I know you already discounted this but you sound like you are losing it in your head.

Nope, just a dude walking to get some groceries.

Please do this, everything that seems out of the ordinary just ignore it. Go to a mental health professional and at least talk to them honestly and openly. Please don't tackle this alone.

Edit: Also to the people downvoting the above comment please don't, we don't need to gang up on them but we do need to be positive and encourage them to speak with a professional.

I've seen two psychiatrists, and both give me a clean bill of healthy, but maybe some ADD.

Other people have seen/verified the weird happenings and devices around me.

Please open your mind, your options, beyond "see a doctor", or leave this subreddit.

Please don't give out ultimatums like "see things my way or leave". No I won't leave this sunreddit and I won't change my outlook on your situation until I saw evidence. You provided no evidence and your writings scream of paranoid delusions.

Edit: based on what you've been writing I have doubts that you were truly open and honest with the psychiatrists, try another one and tell them you don't want ADD meds.

Yeah I was being a dick, my bad.

I was being open and honest. That's how I am, probably too much so, with most people, heh.

Go to the doctor before you hurt an innocent.

And just fyi, if we're both walking down the same alley by chance, and you start running at me with a knife and a dog, I'm going to shoot you in the chest twice.

So if you don't seek help, you could end up hurting others and ruining your life.

I'd never hurt an innocent. You people just don't understand as you've never lived this, open your mind for a minute, and think about it from my viewpoint.

Feel free to shoot me as many times as you want if that situation arises.

These events have been verified by my wife and others, and the devices found in my house, so, unless we're all crazy, and seeing the same things at the same time, than these events are real.

And, for the hundredth time, I've already seen two doctors and both say I'm normal mentally.

"I have more of a thirst for their deaths than I do (their) answers" -a fuckin loon who chases (probably) innocent Latinos down alleyways with weapons.

Meh, you haven't had your passport denied, 120mph car chases, people attempt to kill you with poison and on and on.

Oh, but you keep on making your cute little comments, and I'll keep here with my various weapons waiting for these monsters to slip up, make sure the timing is juuuuuust right and they are a smear.

Dude, if all of this were actually happening to me, I would have moved to Russia or china by now.

You've stated you don't like your wife anymore, etc etc etc. If life is that much of a hell for you here, why not go into hiding?

Alaska is where I would go if I wanted to escape.

I am trying to move!!!!!! They keep blocking my passport! :(

Oh, I love my wife dearly, deeply, but the core trust is no longer there, and will never return, meaning the end of the marriage once I leave. It is extremely painful and I curse the CIA/NSA/LIEDOS with every fiber of my being. My hatred is pure, it fuels me, but I keep careful, am cautious.

Do you know that I have actually cried a few times recently? Me! Crying! Hahahahaha, how absurd, isn't it? First time since I was a child I believe. That's the type of pain, sorrow, and confusion they create in this world, and they need to be removed from this planet to improve our species, but that's a debate for another thread.

I have no money to move easily as you suggest. I literally am 15 days late on rent every time. It never used to be like this... it's so horrible, I'm so sorry everyone.

When I lost my head I tell you man I was done with my gf my family. After 17 days of hospital stay I returned to the world and got back to my life. It was scary. You can repair the damage. You can get the trust back. Don't throw your life away because you lost your mind. You wife will wait for a bit but not forever please don't ruin your life. It will be something you cannot get back. Even tho it seems like your marriage or life is done your not yourself. Your head is playing tricks on you. No one is watching you. It's just you. And only you can make this better. I'm not into god but damn bro you need serious GOD like help!

I've seen two psychiatrists, and both give me a clean bill of healthy, but maybe some ADD.

Other people have seen/verified the weird happenings and devices around me.

Please open your mind, your options, beyond "see a doctor", or consider leaving this subreddit.

Doctors don't know it all man. But I know crazy and paranoid because I've been there and your def struggling with some hardcore paranoia.

Other people confirming the strangeness, means that it is real, see?

Could you post a picture of the devices you found?

Pics or it didn't happen! -Reddit

Same.

I think you misunderstood me, I was also asking for pictures

Sameeee.

They're being held by two different people.

Metallic rods of incredible strength that shocked me when I put them into these magnetic fields. I don't know much about magnets, but didn't know that they could cause shock.

Other metallic things, like one was a battery for a motherboard, or something like that, strange too, as someone had installed in into my room, then painted over it. REALLY weird as the entire house just had a remodel before I moved in.

I don't fully understand it. Magnets, how do they work? ;)

And you took pictures of them, right?

I don't mention them, and don't speak of them often.

Data involving the bizarre devices and metals I have found has a value, and I don't hold many cards as it is.

Heh, you know, it's funny when that heater repair man came over. I was chilling on the couch, being nice, but for some odd reason he was scared out of his mind. I haven't seen a person that terrified since helping that car accident victim a while back. Pin-point pupils, nervous as all hell. Strange.

I caught him looking for one of the devices I found and kind of hid away. There was no reason to look where he was, there was no "panel" in that place, heh. Oh, silly people, did you think that I was going to keep that there when a stranger was entering my home? Buahahahaha, while I'm not Mr. Bond, or whatever, I'm smart enough to foresee some of these... attempts and outwit them, sometimes.

That device is now being held by someone many miles away from me, with instructions upon my death.

Odd, i'm not sure what to make of it. If you do get the chance pm me the pics and I might be able to identify it. Any serials if they are present would be best.

Different people are holding them, and other items.

I had to be very careful as I am constantly monitored. Heh, I'm being monitored in ways that I never knew existed, or so I am guessing, tech that isn't available to the public, or so I kind of think, not 100% sure about it.

Hey, maybe I'm the fucking anti-christ or some shit and I don't even know it! ;p

There's the grandeur!

Haha, sarcastic grandeur.

I see myself as my username. Just a guy going through life.

These events have been verified by my wife

Wait, I thought you said you can't trust her?

And, for the hundredth time, I've already seen two doctors and both say I'm normal mentally.

I call bullshit on that one. I bet you never said anything at all like what you're saying here... if you ever even went to a doctor.

Even if a doctor told you you were mentally unstable, you'd find some way to turn it into the doctor being "in on it". It's classic paranoia.

Well, that's your opinion. Odd things can happen to people in life.

Listen up. I've been insane and let me tell you, you sound very troubled. Your letting your paranoia get the best of you. There's only one person who can change it. The doctors you saw are full of shit. You need some meds I think lithium or something else hardcore so you can wake up from this madness before you hurt yourself or others.

I've seen two psychiatrists, and both give me a clean bill of healthy, but maybe some ADD.

Other people have seen/verified the weird happenings and devices around me.

Please open your mind, your options, beyond "see a doctor", or consider leaving this subreddit.

This guy again. Listen to yourself dude. You're paranoid. Why, I say, WHY the hell would a 3 letter agency dedicate so much time, planning, resources, and man power dedicated to fucking with you? You're not special. You don't have special powers or have insider information that "they" want to "get" you for. But please, explain why they need you so badly that they'll spend so much time trying to "get" you

Paranoia, sure, for defensive purposes.

Again, and boy it's annoying having to pound this into your guy's thick skulls, these events, many events, and devices are verified by other people too. Think about that, ffs people.

It is a very good question, one I've pondered for a long ass time. Why would a three letter agency, you know, like the connection to the NSA server from my home network verified by Wireshark, and the CIA (supposedly) that has been mentioned to me by several people now, and whoever else, spend the god damn time, money, life-hours, resources and blah blah, to fuck with me, instead of doing whatever they are supposed to be doing.

Nope, I try to be as "not special" as possible for like 6 months now, hoping that they'll get bored, or whatever, and go away. Nope, they don't.

I never claimed special powers or info, don't play that bullshit with me.

I don't have an explanation. Maybe I pissed someone off long ago, and they have the money/power to just have me endlessly fucked with until my eventual suicide or w/e.

Listen, if no one else saw these things too, and the devices, and the docs said I was bonkers, I would have killed myself a long time ago to end the hell that would be from a warped mind. That isn't the case, there is still a small chance that I can escape this nation, unfortunately, and live a new normal life, so I keep going, but I'm exhausted from it, and now would be very happy to see them dead, if that's how this has to end.

I guess we'll see! It will be best if I get the mother fucking passport, quickly. It's already a week late.

Nice role play. Try posting some proof to back up your fantasies

Eh, that's the fun. What's a photo of a jeep or a metal rod going to prove?

Wasn't there a section of the nazi's that did what's happening to you as a form of psychological torture? interesting.

Something about "Stazis" or something about east/west Germany. I've read a few things, it kind of matches up, but not completelty.

I'm not sure who I could have pissed off so badly to have these things happen. I thought I did some pretty good things in my life, like ran a charity for the homeless that did well for a while (all unpaid time), and ran a somewhat good, honest, tech business too.

Cool larp, bro

Pictures/proof of small metal clicking devices.

You must be a truly special person for any agency to take such interest in you , I actually know people in the real world that have sold drugs for decades , men that have killed other men , men who have done far worse than go to the store and didn't have a fraction of the heat you have , once again you must be a very special person to have an agency dedicate so many resources and time on you. Your a special man and I hope your ok

Oh yeah, super mega special with wizard powers and billions of dollars and shit. /sarcasm

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Figured you were being sarcastic with the botted account and the name.

Hey, if I do end up a dead mother fucker, I'm taking out at least three with me. Your people, if you are in on this, Mr. Botted account, know the score. They know what I have setup and how ugly it'll be if either I die, stopping the needed stimuli needed "for those three", or I don't get that passport and out of here, and the real shit show begins.

I figure the game is in your/their hands now, I guess it mostly always has been, but I'm done with the abuse/games at my expense. It's time for blood, or for a new life. I'd rather walk away from this alive, even though I'm losing either way at this point, you dirty mother fuckers. True monsters of humanity, the new SS, a new form of 1984 in the digital age. Your kind/they must be so proud of their "grand works".

Your putting your thoughts on reddit where there's infinity amount of trolls that revel in your misery. Don't let them win. Get ahold of yourself. Pm me if you want some 1 on 1 from someone who temporarily lost their mind, due to synthetic cannabinoid abuse.

Other people confirming the strangeness, means that it is real, see?

No. Confirming something is odd doesn't mean it's anything strange. It means that you and they don't under stand the physics behind it. Don't you agree it is possible that someone could be messing with you? I mean believing that you are special and are being monitored is not probable unless you are a high level drug dealer or doing something highly illegal.

I am not doing anything for the last six months. I just stopped dead.

It's still going on.

6 months? What drugs were u into. I was big into the synthetic cannabinoid aka spice it messed me up for a long time. Took years to adjust back to base.

I had some weed and 2c-b. Well researched, used safely, blah blah.

This isn't drug related.

I'm glad you're okay. :)

I still smoke weed daily. Keeps me cool. If I don't smoke I go off the deep end and get irritated extremely easily. If you need a stable ear pm me and we can work some shit out if somethings on ur mind.

Welllll the 2c-b explains a lot

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Nope, sometimes some good beer though!

I plan on moving to another country ASAP. Funny that, my passport was denied the first time due to some warrant that didn't exist. Heh, kind of like when I tried to buy the shotgun and was blocked by the FBI for "undisclosed reasons", yet I have no felonies. If another excuse for a denied passport is given this time, it's going to get bad. It will be best if I get that mother fucking passport.

Trust me, I'd rather leave. Expand your options from "crazy or larping" or leave this subreddit.

Have you checked on the history of your home? Is there a possibility you have been targeted for experimentation because of the property you purchased?

Otherwise, are you a programmer or something? Have you worked on any compartmentalized job contracts?

Thank you. It's followed me through 5 states, OK, MT, SD, ND and now VA.

It might have started in NJ. I'm not sure. At first I figured it was some crazy cult, thought I'd "shake them off", but nope.

Yeah, coded many things, but nothing terribly special. I've worked on a few strange things, but, again, nothing that would affect national security or I seriously doubt that anyway.

I'm not suggesting you would have the whole picture, if you worked on pieces, which is common in that field. Perhaps however, that could've been the way in which you became a target? Idk, just throwing out what came to me as I read your account of the circumstances.

I am afraid you may hurt someone or be hurt, as well. I don't think you're crazy, but if you're being pushed to act in these bizarre ways, how can you ever be sure someone is a genuine threat?

Stay safe & calm, man. Peace.

Edit: pushed in bizarre ways, not acting in bizarre ways. I phrased that weird.

Nah, shitty web code, and some code to speak to satellites, nothing amazing.

A couple of video games.

Some AI hackery shit in my youth.

Nothing amazing, I never applied myself enough, normally out of boredom and laziness. :\

Yes, I appreciate the help. I have tried many paths of thought, everything from the far out there, like I died in that car crash in PA, and I'm in a "minimum" version of hell, though I wouldn't think I'd go to hell! Who knows though, maybe some uptight assholes are running "the show".

I've thought that maybe it was the Bush Jr face on the monkey ass thing in the video game that thousands played and never caught. (lul) So they found out and put me on the shit list.

Maybe I said something on the web that I cannot even recall and it was so bad that "they" put me on the shit list. (Doubtful though, yeah I'll open my big flap, but within reason, though less so lately with all of this lack of fucks being given now.)

Maybe it could have been some of the drugs from back in the day, but I never sold or made them, just personal "responsible" usage as I'm not a fan of alcohol. Seems pretty god damn stupid though.

Maybe some of the places I shouldn't have seen while visiting parts of the web I probably shouldn't have been on, though I wiped my computers. (Freaked me out majorly.)

This stuff all happened FOREVER ago, like two plus years ago. Why keep bothering me? lol, it's fucking stupid.

BTW, they are incompetent. Shockingly stupid at times, and other times, quite clever indeed. I cannot win as I am only one man, one brain, with no money, now no family (thanks to them), and no connections (again, they had a big hand in that one). Sooooo why keep after me? What's the goal? No, I'm not going to kill myself when I know I have an enemy to destroy. You fuckers are just going to have to man up and blow my brains out already, or it's going to get real nasty here right quick, OR give me that passport and I'll be on my way.

I have been extremely cautious not to have innocent people hurt, though they don't seem to care. During the car chase the other night (yeah, a thing that happens now), I let off once they got to a populated area. I will not attack them with a weapon unless I am extremely sure that "something isn't right" and they're paying too much attention to me, in a place where they shouldn't be. Strange thing is that a lot of these idiots don't seem like pros, they seem like every day people who are, for some inexplicable reason, paying attention to me, following me where they shouldn't, talking in mics around me, fucking with me in the stores, weird shit like that. It is truly bizarre.

I stay at home now, hiding away, attempting to not have violence rule the outcome. I don't want trouble, never did, but they want trouble, and I cannot explain why... fuck it's so annoying. Do you know how many times they've made my wife cry? How much sorrow and horribleness they've brought into our lives when we were just this happy little married couple? The fuck is wrong with these scum bags?

Sorry, kind of venting, thank you for being nice.

Yeah man, it must be incredibly frustrating. I've read about gang stalking before, but this sounds terribly extreme. I can't even imagine.

I hope you find some relief.

It's a thing to behold.

I fuck with them now. Dance with a lady in the store, said "HEY JON! How are you buddy?! :D" to a guy in the store too. These people were there for me, and were not shopping as normal people do.

Twilight zone.

Thank you, by the way.

You're the same guy who said you had to flee the country because the FBI is following you and trying to take photos of you with children, and in that post you said your wife could back up your story. Now you're saying you're wife is against you and she's a part of it. Your story is changing.

while I await my passport to arrive so I can leave this nation, and if it's blocked again, it's going to end badly for a lot of evil folks:

are you suggesting you're going to hurt some "evil folks"?

No, the story isn't changing. I'm not saying that she's 100% against me, but I have caught her doing things I will not mention here, that seem very suspicious. I'm keeping notes. I did a test once, a simple test, simple tests make it so that the data reveled has a very low probability of error. She "failed" the test. This, and other events, show that she is somehow, for some reason, working with this, maybe in the middle. I am saddened by this, deeply.

My plan, well, the "best outcome" plan, is to take my dog and I out of the nation and live a new life, as sad as that will be. New name, new language, new customs, new business, new wife.

Read my words with a critical eye, but don't attempt to twist what I state.

are you suggesting you're going to hurt some "evil folks"?

I do not have plans to hurt anyone. My plan is stated above. I'm not on this earth to cause pain, I'd rather bring joy and love to others (reads cheesy, but yeah).

you say that you don't plan to hurt anyone, but you commented this to someone else just a few minutes ago:

Oh, but you keep on making your cute little comments, and I'll keep here with my various weapons waiting for these monsters to slip up, make sure the timing is juuuuuust right and they are a smear.

if your assumptions turn out to be wrong...that's murder. please be careful

if your assumptions turn out to be wrong...that's murder. please be careful

Those are your words, not mine.

It will be best for all involved if that passport comes through, my dog and I are safely in Europe, and my soon ex-wife remain safe.

If this does not transpire soon, well, I guess we'll see what happens.

Those are your words, not mine.

if you had killed the hispanic guy in the alley that you mentioned, who you thought was following you, that would be murder if it turns out he wasn't following you. that's not my interpretation, that's what it the crime is called.

I guess we'll see what happens.

see statements like this are why I feel you need to be careful

I believe that we all need to be careful.

They've gone far out of their way to destroy my life and cause a massive amount of pain/grief and on and on.

Either I leave this nation, tearfully, or vengeance, however lacking, will be mine.

Tell me wether you received or not my PM if you see. I sent you a big one but it disappeared from my feed and i don't remember if that is normal or not. Cheers.

Yeah, it's awesome, and well written, can you post it here?

It's up to you, i don't mind it posted to be honest, but i explained the reasoning against in PM. You have my free way if you feel inclined to do so, since it was for you and i didn't talk about anything personal, you are free to do as you feel, if you'd like third party opinions on reddit definitely do that, just remind yourself not everybody there is here to (try to) help. Also i have this weird fantasy that higher CIA rankings could see it wether PM or not should they take an interest in it, so it's just a different degree of risk.

Might as well post it for discussions sake. NSA have access to my comps, so they've seen it.

Sounds like you looked "interesting" at some point. I think that they expect to fully be able to manipulate anyone, and when someone seems though on this aspect, after some successful tests (of resistance), they may take a longwhile interest. So they may be doing that to learn something from someone who belongs to a type of human biology/mind/mindset they haven't finished studying yet. That is, if you are fair in what you say, actually i'd expect it either from someone fair or by someone completely sold, it'd be funny if i was talking to CIA ahah. But i'm assuming not for this message. Anyway if that's for real there's little help to be found in this world sadly. As for what i think can be true of their general purpose, """they""" (not talking about CIA) consider life a learning/testing experience instead of a living one. So you may be someone that lives very fully but thinks little of the world outside of himself with some interesting traits that makes the experiment worthwhile. In the end their purpose, on this train of thought, for their own learning, may be to just break you in the end. This is all speculation, but i think the best way you got to fight is to troll them in an extreme way. That's the only middle way between boing down and charging a shotgun that i know of. When you see someone that it's part of it, instead of ignoring, talk openly to him like a friend, but with the intent of pushing insecurity at the end. Look his reactions. Get to know them. Push more fear into them than they do into you. And do it with a big, satisfacted smile on your face when not a laugh. If you suspect someone doing this is an MK slave, hold no mercy. Push a conversation, try to go political, then randomly talk about those faggots that gave their children into the hidden mafia, talk about how some families truly are just born losers that can't be helped. Push an unfair bias that should "explore" their subconscious should that be the real case. Find way to out them to you and put a big smile on. It's not like i have no compassion for those guys (when that's the real case), but we should all be ready to shot down the hungry bear when it points towards us. Only keypoint for doing this is to retain a solid plausible deniality that you weren't trying to hurt anyone's feelings later. Communicate your real intentions only with your smile or laugh. A "positive poker face" so to speak, although you must truly retain fun to make it work optimally i think. The example i used isn't really usable as it doesn't entail a social plausible deniability, but i think you get the purpose of the strategy. The way out of an impossible situation is to stop being defending but on the aggressive side. Trolling is a pacific way of aggression that can be used to clash non phisically and it can hurt and break masks just the same. Actually, the CIA is doing that to you atm. It doesn't take long to shot you down and you know it. The reason they don't is because you aren't their enemy, you are their experiment. I'm sorry you are in for the game. To sum it up: Never think about it to defend, find way to have plausible deniality about just being friendly when talking to this people, and when you know you have to do something about it, troll them to death. You must retain a positive idea of life for this to "work out" (i can't know exactly when do they consider the experiment over or if your prize is freedom or death, though.) Also, if you are open minded, try read this. http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html It was one of the best leaks/lies from the above. Now if you can consider it abstractly as the guy says, looking purely at the message, i think you'll gain some insight. And even if the guy was a fake, he still got the highest mental vibration i ever felt from someone. The best "lie-flow" if that was the case. That's still very useful you if later choose to troll them for real. May help you in other areas too. I'm sorry you get the rough treatment, but since if they so choose there's no way you can win the fight, give it up, stop thinking about it and get the most fun you can from the process. I understand you have family and duties etc, but this is not something you decided so, don't feel too bad for any kind of reaction you elect to adopt. Just keep it positive. Those that are doing this to you have been rotting on the inside for a lot or are ignorantly oblivious and sold. Use some compassion despite if you choose to shot the hungry bear or let him have his dinner. Either way don't feel bad about it. The most important thing is to use this positivity to push fear into those fuckers. And intelligence. You are going to a doctor you know is lying on a very ethic stuff, don't just go. Bring a microphone, register the conversation, then when he says "CIa, it's CIA", say well you should come testify so we can get them in jail, then record it all, put it with his name on the internet and archive it, then contact good alternative medias to spread the story. Real audios are very hard to prove wrong. Use tech to your advantage. This is all speculation and a kind of brainstorming, i don't mean to give you solutions, just the ideas i can see fit for crafting your owns.

Goodbye good formatting, ahahah.

Gaaaaaah MY EYES! :P I'll wait until you have time to break it up

For what? you have already read it well formatted by now ;)

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Sounds like you looked "interesting" at some point.

Maybe, probably.

and when someone seems though on this aspect, after some successful tests (of resistance), they may take a longwhile interest.

Their interest has caused me a great deal of suffering. Their deaths would be welcomed payment, and probably a positive happening for the human species.

As for what i think can be true of their general purpose, """they""" (not talking about CIA)

Then who? I am not well educated in all of the various groups out there.

consider life a learning/testing experience instead of a living one

Possible explanation for our reality, yes.

So you may be someone that lives very fully but thinks little of the world outside of himself with some interesting traits that makes the experiment worthwhile.

I try to keep others in mind, but I do live life fully, er, used to do so...

In the end their purpose, on this train of thought, for their own learning, may be to just break you in the end.

Well, I suppose leaving my wife and my life to start a new one would be breaking me, yes. They've managed to destroy much, so tip of the hat to them for that, I suppose.

This is all speculation, but i think the best way you got to fight is to troll them in an extreme way.

Yes, there are plans in play for my new friends, but my resources are limited. : ^ )

MK slave

Can you expand on this, please? I've seen many people I would describe as "bots", or "minions", heh.

To sum it up: Never think about it to defend, find way to have plausible deniality about just being friendly when talking to this people, and when you know you have to do something about it, troll them to death.

I have manipulated them several times, and them me. The stakes are higher now, as the player is exhausted. I will "troll" when I can, and when no one is around, I will kill them with great hatred.

I will read the link... I'm skeptical about those types of topics, but, sure.

I will continue, and increase data collection efforts for proof. Thank you.

As i said the i provided the link not to make you a "believer" of something, the message may not be that relevant for you, but the writing and mental coping skills of the guy/liar/whatever he is will enhance anyone's game if you can extrapolate. Can't say more than this, the real point of his entire discussion is that ultimately there's no "elevator" for understanding, we will have to walk faster if we want to get it earlier. Hard topic to explain if not impossible, or no more possible than me moving your feet with my mind... And yes, i noticed all the wrong dates the first time reading it aswell. I told you, the value is not face value of what he says, but how he says it, how his emotional mastery basically flows in his messages. If you can "crack his code" you will get ahead. LARPing is a good way to learn this mastery. Can you picture reality as a hellish box which only foster happyness for the sake of later pain, that god is an evil monster and yet be able to spin all this in your mind and come up for a reason it's a good thing for you? if you have this power, it doesn't really matter what its true or what you believe. Basically is about making your thought more powerful than the external reality. One of the two will definitely crumble sooner or later, all resources are limited. And if you can put your hands on a free-energy mental battery, i urge you to. If you can love this game, you can also win it.

MK slaves are just basically living scripts. They got scripts for fucking and when and how to, same for killing, annoying people, etc. Their "inside" in the spiritual sense is completely removed. They are faces with a processor behind that is entirely property of someone else. (This btw is one of the few real meanings of "lizard people" i know of; basically our brain is composed of 3 parts, the lizard one being our old ancestry and our superior parts concerning emotional and spiritual awareness. Those were removed in this people, or to better say, they were "quarantined" for lack of better term)

See, the hatred part is what probably keep you chained to them. As i said for you to win the "trolling battle" it requires you honestly don't think much about it, and when you do is to have some fun with them. "Outgrow" them.

When 2 people have an emotional battle where both care and both feel hurt and want to hurt the other side, what is the ultimate "win" you can individually obtain? to stop caring. To just stop thinking about it and accept that person has to be gone from your thoughts. What benefit you the most is exactly what hurts the other party the most, because you have framed your interactions as a competition.

Until you play the game of hatred they will win, because its their game, and they are great at it. Emotionally you are playing their game. You must "eject" from this, craft your own game which is not based on who destroys the other the best, but of what is more to your benefit.

It is to your benefit to destroy them if it means it fucks you up? no? then they will profit from this intent. It is to your benefit to worry about them all day? no. It is to your benefit to hate them? no. Is it to your benefit to stop caring about what's not in your power to change (or would cost you too much of your resources to make sense) and find ways to just ignore it, or if you happen to think about it, to just entertain the thought of all this fuckery like a little funny petty thing that lastly doesn't stand a chance against the power of your mind to choose better thoughts? i believe so. The problem is that "they" have no real body you can hit. Hating them is exactly like punching the air. You will only meet puppets and never the master. He got plenty more and he will be happy you lastly fell for it.

Even if all this said you still had this big hatred for the master, you will need to circumnavigate the hatred for the puppets to get to hurt the master. Getting mad at the puppets is part of his fun, not yours. Also getting mad at him is part of his fun and not yours, to be honest.

Are they really worth your thoughts? Why you think Jesus never got mad and when killed went all "forgive them for they know not what they do?" Because he had total emotional mastery and a total grip on his thoughts and he knew that hate was never going to make for a good time. They couldn't touch his emotional state even by crucifying him. That's what an unstoppable mind looks like to me. By all means, i wouldn't suggest anyone to go full Jesus since its just not going to work for most people. But you can definitely learn from him, because facing an impossible challenge, coping skills are extremely more useful than fighting ones. Taking again from Jesus, did he "lose"? how could he? he was not playing anyone else game. It's not bad to LARP yourself if it serves your game, or create a better one for you, or serves your understanding. If you understand the thought-reality thing, LARPing is a form of generating/crafting reality.

You know the thing they say for new speakers, "just think them all naked"? that's LARPing. Does it have a positive effect on you? yes. Does it really help some people? absolutely. Can you fabricate a fantasy story and still teach something of value through it? that's what fables are for.

Think beyond context, it's about the logic. Thought-Reality. You need to get on their levels and take your responsability in co-creating your reality. Fighting a giant fire with fire is a sure way to be sure your life burns down. Craft an hydrant for your mind. A thought that serves to remove their relevance from your life. A thought that makes it secondary and funny to you.

Do you think "spirit" "soul" "television" were real things before someone created them into their mind? everything LARPed his way into this world. If you can see it like this, it will get easier. Craft a narrative for yourself that they can't break and where they are ultimately just serving you.

Sorry, that link is chalk full of LARP-y bullshit and old dates when nothing happened. :\

You are suffering from a mental illness. Your urge to convince people it's real is part of your illness. The people you claim hear what you hear do not exist. As others have said, seek help. You may harm a random innocent person if this continues.

I'm going to make this a copy/paste:

I've seen two psychiatrists, and both give me a clean bill of healthy, but maybe some ADD.

Other people have seen/verified the weird happenings and devices around me.

Please open your mind, your options, beyond "see a doctor", or leave this subreddit.

Please open your mind, your options, beyond "see a doctor", or leave this subreddit.

Fuck that. You are sick, and you are talking about hurting people who are in on it. The only person in on it is you. Your mind is out of control and working against you. There is no possible way two mental health professionals gave you a clean bill of health unless you hid some of your story from them. You need to get over the idea that people who don't buy your story are trolling you or are close-minded. I believe in strange things that nobody has seen, my mind is more open than yours because it is not broken. Your story is not new, or uncommon. Your story is word-for-word the same tale that many who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia or related disorders tell. The way your life fell apart, and your business went under, they are telling clues that the problem you face is not "them", it is in fact "you". I'm not trying to troll you, I'm trying to shake you up and force you to consider the alternative... it's in your head and you need to save yourself from yourself before it's too late.

There is no possible way two mental health professionals gave you a clean bill of health

They did. I guess that upsets you, but okay.

You hid the crazy details of your story from them. Otherwise, they would not have told you that you were A-ok. I guess that upsets you, but okay.

Nope, told them what was up, and presented evidence, and they simply couldn't explain it.

Stop trying to put me in the crazy pile so hard. So many accounts are trying this and PMing me, spamming at this point, sheesh.

So many accounts are trying this and PMing me, spamming at this point, sheesh.

It's because you are promising to harm someone if this doesn't stop. That is why people are trying to convince you that you are in fact sick. You openly admit that "someone" is going to pay for what is happening to you. Stop threatening to harm random people and you will be back in your schizophrenic echo chamber where you want to be. Otherwise, don't be surprised by the negative reaction you are getting.

How did Jon know each time I left the doctors?

120mph car chase

Attempt on my life in edmond via testosterone

and on and on... it's real you asshole.

Schizophrenia is real you asshole. Stop threatening to harm random people! You are the threat!

When other people see what I see, than it isn't just in my head.

If the other people are in your head, YES it is just in your head.

lel, no, they're real people

the real question is why you? what makes you so special? or are your subconscious needs to feel important affecting your conscious reality?

Yeah, that's the weird one alright. I want to be left alone, so much, that I've pretty much done nothing for 6 months hoping that "they" (god I hate using that) leave me alone. Nope, still poking at me.

Mmm, others have verified the strangeness, so it's not all in my mind.

than embrace it, what's the worst that could happen. also doing nothing may be the problem, get out, join a sports league, get busy living, or get busy dying

Yep, I have been lately. Embraced it with no fucks to give, all while being fairly well armed. :)

really no point in being armed as you haven't identified the reason "they" would have interest you, how can you know it's malicious?

Read the fucking stories, then make your judgement and accusations.

"they" have made attempts against my life in the past. "they" have destroyed me financially, my credit so good, gone. Savings, gone. Business, gone. Trust in marriage, gone.

Basically;ly my life, gone.

I'm very comfortable with returning the favor to their kind.

not making judgments, just observations.

I expect we'll be reading about this nut job soon.

He's already at the stage where he is planning to attack people simply because he thinks they are "in on it".

To OP: seek help before you harm someone or yourself. If you show any psychiatrist a copy of this post, you can be damned sure they will take it seriously.

Since I'm on my phone and it's not easy to copy and paste what I said but basically I messaged OP because if he is serious I (mental health or not) I was intrigued- plus I work in a pretty different (the Mecca of that really wealthy "church" that Tom Cruise is all about) area and I'll just say I completely understand the paranoid feeling when you have people straight-up following you home. Not in a threatening way necessarily in my case, just in "why the fuck are you still behind my car for the 3rd time this week way", my fiancés had them do it to him so, that shit does happen.

Anyway I also happen to very interested in the ME (yea I know booo it's stupid but whatever it's interesting) and we were trying to figure out if there were in any common factors with us who felt that in a big way. There are a few (premature/low birth weight, ADD, etc) and one that was really interesting was being in a GATE program or trial as a kid. The ones where you're stuck in a room for hours doing annoying IQ-type tests and shit designed like games and that sort of thing.

As it just so happens OP was in one those programs too.

So that conversation led to some interesting 4chan threads about MK Ultra and I can find the links if anyone's interested.

Edit: https://np.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/5wmrvn/possible_link_between_gate_program_and_mandela/

So yea OP for what it's worth, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now lol and as to my second question, there's nothing you can think that would make you a target or anything?

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Yes, as a child I was in some programs, and gifted schools.

No. I am not a drug lord. I am not a Podesta (Why is he still free/alive?) I am not a rapist. I am a person who likes to see other people happy and wants to live life in a fun way, not at the expense of others.

I would think that is a good way to do things, others seem to be against that, strange.

I'll read your link in a bit.

Thank you.

I seem to fit into that strange category from your link.... what's next? :P

Loll if I had any idea what to do with all of this high-strangeness and information I would tell you but I got nothing. I just keep learning and trying to call the connections when I see them 🤔🤗, it's too hard to tell what's legit or coincidence sometimes.

So how did they try to offer you a job or whatever that was? I'm genuinely intrigued by what you're saying.

Idk if you're over there at all but /r/C_S_T tends to be a bit less hostile and more receptive towards these types of crazy happenings, you should definitely try posting your story there.

I don't think it's wise to talk about the possible job offer, and it may have been a joke at my expense anyway.

Very cool sub, nice banner too.

Is there a website for these GATE people to congri....gate?

Hey, I posted it here: https://np.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/5wyua0/lalalola89_suggested_that_i_post_the_twilight/

Yea I mean, I'm not saying there isn't the occasional asshole there too lol it just seems like a lot of the people who were sick of the hostility (and the constant Trump/Hillary battle) who actually want to talk shit out whatever it is, moved over there, so they might not jump down your throat as badly. I comment more here (I just have to sometimes, the BS is too strong) but they've got some interesting reads to be sure.

Congri-gate? You couldn't resist could you? Lol not really I mean, a few people (I'll have to find the links) have done some ME surveys and whatnot trying to figure out any connections between the people experiencing it and the Gate/study thing was just one of the big ones.

I'm not sure what to make of it without going wayyyy down the rabbit-hole and saying it's possible there are people who "they" have been following specifically as a control or experimental group their whole lives who they're fucking with or something. I thought that and decided if this is the case then I'm just guna say I must be a fucking x-man, I haven't discovered my powers but "they" know and are keeping tabs- it helps that not feel so creepy lol... but this is all just my wacky brain and that I totally want superpowers ;)

So I know you've said your wife's been targeted or whatever too, what sort of ways? Do you think it's just her connection to you or could it still just be some fucked up cult who decided to follow your family around? I mean that shit happens too... Oddly enough that's one of those things that a lot of mk ultra victims reported, there's a Highersidechats episode I listened to the other day and this woman Mary D Jones talks about her therapy sessions with people who've been harassed and stalked in various ways. It's interesting and at the very least should make you feel better that this happens to other people too https://youtu.be/X-4_6SFbZok

It's way better, thank you!!! :D

Everyone wants super powers. :P

They don't target her too much, just sometimes. I'll check out the video.

Drugs are bad kids, drugs are bad

if this is real this community has to be ashamed, confrontation will not help him, distrust will not help him, jokes will not help him. at this moment what we can do is pray for him, because whatever he is passin we are not judges, meybe this is the one place that he have to talk about, meybe we are avoiding something worst just by listen to him

Lots of trolls, and botted accounts, lots of good people too.

No problem.

Thank you for speaking up, I'm targeted in Iran and experienced it in MD and NC before. It's a horrible crime and everyone needs to know this is happening.

edit: this subject is shilled to death here...don't them get you down :)

I'd never hurt an innocent. You people just don't understand as you've never lived this, open your mind for a minute, and think about it from my viewpoint.

Feel free to shoot me as many times as you want if that situation arises.

These events have been verified by my wife and others, and the devices found in my house, so, unless we're all crazy, and seeing the same things at the same time, than these events are real.

And, for the hundredth time, I've already seen two doctors and both say I'm normal mentally.

Nice role play. Try posting some proof to back up your fantasies

Eh, that's the fun. What's a photo of a jeep or a metal rod going to prove?

Sameeee.

As i said the i provided the link not to make you a "believer" of something, the message may not be that relevant for you, but the writing and mental coping skills of the guy/liar/whatever he is will enhance anyone's game if you can extrapolate. Can't say more than this, the real point of his entire discussion is that ultimately there's no "elevator" for understanding, we will have to walk faster if we want to get it earlier. Hard topic to explain if not impossible, or no more possible than me moving your feet with my mind... And yes, i noticed all the wrong dates the first time reading it aswell. I told you, the value is not face value of what he says, but how he says it, how his emotional mastery basically flows in his messages. If you can "crack his code" you will get ahead. LARPing is a good way to learn this mastery. Can you picture reality as a hellish box which only foster happyness for the sake of later pain, that god is an evil monster and yet be able to spin all this in your mind and come up for a reason it's a good thing for you? if you have this power, it doesn't really matter what its true or what you believe. Basically is about making your thought more powerful than the external reality. One of the two will definitely crumble sooner or later, all resources are limited. And if you can put your hands on a free-energy mental battery, i urge you to. If you can love this game, you can also win it.

MK slaves are just basically living scripts. They got scripts for fucking and when and how to, same for killing, annoying people, etc. Their "inside" in the spiritual sense is completely removed. They are faces with a processor behind that is entirely property of someone else. (This btw is one of the few real meanings of "lizard people" i know of; basically our brain is composed of 3 parts, the lizard one being our old ancestry and our superior parts concerning emotional and spiritual awareness. Those were removed in this people, or to better say, they were "quarantined" for lack of better term)

See, the hatred part is what probably keep you chained to them. As i said for you to win the "trolling battle" it requires you honestly don't think much about it, and when you do is to have some fun with them. "Outgrow" them.

When 2 people have an emotional battle where both care and both feel hurt and want to hurt the other side, what is the ultimate "win" you can individually obtain? to stop caring. To just stop thinking about it and accept that person has to be gone from your thoughts. What benefit you the most is exactly what hurts the other party the most, because you have framed your interactions as a competition.

Until you play the game of hatred they will win, because its their game, and they are great at it. Emotionally you are playing their game. You must "eject" from this, craft your own game which is not based on who destroys the other the best, but of what is more to your benefit.

It is to your benefit to destroy them if it means it fucks you up? no? then they will profit from this intent. It is to your benefit to worry about them all day? no. It is to your benefit to hate them? no. Is it to your benefit to stop caring about what's not in your power to change (or would cost you too much of your resources to make sense) and find ways to just ignore it, or if you happen to think about it, to just entertain the thought of all this fuckery like a little funny petty thing that lastly doesn't stand a chance against the power of your mind to choose better thoughts? i believe so. The problem is that "they" have no real body you can hit. Hating them is exactly like punching the air. You will only meet puppets and never the master. He got plenty more and he will be happy you lastly fell for it.

Even if all this said you still had this big hatred for the master, you will need to circumnavigate the hatred for the puppets to get to hurt the master. Getting mad at the puppets is part of his fun, not yours. Also getting mad at him is part of his fun and not yours, to be honest.

Are they really worth your thoughts? Why you think Jesus never got mad and when killed went all "forgive them for they know not what they do?" Because he had total emotional mastery and a total grip on his thoughts and he knew that hate was never going to make for a good time. They couldn't touch his emotional state even by crucifying him. That's what an unstoppable mind looks like to me. By all means, i wouldn't suggest anyone to go full Jesus since its just not going to work for most people. But you can definitely learn from him, because facing an impossible challenge, coping skills are extremely more useful than fighting ones. Taking again from Jesus, did he "lose"? how could he? he was not playing anyone else game. It's not bad to LARP yourself if it serves your game, or create a better one for you, or serves your understanding. If you understand the thought-reality thing, LARPing is a form of generating/crafting reality.

You know the thing they say for new speakers, "just think them all naked"? that's LARPing. Does it have a positive effect on you? yes. Does it really help some people? absolutely. Can you fabricate a fantasy story and still teach something of value through it? that's what fables are for.

Think beyond context, it's about the logic. Thought-Reality. You need to get on their levels and take your responsability in co-creating your reality. Fighting a giant fire with fire is a sure way to be sure your life burns down. Craft an hydrant for your mind. A thought that serves to remove their relevance from your life. A thought that makes it secondary and funny to you.

Do you think "spirit" "soul" "television" were real things before someone created them into their mind? everything LARPed his way into this world. If you can see it like this, it will get easier. Craft a narrative for yourself that they can't break and where they are ultimately just serving you.