The Collapse Conspiracy
84 2017-03-02 by WixFix
QUOTE
"We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy."
- Chris Hedges
COLLAPSE = GREED
We use debt to enslave us with our own greed.
We use school to enslave us to debt.
We use illness to enslave us to debt.
After school, we slave to pay school debt.
We slave to buy a mortgage* to build up enough equity to pay for end-of-life health care debt, leaving nothing for the kids. Our lives are a vicious cycle of debt. By the time the lawyers and bankers are done with us, there's nothing left for our kids. The chains of our past debt is killing their future. Break free. Take back the currency and credit of your country.
We are slaves to collapse and extinction caused by our slavery to false ideals. Lies.
In the U.K. a police chief said they can't afford to jail all the people who look at child porn.
The catholic church is a pedo factory. Orphanages, adoption and child protection agencies are used to abuse and enslave our children.
We think war is a welfare program for our youth to get jobs.
We would rather believe lies and die than see the truth.
If we use taxes to pay for education and healthcare instead of war, we could solve most of this.
But we prefer the fugue of denial. We mistake debt slavery for wealth.
- translation: mortgage = death contract
63 comments
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
The problem is government. You clearly have not realize that, yet. Taxation is theft.
n/a Groomper 2017-03-02
So what? Are we supposed to live in anarchy? I'd rather have a democratic government to ensure some stability.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
Yup. Rules, no rulers...
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
n/a Groomper 2017-03-02
How do you enforce rules with no government? And a democratic government implies not rulers, but representatives.
And Ben Franklin definitely didn't mean we should live in anarchy. And not to purchase a little 'temporary safety'. It's to ensure that we can live in civil society.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
Community and self.
Democracy is shit, so are politicians. Both have rulers. Mob rule is no different and far worse than politicians sitting in ivory towers miles away from the communities/constituents they are "suppose" to represent.
-Lord Acton
How do you know?
Do you drive on the road civilly? If you say yes, well, you're a voluntaryist/anarchist and can self rule...
n/a Groomper 2017-03-02
What does this even mean in practice though? How do you enforce rules practically without a monopoly on force? All you end up with is internal war.
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Democracy can be good, it just isn't in a lot of places. Democratic institutions, when representative of the people's interests, can be incredibly valuable to our society.
Because he helped draft the damn Constitution establishing our current government.
I may drive civilly voluntarily, but others might not without enforcement.
n/a KlehmM 2017-03-02
Anarchy does not equal chaos. It is the "absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal." It's up to the people whether it descends into chaos.
If enough of The People are stupid, and divided, and filled with hate for each other, they'll always need leaders to tell them how to live and be. And anarchy wouldn't work.
If enough of The People are intelligent, well-informed, united, peaceful, and have a common goal of social harmony, they won't need to elect leaders to tell them how to live their lives. And democracy wouldn't work.
Anarchy cannot survive if its participants are morons. Democracy is easy to steer if it's participants are morons. The key here is that The People are morons.
This effect can be quickly traced to our education system among other things.
Since there's no easy money in not being a leader, you need to dumb the people down to keep your position of power. And you can do that by federally regulating curriculums to destroy creativity and free thinking, driving the price of college and textbooks through the roof, focusing on sports instead of learning, making people emulate Kim Kardashian instead of scientists, and keeping everyone constantly fighting over who's better : red or blue.
I like to think Ben Franklin was smart enough to hope for a future of peace, growth, and intelligence instead of stealing from the poor to feed the rich.
But he also though it was a good idea to own people. Plus he's dead. So fuck him
n/a Alex_Jewns 2017-03-02
Read some Hans-Hermann Hoppe. He has some good books on anarcho capitalism.
n/a gabe_athouse69 2017-03-02
Think of the Native Americans long before us
n/a dandroid1_0 2017-03-02
They were constantly warring with each other.
n/a TomSwirly 2017-03-02
Native Americans had a variety of social systems, and many of them had strict hierarchical structures with strong rulers and various arbitrary rules, though many of them did have systems similar to what we think of as anarchy.
n/a Sheeple_Shepherd 2017-03-02
^ This exactly.
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
Your ideology is an absolute insult to Franklin and the founding fathers. They created a government FOR THE PEOPLE, to oppose the feudalist European banking and monarchy elite.
They created a government meant to check the power of those who seek to dominate the people (monolithic corporations and banks).
Now that those monolithic powers have completely corrupted the government to their whim, your solution is to dissolve the government and give them complete power?
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
Correct, but "them" is US the PEOPLE. Self rule. You know, actual freedom. Also, many of the founding fathers were corrupt elitists who infiltrated. So...
n/a ericN 2017-03-02
This is a vast oversimplification of the problem.
The real problem is desire for hegemony combined with a lack of ethics and creativity.
A government will always need to exist in some form. Heck, it can even be a corporatocracy (as it is now) as long as it's managed effectively.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
Why do we need government? Government creates ALL the problems. If you give people people then they will, one way or another, find ways to abuse it. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
All governments are corrupt because the fact is that there is no man that exists that is resistant to temptation. I mean our constitution promoted small government and look at it now - it's grown massively.
Greed is a natural human trait. So if you give people the power to accelerate their wealth, they will take it. No man is never not greedy. We always want more. It's natural. Government allows people to steal off others.
Anarchy is the only solution.
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n/a matthewfoos15 2017-03-02
Goverment's are not corrupt. PEOPLE are corrupt. What the world needs is awakened souls actually working for the betterment of man kind.
Right now we have people that want money and power running things.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
Agree.
Who runs the government? People run it.
And do you believe there are people out there that are not tempted by greed, money or fame? Or do you think that it is a natural thing to be greedy, to want to be rich and famous?
The famous Q: Would you let someone sleep with your wife for 1 billion dollars? Who wouldn't take that offer?
n/a matthewfoos15 2017-03-02
If my "Wife" wanted to sleep with someone for a billion dollars, of course I would take it.... WHY??
Because we are a society/people run by greed.
I'm not saying I'm perfect, I'm just saying that we need people that aren't modivated by greed to start running thigns.
I too am not looking forward to a post-apocalyptic world. I like the Earth, and all her beauty. I also like people, most of the time.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
And do such people exist? You yourself have admitted you would take the offer. So even you, someone that is in the know of Government corruption, would be tempted by greed. There's no shame in that.
Now can you see why elected politicians would do the same? Here, vote for a big subsidy to our oil company, we will give you 2 million dollars. How many people do you think would reject that?
n/a ericN 2017-03-02
Sounds like you are also against capitalism, even currency. Sorry, I prefer societies that aren't post-apocalyptic.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
No, Capitalism works great. And do I really need to expose the central bank and the Fed?
n/a ericN 2017-03-02
Ok, so no central bank then and no government? Not sure how you'd control money supply.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
1) First and foremost, are you willing to put a gun to someone's head and tell them what they can and cannot use for money? Even if you find none of the arguments you're presented with convincing, and think the economy couldn't possibly function without government controlled money, if you're advocating government control, you're advocating the gun to the head.
2) I see little evidence that government or quasi-government controlled money does much to keep currency stable in the real world. Inflation happens all the time (compare today's US dollar prices to those of 10 years ago), and massive inflation happens fairly often (Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe for example).
3) It is possible to m1ention the government backing currency via the gold standard. There is no reason a private entity couldn't do the same. If you feel that a currency backed by gold (or silver, or tulips) is the one for you, you would almost certainly be able to find one.
4) There is no particular reason a useable unbacked currency needs to be controlled by govt, either (Useable being the operative word. Government could theoretically force a currency nobody trusted via the gun to the head, but I don't know that I'd qualify that as "usable"). The only backing that the US dollar has that bitcoin does not is government force, which does not come into play all that often.
5) There's no reason an entity like the Fed couldn't exist in Ancapistan without government backing. A privately "managed" currency would almost certainly be more stable than central bank currencies, too, since the goal would be to actually keep the currency stable, not fund the government.
I saved this answer from someone a long time ago. It's not mine but it does a good job explaining it.
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
You live in a country where a select few oligopolies own nearly all the marketshare in major industries: oil, banking, media, mining, telecom, pharmaceutical. It's actually even more centralized than that, because all of the controlling shares of those giants are owned by a select few financial corporations.
They use lobbying to give themselves massive subsidies, they ghostwrite bills that create a high barrier to entry for new startups. So much for the "free market." You probably pay more tax than multibillion dollar outfits like Exxon or GE, or people like Warren Buffet who can exploit tax loopholes. So, now the entirety of the tax burden falls on the lower rungs of society who don't have the money to avoid it.
The most sinister part is: they convince gullible idiots that the government is to blame, the only force that is actually capable of regulating them and reigning in their monopolies. I'm sure you're just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire or billionaire though, don't worry I'm sure you'll get there soon (even though the vast majority of them inherited their wealth and have no concept of hard work).
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
Because of the goverment empowering them.
We don't have a true free market and taxation is theft. The reason the rich get away with it is because government allows them too. When you realise that the rich can just hide money in tax havens then you realise that taxation for funding social programs is worthless. So you have 2 options:
A) Tax everyone properly. Doesn't happen because of corruption.
B) Cut all taxes and all social programs. Never been tried before.
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
Are you dense, or what?
This is a chicken and egg situation. The government is supposed to enact Anti-Trust laws and split these corporations up, they don't because the politicians are BOUGHT BY THE CORPORATIONS. The problem is that the government is susceptible to bribery and corporate influence, the solution is to strengthen the government by disallowing PACs, lobbying, and campaign contributions.
Like, take a fucking look at history. The destruction of the middle class in America starting in the 70s was a direct result of deregulation, union killing, massively reducing corporate taxes, and opening the government to PAC and lobbying influence. The solution is to reverse this dismantling, not complete it.
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
When you're this far down the communist track, I cannot help you. I advise you to listen to Stefan Molyneux. Here's a good starting point: https://youtu.be/Er7mlzWbsoE
Good luck!
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
I've listened to Molyneux and came to the conclusion that he was retarded, sorry.
Let's continue selling drugs like Vioxx that has killed 100,000 people and thalidomide that causes babies to be born without limbs. Lets continue using benzene to clean oil refineries despite the fact that it literally kills people, who cares, it's a good cleaner. Let's continue to allow Monsanto to dump their toxic waste in the rivers we drink out of. While we're at it, let's get rid of all the laws saying we have to bury radioactive waste underground. Just keep it out in the open, we won't have a government so nobody can prove that it's killing people! Fuck weekends, fuck worker's rights, fuck pensions. Fuck schools too! You want an education? Better be rich, fucker. I heard this medication is needed to save people's lives, let's jack up the price 10,000%, only the rich will survive! Nobody can tell us otherwise.
Man, sign me up for this utopia you got going, I can't wait to die!
n/a TomSwirly 2017-03-02
And yet all the places you'd want to live - places with high measures of human happiness, long life expectancies, affluent and educated populations - all these places have big government.
Conversely, all the places with little or no government - places like Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Congo - are shitholes where people live short, miserable lives in poverty.
How does your theory explain this?
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
All those places you mention are war torn regions helped by the NWO. Saudi Arabia is bombing Yemen with US bombs. They have no government because of a war being backed by the US. Somalia turned into that because of a brutal civil war as a result of Socialism. Somalia was a 1 party Marxist State for 25+ years yet this is no Government to blame?
Nope, I would love to live in Switzerland or Lichenstein. Both have smaller governments. Switzerland government spending is the least in Western Europe and they have the 3rd highest GDP per capita in Europe. Lichenstein even allows secession to be legal.
Why don't you mention big government China and North Korea?
n/a Aders83 2017-03-02
What are the measurements of happiness? Quality of life, lack of disease, being provided for? The socialist utopias like the Netherlands rank high on quality of life... but they're tied to the government plantation as much as any slave to his owner.
n/a m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2017-03-02
Spittin troof putie
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
Wrong. The problem is banks and corporations have bought the government. The government now acts in the interests of the corporate elite, whose ambitions are diametrically opposed to the common good of the people. The government and unions are actually our only safeguard against the corporate elite. It is just extremely hard to get government officials that can't be swayed by cash.
Money rules in this world, and corporations and banks have all of it. The government doesn't have money, it is massively, massively indebted to the corporations and banks that own it.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
...sooo, how about we don't have a government? No government == no one for cronies to buy...
The rest of what you said is just Statist drivel which is bascially Stockholm Syndrome.
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n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
Keep licking your captor's boot. Remember:
War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
Lol, my captors? I've broken multiple bones, had to have my neck braced for weeks, had my eye stitched shut. I never paid a single cent for any of it. Captors? More like saviours.
I got grants to help start my business and was able to negate a good portion of school costs. My parents got their degrees in Europe and didn't pay a damn cent for them. I pay nearly fuck-all for electricity because the Gov't subsidizes most of it. Unfortunately my phone bill is still sky high because of the power of the telecom oligopoly here, if I lived in another province I could have gone with the government telecom which is about 1/3 the price.
I make a good enough living and pay my employees well because they work hard and I'm not an actual piece of shit.
Enjoy your "freedom" to not ever get sick, break a bone, or get an education without being a debt slave for the rest of your life. Actually, why don't you go somewhere even less regulated so you can have the freedom to die because your drinking water is full of mercury from the coal plant downstream (not actually suggesting this don't ban me mods).
n/a caitdrum 2017-03-02
Oh, and I pay less tax than I would if I lived in the States. We just put our taxes towards stuff other than giving defense contractors free money and corporate welfare. Oh and bank bailouts, half of Bush's, Obama's and now Trump's cabinet are from Goldman, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
n/a IntellisaurDinoAlien 2017-03-02
Second warning rule 10.
n/a James_Alefantis69 2017-03-02
What about infrastructure? Dont we need taxes in order to pay for our roads, our childrens education, the police, etc. I think some taxes are unnecessary but what would we do without an infrastructure fund? Care to enlighten me?
n/a outtanutmeds 2017-03-02
Americans have no clue that FDR gave the Federal Reserve System in 1933 the power(by executive order) to impose "forced labor" on American Gentiles when the federal government can no longer pay on the national debt.
Everybody should read this:
http://www.afn.org/~govern/bankruptcy.html
n/a TomSwirly 2017-03-02
I read the original link, and it says nothing at all about "gentiles".
n/a outtanutmeds 2017-03-02
Are you "thick"?
n/a butWhoWasBee 2017-03-02
Where did gentiles come from?
n/a TheIncredibleJake 2017-03-02
So what the fuck we gonna do about this because I'm pretty fucking tired of it
n/a giovyy 2017-03-02
well aslong the other 90% of the world are still brainwashed and look through their rose colored glasses we cant do shit about it :p
n/a polisgay 2017-03-02
This will involve some sacrifice, but buy some land and a house and pay it off as a wage slave but don't force your kids to move out at 18. They can build a house on your property, one proportionate to family size slowly over time. Having no mortgage will free your children and if you instill the importance of this concept, it will free a few generations. The mortgage is the biggest thing kill us as a people and it's insane that we don't let kids live with us forever.
n/a Rosssauced 2017-03-02
The second law breaks down we fight back. We ignore the anarchy around us and become akin to the Mossad during operation wrath of god surgically striking individuals wherever they are. Those responsible must pay with their lives and even then that is not enough.
Ensure that you and yours are properly armed, trained, and otherwise prepared. We may not ever have the chance to use it but if we do we will be glad we were ready.
n/a Sendmyabar 2017-03-02
When there is only a small amount of people exploiting the majority the historically effective way to deal with it is to murder those few. But people these days have been brainwashed into thinking that the only way we can get this done is by holding hands and asking nicely, or trying to use a system put in place by these people for the purpose of keeping them there.
n/a sugarleaf 2017-03-02
[The Forth Turning][http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/welcome-next-awakening-author-steve-bannons-worldview-explains-path-ahead]
n/a Groomper 2017-03-02
In what conceivable way is this true?
n/a Nutricidal 2017-03-02
Their agenda should be Truth. It's not. It's laughable to suggest otherwise. There was a great episode on Tucker concerning this. The guest confessed, they lost their way. Great interview. I'll repost it if I find it.
n/a brildenlanch 2017-03-02
Are you kidding? Aside from the de-whiting of US history there's also the forced safe spaces and SJW seminars. Why do you think Trump won? People are sick of it.
n/a We_need-to_talk 2017-03-02
Liberal arts degrees. People come out brainwashed about how society works, deeply in debt, and unemployable.
Very few people get degrees in physics or whatever might teach actual knowledge.
n/a Groomper 2017-03-02
I get it. Appreantly STEM is the only TRUE knowledge...
n/a Theled88 2017-03-02
But how do we take it back?
n/a Bacore 2017-03-02
End the Fed... .
n/a rebuilt11 2017-03-02
this is the real conspiracy all other conspiracy go to cover this one up and keep it going. its all about money. its all about class warfare and we are losing.
n/a ibitetrees 2017-03-02
Can't afford to jail pedophiles but don't worry guys there's plenty of money to lock up those weed smoking crooks!
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-03-02
The people voluntarily pay directly for such things to private companies and contractors. You already do that, it's just you're forced to now and the gov takes their cut and then pays the private sector to do it (government doesn't do shit). Why do we need the government as a shady middle man who waste, steal, and cause needless wars?
n/a -INFOWARS- 2017-03-02
Because of the goverment empowering them.
We don't have a true free market and taxation is theft. The reason the rich get away with it is because government allows them too. When you realise that the rich can just hide money in tax havens then you realise that taxation for funding social programs is worthless. So you have 2 options:
A) Tax everyone properly. Doesn't happen because of corruption.
B) Cut all taxes and all social programs. Never been tried before.