anymore...

I'm rooting for Iran.

Voted for Hillary and you could have been rooted by Russia. We all would be. Still might.

Iran is a fly that can be swatted anytime by the United States.

Just like Iraq.

Why the fuck are we increasing military/defense spending when our military/defense spending is already WAY beyond what it should be. We fucking need that money to go towards education, infrastructure, healthcare, technology, etc. We've been just burning trillions of dollars via the pentagon and wasteful military/defense spending for decades now. Time to change course not ramp it up.

What happened to his "We must stop interfering militarily with the rest of the world" pledge before the election?

that is exactly what he said. Only when there is no other option they will resort to war.

Except the time he said he'd blow Iranian ships "out of the water" for making rude gestures at our ships.

Would you consider that a war of last resort?

he never said that.

"With Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats, and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water."

Doesn't seem out of context to me.

Iraq was supposed to be a short quick war.

so when is Hillary going to be arrested? hahaha

Nah. I feel like winning the war would be in contrast of the military industrial complex. We've been embroiled in a flimsy war for too long. Saying you're going to win it means you're going to finish it. Is it a winnable war? Maybe not. Is there a greater justification for fighting it now, more than the past 6 years? Absolutely.

And whether you like it or not, it's gonna take a lot of boots on the ground. That will undoubtedly line the pockets of war profiteers. But dropping bombs from drones also lines the pockets of slightly different profiteers and does nothing to end the war but does a tremendous amount to prolong the war.

You don't have to be pro-war, but being anti-war makes you a fucking idiot. Just be critical of the war, and hopefully have a salient alternative. Otherwise you're just someone complaining.

You've never seen anyone determine war to be an inescapable aspect of our species?

You are complaining about people complaining about war, yet you think we should be critical of war. This war was never winnable, if you listened to the critics they have made their case the whole time.

So it was Hillary who was going to start WWIII?

Guess it's Trump now...

His war will be bombing farmers like normal, hers was Russia.

I think you're sadly mistaken.

Think anyone who wants to go up against Russia (the way the Democrats and Republicans are going after Russia) is as crazy as a suicide bomber. Difference is the truck there going to blow up is the earth we live on

Do you actually believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth? We will go to war with any opposition under the Trump administration. The only difference with Hillary is that it's M.A.D. against someone as powerful as Russia, so I guess we would all perish under her "rule".

yea I bought into that shit too, turns out Trump is actually the bigger war candidate..

Who would have thought that the guy who said he'd blow Iranian ships "out of the water" for merely giving our ships the middle finger, would be anti-war.

They're called gullible fucking morons.

Love, compassion, comprehension are the keys.

Stop predicting your actions on Fear and start acting out of Love.

Go into your townships and no hold relevant conversation without waving a banner or picking sides.

I am my brothers keeper.

Love, hate, truth, and comedy are the forces that give power to human action. Try to have all four, but for certain make sure you always have more than one. Love alone isn't enough, for every abuser claims to serve it; it is the knowledge of good and evil that is most feared by evil.

Let your brother keep himself. Live in a society where everyone keeps themselves and seeks harmony in individualism.

Living in balance is key for certain.

However all action should stem from a place of love and not malice.

No single person can piece together this puzzle on their own.

Assistance is required.

I think you are reading too far into the Brothers Keeper thing.

We have to look out for each other and keep everyone awares and abreast.

We are one.

This does not strip away individualism.

As a member of the military industrial complex... we like those dollars.

This thread has been hijacked from Trump supporters/non-conspiracy theorists based on the amount of ISIS comments. ISIS was created and funded by the US and Israel. They can be obliterated at any time. ISIS was created to act as an army for the US since infantry troops couldn't be deployed. Am I the only one seeing what's going on here? This is a blatant display of hijacking. Everything ISIS does is in the best interest of the US.

I think it's pretty clear who came here to defend their own bias'.

Anyone trying to frame this in a positive light needs to reevaluate what they are rooting for...

The first thing you're doing wrong is assuming that anyone has actually really tried to destroy ISIS. They haven't. Certainly not america. You see, you believe that Trump will just continue to do the same shit they did (which is get money out of it, not get rid of it) that's not true.

This is an entirely different approach to the situation.

This is what Trump is all about. Anybody who thought he would be fiscally conservative can wake up now.

It's like they were asleep through the election. He repeatedly said aggressive shit that made it obvious he would be a warmonger in office.

Shit is going to get real as he implements his fantasies.

...or...we're finishing up a war...

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But ISIS!!

or perhaps we have been at war for to long and we need to start winning to end this one you fuck.

and how the fuck do you win this war?? What does victory even look like in this situation? This fucking moron trump doesn't even know what a theoretical victory would look like, it's just more impossibly vague bullshit to pander to his crowd of literal retards.

as opposed to the game winning strategy obama employed for the last 8 years, oh please enlighten me.

Stop blaming "the military industrial complex."

It is NOT the defense establishment that got Trump election. It was NOT the defense establishment that started the Iraq war.

It was the Israel lobby.

But Democrats won't breathe a word about the Israel lobby - because the Democratic party is owned and operated by the Israel lobby.

this isn't about starting a new war, its about ending (by winning) the current war we are in against terrorism, drugs, guns, and human trafficking

Have you read Trance-Formation of America? Trump really seems to be taking aim at dismantling the horror that our government built.

You should research the CIA funding "terrorism", the opiate triangle and it's relation to our military actions, the cia importing drugs into this country, who's importing weaponry out, and what corporations are benefitting from human trafficking

I don't know if war is ever necessary, but if we only fight war that we can when and have a definite ending, then that would be a huge step up. As apposed to the forever "war on terror", for instance.

The US will always be at war. The elite make huge money off of being at war. It doesn't matter to them who wins or loses, just as long as the military contracts keep coming in. The idea of "USA the country" is just a shield for this people, behind which they hide. I wouldn't consider them Americans, they are just trying to make the most money they possibly can, and would blow US up if they had to and just move on.

The moment I heard an American news outlet refer to the chemical used to kill Kim Jong Un's broher as a weapon of mass destruction I realised that North Korea is the next target. They have 1950's weapons systems from the last korean war. Sure they'll put up a little bit of a fight, a sure ratings winner, but this could be an easy victory for the US. Of course then you'll have to deal with an influx of starving korean refugee's, and we all know refugees wouldn't be Americas strong point

Eh, chemical weapons (VX) have always been designated as a WMD.

I'm more concerned about the Trump administration putting Iran "on notice" for seemingly no reason at all.

Israel has strong control over American foreign policy, so people were acting like Obama had committed treason by brokering the nuclear deal with Iran. Trump and the GOP, mostly Trump, has shown they haven't a clue about middle eastern politics and are spoiling for a war. Carpet bombing yet another middle eastern country back to the stone age isn't going to bring more democracy to the region, and would probably lead to more terrorism in the long run, but that helps feed the war machine that eats its own tail.

I agree with Trump. We need an end goal if we go to war. Lately we have been going in with no end goal.

Don't you understand there is no "close this war out" as long as we are there, there will be war. First we were fighting for oil, then we fought saddam because he couldn't be controlled, now we're fighting for poppy resources for heroin , oil ,government contracts, arms deals, private militaries, and best kid all the saudis. The best thing to do with the military is to sell it bit by bit and let the defense corporations shrivel and die.

I'd like to think trump is talking about ending wars for a change.

Yeah, so would I...

But you don't end a tradition of DECADES of military aggression by INCREASING the "defense" (ATTACK!) budget, do you?

Hey, you can be anti war and still believe we need to strengthen our military. We've seen our military regress in years past, and while I hate a lot of what we do, in THEORY, a nation should have a strong military as a deterrent.

Not gonna happen. We can however take care of our own damn selves by watching out for the truth.

Moving on,

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal

This is a reasonable deal, when you look at it, that Iran has to follow. As is with politics they surely must have gotten a handsome payout to eliminate their nuclear energy.

Recently though Iran has been acting daft and conducting missile tests. Add the fact that they are the number 1 terror sponsor as the SECDEF said last month and we can presume another war on terror will kick off since they are capable of putting america at risk.

However

The real reason Iran is in US optics is because they are going to drop the petrodollar for the petroeuro. I outlined this in a post here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u1io1/theory_iran_will_be_the_next_war_within_3_years/?st=izp7e8k9&sh=256cc84d

The nuclear deal was announced Jan 17th 2016 then on the 9th of Feb Iran announced they were going to start moving away from the petrodollar to the petroeuro. This year they have announced they are able to do so and will implement this the 21st of March.

When you keep in mind the debt ceiling is the 15th of March with the outcome affecting the economy, plus Iran's wildcard move, you can see how a war would stimulate the economy while keeping the dollar in power. The last country to put the dollar in jeopardy was Iraq. Before Iraq was invaded they too dropped the dollar for the euro and made some handsome profits.

I get surprised at how some people refuse to face reality and realize the recent wars have been economical. If the petrodollar were to stop being used by foreign nations the US economy would tank. It's not hard to surmise that it is not a matter of if but when Iran will kick off. The foundations for a war are already there with the civilian support of the administration, evil boogeyman, economic threat, military support. All that is needed now is a false flag to set it all off to keep the dollar in power.

Trumpets: THIS is a real manipulation tactic a "4d chess" if you will. You've already proven you refuse to see the connection between recreational marijuana crackdown and private prison stocks price soaring now you won't see the Iran war you'll be fighting in. You voted for this now you're going to fight in it.

that is exactly what he said. Only when there is no other option they will resort to war.

Lol someone on Reddit conspiracy advocating for war and supporting the interests of corrupt politicians and businessmen? Pssshttt....gfto here...

Think anyone who wants to go up against Russia (the way the Democrats and Republicans are going after Russia) is as crazy as a suicide bomber. Difference is the truck there going to blow up is the earth we live on

I post a fact; -2 downvotes.

You post a supporting opinion of that fact; 5 upvotes.

Reddit is fucking stupid sometimes. I only posted to try to clear up all the hysteria and bullshit people are ranting on about; taking what he said out of context, but people don't seem to want to acknowledge anything but "Trump = Dr. Evil" narrative.

Are you arguing that Trump's statement means he is going to end wars? Trump just approved a spending increase of $54 Billion to defense, that's not how you end wars. It is literally impossible to "close this war out". First, what war are you actually talking about? Because there are many. Second, the military industrial complex is not America. The military industrial complex is the alliance between the nation's military and the arms industry. The only way you sever that cord is by cutting defense spending, not increasing it. Third, there is no war at home. There are people with different points of view, and there is a media that actively exploits and exaggerates those differences so we continue to fight among ourselves and not direct our anger at our oppressors, the government. When you actually start to have a conversation with people with opposing views you will find a lot of common ground. The insinuiate that there is a war at home, is to insinuate that the American people are naturally violent, they are not. You should stop listening to the news so much, they will poison your mind into believing average people are overwhelmingly violent (most of us aren't). The news likes to portray exceptions as the norm. When the leader of the American government says "Its time we start winning at wars" and increased defense spending by billions, that means get ready for more wars. Not we are ending wars. It's pretty simple ...