Trump and russia question
1 2017-03-04 by OhtomoJin
I always see claims that russia has rigged our election in favor of trump but how exactly did they do this? falsified votes? my question is what did russia do that is clearly rigging in favor of trump. I acknowledge that they tried to spread disinfo but i do not think that counts as russia rigging our election. please inform me.
Edit: russians hacking dnc emails doesn't qualify as rigging imo so please offer alternative answer besides that
27 comments
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-04
Hacking electronic voting machines.
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
evidence of these claims?
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-04
Wtf? Do u think I work for the government? You ask how I told you how they said they rigged the election. Idk I read it.
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-04
I'm not even sure the MSM ever claimed that so we're interested in seeing a link to something.
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
well i was kind of hopping someone aligned with the narrative would provide some evidence to back up their claims and i thought maybe you would be that person but your statement doesn't express your side so i kinda just assumed, im sorry :(
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-04
You also assumed in against you for some reason. I just tried to answer your question from what I have read. I read the other day they wanted to go back to paper voting because of this. So I assumed what I said. Heres CNNs take:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
yeah thats what i said i mistook your stance for being in support of those claims when you were just informing me of what they were. wow that would be super time consuming to use paper voting though
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-04
Right on man.
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-04
what is the source of that claim?
n/a callmebaiken 2017-03-04
So far the charge is that they hacked the DNC and John Podesta and leaked the emails to Wikileaks. I don't think the wikileaks releases had any real impact on voters however.
BUT
There's another theory that's quite clever that is the investigative worth of Louise Mensch and goes like this:
When Weiner was busted for sexting a fifteen year old girl, he said publicly but later keep quiet about it, that he thought it was a "catfish" deal, where someone pretends to be someone young and attractive and communicates with a target over the internet, but the person is a fake creation of a duper.
However there is an actual fifteen year old girl in North Carolinawho went to the police and is currently involved in the investigation as the victim. But her father has some shady connections to cyber hackers in North Carolina, who themselves were busted for stealing former CIA head John Brennan's personal emails and giving them to wikileaks!
When the N.Y. FBI confiscated the laptop Weiner had used to send the fifteen year old lewd messages, they of course also found a folder with Hillary Clinton emails. But it turns out they were duplicates that had already been made pubic by the FBI. It was assumed that Huma must have been responsible for then getting there, buy she said she never used that laptop, which is believable! But she was so embarrassed by yet another scandal and divorced Weiner immediately, so that pubic statement too got lost on the shuffle.
So here's the theory: hackers (Russian?) Catfish Weiner, remotely plant the batch of duplicate emails on the laptop during the communicating, bust him to the FBI, knowing they'll find the emails and it'll blow up the at the time closed Hillary private email server investigation. And of course, that's just what happened. And whereas the wikileaks stuff DIDN'T really swing the election, the Comey letter really DID!
I'm a Trump supporter, so I kind of how it isn't true, but am open to it. Even if he did conspire to steal the election Good Bless him I say
n/a VirulentThoughts 2017-03-04
Link to Louise Mensch's blog
Relevant:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/16/louise-mensch-rupert-murdoch-news-corp-heat-street
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
russians hacking dnc emails doesn't qualify as rigging the election, i do think it had influence on the vote but its reaching to call that rigging the election.
n/a VirulentThoughts 2017-03-04
Is planting information on the computers of campaign supporters that gets them arrested "hacking the elecetions"?
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
who planted what on who that led to them being arrested? and please provide evidence if you can (i dont know what you are referring to exactly, i figure its the weiner emails but im not 100% informed on the issue.)
n/a VirulentThoughts 2017-03-04
Read the blog OP referenced and I linked. I'm arguing within that context.
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
i read it, interesting view of the events and could have actually happened. going to have to wait to see how these things play out, the writer claimed there was evidence of these events but if so why has no one been held responsible? regardless only time will tell
n/a VirulentThoughts 2017-03-04
If there is an ongoing investigation, tipping the hand before a case is built for prosecution will give the principles time to cover their asses.
Watergate was first reported in February of 73 and approval to begin impeachment didn't come until '74, so I don't expect things to happen overnight.
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
yeah obviously these things take time, meant more like i will be keeping an eye out for any further info on the case
n/a Edogawa1983 2017-03-04
I think interference is the word most people used..
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
well for me most of the people i had seen used the term "rigged"
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-04
Literally the only thing it comes down to in that narrative is "the Russians hacked their emails and showed everyone what utter, despicable crap we're in to"
Even if you want to believe that Russia did that (and Wikileaks has pointedly said it was not a Russian) then Russia did us a favour the US government couldn't see fit to do.
and don't even get me started on that dossier..
n/a -Teekey- 2017-03-04
So do you feel there should be an independent investigation on possible Trump Administration ties to Russia, in the interest of transparency?
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-04
Sure, as long as we're adding Pelosi, McCain and Hillary to that investigation. I mean if we're going to investigate ties to Russia with zero supporting evidence in the interest of transparency, lets get all this other shit transparent already.
n/a bobluvsbananas 2017-03-04
They didn't rig anything, this is the media taking the disinformation stuff and saying that that is Russia 'hacking' our elections. Basically the only real disinformation is from our own media. Russia's involvement is questionable on all levels actually, the DNC leaks most likely had nothing to do with Russia and came from an inside source. Podesta is an idiot who used an extremely weak password which lead to his emails becoming compromised. It all boils down to insiders leaking, and Podesta being stupid and the media perpetuating the Russian hacking myth to attempt to sway people into believing the election process was sullied by an outside source and that Trump is illegitimate. Even Obama himself claimed our elections were safe from hacking.
n/a GuruOfGravitas 2017-03-04
The email dump so close to the election probably did make a difference, but the Comey Weiner email bs did the real damage.
n/a 120z8t 2017-03-04
Have you really? I have not seen one person claim that Russia rigged the election. The claiming being made is that Russia influenced the elections through the use of online trolls and propaganda and that there were illegals deals made between Russia and Trumps people.
n/a OhtomoJin 2017-03-04
yeah thats what i mean i see so many people in comments and what not making these claims so i thought i would ask for some evidence so i could draw a conclusion on this issue