So mods...

3  2017-03-10 by whyd_you_kill_doakes

Why was -ENOUGH-TRUMP-SPAM- banned? Mod logs say spamming but three posts hardly constitutes spamming when the user he argued with put up 50+ posts in a day and continues to post all day. Seems to me there is a conspiracy on this sub to silence anything thats negative about Trump. I was also temp banned a few weeks ago for saying "This sub is a Trump soapbox".

So whats up? Is this the real conspiracy? The sub I knew a few years ago would not have stood for this...

Edit: The irony of a comment being removed but still no word from the mods 13 hours later...

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They probably received a few reports from users. I may have hit the report button once or twice on them for spamming. I hang out in the new queue a lot.

For 3 posts? Meanwhile

"Two wrongs" is a horrible argument. Yeah that person is spamming.

Then why is that person also not banned and anyone else that posts more than 2 times in an hour?

Beats me.

I reported that guy more than once..

mod's not gonna do anything about it, and Bernie4ever either.

pretty sure both of them got more than 1 account spamming here too.

I've reported you a few times as well.

cool

Lol bring on the downvotes. Just wanted a public explanation from the mods for those of us that care about the partisanship in the sub

I'm not some expert Reddit guy and joined this sub within last week or 2 and I could tell within a few days how biased it really is.

I'm not some expert Reddit guy and joined this sub within last week or 2 and I could tell within a few days how biased it really is.

Compared to places like /r/politics or /r/worldnews, it's really not partisan.

You won't get banned for expressing something anti-Trump. You also (probably) won't get downvoted into oblivion.

To prove your hypothesis I implore you to post two different topics: one calling for hillary's arrest because of the emails or the Clinton foundation, and the other calling for an investigation into Trump's ties with Russia. I will put money on the trump post getting downvoted and struggling to stay above 0 while the hillary post gets at least 40-50 and possibly hits the front page

I have a better idea; a single post calling for both the imprisonment of Hillary and the impeachment and removal of Trump.

How would a single post do it? You want to compare two different ones to Guage the reaction of the sub. One post won't do that unless I'm missing something you're trying to imply

I would wager that the responses would be slightly in favor of the anti-Clinton ones, but the same two posts in r]politics would get you a massively skewed result in favor of the anti-Trump post. Bias is unavoidable, however less bias is always preferable to more bias.

You broke the rules when you said the sub was a Trump soapbox.

Since we are discussing why you were temp banned I think rule 2 doesn't apply to me here.

"Posts that attack this sub, users or mods"

Anything that starts with "this sub" and end with an intended derogatory statement should fit in to that rule.

How is "Trump soapbox" deragatory? Its a statement how Trump posts are encouraged and anti-trump posts are discouraged.

Im not reporting you for rule 2 or anyone else that wants to discuss my temp ban

It's "painting with a broad brush" and labeling the sub as something it's not. More than one user would consider it an attack including myself .. which I personally identify as an independent and rarely speak about Trump in a positive manner.

It it possible that your actions themselves attract those you disagree with? Are you trying to trigger Trump supporters?

You may not see it as that way, but I have seen it since pizzagate and T_D's boom.

Paging/u/SovereignMan, if you feel like explaining for the millionth time I'm sure, why did you step down as a mod here?

Shit happens man. People constantly flock to this sub because it doesn't censor opinion. It happened when the FPH shit went down too. Just because there's an influx of refugees from another sub doesn't change what this place is.

I mean, they removed the trump dossier post then put it back up but with the first ever flair in this sub. "Unverifiable". Funny thing is the dossier was by the same guy responsible for the fifa scandal, which this sub ate up.

Shortly thereafter, the second ever post was flaired in this sub....another trump scandal

They have flaired posts before.

My mistake. They've never flaired a post as unverifiable before. And it's not unverifiable considering the man that put it together is now out in the open again. It may be a while or never, but it's certainly not unverifiable.

And there are hundreds of "unverifiable" posts here daily so why did that one get flaired?

The contents of the leak haven't been fully vetted or proven true. That's unverifiable in my book.

Unverified sure. Unverifiable? No, far from it.

You know what's unverifiable? What happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars lost on 9/11 as, iirc, the records were destroyed when the Pentagon was hit. We will never know what that money was used for. That didn't stop posts claiming the money was used for various conspiratorial purposes and those posts were not flaired unverifiable either.

Wow. So you agree but disagree?

No. The dossier is not unverifiable. Unverifiable would mean that it cannot ever be proven true. That is not the case

Unverified would mean that it is currently unknown whether the content is true or false, but it doesn't shut the door on either possibility.

I wouldn't agree with flairing with either tag and I don't think any posts should be flaired with anything. It just appears to me as attempting manipulating a narrative.

You are just mincing words to suit your agenda.

Unverifiable has no indication of a time constraint nor does the definition say it's an indefinite state. It's a word to describe something at that moment with the information available.

I'm pretty sure this conversation has been worthless since you just plan on trying to force your opinion instead of actually having a conversation.

You are just being argumentative and I can understand why you would have issues with communicating with others.

"Not able to be verified" is the definition. The definition places the time constraint. I'm not mincing anything.

Where have I been argumentative? You've asked questions and I've answered. Since you don't like my answers I'm arguing? Mk

haven't been fully vetted or proven true

That might be relevant in r/news or such, but here it stank of a politically motivated move since this is not r/news.

4chan larp post are unverifiable but we get them all day without unverifiable tags.

There's a big difference between a source from 4chan and an MSM article.

Whats the difference?

why did you step down as a mod here?

Short answer: The final straws were mod team support of pizzagate spammers and "official" support (stickied) of a pizzagate post inciting harassment and violence.

Thanks man. Just wanted to show that I wasn't alone in my sentiment and that a former mod's belief would probably carry more weight to it than mine would.

Also, the mods, as a group, let some users get away with much more than others. Selective enforcement of the rules has become the standard here.

Idk the reason, but him throwing a fit about it won't help his situation.

Hes been banned and muted, he kinda cant even talk with the mods about it so if I were in his shoes, I'd be pretty ticked as well

I'd be irked too, but blowing stuff up without TRYING to lay low and ask for a reversal is kinda negative in my eyes.

That jumps from a bullshit temp ban to just a ban.

He can't ask for a reversal. He's muted.

Why was he muted?

Idk, I just glanced over the modlog

Yeah, people don't realize that these posts only hurt OP since they are being somewhat accusatory without giving the mods a chance to respond. It could also be considered inflammatory or an attack on a mod.

If people have grievances with a mod they should just message the mod mail in the queue first before going nuclear.

He was banned because all three of his posts were Trump russian ties rhetoric, as the other user you mention posts a lot but on a variety of different subjects.

My guess is that E-T-S posts mostly nothing but Russian ties thread and the mods finally got annoyed and did something about it.

Not saying I agree, that's just the way I see it.

shit fucking poster, just not stop political he said she said bullshit

I could say the same about a lot of users when it comes to pizzagate and the Clintons and Obama. Lelouch (again, no problem with them) posts pizzagate and pro Trump stuff all day yesterday but no ban? Doesn't seem fair

It amazes me people are still stuck on this bullshit pizzagate stuff. I joined this sub hoping for some real conspiracies smh

Oh I know. And you'll get torn to shreds if you tell them it's BS. 6 months in and they have 0 victims. Their code words, the thing that started the whole thing (along with spirit cooking) originated on 4chan.

Oh I know. And you'll get torn to shreds if you tell them it's BS. 6 months in and they have 0 victims. Their code words, the thing that started the whole thing (along with spirit cooking) originated on 4chan. But they won't tell you that, they'll tell you the code words came from the fbi.

Is that really how it started?

Yup. I've been following it since day 1.

Podesta emails released

Spirit cooking found

Code words released

Comet ping pong/Alefantis

Instagram pictures

Absorbed the Penn state, Catholic church, boystown scandals

Began taking credit for any future sex crime arrests

Today, after 6 months of "investigating" by pizzagaters: 0 victims, no semblance of a where or when podesta or Alefantis would have committed said crimes. That's why they claimed credit for the arrests and have to include previous scandals. They have nothing so in order to remain relevant they include other stuff

I'll put it like this. I was once banned for what I thought was the most ridiculous thing possible. A post of mine about the blockchain where I posted in a trollish way. Yes I did buy into the blockchain kool-aid and the post was trollish sure. But a comment from months ago?? I was muted and unable to comment on anything.

I even messaged modmail and got lost in the crowd. But instead of freaking out I just messaged modmail again and got it all straightened out. Mods are just regular people too and make mistakes. I guess that when mods get a reported comment that it doesn't provide as much context as it probably should.

But a post like this while some may see as a shitpost is important because challenging the "power structure" of even our little corner of reddit is important. But not going through the proper channels first will not help the cause at all.

Well it's a concern of mine with regards to the sub and I know there are others here who feel the same. I mean, I've been a regular commenter here for almost 5 years so you'd think I know what I'm talking about when I say the behavior of the sub has changed a lot from what it used to be.

Maybe mod mail should have been my first step and next time I'll take that into consideration, for sure. My post was pretty reactionary. But the visibility of the discussion is also important to me and I'm sure other users here as I know others share my concerns.

I think the change of the subs general feel is that there has been a steady increase of more and more new folks coming to the conspiracy side.(mwahaha). And although they don't see the value of well sourced posts and having a well informed userbase that does its own research. They are just beginning their quest for the truth. But I could just be talking out of my ass because I have only lurked here about 2 years.

I was banned once and one of the mods basically told me, I don't know what you were banned for.

Constant no-content anti-Trump spam.

slightly off topic, but since meta and to the mods:

why i have i lost the ability to upvote posts within a thread?

i can upvote OPs

i can comment

but nothing happens when i try to upvote reply posts.

makes me sad to not be able to spread the love =(

Change the np in the url to www... You got switched over to No Participation at some point.

Didn't you hear ? This is a snow globe for special snowflakes now. Call someone out on there bullshit that the mods approve of and you may get banned . Call someone out when you disagree because they don't have evidence you may get banned. Get pissed because someone talks shit to you , you may get banned. Call someone out for shit posting you guessed it , banned ,Mods are itching to ban/ censor organic accounts that don't fit in around here so watch you say

I'm trying to word myself very carefully in this thread as I understand the very nature of it puts it on thin ice. I don't want the mods to feel like I'm "attacking" them, I'm just a concerned long-time user.

It's a numbers game even if the numbers don't add up , the overseers want traffic ,if they ban a user who posts a ton of content it takes away from what the overseers believe what the masses want, ban a guy who post very little who's going to miss that guy ? Also, we have determined over the past few months there is a bunch of paid commercial accounts shilling and to not trust them , not feed them . Keep that in mind when you call for a ban or cry out in concern for a sub that doesn't care about small accounts because small organic accounts are a dime a dozen and don't write a check to Reddit .

Based off his name and some of the posts by him I saw, I'm assuming it's because he dared try to post negative things about the President in r/conspiracy.

God forbid we talk about conspiracies that Trump is involved with on a conspiracy sub.

What's funny is that everyone but this sub and T_D acknowledge that with every passing day it looks more likely that Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia. That is by definition a conspiracy. And it's about the establishment. But obviously I'm just a shill for noticing that according to the pedes

EDIT: Any proof he was banned?

If he's not a shill, a few days timeout would probably be sufficient. It works well in other (non-reddit) forums.

I never reported him, but I noticed he would camp on threads, and could push a rate of 50% of the responses in a thread. You can call that fanaticism, addiction, unhealthy or something else. I see it as anti-social, as it's a surefire method to drive off genuine human posters.

I've been guilty of the same in the past, which is why I'm even cognizant of it.

Or maybe he went personal in some posts that are now deleted? We wouldn't know. I've seen him get close enough to that line, and combined with his tendency to camp threads I wouldn't be surprised if he overreacted somewhere and got himself reported for genuine violations. It's a major risk when you won't let a point go.

Mod logs. The reasoning in the mod logs is also "spamming" when he put up 3 posts in an hour while Lelouch put up over 50 throughout the day and Lelouch didn't receive a ban.

The reasoning in the mod logs is also "spamming" when he put up 3 posts in an hour while Lelouch put up over 50 throughout the day and Lelouch didn't receive a ban.

If that's the actual reason, that seems ridiculous.

Then again, I've seen at least one account today which looked like it could be a throw away account of his.

Something tells me he's getting his fix in, regardless of the state of that one account.

Even if that were the case, that does not absolve the mods for a less than stellar ban reason. Just look at what SovereignMan posted in this thread...he's a former mod's that recently stepped down

Even if that were the case, that does not absolve the mods for a less than stellar ban reason.

If that's the actual reason, that seems ridiculous.

/facepalm

Huh?

I was stating that if it were the case that he made an alt and is posting in this sub, it doesn't absolve the mods of banning him in the first place for a less than stellar reason. I guess I could have worded it better

I was stating that if it were the case that he made an alt and is posting in this sub, it doesn't absolve the mods of banning him

I never said it did.

I even quoted my own statement on it that you've twice ignored now.

If that's the actual reason, that seems ridiculous.

I didn't ignore it, just didn't feel it needed me to respond and agree when everything I've said agrees lol

Think we just misunderstood each other brochacho

There is a new sub /r/conspiracyalt that I wish would take off. I just want to read non-political conspiracies now and again

/r/trueconspiracy in case you didn't know about it

Lmao. Git ur hid ada ur is

Sorry, I only speak English, a little German and Spanish. I can recognize korean, chinese, japanese, thai, russian, and a few others.

That looks like nothing I've listed so idk how to respond

Na, u git me.

No habla whatever you're saying

Okay I never addressed this post because it was downvoted.

Enough Trump spam was banned because all he did was bitch about Trump spam while spamming Trump spam.

Hmmm, 3 posts in an hour constitutes spam? So Lelouch posting over 50 in a day is ok, as long as it's pro trump/pizzagate?

Doesn't seem right....

https://www.reddit.com/user/ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_/?count=75&after=t1_deody3q

How about an entire page of his history spamming the same comment over and over again?

Calling Trump supporters in Conspiracy boot licking fascists.

He deserved his ban. Get over it.

Jesus, such hostility from a mod

What happened to this place? 5 years and over never seen it like this

I don't know maybe I'm hostile because you automatically believe enoughtrumpspam's bullshit story about why he was banned when all you had to do was click through 3 pages of his user history to see that he is a spammer... Which is exactly what the modmail he screen called said he was banned for.

Also I just looked into /u/Lelouch_Di_Britannia about ten pages of his submitted history. While he does post some pro Trump stuff he also posts some anti Trump administration stuff, pizzagate, domestic spying. He is all over the place.

He isn't spamming pro Trump stuff as it's been framed by enoughtrumpspam's allegations.

So here is where we are now man. You can either deal with it or you can go away on your own or with my assistance. Your call. It's don't have time to deal with the tears of people who won't even flip through a spammer's user history before jumping on the bandwagon that the world is ending.

You could have easily seen for yourself that enoughtrumpspam is indeed a spammer. It took me like 20 seconds to rediscover why I banned him.

This conversation/debate about this user is officially over. Any further bitching about his ban will be interpreted by me as "you need my assistance".

Lol I wanted an explanation. It's over 24 hours and I just got it. The whole reason of the post was because I wanted an explanation from the mods which you just gave me. I've been here 5 years and I've been concerned about the overall behavior of this sub.

Seriously though if you want to ban me, go for it. I'm sure you're itching to. I'll go hang with /u/SovereignMan

K

The mods told me that I can 3 posts per hour. So that's what I'm doing.

Hes been banned and muted, he kinda cant even talk with the mods about it so if I were in his shoes, I'd be pretty ticked as well

Yeah, people don't realize that these posts only hurt OP since they are being somewhat accusatory without giving the mods a chance to respond. It could also be considered inflammatory or an attack on a mod.

If people have grievances with a mod they should just message the mod mail in the queue first before going nuclear.

Mod logs. The reasoning in the mod logs is also "spamming" when he put up 3 posts in an hour while Lelouch put up over 50 throughout the day and Lelouch didn't receive a ban.

Huh?

I was stating that if it were the case that he made an alt and is posting in this sub, it doesn't absolve the mods of banning him in the first place for a less than stellar reason. I guess I could have worded it better