They are all tools. If people would start realizing this, we could change things. The system is a lie.

No one cares.

A third of this sub is from The Donald, who will down vote anything they disagree with.

Another third are fucking antitrump shills.

I can't tell why this sub is such a target. They are destabilizing us.

It's really awful. I finally saw shillwork definitively the other day. It was truly disheartening.

I suppose it's great that we are likely on to some things that has the people paying the shills concerned. But man, I sort of wish we could just go back to being disregarded as though we wear tin foil hats.

wrong sub idiot.

Suspicious account activity too. Two or three comments in T_D which are essentially no more than "LOL", and then the account is filled from that point on with anti-Trump comments.

And yet u can't refute his points

Pointing out suspicious account activity on that level is relevant. That kind of account comment doesn't establish pro-Trump bona fides. Quite to the contrary, they indicate a weak attempt at faking them.

Finally, a real life conspiracy: a wave of week old accounts are suddenly posting nothing but anti Trump crap everywhere it doesn't belong. You're deranged. Seek help.

The real conspiracy?

Trump supporters who claim factual debate is fake content, without responding to claims.

It's all fake news and shills, huh? Why don't you refute each point?

Thank you! Absolutely sick of people refusing to debate (usually because they can't - either due to intelligence or lack thereof or inability to disprove a claim), and just screaming "shill" instead.

So much /shilling

They haven't mastered the optics.

Great point. This is exactly why TD is censored. Because if reason and logic and open debate happens the fraud of trump is exposed

Why don't you refute each point?

Because I'm not stupid? Because I know how trolling & sealioning works? Because my point is that this has fuck all to do with anything conspiracy related? Because it's a waste of time to respond to/for aren't interested in the truth? Because I don't give a damn what you or OP thinks? Because I know exactly what's going on here and what's coming next?

Pick one.

You sound stupid, are you sure? Have you been checked?

All the OP did was state a ton of things Trump "promised" that he later changed his mind on after being elected. If you disagree with that truth, you are the one who is deranged :-)

Why didn't you refute OPs point? It looks lazy when you jump straight into adhoms without making effort to rebuke a well presented position. As far as I can see every single claim made presented is true, easily verifiable and serves to demonstrate the central point- well said u/FUCK_TPTB

u/pccrawford46 ? Not so good. E for effort

Are you in some way mentally retarded?

Too many c's.

College freshman alert! Kid reads "politician I liked didn't live up to all of his promises :("

Welcome to real life

A five day old account that supported Trump, but is suddenly suffering #TrumpRegret.

Refute his points instead of stealth call him a shill why don't you

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/donald-trump-salary-donation/amp

Refutation:

Legally he has to accept the salary, why didn't OP explain this? Perhaps OP doesn't know or perhaps OP doesn't care.

The fact that no accountability has been set up to prove that he is donating his salary is an absurd argument because there is zero precidence for there to be an accountability report on donating the presidential salary.

IMHO this is just more MSM spin doctoring anything and everything they can to paint Trump in a bad light.

Great now address his other 10 points and u won't look like a blind fool

No one is going to listen to a word you say if you consistently talk down to people.

Truth is truth. People can listen to me or not. Now addresss his other 10 points sir, I apologize for calling you a fool. My bad.

I'm not saying Mexico will ultimately pay for the wall be here is how it could be done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-trump-can-make-mexico-pay-for-the-border-wall-heres-how/2017/01/17/7edf7872-dcbf-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.87c45b4937a4

Next point in next comment.

They won't. Good try though. Try more.

You obviously didn't read the link.

They don't have to hand us a check to assume the costs of the wall.

Read that weeks ago actually. Did you read the 5 articles about the budget that show how taxpayers are paying for the wall?

Vacation:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/donald-trump-turns-golf-diplomacy-japanese-leader-shinzo-abe/amp/

The anti-trump people are going to spin everything Trump does in a negative way. And the pro Trump people inversely will spin everything in a positive way.

The truth lay somewhere in the middle. The article I posted shows that Trump is doing a working vacation. Which isn't the worst way to get rid of the boring stately arrangements of the past. But it does contradict his statements during the campaign. One has to decide for themselves how they feel about it.

That was one time. One time. Now show how he was doing work on the next 9 trips to mar a mago and you'll have a good point.

It's becoming painfully clear that you aren't here to have a conversation. You're here to ram you opinions down people's necks.

I'm done with this exercise.

I'm responding and listening. Eyes and ears open friend.

You have far more patience than I do.

Do you know that 6 million jews died in the holocaust? It was terrible.

Not as bad as operation paperclip.

Why not golf at camp David, or a military base (all bases have golf courses). He goes to mar a lago to enrich himself, because he's corrupt

American Steel:

The presidential directive requires "all new pipelines, as well as retrofitted, repaired, or expanded pipelines, inside the borders of the United States, including portions of pipelines, use materials and equipment produced in the United States, to the maximum extent possible and to the extent permitted by law."

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/keystone-pipeline-american-steel-trumps-repeated-promises/story%3Fid%3D45898255

"The way that executive order is written … it’s specific to new pipelines or those that are being repaired. And since this one is already currently under construction, the steel is already literally sitting there, it would be hard to go back," White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters aboard Air Force One. "But I know that everything moving forward would fall under that executive order."

So while Trump's rhetoric is exaggerated, his executive order is clear and sets the stage for all future purchases of steel in relation to these pipelines to be American steel while simultaneously allowing these companies to use the steel they have already purchased.

When you really start to look into this propaganda you can see the spin jobs come into focus.

Now explain why keystone is using Russian steel

Because the steel is already sitting there at the job site. Again you failed to read the links or the quoted highlights I provided for you after you failed to read the link on the previous posts.

He legally has to accept it, but he said that he would donate the money to charity. No proof that he's done that. And no he's not just being humble lol

Any conclusion you came to was your own.

So us your pro trump account. I want proof you rrally were pro trump and then switched.

My guess is that this all another ploy to try to sway trump supporters... 'i was a trump fan too but now i hate him... join me'.

Meh, there are plenty of us who voted Trump, hoping he wouldn't do the dumb shit and would start locking up politicians (on both sides.)

That's clearly not going to happen now, so fuck him, fuck almost all Republican politicians, and fuck almost all Democratic politicians.

I am one with the force and the force is with me

He can't even get his cabinet approved. How do you think he's going to take down a massive, decade old, deeply entrenched power structure that is fighting him at every chance it gets?

Trump just gave Flint help with their water crisis. Other players were willing to just that problem solve itself.

"Trump" didn't do that, Obama and Congress approved it back in December.

Exactly. The list has some valid points. I was never a Trump fan. But I REALLY did not want Hillary to win. Currently, I am still happy with the results of the election, under the premise it had to be one of the two.

But Trump supporters really need to wake up. You have to hold your chosen politician accountable. The list OP posted, regardless if OP is a shill or not, is something to take seriously. At this point, it's starting to look like many Trump supporters are hitting the koolaid as hard as Obama supporters were his first campaign. These politicians cannot hold godlike status. They are human. They will make mistakes. They will be wrong. But they need to be held accountable by their own supporters too for any good to result.

We need to stop with this us Vs. them mentality. It's become so strong it is making us blind to reality.

And honestly, no true r/conspiracy subscriber should be blindly loving a politician or govt branch. That just makes no sense. I thought our tin foil hats prevented such a thing. ;)

What difference does it really make? Every last thing he said is true, and if you supported Trump and objectively witness what is happening, you have to realize you got conned bigly.

Oh ffs. Refute is points don't secretly call him a shill

I didnt call anyone a shill. Personally, i think hes just a useful idiot like yoursellf......ffs.

You did by questioning his authenticity. Ppl are allowed to have opinions u know

Im calling him a useful idiot. Thats worst than a shill because they were duped by the shills to further the lies and deception. Nice and simple. Its my opinion, ffs.

A useful idiot cause he sees through trumps lies and you don't? Your more of a useful idiot actually

'Trumpgret' (lol)

/r/trumpgret

This is straight out of shareblue's playbook. You aren't fooling anybody.

Care to disprove any of the OP claims?

He's cherry picking things MSM has been pushing down our throats since he took office. I don't give a flying fuck about his tax returns or Russia. He has been in office less than 70 days and I think he is doing fantastic. I voted for him for economic reasons and the confidence in the economy is the highest it's been in a long long time.

What's he done other than bail on TPP?

That's all he needed to do, tbh.

But he's doing so much more.

That's what Trump wants.

War with China, with Iran, North Korea, and whatever other countries they can scrape together.

But he's doing so much more.

Like what?

Any confidence in this economy is founded on unstable ground. Seriously, it could not be more clear. People are throwing their money in the stock market because trump promised to slash corporate taxes. This will result in corporations posting record profits in the coming quarters. But this is obviously unsustainable, and there will be a crash in the future to correct. You can only cut so many corners. None of trumps policies actually address the true problems of the economy, only the symptoms, and all his policies mostly benefit the already wealthy.

I would like to see some sources first. Disproving a negative and all that.

I wonder when the days of not singing Trump's praises will stop resulting in brigades.

tide is turning, I give it a couple months at most before these people realize they were conned by the best words.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you have sources on those numbers and figures I could check out?

Yeah, with sources this would be a post I could seriously entertain. I kinda have been tuning out all the anti-trump propaganda because it was all "thou doth protest too much" kinda shit, and I wanted to give him a fair shake. We hadn't really had any time with him in office to evaluate him, and yet had a massive narrative push describing what seemed like years of malfeasance. On top of that, we had the obviously fabricated russian narrative discrediting criticism of Trump.

But I think we've had enough time to start evaluating what we really have here. If the retarded shill team would just stfu for a month here so some real red blooded humans could discuss this subject, that'd be great.

If it was sourced, even at all I'd lend it some credence. I understand it may sound snobby, but unless he made it up, the information came from somewhere and I'd be genuinely curious to delve deeper. If true, it's a nice compilation of allegations, but the delivery is so soap-boxey that I'm having trouble picking up what OP is putting down.

Red blood, blue blood, green blood, don't matter to me. Let the discourse be patient, reasonable, and derived from un-doctored (as best as possible at least) fact.

OP, if you have some sources, I believe you'd have a larger audience than you think. I don't what to believe anymore so I'll hear anyone out at this point, provided the argument is backed with sources and the premises match the argument without trying to invoke and emotional response.

Red didn't refer to political affiliation, just meant human, not shillbot.

I know, just emphasizing a point. Sorry, didn't mean to come across like that! :O

You need sources for OP? Maybe if the liar in chief didn't convince you to shut your eyes and ears to news you would have seen all this and had a chance to hold the con man accountable

You accuse others of having their eyes and ears shut, but require no sources to believe unsourced statements while calling Trump "liar in chief" and a "con man," presumably dismissing anything he says without giving his words a second thought (aka shutting your eyes and ears to anything he says).

i didnt get those ideas from op. i read countless articles and ops statements confirm what alot of people jnow about the con man

Yeah I've already seen some of these brought up previously and disproved, so I'm going with: u mad u lost.

Thanks for shit posting, have a nice night.

If I were to show you sources would you accept them even if they were washington post and the like?

I stopped caring because I can't provide any proof that isn't "lying MSM" all i can say is read the bill Trump said he was 100% behind for healthcare-- it does the opposite of what he said. Look at the budget, he appropriated our money for it. Those are the most primary sources I have off the top of my head

It's a shame how media outlets twist the language in the primary sources to weaponize the information to produce some sort of emotional response in the viewer. You're absolutely right, I should stop whining for proof and dig myself. Thanks for the light bump on the head

Agreed! It's good to see another voice of reason. Now I realize I was manipulated by Russian agents and fake news for most of the election cycle.

The MSM and alternative media parroted vague lines about email servers and "shady" foundations to build up distrust for Secretary Clinton. She's a lifelong public servant.

Meanwhile they whitewashed everything in Trump's past and gave his very real scandals and misdeeds the bare minimum of airtime.

He will face impeachment after the investigation into his Russian ties. Those close to him are already falling. It can't come quickly enough.

I actually thought he'd help the middle class. I'm voting Dem from now on. Democrats are the only non establishment bastion remaining that will align policy with public interest.

Now I realize I was manipulated by Russian agents and fake news for most of the election cycle

Haha. Are you reading from a script or something?

No. Please try to think critically. Even if it challenges your worldview.

" democrats are the only nom establishment bastion"

Literally fuck off. You're as bad as the pro trump fuck boys.

Red/Blue, Left/Right, it's all the same game.

Look man. As you get older you'll realize that voting on policy is the way to go. You may not have liked Hillary because of her age or gender, but the American people would have been better off with her in power. Trump is a president of spectacle and inaction.

Oh wow, amd then you take a patronizing tone? Like I'm some kid who found mommys tablet open with R/Conspiracy

Lol. Sorry if that came off as patronizing.

Sound like it tho

Do you just infer that the person you are talking to doesn't like Hillary because of her age or gender??

Do you not see how dismissive it is to blame sexism for criticism or dislike of Hillary, and why that dismissiveness would anger the people who you are essentially implying are too stupid to see past their own sexism and that their reasons for disliking Hillary therefore must be illegitimate?

This is why blaming bigoted beliefs for dislike or criticism is not persuasive (and is perhaps dissuasive) to people who are open to the possibility of legitimate reasons for criticism (aka open-minded). When you dismiss criticism as being motivated by bigoted beliefs, implying that it cannot be legitimate, you out yourself as someone who is close-minded. You are relying on speculation regarding possible motivations for disliking Hillary, without thinking critically about whether there are reasons to dislike Hillary that could have merit.

So you anger the person you are directly dismissive of, and you suggest to others that you are close-minded. This is not a recipe for persuasive argument.

Did you forget a /s?

Because your comment sounds like pure garbage. Did you even reread thay swill before you posted?

Removed, Rule 5, but thanks for providing a source of amusement. Best laugh of the day.

Source all that and you have a solid red pill man.

I respect your opinion, but this sub is just going to accuse you of accepting a paycheck from Soros.

$0.02 has been added to your account.

Is that the truth account for exposing trump as the shitty liar he is? But he fooled his stupid base by using first grade vocabulary. Turns out he doesn't have the best anything.

$0.02 sheckles have been added to your account ;)

Thx never-Trumper

Why are all the shills such massive cuckolds? This could be some deep seeded Monarch program at the rate they're appearing. The CIA just cucks an entire generation of men right the fuck up so they can do whatever they want. Unfortunately...its worked quite well thus far.

Hows the work over at blue? Spending dem shiny dimes on overwatch loot crates bro?

Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

$0.02 has been added to your account.

He is president he already has them.

I think you lost your way.

So you're kidding right? Since, you know

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Rule 10

The only thing I remember is that he promised to jail Clinton, and he hasn't done it... yet.

The only part of his platform I cared about right there.

He never will, he said as much

Remember people: Sanders supporters gave us Turmp out of spite for an imaginary crime.

You sound like a Hillbot pretending they voted for trump. Yeah, he's profiting off the presidency, but so was she. The only candidate who gave a fuck about people was ignored by the media.

Nice straw man. Try addresss everything op said you blind fool

Everything the OP said is true, except one thing. The OP obviously did not vote for trump. Trumpies are doing the same thing, "I'm a liberal but...." then pushing trump dogma down our throats. I'm not arguing with the message but the messenger does us all a disservice when s/he misrepresents who they are.

OP got me until he talked about Trumps cabinet with Russia, nice try faker.

I'm with you there.

remember when he said he would put hillary in jail?

One of the reasons I voted for him is for some opposition to the extreme left, SJW thought and speech control agenda. I haven't been disappointed yet.

This man is to stupid to form a full intelligent sentence, like what the fuck did people expect?

A 5 day old account... nothing to see here folks!

Can you refute anything in this list?

Most of it, actually. That's without even needing to research each point.

Remember when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? He has asked Congress to appropriate the $25 billion of taxpayer money to cover costs.

Refute this one

Refute this one

Seriously? You think he was going to make Mexico write him a cheque to pay for the wall? Are you 12? Any intelligent person knows he meant Mexico will pay for the wall over time, ie through taxes and tariffs.

Remember when he said he wasn't going to go on vacation or play golf? 5 of the last 7 weekends he went on vacation and played golf, costing taxpayers $11.1 million.

Trump is spending weekends at Trump Tower and Mar-a-lago because the White House is compromised, as evidenced by his communications being constantly leaked to the media and multiple cases of people breaching the outer fence to try and get to him. It isn't just Trump going to Mar-a-Lago, it is his advisors and staff. They are generally working with a few days off thrown in as well.

costing taxpayers $11.1 million.

Ok, so with the billions he has saved on the Air Force One and F-35 programs, national debt being down by billions, taxpayers are still on the winning end, no?

harder than you think huh?

No.

The tariff plan was all ready shot down, and even if it wasn't all ready shot down, who really pays for tarriffs? The consumer, aka us.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-obama-golf/

He's saving money on the individual cost of f-35s by buying more of them. Not really the same thing at all

If I went out tomorrow and bought a new truck, but was able to negotiate the price down by 1k, my wife wouldn't say wow you earned 1k let's go on vacation. She's say why the fuck did you buy a new truck?

You do know who pays US taxes tariffs right?

Even if OP is a shill, every point he/she brought up is valid. I was in the same boat as OP. If you're still blindly following Trump then it's time to take a step back.

You really aught to look at what people have done, rather than what they say they'll do, before supporting them in an election. He isn't doing anything he hasn't done in the past during his presidency. If you were taken in by his rants, that's on you. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is that Trump may actually get prosecuted for his crimes.

I honestly don't care about the Russia stuff one way or the other, communicating with a country isn't a bad thing no matter how you spin it.

How does it feel to be full of shit and an attention whore at the same time?

I vote for social issues rather than economy, I thought this country was capitalist so funny they think their government can fix it for them without communism. People may call me stupid for doing so but I know our currency is fiat backed by nothing more than incredibly well equipped and funded military. Also our "stability" in the world gives our money value. So I'm going to try to vote in people who will give us more and more freedoms. I know "free country" right?

I wanted Sanders. Now you may think Hillary "stole the nomination" from him but this country forgot it was capitalist again. Bernie spent his career as an Independent and Clinton spent her career helping Democrats. Bernie doesn't "deserve" the Democrat nomination but rather should have had the courage to run Independently as he always has because he's more socialist than Democrats ever were. Democrat establishment has a right to put whoever they want as their nominee for president. Primary votes are a suggestion box. They are not entitled to your vote come election day. People chose and Donald's president.

I've long said that I'm going to vote logically, but secretly hope Donald became president to destroy the world. Ah, him implicating the U.K in his spy schemes was just icing on my destruction cake. I wonder if the world will band together as Allies against the evil Axis... of America.

You fell for the Russian meme.

/r/trumpgret

The brigade is here folks. Post anti Trump for free upvotes, question any part for the opposite.

Quality discussion!!

He hasn't been in office long enough for your bullshit tantrum.

4 years later... "Give him a break, it's only his first term"

Which is as retarded to say as your initial point. Your agenda is clear, you're not fooling anyone.

The only part of his platform I cared about right there.

Oh wow, amd then you take a patronizing tone? Like I'm some kid who found mommys tablet open with R/Conspiracy

Do you just infer that the person you are talking to doesn't like Hillary because of her age or gender??

He never will, he said as much

But he's doing so much more.

Like what?

Do you not see how dismissive it is to blame sexism for criticism or dislike of Hillary, and why that dismissiveness would anger the people who you are essentially implying are too stupid to see past their own sexism and that their reasons for disliking Hillary therefore must be illegitimate?

This is why blaming bigoted beliefs for dislike or criticism is not persuasive (and is perhaps dissuasive) to people who are open to the possibility of legitimate reasons for criticism (aka open-minded). When you dismiss criticism as being motivated by bigoted beliefs, implying that it cannot be legitimate, you out yourself as someone who is close-minded. You are relying on speculation regarding possible motivations for disliking Hillary, without thinking critically about whether there are reasons to dislike Hillary that could have merit.

So you anger the person you are directly dismissive of, and you suggest to others that you are close-minded. This is not a recipe for persuasive argument.

/r/trumpgret

Remember people: Sanders supporters gave us Turmp out of spite for an imaginary crime.