https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@obedientworker/understanding-pizzagate

This is not proof. This is opinion. There is a huge difference between the two.

You get a down vote for trying to spread opinion and claiming it to be fact!

He says suspected.

Then why bother reporting at all? This is just a smear campaign. When you have facts then report it.

Https://pizzagate.wiki for all your factual needs.

Please - give it a break. You have no facts and no idea what you are talking about. When you have facts that will stand up in a court of law then come back and see me. Until then you can keep your silly little web logs.

When you have facts that will stand up in a court of law then come back and see me

Hmm I wonder who could be behind this post

You will get facts as soon as the people who have the AUTHORITY and resources of our governments, do their jobs and gather such facts. Right now it is mostly concerned citizens doing the job, people who love children.

I hope P1zzag8te and a lot of this pedophilia garbage is false, God help us if it isn't. BUT we may never truly know, either way, unless people do their jobs.

Why don't you explain it then since you've obviously got the facts and obviously know what you are talking about?

This is all a bunch of morbid people speculating and accusing with no facts. Hearsay is not fact. You all are the type that would lynch an innocent man in the old west just because you didn't like his looks.

Evidence? Where?

I didn't ask for a lesson in dictionary reading. I did that in fourth grade. It is people like you that start ruining the lives of innocent people merely because you don't like how they talk or what they say. That is what I object to. If you have proof then use it. If not then shut the fuck up!

They sure rattle easily.

Yep always in with the heated, emotional reasoning resorting to aggressive emotional reactions in an attempt to control and manipulate the narrative.

The massive protest over investigating ANYTHING related to the commonly EXCEPTED reality that there is a pedophile ring full of the world's most powerful people. Dr fucking Phil just had a victim on this week for fuck sake's. You can claim all the evidence and victims that have come forward are all fake.. but you will still have a hard time convincing ANYONE that this shit IS going on.

Were you at the protest?

I don't think you understand what hearsay is. Literal emails and pictures are not hearsay. They are evidence. And there's a shitload of both.

You don't know when you are being played, do you? You are the governments wet dream - an idiot citizen that can be lead around by the nose. You are a sucker!

The government, what?? Actually, I didn't believe a word of any of this until I set out to debunk it. It's an incredibly deep and tangled web and it certainly isn't about a single pizza shop. Do some research. The evidence is undeniable.

That's exactly what a victim of this sick system would say.

Yeah I've often wondered since this all began - are people reacting strongly like they often do to consp. theories in gen. because the overwhelming horror of what they indicate - the smoke leading to/indicating a fire (the very actual long burning fires of Hades in PGs case), evidence/discovery of actual fires in some confirmed conspiracies but still - is it simply because people don't want to entertain, speculate about or discuss Pizza/Pedo G as it is fundamentally too much for them to emotionally, spiritually and psychologically consider or do they want to be taken seriously on the grounds of applying logic, reason, evidence etc....as many citizen investigators and Russian hackers, er sorry, internet sleuths are clearly doing and uncovering enormous quantities of puzzle pieces that are beginning to form a coherent picture when put together with large collections of puzzle pieces from previous eras or incidents such as:

• What "Kendall" revealed on Dr. Phil the a couple of days ago confirming what many have known for ever
• The Dutroux scandal
• Franklin Boys Town scandal
• The Presidio military preschool scandal and other related incidents
• The combined history of the catholic church in gen. but specifically their enormous historical involvement in perping and suppressing the evidence of their perping pedo activities on orphaned children in their care
• The number of cases world wide but esp. the UK, USA, Canada and historically prominent/important European countries where social services, govt. dept's/agencies/intell./spook, law enforcement have involvement in outright perping and enabling pedo activities for political blackmail and utilisation in ritual abuse scenarios
• The mind blowing series Jan Irving of Gnostic Media has been doing with Steve Outtrim on the dark, occult history of Silicon Valley, the 60s counter culture and Burning Man fest.
• Dave McGowan: "Programmed to Kill", "Weird Scenes inside the Canyon"
• Maury Terry: "Ultimate Evil"
• Jay Dyer: "Esoteric Hollywood: Sex, Cults & Symbols in Film"
• Peter Levenda: "Unholy Alliance", "Sinister Forces" Trilogy:

Sinister Forces - The Nine: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft

Sinister Forces - A Warm Gun: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft

Sinister Forces - The Manson Secret: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft

• Daniel Ryder: "Cover-Up of the Century"
• Linda Blood: "The New Satanists"
• The overwhelming amount of recorded historical evidence indicating the common practice of these types of rituals by similarly positioned social classes then to who it is suspected is perping it today such as but not limited to Marquis de Sade, Vlad III, Gilles de Rais and amongst the lineage of European Black Nobility who knows how many more. I suspect endless amounts all engaged in similar "pastimes" as the above.

When all these pieces of the puzzle are put together the picture is admittedly overwhelming but it is undeniable, incontrovertible and hard to formulate any other poss. explanation other than Satanic Elite parasites who feed off of the combined emotional, spiritual, financial and physical often negative or lower resonance/frequency energy output of the masses of humanity.

It is people who have developed a coherent understanding and ability to recognise the patterns of reoccurrence and familiarity of ritual, circumstance, synchronicity and evidence that are able to look at the modern day evidence contained in PG and draw likely conclusions.

Not y'all who are frankly casual observer/normie citizen criticisers who are out of your depth or agent provocateurs, shills, algorithm programmed bots or corporate narrative control freak/political/ideologically compromised intell./spook operatives - y'all neither have the gumption, perspective or moral fibre to comment and often in many cases I believe intentionally obfuscate and distract due to your complicity.

Um OK so I contribute by writing a rather large amount of txt and a "continue this thread --->" is immediately instated.

I've been wondering for a while now what is the criteria for the utilisation of this function is as it appears routinely applied at fairly pivotal times during thread development/conversations.......are they mod. guided/implemented or what?

Right so I'm pretty convinced there is an algorithm deployed to shape and censor conversation when key words are detected by the implementation of the "continue this thread -------->" link function, yes, unfortunately even here on r/consp.

It removes from superficial perusal of the thread the intended contribution and it also disables the ability to search particular comments by user name.

I realise I'm probs not telling reg. users/many anything new just wanting some confirmation/explanation?

You know what's morbid? Bombing and destroying the middle east for the last 20+ years. Men women and children killed. Families and generations destroyed.. By the same people who fuck and murder infants as part of their privileged leisure.

maybe it's payback? jay parker of youtube says so.....

The court of law owned and operated by the pedophiles who farm infants to be raped, tortured and killed? Nahh not going to bother.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but the entire newswire is lit up over allegations and suspected behavior.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but the entire newswire is lit up over allegations and suspected behavior.

Since when did "allegations and suspected behavior" equal guilt and/or proof of guilt? Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Or does that only apply to those that you approve of?

Nobody said they're guilty. Just suspected.

Nobody said they're guilty. Just suspected.

Yes they did - albeit not literally. This whole narrative is you people's way of pronouncing guilt. You are just a bad as the Main Stream Media. Pack wolves attacking with no proof.

So just to be clear you don't think any of this is strange at all and it's just business as usual?

So just to be clear you don't think any of this is strange at all and it's just business as usual?

It is not Illegal to be "strange". Unwise, perhaps, but not Illegal. If you obtain proof that the law was, in fact, broken then charge them in court. Otherwise this is just elaborate gossip...just like old women.

is this part of your rehabilitation order? (you)

I'm fine gossiping about things I'm interested in. Thanks for your concern.

That's not true. I said they are guilty. All of them.

THANK GOD you are here to defend these people. Such a noble cause. The noblest of causes actually. Who else in the world could possibly need your time defending them more then these poor poor souls. Some of their income may be at stake! Their defense is of import to all of us. One day WE could be called pedophiles by ill informed people that determine all the teen porn on YouPorn is infact pedophilia porn. We must stand together!

It's not proof, but it's also not opinion. You're trying to push a false narrative.

It's not proof, but it's also not opinion. You're trying to push a false narrative.

If something isn't proof then by definition it is opinion. There is no in-between. There is only two things: fact and not fact. The "not fact" is opinion. So your claim that it is not fact but yet not opinion is false. Try to use some elementary logic here. Your whole narrative is for your own self promotion.

Your logic is beyond stupid. It's not an opinion. It's evidence (admittedly circumstantial) that leads to a theory. There's a very large amount of things between proof and opinion.

Except in this case there is no evidence.

There is plenty of evidence. I said it was circumstantial and not proof, but saying there's no evidence is denying reality, and it's a pretty stupid comment to make.

If I say a desk is white, but it is really black, that is not an opinion. It isn't a fact either.

What part of suspected did you not understand

What part of suspected did you not understand

When a party is suspected of something they are not guilty. You seem to believe the reverse. You still don't have facts. What part of that did you miss?

No one said guilty. Visit http://pizzagate.wiki/Main_Page. Those are facts. No smoking gun, but that's what investigations are for.

Go the fuck back to r/politics you fucking idiot.

Such a foul potty mouth. Only losers resort to the use of gutter language when they have nothing else to offer. You lose! Have a nice day.

Who are you, my grandmother? That honestly made me laugh though so thanks.

Cmon man. We all know anyone who swears is automatically lying.

Podesta is not fucking a bunch of kids.

I don't think out works.

Podesta isn't but Skippy might be.

You know what would be really messed up? What if Podesta is a dissociative processed lunatic who doesn't remember ever fucking a kid? What if he actually did it, and he doesn't even know he's the tomato in the mirror?

Wouldn't even be surprised at this point.

that's why i don't hate these people......they didn't choose to become what they are.....

Jesus christ dude grow up

You tell that faggot, stinks

Removed. Rule 4.

Removed. Rule 4.

Was waiting for it.

Jidf cia ctr shareblue pls go

There's the sky, one claims it's blue, the other claims it's gray. Both ask for proof.

http://pizzagate.wiki/Main_Page

You get an up vote for bringing more awareness and creating discussion about #pizzagate.

How does yelling in an echo chamber bring more awareness?

So you think we shouldn't post here? And who said anything about awareness. I said DISCUSSION.

So you think we shouldn't post here?

You could post wherever you want. Who said you couldn't?

And who said anything about awareness.

Earlier that day:

You get an up vote for bringing more awareness

you literally just said:

bringing more awareness

Brave edit. Good on you for owning it.

If more people were capable of such bravery, I feel like the world would be a much nicer place.

😅

Posting your opinion in a logical manner with sources is "screaming" now?

I never said screaming. I said "yelling". Regardless, the sentiment remains the same:

How does repeating something in an echo chamber bring more awareness? It's just and exercise in circle-jerking.

Where's the echo chamber in this thread? I see plenty of discussion on both sides of the theory.

I simply don't believe there are people becoming "aware" of PG thanks to posts like this. Just because there's a "discussion", doesn't mean there's awareness. That's just my opinion, however, and I'm sure people can disagree.

I can see lots of reasons why this post might cause awareness. For one, I imagine many people are scanning this sub right now because of the event in England. Also, the strange nature of the AJ retraction. Not to mention all the weird activity at the Whitehouse this week. And the PG protests. I mean, I hung out here for months while being interested in other subjects, completely refusing to open a PG thread because it sounded so preposterous. Then, I finally did, and set out to debunk. And I can't.

Hopefully that will happen to more people today,

I mean, I hung out here for months while being interested in other subjects, completely refusing to open a PG thread because it sounded so preposterous. Then, I finally did, and set out to debunk. And I can't.

Interesting. I actually came here a lot because of PG. I set out to investigate it, as we can all agree these are serious allegations. Then when I realized every single piece of "evidence" was easily debunked, I tried to point it out to people, but you refuse. Mainly, because PG proponents would rather repeat the same things to each other in an effort to reaffirm what they already believe than actually look at the "evidence" objectively.

What I have found is evidence of a much deeper network. It's terribly convoluted and isn't about just Comet, Besta or Bucks. I'm not even positive that anything particularly nefarious happened there. But there is an undeniable pattern of behavior and expression that leads me to believe this is a small part of a huge network of child trafficking and blackmail.

If you haven't watched 'Conspiracy of Silence,' I highly recommend you do. It details almost exactly what you are talking about. Search for it on YT.

Your comment is evidence that it's not an echo chamber.

[in the voice of Ray Liotta] If this were /r/The_Donald, you'd already be banned.

And the downvotes aren't evidence of anything?

Evidence that some people disagree. That's life.

So if you go and get downvoted in /r/politics, that wouldn't be evidence that /r/politics is an echo chamber? It would just be evidence that people don't agree with you? Got it.

Who posts in that shithole?

People not stuck in an echo chamber.

LOL yeah right. They ban and delete anything posting anything that doesn't go with the liberal agenda. You full of shit cocksucker

Loooool, that place is a massive left wing circle jerk.

Go look at the post about the kid at the protest if you want to see an echo chamber and not an attempt at an actual discussion.

Go look at the post about the kid at the protest if you want to see an echo chamber and not an attempt at an actual discussion.

Said as they forgo an actual discussion to participate in an echo chamber.

/r/conspiracy is nothing but an echo chamber. It's a circlejerk of people reinforcing each other's beliefs. More than that, we are propaganda. We are disinformation. It doesn't matter what is posted on /r/conspiracy that is true, no-one outside of the people who already believe it will believe it because for all the posts about real conspiracies, there are flat Earthers, people who believe in lizard people, or something else ridiculous that discredits the truth. For every 10 people you reach outside of /r/conspiracy, 99% of the time 9 out of 10 ignores it. Because most /r/conspiracy users are locked into this echo chamber that reinforces groupthink, they're totally oblivious to the fact most people outside of this community don't care, nor will they ever care. People are stupid, complacent, easily distracted and diverted. The average person does not give a shit about anything we talk about on this subreddit.

Wait. How am I forgoing an actual discussion? I'm perfectly open to other opinions. Frankly, I'm more interested in how my voat account got compromised while participating in this thread.

it's an echo chamber not because you get down voted for having a dissenting opinion, but because you get banned for it. huge difference.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE....you guys got to switch it up, this community is handing you your ass. Beating your shit posts the fuck up, calling you out, and downvoting you into oblivion. Where is /u/shandrakendrick to back you up?

Edit: Alright, I get it guys. This isn't an echo chamber. You don't have to keep replying with the same thing over and over again. The downvotes and comments have made it abundantly clear that this isn't an echo chamber.

It's amusing to see them create an echochamber in justification of their comments that there is no echochamber.

Yet your post history shows that you comment frequently in this "echo chamber." Odd how that works out doesn't it?

Also, Tony Podesta has a torture vault under his house. This is confirmed in the Podesta emails.

Link ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bq8yi/last_night_was_fun_still_in_torture_chamber_tony/

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I've always had an issue with this one. It could easily be a name for something else work related that he deems to be tortuous.

No fucking way. We know Tony has a vauly under his house for showing 'art'. This vault has never afaik had a picture of it in the public domain. Then he refers to it as a torture room in a private email to his creepy pedocannibal brother. That's pretty obvious, it's not even code like the "pizza" references.

You torture people in your bedroom. There isn't a picture of it in the public domain so who are you to say otherwise

I can take a picture of my room if he can take a picture of his room. Or even better I can give you a tour of my house with a copy of its blueprints for you so you know what I am and am not hiding because if done legally it would show because of permits. So when are you ready for that tour?

I know you conspiracy spergs would call me on this but it's not reasonable at all for any person to have to have public domain access to picture of their private house.

you're right it's not unreasonable. But if you hate the negativeness of everything what's so hard about taking a picture of yourself in the "torture room" if it's nothing? He's done a tour of his house already that's why people already know the "art" he has in his private house so what's so bad about showing them this one more room?

Because it his house and he has no need to entertain overzealous children on the internet

Again it's already on the internet. Just not this one room. But good point none the less

What's on the internet? A bunch of children who wanted every moment to hate Hillary who then extrapolated a massive hilariously retarded conspiracy theory?

Actually no. I'm in search of any kind of truth because people said the emails were fake, then it became they were hacked by a lone hacker, then all of a sudden it became the Russians and its a act of war. But if it's that serious why are the contents not being discussed even more? We're going to war for fake and then hacked emails? Like wow I'm sorry for being concerned and wanting these emails and their contents investigated by other people then fake ass Comey.

I don't. I also don't have an underground vault which I refer to as a torture room, collect creepy pedo art, or have a child torturing brother.

That's a lot of speculation there

Not really. 2 of the are open facts.

I bet you they blast disturbing audio and display weird ass videos on the 4 walls/screens while terrorizing kids similar to that "You think you're hot shit dontcha" video.

all part of the programming MKUltra style.....

There's a picture here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2014/04/03/tony-podesta-divorce-filing-wife-heather-podesta-tried-to-embarrass-and-harass/

Why do you think the email refers to the video showcase room?

Thanks, i had not seen that. Looks like a perfect torture chamber, designed to be easily hoseable.

What? No it doesn't. Every room I've ever been in that's designed to be hosed down has drains. Where's the drain?

Out of frame i imagine.

i imagine.

And that's the crux of this issue. It's all in the imaginations of PG proponents.

Tell me, if I wanted to collect modern art and I wanted to build a room to display a complicated video art piece (maybe like this one), would I be suspected of being a pedophile, too?

This is beyond reaching. You're accusing someone of one of the worst crimes imaginable based on nothing. It's sick.

If you had all of the other weird pedo-adjacent connections to your life, then yea 100%. But if you were just an average normal person who collects art, then no not at all. And even if you were still accused, you'd be easily able to disprove any of the theories by telling people exactly which parts of their theories are misconceptions. Unlike what Podesta did which was just call everyone crazy and provide zero evidence to the contrary.

Connecting the dots involves some imagination, doesn't mean you're inherently wrong just because you don't have proof of fact. Stay skeptical of the claims, sure. But don't dismiss everyone because of a few people that make huge claims based on pretty big leaps of assumptions.

Tell me, if I wanted to collect modern art and I wanted to build a room to display a complicated video art piece (maybe like this one), would I be suspected of being a pedophile, too?

Only if you're the brother of another well known pedophile, refer to your vault as a torture chamber, and collect "art" that prominently features children being abused. That's beautiful, btw.

This is a perfect example of the bizarre thinking surrounding this. There must be a drain because you've already decided there is a drain, therefore the room with no visible drain is perfect for torture because you can imagine a drain being there.

You can only see a fraction of the floor, it's just as fallacious to assume there isn't a drain. Also, we know that Tony thinks of it as a torture vault, so since we already know the purpose it's only logical to assume the infrastructure exists.

All you do is assume the conclusion and then "prove it" with the conclusion you've already assumed.

Look, I believe that Tony Podesta is a child-torturing monster; there's no way he doesn't know about John, and I've already seen the video of John torturing a child. Given what I know, and given this private email to John where Tony Podesta refers to a torture room it's hard to draw any other conclusions. You are, of course, free to disagree.

You've assumed he is a monster. So John must be assumed to be a monster too. So any monstrous assumption you want to make based on any evidence, no matter how flimsy, is simply true.

Jesus dude. You really need to work on your reality testing.

I'VE SEEN THE VIDEO OF JOHN TORTURING A CHILD.

Wut?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u4qaf/john_podesta_is_the_man_from_the_torture_video/

So your a voice expert now? Maybe a few of those should weigh in before you believe an internet rumor.

Were you at the protest?

To be fair, drains are pretty standard in a subterranean room. I mean, they can flood otherwise.

Maybe it's designed to be wet-vacuumed instead, for tidier disposal of evidence.

I mean, don't most basements have drains? This is sort of a silly argument. I guess someone can look up city code, but there has to be a way to get water out of the basement in the event of a flood, right?

Why is it important for the room to be hoseable?

innocent blood smells bad......

If he had an actual torture chamber, he probably wouldn't call it a "torture chamber". Seems pretty sloppy for a guy with elaborate pizza codes, right?

Well, it was in a private email to his brother, he probably didn't plan on it going public.

If he didn't take that into consideration, that basically makes him the world's dumbest psychopath. Even calling it something like the "Red Room" would have been more subtle

The whole point is that these rich pedos believe they're above the law. And so far, they're right.

They make jokes about pedophilia

Uhh... None of the "sources" are jokes about pedophilia.

They make jokes about pedophilia

Uhh... None of the "sources" are jokes about pedophilia.

Edit: lol... less than a minute after posting this and I'm already getting downvoted. PG proponents hate when their bullshit is pointed out. How do you guys find time to downvote me while saving all those imaginary children's lives? I thought you were going to be at the march today.

You're right they're not funny at all.

... or about pedophilia

Stop being such a hotard

/u/WisdomModifier You are quickly becoming my favorite hash-tagger #hotard

@/u/WisdomModifier

Kill yourself, seriously

Are you trying to make it look like WisdomModifier stepped out of line by making an outré comment that the mods admonished? I can't imagine what productive purpose a comment like yours would have, so I went for considering more unusual tactics.

Some people are just toxic. I would just report and move on. I don't see what good can come of engaging someone like that.

In this case, I reported, then stopped realizing that just reporting and moving on would construct a misleading structure in the comment thread. So I made a comment to spike the potential tactic without requiring the mods to leave in a "kill yourself, seriously".

I thought about that, too. But even if you point it out, the comment structure still looks bad for PG proponents.

The only comment responding to mine is an insult. Nobody's responding to my comment directly. Even you're more worried about how this might make another PG proponent look bad, than you are about the facts.

Too far, buddy.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted at all. It is absolutely true that "#hotard" was not used to describe the baby in the picture. It should be welcomed people pointing out weak evidence so we stop using it and focus on the stronger coincidences/circumstantial evidence. We can only investigate and theorize with what we have and although there is plenty in the instagram picture this is a case of a misunderstanding.

Care to explain away the chicken lover photo? I guess he was talking about poultry?

I explained it to someone else:

That's a picture of his friend and his god-daughter. Have you tried searching for "chickenlovers" on instagram? There are plenty of pictures that don't include chickens, yet (strangely enough) don't reference pedophila either.

Even if we go by the definition given in the picture (that it means a gay man who loves younger boys), the picture is of a married man and his daughter. So is his daughter also a gay man that loves younger boys? Or is it referecing the married man gay boy-loving his daughter? It makes no sense. Or they like chicken... Hmm...

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/61fxp0/understanding_pizz4g8te_james_alefantis_john/dfehdse/

Pedo says what?

But it's just art and jokes and friends. It's not like their whole lives revolve around this thing or anything.

Too bad the rest of us aren't cool enough to appreciate the weirdness.

We must just be unsophisticated.

A lot of you are, yes.

Crap. What finishing school do I go to to enhance my appreciation of the finer points of spirit cooking dinners, cannibalism and depraved art featuring tortured children?

No, it's just equating 'spirit cooking' with satanism/cannibalism shows a fundemental misunderstanding of an art form and a clear lack of sophistication. Let me ask you this, do you think Metallica's 'Load' and 'Reload' are. concept albums about satanism and child abuse? Because going by their 'spirit cooking' album covers this subs belief that all things spirit cooking is evil, you would have to.

Just that you read that and saw that I said anything about Satanism shows that your reading comprehension needs some work.

I think a lot of bands pop occult symbolism in their work for merchandising. Not all occult references are nefarious. But we are talking about a ring of people that have an incredible amount of power and appear to be obsessed with depravity.

And have known pedophile, rapist friends.

Please explain to me how to appreciate this as a form of art? How is this art? I think you are experiencing a fundamental misunderstanding of a decent life form.

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/sc3.jpg

A dailystormer link lol

It's a photo. Does it matter where it came from?

never been called out on a .jpg before. Cheers, m8 - gr8 is the r8

growabrain.png

the rich and the depraved......

fundemental misunderstanding of an art form

So now a subjective belief on what is and isn't art is an objective truth to be learned through higher education? Call it art if you want, it is still repulsive and offensive and meant to be destroyed by other people. Furthermore, people who appreciate this art will be harassed and ridiculed by people who are offended by it. Many people believe Marquis de Sade should be celebrated as a great liberal artist. Others will always believe he is the antithesis of sickening depravity.

What's so satanic about blood and pee on an album cover? "Smell the glove"

Penn State

Boy's Town. A Haitian orphanage, maybe.

Hogwarts you muggles!

A distinct possibility. In my day it was The Secret Garden or Night at the Museum.

i'm 52 years old......in my day it was the partridge family!

I'm 46. Do you remember that aisle of picture frame collages at Kmart or Walgreens or whatever your store was when you were a kid?

black birds of tacoma.....no big box store when i was a kid.....

Do you remember the picture frame aisle? All those collage frames with pictures of kids?

no....i'm too autistic to note other people....

I don't think you understand art.

Art had to be corrupted. Why, if it stood for truth, that would be a disaster! Even allowing it to stand for beauty was too much. No, that couldn't be allowed. It had to go. Art had to become something else.

Dude, it's the same thing as highqualitygifs. Starts out really cool and innovative. After awhile, you run out of new shit to say and everything becomes meta and you start doing stupid shit that doesn't make sense.

People being offended by art and destroying it and ridiculing and destroying the related artists are artists themselves. The repulsion to depraved art IS art.

sure sure

I am fucking deadly serious. The destruction of what people deem evil is considered the highest form of art to many many people.

Hey I used to do a ton of drugs, so I understand.

You don't actually understand. The drugs didn't help you.

That must be it.

If you take art that literally, then you definitely might be.

AJ just denied everything because of a lawsuit. He fully still believes everything

The important thing that we know he doesn't believe, is that the accusations can be defended in court as reasonable suspicion. Which has been my interpretation as well, and it's why I don't believe the theory.

Some theorize he doesn't want to go to court because his identity as Bill Hicks would come out.

My theory is that it's bullshit, and that he doesn't want to go to court because it won't hold up.

Indeed I was just offering another point of view. I personally believe he got sued by James Alefantis and doesn't want to mess with the legal trouble of actually being sued for slander. But in the spirit of tinfoil he could of also been threatened. Alefantis has shown that he will threaten folks already. If you remember the case of the guy who made the pegasus museum video. He eventually got a federal investigation into the threats made from alefantis from his verified facebook.

Evidence which also discredits the notion of conspiracy, since a man selling children to federal politicians would have other channels than facebook harassment from his personal account.

At this point I'm very skeptical.

Right.. evidence of him threatening someone over that very topic somehow discredits him? This all happened after he identified where the killroom was in a video. Whether you believe his evidence or not is up for debate sure. But saying that online threats and text messages that he verified then went to file a police report on is hardly discrediting the notion of alefantis threatening someone.

It is much easier to argue that the evidence is faked than to say evidence shows that he is innocent.. Are you saying all of a sudden his outrage and threats at this one guy show organic feelings of disgust by being accused of a pedophile? Where was this anger when it first started.

Edit: So I would say evidence of threatening one person would lead me to at least entertain the Idea it happened in this situation. The threat could of been very different such as a huge financial legal battle he wouldn't want to be a part of just because of expense. But it looks like AJ is controlled opposition more and more each day.

It discredits the notion of conspiracy, it doesn't discredit the notion he's doing something illegal.

I see what you mean there I just see it a different way. But you have reminded me not to get sucked in by confirmation bias.

He may well just be a small time pedo that hosted a couple parties. But his strange political connections just make me feel otherwise. Thanks for your comment.

You can find Alex Jones' divorce records online. You can find other legal documents online pertaining to Alex E. Jones. He is not Bill Hicks. Unless, of course, the CIA falsified all of those records.

he does look a lot like beau bridges.....sounds like him to....

So he destroys the root of his credibility which is the source of his financial success to avoid a lawsuit that threatens his finances? No. The guy just met the actual force he's believed he had been empowered to topple. And it showed him who is boss. This isn't about a lawsuit. it's about the power they have using law AND ruthlessness to not only destroy him but torture him in ways he never believed possible. I mean psychologically, physically through his family, friends. We are talking about him alone attempting to stand up against a system that farms infants to be raped, tortured and murdered. What is Alex Jones going to do against that? Shoot it? Barricade himself in the studio and defeat world militaries? Sorry guys the people who control Alex at this point will press a button and vaporize millions in nuclear fire as a simple reminder of who's in control when and if needed. Alex is a weak link in the offense against that and now it can't be denied.

Ironically you defeat your own argument. You just said he destroyed his credibility. Yet you are here defending his credibility by excusing it because he ran up against the powerful whatever. So clearly he could do it to avoid a lawsuit without destroying his credibility nor his financial success. You just showed us how that would work.

You just said he destroyed his credibility. Yet you are here defending his credibility by excusing it because he ran up against the powerful whatever.

Are you that invested in Alex Jones' statement on Pedophile Alefantis? I'm not. But i am interested in what it is that Alex Jones can do exactly.. Please explain.

He can do anything he wants. I'm explaining what he's doing. He's behaving as if he's dodging a law suit. The "powers that be" didn't whack him when he was a relative unknown exposing the truth about 9-11.

So how does dodging a lawsuit help him?

Really? If you lose a suit the punishment is almost always monetary.

So.. completely destroying the credibility (false or not) that your entire financial success stems from is a good way to avoid an expensive lawsuit? Ok.

You are defending his credibility if you claim he will lose it. You can't have it both ways.

How am i defending his credibility? I am saying his followers FOLLOW him and make him money because they BELIEVE him. So coming out and begrudgingly making a statement because of pressure from Alefentis, or whatever the clown's name is destroys his business. Whereas a lawsuit would EMBOLDEN him and have his supporters doubling down buying super male vitality.

You can't have it both ways. If it's all about money then he just destroyed his long game.

I have you tagged as "Truly fucking nuts". You have earned your title once again!

Oh my goodness what will i ever do!

Sorry guys the people who control Alex at this point will press a button and vaporize millions in nuclear fire as a simple reminder of who's in control when and if needed.

wat

alefantis is powerful, well connected and protected. Of course he's going to use to his status and the legal system to protect his sick illegal activities. AJ was always hesitant about zoning in on alefantis for some reason. The CIA theory makes the most sense to me.

Has anybody figured out why he is powerful yet?

Maybe he is the connection between them all and that's what makes him so powerful? He has the blackmail?

Conjecture

Well yeah that's why I said maybe..

Sorry I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious as to why GQ featured him in their top fifty

Oh I am also very curious. I just wanted to give my opinion! All good! Peace and love

One theory is his dad is CIA so he's in the CIA family. Another theory is CPP is like an Epstein gig, but definitely has clinton stink all over it. So if your pizza place facilitates satanic ritualistic child abuse for luciferian elites that would be a pretty big revelation to the common american. probably would cause an uprising and CIA isn't too keen on empowering the people.

I personally kind of blend the two theories.

that he's a Rothschild?

AJ didn't want to be outed as BH in court

haha. the mother of all conspiracies!. the similarities in the face are pretty crazy.

They have the same mole placement same teeth. Same manager, appeared same year Hicks died. Hicks misspoke in one of his final stand up shows and said his name was Al and then he caught himself and stopped.

interesting, I haven't looked into much. thanks for the info.

Please look into it. It's complete garbage. This is just yet another disinformation operation against Jones and the "skeptics" in here will leave it alone because it's probably they who are posting the garbage theories about Jones under other accounts. In case you didn't know, Alex Jones is also a Jew and anti-semitic, depending on which disinformation persona you are talking to. Jones might be a shady businessman, a CIA agent, or Bill Hicks. The list keeps going, there's no proof of any of it, and the "skeptics" won't call these theories out for how many holes are in them. Don't fall for it, and that is coming from a person who doesn't like infowars. It's just annoying to see so many people blindly lap up this garbage and thanking people for the "information."

Same moles and teeth seem like some proof to me...

well, sorry my style isn't "shitting on a commentor" I didn't say i believed anything.. the censoring is what i'll shit on.

Seeing that there was a 500,000+ lawsuit against his former boyfriend who recently had a heart attack, it's safe to say this isn't just some run of the mill pizza owner.

That was his boyfriend?!! hahahaha WTF. I am out of the loop with this because my gut from day one is this pizza fool is a PEON who will be hung out to dry in the context of the real evil behind it all. Unreal.

Just listened. He clearly is under attack from lawyers, his own and others. But he actually didnt deny everything. Just apologized to Alefantis, comet ping pong and associates. Give it another listen if you dont believe me.

Id still avoid Jones, but dont make it something its not.

yeah, ya know, 'cause it's always funny when you decide after a long day at work if you are going to play dominoes on a cheese or a pasta.

Don't know about you, but I'm devastated when I think someone sent me a pizza in the mail and open the box and find out it's not pizza. But then I'm super grateful when it turns out to be delightful pasta instead!

Nobody talked about getting pizza in the mail. You're just spreading disinformation.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613

How is that email weird? They've emailed each other before about playing dominoes. I have older family members who love to play dominoes, too. I've played domino's with them myself. They treat it almost like a sport.

He's clearly talking in sports analogies (which is common with gaming in general).

Hey dude, Great DotA game last week. I just got your Christmas gift of Fritos and Red-Bull instead of your usual gift of a six pack of beer and a pizza. Are you ready for a rematch? Do you think I'll play better on Fritos and Red-bull?

What the fuck is weird about that? You would rather believe that this old dude is talking about raping little children?

I would rather believe that this is all made up nonsense, but I just can't. Sure, lots of older people play dominoes, but they don't email each other in creepy pedo code. It's not even natural language. I challenge you to find an email from your grandparents that sounds this cryptic and strange.

I'm not trying to change your mind. Think what you want. But I'm grateful for threads like this that possibly will lead others to look at the evidence and make their own decision. Telling people not to look and simply ignore the possibility seems like a disservice.

What creepy pedo code? People are just claiming "cheese" and "pasta" are somehow pedophilia related with 0 evidence.

How do you explain this?

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@gizmosia/bananas-wrapped-in-ham-cheese-sauce-luzzatto-kids-for-hot-tubs-warning-for-sensitive-viewers

Explain what? Someone just put a bunch of meaningless highlights and red arrows around a bunch of photos of pretty happy looking kids along with decontenxtualized text that doesn't say anything about anything resembling abuse.

Ok.

It's well known...

Why do you care what he believes? Honestly, what is it about pizzagate.. over the millions of other things people believe that you don't, that compels you to argue against it? Don't tell me you don't care and that you aren't arguing about it's validity. You are. So why?

It's interesting to me, I like to call out bullshit, and I like to write.

What's interesting to me is you are more interested in the Podestas then you are of investigating the potential of a powerful infant/child rape, torture murder ring associated with high profile people in positions of power and influence in the United States (and the world). You choose to spend your time calling out bullshit on calls to investigate a bunch of fucking weirdos. I mean hey.. believe whatever. But you are actually putting your own time and face to this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

https://i.imgflip.com/1m3d3n.jpg

I mostly stopped arguing against the validity of pizzagate because I don't think anyone is gonna change their opinion on the subject in either direction.

Regardless, if you personally see PG as a concerted effort by supporters of Donald Trump (the most powerful man in the world) to demonize his political opposition with spurious child rape accusations, well then, it seems like something worth pushing back against.

Again, I don't feel like actually arguing about PG itself, but I find it super annoying how PG proponents always try to shut down critics like this while totally overlooking the actual reason people have to be critical. It's always "If you accept my construction that PG is totally apolitical and well-intentioned and ignore the fact that these accusations always seem to be pointed at Trump critics, what possible reason could you have to argue against me!?"

Also, the whole Helen Lovejoy "won't somebody think of the children!" act is super irritating when you suspect the people saying it are just using kids as a political cudgel.

To be honest i really haven't spent the amount of time you personally have with Pizzagate. I do absolutely believe the few victims that have been able to come forward describing an extremely sick, powerful human trafficking/pedophile torture murder ring. It follows reason that people that use violent domination without empathy to control societies would use this as a means of defeating empathy in themselves to foster sociopathic mentality required to be the top dog.

Reasonably explain the following:

1. Childless homosexual chooses Antinous as his avatar
2. Childless homosexual uploads this photo. http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/chicken-lovers-618x332.png
3. College dropout opens a pizza shop and becomes 49th most powerful person in DC?
4. Being invited to a 'spirit cooking' in a private residence, not as a part of some art. What does a private spirit cooking look like? Here's what it looks like when they are pretending (to eat people). http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/sc3.jpg

1. Antinous has been a gay icon for years. I mean, even if you don't know the history, the statue is clearly of a young man and not of a child.

2. That's a picture of his friend and his god-daughter. Have you tried searching for "chickenlovers" on instagram? There are plenty of pictures that don't include chickens, yet (strangely enough) don't reference pedophila either.

   Even if we go by the definition given in the picture (that it means a gay man who loves younger boys), the picture is of a married man and his daughter. So is his daughter also a gay man that loves younger boys? Or is it referecing the married man gay boy-loving his daughter? It makes no sense. Or they like chicken... Hmm...

3. Since when is GQ a reliable source of who's really powerful? Since when have college dropouts been barred from success? Since when does becoming "powerful" mean you are a pedophile?

4. What? Art can't take place in a private residence? The man displays art in his private residence all the time. It's one of the things he's known for. It's referenced in this thread multiple times. What evidence do you have that it wasn't part of some art?

   And who cares what "spirit cooking" looks like. As long as they're not breaking any laws, we live in a country where we have the freedom of speech. I've seen more disturbing "art" come from comedy music groups.

1. Antinous is the icon of pederasty, immoral sexual indulgence, and idolatry. Hadrian took him as his servant when he was 12 years old and began to rape him. Read more books.

http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-11-at-6.02.59-PM-1.png

1. Now that I have educated you on Antinous and the underlying meaning behind the deification of Antinous, you can clearly see the intent of chicken lover hash tag. Mental gymnastics will not increase your ability to think.

2. I would say that GQ is a solid source on a lot of things. Drop outs are not barred from success but being 49th most powerful person in a town where 100 Senators live is a bit beyond successful for a guy who runs a pizza shop. How much money do you think a person can net in one year running a pizza shop in Washington DC?

3. Partaking in a 'spirit cooking' in a private residence is beyond suspect. I don't care what it looks like, and don't particularly care when this is done in the context of an exhibition. Lady GaGa licks fake blood off a real person submerged in a vat of more fake blood. People take pictures and think they are cool and edgy. Everyone wins. Taking this shit inside someone's house? If this doesn't sound a little past bizarre, I can't help you. Some people don't want leaders who think pretending to eat people is art. Who knew?

1. Antinous has never been considered an icon of pederasty (except by PG sickos). It's why you only link to the wiki screenshot and the article itself. It doesn't mention anything about pederasty. Furthermore, even your own link shows that he was between the ages of 12 and 18. The only people emphasizing pedophilia are PG proponents. Nobody else claims that. It's sick that all you can think about is pedophilia everywhere you turn.

2. Again, you don't provide evidence for shit. You're telling me that I have to take your made-up claim about Antinous and apply it to an instagram picture of the guy's friend and god-daughter to turn it into some kind of weird reference to his straight friend gay-boy-loving his daughter. And I'm the one practicing gymnastics?

3. For the sake of argument, let's assume he did shady shit to become so "powerful". How does this relate to pedophilia, cannibalism, or satanism?

4. It wasn't just any private residence. It was the private residence of the artists herself. She was inviting them to come to a spirit cooking in her house. How the fuck is that strange? Furthermore, these aren't our elected officials. I don't give a shit what kind of art they're into. I don't give a shit if they listen to Die Anwoord or listen to GWAR or watch South Park. We live in a country that values freedom of speech.

Oh, and you can keep the numbering by putting a space before your link. It will then become part of #1, and the next point will be #2.

1. The person who wrote the foremost work on the lives of Hadrian and Antinous had this to say about the sculpture.

Lambert believed that the sculptures of Antinous "remain without doubt one of the most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love of the whole ancient world" It's literally in the Wikipedia entry. Read more. Talk less. He is an icon for boy lovers aka pedo rapers.

1. It's not evidence. It's a fact. The hash tag speaks for itself. This is a man who, like Hadrian and countless other 'leaders' before him throughout the eons of history, preferred to fuck kids. They are sick, evil cowards.

2. For the sake of argument, you could quit avoiding the many questions I have put to you. Shady shit + Antinous + chickenlover = ?? Why do you want it to be false so bad? It's true.

3. If I have to explain to you the specifics of how sinking somebody in a vat of fake blood and pretend to eat them is weird, I don't have the time. It's one of those self-evident truths. Do you even know what spirit cooking is? Literally gizz, piss, breast milk, and blood. Do some real research.

"hey guys, cum over 2nite - we r gonna drink piss and cum. round 8 sound good?"

Random dude on reddit

WHAT'S SO FUCKING WEIRD ABOUT THAT?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA - Here is a video since you seem to struggle doing even cursory research. I figured picture form would be more suitable.

FRESH MORNING URINE SPRINKLE OVER NIGHTMARE

Doing this kind of shit in your house isn't fucking weird? God, help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E

edit - did it again, fuk it

1. Then why do books about pedophilia note the "chicken lover" as code?

Then why do books about pedophilia note the "chicken lover" as code?

I don't know what books reference this, but maybe because words can be used differently depending on context?

Again, if we go by the definition given (that it's a gay man that loves young boys), then who was the hashtag referring to? It's clearly plural. One of the subjects is a married man and the other is his daughter. How does the definition provided by PG proponents make more sense than if we interpret the hashtag like we do on all the other instagram pictures that use the hashtag? As an innocent comment on loving chicken? I've even seen chicken lover's pizza, similar to "meat lovers" pizza (or can that only be a sexual reference, too?).

This book. Page 16. Enjoy.

And he's clearly talking about himself in as member of "chicken lovers." This isn't genius level stuff, guys, come on.

So you're just going to ignore the rest of my post? I said I didn't know of which books. Not that they don't exist. I addressed your point.

I did address your point. You said, "it's plural so who can he possibly be talking about" and I answered.

No one talks like that

One does not simply play dominoes ON pizza or pasta.

No mention of pizza in that email.

As I noted.

You edited your comment.

I thought I got it in before the cutoff. I'll note the edit.

People are serious right now bro, don't mess around with that edit button.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but that email seems to be describing getting an unexpected Christmas gift basket of cheeses instead of the normal pasta and sauces gift baskets of previous years?

I'm devastated when I think someone sent me a pizza in the mail

I didn't say that anyone said anything about getting pizza in the mail

You know these posts are written down, right? Everyone can see you lying.

There is 0 mention of pizza there.

Or maybe you'd prefer to spend $25000 on hot dogs?

The problem with pizzagate is that you're taking a look at ten or twenty years out of a person's life and you're picking the one or two instances of them doing those things.

You look over every piece of communication for a few years and you'll find something that will support any narrative. That's one of the big reasons people are so concerned about modern surveillance.

every piece of communication

You believe people have access to every piece of communication from these pedos?

We've got enough for liars with an agenda to paint them as pedos, and there are enough gullible people not thinking for themselves that they eat it up.

I misread part of your original message. I know these people are full on sick and twisted pedophiles. And i don't mean pedophilia as practiced simply for sexual pleasure. It's way worse.

find a real victim

Watch march 21st Dr Phil. You'll deny deny deny.

Even Alex Jones knew the accusations weren't defensible.

haha ok.

Watch march 21st Dr Phil. You'll deny deny deny.

What? They had a victim of the Podestas, James Alefantis, and/or the Clintons? I would think witness testimony against the accused would be enough to warrant an investigation.

There aren't multiple high profile rings. There is one. So yes.. this victim was born into the ring that is at the heart of pizza/pedogate. There is one ring with high profile people. There is competing rings that don't know about each other. There is one.

None of the people you're slandering were mentioned in that episode.

Are you spreading disinfo intentionally? If so, what's your agenda?

I thought you meant any victim of the very ring that is at the heart of pizzagate. So you want a victim of Podesta to come forward? How do you suppose that will happen and why?

Do you have proof that everything the victim on the Dr Phil show asserted is false? That any of it is false? Why do you spend time adamantly defending suspected pedophiles?

I thought you meant any victim of the very ring that is at the heart of pizzagate.

Are you denying the fact that your citation doesn't link the pizzagate scandal to that victim?

Why do you spend time adamantly defending suspected pedophiles?

Better question: why are you spending so much time vehemently supporting false rape accusations.

I'm basically calling you out for false rape accusations, and your response is that because rape happens, that's the rape you're talking about.

Nice try, but you started out attacking specific people. There are already organizations and movements to help victims of human trafficking.

You want to join them and focus on cases that get ignored by authorities, then that's one thing.

You want to accuse specific individuals and then broaden your scope when people point out you're making false rape accusations, you're deliberately endorsing that methodology.

Are you denying the fact that your citation doesn't link the pizzagate scandal to that victim?

Are you denying the fact that the system/cabal/ring that the victim were apart of is the exact same ring that is at the heart of pizzagate/pedogate?

Better question: why are you spending so much time vehemently supporting false rape accusations.

You believe they are false. not me.

Your response is that because rape happens, that's the rape you're talking about.

No that's not my response. I am asking you to test your reason by explaining how a system/ring as described by the victim in Dr Phil could exist alongside other rings of this size and power. If you can't then you should conclude that the ring is the same as the pizzagate/pedogate ring for which and investigation is being called for.

There are already organizations and movements to help victims of human trafficking.

Name them. The one's that are about HELPING THE VICTIMS but focus on investigating and exposing the root ring (as described by the victim on Dr Phil) so as to END the victimization.

You want to join them and focus on cases that get ignored by authorities, then that's one thing.

Yes exactly. The one's where judges, police, FBI are implicated.

You want to accuse specific individuals and then broaden your scope when people point out you're making false rape accusations, you're deliberately endorsing that methodology.

False infant rape? It's not false. Did you watch the Dr Phil episode?

feel free to go to voat.

You go to voat you pathetic pedo sympathizer. You'll get no quarter from me you stupid cunt.

Look, you could end this argument by posting any proof.

Do you have any proof that the pedo ring you're talking about is connected to the men in the title, or are you falsly accusing them of rape?

You could end it to by proving to me they aren't full on raging pedophiles.

Do you have any proof that the pedo ring you're talking about is connected to the men in the title, or are you falsly accusing them of rape?

I'm accusing them of child and infant rape. I'm not obligated to provide proof. THEY find themselves in this predicament. Not me. I don't have any care for them. They seem like fucking sick individuals obsessed with things that disgust me. Power, manipulation, fake politics. So when i hear they are pedophiles it rings 100% true to me. Anything else?

I never said you couldn't make false rape accusations, I only pointed out that you were doing it. And I understand, it's a historically-proven way to smear political figures you disagree with.

You don't need to provide any proof at all. If you had any proof, it wouldn't be a false rape accusation.

I never said you couldn't make false rape accusations

I never said i was. I am making a statement with regards to what i know to be true.

I only pointed out that you were doing it.

You pointed out your belief. And i've corrected you.

And I understand, it's a historically-proven way to smear political figures you disagree with.

Political figures? You think i give a shit about their failed political ambitions? It's all about the infant raping with that crew. They have zero real political impact. They are peon bitches under full control.

You don't need to provide any proof at all. If you had any proof, it wouldn't be a false rape accusation.

And so it isn't.

With regards to stuff you're making up, you mean.

Accusations with regards to stuff you're making up, you mean.

About the Podestas being child rapists?

I'm sure a lot of false rape accusers believe in their heads that what they say is true.

That's what most rapists say

Yes.

That's what most rapists say

I'm sure most everybody would say it. Rapists breathe air too.

Yep. You're making it up, there's no evidence.

Except all the obvious evidence that scares the living shit out of people who sit and watch 'teen' porn all day fed to them by the very power structure that rapes infants on an institutional level.

Rapists breathe air too.

Infant rapists involved with pedogate won't be breathing anything but dirt soon enough.

The obvious evidence you made up? Playing the "for the children" card doesn't turn lies into truth. Fearmongering is not a replacement for critical thinking. It's the opposite.

Playing the "for the children" card

Some people actually care about people. I understand that's hard to understand from someone who likely sits and jerks off to illegal porn all day. Children are actual people that are born of absolute innocence and goodness. When you hook yourself up to the dehumanization regime of Youporn etc. you end up like yourself. Completely disconnected from reality with a permanently damaged capacity for empathy. Stay in your safe place and make value judgements. Knowing that if you ever met a person like me and talk the way you do you won't be given a chance to change your mind. Keep being tough. Your complicity is SHINING through bright and clear.

Fearmongering is not a replacement for critical thinking

You know what else isn't? Consciously downplaying the atrocity and it's effect on all of society. You must be afraid of this if you are labeling what's being presented as "fearful". What you're afraid of is facing the truth of your own complicity. You'll be defending it all the way down into your own personal hell.

You don't care enough about people to actually consider whether or not the things you say about them are true.

Tell me, when's the last time you did any volunteer work? Actually helped somebody.

Is it "never"? I've put together computers for charity, manned a soup kitchen, volunteered for a suicide hotline. I'm going to spend a good portion of next week cleaning up a public park in Canada. I donate 10% of my income to doctors without borders.

And what have you done? You're on the internet bragging about how smug you feel for accusing people of being child rapists, despite a having no evidence connecting them to any crime.

You're happy to hurt people with no proof of guilt because you want to be a hero without actually putting any effort into it. You don't have the moral high ground here. You're just pushing somebody else's propaganda because it hit you in the feels, when you don't care about the reals.

Well, congratulations on being an ignorant finger-pointer.

I'm not going to be arguing with you this afternoon, because I have to gather some stuff for this week. If you need me I'll be in reality, doing some real good.

I've put together computers for charity, manned a soup kitchen, volunteered for a suicide hotline. I'm going to spend a good portion of next week cleaning up a public park in Canada. I donate 10% of my income to doctors without borders.

Why on earth would you feel SO compelled to tell me what a great person you are?

You're on the internet bragging about how smug you feel for accusing people of being child rapists, despite a having no evidence connecting them to any crime.

Am I? Seems to me I'm engaged in fruitless bickering with a deluded fool.

You're happy to hurt people with no proof of guilt because you want to be a hero without actually putting any effort into it.

Who is it I'm hurting? This is it big boy. We are about to uncover your actual motivations. Can you take the step? You are MORE compelled to defend the Podestas than spend time raising awareness for things they are accused of. The worse crimes imaginable. That's what you are doing. And then you try and paint yourself as a good person when we get close to the actual sick reality behind your motivation. I don't care about the Podestas. I don't know them. You are hell bent on convincing me they are good people, not only is there no proof but that victims are lying about child/infant rape in general. You're all mixed up in your head and it's because of what YOU DO. Not me. Not "pizzagate". Not my opinions of the podestas weirdos or Alefantis.

You're just pushing somebody else's propaganda because it hit you in the feels, when you don't care about the reals.

Says another mindless victim of Internet porn who's unknowingly given themselves to the sickest propaganda of all. So brainwashed that victimization has turned into defense of victimization.

If you need me I'll be in reality, doing some real good.

I can only hope that's true. Do it for yourself. Not me.

Do it for yourself. Not me.

Wow.

Podestas are pedophiles. Everyone knows it. Everyone. keep working that impossible mission. it's so satisfying!

Have you watched it?

Haha, you mean you haven't? No, that episode you cited does not have any link to pizzagate.

What would you consider to be a credible victim?

Wake up, dude. I'm talking about the credibility of his argument, not the victim.

The people named in pizzagate were not accused in that video.

So you assert there is ANOTHER pedo ring as powerful and organized as the one the victim describes on the Dr Phil episode? Pizzagate/pedogate refers to a different ring?

I'm asking what evidence you have to say that James Alefantis, John Podesta, and Tony Podesta are raping children?

As far as I can see, trying to tie them to this alleged pedo ring is just a false rape accusation. Do you have evidence that the men in the title of this post have commited acts of rape, or are you attempting to fabricate a connection?

I'm asking what evidence you have to say that James Alefantis, John Podesta, and Tony Podesta are raping children?

We aren't in court here boss. So.. unless you have some evidence proving they aren't then we might have found ourselves in a stalemate. Sorry if you don't want to hear that. But in the court of public opinion they are sick weirdo pedophiles who like to hang out with the same.

or are you attempting to fabricate a connection

I'm not attempting anything.

So... are you asserting there is ANOTHER pedo ring as powerful and organized as the one the victim describes on the Dr Phil episode?

We aren't in court here boss.

And I'm not a judge; I didn't ask if you had sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. I asked if you had evidence that you weren't making false rape accusations.

So... are you asserting there is ANOTHER pedo ring as powerful and organized as the one the victim describes on the Dr Phil episode?

No. I'm not commenting on that at all, and it should have been clear from my comment. Do you need me to make things simpler for you to understand?

I asked if you had evidence that you weren't making false rape accusations.

I'm not making false rape accusations. And if you think i am go and cry to someone that gives a shit. I'm telling you Podestas are infant raping pedophiles that are going down.

No. I'm not commenting on that at all

yes you are. You are saying the Dr Phil episode is not linked to pizza/pedogate. I am telling you it is. So produce your proof or even present me with your reasoning with regards to how they possibly can't be related.

Do you need me to make things simpler for you to understand?

No it's ok. If playing retard helps with your delusion than go ahead.

If this is True (I am believing it is) I seriously doubt there are any victims alive. It's a horrible thought, but a big possibility, especially if ritualistic in nature. My thought is only children of the powerful/connected would be allowed to live if they experienced something like this. IMO.

Shhhhhh. Go back to sleep.

Its a matter of time berore trump brings all these pervs down!! the swamp is draining folks! are u ready for it?

I think a lot of people aren't. They are clinging to the hope that this isn't the reality and I seriously can't blame them. It's a horrible thing to face.

Its a matter of time berore trump brings all these pervs down!!

Are you joking? Where have you been the last two months? What makes you think Trump cares about cleaning up Washington?

Don't know why you got downvoted. For now, I share your hopefulness.

Their logic is beyond silly. There is no opinion. It is proof (admittedly more complicated) that leads to a theory. There is a very large number of things between evidence and opinion.

Do you think someone who makes a lot of jokes about pedophilia, has bands that make suggestions and jokes about pedophilia at his restaurant (a family restaurant that had murals of beheaded children and an alien saying "shut up and fuck"), and has friends that are convicted pedophiles should be associated with and patronized by some of the most powerful people in Washington DC?

Alex Jones apologized for spreading this bullshit. Why is this still a thing.

Good thing everyone here just listens to what he says and follows everything. If you don't know that Alex Jones is controlled opposition that throws nuggets of truth into bullshit then you're not a very good conspiracy theorist

Some people think he was forced or threatened. Some people think he did it to stir up interest. Some people think it was to make people look beyond a single pizza shop owner and see the bigger picture.

Some people think he did it because he will be facing some sort of legal trouble. He's trying to distance himself now.

More like most people know he did it because it isn't defensible journalism and he risks being pulled into civil court for libel.

Exactly

I'm sure the Podestas and all the people that will be the first to fall are wringing their hands and crying the exact same question. They are will all be held accountable.

Why doesn't RMS of the GNU project get called out more for this statements on this topic?

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing. "

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

the evil men do......

Well they also fuck kids. So there's that.

BUT Alex Jones said it's not real

Is this sarcasm? Because trusting Alex Jones on anything has always seemed like a bad idea.

You dumb cunts are going to get somebody killed, pushing this shit.

Tell us more, Trumptards! But please, no actual evidence because that would kinda ruin the whole deal.

I like how people who are against pedophilia are assumed to be Trump supporters. Kinda shows where each side stands.

Lol, nice strawman.

It's because the entire thing started as a smear campaign against hillary

Everything in the OP is true. None of it is made up or embellished. Calling the spreading of awareness of those truths is not smearing anyone. That's like saying people were trying to smear Trump by spreading the Grab'a'puss video.

Dude, I voted third party.

When exactly did they joke about pedophilia? I mean I know Milo did that, but as far as Alefantis or the Podestas I'm drawing a blank.

2016 would've been a descent into hell if HRC had won.

Thankfully there was a small beacon of undeniable truth, that the emails are real. Perhaps you PR shills should work off of that assumption because wholesale denying everything is doing the opposite.

I think there is an algorithm deployed to shape and censor conversation when key words are detected by the implementation of the "continue this thread -------->" link function, yes, unfortunately even here on r/consp.

[Take a knife and cut deeply into the middle finger of your left hand. Eat the pain.](eRFhWB4H0Vdq-aDui1ryfjLqLWHZAfXv26I4O7CB)

Completely normal behaviour nothing to see here. Unsubstantiated claims.

Putting this in general comments after it got algorithm-ed into "continue this thread --------->" obscurity. I had added to a back in forth below but you need to follow the "continue this....." link to veiw it.

For what it's worth:

Yeah I've often wondered since this all began - are people reacting strongly like they often do to consp. theories in gen. because the overwhelming horror of what they indicate - the smoke leading to/indicating a fire (the very actual long burning fires of Hades in PGs case), evidence/discovery of actual fires in some confirmed conspiracies but still - is it simply because people don't want to entertain, speculate about or discuss Pizza/Pedo G as it is fundamentally too much for them to emotionally, spiritually and psychologically consider or do they want to be taken seriously on the grounds of applying logic, reason, evidence etc....as many citizen investigators and Russian hackers, er sorry, internet sleuths are clearly doing and uncovering enormous quantities of puzzle pieces that are beginning to form a coherent picture when put together with large collections of puzzle pieces from previous eras or incidents such as: What "Kendall" revealed on Dr. Phil the a couple of days ago confirming what many have known for ever The Dutroux scandal Franklin Boys Town scandal The Presidio military preschool scandal and other related incidents The combined history of the catholic church in gen. but specifically their enormous historical involvement in perping and suppressing the evidence of their perping pedo activities on orphaned children in their care The number of cases world wide but esp. the UK, USA, Canada and historically prominent/important European countries where social services, govt. dept's/agencies/intell./spook, law enforcement have involvement in outright perping and enabling pedo activities for political blackmail and utilisation in ritual abuse scenarios The mind blowing series Jan Irving of Gnostic Media has been doing with Steve Outtrim on the dark, occult history of Silicon Valley, the 60s counter culture and Burning Man fest. Dave McGowan: "Programmed to Kill", "Weird Scenes inside the Canyon" Maury Terry: "Ultimate Evil" Jay Dyer: "Esoteric Hollywood: Sex, Cults & Symbols in Film" Peter Levenda: "Unholy Alliance", "Sinister Forces" Trilogy: Sinister Forces - The Nine: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft Sinister Forces - A Warm Gun: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft Sinister Forces - The Manson Secret: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft Daniel Ryder: "Cover-Up of the Century" Linda Blood: "The New Satanists" The overwhelming amount of recorded historical evidence indicating the common practice of these types of rituals by similarly positioned social classes then to who it is suspected is perping it today such as but not limited to Marquis de Sade, Vlad III, Gilles de Rais and amongst the lineage of European Black Nobility who knows how many more. I suspect endless amounts all engaged in similar "pastimes" as the above. When all these pieces of the puzzle are put together the picture is admittedly overwhelming but it is undeniable, incontrovertible and hard to formulate any other poss. explanation other than Satanic Elite parasites who feed off of the combined emotional, spiritual, financial and physical often negative or lower resonance/frequency energy output of the masses of humanity. It is people who have developed a coherent understanding and ability to recognise the patterns of reoccurrence and familiarity of ritual, circumstance, synchronicity and evidence that are able to look at the modern day evidence contained in PG and draw likely conclusions. Not y'all who are frankly casual observer/normie citizen criticisers who are out of your depth or agent provocateurs, shills, algorithm programmed bots or corporate narrative control freak/political/ideologically compromised intell./spook operatives - y'all neither have the gumption, perspective or moral fibre to comment and often in many cases I believe intentionally obfuscate and distract due to your complicity.

They are all people from /r/politics that since they can't post in /r/the_donald are coming in here to externalize their frustration because they perceive it to be a pro-Trump subreddit.

Do you guys use the same logical deduction with the female and male actors that work with the likes of Woody Allen, Polanski, etc?

I'm really curious.

Jimmy Comet will always be a person of interest

https://steemit.com/personsofinterest/@ausbitbank/persons-of-interest-james-achilles-alefantis-aka-jimmycomet-at-comet-ping-pong

It's all a hell of a lot of trouble to go through just to fuck some kids.

it opens doors to the realm of the archons.....and these people have served them forever....

Please - give it a break. You have no facts and no idea what you are talking about. When you have facts that will stand up in a court of law then come back and see me. Until then you can keep your silly little web logs.

I didn't ask for a lesson in dictionary reading. I did that in fourth grade. It is people like you that start ruining the lives of innocent people merely because you don't like how they talk or what they say. That is what I object to. If you have proof then use it. If not then shut the fuck up!

Thanks, i had not seen that. Looks like a perfect torture chamber, designed to be easily hoseable.

I simply don't believe there are people becoming "aware" of PG thanks to posts like this. Just because there's a "discussion", doesn't mean there's awareness. That's just my opinion, however, and I'm sure people can disagree.

So if you go and get downvoted in /r/politics, that wouldn't be evidence that /r/politics is an echo chamber? It would just be evidence that people don't agree with you? Got it.

Who posts in that shithole?

Go look at the post about the kid at the protest if you want to see an echo chamber and not an attempt at an actual discussion.

Lol, nice strawman.

Go look at the post about the kid at the protest if you want to see an echo chamber and not an attempt at an actual discussion.

Said as they forgo an actual discussion to participate in an echo chamber.

/r/conspiracy is nothing but an echo chamber. It's a circlejerk of people reinforcing each other's beliefs. More than that, we are propaganda. We are disinformation. It doesn't matter what is posted on /r/conspiracy that is true, no-one outside of the people who already believe it will believe it because for all the posts about real conspiracies, there are flat Earthers, people who believe in lizard people, or something else ridiculous that discredits the truth. For every 10 people you reach outside of /r/conspiracy, 99% of the time 9 out of 10 ignores it. Because most /r/conspiracy users are locked into this echo chamber that reinforces groupthink, they're totally oblivious to the fact most people outside of this community don't care, nor will they ever care. People are stupid, complacent, easily distracted and diverted. The average person does not give a shit about anything we talk about on this subreddit.

Yep always in with the heated, emotional reasoning resorting to aggressive emotional reactions in an attempt to control and manipulate the narrative.

To be honest i really haven't spent the amount of time you personally have with Pizzagate. I do absolutely believe the few victims that have been able to come forward describing an extremely sick, powerful human trafficking/pedophile torture murder ring. It follows reason that people that use violent domination without empathy to control societies would use this as a means of defeating empathy in themselves to foster sociopathic mentality required to be the top dog.

I'm asking what evidence you have to say that James Alefantis, John Podesta, and Tony Podesta are raping children?

As far as I can see, trying to tie them to this alleged pedo ring is just a false rape accusation. Do you have evidence that the men in the title of this post have commited acts of rape, or are you attempting to fabricate a connection?

Right.. evidence of him threatening someone over that very topic somehow discredits him? This all happened after he identified where the killroom was in a video. Whether you believe his evidence or not is up for debate sure. But saying that online threats and text messages that he verified then went to file a police report on is hardly discrediting the notion of alefantis threatening someone.

It is much easier to argue that the evidence is faked than to say evidence shows that he is innocent.. Are you saying all of a sudden his outrage and threats at this one guy show organic feelings of disgust by being accused of a pedophile? Where was this anger when it first started.

Edit: So I would say evidence of threatening one person would lead me to at least entertain the Idea it happened in this situation. The threat could of been very different such as a huge financial legal battle he wouldn't want to be a part of just because of expense. But it looks like AJ is controlled opposition more and more each day.

It's because the entire thing started as a smear campaign against hillary

it's an echo chamber not because you get down voted for having a dissenting opinion, but because you get banned for it. huge difference.

With regards to stuff you're making up, you mean.