Yeah, sorta. Those two -isms are control mechanisms used to divide and conquer. Too much of either one is destructive. People are waking up and realizing this, and starting to notice the 3rd pillar that uses both of these isms to control the world. They don't care if the world is global or national, they'll figure out a way to manipulate both situations. The real conflict is control vs. freedom, or perhaps order vs. chaos. That said I can totally see that the globalist agenda has been pushed way too far, and the nationalist one is reactionary, and seems very necessary to fight back against the globalist control.

Was Hitler a Nationalist or Globalist?

Globalist pretending to be a nationalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ihB1wzJGM

Out of the amateur videos from YouTube. This guy is the best.

If Hitler hadn't tried to take over the world WW2 would not have been necessary. They want you to believe that globalism is nationalism and globalism is nationalism.

Globalism is a form of nationalism. It's merely Nationalism combined with manifest destiny, crony capitalism, and colonialism. Hitler's third reich was much more a "Globalist" pursuit than a nationalist one. The opposite of globalism is anarchism/libertarianism, not nationalism. Similarly, the opposite of nationalism is also anarchism/libertarianism.

Good comment and discussion point. I can sort of see how anarchism/libertarianism can be considered opposing ideologies, just not realistic and/or maybe too individualistic to actually serve as useful opposition to globalism/nationalism. People will want to instinctively unite and form tribes, government, armies, etc. in order to conquer and control others for their own benefit. People are just like that, trapped in that domination mindset. Anarchists, libertarians, and individualists will always be conquered because the tribe will always win over the individual, at least they always have throughout history. I think we need to figure out a more effective way to combat the controlling forces, not sure if those ideologies will do it.

If we are going to defeat them, we must unite behind all of the things they collectively oppose: liberty, equality, and non-authoritarianism.

yeah, ok. Liberty and anti-authoritarianism I can get behind. Equality not so much, as it's currently being used as an authoritarian weapon. People aren't naturally "equal", and trying to enforce equality (including notions of equal opportunity, equal rights, etc.) requires government, administration, law, which means authoritarianism. Maybe you can help me think through that problem, I appreciate your responses.

Equality in terms of "equal rights and equal protections". Not favoritism.

Let me rephrase: who will make sure there are equal rights and protections? Who will make sure people do not form their own tribes/groups that engage in favoritism for their own group benefit?

It doesn't sound like what you propose is at all possible if you actually do value liberty, free will, anti-authoritarianism, freedom of association, sovereignty, etc.

There's plenty of hypothetical solutions for handling the logistics, but an updated version of the Bill of Rights, with "do no harm" and "liberty" as its guiding principles would have to be at the core of it.

hypothetical solutions for handling the logistics

I have trouble imagining anything other "authoritarian government" being able to "handle the logistics."

"do no harm" and "liberty"

I want to agree, and mostly agree with these, but the terms are so subjective in regards to "Rights," and are already interpreted in different ways and are used as weapons. For example: pathological altruism. People who want to "provide civil rights" to particular group by overzealously trying to help them end up hurting themselves, or hurting their own in-group.

Well, from my perspective, defining the eventual structure is counter-productive, because it creates division from the get-go based on hypotheticals. What's more important is identifying that neither side currently embroiled in the battle for political supremacy has our (and by our I mean just about every American's) best interests at heart. Helping either of them hurts all of us, so we are best served by weakening and exposing them both as they attack each other.

Hitler was a globalist pretending to be a nationalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ihB1wzJGM

The ultimate source of the great conflict in the world is spiritual. It's Satan vs the Heavenly Father. And it's the children of the Heavenly Father (Adam and the Israelites, NOT the "jews") vs the children of Satan (ie, the "jews").

The drive for a totalitarian one-world government is Satan's plan -- as prophesied in the books of the Bible, especially the books of Daniel and Revelation. And it is ethnic jews leading this globalist "New World Order" conspiracy -- running the Illuminati, the communist movement, international banking, Freemasonry, Hollywood, the Establishment media, etc.

What's wrong with a one world government?

What's wrong with totalitarianism? What's wrong with the centralization and consolidation of power? Why bother with checks and balances?

How wouldn't there be checks and balances in a one world government?

What other governments would be around to keep it in check? Would you have preferred Hitler just took over the entire world, or are you glad that there were other countries able to keep him in check?

We have three (four) branches in our government. They keep each other in check.

Are you purposely misunderstanding my comments and downvoting, or are you just being obtuse? Do you feel out of place being one of the only "useful idiots" in the sub, trying to defend global NWO world domination? Do you want understanding or just want to troll?

I didn't downvote your posts, and I'm not purposely doing anything. I just like to debate, and I find the topic interesting.

I would see no problem in a world wide government as long as it had the same or an improved version of the checks and balances we have.

Do you think Islamist states would want to live under the same government, with the same laws rules, and "checks and balances" we have?

I don't think any country wants to live in a one world country right now.

What are you trying to imply?

So now you're changing words around, or are using a different definitions than what's commonly held, eg:

one world country

I never said one-world-country.

What does "one world government" mean, exactly to you?

Didn't mean to type country, meant government.

My hypothetical one world government would be like the EU mixed with UN, on a global scale.

I would argue that the EU is doomed at worst, already showing signs of failure at best. It's a perfect example of globalist one-world-government gone wrong, and why we should never have such a consolidation of power. It's good thing the countries are able to opt-out peacefully.

What are the signs of failure?

I'll just be honest and say that I don't think there's some NWO conspiracy or a TBTB, kind of thing, and I also think it's impossible for a One World Government based on my travels and experiences.

Brexit, possible Frexit, immigration issues, and very little progress has been made if any. I have residence and roots in Europe, a lot of people who've had hopes for EU have completely flipped on it.

Basically, yes. But "The jews" you're thinking of were largely a creation of freemasonry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVqxarMunw

The top of the system is really the British.

Freemasonry is controlled by jews. The religion of 'Judaism', codified in the Babylonian Talmud and the Kabbalah, forms the basis for the doctrines, rituals, and symbols of Masonry. The secret god of both Freemasonry and Judaism is Satan/Lucifer.

http://truthseeker-archive.blogspot.com/2010/11/jewish-satanic-origins-of-freemasonry.html

Freemasonry is controlled by jews.

Where is the Grand Lodge? Who created Israel?

The religion of 'Judaism', codified in the Babylonian Talmud and the Kabbalah, forms the basis for the doctrines, rituals, and symbols of Masonry.

That's part of it. There's also stuff from the Templars, Hashashin, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, etc.

Seriously, look at rosters of elite freemasons. There's some Jews in there, but they are certainly not dominant.

Judaism is the CORE of Freemasonry. The stuff from Egypt and the other sources you cite is fluff.

The Rothschilds founded the nation of (fake) "Israel", not the British. The Rothschilds and other elite jewish international bankers have controlled the government of England since the late 1600s.

Who controls international banking? Or Hollywood and the Establishment media? Who created the communist movement? Who founded the Illuminati?

Not the British people. Everywhere you look, it's ethnic jews leading this Satanic, "New World Order" agenda for the world.

The stuff from Egypt and the other sources you cite is fluff.

You might want to study the rituals of the York Rite, which is mostly Templar stuff, or the Shriners (hashashin). Seriously, look up the rituals, do some homework.

The Rothschilds founded the nation of (fake) "Israel", not the British. The Rothschilds and other elite jewish international bankers have controlled the government of England since the late 1600s.

That actually goes back to the Venetians. Again, not "The Jews" exclusively. Look at the history of the Black Guelphs, and how they transitioned into England and the House of Orange in Holland.

Who controls international banking?

The British.

Or Hollwyood and the Establishment media?

The British. Look into one of the first big movie hits "Birth of a Nation." It was a huge Klan propaganda piece. The Klan was created by Albert Pike and the masons.

Everywhere you look, it's ethnic jews leading this Satanic, "New World Order" agenda for the world.

Almost none of them are ethnic Jews. Khazarian Jews are not ethnic Jews. Many of the Zionists were not even nominally Jewish.

To deny the obvious fact that jews control Hollywood (or international banking) is utterly ridiculous.

The only part of your comment I partially agree with is statement about the Khazars. The people calling themsleves "jews" are NOT the real descendants of the Israelites. They descend from the Khazars, Edomites (Esau), and Canaanites.

The true biological descendants of the Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and kindred European peoples.

My point is that you find these Khazars/Edomites (who call themselves "jews") in power everywhere and leading the NWO conspiracy.

As I alluded to in the comments to this post, the religion of Judaism is Satanism. The jews are a "synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9). The jews have been given a Satanic "battle plan" for world domination. They have "super human" intelligence helping them. That doesn't mean they are invincible. They are not.

Yes. The jews are actually literal children of Satan. That sounds like hyperbole. But it's supported by the Biblical text. In Genesis 3:15, the Creator talks about Satan having "seed" or offspring in the earth.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/3-15.htm

I have seen evidence that the Khazars are descended from the Edomites (Esau, who married Canaanites). Not all jews are descended from the Khazars (only the Ashkenazi jews, or about 90-95% of jews). The other 5-10% of jews are the Sephardic jews, who descend from the Edomites.

This is significant because the Edomites are descended from Canaanites (including the Amalekites, etc). The Heavenly Father commanded the Israelites to completely exterminate these Canaanite tribes before entering the promised land. The reason was because these people are inherently evil. They are of a Satanic bloodline, ultimately going back to Cain, who was the son of Satan.

Proof of this here:

https://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/comparet/compcainsatan.html

No problem. And here is another good article (by same author) on the ancestry of the jews: https://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/comparet/who-are-jews.html

Another amazing (and hugely important) fact is that the true descendants of the Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and kindred European peoples. The reason that the elite jews (pushing the Marxist and globalist/NWO agendas) are trying to annihilate the white/Eruopean peoples is because it is a Satanic agenda to try to destroy the TRUE "chosen people of God".

Proof here:

1) https://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/comparet/comp4.html

2) https://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/comparet/comp12.html

To deny the obvious fact that jews control Hollywood (or international banking) is utterly ridiculous

That's a circular argument. Push back with facts. I already showed you that a lot of this "Jewish" stuff is actually the masonic lodge of B'nai B'rith.

The only part of your comment I partially agree with is statement about the Khazars. The people calling themsleves "jews" are NOT the real descendants of the Israelites.

Right. That's a lot of these "Jews" that you're referring to.

The true biological descendants of the Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and kindred European peoples.

That's exactly what the British royalty believe. They believe they sit on the throne of David.

My point is that you find these Khazars/Edomites (who call themselves "jews") in power everywhere

You also find TONS of gentiles. Are the Bushes and Clintons Jewish? Rockefellers? Vanderbilts? Bill Gates?

"The Jews" is a masonic conspiracy to throw you off the ones that really run everything, even though many Jews are involved.

It's certain that you can't deny that the media and large swaths of western government are run by "jews" or people that have labeled themselves jews. There's overlap where real actual jews are also part of the same cabal.

I think that when most people say (or any variation thereof), "it's the jews", they are referring to these self-labeled jews, not true-blood jews. Real semites. People like those in Naturei Karta. It's good that you make the distinction though.

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Did I say it was all jews? Or do you like making up arguments?

All I've been doing is citing facts. I've researched the NWO agenda for over 13 years. The evidence is overwhelming that elite jews are leading the NWO conspiracy.

You THINK those are facts. You're just giving me narrative. Reconsider the narrative. I've given you a great source to get started with.

Did you read the article I cited earlier? I already know that Freemasonry is a jewish creation. It's not Freemasons who are at the top of the ruling hierarchy. They are just one front group and tool of the rulers at the top.

Here's what Albert Pike said about the origins of Freemasonary (and the Illuminati):

"All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabalah and return to it; everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of all the Illuminati, Jacob Boeheme, Swedenborg, Saint Martin, and others, is borrowed from the Kabalah: all Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and their Symbols." (Morals and Dogma, p 744)

It's not Freemasons who are at the top of the ruling hierarchy.

Then why are there tons, and tons, and tons of non-Jewish freemasons in positions of power? Why are there lots of non-Jewish banking families?

and the Illuminati

You should read more about the origins of the illuminati. Notice how they start in the same year as the Revolution?

The top of the system is really the British

What this guy's talking about goes wayyyyyyyy further back than "the British", lonnnnng before Freemasonry. I mean, it's even in biblical passages like Revelations 3:9 (I'm not even Christian btw):

Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Yeah. The British are the head of Mystery Babylon right now. Remember Daniel's vision of the 4 kingdoms? The final kingdom is Rome. It dies, and later is revived, and it looks like the British Empire is what Daniel was referring to.

The British are basically Roman Collegia, that went to Venice (Black Guelphs), then England and the Netherlands (House of Orange).

There's even Red Dragons (like the one in Revelation) on a lot of heraldry. The Welsh flag, the King Arthur legend, lots of red dragons.

Good stuff! 2spoopy4me. Is Trump the Last Roman Emperor?

Good question. I have no answers.

Sort of. But the parties are not who you think they are. The "anti-globalists" like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon are actually on the payroll of the globalists. Look into the Council for National policy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_National_Policy

http://m.france24.com/en/20170228-usa-mysterious-billionaire-robert-mercer-played-crucial-role-trump-brexit-victories

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Council_for_National_Policy/

https://www.occupycorporatism.com/council-national-policy-right-hand-cfr/

Im of the opinion that all struggles are the result of class relations, going back to slave-master to serf-lordship to the present proletariat-bourgeoisie.

http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/government/nationalism-globalism-world-route/

Globalizism = New World Order = One Wolrd Governement

I think the two are intertwined. What happens when a nationalist wins and sustains it? They then want to go global. Its really just about power.

What are the signs of failure?

I'll just be honest and say that I don't think there's some NWO conspiracy or a TBTB, kind of thing, and I also think it's impossible for a One World Government based on my travels and experiences.