what do venus, mercury and jupiter represent if you dont mind me asking?

A portion of our solar system

i meant more like how saturn is the keeper of secret, what do the other planets represent in that aspect of things.

^{it's all bullshit}

Now that's a loaded question and a half.

With enough certainty as OP claiming it's all real.

If we were all raised to see blue as green, what color would the sky be?

Still blue. The world doesn't run on chaos magic.

Why is 7 such an important number?

It's not. What are some real world examples where the number 7 had real, physical power?

Why did ancient astrologers know so much about the stars, supposedly without having access to telescopes?

Math.

Why, in ancient Sumerian cuneiform are the sun and moon considered planets?

I'm not an expert on Sumerian culture, and neither are you.

Let me ask you this, what would life in earth be like if there were other planets in the solar system?

There are other planets in the solar system.

Would there be life at all?

Wut

i mean it all could be but if you look at ancient history a lot of civilizations had a interest in astronomy and astrology, they could have been onto something back then.

They also believed the earth was flat, the sun revolved around us, volcanos were gods, etc.

i dont think that is the case for all of them my friend, but im just saying to keep an open mind about these things lol.

There's a difference between keeping an open mind, and demanding people start learning a metaphysical science.

i never made that claim though, you just replied to one of my comments saying "it's all bullshit" which could be true but on the opposite side it could very well be real. Now if you want to get mad at OP for trying to force people to learn astrology, take it up with him lol (idk if he is or not, not my problem)

Volcanos are Gods......Duh.

I technically have no proof they're not.

Says the person that says it's all bull shit

pluto is secrets and destruction, not saturn. saturn is the task master.

https://www.astrology.com/article/planets-saturn.html

https://www.astrology.com/article/planets-pluto.html

interesting, thank you!

Do you have a good article or something for me to read?

Ok cool I'll check it out. Thank you!

Venus = love/personal relationships (it goes retrograde very frequently). Mercury = communications/commerce (it also goes retrograde very frequently). Jupiter = wealth/finance/knowledge/expansiveness in general. Jupiter and Saturn are more rarely retrograde.

I wouldn't read too much into retrograde motion per se, although it's curious that there are four simultaneous retrogrades in the coming months. To me, more ominously, this summer we have a total eclipse tracing through the US mainland.

Well, frequent enough that Mercury and Venus retrograde are not, by themselves, remarkable. Combined with Jupiter and Saturn, yes.

Re: the eclipse this summer, eclipses are typically associated with upheaval astrologically. It's been quite a long time since the US has been in the path of a total eclipse, so.... yes, "growing pains and trials" for norteamericanos.

As for rulers believing in astrology. I'm pretty certain at this point that elites follow a very old religion, carefully hidden from the masses. Since you've researched this for a long time, I think you're pretty aware of how all the symbols used in public rituals, timing of events, etc., seem to suggest this. So astrology would be part of this constellation (as it were) of beliefs. Note the famous quote attributed to JP Morgan (perhaps erroneously): “Millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do”

So do you think astrology is "evil"?

No, it's just another system to understand. Whether it's "effective" is another story. FWIW, I grew up with a parent who was a semi-professional astrologer, but I eschewed it for a very long time and ended up becoming a scientist. These days I'm willing to reconsider whether it's useful or not, either as a valid method in-and-of-itself for "timing" various political phenomena (due to time-resonances, which I believe in, see r/holofractal), or at least a window on elite views of optimal timing of events.

A final note: I recall growing up (in the 80s) that Astrolabe was some high-end astrology software that was pretty much the only way you could easily perform certain calculations. At the time, I lived on the West Coast, and had no context for the location of the company that produces the software, Brewster, MA. Only after moving to the East Coast did I realize that Brewster is in a very affluent residential community in Cape Cod (median family income $57K in 2000). In other words, the author(s) of the software are (likely) operating a home business in a reasonably wealthy community. Make of that what you will...

It certainly means something. What, I don't know exactly.

I haven't found astrology particularly effective at understanding the timing of events in my own life, but I'll admit that a traditional analysis/interpretation of my birth chart does a pretty good job of fleshing out my personality and personal challenges, at least in my youth.

Note that sun sign is not enough, you need at least the moon sign and ascendant to say anything at all about how a person's birth chart relates to their personality. But it's better to have all of the other planets and house positions also.

Virgo sun, scorpio ascendant. Lots of virgo planets. That tells you why I'm a scientist (well, soon-to-be-former) and yet still attracted to r/conspiracy!

Where's a good place for birth charts?

I think you can get a free birth chart here.

Thank you.

I just did the report and this is a very deep and esoterical rabbit hole. It never ends on this sub haha

Thank you for sharing the software anecdote. That is very interesting info. People love to write off astrology as something for flakes, kooks, etc, but I think it is much more complicated than that.

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Everything always changes, but can you predict anything accurately with astrology? It might be all true for all I know, but why should I trust you to divine that for me or any horoscope writer or any lying Elite.

And there's always some unique event happening with the conjunction of the planets or whatever.

You wrote a lot of words here but it's all in service of some vague prediction. In the next 2 months, you could take any event in the world and say, "That's because of the retrograde."

There is all kinds of free info out there about astrology, astronomy, gematria, etc for you to review, learn, and understand if you so choose.

This means that you don't have to take anyone's word for it. If it's not your cup of tea, fine. No one is forcing you to drink or claiming they are the only one's capable of providing tea for you. You should avoid anyone that tries to convince you otherwise. Think properly for yourself and always retain the right to change your mind when you get new/better info. Simple as that.

I couldn't agree more; you're speaking my language. At the bottom (or nearer the bottom) of the rabbit hole of conspiracies is a very spiritual place. I used to dismiss astrology, but that's before I realized the extent to which we've been lied to

Just personally, I was looking through all my past relationships and noticed my favorite ex was the most compatible sign to my sign. I thought that was neat, we really did get along naturally well. Then I saw that people I already didn't like were the negative signs to mine. Then with more history and research in regards to religion (Sun/son of God) and more conspiracy theories I've concluded that God is real, we're not here by accident, and the PTB know and use astrology.

You might enjoy Jordan Peterson's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos

He is a professor of psychology at University of Toronto and previously taught at Harvard for five years. He did a great long form interview on the Joe Rogan Experience recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE where he touched on Jung, modern myth building through movie/comic hero characters, the spiritual aspect of human consciousness, etc.

I'm an Indian and my grandfather used to be in astrology and palmistry. I never believed him until when I was 30. My mum asked him to read my hand and tell me about future and he did. He told me stuff and I shrugged it off saying that this can't be true. Now I miss him because 8 years down the line, everything he said came true. I was a fool to dismiss him. We're taught not to understand astrology because not a lot of people understand. It's often said, its vague and not true etc.

One of the last thing my grandfather said and I remember it well - "when you close your mind to something (he was talking about things that I don't understand), you're limiting yourself as a human being".

It's funny, isn't it?

I'm a scientist and have spent most of my life ridiculing things like astrology and religion. In recent years I've dug into the rabbit hole a little and learned that we've been lied to on so many fronts, for such a long time. Makes you wonder what else is being hidden from us?

I've gone from having a very closed, certain, scientific mind to having an open, analytical, skeptical and spiritual mind. It feels good.

"If you understand frequencies and vibrations, you can understand the universe" -Tesla. HAARP, chem trails and ELF waves affect frequencies and consciousness i.e. subconsciously encouraging negative emotions. Brainwashing is more complex and wide than we thought

Patent for NERVOUS SYSTEM MANIPULATION BY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS FROM MONITORS

Certain monitors can emit electromagnetic field pulses that excite a sensory resonance in a nearby subject, through image pulses that are so weak as to be subliminal. This is unfortunate since it opens a way for mischievous application of the invention, whereby people are exposed unknowingly to manipulation of their nervous systems for someone else's purposes. Such application would be unethical and is of course not advocated. It is mentioned here in order to alert the public to the possibility of covert abuse that may occur while being online, or while watching TV, a video, or a DVD.

Hendricus G. Loos was a scary man.

TIL Tesla was a hermetist.

Thank you for this post. I think it would also be wise to raise some awareness about the occult season of sacrifice, which we are about to enter, for those who are not aware of it. In modern times, it seems to be a favorite time for false flags, terrorist attacks, school shootings, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_wQI5pIvk

I was glad to see this post as I have encountered pushback on here from users for pointing out in a factual manner something as simple as the occult/esoteric communities generally associate the number 9 with satan. lol

It's also good for people to investigate astrotheology. What is it? What does it mean? Where did it come from and what modern day religions still practice it - in both their exoteric and esoteric versions? etc

Absolutely! There is nothing wrong with learning about something you don't agree with or believe.

In April there will be 4 retrogrades happening at once. This has not happened in a very long time.

FYI - it happened last year:

http://thespiritscience.net/2016/04/19/for-the-first-time-in-over-10-years-5-planets-are-all-going-into-retrograde

RALFEE FINN from AquariumAge.com:

"It’s here—the 2016 retrograde zone, when Mars, Mercury and Pluto join Saturn and Jupiter in a massive retrospective that persists in varying formations over the course of the next nearly three months…"

Are you still in love?

Good luck my friend, I hope the planets work in your favor, whatever the outcome.

When will venus come out of retrograde

Thank you friend! I will definitely try it, what does it mean exactly though?

my natal chart sadly proved prescient, but as a general predictive tool, astrology has been bullshit for me.

fwiw, saturn is not the planet of secrets. it is the taskmaster. the planet of kharma.

saturn was the roman god of agriculture. the saturnalia was the roman month-long feasting and merrymaking in dec (but christmas is just a coincidence right?). "satan" is not of roman derivation. it's hebrew (as one would excpect)

pluto is the planet of sectets, the planet of destruction (pluto is hades is the king of the underworld, and the one most typically associated with satan in the sense of the lord of hell).

jupiter is the planet of expanse. the planet of justice. it can't be hard aspected, unlike saturn, which is always hard aspected.

mercury is the planet of communication. mercury in retrograde is supposed to cause communication problems--misunderstandings and missed messages.

venus is the planet of union. can't really be hard aspected either. mercury can.

you aren't supposed to just take them by themselves but in context of the sign the retrogrades occur in. each planet supposedly is effected differently by the sign it is in and how it relates to the planet/sign combo on your own natal chart.

here's my natal chart to explain:

sun aquarius ascendant libra moon taurus mercury capricorn* venus pisces* mars aries* jupiter sagittarius* saturn taurus neptune libra uranus sagitarius pluto libra

(my last 3 planets are genX's generational planets, the same for all of us)

the * are the home planets for those signs, so theoretically the retrogrades in venus, mercury, and jupiter will be felt more by me than someone else, the saturn one the same or less so. it takes an hour to work it all out, which i don't feel like doing because after wasting an hour of my time, it amounts to nothing.

You said that Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn all going retrograde will greatly affect human consciousness. How so? Do you mean that perhaps more people will "wake up" and see "the truth"? Or will this be a negative effect?

You mention a Revolution coming. Well, I'm all for that! :-)

I've always heard that when Mercury is retro-grade, that it sometimes affects electronic equipment. Also, that you shouldn't sign contracts during that time. (Not that I've followed that rule. It is just what I've heard).

I totally agree with your post here. Around December time I noticed a massive shift in consciousness. Alot of people pick up empathic traits and becoming alot more aware of their reality. During that time I got heavy into meditation and projecting myself for more information about our world. In January I was sat with my partner and I felt like I had information pushed into my brain about the planets and their vibrations and the vibrations and protons our bodies project, with the words computer system. I started to read deep into occult beliefs and crowleys book ect and they 100% follow key dates in astrology where events are happening in the solar system. I truly believe that the planets project the vibrations we cause individually and collectively back to us. Making an impact on our reality and punishing us with karma for our negative vibrations and good vibrations. I believe the elites know loopholes around the dates where they can continue to abuse the people of the earth and get away with it. But something has happened recently and it seems karma is slowly punishing and dragging everyone's misdeeds into the light and public knowledge. I think this is a moment in history where beings all over yhe universe will write about and talk about. The year humanity rised up and came before corruption and greed.

Funny. I told my sister (she celebrates Saturday as her sabbath) that she was really celebrating saturn. That the 12 disciples link to the 12 zodiac symbols, etc etc. I don't know why it angers people so much, but astrology links to religion in such a drastic way, it's hard not to notice it.

Totally. Right now I'm reading the Gnostic text which are a lot of the books of the bible that were left out, and even it clearly states how astrology correlates. Maybe why they were left out..

Oh please, we are here to discuss real concerns here, like pizzagate, 9/11 or mass surveillance, not astrology pseudoscience.

Rick Levine's youtube site gives very good, IMO, forecasts per month. He's a good mix of expert with psychology. He also notes that, many times, astrologers shouldn't claim to prove how astrology works, because they don't really know, they just firmly believe it does because they have studied it extensively and how it apparent it is. Which goes back to what OP said, we should all study it ourselves, because then it becomes very F*Cking apparent. John Anthony is another good lecturer on the topic. Nothing beats diving in for yourself. A favorite site of mine that I regularly check is astrodienst: http://www.astro.com/ You can check the current chart of the moment. Also get a free, computer generated read, which is ok I guess, but ooOOOOoo the chart of the moment!

Lmao.

Yes it's true. Giant rocks floating in space magically affect our personalities and behavior. It's been proven... oh, wait. There is no proof. The idea that "people have used astrology for thousands of years" doesn't translate to an argument of validity. Those same Ancient peoples that worshiped astrology used mercury (the element not the planet) to "cure" syphilis. Turns out, it's toxic as fuck. (Because they were barbaric simpletons). Astrology is unadulterated bullshit for the gullible.

I have an open mind. Provide empirical proof. Not some mystical opinion piece. Proof. And..

living spaceships

GTFO with that. Provide proof so that we can see that you're not delusional. Hint: you're delusional

Lol. This is how cults get started

You do realize that this is a place for theorizing? You really don't have to put a comment on every post claiming that you think it's bullshit. Just a thought though.

Also, we are all on earth as our solar system is whizzing through the universe. I doubt r/ihopeitsround thinks it's a literal metal space ship.

Have felt that lately, especially today. The flow is where I will go.

Please hold the downvotes...I am very intrigued by this post, yet I can't make myself believe any of it. Can I be presented with some concrete proof that would help me be swayed? Because this is jist so out there for me...

Okay, this is my turn to shine!

I was surprised to see astrology here in conspiracy.

If you guys are interested, I suggest you a book. The author talks about astrology, numerology, frequency, immortality and CIA / government.

How her daughter disappeared suddenly. She talks about some conspiracy stuff, government, the lies that they tell us and more.

" Linda Goodman " (Star signs). check her other books too! She used to be a famous astrologer..

Words are funny, but even funnier are people's misinterpretations of them.

Thank you for bringing awareness to this.

How do you feel about the Total Solar eclipse, occurring August 21 2017, across the United States?

:)

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2017Aug21Tgoogle.html