Well, he campaigned on a platform of having closer relations with Russia.

That was Trump's platform, yes. So his opponents are proving that he meant what he said.

Communicating with Russia isn't bad. The MSM wants you to believe it's bad because the MSM hates Trump, along with a majority of the political establishment. They also know Hillary's sycophants are still in shock that their chosen one lost and will believe anything that goes along with the narrative that the election was "stolen" from her due to outside interference.

At this point they're doing everything possible to delegitimize Trump because there's a lot at stake, most notably the political order which people like Clinton have benefited from. The Democratic Party is also in shambles so this is also a way to save face for the time being.

It's sad because there are good people who are just reacting to the surface noise of all of this and actually believe what they're being told. Some are just outright dishonest and are playing hardball team politics.

A question no one seems to ask is, how does Russia benefit from a Trump Presidency? No one seems to have a coherent answer to this. Another key question to ask is what do certain people have to lose with a Trump presidency/friendly relations with Russia.

Hacked election is a very broad way of looking at it and the mechanics of that really haven't been analyzed to provide substantial proof it happened.

The truth is that Clinton was (is) a noticeably corrupt politician. Even if it was the Russians behind the leaks (which is certainly possible, but at this point not proven), she was exposed to a degree not seen in modern American politics. And that's really the heart of the outrage. Those screaming about Russia don't actually care that an election was potentially influenced; they care more that their candidate was exposed to the masses and an "evil billionaire" who was willing to fight back and rattle the cages wound up winning.

There was a lot of outrage and nonsense from the right when Obama won, but the key difference is the left has the MSM on their side. It's going to be much more difficult for Trump to fend them off.

I generally don't trust either side of the aisle, but I agree that the left is engaging in some dirty and potentially dangerous games right now.

The way msm talks about it makes it sounds like grounds for impeachment.

It's not. Lying to congress would be (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton). But in this case it's clear they didn't mean to deceive anyone (he was saying the whole time that he was down with closer relations with Russia).

Exactly. They have no true legal remedy, so the only solution at this point is a full court press on Trump to create public outrage and strong opposition.

Politics is a dirty game.

a full court press on Trump to create public outrage and strong opposition.

This would only work if the press had a higher approval rating than congress.

True but there are still true believers out there, and their voices are loud. I think most of America sees through the bullshit, but the left and MSM are in berserker mode right now.

"press" is a nonsense term like "congress"

"hurr durr Congress is less popular than cockroaches and hurricanes"...and then they have a 95% re-election rate.

Americans still have to get their news from somewhere. And in case you didn't notice, the biggest protest in American history happened the day after Trump was elected, so it's not like everyone likes this guy and only the media hate him

The problem is the media isn't just reporting news, they're creating narratives. It makes it increasingly difficult to know if the outrage is legitimate, or if the people who hate him do so because of what they're being fed. I'm not suggesting some haven't done their research and simply just disagree with his positions, but taking into account how much the media carried the bag for Clinton and ignored certain things, it makes one question whether it's actual news being reported or a concerted effort to legitimize one while delegitimizing the other. The outlets being criticized can report what they want and how they want, but people can reject that, too.

the biggest protest in American history happened the day after Trump was elected

Actually it was when George W. Bush decided unilaterally to bomb Iraq.

http://world.time.com/2013/02/15/viewpoint-why-was-the-biggest-protest-in-world-history-ignored/

AMERICAN history

please read before commenting

Womans march had 500k in Washington, Million man march had a million.

That is what I think. That relationships between our leaders and a power like Russia, who has many enemies in common with us, is just ridiculous. I was really looking forward to better relations with Iran as a side effect of this as well. I think Russia and Iran are really interesting countries, and they would be great friends to have with conflict against Saudi Arabia and Israel.

That is what this whole thing is about imho. Saudi and Israel own our shadow government. Russian and Iran are antithetic to Israel's agenda.

Why is that a bad thing? Russia is a global powerhouse. Wouldn't it be a good idea to try to keep on good terms with them?

No. Russia has been undermining democracy before. They did it with Aldrich Ames, they did it with Robert Hannssen. It's not new that russia would put moles into our government.

Remmeber that putin is an old 70s KGB guy. Do you really think he all of a sudden changed his views on America?

Russia is not a "global powerhouse".

Why would we be on good terms with a country run by a guy like Putin?

Russia is not a global powerhouse as much as Putin wants it to be. Sorry if they bums you out or something. Russia is for all intents and purposes a giant gas station.

HRC was paid big money to start a war US/Russian war... now that she's not in the driver's seat she's gonna keep trying for it instead of just giving all that money back.

This is correct!

I don't think its a war with Russia they're after. It's the war in Syria and other small nations that Russia is preventing them from having. Hillary and her partners in crime have a lot of money and resources invested and billions in profit at stake.

Trump wasn't supposed to win... so all this Russia talk was supposed to be to swing public opinion against them... Putin already said he knows he is trying to be provoked when they killed that Russian ambassador to Turkey... but I don't think that is the goal... they had to switch gears on the fly and instead used that propaganda to delegitimize Trump... just like they had to switch gear with the bought and paid for "antifa" guys... those were supposed to be playing the role of angry Trump supporters rioting after the elections... thats why it makes no sense to have happy tolerant liberals in masks smashing windows.

All a scheme to turn public opinion against Russia, damage relations, and delegitimize the GOP... maybe with a touch of martial law.

Exactly, they already had the momentum from the planned russian narrative they had executed to prepare us for a war with russia. They just improvised capturing that momentum to direct it towards Trump. That is why it comes across so unbelievable to people that don't have a dog in the fight, it wasn't built to the purpose and the pieces don't fit together very well.

Yeah... it just doesn't feel organic or well thought out... they had to takes the playbook and improvise... and they aren't very good at thinking on the fly.

I got the first inkling something was up when before the election they were pushing the Russian hacking narrative and announced they were gonna have US "white-hat" hackers shut down the internet and electricity in Russia for a week surrounding the election to make sure they didn't meddle... that's how you start a war.

These sort of sloppy tactics really remind me of the Clinton campaign. I can't remember specifically what made me think it, but it seemed like they were letting someone plan strategy in the media that was just inept. Maybe it is that AI that they are said to have been using? Maybe they are still listening to its obviously flawed decision making ability? All I know is it has felt like there was a new or amateur hand on the wheel since October at least.

They don't promote by merit, they promote by corruption and loyalty.

I agree, but this is a new level of incompetence I have not even seen before, even taking that into account.

The best-laid plans of mice and men... Go oft awry.

It would only be a big deal if there were some law being broken. Having ties to foreign countries is unfortunately the norm. If Trump had paid or coordinated with Russia (assuming they actually hacked the DNC/Podesta), then it would be an impeachable offense. Or if there were some sort of quid pro quo going on, such as Russia forgiving some of Trump's personal debts in exchange for lighter policies, then it would be impeachable too. But realistically, you'd think that people on Trump's team would've been smart enough to avoid these kinds of legal issues out of fear of eventually getting impeached or ending up in jail.

nah they're playing the "where there's smoke there's fire angle" and the more time spent on Russia the less time the Trump administration has to enact it's domestic agenda.

Not that they're completely unfounded. Sessions lied to congress because he's a dumb hick and Flynn was also retarded. These are unforced errors

Unforced errors is a great way to describe this.

Putin says stuff like "The New World Order has failed" so everyone in the /r/conspiracy realm considers him the enemy of our enemy. However politically, it is kryptonite because Putin is the ultimate enemy of the globalists right now. They are still trying to keep the illusion that he was in the wrong for Crimea alive.

Anyone who wants a multi-polar world is an ally in some aspects. Federalist blocs/ad-hoc agreements between nationalist countries are the future, not globalism and giving national rights away to un-elected global powers.

The Red Scare is far worse than it was before because previously the scare was manufactured by the NWO, now it is literal panic and ACTUAL Red Scare as Putin brings their dirty laundry into the open. They will hang it Putin wins. And it's not looking good for them.

Good break-down of things.

Yep. So much of it looks like Red Scare again. But, the russians ar not red anymore. And, in the meantime, arabs, Israel, and why not say, China, are doing their thing unobstructed.