But pizzagate has no facts.

Then what about the WikiLeaks? Where someone is telling John Podesta that a group of children will be in his hottub for "entertainment". That's not a fact?? Because you can go look it up right now.

What about it?

Family and friends - of all ages - are entertainment.

Are you fucking kidding me?

If kids being in a pool makes you think of sex, maybe you're the one we should be wary of.

No, if YOU don't think there is something fishy going on, then you are either still asleep and brainwashed, or completely delusional. Don't accuse ME of being a fucking pedophile because you interpret the facts differently.

The facts of there being kids in a pool, doesn't support the pedophilia claims.

Therefore, not a pizzagate fact. Let me know when you have pizzagate facts.

Then for 20 minutes

Exactly - 20 minutes is a very short period of time, like the kind of time someone might take to hit a short response due to... Being on their phone?

Nah, couldn't be.

Exactly, y'all need to stop feeding these obvious trolls. We can all tell that they're just being assholes, repeatedly arguing against them does nothing but clutter the thread with inane bullshit. Which is exactly what those fucking assholes want.

Already responded to this claim.

he/she is paid to defend the indefensible things.

he/she is paid to defend the indefensible things.

It's actually quite easy to defend that which has no facts against it.

The only hard part is when people throw a gish gallop at you, that's just annoying.

Omg this thread is ridiculous. All the pizzagate threads are. You have to be completely lacking in any sort of critical thinking skills to not notice how fucking stupid this shit sounds. Here's a newsflash for you, there's a really small fringe group of people who believe there is anything to "pizzagate" and to everyone else it sounds completely idiotic. Seriously, this is shapeshifting lizard people levels of ridiculous. So when people come in here and say "wow, this is really stupid" it isn't because they are being paid. No one is paying anyone to try and cover up "pizzagate". There's no need anyway, because even when presented with all the supposed evidence and smoking guns, the average person with at least one foot in reality will think this is completely ridiculous. How on Earth you look at any of those images and think they are sexual in nature... Like holy shit really? Do you also think that about the Coppertone kid? Or the child actors in TV ads? There is nothing sexual about those images. A band with the word "sex" in it played at 10pm once? Omfg call the police! Have you never been to a place that hosts small/local bands before? Jesus. You people take all these random, meaningless things and make absurd connections that aren't really there and come up with this ridiculously stupid conspiracy theory and then accuse people who say it's fucking nonsense of being paid shills. I for one know I'm not being paid, I'm just a preschool teacher browsing through reddit in my pajamas on a Sunday morning. The comments in this thread sound completely delusional and I think all of you should probably get off the internet before you lose all touch with reality. Go outside. Talk to other humans, in person. And for fucks sake work on your critical thinking skills.

You have to be completely lacking in any sort of critical thinking skills

...

small fringe group of people who believe there is anything to "pizzagate"

mhm...

even when presented with all the supposed evidence and smoking guns, the average person with at least one foot in reality will think this is completely ridiculous.

...

make absurd connections that aren't really there and come up with this ridiculously stupid conspiracy theory

...

ok: i gonna make an absurd connection:

I for one know I'm not being paid, I'm just a preschool teacher

so... you are not a shill. i believe you. you are a preschool teacher? maybe you are one of the pedos ;)

.

on a serious note: if you really want to promote critical thinking, you should dissect and come up with proves or logical arguments ... you are only smearing.

And for fucks sake work on your critical thinking skills.

yeah... you seriously should.

Pizzagate consists of a few random, meaningless things like paintings that most people in their right minds would never interpret as being sexual in nature. The ones with kids in bathing suits? To me they look like just kids who are miserable in gym glass. There is nothing remotely sexual about those images. You pizzagate people assign this hidden meaning to it and to all the other things you claim to be "evidence" because you are looking only for things that confirm what you already believe. That's why you only talk to the people who share and reinforce your beliefs, and you call everyone else shills or sheep or brainwashed because you automatically reject anything that doesn't support your story. That is not how critical thinking fucking works. You don't really care about what's true, you care about believing what you already believe. When you compile all the "evidence", until you provide this wild story that assumes all sorts of ridiculous things, it says absolutely nothing. Critical thinking also includes the ability to recognize that if you have to fill in that many blanks in order to explain something then your hypothesis is more than likely bullshit. If you never allow your views to be challenged, then you're not a critical thinker. Point blank.

And, yeah, you pizzagate people ARE a fringe group, you just don't think you are because you surround yourselves only with each other. Look how many people showed up to that protest. No one is paying people to "hide" pizzagate because 1) there is nothing to hide in the first place and 2) the vast majority of people, when presented with your "evidence", don't leave thinking there's a secret pedophile ring, they think you're all off your damn rockers. It isn't some great effort by the powers that be to suppress "Pizzagate" that is convincing people it's not true; it is the sheer and utter stupidity of your story. Seriously, for your own good get off the conspiracy websites and forums and actually read things that challenge your views. Talk to people who have different beliefs.

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

Circumstancial evidence? What circumstancial evidence? That WordPress site is ridiculous. There is no evidence of anything. That blog with the kids and the pool appears to be your average mommy blog. Sometimes when people talk about swimming pools, they are just talking about swimming pools. Or handkerchiefs. Or fucking pizza. Finding secret codes and symbols in ordinary, meaningless things and becoming convinced they spell out the truth about some big secret message isn't "evidence", it's schizophrenia. Literally that is what schizophrenic people do. I guarantee you could go to just about any restaurant or corporate chain and find all sorts of images in their logos/websites/etc that vaguely resemble those pedophile secret symbols. It doesn't mean shit. This is all so unbelievably delusional. Omg.

It's a fact. That the moon's radius is 1737km is also a fact. Both these facts don't contribute anything to the conspiracy theory that involves a pizza place and satanic pedophilia.

Or... Being on my phone, it's easier to respond to comments that don't link to a gish-gallop?

Nah, must be scared.

In regards to your link, they've gone and expanded Pizzagate to including any and all pedo incidents worldwide - Which is moronic. It'd be like accusing your neighbour of being a murderer without facts, then saying that people get murdered every day, therefore you should be treated seriously.

Pizzagate is the only one to inspire an orchestrated censorship campaign [8] and obvious collusion between the mainstream media, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and YouTube [9]. The cover-up proves conspiracy.

Flat Earthers claim the same.

The Comet Ping Pong website revealed a hidden, password-protected “members only” directory that housed enormous encrypted zip files and provided users with options for uploading and downloading [42]. While certainly a unique feature for a pizza website, such setups are standard operating procedure for child pornography distribution.

Do they know what's in the zip files?

Looks like it doesn't matter, pedo's share zip files so thats OBVIOSLY all the proof you need /s

That's all these 'proofs' are - Here's something the accused has done, here's something pedo's do, lets try build a bridge from our imagination to connect the two while ignoring any remotely sane alternatives.

If I take a photo of an empty room and post #raperoom

Does that make me a rapist? Is that sufficient evidence for the police to knock down my door?

Again, if there's no facts - why do you care so much as to waste your time on here arguing against people?

Haven't you got anything better to do?

You seem pretty damn concerned about refuting pizzagate from your post history.

Most people who don't believe in some conspiracy just move on. You seem pretty concerned.

why do you care so much as to waste your time on here arguing against people?

See the XKCD in my other reply.

Haven't you got anything better to do?

If you look at my post history this past day, you'll see there's close to a 10 hour break between posts - That was when I was doing something 'better to do'.

You seem pretty damn concerned about refuting pizzagate from your post history.

Look further back beyond today. I spend more time on flat earthers than Pizzagate.

And we all know flat earth is nonsense.

Most people who don't believe in some conspiracy just move on. You seem pretty concerned.

Don't like seeing nonsense reach the front page. So I combat it in /new

So if you don't believe it, give it a rest then.

I've never seen people try and combat things in conspiracy like pizzagate that they don't believe in - like they've a vested interest in it.

I don't believe in chemtrails but I don't go out of my way to refute people, I just move on. It doesn't affect me.

So if you don't believe it, give it a rest then.

Someone asking me to stop refuting, now that's unusual. And suspicious -_-

I've never seen people try and combat things in conspiracy like pizzagate that they don't believe in

Isn't... That the point of combating something?

Why would you combat it if you DO believe in it?

I don't believe in chemtrails but I don't go out of my way to refute people

If you're capable of refuting, you should.

(See what i'm doing?)

Yes. Being a cunt. If you don't believe in something then piss off to something else. Do something better with your time

Yes. Being a cunt

All I did was copy you.

But pizzagate has no facts.

Then why waste your time defending it? If people choose to believe it, so what? It's no skin off your nose

https://xkcd.com/386/

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

If you think half naked young kids in a pool equals entertainment, you just might be a pedo..

Isn't everyone half naked when they're wearing swimmers?

Burkinis, Rocky.

Burkinis all the way down.

Seems like that's what people here would like.

The Nike ones are nice.

Yeah but are they raw and uncut?

Depends, are you writing a blog?

you defend pedos !?

how low can someone go for a paycheck...

What's wrong with kids wearing swimmers?

It's the fact she was listing their ages (why?) and describing the situation as "raw and uncut"....to a middle aged man.

she was listing their ages (why?)

Because 'kids' is a pretty broad range.

Depending on the age can restrict what you can do, where you can go etc.

describing the situation as "raw and uncut"....to a middle aged man.

That's the header of her blog. She didn't post that in a message.

Raw and uncut doesn't mean sexual - It means unedited.

The email is dodgy, perhaps you are trying to play devils advocate but the email is dodgy and so is the website, something is not right and you know it.

describing the situation as "raw and uncut"....to a middle aged man

something is not right and you know it.

well as rockran pointed out:

That's the header of her blog. She didn't post that in a message. Raw and uncut doesn't mean sexual - It means unedited.

so your first premise there is false, you have stretched the truth to say one story, then when the stretched facts are exposed you cling on to the previous conclusion.

This is not logic, this is being emotionally invested in a particular story and giving "facts" and arguments that support that theory leeway and throwing up unnecessary resistance to facts and arguments that oppose it.

Don't forget it intentionally says there ages too.

Exactly. Who does that? Why would you need to list all the ages of the kids that are going to be "entertainment" in the pool? Oh, because perverts, that's why.

Exactly. Who does that?

Hillary Clinton's former chief of staff! The same lady that offers "raw and uncut" videos of toddlers on her personal blog that you can pay for.

What!? That's crazy.

If you accidentally lost a handkerchief that had a pizza related map on it, you might be a pedo....

If you would do better playing dominoes on cheese rather than on pasta, you might be a pedo

If you're "a little wired" sitting next to the kids on a plane, you might be a pedo...

"Heating the pool" is code for holding a swingers' party in some swingers communities.

"Heating the pool" is code for holding a swingers' party in some swingers communities.

like the ones you just made up

Wow, someone gild this. What an amazing contribution to the sub.

if we're all just gonna make shit up what's the point of even making connections?

for sure a pedo

Lol Jeff fox worthy would be proud

people don't agree with me, they must be paid/shill/Russians/enter X here/

Child sex trafficking is Illuminati-tier. Those people don't fuck around. They will kill you if you get to close. The things you aren't allowed to talk about are the things that are true.

This. These are some evil, wicked people. They are trying to use lawyers and David Brock groups to threaten lawsuits(Alex Jones) and discredit posters.

Cats out of the bag. Too many victims. The scum is going down

Too many victims?

It's been nearly an entire year since Podesta got his e-mail hacked and pizzagate has not uncovered a single victim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJNrzYHE-2s

Explain how Dr Phil is related to comet ping pong

So explain how it is related to comet ping pong

Lol why are you ignoring Pedogate and trying to focus on Comet ping pong. It's apparent that you don't give a shit about kids being molested in pedo rings, so why are you here

Had a look at the record number of missing children in the DC area?

How many?

22 cases still open. Pretty sure that's not a record.

Yeah, still a tragedy for any child to be missing, but certainly not the 500 that other posts on this sub are blatantly lying about.

Explain to everyone where in Podesta's emails there is any proof the two things are related

15 black teen girls have gone missing in 2017. We're in month 3 of 2017. The human sex trade is alive and well in DC.

Nothing but circumstantial evidence, merely having a large number of missing or lost children (some of whom have been found...) does not prove an underground government supported child sex ring.

Still no proof that this little girl is alive and well.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=KOi5wqxR&id=987F75BCB7D4AC6BE2783BB5A9D19D951B67DD30&q=Comet+Pizza+Private+Party&simid=608016900637199568&selectedIndex=65&ajaxhist=0

Ah yes the ol' "I don't have proof of anything so I'm gonna claim X happened and then say you can't prove X didn't happen" technique.

Its been months and still no word of the little girl.

Pedogate has been seen world wide.

Millions of people have seen this picture.

Not one person has come forward and said they know her.

We have a clear picture of her We can assume she is from the Washington area and yet no one knows who she is.

No parents,no family,No teachers,no doctors,no friends,no friends parents none has come out and said "oh that's so and so,she's in my class,my daughters friend,she's my patient,she's fine ,stop harassing her" not a peep.

Where is she ?

Who is she?

Is she safe?

Is she alive?

Pizzaboy claims its his goddaughter. If this is true it would be easy to prove and go along way to clearing his name,Far easier than manipulation of the failing legacy media and censorship of the world wide web.

Why should Alefantis post more pictures of children he's related to onto the internet after suffering from the attacks and baseless claims you're accusing him of?

To clear his name.

To protect the child from wild speculation on the internet .

To protect his business.

Plenty of the reasons.

Even if doesn't want to what about all the other people in the girls life,teachers,doctors,neighbors ,friends,friends of friends,parents at the child's school.Does jimmy pizzaboy control all of them too?

So you think its reasonable to label someone a pedophile and then demand that they jump through your arbitrary hoops in order to clear their name?

I am glad you are not in any position of power in life.

They wouldn't need to you through hoops for me or any of the thousands of people examining pedogate if the police and child protection investigated .

The fact they haven't is another huge red flag.

The fact that no law enforcement takes pizzagate seriously should be even more proof there is nothing to investigate.

It's only a red flag to people like you though.

Even Alex Jones has conceded it's a bogus theory.

The fact that police haven't investigated dispute the huge amounts of circumstantial evidence is a red flag

As is the fact that Alex Jones was forced to apologize dispute his audience knowing full we'll his feelings on the subject.

It shows how much power these people have.

No it doesn't. It shows how little evidence there is and that no one in law enforcement takes this seriously.

When the theory is put under any scrutiny it falls apart.

So much so, that even people like Alex Jones will concede there is no truth or basis to the theory.

It is only a red flag to people like you.

And thankfully, especially since you are British and live in the UK, you are not in any position worth listening to

If anyone else tied a child to a table ,supported pedophilic bands,posted questionable images on social media,joked about selling children etc,they would be investigated.

You are the third person today to use the even Alex Jones doesn't believe it argument. Its almost as if you are reading from the same script as part of coordinated propaganda push. Weird.

People like me ?

If by that you mean one of the thousands of people around the world that is concerned about pedogate then you're correct .Thanks .

Nice little bit of xenophobia to end you're post with there.

Might I suggest if you think British people are not worth listening to you should maybe not have replied to my post .I mean you figured out I was British decided I wasn't worth listening to then went ahead and replied to my post anyway. You sort of proved your own point wrong.

Since you don't think British people are worth listening to I assume you read this response so you won't hear say fuck you. Oh well.

You're not connecting anything you twat. All you're doing is accusing people of being pedophiles and then demanding others disprove your accusations that you just made up.

And pointing out the fact that you're British isn't xenophobia you overly sensitive sissyboy, its just relevant when noting where the accusations are coming from.

A British citizen claiming American law enforcement officers are engaging in a coverup about a pedophile ring being run by American politicians out of an American restaurant on American soil. With zero proof of any of it.

It's fucking hilarious when you think of just how stupid of a conversation this is

I thought you went going to listen to me ?

Fuck off back to your vault virgin.

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

refusing to post pictures of your child relatives to aggressive internet strangers who are demanding details of your personal life is a red flag only for sanity.

Your "if they've nothing to hide they've nothing to fear" argument however reminds me of how we've wound up in this situation of omnipresent surveillance in the first place.

Why has no one else came forward to identify the little girl.

Many many people outside the family have involvement in a child's life apart from the immediate family. Doctors,teachers,friends,the guy in the local shop. Jimmy can't control everybody.

Pedogate is massive. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world have looked into it. Its been on national news .Yet not one person has came forward and said I know this girl. No teachers,no friends ,no neighbours, no one.

Doctors,teachers,friends,the guy in the local shop

most of these people aren't going to have pictures of the kid, and if they're reasonable adults they'll know better than to give details about somebody else's kid o the internet. At least two of those categories would in fact be fired immediately and without recourse if they were found to do so.

Pedogate is massive. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world have looked into it. Its been on national news

its really not that big, you've got a distorted view cause the vote bots on here and t_d upvote the shit outta pizzagate stories, but most people don't know shit about it. Yeah its been on the news, how many people under the age of 70 you know who watch tv news on the regular? particularly just off the tv, as opposed to clips that get shared on fb or something. We live in an age of information overload, we each see different landscapes in the vastness.

the united states it literally going through a missing person epidemic currently, located primarily in the DC area.

you must be some coincidence theorist.

Are you that ignorant? Read what you just wrote, that doesn't seem the least bit suspect to you?

Your theory is so flimsy you must resort to moving the goal posts to include all missing persons in the United States?

Wow. Thank you for reaffirming my beliefs that pizzagate is debunked.

Because politicians and influential people only reside in DC?

its almost like I said "located primarily in the DC area" (the same place as comet ping dong)

Would there be victims if they don't know they're victims? Similar to that Dr. Phil segment where she was allegedly bred for that purpose. If you're born thinking that's your purpose and know nothing else how would ever know to do anything different?

Wait a second, now Clintons and Podesta are breeding children for their restaurant-based pedophilia cabal?

Sorry, just trying to understand the day-to-day changes in what Pizzagate is

That's a stupid thing to think though

And why would I need you to tell me what to think? Who are you?

Lol no.

Lol yes.

You are the one that's here. On conspiracy. Defending pedophilia

Nope. I just don't believe you.

But, it is very telling that your immediate reaction to someone not believing you is to label them as defending pedophilia.

It once again just reaffirms people's beliefs that the shills pushing pizzagate on this sub are very nasty people who will resort to making these types of accusations.

There are some real bad hombres around here and you just outed yourself as one of them.

the shills pushing pizzagate

Wait what? Who has anything to gain from exposing sex trafficking rings apart from victims and society as a whole?

It's possible this is all coming from Russia, who wants to destabilize all powers and alliances keeping Russia from reforming it's former Empire. Russia has decades of intelligence analysis on America and knows how much we care about our kids and how paranoid we get about Satanism and Pedophiles.

If I were working for Russian intelligence, I would be actively working to stir up demoralizing, damaging stories against the politician who support NATO so as to help the politician who is friendly to Russia.

This is not a judgement of whether or not the story is valid. I'm afraid it may be.

You've been fighting any research into this for months

Lol I bet the guy you're talking to eats a lot of Italian food and doesn't tell people

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm a skeptic of pizzagate in its entirety. I was just suggesting that if that alleged victim in that Dr Phil episode is to be believed then there are kids out there being bred for trafficking that don't think they're victims.

Did you watch Dr Phil on Tuesday?

Epsteins victims have filed a civil suit....

Many of the victims come from war torn or natural disaster devastated areas where there is little or no documentation. Laura Silsby got caught smuggling 33 victims out of Haiti. There was another recent bust in Haiti with even more victims.

What's the latest with that Silsby story? I really want to know what her "defense" is and see her doing serious time.

And yet here we are, talking about it.

How's James Wood and Rosanne Barr doing? They dead yet?

That's a bit of an exaggerated point to take, but even stil, that is called confirmation bias. Only people still living can speak. We don't know if all these actors/famous people that died in the last year were about to uncover some serious shit, for example, before they died from 'heart attacks', 'drug overdoses', and 'suicides'. I'm not saying that's definitely the case but you get the point I'm sure.

that's a bit of an exagerrated point to take

Kind of like "if someone tells you not to say it, that means it's true"?

I think there's something to this whole thing. I think some people took it too far and are fucking it up, hopefully with good intentions, but still fucking it up regardless. Right now though, I'm mostly just here to check up a bit on the whole thing. I can't help but find it strange though, that you use the line "Yet hear we are, talking about it," to try and make a point. You r using an insult to knock down people who are still here working through it, because they must be idiots, because this thing is so dead, right? Did you miss the "we" in your insult? If these people here are soooo stupid to be here, because this thing is so dead it's useless, what the fuck are you doing here in this "we?" Do you think your superior intellect will save these people from themselves when nothing else has so far or are you just here to slam people? Maybe its something else I'm missing?

James Woods the Mockingbird who publicly claimed to have been on a 9/11 dry-run flight and saved the day by informing the Captain "I think those guys are going to hijack the plane"? This James Woods?

September 11th two thousand fun

What does that have to do with this?

Look at how Hollywood reacts to them? Both deemed not credible, just like Kanye West, just like Pizza Gate, just like Ben Swann, just like David Seaman, just like Donald Trump, just like Edward Snowden, just like Julian Assange, just like....

Man it's funny how few credible people there are. Thousands of people looking into topics like this all not credible, just the quickly written media echo chamber narrative, that's what's legit! Someone on the news told me!

I recently heard something on the news that referenced Pedogate, and they briefly explained it but then hurriedly said "which is false." Ummmm, last time I checked American journalism had the problem of giving too much credence to opposing viewpoints, even when the opposing side is ridiculous. Since when do journalists come down hard against anything?

Just look at what they'll do to tie up lose ends. David Brock....

Just out of curiosity, if this child sex illuminatiesque trafficking ring exists, why aren't you and anyone else who is investigating pizzagate dead? Why were the people on 4chan who first dug through the emails and found it not dead?

Because it's less messy to create terms like "conspiracy theorist" like the CIA did and tar people with that. The whole idea is to deny and deflect. They accuse their accusers loudly with the help of their allies in the MSM.

Like the Trump Admin. is doing over the Russia scandal?

Possibly. But what does that have to do with pizzagate & why would you try to segue into that topic for literally no reason?

Because you guys are both from opposing sides of the manufactured political schism, arguing about a bipartisan tactics.

Do you really think murder is the only tool they have? Have you never heard of misinformation and psychological warfare?

Eg. Breitbart's famous tweet shortly before his premature demise.

Rite, the Voltaire quote that I've seen people argue over its authenticity on here. Either way it's the truth. To see who rules you think who u are not allowed to criticize....

It's right out in the open too, as seen with (((dick suckers))) slurping up the blood of freshly mutilated baby boy penises, which is legal.

It's right out in the open too, as seen with (((dick suckers))) slurping up the blood of freshly mutilated baby boy penises, which is legal.

I'm looking for some assistance in this name. I was in a pizzagate forum and I received a curios reply to one of my posts. I looked this guy up and this is what I found. JOSEPH BRANTLEY. HIGH PRIEST at Comet Ping Pong. Hired by GEORGE SOROS as a hired protester. I searched as far as I can go and found no current address. There are a lot of addresses in and around DC. I paid for this search. I wish I had more to offer.

Why was /u/FeelTheEmailMistake banned? His profile doesn't even show up.

http://archive.is/hrdjK

http://archive.is/5XWb7

He figured out how they forged the DNS records that were being used to connect a Trump server with a Russian bank.

Profile not showing up means he's shadow banned not something the mods have controll over.

It's like they never existed.

He was unpersoned. Careful, lest you be unpersoned as well

It's all just a matter of time.

the call of cthulhu!

Because it is fucking stupid.

It is get off your couch and walk down there to see how stupid it is.

Like go see your doctor just in case you need to wear a helmet stupid.

Grab a helmet. You sound like you need one.

I just want you to be safe. You seem to have a hard time with reality and a walking helmet can help with the eventual Darwinism that will be the story of your life.

I think you have a hard time with a verifiable fact, and what is being surprised.

Pizzagate=full retard.

Just sayin.

Ok. Helmets for everyone.

At some point you have to ask yourself, who am I fooling.

Just the subscribers.

fullretard

Removed. Rule 4.

Wow this looks like it was a shit show! I'm posting this after the all the good drama is <deleted> 😄 I'm pissed lmao

Removed. Rule 4.

Wow this looks like it was a shit show! I'm posting this after the all the good drama is <deleted> 😄 I'm pissed lmao

No he's dead fucking on. Posters like you need to be called out

Removed. Rule 4.

I've noticed a certain pattern of behavior when someone posts on r/ resist..

There shouldn't be people automatically attacking each other due to where they post. Just because someone posts in resist, the_donald, politics, metacanada, etc... doesn't mean anything other than that person has a bias, and that should be taken into account but not used as an attack. I've fallen victim to that kind of thinking in the past, but I've realized falling into that kind of thinking is just lazy and blinding me to what people might be saying.

This site really is a fucking hot mess anymore. Wow, I'm interested to see how much more of this shit I take before FakeIt cough whoops Reddit - becomes nothing more than a 30 second descriptor while describing some fun old things we used to do on the net in the olden days. I'm getting too old to waste untold amounts of energy trying to not get brainwashed or tricked, and am I in touch with reality when using this site lmao...Shit this site is supposed to be recreational, not feel like fucking WORK HAHA

Removed. Rule 4.

I do not know if Podesta, Alefantis and the others mentioned in the PG emails are truly pedophiles, there isn't anything solid to claim they are but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes these guys look like pedophiles though.

The best thing about PG for me however, is how it's bringing the very real child trafficking scene that exists within government and the entertainment industry to light.

You do realize a lot of different groups hire people to go on Reddit for a variety of different reasons, right? There are people here that are paid to make Monsanto look good, make Taco Bell look good, make Trump look good, make Putin look good, make Bernie look good, push Mormonism and keep an eye on all Mormons, etc... It's a heavily viewed site so there are a lot of people paid to influence the direction of dialogue here. The traffic is monstrous, so why wouldn't you expect them to be here?

The thing is I can see why a business would use shills to sell their products, but I can't understand why anyone would need shills to go against PizzaGate. Wouldn't a criminal investigation be a better defense against PizzaGate if you were innocent? If you have nothing to hide then you should welcome an investigation... not that I agree with that, but it's the same argument our politicians have used to support the unconstitutional spying done by the CIA and the NSA.

You're basing it off the assumption that it's just everyday normal people pushing pizzagate against an army of shills trying to stop it, without considering the possibility that it's an army of shills trying to push pizzagate against normal everyday people trying to stop it. More than likely it's mostly shills on both sides fighting against each other with regular people just getting caught up in it.

As for shills in general, I doubt they have teams that target one specific thing(like Pizzagate or the Trump Dossier) but instead push a general agenda that benefits their side while weakening the other side.

Wouldn't a criminal investigation be a better defense against PizzaGate if you were innocent? If you have nothing to hide then you should welcome an investigation...

If I was suspicious you might be hiding something and decided the format of your posts meant you were engaging in child trafficking, would you consent to a criminal investigation right now? The nothing to hide excuse is bunk, exactly like you said, so why even advocate it?

If I was suspicious you might be hiding something and decided the format of your posts meant you were engaging in child trafficking, would you consent to a criminal investigation right now? The nothing to hide excuse is bunk, exactly like you said, so why even advocate it?

I advocate it because they apparently like the policy. After all, it's their fault it is our policy. I hate it, but if they like it they should be fine with the search. Hope you're ok with that answer.

I surely would if thousands of people were ruining my reputation and business slandering me over it

see but they've already demonstrated, by misinterpreting innocuous messages as criminal conspiracy, that no matter how innocent the facts you show them that these accusers will see pedophilia* in it.

And many are so convinced that any evidence of innocence will be taken out of hand as evidence of attempted cover-up.

Reasoning with the blood hungry mob is how people get lynched and trampled and torn asunder by said mobs, the smart run and fucking hide till cooler heads prevail.

*makes me think the whole business is a bit of a rorschach test, i've seen way too many posts on these pizzagate threads from "fervent defenders of the children" that read like they were typed with one hand.

I don't think this mob is blood hungry. I think a proper investigation would put an end to this.

I don't think this mob is blood hungry.

mobs are basically by definition blood hungry, the eusocial beast we humans form together like an ugly pancake voltron is clumsy and violent and prone to screaming rage.

and there plenty of reason for pizzagate's targets to fear the mob is blood hungry, a man already went into comet ping pong with a gun. So thats score one for "pizzagate believing nuts may show up and shoot you" while "pizzagate believers are reasonable people and the facts are indisputable" is still sitting at zero.

and pedophiles are, rightly, vilified and reviled, being accused of being one is a smear and a stink that cannot be easily washed off no matter how baseless the accusation.

people like to think that they are heroes. they also want to perform horrible atrocities, but they want to be justified and heroic in doing them. Killing pedophiles is a fantasy which neatly satisfies these requirements For this reason the pizzagate story has no doubt captured the hopes and dreams of a number of wannabe violent sociopaths. And people who like a story become invested in believing in it, and once that happens no evidence that contradicts that story will ever to change their mind.

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

Wouldn't a criminal investigation be a better defense against PizzaGate if you were innocent?

You need to watch less "law and order" and more "making a murderer"

If you have nothing to hide then you should welcome an investigation... not that I agree with that, but it's the same argument our politicians have used to support the unconstitutional spying done by the CIA and the NSA.

you say you don't agree, yet you seem to be making that exact argument, which is it, do you disagree on principle or do you stand on different sides of principle depending on who you perceive yourself to be opposing?

I find it interesting you mentioned Trump, Bernie, Putin, a host of evil corps, but not Hillary.

I thought Shareblue and CTR was a given here.

He also mentioned Taco Bell, clearly he has an agenda.

Way to try and derail me bro! High five!

I can't help but notice you're essentially apologizing for astroturfers. Please don't do that.

So pointing out the truth is now apologizing?

You're painting them in a light of "well, obviously they would do this" instead of "fuck them for doing this."

That, in my eyes, is apologizing for them. They don't need your support, but all unpaid posters need to band together against all paid shills on any and all sides. People paid to post on Reddit are a cancer.

The post I was replying to specifically mentioned how surprised they were that paid astroturfers would be on Reddit, as if somehow this site isn't worth the time. My post was a reply to that feigned incredulity.

Hmm, I don't think I understand your point, then. You are saying special interest groups hire shills, and you're not surprised they are hired to suppress pizzagate? That wasn't what I interpreted from your first comment.

Edit: he seemed only incredulous about the fact that they were bothering to suppress pizzagate. That the suppression actually makes it seem more plausible as opposed to less plausible.

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

The corporatist establishment wing of Democratic party was caught with pants down with PIZZAGATE.

No wonder the shills are highly active to malign that, to downplay the whole thing.

I wish they'd realize this shit is not effective when they're so obvious about it that people are constantly being alerted to what they're doing. It almost seems like they WANT people to know and they WANT people to hate them.

They don't need to convince anyone, that might not even be the goal. It's to fracture discussion, inject anger, cause confusion, and demoralize.

What they're really doing is selecting for (in the evolutionary sense) forum ecosystems stuffed to the gills with countertrolls who find them amusing. The shills create a hell of their own design - a forum that is everything they made of it, but tuned to antagonize them personally.

What if the shills are realizing how shitty the whole situation is but don't want to lose their job? If I were in that position i would make every effort to be the worst shill possible

Are you talking about the shills for Pizzagate or the ones against it?

For a lot of us, standing up to the Russian fake new brigade is not a job that pays. It's just our patriotic duty.

There's really no need to make it a partisan issue. Not this. The two parties are very often running controlled opposition games to create false choices and ensure nothing really changes for the people at the top. This might well be one of the status quo elements they were protecting with their false choice games. In any case, it doesn't need to be partisan, because it inherently persuades people in a contrapartisan way. Expose Republicans doing this shit and the internet will turn against them hard, too. Expose anyone doing this shit and the internet will turn against them. James Alefantis' Instagram would be a persuasive marvel against anyone. Having a creepy pedo subculture presence on social media is political kryptonite.

I agree totally. But when I look into the shilling these are basically HRC aka Establishment Dems shillers (paid?). They have failed to get beyond the petty partisanship.

This is elitist vs the mass. The issue is more related to debauchery, lechery of the elite than their political alignments.

It is time to stand united against these pedo 'elites' and bring them to justice.

How do partisan opinions like this garbage get upvoted in this subreddit?

Because this subreddit was co-opted by T_D conservatives.

Meh, shills are vastly outnumbered by organic users.

I don't think they are shills, they're just flocking to a subreddit that they can use to push their viewpoints. They are organic users.

They're certainly not getting paid to do this.

The t_d invasion here is also blown way out of proportion.

Why do you say that? The landscape of this subreddit changed dramatically.

Yes, with shills who have convinced our organic user base that there's much more divide than there actually is.

This is one of two places on Reddit with a sizable population that won't immediately ban Trump supporters. Yes, there are some here, but it's not as bad it's made out to be.

That's not even true, Trump supporters don't get banned in most subreddits.

They're not downplaying now. They've changed tactic. Now PG is a Russian psyop designed to torpedo Clinton's presidential run! Those Russians must possess some Inception level brainwashing techniques to get Alefantis and Podesta and everyone else to do all that weird shit that made everyone think they're pedo child killers...

Follow the money, follow the dead body, follow the shills, you find gold

Does that include reddit gold?

Follow the money, follow the dead body, follow the shills, you find gold

And usually a Rothschild.

Well the Rothschild do own all the gold so he's not wrong and neither are you

TIL Rothschilds are leprechauns.

their pretty inbreed.....

Frankly, the and more details about Michael Flynn come out, his son motivating the pizza shooter, helping​ spread the Clinton runs a pedo basement conspiracy, the more obvious it's starting to look like just another Russian hit job on Clinton the fringiest bits of the far swarmed like flies to poop.

Were there truly anything to this, Bannon who at this point gets more intelligence than Trump would be all over it.

Sure. The Russians created pedogate by ???forcing Podesta to receive weird emails about kids??? Makes sense

Like I said, Bannon would know.

could you reread those emails, but this time don't read the little "legend" on the side first.

fact is with a large enough selection of your writing i could create a similar box of code words and make a passable go of showing that you were in fact secretly queen elizabeth and had personally shot jfk.

step back for a sec and really look at the whole story dude, examine each bit for practicality and plausibility and consider alternative stories at every step. this is the way to get closest to truth.

practicality and plausibility

Do you think it's practical and plausible for Russian agents to plant all those weird IG posts, put a pedo symbol in a restaurant logo, incept the Podestas to buy twisted quasi-pedophillic art, then leak emails containing code talk that brings it all together???

That's just stupid. A more plausible explanation is that a string of rich person eccentricities and sinister-seeming language in leaked emails caused conspiracy theorists to draw fantastic conclusions about the people involved. So why the fuck wouldn't you stick with that talking point instead of this ridiculous Russian narrative? I wonder what the balance of probabilities are on that...

to plant all those weird IG posts, put a pedo symbol in a restaurant logo, incept the Podestas to buy twisted quasi-pedophillic art, then leak emails containing code talk that brings it all together???

highlighted the things i consider to be huge assumptions, the interpretation of which drastically alters perception of ht whole business, though i'd like to see a source from before the pizzagate copypasta that shows blue triangles to actually be pedo symbols in the first place.

heres a theory, russian propaganda agents leaked (some evidence suggests altered as well) podesta's emails. Deciding they weren't incriminating enough to smear the democrats with, as was desirable since they were trying to prop up donnie dumbshit, they made up a highly incriminating interpretation of some office jokes about pizza. Which was probably code for weed come to think about it, i always buy mine by the "slice" or 1/8th. This disinformation was fortified with images of some creepy looking art podesta bought and some unverified and extremely circumstantial and tenuous links to random child disappearances. This whole business was compiled into an easily spread meme image and disseminated anonymously through 4chan.

4chan, being the sort of place people go and post cp, has a large population of users who are in deep denial about their own disgusting urges or why they're surfing /b, and this population latched onto to this story cause it has everything their fevered imaginations most secretly fantasize about: people in positions of power abusing kids with impunity. So it caught and it spread.

Compare that with the difficulty that would be involved in actually running an elite pedo ring, you just can't reliably hire that many sociopaths and pedos, and keeping it quiet on top of that? And not to mention sociopaths will turn on you before the first opportunity, and pedos are basically by definition in a position of weakness and vulnerability which is highly exploitable.

the difficulty that would be involved in actually running an elite pedo ring

The ongoing investigation into former UK PM, the late Sir Edmund Heath, the cover-up of of pedophiles stalking the halls of the UK Parliment and the BBC for decades, the Dennis Hastert conviction, and the extremely cushy sentence handed down to the extremely well connected child sex trafficker Jeffery Epstein should at least suggest to any rational person that elite pedo rings absolutely exist. The fact there are so many instances to draw upon from recent history should suggest that maybe it's not all that hard either--as long as you have money and powerful friends.

I think it's way more conceivable for rich people to rape children on the sly than it would be for Russian agents to assemble such an amazingly successful *gate out of what are really some pretty random things.

Also FYI the Wikileaks released this document in 2007 which describes the blue triangle symbol as meaning "boylover" in pedo circles.

And you also find Trump

That is the problem about what this whole sub is all about. The idea of witch hunts and justice are so far from reality on our level, unless we keep talking about it more and more. Even then, there is no promise. The fact is, this genre of thinking could never have a true advocate. As a conscious indivisual, they are bound to have differing opinions. There are no leaders in truth. Some do have more listeners, sure, but that does not make them the bearer of all truth.

Shilling == Disagreeing with a conspiracy theory.

On this forum? Yes! We're trying to collaboratively gain information. Just walk away from the threads that seem crazy.

We're also trying to call out bullshit when we see it. Please don't discourage disagreement, you're making things worse.

It's quite clear that Jones was threatened by a lawsuit.

He's rich as hell. He can affort to suffer a frivolous lawsuit. Since he's not, that means that Alex Jones has come to the conclusion that "belief in pizzagate" is not something you can defend in court.

Not just that you couldn't prove it in court, but that you couldn't defend belief in it.

My interpretation of the evidence is that this whole thing started out as a smear campaign with elements of moral panic from gullible people.

I'll change my opinion if you can provide evidence of a crime.

I know most of the people here have their minds made up already, and tend to downvote dissenting opinion, but I'll give you my thoughts on this regardless.

First, it's quite clear that Jones was threatened by a lawsuit. They've more or less openly said that this was done for legal reasons.

He's rich as hell. He can afford to suffer a frivolous lawsuit as long as he wins. But he's not trying. That means that Alex Jones has come to the conclusion that "belief in pizzagate" is not something you can defend in court.

Not just that you couldn't prove it in court, but that you couldn't defend belief in it.

So now one of the most prominent voices defending the Pizzagate conspiracy still does not believe that it is defensible enough to actually risk anything for it.

That's not proof of anything. But it did validate my interpretation of the evidence, which came to the same conclusion.

I think that this whole thing started out as a smear campaign with elements of moral panic from gullible people.

And I'm not the only person who believes that. You're going to see vehement opposition from people who are politically aligned with the people being smeared, because they feel these attacks are baseless and politically motivated.

this whole thing started

theres also the DC rentboy gay escort scene tied up with this.

then the drug dealing scene done at pizza parlours.

these are things the DC politicos do not want publicized.

the child fcuking thing is just one aspect of it.

​> Not just that you couldn't prove it in court, but that you couldn't defend belief in it.

That's an excellent point. Journalists have a significant amount of privilege when it comes to defamation, as long their statements were made in good faith and without "actual malice." This even applies if their statements are later proven to be false.

Also worth noting that a retraction can be used as an affirmative defense against a defamation claim. Probably wouldn't be enough to get him off the hook entirely, but might help mitigate the damage in the event he lost.​​

​> Not just that you couldn't prove it in court, but that you couldn't defend belief in it.

Courts do this all the time. It proves nothing but that the judge would likely jail a sincere defendant in contempt. Our fallen judiciary projects their own contempt of the process onto any defendants ripe for scapegoating, which Alex Jones certainly is.

Hmm. Two commenters, quoting the same text, but both making the exact same formatting error. 🤔

Ha! Nice observation.

Possibly AJ suspected what happened to Gawker could happen to InfoWars. When your enemy has infinite funds to fight you through the courts, maybe you have to cut your losses, even if it means retracting the truth.

Or, you know, you could accept what every human on this forum accepts. Alex Jones has always been controlled opposition.

I thought that instantly. He was threatened with being "Gawkered".

I think a few conspiracies are a little wooohooo.....out there. I never bother to read threads about them or comment. Who legitimately feels the need to berate, belittle and contradict every nuance of a conspiracy they don't take seriously? That's not real people.

Great opportunity to tag the toxic and paid users.

I would imagine they have been doing that to certain users already.(Well the ones that are more familiar with this site.)

neighsayers saying neigh

Naysayers saying nay, theyre saying no, not making the noise a horse does.

I think the answer to your WHY? is that the longer the internet spends investigating elite pedophiles, the more David Brock gets to look either like a laughingstock or a monster (depending on whether or not there's fire to go with all the smoke). Either of those reputations would suffice on its own to motivate the hiring of people to shill against pizzagate. If David Brock can't control his own reputation, the wealthy people who hire him to control their reputations will lose faith in him.

The sheer amount of shilling going on in this sub about pizzagate should lead you to one conclusion. "People are being hired to promote pizzagate."

Now ask yourself.... WHY?

LMAO yes

Because it was a narrative that the Russian propaganda machine has adopted in order to sow political discord in the United States.

I'm not even joking. I wish I was.

The author of this book is Vladimir Putin's closest advisor.

It's pretty clear that "PizzaGate" is one of the more crazy conspiracies that the machine is trying to ramp up in order to distract from the Russian counterintelligence investigation.

You might be wrong

How so?

Because there is a possibility that it isn't the Russians? I understand the possibility that it could be, but find it very difficult to say with certainty that it was them. Regardless, if Russia was responsible for the leaks, does that make the allegations any less heinous?

Are you conceding that the narrative has been adopted by a much louder group? Do you see where Russia fits into all of this where other actors do not?

I suppose I see what you are getting at. You think Russia just needed to plant the seed by aiding the leaks to begin with and then let things snowball from there? I admit this is a possibility, but will remain skeptical for the time being. I will have a very hard time buying into the DNC/MSM's narrative, which you are pushing. What I said earlier stands. I don't care who leaked if the implications are factual and allow the public to be more informed of the possibilities of the inner workings of our government. I do believe the truth will set us free regardless of who is telling it, as long as it is the truth. :)

I do know that we are stronger together, so differences aside, I want to send my love. May we all live in harmony as one in time!

Do you think Putin is a one man illuminati hell bent on destroying the west?

Do you think Putin is a one man illuminati

What does that even mean, bro?

hell bent on destroying the west?

Yes.

2 day old account

Отъебись. Благодарю.

Not an argument

Отъебись. Благодарю.

Do you think Putin is a one man illuminati

What does that even mean, bro?

hell bent on destroying the west?

Yes.

2 day old account

Отъебись. Благодарю.

Muh Soviets. 1983 called, they want their fearporn back.

Fuck off.

Wow. Check out the Big Brain on Brad. Use your vocabulary, make your momma peoud she sent you to public school.

Wait so now pizzagate is Russian spy ops too? These Russians are so powerful. Literally hacking the election and having trump win. They can do everything. Oh yeah and don't mind the USA who killed 200 people in an airstrike in Iraq a few days ago, and the CIA who can hack you as hard as the NSA. These guys do it for the good guys, yeah, they'll protect us from the scary Russians.

What are you saying?

The Russian narrative is mostly propoganda with a sprinkle of truth in order to distract from the obvious evil nature of the US government

So you're saying that the US is enlisting the Russians to push propaganda in the United States? That's 5D chess dude.

I'm not saying there isn't Russian propoganda. The anti Russian sentiment is propaganda however

What are the reasons there would be anti-russian sentiment?

Proxy war in Syria over Qatari pipeline. Russia sells oil to Europe and overthrowing Assad would be the last step towards building the pipeline.

In a more general sense, more war is always supported by the establishment. They want cold war with Russia again.

There's a long, historical list of reasons that there is anti-russian sentiment right now. %99 have nothing to do with the pipeline.

Oh so we need to be afraid of a country with less GDP than Italy?

Where did I say that anyone needs to be scared?

Did the Russians put a pedo symbol in the Best Pizza logo, or post really weird shit on Alefantis' Instagram, or paint bizarre murals depicting decapitation on a family restaurant wall? Maybe they were behind the infamous #killroom, the 4chan pedo key, and the mysterious code talk in the Podesta emails. Maybe they're the ones that gave the description of the McCann kidnapping suspects to the police sketch artists, you know for use years later after they co-opted Trump to make a nearly unbelievable run for the presidency.

PG developed spontaneously, took on a life of its own, and doesn't need bad state actors to keep it alive. Claiming Russia is behind it for any reason is fucking stupid.

Is there a reason you believe that they're shills besides them disagreeing?

Not everyone is. But when the exact same statements come up over & over you can tell it's like reading from a script.

My favorite is "there's no evidence"... except the Podesta emails, the Alefantis IG, the weird symbols in Besta & related restaurants, missing children, the catholic church's proven track record of molesting kids... there is evidence. But then these "Redditors" say it's not real evidence. Okay so they're choosing to ignore all the evidence presented by Ben Swann in a clean-cut format. If this has enough evidence for someone from MSM to cover it then there is at least some evidence. When people call this a baseless conspiracy with no evidence it's highly suspicious IMO.

If you've seen the evidence and don't believe it amounts to much, fair enough.

But the two talking points that constantly get parroted are "there's no evidence", implying literally no evidence exists when some does, and the classic "the IG photos were just a joke".

When I see those comments repeatedly in the same thread by random users it's astroturfing. The more you read the same arguments ad nauseam you'll start to notice. Not to mention posters who use blanket insults against this sub(why are they here?).

Bottom line: no they're not all shills and it's not because they disagree. It's the specific way they disagree, almost like pre-written talking points, that makes certain threads seem incredibly shady.

Totally agree. It's arch lunacy to say the Russians invented PG. Anyone who says that is completely retarded or a shill, so when the grammar, formatting, and spelling are all spot on, they gotta be shills.

finally someone gets it.

I know controlled opposition when I sees it.

Nonsense. Pizzagate developed organically from conclusions drawn from real life things. Weird instagram posts, twisted art and performances, code talk in emails, a pedo symbol in a pizza logo--you literally can't make this shit up.

The only "the Russians did it" argument you could possibly make here is that after Pizzagate took off, they hired shills/turfers to keep it alive, but honestly I don't think something as sensational as this really needs help to stay alive.

Why? Because they're being paid by the very same pedophiles implicated in #pedogate to shill. It's as simple as that. There are a lot of desperate people out there.

Hypothetically speaking, if someone were a paid shill who would they have to contact about their bi-weekly check? Let's say, theoretically, it had been a number of days and I had not gotten it in the mail? Would they have a means to track if it had been sent to the wrong address?

E: a word

anyone who deligimitizes all their opposition as paid without refuting their points obviously is standing on very shaky ground and is merely deflecting. The entire premise of the conspiracy from a logical non emotional viewpoint is ridiculous so of course initially people are going to attack it as absurd, half the proponents of it think it is actual satanists doing everything, of course nobody is going to take it seriously the only satanists around are edgy atheists getting a rise out of fundies.

Not entirely true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set ; "The Temple of Set is an occult initiatory order founded in 1975. A new religious movement and form of Western esotericism, the Temple espouses a religion known as Setianism, whose practitioners are called Setians. This is sometimes identified as a form of Satanism, although this term is not often embraced by Setians and is contested by some academics.

The Temple was established in the United States in 1975 by Michael Aquino, an American political scientist, military officer, and a high-ranking member of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan. Dissatisfied with the direction in which LaVey was taking the Church, Aquino resigned and – according to his own claim – embarked on a ritual to invoke Satan, who revealed to him a sacred text called The Book of Coming Forth by Night. According to Aquino, in this work Satan revealed his true name to be Set, which had been the name used by his followers in ancient Egypt. Aquino was joined in establishing the Temple by a number of other dissatisfied members of LaVey's Church, and soon various Setian groups were established across the United States." ; http://disinfo.com/2013/09/devils-advocate-interview-dr-michael-aquino/

a handful of cultist who allegedly follow satan in some wacky new age way hardly makes a strong case for actual satanists my money is on the founder being a L Ron Hubbard/joseph smith conman type which is frequently the case.

https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/ ; http://ra-info.org/faqs/ra-convictions/ ; http://www.multipletreasures.org/FTIO/ra-stats.htm ;

nice job actually linking multiple sources for once on this sub instead of doing some ad-hominem attack like others would, not sure about the sites reputability will have a read.

I come here for debate, and to learn more. I can be wrong, but attacking other users is not productive. Good luck in your own search for truth.

thats a healthy attitude to have, i always remind myself i can be wrong to try and prevent the thought of insanity so many others suffer from when it comes to conspiracies and political beliefs.

Cool. It's nice to talk with someone level headed enough to step outside the narratives being offered.

I honestly think "pizzagate" is the great rubicon of conspiracy. I hate the name "pizzagate" but i think there is truly something there. People need to talk about this. There are numerous cases popping up overseas of trafficking rings being busted, with big players involved. What? Are we just so fucking star spangled awesome that we wouldn't have the same issue? But of course we dont talk about this. Do you know anyone who could tell you how many children go missing globally in a month of the top of their head? How about nationally? How about in your own fucking state? Now how many people do you know who could tell you how many people died from a terrorist attack in london off the top of their head

I honestly think "pizzagate" is the great rubicon of conspiracy.

Personally, I think the great rubicon of conspiracy has to do with ET visitation of Earth, and full public ET disclosure. Pizzagate is up there alright, but even if arrests are made, charges pressed, and convictions served, it will be a big deal, but I don't think it would be too groundbreaking in the grand scheme of things. We know pedophile rings have been around for millennia, and probably will continue to pop up in the future, in spite of our efforts. Full public ET disclosure on the other hand has the potential to radically accelerate our species technological development, especially when it comes to clean energy and interstellar travel.

why would ANYONE come here?......to this living hell?

but I don't think it would be too groundbreaking in the grand scheme of things

If high level officials who have "authority" were proven to be molesting children and lying about it, that would absolutely be groundbreaking and it would affect every single person in the world.

Everyone would need to realize that people in power lie. They did lie, and in that scenario they lied about something that would go beyond mafia level crimes. The average person would need to seriously question what authority even means. Why were these people trusted in the first place? Why did the average person think they were "normal" and trust them, give them power, etc?

I agree that topics like ET, life after death, higher dimensions, what is consciousness... these are more significant than satanic elite practices. But to say it wouldn't be "too groundbreaking" if well known politicians were literally arrested and convicted of this? No my dude. That would be one of the most groundbreaking events in centuries.

satanic elite practices. But to say it wouldn't be "too groundbreaking" if well known politicians were literally arrested and convicted of this?

It would be significant, that's for sure, but I mean to say it wouldn't come as much of a shock at this point. Elite pedophile rings are nothing new, and politicians have been arrested and convicted of this type of stuff before. Plus, we already know about some of the bizarre, I guess you could call 'satanic' practices that some of the elite engage in at the Bilderberg meetings and whatnot.

We may see the arrests of Podesta and a few fall guys, but it's unlikely that we'll get them all, unfortunately. Pizzagate, pedogate, elite pedophilia, whatever you want to call it, is a type of evil we'll probably have to rage against for years to come, and we may never get a true sense of closure. I hope I'm wrong.

But pizzagate IS fake. Money please. No need to shills when something has nothing but really lame evidence.

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

The msm isnt even a thing. Its not under control. If you've ever worked in media its just everyone trying to beat everyone to the punchline and make the others look bad and make more money

It is under control. The CIA admitted in a court of law in the 70s that they influence US MSM, and perhaps others. This was Operation Mockingbird. It was discontinued, but may have been revamped under a new name, pushed further underground, and expanded ten-fold, like many other "discontinued" CIA operations. There's also Bill Clintons 1996 Telecommunications Act that lead to 5 mega corporations controlling at least 90% of the US MSM, and made the FCC toothless against them.

They think because Alex Jones was forced to say sorry under threat of legal action that means we will stop pushing pedogate.

Kek.

Alex Jones didn't come up with pizzagate.

He has always been worried about reporting on it.

When ever he mentions pedogate he makes it very clear that he thinks Pedo point pong is a distraction.

To an extent he's right.

Hillary Clinton and Jon pedoesta doh not rape children AT Comet pizza. This is the most extreme version of the pizzagate theory and the one pushed by the media so I think its safe to that it doesn't happen.

But let's remind ourselves why some people my think this.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&amp;ccid=bKaaUpby&amp;id=F36601B4A06B51011B911BA2F71BB4E6E3792B8A&amp;q=comet+ping+pong&amp;simid=608015006553604739&amp;selectedIndex=18&amp;ajaxhist=0

Still no evidence that this child is alive.

The "kill room"

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&amp;ccid=7fzGFoZA&amp;id=F704251ACC58130C159EA36D71A84860C70BE99C&amp;q=comet+ping+pong&amp;simid=607998084378398548&amp;selectedIndex=0&amp;ajaxhist=0

Pervy art.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&amp;ccid=0iznk1Ye&amp;id=3725C513B9B935698749B9D6F9AF73276A3DF74E&amp;q=comet+ping+pong&amp;simid=608022711735551075&amp;selectedIndex=26&amp;ajaxhist=0

Sexual imagery

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&amp;ccid=1DGHd1Nd&amp;id=7FAE1038238432F8766B7A40D5CF41BC67BDCB2D&amp;q=comet+ping+pong&amp;simid=607997689244092873&amp;selectedIndex=33&amp;ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&amp;ccid=2JuczUXI&amp;id=F36601B4A06B51011B910A3D89D6689B685EE18A&amp;q=comet+ping+pong&amp;simid=608013834030286419&amp;selectedIndex=108&amp;ajaxhist=0

Children's coffins.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlhBn_zSIro

Pedo supporting bands.

Feel free to add to the list guys.

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

• [/r/betternews] The sheer amount of shilling going on in the thread about pizzagate that u/Linda_latina posted should lead you to one conclusion. "People are being hired to devalidate pizzagate" Now ask yourself.... WHY?

^{If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)}

I think you mean "your point is moot."

Mute refers to a lack of sound. When we mute our TVs the sound is turned off. A deaf-mute is someone who cannot hear and cannot speak.

A moot point is one open to debate though it is not used that way, at least in the US. But in its common usage it refers to a question that doesn't need to be discussed or is not open to debate. While you are describing a weak or inconsequential argument and not the debatability of a point, your usage isn't too far removed from that common usage.

Try a new subreddit, r/distraction

Ok, but why? Am I being a distraction?

This is real simple folks.

No person or entity spends $$$ smearing and trying to delegitimise shit that plain and simple is not true.

Sure, there are trillion dollar corps that would put out a campaign to counteract bad PR even if it wasn't the truth, for no other reason than to save face and make sure the public doesn't fall for the rumor or misinformation.

BUT, when they spend millions of $$$, what can ultimately be MILLIONS of man hours, to try and delegitimise a subject that in the grand scheme, is ONLY being quietly discussed in the farthest corners of the internet and basically NOWHERE else on Earth...Idk guys, doesn't that in ITSELF prove the disputed "subject" true? Didn't your mama teach you "Doth thou protest too much"!

The MSM and members of the elite are protesting WAYYYYYY too much.

Downvote me to the bottom see if I give a fuck! MORE people need to speak their opinion more frankly so that the discussions around here can try and liven up some! Were waging a war with the paid shills and bots, the least we can do so using this site doesn't have to feel like work is to try and present all our different ideas and thoughts? Well I do and if I'm wrong well fuck I guess Reddit finally shit the bed.

Holy shit that entire thread is astroturfed to shit.

at this point we've done all we can do besides crowd funding hackers to get into these peoples computers for more evidence.

David seaman strikes me as a fake.

He is. He uses other people's research and then gets donations from his "fans" because he talks about Pizzagate. He wrote a book on how to get rich off of the internet conning people.

That was my impression, money grubber, doesn't do his own work on the pizza issue. His behavior is bizarre for a genuine truther-type. His history is sketchy, and his language has a nonsequitur feel to it.

Because still after all the hubbub and discussion there is no evidence or proof of anything going on everything is circumstantial and hyperbole

Hi there, just to let you know I think Pizzagate is absolutely fucking stupid and there's no evidence to support it whatsoever. I've not been paid to have this opinion. Hope this helps.

no evidence to support it whatsoever

Would I do better playing dominoes on cheese or pasta?

I'm skeptical on Pizzagate (could be a psy-op) but I'm maintaining an open mind simply due to the fact that other things like this have been exposed in the past from the elite establishment across the world, often times with heavy pushback and denial in the beginning of investigations. It's not impossible something like this could be happening, and there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence presented in the community findings. There's no actual hard proof...yet. It hasnt been proven fact or fiction in any way. The fact no formal investigation has even been made into this being a possibility is what really drives it home for me. MSM is so furiously attacking this as "fake news" that it's only adding fuel to the conspiracy fire IMO. I'm hoping there will be more facts and info to come soon so this can be put to bed as either fact or fiction once and for all.

Investigations are frequently launched by circumstantial evidence to gather more and hard evidence.

https://pizzagate.wiki

https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

I dont want to imply any conclusion to this but in general promoting someone artificially to the "leader" of an idea or movement only with the intent to smear them immediately and have a chilling effect on the idea/group is becoming the best option for people, whether they realize the process or not

It's a moot point. Not a mute point.

It's "your point is moot, not mute"

Yeah, anyone who disagrees with you must be getting paid for it....

one of the rule of this sub is "Misleading, fabricated or sensationalist headlines are subject to removal." It seems Ironic and funny lol

I was contextualizing it for myself and making sure I understood correctly. Nothing more.

Are people still trying to push back against this story on here? That's weird, because the rest of the world has moved on and assumes this story is fake. I wonder why there would be dedicated oposition to this story on here, at this point, if everyone else believes it's old, fake news. They should be at the point of ignoring a harmless story, right? Telling.

I consistently question on pedogate posts and I'm not getting paid for it. People don't need to be hired to discredit some of the accusations. 500 lost or missing children is not proof of a massive government coverup of a pedophile ring in DC, I don't have to get a paycheck to say that.

I'm not saying there's no underground child sex rings out there, and won't discount people who are actually investigating them...But when someone walks into a pizza place with a gun to free the children it was time to step back a bit.

Just a note on the Clinton/Silsby emails, assisting American citizens jailed in foreign countries is something the Delartment of State handles pretty seriously. Clinton receiving emails about the shady movement of children out of Haiti and the subsequent arrests/trials isn't very far fetched.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/emergencies/arrest.html

Don't even go as far as invalidate. People are being hired to steer discussion about pizzagate. That there would be people who find it profitable to manipulate something that should be so universal as pizzagate is just fucckkeeddd

Removed. Rule 4.

he/she is paid to defend the indefensible things.

It's actually quite easy to defend that which has no facts against it.

The only hard part is when people throw a gish gallop at you, that's just annoying.

September 11th two thousand fun

Omg this thread is ridiculous. All the pizzagate threads are. You have to be completely lacking in any sort of critical thinking skills to not notice how fucking stupid this shit sounds. Here's a newsflash for you, there's a really small fringe group of people who believe there is anything to "pizzagate" and to everyone else it sounds completely idiotic. Seriously, this is shapeshifting lizard people levels of ridiculous. So when people come in here and say "wow, this is really stupid" it isn't because they are being paid. No one is paying anyone to try and cover up "pizzagate". There's no need anyway, because even when presented with all the supposed evidence and smoking guns, the average person with at least one foot in reality will think this is completely ridiculous. How on Earth you look at any of those images and think they are sexual in nature... Like holy shit really? Do you also think that about the Coppertone kid? Or the child actors in TV ads? There is nothing sexual about those images. A band with the word "sex" in it played at 10pm once? Omfg call the police! Have you never been to a place that hosts small/local bands before? Jesus. You people take all these random, meaningless things and make absurd connections that aren't really there and come up with this ridiculously stupid conspiracy theory and then accuse people who say it's fucking nonsense of being paid shills. I for one know I'm not being paid, I'm just a preschool teacher browsing through reddit in my pajamas on a Sunday morning. The comments in this thread sound completely delusional and I think all of you should probably get off the internet before you lose all touch with reality. Go outside. Talk to other humans, in person. And for fucks sake work on your critical thinking skills.

He is. He uses other people's research and then gets donations from his "fans" because he talks about Pizzagate. He wrote a book on how to get rich off of the internet conning people.

To clear his name.

To protect the child from wild speculation on the internet .

To protect his business.

Plenty of the reasons.

Even if doesn't want to what about all the other people in the girls life,teachers,doctors,neighbors ,friends,friends of friends,parents at the child's school.Does jimmy pizzaboy control all of them too?

I don't think this mob is blood hungry.

mobs are basically by definition blood hungry, the eusocial beast we humans form together like an ugly pancake voltron is clumsy and violent and prone to screaming rage.

and there plenty of reason for pizzagate's targets to fear the mob is blood hungry, a man already went into comet ping pong with a gun. So thats score one for "pizzagate believing nuts may show up and shoot you" while "pizzagate believers are reasonable people and the facts are indisputable" is still sitting at zero.

and pedophiles are, rightly, vilified and reviled, being accused of being one is a smear and a stink that cannot be easily washed off no matter how baseless the accusation.

people like to think that they are heroes. they also want to perform horrible atrocities, but they want to be justified and heroic in doing them. Killing pedophiles is a fantasy which neatly satisfies these requirements For this reason the pizzagate story has no doubt captured the hopes and dreams of a number of wannabe violent sociopaths. And people who like a story become invested in believing in it, and once that happens no evidence that contradicts that story will ever to change their mind.

but I don't think it would be too groundbreaking in the grand scheme of things

If high level officials who have "authority" were proven to be molesting children and lying about it, that would absolutely be groundbreaking and it would affect every single person in the world.

Everyone would need to realize that people in power lie. They did lie, and in that scenario they lied about something that would go beyond mafia level crimes. The average person would need to seriously question what authority even means. Why were these people trusted in the first place? Why did the average person think they were "normal" and trust them, give them power, etc?

I agree that topics like ET, life after death, higher dimensions, what is consciousness... these are more significant than satanic elite practices. But to say it wouldn't be "too groundbreaking" if well known politicians were literally arrested and convicted of this? No my dude. That would be one of the most groundbreaking events in centuries.

to plant all those weird IG posts, put a pedo symbol in a restaurant logo, incept the Podestas to buy twisted quasi-pedophillic art, then leak emails containing code talk that brings it all together???

highlighted the things i consider to be huge assumptions, the interpretation of which drastically alters perception of ht whole business, though i'd like to see a source from before the pizzagate copypasta that shows blue triangles to actually be pedo symbols in the first place.

heres a theory, russian propaganda agents leaked (some evidence suggests altered as well) podesta's emails. Deciding they weren't incriminating enough to smear the democrats with, as was desirable since they were trying to prop up donnie dumbshit, they made up a highly incriminating interpretation of some office jokes about pizza. Which was probably code for weed come to think about it, i always buy mine by the "slice" or 1/8th. This disinformation was fortified with images of some creepy looking art podesta bought and some unverified and extremely circumstantial and tenuous links to random child disappearances. This whole business was compiled into an easily spread meme image and disseminated anonymously through 4chan.

4chan, being the sort of place people go and post cp, has a large population of users who are in deep denial about their own disgusting urges or why they're surfing /b, and this population latched onto to this story cause it has everything their fevered imaginations most secretly fantasize about: people in positions of power abusing kids with impunity. So it caught and it spread.

Compare that with the difficulty that would be involved in actually running an elite pedo ring, you just can't reliably hire that many sociopaths and pedos, and keeping it quiet on top of that? And not to mention sociopaths will turn on you before the first opportunity, and pedos are basically by definition in a position of weakness and vulnerability which is highly exploitable.

Way to try and derail me bro! High five!

What does that have to do with this?