Step Down Mods

22  2017-03-03 by Objectively_Stated

Moderators of /r/conspiracy, it's time for you to go. You are no longer allowing free and open discussion of any and all conspiracies to take place here, and your Trump-Russia bias is clear. This isn't /r/t_d2.0, it's not /r/nothingbutpizzagate, and it's not a place for Ann fucking Coulter to spread her bullshit propaganda while you flat out delete a post about Jeff Sessions with 418 points and 683 comments with no reason or explanation.

Fellow conspiracy theorists, I hope you'll join me in boycotting this sub until these compromised mods are replaced. This is no longer a place for free speech and free thought, this is now a Trump propaganda sub.

78 comments

Trump isn't even a 9/11 truther. Are you sure we actually like him?

I don't think the average pre-election /r/conspiracy user likes him at all, but I also think this sub has been overran but Trump supporters and the mods have been compromised.

You're trying to turn this place into the Donald 2.0 with all the trump bs and sessions worship. You guys have already pledged allegiance to your royal leader, and the rest of us are still skeptical.

quit bitching and combat them. You have like the 700th post saying something like this.

lol this thread again. welcome to the community brother, stick around, I'm sure you'll get a better feel for this place with time. This is the best sub on reddit, so again, welcome

Been here for a while now, and it's nothing close to what it used to be and a far cry from the best sub on Reddit.

It is the best sub in reddit, perhaps if you posted your favorite conspiracy you would get the attention you seem to be longing for. What is your all time favorite conspiracy my brother?

As long as this sub is censored by the mods, it doesn't matter what my favorite conspiracy is or what my signal is. There can be no truth found without free thought and free speech, and we have neither in this sub.

So what's your favorite conspiracy?

Obviously the one he can't talk about.

That's why he's not talking about it.

Fuck, that one is the worst.

Can't stop the signal, man. I know it, you know it, we all know it. So what's your signal? Tell the world what makes a living flame out of you and help us all to break your chains.

ah so youre just the neighborhood gatekeeper. i was a lil puzzled until you mentioned this thread and now i see you do this to spread that everyone who questions whats happening in this sub is a shill.

in fact, it seems odd that youve just started this gatekeeping behavior in the last few months. coincidence? probably not.

Wouldn't free speech include (your perceived) propaganda?

There is a flip side to this sub, a polar opposite agenda to what you are accusing the mods of propagating. Yet there is no call to ban the mods for letting the r/politics cess run through this place.

Wouldn't free speech include (your perceived) propaganda?

Why yes, it would. That's why we post things, analyze, discuss. However, there can be no open discussion with mods that actively censor this sub.

Looks like some feathers were ruffled already. Here's a delightful message from /u/SelfreferentialUser:

your Trump-Russia bias is clear.

CRY SOME MORE, YOU COCKSUCKING RETARD.

This isn’t /r/t_d2.0

BOO FUCKING HOO.

it’s not /r/nothingbutpizzagate

WAAAAAA MOMMY I DON’T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN BEING RAPED

and it’s not a place for Ann fucking Coulter to spread her bullshit propaganda

WAAAAAAAAAA SHE’S WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO NO I DON’T HAVE TO PROVE IT SHE’S JUST WRONG BECAUSE MY FEELINGS GOT HURRRRRRRRRT

while you flat out delete a post about Jeff Sessions

CRY. SOME. MORE.

with no reason or explanation.

It’s a hoax, you fucking dipshit.

Fellow conspiracy theorists

You’re a liberal piece of shit who wouldn’t know objective truth if it hung him from a lamppost.

AND IT WILL.

I hope you’ll join me in boycotting this sub

Goodbye, bitch. Let the door hit you on the way out.

Yea ok you're clearly shilling or trolling at this point to make us look crazy...good day buddy

Well no, that's an actual message I just received from the aforementioned user. It's now shilling or trolling to copy and paste the exact message?

Post a screen shot. And even the , whose to say that's not an alt account of yours?

Doesn't matter nobody's reading this shit post anyway lol...

Here you go, good enough? And judging by the number of comments in less than 20 minutes, I'd say a decent amount of people are reading this shit post.

They have a crass way of saying things, but I have to agree with selfreferentailuser.

i've gotten PMs from banned users in the past. they can't comment on the article because they're banned so they send abuse to the poster's inbox

It's a very odd account, zero activity for 11 months yet randomly messages me in all caps.

The mods will not look kindly on your language, just a heads up man.

That's fine, I'll be unsubbing at the end of today anyway. Just hoping to spread some awareness about the state of this sub to anyone that hasn't seen it yet.

lol 'at the end of the day'. it's just a fucking button, click it

kbye

thanks! Please don't steal anything the way out.

Please read the rules on the sidebar and be aware that this is your only warning for rule 10. Next time you attack another user like this you will be permanently banned.

he was quoting someone who was attacking him in a PM....

And your point? Personal attacks don't fly here under any circumstances.

of course, that's the best thing about this sub. but your comment said he was attacking another user when he wasn't, it was him being attacked in this case

Nothing in those messages is an attack, whereas OP is calling the other dude a cocksucking retard, fucking dipshit, and a bitch - among other things. I don't know why you're trying to defend OP here but he was being an asshole and that type of childish behavior isn't tolerated on this sub. It isn't really too complicated.

wait that's not right -- the quoted lines in that comment are from OP's original post. the attacker was quoting OP's post and then writing the lines abuse after each thing OP had said

Hmm, true. OP is just shit-stirring regardless though in my opinion so he doesn't get much sympathy from me unfortunately. He was fishing for a negative reaction with this post and I guess he got one.

i totally agree OP was needling people and shit stirring. if the attacking message hadn't come from a banned user i might've just let it go. but if a user is banned from here it's probably for good reason, so it bothered me that banned users can still abuse members from 'beyond the grave', so to speak.

anyway, thanks for being chill about me whining about all this haha

All good man, my bad for misunderstanding. Enjoy your weekend.

so attacks on users are absolutely not allowed until the personal attack is against someone you disagree with, got it

The user PMing him was banned from this sub months ago. So what is your point? The rules apply to everyone. Nice strawman though.

OP is just shit-stirring regardless though in my opinion so he doesn't get much sympathy from me unfortunately. He was fishing for a negative reaction with this post and I guess he got one.

You clearly don't care about personal attacks if you disagree with the person being attacked. The fact that the user is already banned is just convenient. Not a strawman, youre just a crap mod

Thanks for your opinion dude. I'll try not to lose sleep over it tonight. Take it easy.

so he doesn't get much sympathy from me unfortunately.

Interesting... you've kind of proved his point. You're essentially admitting to selective enforcement of the rules.

Not at all, because the user he was getting PMs from was banned months ago for making similar comments to others. As I just said to someone else in this thread.

Yes, but your reaction when you thought OP was saying those things was very different from your reaction when you found out you were mistaken.

First you threatened him, then you said he "gets no sympathy".

Why have you not removed your comments in which you threaten OP for something he didn't do?

His getting no sympathy doesn't mean I have a problem banning the other user for breaking the rules. My personal opinions are separate from my modding duties. What is your point?

Why have you not removed your comments in which you threaten OP for something he didn't do?

For posterity. I'll add an edit though just for you.

My personal opinions are separate from my modding duties.

It sure didn't seem that way. In fact it seems you were hunting for an excuse, and when you thought you found one...

I'll add an edit though just for you.

Just for me? Not because you think it would be the right thing to do, but just because I asked?

I'm not concerned with what your interpretation of my words is to be frank. I know what I meant, I just explained to you what I meant, and beyond that you're free to think whatever you'd like. The fact that the other user was banned a year ago should tell you that personal opinions have no bearing on the way the sub is modded. If the bias you're implying existed then that user would have been free to say whatever he wanted to say to the OP and nothing would have been done. But that isn't what happened, so again not sure what your overall point is.

To repeat myself: just because I think someone is a troll or don't personally like what they bring to the sub, that doesn't mean I'll allow them to be attacked by other users even if I agree with those other users.

Not because you think it would be the right thing to do, but just because I asked?

Yep, I was leaving the comment for posterity. I made the edit because you asked me to. Like I said.

If the bias you're implying existed then that user would have been free to say whatever he wanted to say to the OP and nothing would have been done.

I am not implying bias. I simply pointed out the very different way you reacted when you thought OP was being abusive, to when you found out the abuse was being aimed at OP.

I agree that your bias (if there is one) did not actually result in you banning OP or deleting this thread, but I felt that the way you had left it gave the perception of bias.

I simply pointed out that a correction of your initial erroneous reaction was called for - and you seem to have agreed.

I made the edit because you asked me to.

But not because you were mistaken, and correcting your error is the right thing to do?

I simply pointed out the very different way you reacted when you thought OP was being abusive, to when you found out the abuse was being aimed at OP.

Because I think, personally, the OP is a shit-stirring troll. I've explained this now like four times. I'm a human being, I have opinions and biases, it would be stupid to deny that and I admit to it readily. Sometimes I ban users even though I totally agree with them. Sometimes I protect users who I totally dislike. Again I ask: what is your point? I feel like I'm just repeating myself and you're arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't like that I "changed my tone" once I realized OP wasn't the one attacking. Okay, I did. And?

But not because you were mistaken, and correcting your error is the right thing to do?

Is this really the best use of both our time today? Me fucking up when reading through a comment? If you scroll down in the thread it's readily apparent that I fucked up, I admit I fucked up, and now I've even edited my initial comment saying I fucked up. If you have another question or concern by all means ask away but as of now this is quickly becoming a waste of both our time.

i don't think the problem is that there are political posts, the problem is that there are political posts that have zero to do with any conspiracy. for example: earlier this week people (or maybe 1 person) were posting political articles that were so irrelevant to any conspiracies that i would've sworn they were posted here by pure accident if it wasn't such a habitual thing

And posts like that are left alone while the Jeff Sessions post I mentioned is erased without explanation. You're exactly right, this sub is nothing more than propaganda now.

You said it best it's become the_donald 2.0 all the banned Donald users have flocked over here

here is one example that i could remember from this week: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5wwyuy/a_transgender_boy_just_won_the_texas_girls_state/

couldn't find the conspiracy here with a flashlight and a map

The pushing of a transgender agenda to normalize the breakdown of sexual norms. If you don't think the US government is on board with the breakdown and corruption of the culture, you haven't been paying attention.

That being said, standard political posts don't belong here, be they from the Left or Right.

But that was not what the post was about.

Then the OP is at fault for not including the reason as to WHY it fits in /r/conspiracy, but I would say that it definitely does belong. I suppose it just needs some explanation.

If we were really the censors you accuse us of being, this post would have been deleted and you would have been banned.

Instead I'm going to let you continue embarrassing yourself as freely as you'd like to.

Except you were just caught blatantly censoring yesterday and it's in your best interest to not do it again so soon. Don't act like we all don't know what's going on in this sub, it's painfully obvious.

Haha okay brother. Flail away.

Flail away? Then explain why was the post deleted.

It isn't deleted. Another mod removed it under rule 10 and it was re-approved within 2 minutes.

Rule 10 - "Posts that attack this sub, users or mods thereof, will be removed. Accusing another user of being a troll or shill can be viewed as an attack, depending on context. First violations will usually result in a warning but bans are at the mods' discretion."

It was literally the title "Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose" and no text. I would like to know what part of that broke Rule 10 according the mod. If he has no explanation, they shouldn't be mod

Also, if it was re-approved, why doesn't it show up in the post histoy, or the top posts of this week?

I thought you were talking about this post. I have no idea why the other one was removed, I wasn't the one who did that. Who said it was removed for rule 10 though? I think you just made that part up.

This (current) post is in reference to that post "Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose". It was linked in the text of this (current) post.

It is still at +423, and was deleted at approx. +700. So what's the story, you obviously have a way to see why posts were deleted.

Nope, I just see that it was removed and which mod removed it. If that mod doesn't give a reason on the post itself then there's no way for me to know.

Could you please ask?

So what's the deal?

Yeah, screw you mods for working so hard to make this one of the last places not completely infested with paid propaganda!

We haz need for more safe spaces! Just downvote what you don't like and stop being such a cause fag.

HAHAHA TOU DUMB FUCKS! This isn't the mods, this IS THE COMMUNITY, standing up to the ShareBlue propaganda that's been blasted on Reddit for the past year. We aren't going to go quite so keep it up. Step your troll game up because your propaganda tactics aren't working here bud.

I love you crybaby motherfuckers with no history in this sub who like to come in here and concern troll because you don't like the flavor of the binky.

We got one of the best mod teams on reddit who deal with the most controversial subjects and inflamed opinions on the planet. Go back to /r/politics.

LMFTFY: r/propaganda

Pardon me if I'm not overly trusting of users that showed up right around the time of the DNC leaks/election fiasco.

I got lazy and didn't look any farther back. Doesn't mean they weren't here prior.

You're lucky they're in place. I'd ban your ass just for making this ridiculous, no-content post and trying to sow discord.

Agreed on the bias.

I already did. ;)

he was quoting someone who was attacking him in a PM....

I'm not concerned with what your interpretation of my words is to be frank. I know what I meant, I just explained to you what I meant, and beyond that you're free to think whatever you'd like. The fact that the other user was banned a year ago should tell you that personal opinions have no bearing on the way the sub is modded. If the bias you're implying existed then that user would have been free to say whatever he wanted to say to the OP and nothing would have been done. But that isn't what happened, so again not sure what your overall point is.

To repeat myself: just because I think someone is a troll or don't personally like what they bring to the sub, that doesn't mean I'll allow them to be attacked by other users even if I agree with those other users.

Not because you think it would be the right thing to do, but just because I asked?

Yep, I was leaving the comment for posterity. I made the edit because you asked me to. Like I said.

You said it best it's become the_donald 2.0 all the banned Donald users have flocked over here