False Flags Serious Question!
6 2017-03-16 by gambletillitsgone
I love conspiracies and false flags are amongst my favorites. I 100% believe false flags are real and I love watching detailed videos covering the false flag. The dudes who make these quality videos have beautiful minds and make fantastic cases for their claim of an event being a false flag. I do have one question that is never addressed but one that without answers makes me very critical of such false flag claims.
The actors that are used must have friends and family somewhere right? False flags need numerous crisis actors which means there has to be 100s of family and friends not involved in each false flag that must remain silent after the false flag.
The friends and family of crisis actors must see their friend or family on TV after a false flag right?
What is the explanation for no friends and family members ever stepping up and saying that was BS.
I just can't wrap the logical portion of my brain around the fact that no friends, family, old high school pals, old Co workers etc ever come forward and say I know that person and the official story is BS.
Someone please help me understand how you rationalize this fact or give your thoughts on why this never occurs.
35 comments
n/a BillTheCommunistCat 2017-03-16
That is because "crisis actors" are bullshit.
The family members who lost their child/spouse/whatever are still alive right now. Many of them had to drop off the map so to speak because people were harassing them for being "crisis actors".
It really is fucking despicable.
n/a western_red 2017-03-16
I usually hear about Sandy Hook as being a false flag - I mean 20 kids were killed. Do people seriously believe 20 families are faking? And how long would this have to be planned ahead? I mean, it isn't as though there were 20 new kids in school that day, all to pretend to die? And every single teacher at the school was also in on it? It makes zero sense.
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
I get your skepticism, but one of the biggest reasons 9/11 & other false flag attacks are so successful is due to manipulation of facts. First responders on 9/11 Pentagon attack reported that there was zero evidence of a plane hitting the building. MSM just kept claiming a plane hit the Pentagon until everyone believed the official narrative. Same could be true with Sandy Hook. What evidence is available to even suggest these kids existed in the first place? I heard stories of the families of the slain kids at Sandy Hook avoided socializing with anyone & after the attack happened most just packed up & disappeared. Facts are manipulated all the time to benefit agendas, I don't see how this is any different.
n/a western_red 2017-03-16
People saw the planes hit, there is even video footage. I was living in NYC at the time, a lot of people saw it. Are the people I know also crisis actors?
So for you to say that the Sandy Hook kids didn't even exist - wouldn't some people at that school come out and say "those kids aren't our students"? The whole school decided to lie?
n/a amymariemain 2017-03-16
User was talking about a plane hitting the pentagon. No one is denying something hit the towers (although some believe it to be missiles.) But the evidence that two planes could not have taken down the towers the way they did, and also WTC 7, should be enough to convince most people, especially on this sub.
Have you done any research at all into Sandy hook?
n/a western_red 2017-03-16
Only what I've seen on this sub.
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
Jesus Christ people. I think people need to look up what a crisis actor is. It isn't every single person to witness a false flag attack anywhere in the world. Crisis actors weren't needed for 9/11. You're asking the wrong questions. "The whole school decided to lie?" No, the whole school WAS a lie. Try tracking down the families of these children, you will have a very hard time. Sandy Hook is in a very small community, it's not a big city. It would be pretty damn easy to create a school out of nowhere in a remote area & fill it with crisis actors. I thought it was bullshit too, until I started looking into it & found way to many details that made no sense.
n/a DrDarkMD 2017-03-16
Perhaps they, like 90percent of the fucking world at that point, had no fucking idea what a plane hitting a building would look like.
They’re not crash investigation experts, they’re not even fucking pilots, they are there to help injured and dying people not to look for a black box ffs.
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
So.... a plane hits the twin towers - wreckage everywhere for blocks. A plan hits the Pentagon - instantly vaporized on impact? I was 11 years only when I witnessed 9/11 on TV. Even back then, I felt as if something was incredibly off about the whole situation... If you think you need to be a expert to correctly tell if a plane hit a fucking building then you are a incredibly naive. So, I should be like you and let the "experts" spoon feed me what to believe? Your "experts" have absolutely nothing to gain & everything to lose by telling the truth. Anyone who understand the fundamentals of physics & critical thinking saw right through the official narrative that day. I can't believe I'm defending a 9/11 conspiracy theory in a fucking conspiracy subreddit.
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEfn065PkCQ
...because this is a TOTALLY normal reaction from a father that just lost his child. I would be hysterical in this situation, not laughing & joking around.
n/a jaydwalk 2017-03-16
100% agree with you on that! There was a lot of weird things going that day. Multiple looked to be playing different roles...
Parents and siblings smiling and laughing that had just lost their child/brother/sister...
n/a KnightBeforeTomorrow 2017-03-16
Someone accurately described them as looking like they had won the lottery.
n/a lalalola89 2017-03-16
Worst.Crisis Actor. Ever.
n/a KnightBeforeTomorrow 2017-03-16
Crisis actors are a reality.
Crisis actors needed in Houston july 4th through the 6th 2014 http://www.alipac.us/f19/crisis-actors-needed-houston-305119/
Emergency Drill held in Portsmouth. (Jul 24, 2015 crisis actors)
http://www.wmur.com/news/emergency-drill-held-in-portsmouth/34342260
My ink to an actual crisis actor class teaching them what to do has been disappeared. but here are/were the links.
Crisis actors briefing.
http://wakingupwisconsin.com/exposed-jade-helm-crisis-actor-leaks-footage-of-training-orientation-plane-will-crash-into-texas-chemical-plant-lots-of-casualties-video/
Backup page.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150703095804/http://wakingupwisconsin.com/exposed-jade-helm-crisis-actor-leaks-footage-of-training-orientation-plane-will-crash-into-texas-chemical-plant-lots-of-casualties-video/
Crisis actors, the Boston bombing, the Brassard family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co4EtAdJWso
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
What do personal relationships have to do with being a crisis actor? If you were a crisis actor, I doubt you'd tell your friends & family that you get paid for pushing the narrative of a false flag attack. You would probably work for the CIA (officially or unofficially), meaning you wouldn't be allowed to disclose information about your job. I doubt they would dare use the same crisis actor out of fear of someone connecting the dots. The false flag attack happens, CIA field agents (crisis actors) appear and push the desired narrative & then they disappear to work on another project. If one of their friends or family spots them on TV, you could simply claim you were checking out a lead & were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not that complicated if you ask me.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-03-16
I was just checking out a lead, and accidentally pretended to be one of the dead people! I know right? I'm a dumbass.
Oh, and by the way, don't tell anyone I'm still alive. That would be really embarrassing...
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
...wha? Why would you have a living person play a dead body? I don't think you understand what a crisis actor is. You can't amplify or set a narrative if you're laying on the ground pretending to be a dead body.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-03-16
They wouldn't be playing a dead body - they'd be "playing" the person who was supposedly killed. You know the guy in all the photos of "Joe" that was killed in the Pulse nightclub. Or the kid that was killed in Sandy Hook Elementary.
We see the names and faces of the dead victims, and they have to be real people (even if misnamed). So why do their friends and family not come forward and say "hey that's my son Joe, and he's not dead!"
But for the sake of argument, how about this:
The simple fact is, unless you are suggesting an entire community of "crisis actors" was employed to carry out a "false flag" in cases like Sandy Hook, you have no answer for why no one has come forward to expose these "crisis actors".
Those people on TV have friends and family. They have acquaintances. You would know if your childless neighbour suddenly showed up on TV pretending to have lost a child, right? So why do these people never come out and expose the "actors"?
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
Finally someone that asks the right questions. This is how I believe false flag attacks unfold:
If you're going to do a false flag attack, it has to be real, because you're committing it out in the open. Crisis actors don't partake in the actual false flag attack. The Pulse night club shooter DID kill those people, so those were actually innocent people killed. How doesn't anyone recognize the crisis actors? Well, if you were the CIA would you hire someone with tons of family & friends? Someone well known in their community? Hell no, you'd use a field agent that orphan as a child. They were then recruited by the CIA at a very young age (usually 18), & have been in the CIA ever since. Their friends? Maybe they don't have any? Most field agent's lives revolve around the CIA. They don't have time for "normal" lives. Watch the TV show, "Homeland." One of the main characters is a hitman for the CIA & he's in his 30's. He's been in the CIA his whole life & literally doesn't know a single person outside of the intelligence community. This really isn't all that crazy to assume. How do secret agents keep their identities a secret? Same situation.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-03-16
So real people were killed, and presumably injured, but the "they" sent in crisis actors to pretend to be more victims.... because... um why bother if there are real victims?
If you're suggesting the perpetrator was actually a CIA mind controlled suicide attacker, then you might have a point... but that's not what the "crisis actors" are supposed to be. They are supposed to be acting as victims, not the perpetrator... and seem utterly pointless if "they" are going to send ina real person with a real gun to kill real people.
So what you're saying is the CIA built a school, filled it entirely with "crisis actors" waited a few years so no one would question how an entire school suddenly appeared in their town, then sent in a real shooter to kill a bunch of kids... and no one was any the wiser?
But you caught them by watching video of the crisis actors talking about their phony kids?
Seriously... I don't get it. Are the victims real? If not, why has no one ever come forward to expose them. If they are, why hire "crisis actors" at all? They just become potential sources of leaks.
None of this shit makes any sense.
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
Because they're dead. How are you going to drive the narrative in a certain direction if there's just a bunch of dead bodies & no story to tell? You get crisis actors to say things like, "It was horrible! None of this would've happened if we had stricter gun laws!" It stirs public emotion & drives the people agree.
I never claimed the Pulse nightclub shooter was a crisis actor. You made that assumption on your own. (Still not sure why).
Maybe they did build it for that sole purpose? I don't have all the answers. You're not understanding me correctly, there would be no need to kill the children. The children are entirely fabricated. Did you personally view every single victim's dead body or see any victims on the news or in critical condition? Almost EVERY single horrible tragedy has pictures leaked after the fact. Columbine: Pictures were leaked after showing the bodies & the bloody aftermath. Why haven't any pictures of the Sandy Hooks tragedy leak showing all these dead children & a shot up school? It's an incredibly fucked up things to say, but SOMEONE would leak them on 4chan or some other method.
Obviously, you didn't watch the video. It shows a man laughing & joking around until he realizes he's on live TV. He then starts hyperventilating to make it appear as if he's worked up & crying. If your child was just murdered, I don't think you would be joking around.
That's what I've been trying to explain in my posts. Not every single victim is a crisis actor in false flag attacks. They're mainly used by the media after the attack occurs, they aren't exposed or leaked for the reasons I went into on the above post. If you're not even going to both to read it, then I'm done responding.
Never once said I was for or against gun control. Great job making that assumption though. I don't own a firearm, nor do I support conceal & carry or ANY firearm use outside of protecting your home/property.
This is a place to question EVERYTHING, no matter how crazy. If you have the inability to think outside the box & leave your preconceived political prejudices at the door when discussing theories, then this place really isn't for you.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-03-16
You think real family members of real victims would have something different to say? "Oh no, my mother had her brains blown out by a psychotic kid, but the lack of gun control is not to blame!" Yeah, right.
Maybe because the leaks from Columbine made police departments more careful about who got access to such photos?
You'd be surprised. For all you know this guy was a child abuser who did not give one fuck about his child, but knew the public attention demanded a certain kind of behaviour.
And sometimes stress makes people act strangely. What you "expect" is not necessarily how real people behave.
And I pointed out that using "crisis actors" after the fact is fucking stupid. There is no reason to do so (real victims don't need to act) and it adds a layer of risk that is totally unnecessary - wouldn't other victims point out that the person on TV was never actually there? Wouldn't that "crisis actor" now have a chance to make a killing by writing a tell-all book or article?
And for what benefit? To have someone say exactly what a real victim would say anyway?
Not agreeing with what you're saying is not the same thing as not reading what you're saying.
But you are against it, aren't you? It's obvious... especially when you believe that "crisis actors" are being used to "push the gun control agenda".
Yeah, and that includes the wild claims of people like you.
You can't even articulate why "they" would risk using fake victims in real cases - you just know they must be because what you've seen on the net has you convinced.
So much for questioning everything.
LOL. That's rich coming from you. I have picked apart your arguments and exposed their ridiculous nature, so all you have left is to accuse me of lacking the ability to "think critically".
You're hilarious.
n/a gambletillitsgone 2017-03-16
The crisis actors don't have to tell anyone they are actors buy people will see them on tv and be like wait this guy had no legs before the Boston bombing
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
....i'm not implying that every victim of a false flag attack is a crisis actor. Those people who were hurt during the Boston bombing were definitely real people. Crisis actors are mostly needed in situations where the tragedy doesn't speak for itself because real people were hurt. Boston bombing for example: there was video of the bomb going off in a crowd. People were killed & spoke about their experience, there isn't really any point in adding crisis actors because the narrative is established - a crazy terrorist set off a bomb in a crowd at the Boston Marathon. But some situations, such as Sandy Hook, would require crisis actors to drive a narrative. Shots fired at a Sandy Hook school, the situation doesn't speak for itself. The crisis actors are needed to establish details to drive the narrative, since it wasn't observed or recorded by the general population. "He used a AR15 assault rifle & went on a shooting spree!" - crisis actors drive the narrative to get people to stand behind reforming gun control laws.
n/a godiebiel 2017-03-16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
In other words; the events really happened, it was it was the circumstances and consequences that have been orchestrated.
n/a gambletillitsgone 2017-03-16
That is kind of where iam. I believe the events happen but we know it will happen in advance and have crisis actors on site to make event larger or more dramatic in order to sale the tragedy.
For example the people at the Boston bombing who had clothes blown off but have no injuries...
Like how the Fuxk is that possible?
n/a msjenkin 2017-03-16
Why do you assume they have friends and families?
n/a gambletillitsgone 2017-03-16
Acquaintances? Friends from school? Someone who sold them a car, house coffee?
n/a msjenkin 2017-03-16
you're assuming they are just regular people. with everything we know regarding human trafficking it would not be that difficult for those with unlimited resources to scoop up infants and keep them completely off the radar for years.
n/a lalalola89 2017-03-16
Or maybe they're serving a prison sentence and made a deal to get it reduced if they went and pretended to be a grieving parent for a few days, that wouldn't be such an unbelievable situation.
n/a msjenkin 2017-03-16
Right, if they got paid enough they would stfu
n/a msjenkin 2017-03-16
Look into social services human trafficking. If 1000s of babies are taken at birth and never heard from again... and this has been going on for decades...
n/a ac-phil93 2017-03-16
false flag doesn't mean "fake attack". i think people are mixing up two different things. False flag means an attack happened but not by the person you think. (for example: Like if you invade a country while wearing German flags, but your army is actually from England) 9/11 could be a "false flag" bc it may have been done by someone else, but the 3,000 victims weren't actors, they actually did die....
n/a gambletillitsgone 2017-03-16
I also believe the real events are known in advance and they place crisis actors to sale the visual aspect of the tragedy.
n/a KnightBeforeTomorrow 2017-03-16
42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks:
Governments from Around the World Admit They Do It
http://investmentwatchblog.com/42-false-flag-attacks-governments-from-around-the-world-admit-they-do-it/
53 Admitted False Flag Attacks
http://investmentwatchblog.com/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks-not-theory-admitted-fact/
n/a FreeDennisReynolds 2017-03-16
There are plenty of people without relatives to ask questions; many are tapped from the military where they have their records to know they're alone. They also take from friends/family of people already in the know, almost like there are communities of people born to do things like this. The same crisis actors can be seen in multiple productions so if they find someone who fits the bill perfectly, they'll keep them. (Examples: the man who witnessed 9/11 and the LAX shooting, the mom from Pulse [spoke at DNC] has been in like 4 events and a passanger who saw the Ft Lauderdale shootings also played a baggage handler). Ones that have to stay dead apparently go to live in Tel-Aviv.
And so what if bits and pieces get out? As long as 95% of the masses, whom never bother to research, believe it then they're fine. Those moon landing were fake as shit and NASA has contradicted themselves many times, 9/11 whistleblowers have come forward (killed after), eye witnesses saw 3 white men instead of 2 Muslims at San Bernardino, a Sandy Hook dad was caught fake crying on the news, people shot in the leg at Pulse were seen walking the same night, etc
n/a Meat_Monster 2017-03-16
...wha? Why would you have a living person play a dead body? I don't think you understand what a crisis actor is. You can't amplify or set a narrative if you're laying on the ground pretending to be a dead body.