Why? If you can't give me the answers I'm looking for, why would I stop asking questions? If you'd be so helpful as to answer ANY of my questions addressed above, that would be amazing.
We are in a conspiracy subreddit.
We are here to ask, and answer questions.
20 years ago we were nutcases thinking anything could be going on in the Catholic church.
Are you at all abashed that your first and key piece of evidence, a guy in a l'enfant t-shirt, has been so easily explained? L',enfant is a major revolutionary war figure and was the chief designer of Washington DC. A lot of stuff, including a popular nightclub are named after him. That t-shirt is from that club.
That isn't even my key piece of evidence at all. It even supports the deranged theory that there are tunnels under DC. If he's the chief designer of Washington DC, does it not raise suspicion at all that he could be in close with Alefantis, plotting?
I understand now the man Its names after passed away a long time ago. I do apologise for my ignorance. The term is ignorance. Not stupidity. I still think it is extremely fishy given the circumstances.
maybe if you would take a step back and actually think about what you are claiming rather than blindly rambling off whatever the latest youtube or natural news article stated, you wouldn't look like an idiot.
I'm halfway convinced people like you were shills to make anyone with a valid argument fearful of association with such raving lunatics.
If you truly believe Alefantis is completely innocent and this was all a matter of internet conspiracy theorists making propaganda against democrats blindly I really do envy you. I wish to believe that. But for fuck sakes Ted Gunderson has openely stated whats going on in regards to the illuminati, human sacrifice and child trafficking. Why do you think he suspiciously died after? Is there any evidence that leads you to believe he is up to absoloutely nothing and is innocent of all claims made against him?
The false dichotomy that you types try and push... exactly what I mean about forcing association with your lunatic ideals.
Anyone that legitimately questioned the associations and actions of those surrounding the podestas and alefantis are now tainted with your idiocy. I really hope you are getting paid well, because if there are (and there probably are) children that could have been saved by looking into alefantis, the failure of an investigation lies on useful idiots like yourself.
I respect your response. I'll have you know I WISH I was getting payed to write this shit. The fact you believe I am any type of "shill" just justifies your belief in things more absurd or equal to what I believe. And my beliefs are supported by circumstanstial evidence. Your beliefs are behind refuting said evidence. Shillmaster Keag4n, out.
You do understand the DC Police Chief is in tight with Alefantis? They've been photographed together. I can almost be sure hundreds of reports have been filed already.
Many people have submitted various evidence to the FBI but two things tell me they don't want to mess with this. One, the FBI is the biggest disseminator of CP on the internet, themselves and two, Comey has shown himself to not be interested in much other than protecting himself from getting caught on the losing side.
At any rate, we have yet to see any definitive evidence that the FBI is responding to reports that have been given to them.
That guy works at a place called L' Enfant, it's not that hard to figure out. Sorry gay dudes make you uncomfortable. If you want this investigation to be taken seriously, I'd refrain from spreading purposely misleading "evidence" that has been debunked as being relevant.
"J’ ❤ L’Enfant" t-shirt was in reference to the L’Enfant Cafe-Bar in DC, whose owner is pictured in the image, and which itself was named after Pierre Charles L'Enfant, designer of much of the layout of Washington, DC.
That said, according to this kind of loony logic, one could also deduce that anyone wearing a "I ❤ U.S. Army Infantry" t-shirt is also an infant-loving pedophile, no? Do you not see your self-induced hysteria, yet?
Thank you for your post. I respect your answer. I however do not respect you calling my logic "loony". I, in fact would not call anyone wearing U.S Army Infantry a Pedophile, as the two words at hand are completely different.
I wrote this post because HUMAN TRAFFICKING RINGS ARE REAL. THATS FACT. Politicians/high ranking members of society are PROVEN to be pedophiles, and PROVEN to have attempted to cover things up.
These are the most innocent, loving beings we have, and they are proven to be handed over to sadistic fuckers who prey on their innocence. Ted Gunderson has admitted it himself, before he was killed.
Can you reason with my skepticism?
I wrote this post because HUMAN TRAFFICKING RINGS ARE REAL. THATS FACT. Politicians/high ranking members of society are PROVEN to be pedophiles, and PROVEN to have attempted to cover things up.
No one here denies this! What people take issue is with the Clinton/Alefantis accusation specifically, which there is no serious evidence for.
There isn't. I've asked for evidence over and over and over, and I've never received anything other than "YOU'RE A SHILL" or "YOU'RE A PEDO SYMPATHIZER". Seriously, if you have info on witnesses, victims, physical evidence, etc. let me know.
Just for the record, since you already more or less hinted you won't accept circumstantial evidence, what kind of serial rapist leaves physical evidence lying around?
What about the blatantly suspicious Instagram page featuring pictures of grown men covered in blood while rolling around in drag beside a ping pong table, the odd sexualization of food and children through art, the fact pizza shops have been associated to mob syndicates and criminal activity since their conception because it's a cash business, and the odd importance of random pizza shop guy who is somehow connected to a variety of politicians?
If you really want to get into it do the work yourself, but to say there is no evidence just proves you are glossing over it. Evidence isn't always explicit, sometimes it's implicit. Use context, connect the dots yourself, and you will see the obviousness of what is going on.
What about the blatantly suspicious Instagram page featuring pictures of grown men covered in blood while rolling around in drag beside a ping pong table, the odd sexualization of food and children through art, the fact pizza shops have been associated to mob syndicates and criminal activity since their conception because it's a cash business, and the odd importance of random pizza shop guy who is somehow connected to a variety of politicians?
All of these things are extremely circumstantial, and there's not even good reason to believe a lot of these connections.
Nobody is out to get James Alefantis.
Uh, a ton of people are. Because they see Alefantis as a connection to the Clintons.
A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is popularly, but mistakenly, considered more powerful. Many successful criminal prosecutions rely largely or entirely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. Much of the evidence against convicted American bomber Timothy McVeigh was circumstantial, for example. Speaking about McVeigh's trial, University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht said, "Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence." The 2004 murder trial of Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based heavily on circumstantial evidence.
You got BTFO on your very first piece of evidence and your response is "HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS REAL SO MY LOGIC IS SOUND". Rather than hysterically pointing at "innocent, loving children", try critical, fact-based reasoning.
That's the problem with #pizzagate -- if the Hillary connection hadn't been invented, nobody would even be talking about this. And it all devolves into "WHY DONT YOU CARE ABOUT TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN??"
If the Hillary connection wasn't there we would still have a fucking psycho posting Instagram pics of fetishizing infants to promote his "kid friendly" restaurant. Anyone posting those pictures ANYWHERE else on a restaurant instagram I believe would be swiftly fired.
Why was the hard drive destroyed with the shooting at CPP? Why does the shooter have an IMDB?
These are question yet to answered directly with people dealing with Alefantis, or himself.
If the Hillary connection wasn't there we would still have a fucking psycho posting Instagram pics of fetishizing infants to promote his "kid friendly" restaurant. Anyone posting those pictures ANYWHERE else on a restaurant instagram I believe would be swiftly fired.
No my friend. If the Hillary connection hadn't been invented, nobody would feel the need to read pedophilia into the fact that a family restaurant with ping pong tables calls itself "kid friendly".
Why was the hard drive destroyed with the shooting at CPP?
A destroyed computer isn't evidence of wrongdoing. Given your obsession with this silly fantasy, you might read wrongdoing into it. But that says more about your biased perspective than about the veracity of this "conspiracy".
Why does the shooter have an IMDB?
Exact same point holds here. The existence of unfounded questions, to which you won't accept an answer anyway, doesn't make the pizzagate fantasy real. It just shows that you and your voat friendos suffer from an excess of free time and hate for Hillary.
I keep asking for evidence that a hard drive with cpp was destroyed by the shooter, and not a single fucking person on r/conspiracy has provided it to me or anyone else asking.
First of all, "loony" is not a personal attack on you, but #pizzagators in general. The so-called "evidence" just doesn't get past go. In fact, it screams political and religiously-inspired witchhunt against Democrats and anyone else who doesn't conform to conservative norms (i.e., homosexuals or people who like deviant art).
That said, who in their right mind doesn't detest human trafficking or doesn't loathe child molesters? Further, insinuating that child molestation is more prevalent among the elite is pure conjecture at best. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's much more common among families of all classes, if anyone.
I understand that it could be a sub-conspiracy in itself - A giant propaganda scheme to take down the democrats. I hope it's that tbh. In reality, you gotta admit this whole situation is completely fucked.
If #pizzagate ever gets past wild conjecture stage, then I'm all for investigating and prosecuting whomever to the fullest extent of the law. Til then, it still smells like political witchhunt meme.
Otherwise, if you care to take a serious look at what's actually already passed the stink test regarding child trafficking among the elite and is currently winding its way through the courts, then keep your eye on the upcoming depositions in the Virginia Roberts-Giuffre lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell scheduled for May 15th.
Agent Orange is a foreign asset, but your narrative keeps calling out the wrong nation as owner (which is a fatal flaw in the proceedings). Maxwell and Epstein belong to whom??? (hint: same owners). DNC servers (and email accts) were, in reality, a free-for-all in foreign surveillance. Red-led house committee will end up digging out whistle-blowers for "illegal dissemination" and unethical masking of names in intelligence reports. In order to create plausible deniability for the Russian hacking claims, House committee will bring in the Congressional Police investigation of Pakistani ISI affiliated IT personnel ("Awan Brothers"). This will expose various types of trafficking associated with topples of foreign governments (like "successful" ones in Libya and Ukraine) and especially the failed coup in Turkey. Flynn's early resignation makes his work for Erdogan admissible in the investigation (without incriminating his work at trying to hand over Gulen, who will be branded a drug/arms/human trafficker and terrorist).
The bigger picture is that the "deep state war" is between the forces of Zionism and Globalism. Zionists have the Globalists checkmated through use of Brownstone-like blackmail operations (Zio politicians are checkmated, too - but it enforces their support). I predict that there will be many arrests (nobody too high profile, though - top levels will probably just die off of "natural causes"). In all, this will have the look of a partisan purge, which I think sets a very bad precedent for our country. Anyhow, I know that you are not wrong to be suspicious of Orange One. I just wanted to share who I think the real owners are and why your narrative is doomed to fail (or really, to backfire and completely destroy DNC credibility in the near term). I think that DNC knows this to some extent, which is why they just fired all of their staffers. I predict that this process will take about 2 years to play out, which will only help your opposite partisans. Does this sound possible/probable to you?
why not check with a 3rd party investigation then? If they have nothing to hide then it shouldn't be a problem right?
see that's the logic the elite puts on us everyday, even when we aren't part of a crime. Don't you think it makes sense just to check and be sure with all these coincidences?
Check the building ownership and permits of all the suspected businesses (pizza, ping pong, shipping warehouses and containers). Start checking in on Alefantis'/Tony Podesta's whereabouts, who they mingle with and correspond with, how often they frequent those places, etc. Detectives do this type of shit without warrants all the time to regular people, why not them?
Then from there, see if there are any other coincidences with that information that lead to anything suspect in terms of pedophilia or trafficking.
Ya know, basic detective work off the leads that are out in the public. Like cops have always done?
If you respect his answer then change your post. To his defense, your post is claiming the shirt represents something that it does not.
The shirt is something, but it's not what you claim it is up top. Do some research on Pierre Charles L'Enfant and you'll find he's the designer of the Washington Monument (Phallic building), layout of DC (pentagrams), and other suspecting areas. There is something to this guy that dates back to secret societies and the founding of the U.S. And who knows, maybe the cafe created with his name is up to no good either.
But when you have small bits of information incorrect in your findings it opens you up to shilling, and can discredit your overall post.
Hey man thanks for the response. I understand now where the shirt comes from. It still doesn't add up to him saying he hates children. Why post that on your instagram? To me it seems even more fishy that he has ties to the guy who builds things around DC.
Here I go being a nutcase again...
Could Alefantis be given inside info from this guy about the secret layouts in DC?
What does my reddit research account name have to do with any of this? I made it right around the time of the Podesta leaks in relation to the content of those emails.
Do you realize that guy in the picture with the shirt is not even Alefantis, doesn't even look like him. It's Christopher Lynch, co-owner of L'Enfant cafe. Is it weird to wear your own business attire at your own reastuant.
L'Enfant died in 1825, so I doubt he knows him personally.
So, I am calling you out, James. I know you browse VOAT, I know you browse reddit. I've seen the Pegasus video. We've all seen your Instagram. WE WANT ANSWERS.
Sure. Link me to any kind of pedophile, and my involvement with them in any way. I'd be happy to take a lie detector test. I'd be happy to attest to any rumors directed at me, no matter how harsh they are.
I don't fetishize infants on my social media. I don't post nude photos or people covered in blood advertising my restaurant. I do not post pictures of kill rooms. I don't have DIRECT links to high profile members of politics, involved in pedophilia cases.
EDIT: At the very least, it wouldn't mean he's guilty, it would mean it would be evidence enough to warrant a REAL investigation, which hasn't happened.
Why doesn't Alefantis DIRECTLY address the CONTROVERSIAL issues at hand on live TV, instead of brushing it off as fake news? (Fake news which coincidentally skyrocketed when pizzagate blew up)
Why? Those things are nonsense. There's no such thing as a machine that detects lies.
The rest of your post is irrelevant. I've just potentially opened up myself for libel and if I pursued the point and could potentially be sued for everything I have.
Therefore you're guilty.
it would mean it would be evidence enough to warrant a REAL investigation
No it wouldn't
If what you've provided is sufficient to investigate someone, then say goodbye to your own personal rights.
There have been legitimate lawyers on here saying that the circumstantial evidence on Instagram would be enough to warrant an investigation, let alone ALL the other stuff.
I remember seeing either here, or VOAT, someone who claimed to be a lawyer stated it would be evidence enough to warrant an investigation. I apologize if I am incorrect. Maybe someone could fact check or maybe someone seeing this comment can confirm either you or I is correct?
No there isn't. I made a mistake in wording and phrasing. I apologize if that has offended you. I do remember seeing someone claiming to be a legit lawyer either here or on voat. I am sorry if my memory is playing tricks. I personally believe there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation, not only him but Podesta, as well as the Clintons. I mean, fuck, we all know about Bill and the Lolita.
It's been up for 40 minutes and it's 77% upvoted, yet the mysterious 'shills' are all over this? Come the fuck on. You're just looking for an excuse to validate your already flimsy opinion.
How is it that with 2 posts and 3 comments totaling 11 karma, your 28 day old Reddit account boasts 9,944 karma? Are they preloading karma onto trolling shill accounts now?
It's like they're attempting to use the internet lingo or type of speech they think will let them blend in to the fold here, but it's just awkward and obvious. I hope they don't pay these guys shit, because that's the results they're getting with these shills. Maybe it's a straight up bot, but who knows?
You've been on this sub since the election right? I remember when they first claimed that Russia hacked the election and NOBODY on this sub bought that story. Now it seems like a sizable amount of users here believe in the Russia propaganda which is funny since this is a CONSPIRACY sub that's gives you reasons not to believe msm and politicians. I'll admit that I supported Trump in the election but only because he wasent Hillary Clinton
The MSM is enemy number 1 here. The recent confidence in the MSM on this sub is troubling and should be cause of suspicion of the users credibility. Skepticism should be standard here and just rolling with the narrative produced by the MSM is going to out the tourists.
I know, shit like that...and there has been extensive arguments by fools or shills about how this is obviously just a coincidental mistranslation. But I do not fuckin buy it one bit. With all of the other tongue in cheek references these motherfuckers have all over the place, it is obvious that innuendo like this is their MO. These people not only participate in the sickest shit on the planet, they think it is funny.
My theory is that he has been an agent from birth. You know how kids that were abused usually abused too, so it would make sense that he has been an abused kid by the elites and then placed as a agent to handle the kids later in life and given this name as a child by the f*****-up satanic pedophiles
Oh look, it's you again, the Alefantis defender. The way you show up in every Alefantis thread, and the first to defend his name, is starting to look like you're connected. That you James?
Is my comment right or wrong? Alefantis's genealogy was researched by internet sleuths, who said that was his real family name, traceable back generations.
Do you not want people to know this? I am puzzled by the purpose of your comment.
I'm much more interested in you, but you know that, because we've butted heads four times before. You're always the first one into these PG threads, defending these people, long before the "internet research" actually happened. Shall I link the history of our dances, and all the super questionable statements you make where you think its NORMAL to talk about killing and butchering at formal dinners, NORMAL to put pictures of butchering animals as your background screen saver, NORMAL to have pictures of cannibalism on your office wall (all things you've said)? Shall I link to the statistical analysis of your account, and the others in this thread that statistically match yours? Shall I point out that your account was dead for FOUR YEARS before it suddenly found a use again in defending pedophiles? Shall I point out that your account, while having VASTLY higher numbers in /r/conspiracy than any other subreddit, actually verified their email, something that only reddit noobs do and certainly something /r/conspiracy regulars would never do?
Everything about you says "I have no idea what I'm doing but I must defend this shit at all costs."
I'm much more interested in you, but you know that, because we've butted heads four times before.
Actually, until you pointed it out, I didn't notice. I'm much more interested in facts and sources than in who is posting. I find the obsession with who is posting what to be really weird.
You're always the first one into these PG threads, defending these people, long before the "internet research" actually happened.
I don't know what you mean. Alefantis's genealogy was researched back in the first week of November.
Shall I link the history of our dances, and all the super questionable statements you make where you think its NORMAL to talk about killing and butchering at formal dinners
If you're talking about this dinner, he was talking to a food columnist and cookbook author at an "informal Sunday dinner for six". He was talking to her while cooking: "Interspersed are funny, self-deprecating stories, including tales of his tour of duty as a guide wearing an 18th-century costume that involved slaughtering and roasting pigs."
As I said in our previous conversation, "I've never talked to somebody who has slaughtered animals for a living, but I have talked about the subject with some people who have lived on farms and done it. Although the subject is unpleasant, I didn't find them creepy."
NORMAL to put pictures of butchering animals as your background screen saver, NORMAL to have pictures of cannibalism on your office wall (all things you've said)?
I don't think I've said either of those. I did say that I don't think John Podesta is a "creepy little fucker", and I thought the reasons you offered up for Podesta being creepy were not convincing.
Shall I link to the statistical analysis of your account, and the others in this thread that statistically match yours?
Go right ahead. This is the only account that I'm using in this thread. I occassionally use another account in this sub when I want to say something really sarcastic or satirical. But that's less than one comment per month, on average.
I don't get paid for this and I don't work with anybody else.
Shall I point out that your account was dead for FOUR YEARS before it suddenly found a use again in defending pedophiles?
As I have said before, I initially set up this account to say more controversial things than I wanted to say with my main account. After a few weeks, I decided that was too much trouble and I just dropped it.
My main account was banned by the reddit admins in the great Sandy Hook ban of Feb. 1, 2014, so I started using this as my main account.
Shall I point out that your account, while having VASTLY higher numbers in /r/conspiracy than any other subreddit, actually verified their email, something that only reddit noobs do and certainly something /r/conspiracy regulars would never do?
"didn't notice" is a lie because I lead off with "it's you again", just as I had done in our previous discussions of your defense of pedophiles such as the one here, or here. Pretty much a weekly thing between you and I, even though you pretend otherwise. And yes, you linked the discussion I'm referring to. The one anybody can go read and see you defending exactly what I said. Just because you try to obfuscate it within a wall of text doesn't mean it didn't happen. So yeah, you defend Alefantis, and you defend Podesta, at every turn. Right there it is.
As far as your account, you say weeks, but the post history says FOUR YEARS. While there are "weeks" within FOUR YEARS, it's pretty shitty of you to think /r/conspiracy would just let that obvious WORD SMITHING mean anything other than you attempting to deceive.
I certainly don't remember accusing you of being PAID to defend pedophiles, but it's curious that you would bring that up. Deflection or Projection... both are good possibilities.
So?
So it means you have other reasons to constantly spam /r/conspiracy besides an honest interest in conspiracies. You're here to defend pedophiles. It's ALL YOU DO HERE.
"didn't notice" is a lie because I lead off with "it's you again", just as I had done in our previous discussions of your defense of pedophiles such as the one here, or here. Pretty much a weekly thing between you and I, even though you pretend otherwise.
No, really, my memory is not that great, I guess. I've gotten lots of similar "oh, you again" comments over the years.
And yes, you linked the discussion I'm referring to. The one anybody can go read and see you defending exactly what I said. Just because you try to obfuscate it within a wall of text doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I encourage anyone to read the entire exchange. I didn't obfuscate anything.
So yeah, you defend Alefantis, and you defend Podesta, at every turn. Right there it is.
I've never denied that. I think this pizzagate witch hunt is the most disturbing thing that's every happened on reddit, even topping the whole Sandy Hook denial. I saw a performance of The Crucible last October, then just weeks later it happened right before my eyes. It's just stunning how easily led some people are and how gullible. And the things that people consider evidence, holy shit! I can't believe that James Woods still thinks that "walnut sauce" is anything other than food!
As far as your account, you say weeks, but the post history says FOUR YEARS. While there are "weeks" within FOUR YEARS, it's pretty shitty of you to think /r/conspiracy would just let that obvious WORD SMITHING mean anything other than you attempting to deceive.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I used the twsmith account for a few weeks at the beginning (well, a few months now that I look at it). Then I stopped using it until my main account was banned. Yes, that was four years.
So what? How does that affect the substance of what I say?
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So it means you have other reasons to constantly spam /r/conspiracy besides an honest interest in conspiracies. You're here to defend pedophiles. It's ALL YOU DO HERE.
What does having a verified email address have to do with anything? I just checked and 8 out of the 10 moderators here have verified email addresses.
Yes, I defend accused pedophiles. People who are almost certainly innocent and have been accused by people they've never met, based on evidence that spans the range from the fraudulent to the bizarre. Clearly, since I've been here since before pizzagate, that's not all I'm here for. Anybody can look at my comments and see that it's not the only thing I comment about.
My comments are in reaction to what's posted here. If people post stupid things about pizzagate, I'll respond to them if I have the time.
NinjaEdit: oh, and btw peeps, except for a single post, his account "dead zone" was actually six years. "few weeks my hairy ass.
I would try to clarify for you again about this account, but I think that I've already done it for anybody that actually reads what I wrote. But more importantly, what the fuck does it matter?
I could easily write a wall of text about whether the Rothschilds own central banks, if you really want me to. But, instead, here's an exercise. Suppose you found a piece of paper on the ground with two statements:
A. All but 3 of the central banks in the world are owned by the Rothschilds.
B. There are no Rothschild-controlled banks in the world. It is a hoax.
How would you go about determining whether statement A is true or statement B is true or the truth is somewhere in between?
Since you just found these on the ground, you can't whether the statement A was written by someone with a verified email address account on reddit, or by someone whose account is only 3 days old.
Prince Andrew (but there are tons of articles on Andrew's links to Epstein - in the UK they call it "The Prince Andrew Scandal"): http://archive.is/MVCuQ
a post on new with 67 comments within the hour, looks like you woke up the pedo defenders, shit is so obvious how guilty they are, and like other users have pointed out, there is blood on your hands pedo defenders.
Prostituted by the Australian government to RICHARD NIXON at RAAF Fairbairne military airport, Canberra. Operation Attest refused to investigate this incident. They promised to at least investigate and tell me whether or not there was a centrifuge at the base, used to train pilots in – to validate my memories.
Why are you conflating two different issues? The British media coverup of Jimmy Saville was a massive scandal but has nothing to do with the internet allegation against the DC pizza shops.
Four pictures:
The guy owned a restaurant called "L'Enfants" so he's wearing a shirt declaring his love for his own restaurant. "L'Enfant" is a name, you're mixing it up with "Les enfants" which means "the children".
Those two people had a business relationship. I believe that Podesta used his pizza shop as a fundraiser. So what?
Everyone in the British media was either duped by Jimmy Saville or actively involved in covering up his crimes. There is no evidence that the government was involved in the cover ups. Certainly not at a high level.
As far as Prince Charles knew, Saville was just a popular celebrity children's entertainer.
Why was Saville, Charles, and Thomas Hamilton hanging out and laughing? Saville was with Charles a lot. Just watching the documentary on Saville you can tell he's a psychopath. I'm sure PC knew.
Oh, you're sure he knew. Guess that's all the proof we need that the scandal went to the top! And that proves that a random DC pizza restaurant is some sort of child trafficking center how exactly?
Why THE FUCK would you post a picture on Instagram with a guy wearing a "I love children shirt"? WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT?
As /u/WolfgangJones points out: "J’ ❤ L’Enfant" t-shirt was in reference to the L’Enfant Cafe-Bar in DC, whose owner is pictured in the image, and which itself was named after Pierre Charles L'Enfant, designer of much of the layout of Washington, DC."
How would Alefantis know that? Even if Prince Charles knew that Savile was a pedophile —which there's no evidence of— what does that have to do with Alefantis?
Why is Prince Charles photographed with young children around him playing pingpong on YOUR CPP Facebook page?
http://imgur.com/a/KMZNH
They posted lots of ping pong-related pictures.
WE WANT ANSWERS! DIRECT ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND?
How do you know Tony Podesta?
They both live in Washington, D.C. and are both involved in the local art scene as well as Democratic Party politics. Alefantis used to own an art gallery and is president of the Transformer artist's organization in DC. Tony Podesta is a major art collector and has hosted Transformer events at his house. Also, Alefantis used to be the boyfriend of David Brock, who is very connected to Democratic Party politics.
How do you know Prince Charles?
It's very doubtful that he knows Prince Charles. The ping pong photo is from Agence France Presse, taken in England in 2004.
Aren't you just a lousy pizza shop owner? How do you know so many influential people with DIRECT ties to pedophilia and human trafficking?
Don't fall for the trap of only focusing on alefantis and comet pizza. The clinton foundation is the meat and taters of the whole revelations. The human trafficking in haiti along with the selling of our guarded secrets. All the way up to SAP level programs. While alefantis is most likely guilty. I doubt he is anything more than 1 place where they go to have their pedophile parties.
Go here for a list of almost every bit of pizzagate evidence.
It is a collection of pretty much all investigative threads into every connection so far. But if someone is looking for a professional write up from a person who actually deals with human trafficking and has shut down rings... Read Yoichi Shimatsu's 10 part expose on pizzagate.
Curious about Clinton foundation trafficking and Dyncorp? Watch george webb series on youtube. He outlines it all with real evidence. And a bit of connecting the dots to show what is really going on in the middle east.
There was a whole thread about the t-shirt photo in another form. You can read through it and see what they came up with (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1450635).
"didn't notice" is a lie because I lead off with "it's you again", just as I had done in our previous discussions of your defense of pedophiles such as the one here, or here. Pretty much a weekly thing between you and I, even though you pretend otherwise. And yes, you linked the discussion I'm referring to. The one anybody can go read and see you defending exactly what I said. Just because you try to obfuscate it within a wall of text doesn't mean it didn't happen. So yeah, you defend Alefantis, and you defend Podesta, at every turn. Right there it is.
As far as your account, you say weeks, but the post history says FOUR YEARS. While there are "weeks" within FOUR YEARS, it's pretty shitty of you to think /r/conspiracy would just let that obvious WORD SMITHING mean anything other than you attempting to deceive.
I certainly don't remember accusing you of being PAID to defend pedophiles, but it's curious that you would bring that up. Deflection or Projection... both are good possibilities.
So?
So it means you have other reasons to constantly spam /r/conspiracy besides an honest interest in conspiracies. You're here to defend pedophiles. It's ALL YOU DO HERE.
NinjaEdit: oh, and btw peeps, except for a single post, his account "dead zone" was actually six years. "few weeks my hairy ass.
I would try to clarify for you again about this account, but I think that I've already done it for anybody that actually reads what I wrote. But more importantly, what the fuck does it matter?
I could easily write a wall of text about whether the Rothschilds own central banks, if you really want me to. But, instead, here's an exercise. Suppose you found a piece of paper on the ground with two statements:
A. All but 3 of the central banks in the world are owned by the Rothschilds.
B. There are no Rothschild-controlled banks in the world. It is a hoax.
How would you go about determining whether statement A is true or statement B is true or the truth is somewhere in between?
Since you just found these on the ground, you can't whether the statement A was written by someone with a verified email address account on reddit, or by someone whose account is only 3 days old.
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n/a Darbydoodle 2017-03-28
ugh... just stop
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Why? If you can't give me the answers I'm looking for, why would I stop asking questions? If you'd be so helpful as to answer ANY of my questions addressed above, that would be amazing.
We are in a conspiracy subreddit.
We are here to ask, and answer questions.
20 years ago we were nutcases thinking anything could be going on in the Catholic church.
n/a rmwe 2017-03-28
Are you at all abashed that your first and key piece of evidence, a guy in a l'enfant t-shirt, has been so easily explained? L',enfant is a major revolutionary war figure and was the chief designer of Washington DC. A lot of stuff, including a popular nightclub are named after him. That t-shirt is from that club.
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n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
That isn't even my key piece of evidence at all. It even supports the deranged theory that there are tunnels under DC. If he's the chief designer of Washington DC, does it not raise suspicion at all that he could be in close with Alefantis, plotting?
n/a rmwe 2017-03-28
Haha, what? L'enfant died 200 years ago.
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
my god... the stupidity...
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
I understand now the man Its names after passed away a long time ago. I do apologise for my ignorance. The term is ignorance. Not stupidity. I still think it is extremely fishy given the circumstances.
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
maybe if you would take a step back and actually think about what you are claiming rather than blindly rambling off whatever the latest youtube or natural news article stated, you wouldn't look like an idiot.
I'm halfway convinced people like you were shills to make anyone with a valid argument fearful of association with such raving lunatics.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
If you truly believe Alefantis is completely innocent and this was all a matter of internet conspiracy theorists making propaganda against democrats blindly I really do envy you. I wish to believe that. But for fuck sakes Ted Gunderson has openely stated whats going on in regards to the illuminati, human sacrifice and child trafficking. Why do you think he suspiciously died after? Is there any evidence that leads you to believe he is up to absoloutely nothing and is innocent of all claims made against him?
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
The false dichotomy that you types try and push... exactly what I mean about forcing association with your lunatic ideals.
Anyone that legitimately questioned the associations and actions of those surrounding the podestas and alefantis are now tainted with your idiocy. I really hope you are getting paid well, because if there are (and there probably are) children that could have been saved by looking into alefantis, the failure of an investigation lies on useful idiots like yourself.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
I respect your response. I'll have you know I WISH I was getting payed to write this shit. The fact you believe I am any type of "shill" just justifies your belief in things more absurd or equal to what I believe. And my beliefs are supported by circumstanstial evidence. Your beliefs are behind refuting said evidence. Shillmaster Keag4n, out.
n/a JoeChristma 2017-03-28
It supports the idea that there are tunnels underneath DC? Doubt they've met considering L'Enfant has been dead a couple centuries.
n/a outtanutmeds 2017-03-28
James...? Is that you??
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-28
Never stopping until there's justice.
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n/a Darbydoodle 2017-03-28
There it is!! thank you!! I love being called a Shill at least once a day...
n/a serephin 2017-03-28
No problem, it's something to be proud of /s
n/a Prgjdsaewweoidsm 2017-03-28
Have you reported everything to the DC police? FBI?
If so, have you given it a few weeks for a response?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
You do understand the DC Police Chief is in tight with Alefantis? They've been photographed together. I can almost be sure hundreds of reports have been filed already.
n/a Prgjdsaewweoidsm 2017-03-28
Ok, is there a federal law enforcement agency that might take a look? FBI?
Think outside the box a little, could you call the IRS on tax evasion for it? There's gotta be clean cops somewhere that have jurisdiction.
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-28
The DC police already lied about investigating CPP once.
n/a Prgjdsaewweoidsm 2017-03-28
Ok, have you tried other federal law enforcement?
n/a ABrilliantDisaster 2017-03-28
Many people have submitted various evidence to the FBI but two things tell me they don't want to mess with this. One, the FBI is the biggest disseminator of CP on the internet, themselves and two, Comey has shown himself to not be interested in much other than protecting himself from getting caught on the losing side.
At any rate, we have yet to see any definitive evidence that the FBI is responding to reports that have been given to them.
n/a paulie_purr 2017-03-28
That guy works at a place called L' Enfant, it's not that hard to figure out. Sorry gay dudes make you uncomfortable. If you want this investigation to be taken seriously, I'd refrain from spreading purposely misleading "evidence" that has been debunked as being relevant.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Thank you for your respectable response.
n/a WolfgangJones 2017-03-28
Why don't vast majority of folks take #pizzagate seriously? For example...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html?_r=0
That said, according to this kind of loony logic, one could also deduce that anyone wearing a "I ❤ U.S. Army Infantry" t-shirt is also an infant-loving pedophile, no? Do you not see your self-induced hysteria, yet?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Thank you for your post. I respect your answer. I however do not respect you calling my logic "loony". I, in fact would not call anyone wearing U.S Army Infantry a Pedophile, as the two words at hand are completely different.
I wrote this post because HUMAN TRAFFICKING RINGS ARE REAL. THATS FACT. Politicians/high ranking members of society are PROVEN to be pedophiles, and PROVEN to have attempted to cover things up.
These are the most innocent, loving beings we have, and they are proven to be handed over to sadistic fuckers who prey on their innocence. Ted Gunderson has admitted it himself, before he was killed. Can you reason with my skepticism?
n/a Groomper 2017-03-28
No one here denies this! What people take issue is with the Clinton/Alefantis accusation specifically, which there is no serious evidence for.
n/a ruleten 2017-03-28
There actually is quite a bit of evidence against James Alefantis, but you likely just ignore it.
n/a Groomper 2017-03-28
There isn't. I've asked for evidence over and over and over, and I've never received anything other than "YOU'RE A SHILL" or "YOU'RE A PEDO SYMPATHIZER". Seriously, if you have info on witnesses, victims, physical evidence, etc. let me know.
n/a ruleten 2017-03-28
Just for the record, since you already more or less hinted you won't accept circumstantial evidence, what kind of serial rapist leaves physical evidence lying around?
What about the blatantly suspicious Instagram page featuring pictures of grown men covered in blood while rolling around in drag beside a ping pong table, the odd sexualization of food and children through art, the fact pizza shops have been associated to mob syndicates and criminal activity since their conception because it's a cash business, and the odd importance of random pizza shop guy who is somehow connected to a variety of politicians?
If you really want to get into it do the work yourself, but to say there is no evidence just proves you are glossing over it. Evidence isn't always explicit, sometimes it's implicit. Use context, connect the dots yourself, and you will see the obviousness of what is going on.
Nobody is out to get James Alefantis.
n/a Groomper 2017-03-28
All of these things are extremely circumstantial, and there's not even good reason to believe a lot of these connections.
Uh, a ton of people are. Because they see Alefantis as a connection to the Clintons.
n/a ruleten 2017-03-28
On the validity of circumstantial evidence:
A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is popularly, but mistakenly, considered more powerful. Many successful criminal prosecutions rely largely or entirely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. Much of the evidence against convicted American bomber Timothy McVeigh was circumstantial, for example. Speaking about McVeigh's trial, University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht said, "Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence." The 2004 murder trial of Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based heavily on circumstantial evidence.
n/a trubaited 2017-03-28
Hurr tink of de childdrens!!
You got BTFO on your very first piece of evidence and your response is "HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS REAL SO MY LOGIC IS SOUND". Rather than hysterically pointing at "innocent, loving children", try critical, fact-based reasoning.
That's the problem with #pizzagate -- if the Hillary connection hadn't been invented, nobody would even be talking about this. And it all devolves into "WHY DONT YOU CARE ABOUT TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN??"
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
If the Hillary connection wasn't there we would still have a fucking psycho posting Instagram pics of fetishizing infants to promote his "kid friendly" restaurant. Anyone posting those pictures ANYWHERE else on a restaurant instagram I believe would be swiftly fired.
Why was the hard drive destroyed with the shooting at CPP? Why does the shooter have an IMDB?
These are question yet to answered directly with people dealing with Alefantis, or himself.
n/a trubaited 2017-03-28
No my friend. If the Hillary connection hadn't been invented, nobody would feel the need to read pedophilia into the fact that a family restaurant with ping pong tables calls itself "kid friendly".
A destroyed computer isn't evidence of wrongdoing. Given your obsession with this silly fantasy, you might read wrongdoing into it. But that says more about your biased perspective than about the veracity of this "conspiracy".
Exact same point holds here. The existence of unfounded questions, to which you won't accept an answer anyway, doesn't make the pizzagate fantasy real. It just shows that you and your voat friendos suffer from an excess of free time and hate for Hillary.
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
I keep asking for evidence that a hard drive with cpp was destroyed by the shooter, and not a single fucking person on r/conspiracy has provided it to me or anyone else asking.
n/a WolfgangJones 2017-03-28
First of all, "loony" is not a personal attack on you, but #pizzagators in general. The so-called "evidence" just doesn't get past go. In fact, it screams political and religiously-inspired witchhunt against Democrats and anyone else who doesn't conform to conservative norms (i.e., homosexuals or people who like deviant art).
That said, who in their right mind doesn't detest human trafficking or doesn't loathe child molesters? Further, insinuating that child molestation is more prevalent among the elite is pure conjecture at best. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's much more common among families of all classes, if anyone.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
I understand that it could be a sub-conspiracy in itself - A giant propaganda scheme to take down the democrats. I hope it's that tbh. In reality, you gotta admit this whole situation is completely fucked.
n/a WolfgangJones 2017-03-28
If #pizzagate ever gets past wild conjecture stage, then I'm all for investigating and prosecuting whomever to the fullest extent of the law. Til then, it still smells like political witchhunt meme.
Otherwise, if you care to take a serious look at what's actually already passed the stink test regarding child trafficking among the elite and is currently winding its way through the courts, then keep your eye on the upcoming depositions in the Virginia Roberts-Giuffre lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell scheduled for May 15th.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-03-28
Agent Orange is a foreign asset, but your narrative keeps calling out the wrong nation as owner (which is a fatal flaw in the proceedings). Maxwell and Epstein belong to whom??? (hint: same owners). DNC servers (and email accts) were, in reality, a free-for-all in foreign surveillance. Red-led house committee will end up digging out whistle-blowers for "illegal dissemination" and unethical masking of names in intelligence reports. In order to create plausible deniability for the Russian hacking claims, House committee will bring in the Congressional Police investigation of Pakistani ISI affiliated IT personnel ("Awan Brothers"). This will expose various types of trafficking associated with topples of foreign governments (like "successful" ones in Libya and Ukraine) and especially the failed coup in Turkey. Flynn's early resignation makes his work for Erdogan admissible in the investigation (without incriminating his work at trying to hand over Gulen, who will be branded a drug/arms/human trafficker and terrorist).
The bigger picture is that the "deep state war" is between the forces of Zionism and Globalism. Zionists have the Globalists checkmated through use of Brownstone-like blackmail operations (Zio politicians are checkmated, too - but it enforces their support). I predict that there will be many arrests (nobody too high profile, though - top levels will probably just die off of "natural causes"). In all, this will have the look of a partisan purge, which I think sets a very bad precedent for our country. Anyhow, I know that you are not wrong to be suspicious of Orange One. I just wanted to share who I think the real owners are and why your narrative is doomed to fail (or really, to backfire and completely destroy DNC credibility in the near term). I think that DNC knows this to some extent, which is why they just fired all of their staffers. I predict that this process will take about 2 years to play out, which will only help your opposite partisans. Does this sound possible/probable to you?
n/a WolfgangJones 2017-03-28
There will be many not too high profile arrests? Possible.
Doomed to fail? Probable.
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
why not check with a 3rd party investigation then? If they have nothing to hide then it shouldn't be a problem right?
see that's the logic the elite puts on us everyday, even when we aren't part of a crime. Don't you think it makes sense just to check and be sure with all these coincidences?
n/a WolfgangJones 2017-03-28
Okay, I'll play along. Let's say you're a DC Police detective and I'm your supervisor. What do you want to check, specifically?
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
Check the building ownership and permits of all the suspected businesses (pizza, ping pong, shipping warehouses and containers). Start checking in on Alefantis'/Tony Podesta's whereabouts, who they mingle with and correspond with, how often they frequent those places, etc. Detectives do this type of shit without warrants all the time to regular people, why not them?
Then from there, see if there are any other coincidences with that information that lead to anything suspect in terms of pedophilia or trafficking.
Ya know, basic detective work off the leads that are out in the public. Like cops have always done?
n/a walnutpasta 2017-03-28
If you respect his answer then change your post. To his defense, your post is claiming the shirt represents something that it does not.
The shirt is something, but it's not what you claim it is up top. Do some research on Pierre Charles L'Enfant and you'll find he's the designer of the Washington Monument (Phallic building), layout of DC (pentagrams), and other suspecting areas. There is something to this guy that dates back to secret societies and the founding of the U.S. And who knows, maybe the cafe created with his name is up to no good either.
But when you have small bits of information incorrect in your findings it opens you up to shilling, and can discredit your overall post.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Hey man thanks for the response. I understand now where the shirt comes from. It still doesn't add up to him saying he hates children. Why post that on your instagram? To me it seems even more fishy that he has ties to the guy who builds things around DC.
Here I go being a nutcase again...
Could Alefantis be given inside info from this guy about the secret layouts in DC?
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-28
Did you even notice that guys name is walnutpasta???
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
I did. Meh.
n/a walnutpasta 2017-03-28
What does my reddit research account name have to do with any of this? I made it right around the time of the Podesta leaks in relation to the content of those emails.
n/a ayyybueyyy 2017-03-28
Could Alefantis be given inside info from this guy about the secret layouts in DC?
Pierre L'Efant died in 1825.
n/a ZukoFireLord 2017-03-28
Do you realize that guy in the picture with the shirt is not even Alefantis, doesn't even look like him. It's Christopher Lynch, co-owner of L'Enfant cafe. Is it weird to wear your own business attire at your own reastuant.
L'Enfant died in 1825, so I doubt he knows him personally.
n/a walnutpasta 2017-03-28
My guess is that Alefantis knows much about the DC layout. Who he found it out from is beyond me.
Keep in mind all of his properties align with newly discovered tunnels as well laid out by this Voat user here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1551878
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
You have proof he reads VOAT or Reddit? pls
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U
Why would this guy call out Alefantis knowing he and his family could be sued for everything they have?
Because James is guilty.
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
This logic is so bad.
If I make a video calling you a pedo (Opening me for a libel lawsuit) - Does that mean you're guilty?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Sure. Link me to any kind of pedophile, and my involvement with them in any way. I'd be happy to take a lie detector test. I'd be happy to attest to any rumors directed at me, no matter how harsh they are.
I don't fetishize infants on my social media. I don't post nude photos or people covered in blood advertising my restaurant. I do not post pictures of kill rooms. I don't have DIRECT links to high profile members of politics, involved in pedophilia cases.
EDIT: At the very least, it wouldn't mean he's guilty, it would mean it would be evidence enough to warrant a REAL investigation, which hasn't happened.
Why doesn't Alefantis DIRECTLY address the CONTROVERSIAL issues at hand on live TV, instead of brushing it off as fake news? (Fake news which coincidentally skyrocketed when pizzagate blew up)
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
Why? Those things are nonsense. There's no such thing as a machine that detects lies.
The rest of your post is irrelevant. I've just potentially opened up myself for libel and if I pursued the point and could potentially be sued for everything I have.
Therefore you're guilty.
No it wouldn't
If what you've provided is sufficient to investigate someone, then say goodbye to your own personal rights.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
There have been legitimate lawyers on here saying that the circumstantial evidence on Instagram would be enough to warrant an investigation, let alone ALL the other stuff.
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
No there hasn't.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
I remember seeing either here, or VOAT, someone who claimed to be a lawyer stated it would be evidence enough to warrant an investigation. I apologize if I am incorrect. Maybe someone could fact check or maybe someone seeing this comment can confirm either you or I is correct?
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
I see so you're changing your story from "legitimate lawyers" to "someone who claimed to be a lawyer "
And "on here" to "on voat"
Is there anything else you would like to change?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
No there isn't. I made a mistake in wording and phrasing. I apologize if that has offended you. I do remember seeing someone claiming to be a legit lawyer either here or on voat. I am sorry if my memory is playing tricks. I personally believe there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation, not only him but Podesta, as well as the Clintons. I mean, fuck, we all know about Bill and the Lolita.
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
If I called you a pedo, should there be an investigation into you?
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
I'm a legitimate lawyer on here. I'd say that's enough circumstantial evidence to investigate him for pedophilia.
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
If you're a lawyer, why did you post to /r/legaladvice asking for legal advice?
Like I said, no legitimate lawyers, only people claiming to be lawyers.
n/a rubber_roof 2017-03-28
Christ dude... It's too early and I'm not even on shift yet at the shill center...
I was mocking his 'legitimate lawyer' claims...
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n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
That's all you've got?
n/a serephin 2017-03-28
That's all I need
n/a Rockran 2017-03-28
Pathetic.
n/a Flytape 2017-03-28
Actually no, it's exactly what you/we don't need.
Do it again and you will be banned.
This is a warning that I'm not required to give you.
Rule 10.
n/a Rengas 2017-03-28
Trump is a pedophile.
Wow I can't believe I just blew this whole thing wide open by making a statement.
n/a soonerchad 2017-03-28
Shills are all over this! You must be right OP.
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n/a 1984BrainBot 2017-03-28
SnowFlake alert!
Hate is this way /r/politics
n/a comebackjoeyjojo 2017-03-28
TOP KEK
n/a outtanutmeds 2017-03-28
haha!!
Don't you just miss the ole Alex Jones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkcxbRSzDw
n/a trubaited 2017-03-28
Baseless allegations unsupported by fact. You must be right OP.
n/a Groomper 2017-03-28
It's been up for 40 minutes and it's 77% upvoted, yet the mysterious 'shills' are all over this? Come the fuck on. You're just looking for an excuse to validate your already flimsy opinion.
n/a goemon45 2017-03-28
It's kinda fun seeing them fumble to defend themselves here
n/a KarmaPolice777 2017-03-28
Be calm and collected in the shitstorm of shills youre about to face.
Also kudos to you for speaking up.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Fight the fight worth fighting for brother!
This is our future!
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n/a Zig_Zagged 2017-03-28
How is it that with 2 posts and 3 comments totaling 11 karma, your 28 day old Reddit account boasts 9,944 karma? Are they preloading karma onto trolling shill accounts now?
How is this possible?
n/a goemon45 2017-03-28
I gotta admit they're hitting this place harder than ever before
n/a Zig_Zagged 2017-03-28
It's like they're attempting to use the internet lingo or type of speech they think will let them blend in to the fold here, but it's just awkward and obvious. I hope they don't pay these guys shit, because that's the results they're getting with these shills. Maybe it's a straight up bot, but who knows?
n/a goemon45 2017-03-28
You've been on this sub since the election right? I remember when they first claimed that Russia hacked the election and NOBODY on this sub bought that story. Now it seems like a sizable amount of users here believe in the Russia propaganda which is funny since this is a CONSPIRACY sub that's gives you reasons not to believe msm and politicians. I'll admit that I supported Trump in the election but only because he wasent Hillary Clinton
n/a Zig_Zagged 2017-03-28
The MSM is enemy number 1 here. The recent confidence in the MSM on this sub is troubling and should be cause of suspicion of the users credibility. Skepticism should be standard here and just rolling with the narrative produced by the MSM is going to out the tourists.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-03-28
http://imgur.com/JvL7A8o
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Excellent info-graphic. Thank you. Has this been fact checked? Can't hurt to be skeptical of everything you see on the net.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-03-28
It never hurts to do your own research, but this graphic has been around for a while and thus far I haven't seen any contradictory information.
n/a DmitriVanderbilt 2017-03-28
James Alefentis = j'aime Les enfants (I like/love kids)
n/a Melmelcom 2017-03-28
Damn..that is..wow...
n/a mastigia 2017-03-28
I know, shit like that...and there has been extensive arguments by fools or shills about how this is obviously just a coincidental mistranslation. But I do not fuckin buy it one bit. With all of the other tongue in cheek references these motherfuckers have all over the place, it is obvious that innuendo like this is their MO. These people not only participate in the sickest shit on the planet, they think it is funny.
n/a Z3R0C001 2017-03-28
My theory is that he has been an agent from birth. You know how kids that were abused usually abused too, so it would make sense that he has been an abused kid by the elites and then placed as a agent to handle the kids later in life and given this name as a child by the f*****-up satanic pedophiles
n/a mastigia 2017-03-28
I agree.
n/a FUCK_TPTB 2017-03-28
Obvious as fuck
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
Alefantis is his last name, his father's last name, and his grandfather's last name.
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
Oh look, it's you again, the Alefantis defender. The way you show up in every Alefantis thread, and the first to defend his name, is starting to look like you're connected. That you James?
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
No, I've never met Alefantis.
Is my comment right or wrong? Alefantis's genealogy was researched by internet sleuths, who said that was his real family name, traceable back generations.
Do you not want people to know this? I am puzzled by the purpose of your comment.
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
I'm much more interested in you, but you know that, because we've butted heads four times before. You're always the first one into these PG threads, defending these people, long before the "internet research" actually happened. Shall I link the history of our dances, and all the super questionable statements you make where you think its NORMAL to talk about killing and butchering at formal dinners, NORMAL to put pictures of butchering animals as your background screen saver, NORMAL to have pictures of cannibalism on your office wall (all things you've said)? Shall I link to the statistical analysis of your account, and the others in this thread that statistically match yours? Shall I point out that your account was dead for FOUR YEARS before it suddenly found a use again in defending pedophiles? Shall I point out that your account, while having VASTLY higher numbers in /r/conspiracy than any other subreddit, actually verified their email, something that only reddit noobs do and certainly something /r/conspiracy regulars would never do?
Everything about you says "I have no idea what I'm doing but I must defend this shit at all costs."
n/a HarryParatesties 2017-03-28
This gonna be good.
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
Actually, until you pointed it out, I didn't notice. I'm much more interested in facts and sources than in who is posting. I find the obsession with who is posting what to be really weird.
I don't know what you mean. Alefantis's genealogy was researched back in the first week of November.
If you're talking about this dinner, he was talking to a food columnist and cookbook author at an "informal Sunday dinner for six". He was talking to her while cooking: "Interspersed are funny, self-deprecating stories, including tales of his tour of duty as a guide wearing an 18th-century costume that involved slaughtering and roasting pigs."
As I said in our previous conversation, "I've never talked to somebody who has slaughtered animals for a living, but I have talked about the subject with some people who have lived on farms and done it. Although the subject is unpleasant, I didn't find them creepy."
I don't think I've said either of those. I did say that I don't think John Podesta is a "creepy little fucker", and I thought the reasons you offered up for Podesta being creepy were not convincing.
Go right ahead. This is the only account that I'm using in this thread. I occassionally use another account in this sub when I want to say something really sarcastic or satirical. But that's less than one comment per month, on average.
I don't get paid for this and I don't work with anybody else.
As I have said before, I initially set up this account to say more controversial things than I wanted to say with my main account. After a few weeks, I decided that was too much trouble and I just dropped it.
My main account was banned by the reddit admins in the great Sandy Hook ban of Feb. 1, 2014, so I started using this as my main account.
So?
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
"didn't notice" is a lie because I lead off with "it's you again", just as I had done in our previous discussions of your defense of pedophiles such as the one here, or here. Pretty much a weekly thing between you and I, even though you pretend otherwise. And yes, you linked the discussion I'm referring to. The one anybody can go read and see you defending exactly what I said. Just because you try to obfuscate it within a wall of text doesn't mean it didn't happen. So yeah, you defend Alefantis, and you defend Podesta, at every turn. Right there it is.
As far as your account, you say weeks, but the post history says FOUR YEARS. While there are "weeks" within FOUR YEARS, it's pretty shitty of you to think /r/conspiracy would just let that obvious WORD SMITHING mean anything other than you attempting to deceive.
I certainly don't remember accusing you of being PAID to defend pedophiles, but it's curious that you would bring that up. Deflection or Projection... both are good possibilities.
So it means you have other reasons to constantly spam /r/conspiracy besides an honest interest in conspiracies. You're here to defend pedophiles. It's ALL YOU DO HERE.
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
No, really, my memory is not that great, I guess. I've gotten lots of similar "oh, you again" comments over the years.
I encourage anyone to read the entire exchange. I didn't obfuscate anything.
I've never denied that. I think this pizzagate witch hunt is the most disturbing thing that's every happened on reddit, even topping the whole Sandy Hook denial. I saw a performance of The Crucible last October, then just weeks later it happened right before my eyes. It's just stunning how easily led some people are and how gullible. And the things that people consider evidence, holy shit! I can't believe that James Woods still thinks that "walnut sauce" is anything other than food!
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I used the twsmith account for a few weeks at the beginning (well, a few months now that I look at it). Then I stopped using it until my main account was banned. Yes, that was four years.
So what? How does that affect the substance of what I say?
What does having a verified email address have to do with anything? I just checked and 8 out of the 10 moderators here have verified email addresses.
Yes, I defend accused pedophiles. People who are almost certainly innocent and have been accused by people they've never met, based on evidence that spans the range from the fraudulent to the bizarre. Clearly, since I've been here since before pizzagate, that's not all I'm here for. Anybody can look at my comments and see that it's not the only thing I comment about.
My comments are in reaction to what's posted here. If people post stupid things about pizzagate, I'll respond to them if I have the time.
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
Another obfuscating wall of text.
Hey, you should write another wall of text about your lowest scored comment ever,
DEFENDING ROTHCHILDS.
NinjaEdit: oh, and btw peeps, except for a single post, his account "dead zone" was actually six years. "few weeks" my hairy ass.
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
I would try to clarify for you again about this account, but I think that I've already done it for anybody that actually reads what I wrote. But more importantly, what the fuck does it matter?
I could easily write a wall of text about whether the Rothschilds own central banks, if you really want me to. But, instead, here's an exercise. Suppose you found a piece of paper on the ground with two statements:
A. All but 3 of the central banks in the world are owned by the Rothschilds.
B. There are no Rothschild-controlled banks in the world. It is a hoax.
How would you go about determining whether statement A is true or statement B is true or the truth is somewhere in between?
Since you just found these on the ground, you can't whether the statement A was written by someone with a verified email address account on reddit, or by someone whose account is only 3 days old.
Tell me, what would you do in this situation?
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
I would expose both statements as bullshit, especially B. Keep defending the indefensible. I'll see ya in the next thread, chump!
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
How would you go about exposing both statements as bullshit? What steps would you take to evaluate their truth?
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
What, no wall of text this time? Too busy spirit cooking your "perfectly normal" jizz soup for dinner?
n/a paulie_purr 2017-03-28
That's not even Alefantis. Come on guys.
n/a Star_forsaken 2017-03-28
Its one letter off.
n/a FuxSpez 2017-03-28
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_Plan
I find this interesting as well. Pierre Charles L'Enfant designed the D.C. layout.
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n/a Chabal10 2017-03-28
It doesn't say "I love children". It says "I love the child". Judging by the tag on Facebook post, "The Child" seems to be a Cafe/bar.
n/a JrSlimss 2017-03-28
Haha did you forget Prince Charles' brother, Prince Andrew? Best friends with Jeffrey Epstein, who was with kids at least as young as 12?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
wow! Any source on that?! Thanks for your comment dude
n/a JrSlimss 2017-03-28
12 year olds: http://archive.is/REBoK
Prince Andrew (but there are tons of articles on Andrew's links to Epstein - in the UK they call it "The Prince Andrew Scandal"): http://archive.is/MVCuQ
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
wow. thanks for your time brother. It's a matter of time before these sick fucks are taken down!
n/a SugarsuiT 2017-03-28
a post on new with 67 comments within the hour, looks like you woke up the pedo defenders, shit is so obvious how guilty they are, and like other users have pointed out, there is blood on your hands pedo defenders.
n/a Pdelic1 2017-03-28
https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/my-story-fiona-barnett-hang-on-for-the-ride/
n/a Yserbius 2017-03-28
Why are you conflating two different issues? The British media coverup of Jimmy Saville was a massive scandal but has nothing to do with the internet allegation against the DC pizza shops.
Four pictures:
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Why was Saville, Charles, and Thomas Hamilton hanging out and laughing? Saville was with Charles a lot. Just watching the documentary on Saville you can tell he's a psychopath. I'm sure PC knew.
n/a Yserbius 2017-03-28
Oh, you're sure he knew. Guess that's all the proof we need that the scandal went to the top! And that proves that a random DC pizza restaurant is some sort of child trafficking center how exactly?
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Just look at Saville...Watch Theroux's documentary...Any sensible person would understand Savile is not sane. I am sure PC knew something was up.
n/a Yserbius 2017-03-28
Nice deflection. You still haven't addressed any of my points other then to say "I'll be Prince Charles knew because I feel that way".
n/a YoshiTakimatsui 2017-03-28
Dudes instagram was private nobody would be talking about him right now
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
As /u/WolfgangJones points out: "J’ ❤ L’Enfant" t-shirt was in reference to the L’Enfant Cafe-Bar in DC, whose owner is pictured in the image, and which itself was named after Pierre Charles L'Enfant, designer of much of the layout of Washington, DC."
Yes, Alefantis knows the Podestas. That's why he was targeted for attack before the election.
How would Alefantis know that? Even if Prince Charles knew that Savile was a pedophile —which there's no evidence of— what does that have to do with Alefantis?
They posted lots of ping pong-related pictures.
They both live in Washington, D.C. and are both involved in the local art scene as well as Democratic Party politics. Alefantis used to own an art gallery and is president of the Transformer artist's organization in DC. Tony Podesta is a major art collector and has hosted Transformer events at his house. Also, Alefantis used to be the boyfriend of David Brock, who is very connected to Democratic Party politics.
It's very doubtful that he knows Prince Charles. The ping pong photo is from Agence France Presse, taken in England in 2004.
Who?
n/a bombsaway1979 2017-03-28
I kinda lol'd imagining Alfetanis reading this: Price Charles? wtf, I don't know dat niqqa. lol.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
A lot of people here ignoring the Pegasus video and Alefantis threats towards Pizzagategear on Youtube.
To me, that is proof enough Alefantis is guilty.
n/a TheMadBonger 2017-03-28
Don't fall for the trap of only focusing on alefantis and comet pizza. The clinton foundation is the meat and taters of the whole revelations. The human trafficking in haiti along with the selling of our guarded secrets. All the way up to SAP level programs. While alefantis is most likely guilty. I doubt he is anything more than 1 place where they go to have their pedophile parties.
Go here for a list of almost every bit of pizzagate evidence.
http://pastebin.com/UcDLvuV1
It is a collection of pretty much all investigative threads into every connection so far. But if someone is looking for a professional write up from a person who actually deals with human trafficking and has shut down rings... Read Yoichi Shimatsu's 10 part expose on pizzagate.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/yoichidat.htm - scroll down a bit and you will see parts 1-10.
Curious about Clinton foundation trafficking and Dyncorp? Watch george webb series on youtube. He outlines it all with real evidence. And a bit of connecting the dots to show what is really going on in the middle east.
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Post got rule 6'd
n/a 1984BrainBot 2017-03-28
Yeah...because its dumb!
n/a keag4n 2017-03-28
Ok
n/a HarryParatesties 2017-03-28
There was a whole thread about the t-shirt photo in another form. You can read through it and see what they came up with (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1450635).
n/a serephin 2017-03-28
No problem, it's something to be proud of /s
n/a arachnopussy 2017-03-28
"didn't notice" is a lie because I lead off with "it's you again", just as I had done in our previous discussions of your defense of pedophiles such as the one here, or here. Pretty much a weekly thing between you and I, even though you pretend otherwise. And yes, you linked the discussion I'm referring to. The one anybody can go read and see you defending exactly what I said. Just because you try to obfuscate it within a wall of text doesn't mean it didn't happen. So yeah, you defend Alefantis, and you defend Podesta, at every turn. Right there it is.
As far as your account, you say weeks, but the post history says FOUR YEARS. While there are "weeks" within FOUR YEARS, it's pretty shitty of you to think /r/conspiracy would just let that obvious WORD SMITHING mean anything other than you attempting to deceive.
I certainly don't remember accusing you of being PAID to defend pedophiles, but it's curious that you would bring that up. Deflection or Projection... both are good possibilities.
So it means you have other reasons to constantly spam /r/conspiracy besides an honest interest in conspiracies. You're here to defend pedophiles. It's ALL YOU DO HERE.
n/a twsmith 2017-03-28
I would try to clarify for you again about this account, but I think that I've already done it for anybody that actually reads what I wrote. But more importantly, what the fuck does it matter?
I could easily write a wall of text about whether the Rothschilds own central banks, if you really want me to. But, instead, here's an exercise. Suppose you found a piece of paper on the ground with two statements:
A. All but 3 of the central banks in the world are owned by the Rothschilds.
B. There are no Rothschild-controlled banks in the world. It is a hoax.
How would you go about determining whether statement A is true or statement B is true or the truth is somewhere in between?
Since you just found these on the ground, you can't whether the statement A was written by someone with a verified email address account on reddit, or by someone whose account is only 3 days old.
Tell me, what would you do in this situation?