It's Bigger Than Trump
105 2017-03-28 by snowmandan
This sub has grown a lot in the last year, especially in the last six months. I think many new users are being easily distracted by the shit show Trump is the center of. Many are caught up with the Goldman Sachs guys, the anti-environment stances, the Russian hack narrative, and others. I think it should be important for every user here to recognize what's really going on. I've been saying this since the election: It's bigger than Trump.
This is a battle for dominance between the CIA and the Trump administration. This is not the people v Trump. He wouldn't have gotten elected, especially with such an overwhelming margin, if he didn't have popular support. Now, many people get caught up with the details of the Trump administration and feel that that is an important issue to address. I'm no Goldman Sachs fan, and I know Trump is and egotistical douchebag, but I think that it's important to pick your battles and take it all one step at a time. We've known for decades that the CIA is responsible for countless atrocities around the world as well as domestically. We've known for years that the CIA controls the media as a means to manipulate and deceive the public. With that knowledge, we should all know to not trust the mainstream media. They've lied countless times and pushed bullshit narratives to distract and manipulate. Now, they're not getting away with it. If anyone would have mentioned the possibility of a "shadow government" even a year ago, you would have been called crazy. That's not to say we should all listen to Breitbart or InfoWars instead, rather we look at verifiable facts and make rational and logical conclusions based on those facts. The CIA saying Russia hacked the DNC does not make it a fact. The facts are that the CIA created their own shadow NSA with the most powerful hacking tools in the world, lost them, and are now trying to cover up their tracks. The facts are that the CIA has lied before and will lie again and again. And judging by how concentrated the shilling effort is to get Trump impeached, we need to concentrate our effort on exposing their wrongdoings rather than bitching about Trump. Where are we going to be after Trump is gone? Still under the CIA and her corporate leaders' boot. We can take advantage of having this man in office and encourage him to take down the corrupt CIA.
More people are waking up to corruption. But I think it's important to recognize the bigger picture. It's very easy to get distracted by the MSM anti-Trump narrative because it's in your face 24/7. However, we all need to take a step back from Trump, and look at the bigger picture. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't deserve criticism, everyone should be criticized for bad things they do. But we need to remember our history. Just search "CIA" in the r/conspiracy search bar, and you'll have countless examples of why we should focus on exposing the CIA before we expose Trump. We can use this opportunity to bring real, lasting change to the U.S. It won't be easy, but we can do it if we as individuals commit to being informed of the FACTS, recognize the BS the MSM and the CIA are feeding us, and actively combat it in an organized fashion.
I'm sick of the political division on this sub, and all of us should recognize the big picture, that is the CIA and her corporate leaders. Trump's "corruption" is a non issue and should be treated as such in order to recognize where the real corruption lies. Many may say "why can't we do two things at once?" Just think about it. If we get a concentrated effort going, the purpose of which is to avenge those the CIA has killed, free the people from the bullshit they put us through, and bring peace to countries that haven't seen it in decades, I know that we will have an impact. We can take this country back, we just need to stop bitching about the guy in office and focus on who the actual baddies are.
158 comments
n/a LOST1992 2017-03-28
If we expose the CIA, another corporation is going to take over. And if you expose that one as well, another is going to take over. That's the vicious cycle of this world and and imo, it's irreversible. The corruption, greed and evil is this world is waay too deeply rooted.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Not if we, the people, take power back. Each individual must take it upon themselves to be informed, get off their asses, and put forth the effort it takes to create a movement. We're done with corporations. We're done with corruption. It no longer serves a purpose, and it's no longer a secret. They can't take over if you're not complicit. Stop being complicit.
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
Coca cola's $43B last year says otherwise.
Apple's $46.9B (ya know all those devices the CIA can access)
Chevy's 43.9B (this company knowingly put faulty equipment in cars which resulted in consumer deaths, yet here they are still making bank on americans)
You and I may be done with corporations. But for the masses there is going to have to be a 30+ year process to re-educate and provide citizens with their own platform for govt and justice. So yea, won't happen
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Not unless we start a movement
n/a Surfdetective 2017-03-28
Don't you already have a movement over at td?
n/a IanPhlegming 2017-03-28
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss," sure. Old as time.
But as Assange has said, in the transition of powers, there are cracks in the system that can be capitalized upon.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Exactly, and we haven't seen a crack this big, ever I don't think
n/a hillarykillary 2017-03-28
Deep state needs to be retired. We the people are sick of it. It shouldn't matter if you are left or right on the issues...I think we lost control after JFK to be honest. Deep state has been getting fat ever since then. Keep reading, keep researching, keep communicating, keep fighting!
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Agreed, this is not a partisan issue, this is about the well being of the people. We can make a difference if we all make the decision to dedicate our time and effort to growing the awareness. Spring is here, summer is on it's way, it's time for protests. It's time for a new social media platform where productive discussion can be had. It's time for the people to stand up and fight for their rights. Year Zero.
n/a hillarykillary 2017-03-28
There needs to be a concerted effort...is there a sub dedicated to fighting the deep state? You're the man snowmandan.
Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OccupyLangley/ 640 subscribers...
n/a hillarykillary 2017-03-28
You might xpost to r/OccupyLangley.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
r/OccupyLangley
n/a McLarenX 2017-03-28
We lost control after WW1, Woodrow Wilson, the establishment of income taxes, and the Federal Reserve. The bankers got a taste of American debt and financing the military industrial complex. This is when they began to rule the country, while using our labor as collateral for the debt.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
There ya go. Height of the industrial revolution, we could have free energy by now if it weren't for that takeover.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-03-28
If this is what is really happening (which I don't think it is), Trump could dismantle the CIA and declassify everything. I really do believe that the people of the entire planet would be better off if this happened, which it will not.
I think that the conflict we are seeing is a tug-of-war on American policy (and government). The Bush/Clinton/Giustra wing got whacked in the last (s)election, which marks the end of their effective reign. The question in my mind is, "who are the powers behind Trump?" First off, it was people who knew the details of the aforementioned network. I think that it could include Thiel, Rothschilds, and half of Israel. ... My conspiracy theory is that this is leading toward's Pike's prediction of WW3, in which the forces of Zionism and Islam will destroy each other.
Regardless of what anyone believes about the Russia hearings, it will lead nowhere. It is a fact that the committees are red-led, so this is all just theater. I think that the impression of Trump being embattled does more to stir up his support base, than anything. I do think that he will eventually get impeached for something (claiming no idea what it is - he has a Nixon feel to him). Still, the idea that he is being sabotaged by blue team will delay the disillusionment of many of his followers.
The thing that really sucks about the Russia fiasco that both sides believe in the righteousness, omniscience, and omnipotence of the surveillance state. I keep saying this, because it needs to be said, nobody wants to end domestic surveillance on citizens, nobody wants to restore the rights of due process, and nobody is stopping (or even slowing) US military activities throughout the world.
We are all in this together. We pay the taxes, We fight the wars, and we are the the actual victims of the Wars on Drugs and Terror. Tell your friends... shit's gonna get a lot worse along the way. Be good to each other.
n/a qsdls 2017-03-28
I just wish there was more conversation about aliens, hollow earth, crop circles, bigfoot, etc.
n/a WarSanchez 2017-03-28
Never thought I'd REALLY miss the days of Lochness and Yettis.
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-03-28
If the CIA conundrum isn't resolved you won't retain your rights to discuss such topics for much longer anyway.
n/a DoctorMiracles 2017-03-28
It's not ClA against Trump's court.
It's all the alphabet agencies and their backers/puppets against each other.
Some have all the dirty rags and proof of everybody's closet skeletons safely stored in some remote, huge desert server. Some have the logistics and networks to move weapons and men 24/7 ASAP. Others have control of the crime organizations that bring lots of under the table money. And so on.
They all want to be top dog. The last electorate sideshow was proof they want more than some puppet to mimic giving orders, as usual. They want THEIR own puppet.
Meanwhile, the Russians laugh at us. And China expands and invades Africa, South America. And Turkey's own Hitler ratches up the refugee extortion.
I wish it was about pee puddles on the presidential suit bed.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Whoever it is fighting against each other, it's an opportunity that we can take advantage of. While they're fighting over dominance, we as a people can rise up and start making demands. We're sick of the media. We're sick of the CIA. We're sick of congress. We're sick of the corporations. It's so incredibly recognizable, if we don't do something about it now, I doubt we ever will.
n/a DoctorMiracles 2017-03-28
Ah, but media and both sides' ideologues have made sure We Keep Being Divided.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
That's why we need a truly New media. We need a new social media platform dedicated to this effort. One where only productive discussion is allowed. No partisan bullshit. No mainstream media articles. A truly dedicated team of people to lead the charge against the deep state.
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
you gonna start coding that new network tonight?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Working on it
n/a ForgottenMemes 2017-03-28
It's the corrupt vs the not (very) corrupt.
The house of cards is likely to fall and implicate thousands of government insiders all the way up to and including Obama.
Clinton's email fiasco should have made it undeniable just how deep and pervasive the corruption is.
n/a Loose-ends 2017-03-28
The Russians and Chinese don't secretly undermine the politics of other nations as a pretext to use their military to invade and simply take whatever their corporations happen to want by force and coercion.
They expand their influence by striking fair and mutually beneficial deals with them instead. As a result both of them now have a rapidly growing and expanding middle class, while the middle class in US and in all or the allied countries that go along with way the US deals, are shrinking and falling into poverty.
n/a Icaria25 2017-03-28
There are a lot of unworthy people going through life with evil means who nobody is really scared about.
What i mean is this: egoists do not scare people. A man just wanting to rape a kid a month and get away with it is a sick man, but he's not going to panic you, instead he's going to run and hide from you. Conventional evil isn't our problem. It can be managed easily when good is on top.
The real problem is spiritual evil. Those that find a mission in evil. Those that are ready to anything we are ready to do for good but instead for evil. This person is a threat. This person probably works for the CIA, too, directly or indirectly. Evil is a cliché, but those who really believe the inversion "evil is good" instead of "this evil is good for me" of the egoists, are the ones who are going to be hellish.
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
My sides. He didn't even get the popular vote
n/a SoCo_cpp 2017-03-28
He didn't win the vote that doesn't count...
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
He didn't win the popular vote ergo he didn't have popular support. Also, he won PA, MI and WI by about 80k votes combined. 80k votes the other way and he loses. Overwhelming indeed...
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
The fact he won PA should point to the fact he has popular support
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
That...doesn't even make sense
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
When was the last republican to win PA? At the very least it points to the reality that the LAST thing anyone wanted was Hillary in office.
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
Bush in '88. Actually I believe it could be strongly attributed to the support he gained from coal country by promising to bring all their jobs back. I mean PA has always been a close race, historically. Anyways I'm not really sure what your argument is, you should look up the definition of popular
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
because that's where true americans live??
n/a Surfdetective 2017-03-28
Umm no.
n/a threwmeawah 2017-03-28
You don't need the popular vote to have popular support, you shill! Also, don't even mention approval polls because they are fake news.
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
I mean, if using the literal definition of the word popular makes me a shill so be it??
n/a OrangeCladAssassin 2017-03-28
Because remember, if someone goes against the pro-Trump narrative, they are a shill.
He lost the popular vote which and had one of the weakest electoral college victories in the past 40 years
n/a threwmeawah 2017-03-28
Dammit, no one is catching my sarcasm. I need to work on this. I guess it was a little too realistic.
n/a OrangeCladAssassin 2017-03-28
lol, yea. This is all too real
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
Man, honestly I can't tell supporters apart from satire anymore, it's gotten that bad
n/a ShitOfPeace 2017-03-28
His electoral victory was actually pretty large. He didn't win the popular vote though
n/a OrangeCladAssassin 2017-03-28
compared to what? Obama had a larger margin both times, Clinton as well, H.W, Reagan both times, and even one of Nixon's
n/a ShitOfPeace 2017-03-28
I didn't say it was the largest ever.
I'm not sure you're going to be able to make the argument that the electoral college race was close. Especially compared to what people though it would be the other way.
n/a Mrbigly 2017-03-28
Not really he beat Bush junior twice in the electoral college and in total votes.
n/a OrangeCladAssassin 2017-03-28
Not really? He did worse than Obama twice, Clinton twice, HW, Reagen, Nixons second election, and LBJ
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-03-28
Removed. Rule 10.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
My sides. You think the "popular vote" is an accurate representation of the people? Next you're going to tell me "trump has no path to 270 because the polls"
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
Yes????
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
So all those people who bussed around to different cities flooding the polls, all of the illegal immigrants getting paid to vote, the ridiculous ability to vote more than once in many states, all of those were taken advantage of by the Hillary campaign. Just like the primary. But this time, because that was exposed, it didn't work the second time.
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
Lmaooooo all of that shit is fake news straight from Trump's mouth himself.
n/a iamthedrag 2017-03-28
Oh my god this whole statement. Lord have mercy on your soul.
n/a urist12 2017-03-28
"Trump won the popular vote because Clinton cheated".
Kaaaaay. Sore winner much?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
What are you 5?
n/a Bobbafeck 2017-03-28
You got any hard evidence for that? Trump was meant to provide it but he has gone very quiet about it.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I think it's probably hard to have hard evidence of that, but based on many cities like Philly and especially Detroit during the election, there was a lot of fishy shit. Then what Project Veritas exposed was probably just the tip of the iceberg.
n/a PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 2017-03-28
That would be true if we had strict voter id laws.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
That's what I'm sayin but they callin me crayz
n/a PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 2017-03-28
I think it's crazy this was allowed in the first place.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Yeah, I mean how hard is it to get a fucking ID of some sort
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
my sides. you both are talking about the election numbers right now, wasting both your time
n/a redditctrsux 2017-03-28
Wow people are still talking about this. The electoral college exists so that LA and NYC don't make the decisions for the whole country.
n/a LewTangClan 2017-03-28
I wasnt aware that LA existed in 1787.
n/a dfu3568ete6 2017-03-28
Semantics, its called foresight. They still had big cities and rural areas leading them to conceive such a concept. The EC is actually a great system if you take away all the gerrymandering and unnecessary shady BS.
n/a LewTangClan 2017-03-28
I agree gerrymandering is a problem. That's why I think we need to get rid of the electoral college because it's been manipulated to such a high degree. Draw the districts in a certain way to make sure it's unfairly skewed so your party's candidate can win the districts. And it seems to disproportionately benefit the Republican Party.
We also need to do away with "winner take all" states. The race in that state could be 51% to 49% and the loser doesn't get any electoral votes at all. How is that reasonable? Combine that with gerrymandering districts and the electoral college gives a hugely disproportionate representation of the country's votes.
Also, the main reason the electoral college was created is because most of the population was illiterate in the 1700's. So they made the electoral college to ensure that informed/educated individuals have the final say so someone crazy or unqualified wouldn't get elected by an ignorant populace. And in that sense, the electoral college failed miserably this past election.
n/a Sendmyabar 2017-03-28
Grow up, bro.
n/a Atheldemic 2017-03-28
Thanks fam 💯
n/a DarthCasanova 2017-03-28
It's a lot bigger than even that. This is a movement by many nations against the clutches of globalism. This is why Le Pen is getting the same drilling as Trump. This is happening everywhere: Russia, Iceland, Hungary, Spain, Greece, Italy. This is about the collapse of the new world order. A true paradigm shift. Trump is just one player in something that is huge.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Agreed. But the CIA is a big linchpin, it will lead to the rest of the globalist cabal and expose it all.
n/a DarthCasanova 2017-03-28
Right, should we say, rogue criminal elements of the CIA, in conjunction with rogue criminal elements of Massad, MI5, etc. we throw around terms like Deep State, illuminati, banksters, cabal, etc, but in actuality it's global crime syndicates. And they're not all working for the same goals in fact. Like any mafia mentality, they fight amongst themselves while agreeing on some things.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Agreed. And that fighting is exposing them. And we need to take advantage of that.
n/a DarthCasanova 2017-03-28
Yessir.
n/a liverpoolwin 2017-03-28
You might find these two posts interesting, explaining how the nationalists around the world are all being united against the Globalists and NWO
The war is at the top, the Globalists and Zionists are no longer working together, they are at war, that is what you see going around the world, Nationalist movements vs the Globalist one, the powerful Zionists have allied with Nationalists around the world to fight back against the Globalists
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/61kzli/the_war_is_at_the_top_the_globalists_and_zionists/
The Globalist Vs Zionist Split Part II - In 2012 Zionist media kingpin Rupert Murdoch slammed the 'Jewish-owned' press for behaving 'anti-Israel' while Israel was sending rockets into Gaza
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/621jw9/the_globalist_vs_zionist_split_part_ii_in_2012/
n/a Bump-4-Trump 2017-03-28
I think its important to note this. But first, i have a really big broner for Trump. Big fan. Need to be upfront so judge accordingly. I also do seek truth, and Trump, with all his flaws is a force of good. He didnt live a life of a politician. He has baggage. But hes a patriot, i have no doubt. His love and pride for this country and vets is undeniable. And this goes back a long long time. Thats my 2 cents.
But heres what I want to see in his defense.
Nobody was backing Trump, ok. He did this with his own money and money from the people. Small donations.
1)No saudi money (infact Trump insulted the prince of SA on twitter) “dopey.” "Ahwaleed Bin Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected,". This was after the prince insulted him. www.rawstory.com/2015/12/donald-trump-a-disgrace-tweets-billionaire-saudi-prince/
2) The RNC and GOP didnt back him. Some do now, but like bloody hell, they didnt before. They never thought he had a chance. They laughed,even. They were for Bush, Rubio, Cruz. I dont think they ran any adds or anything for him. Maybe the last week...but doubt it. Speaker Paul Ryan is anti-Trump (hot mic), the never trumpers. The Trump tape was a coordinated hit and exposed many anti- trump within the GOP
3) Obviously the democrats hate him. Theyre on a witch hunt and still in campagin mode to get him impeached and smear him with russian accusation, when, in fact, the democrats are russias best friends(uranium, sberbank and podesta, john podesta and russian energy, the reset).
4) Forbes top 100 CEO's were against Trump! www.wsj.com/articles/no-fortune-100-ceos-back-republican-donald-trump-1474671842
5) 96% of journalist donations went to hillary.
www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/18/revealed-96-percent-of-medias-campaign-donations-went-to-clinton/
www.time.com/money/4533729/hillary-clinton-journalist-campaign-donations/
6) Hollywood was against trump
7) Silicon Valley was against Trump. Facebook, google, snopes, politifact, twitter, wikipedia. The ceo of google spotting with a hillary VIP badge. President of facebook in wikileaks saying shell do everything in her power to elect hillary.
8) Of course George Soros and his never ending web of foundations, activist groups, organizations, bought politicians.
9) the bushes. George Bush came out of hiding to criticize Trump a little. The left all the sudden like Bush for a week (wtf!). He ran against low energy Jeb.
So here is Trump's enemies. -The GOP. -The democrats (so the entire establishment). - the tech world(silicon valley). - hollywood. -MSM. - Saudi Arabia. - george soros. -the clintons. -the bushes. -The Deep state.
Im sure im forgetting about some, but good god, look at those enemies! Look what he was up against. Thats a pretty good list of enemies. Even if you dont like Trump, for conspiracy subs standards the enemy of my enemy looks pretty good, ya? Trump even goes on alex jones.
And maybe people forgot or not aware, but fox news wasnt even for Trump. I know the exact day they started covering him fairly. It was the day after the catholic spring emails, that showed top hillary staffers mocking the Murdoch's faith. They were making fun of the murdochs and talking about how they have people inside the church, changing it from within. That explains why the pope is a marxist radical. Fox news was for Cruz, rubio and bush. Trump was always considered the clown, not to be taken seriously. Fox only posted his foibles and drama. After that wikileak, they started covering his message.
n/a prostitutepiss 2017-03-28
I love how the only way to support Trump is argue that despite all of his corporate serving policies, despite his obvious shilling for the establishment, and because the CIA is rightfully investigating his deep and treasonous ties with Russia, it must be some sort of noble crusade against fake deep state boogeyman and fake globalism boogeyman
n/a iamthedrag 2017-03-28
Thank you for putting into words exactly what I was thinking. It's almost like a weight lifted off my shoulders.
n/a prostitutepiss 2017-03-28
No problem. Don't worry there are still smart people that know how to fact check out there. And don't worry about this sub, it's compromised by Russian propaganda trolls.
n/a Bump-4-Trump 2017-03-28
What? That you have a 8day old account? Only posted on the leftist cesspool disinformation politics board?
n/a [deleted] 2017-03-28
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n/a CelineHagbard 2017-03-28
Removed. Rule 10.
n/a tamrix 2017-03-28
This is exactly what a globalist shill would say 😛😛
n/a prostitutepiss 2017-03-28
Yeh the free trade cabal is paying me handsomely.
n/a LightBringerFlex 2017-03-28
This shit is better than football.
n/a benjamindees 2017-03-28
It's the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Anything is better than football
n/a LightBringerFlex 2017-03-28
True. I honestly get bored with sports.
n/a CivilianConsumer 2017-03-28
They're starting to claim Le Pen is a Russian agent because she met with Putin once.
Reality is one anti-NATO Nationalist met with another. Good, it should happen more often
n/a Mixelplfft 2017-03-28
How will we know if and when they are successful? Honest question.
n/a DarthCasanova 2017-03-28
I think a good sign will be more leaks, mass arrests, real changes to the system and status quo, releasing of sequestered technologies. Stuff like that.
n/a threwmeawah 2017-03-28
What about Obama, Trump, the Democrats, the Republicans, and numerous other members of the IC saying that Russia hacked the DNC?
That's your opinion, which I think is unfounded. How about everyone stops downvoting Russian conspiracy threads just because they upset people.
This write-up is one big concern troll piece. "Sure you can criticize Trump, but at the same time you should ignore all criticisms about Trump because we can only focus on one thing at a time (and it should be the CIA)"
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Where do you think Obama and co got their narrative?
You're in r/conspiracy man, you're not fooling anyone. The CIA is historically the most corrupt and destructive organization known to the world, and just because some clown gets elected simply to piss everyone off, we're supposed to start siding with the likes of Dick fucking Cheney and the rest of the globalist elite? Sorry bud but trump isn't the boogeyman. He's a distraction.
n/a threwmeawah 2017-03-28
Well, I think Obama and Trump got their narrative that Russia hacked the DNC based on evidence provided to them by the entire IC, not just CIA. And I bet that evidence involved human intelligence, which isn't easily fabricated.
What? Now opposing Trump means you're siding with Dick Cheney and co? No it doesn't, they are separate issues. You seem to think Trump will do something about your globalist bogeymen, but he won't. I 100% guarantee it. He is a billionaire who is profiting off of the presidency. His companies are having deals approved left and right all over the world right now because of his new position.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I'm not saying trumps going to do anything about it, I'm saying that we as a people need to concentrate our efforts on the real problem that we've had for decades instead of fucking around with a bunch of bullshit propaganda.
n/a threwmeawah 2017-03-28
Let me know in a few years how you feel after the Trump presidency is over and he's tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars richer, and nothing changed in the world except that he avoided corruption probes because of people like you that thought he would be a useful ally.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Nothing's going to change unless we demand change, I agree. This is the time to demand change. We are witnessing the deep state in turmoil, coming up with a bunch of bullshit to try and manipulate the people. We need to stand up and say we're not falling for it. It's all bullshit and we want answers.
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
Did I miss something? Did real evidence of Russian hacking ever surface?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
no
n/a hillarykillary 2017-03-28
I honestly think Seth Rich was killed for the DNC leaks and then it was conveniently blamed on the Russians.
n/a media_mathers 2017-03-28
Only Wikileaks would know who the LEAKER is, although their actions point to that conclusion.
Don't forget the FBI were not allowed to investigate the DNC servers (Well that's not shady is it?). They relied on the sketchy Obama/DNC paid Crowdstrike reports that "there were signs of Russian intrusion". How's that for transparent.
The Vault7 leaks should already tell you that even if there were "signs", Trump was right all along, that you cannot tell where the originating hack came from as it is easily falsifiable.
Still the "russsian hacking" , is a red herring, because Wikileaks state it is a leak, and this has been corroborated by political and IC insiders
n/a SoCo_cpp 2017-03-28
If the CIA, FBI, and all MSM is against this guy, and yet to show any viable proof of anything, then he likely poses a huge risk to the corrupt establishment. Is a non-puppet president really that hard to come by?
n/a redditctrsux 2017-03-28
There was literally a bomb threat today. It baffles me that people still try to use this whole divide and conquer mechanism that trump is just one of puppets. He may be a puppet to Zionists but people are working day and night to bring him down.
n/a media_mathers 2017-03-28
Yes. The NSA had a file on Obama since he was a Senator. They have a file on anyone of any significance. Surveillance is not to prevent terrorism as the alphabet agencies have been aiding and likely behind every major US terrorist act for how many years
1.Oklahoma
2.911
3.Boston Marathon etc
these are all suspect when you examine outside of the corporate owned narrative
The surveillance is for keeping blackmail records for all potential and future political assets or agitators.
Look at convicted pedophile Speaker of the house Hasterts case (refer to ex FBI Sibel Edmonds), the FBI keep years of records on his child molesting, those "white hat" Feds thought they were monitoring him to collect evidence for a dossier to put him to justice, but the executive/deepstate locked that evidence away until 10 years later.
The deepstate MO is to put only compromised individuals in key positions for control. You can see how this all ties in to Pizza/pedogate CIA brownstown operation. We've come full circle.
n/a ItsAboutSharing 2017-03-28
Very well said. Thx for sharing. I just hope Trump has higher ups in the military ready for when the CIA tries continuity of government, which I think is active still, as a way to take out liberty people, our president, etc. and run things openly. I say this as it is starting to look like they are failing. What is their emergency plan?
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
Well said, but could you point me in the direction of some insight into why you feel this way about the Boston Marathon? Thanks
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
They fucking made a movie about it staring Mark Wahlberg
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
I never watched it because I assumed it would just be a fluff piece about heroism or some BS. When's the last time a major motion picture exposed a CIA(or whatever government agency) backed terrorist event?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Not exposing, glorifying
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
Exactly, so why the fuck would I want to watch that when I'm more interested in u/media_mathers beliefs that the CIA or whatever aided in the Boston Marathon bombing?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Because why make a movie glorifying it if it wasn't a staged false flag? CIA = Hollywood
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
Because some people thought it would make money. Not every movie made by Hollywood necessarily fits a CIA agenda.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Not every movie, but ones marketed like that, like American sniper, etc
n/a iamthedrag 2017-03-28
Look at how many times the establishment Republicans investigated Clinton and still couldn't pin anything on her either. Corrupt politicians like Trump and Clinton are hard to bring down.
n/a urist12 2017-03-28
Took watergate two years. And we had viable proof.
Are you seriously trying to play off "The FBI is going about this legally" as proof they're faking it?
Christ. This is the real world. You don't get rid of a treasonous president just by dropping a single video tape or recording.
n/a jafbm52 2017-03-28
Dude obviously you forgot the election he won the Electoral College, not the popular vote
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
There's a reason the primary was rigged. You don't think they'd try to rig the general?
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-03-28
You talk to Donny regularly?
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Yeah I pm him all the time on Twitter.
n/a rockytimber 2017-03-28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig
Corruption is Legal in America
So, what the people know and believe is being controlled. So, the deep state persists.
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
I stopped reading at
Literally fake news, he lost the popular vote.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
306 hombre
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
Still not an "overwhelming margin" lol. His supporters are a minority in the US. Get over it.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
It doesn't matter. I'll go off public support. Can't fake the crowds that he drew every single rally over the election. Hillary was too hungover/sick to do anything herself, and Kaine was cancelling his appearances left and right. They couldn't even rig Florida. That's just sad and tells you how many people really wanted Trump and how many people just didn't give a fuck about Hillary.
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
....Why are you still talking about Hillary? No one gives a fuck about her anymore.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I won't stop giving a fuck about her until she's in jail for her crimes.
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
Good thing Cheetoh Benito immediately backed off her and will never prosecute her lmao. You got conned man.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
That's why we have to know we can't rely on anyone. The only one who can change things is the American people, and nothing will change until we stand up and demand it.
n/a fridsun 2017-03-28
In the end you have to put trust into someone, because no one of us is capable of getting out there and collect information all by ourselves. Mainstream media are trustworthy not because they have never lied. They are trustworthy because they are capable of collecting information that most other people cannot. Most information we can easily vet with logic. For those that we cannot, it is important to realize the probabilities of each option and the risks of going down each route.
You are naive to think Trump would be able to take down the CIA, or that he is somehow less corrupt than the CIA.
You are even more naive to think corruption is somehow inherently bad. Corruption is the pillar of capitalist politics, and often times people enjoy the result of it without knowing. All the public welfare policies are essentially bribery from politicians to get votes. They differ from private gifts only in scale. The primary reason politicians prefer public welfare policies over private gifts, is the institution of gaining power -- election. Therefore --
The largest conspiracy in the US is gerrymandering, and the most real, lasting change the US can benefit most from, is electoral reform. CIA is but a small part of one of the executive branch of the government. Electoral reform can have much larger effects by improving the representativeness of the legislature, and thus pass laws beneficial to the most general public. The biggest spy in the US is not CIA -- it's everyone! There is no law in the US that mandates the digital privacy of the US people. Google, Facebook, Apple, LinkedIn, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, etc., any company is thirsty for your data. That website you do tasks on to get discounts, too. As a result of the Trump presidency, the only regulation that somewhat mandated such privacy was removed. This is not a problem with more proportionally represented European countries, as they have much stronger privacy mandates than the US.
In short, if the US people truly have legislative power, it would be possible to straightforwardly outlaw secret surveillance on the US people, and command the state machine to stop the CIA. The actual baddies are not the CIA, nor President Trump, not even the Congress. They are the electoral system, specifically the redistricting process, the first-past-the-post voting method and the Electoral College.
n/a paulie_purr 2017-03-28
"...such an overwhelming margin..."
Sorry I couldn't read past that. I did notice you mention verifiable facts as being important in some way, and I couldn't agree more.
n/a DonnaGail 2017-03-28
This is Good versus Evil. The CIA is Evil.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Fuck yeah Donna that's what I like to hear!
n/a DonnaGail 2017-03-28
I really feel it is simple as that. Good versus Evil.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9zSMsKcwk
n/a vivek31 2017-03-28
Who's on the good side?
n/a DonnaGail 2017-03-28
I'm on the good side. I hope you are on the good side too. :-)
n/a doesnotdeliver 2017-03-28
Huh? He lost the popular vote by a big margin.
n/a polwas 2017-03-28
Is it not possible that both the CIA and Trump are equally dirty? It's not mutually exclusive to say that both need to be taken down.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I wouldn't say anywhere near equally. There's no hard evidence against trump that wasn't blown out of proportion. The CIA and trump have been at each other's throats for a few months, especially before the inauguration, so I find it safe to say they're not on the same team. I think we need a people's movement. Not led by any politician or celebrity, but by the masses. The people. Because in the end, were the only ones who are going to change anything.
n/a polwas 2017-03-28
I would agree that there has been no hard evidence presented yet clearly showing illegal collusion Russia. My problem with believing it's all a CIA manufactured lie is the extremely large amount of circumstantial evidence that is out there. The Flynn fiasco, the Sessions meeting, what is now being reported about Jarod Kushner, the removal of the position on Crimea from the Republican Party platform, everything Roger Stone has said, and the simple fact that Trump acts like a man who is guilty leads me to believe that there is substance to the allegations. I have no love for the CIA, and the most recent Wikileaks dump shows that they do have the capacity to make everything appear as they want it to, but I absolutely do not trust Trump. As for a people's movement, that is indeed what we need. The problem is that both sides are so entrenched that finding a broad consensus appears impossible.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
We can use wikileaks to rally behind if we need to. The problem is just how incredibly distracting everything about Trump is. And it's meant to be a distraction. You can't trust the MSM and when they push a bullshit and unfounded narrative, along with recognizable shills pushing the same narrative all over the internet, I think it's pretty safe to say that this story is a manufactured distraction. So, let's focus on taking down the CIA and avenging Kennedy. Nonpartisan. r/OccupyLangley
n/a Bobbafeck 2017-03-28
It is safe to say you are completly biased as you are a huge Trump supporter. Your post may have had a bit more credibility if you were non-partisan.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I am non partisan. Just because I'm not condemning him for unfounded rumors started by the CIA, doesn't mean I support him. I didn't even vote for him. I don't think any of us should rely on him. But we shouldn't and we can't rely on anyone else either. So, this is a good time to have a people's movement to end it all and bring awareness to the bigger picture.
I'm not saying trump is good, I'm saying that the real bad guy is a lot deeper than trump. It's very short sighted and narrow minded to think trump has all the power and that somehow he's gonna fuck everyone over more than we already are.
n/a Bobbafeck 2017-03-28
Ha!Ha! You are far from non-partisan. You are a Trump fanboy and if you want to pretend you are not, you might want to start a fresh account. At the moment you are looking completely ridiculous.
n/a vivek31 2017-03-28
Agreed.
n/a applextrent 2017-03-28
Clearly it appears as if there are warring factions within the Deep State right now.
But I'm still having a hard time placing Trump in any of this. He has so many ties to the establishment and Deep State and other wealthy powerful families it's hard to tell where he really stands.
For example, Trump could be planned opposition. The whole Russian narrative and war with the mainstream media could be a designed distraction. Or, the Deep State is purposely making the whole thing up to distract and discredit Trump. Both situations are equally as plausible and we just simply don't know.
Is Trump fighting the Deep State? Or is he working with them?
What I do agree with is the Deep State has too much power. We don't even really know how big it is, or how much of our lives it has it's tentacles wrapped around.
Anyone shilling Deep State pushed agendas and narratives isn't your friend.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I agree, it's confusing as hell. I think we deserve some answers though don't you? We still have those $65k of hot dogs and pizza used with taxpayer money under Obama that Wikileaks released. And a lot more than that. We deserve answers. We need to organize and demand answers.
n/a applextrent 2017-03-28
This shits been going on since the 1920's maybe even earlier. So it's hard say what the solution is. JFK arguably tried and died because he tried to fight the Deep State, and he was President.
Podesta is clearly talking in coded language in his emails which suggest ties to human trafficking. He's some kind of Deep State slavelord, as someone's still protecting him despite Hillary's loss. The fact Hillary didn't even fire him when he had his emails leaked and said horrible things about her tells you he was more than just her campaign chair, he potentially had authority over Hillary herself. Never seen anything like it really. The fact he's still a free man and not under investigation or arrest is crazy.
If Trump actually starts prosecuting these people we will finally know where he stands. But the left will flip out thinking he's some kind Nazi no matter how damaging the evidence is against Podesta and his Deep State cronies.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I don't think he will prosecute unless the people demand it. The people need to rise up and demand change. He may be the only man to respond to popular opinion if we can concentrate our effort in a non partisan manner and voice our frustrations.
n/a ThePatriot131313 2017-03-28
Trump under constant attack from the Democrats, Republicans, media and intelligence agencies. They leaked a tape on him from 2006 that they no doubt were using to blackmail him. He refused to let them use it as blackmail and overcame it. He constantly points out the corruption in politics, in the intelligence agencies and in the media.
Yet people on this very thread lump him in the same class as Hillary. And as for OP, what is this "Trump's corruption" you speak of? You literally name nothing specific whatsoever.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I'm just talking about the Goldman Sachs guys and the general corporation stuff. It's not damning and it's often used as a distraction, but I agree, lumping him with Hillary and the like is FAR from logical.
n/a ThePatriot131313 2017-03-28
Fair enough. The Goldman Sachs connection is a valid issue.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Oh my god dude I wish I could high five you right now. There are some uncomfortable things about Trump but nothing warranting the impeach talk and narrative being spread around.
n/a ThePatriot131313 2017-03-28
Yeah I am not saying Trump is 100% pure or that I have no concerns. I do. I respect your original post. This is how dialogue should be. Neither of us shilling for a certain side, trying to find common ground.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Shilling prevents that sort of discussion. That's why I think we need a new platform for productive discussion and organization. Hopefully r/OccupyLangley may be a good place for that. Meme generation and productive discussion.
n/a dve46 2017-03-28
Obvious bias is obvious. And misinformed.
n/a murphy212 2017-03-28
People go to greater and greater intellectual lengths to try and prove to themselves Trump is not a servant of the central planners.
Sorry to shake your world; Trump is a high servant to TPTB. Clinton was never supposed to become president, she perfectly assumed her role of scarecrow and super-villain (edit: as a war criminal and child trafficker she is/was perfect for that role).
n/a Iamamansass 2017-03-28
This is a post for the donald.
n/a vivek31 2017-03-28
Heil trump!
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
Agreed. And that fighting is exposing them. And we need to take advantage of that.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
What are you 5?
n/a mki401 2017-03-28
....Why are you still talking about Hillary? No one gives a fuck about her anymore.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I won't stop giving a fuck about her until she's in jail for her crimes.
n/a snowmandan 2017-03-28
I think it's probably hard to have hard evidence of that, but based on many cities like Philly and especially Detroit during the election, there was a lot of fishy shit. Then what Project Veritas exposed was probably just the tip of the iceberg.
n/a lookmaimonthereddit 2017-03-28
Exactly, so why the fuck would I want to watch that when I'm more interested in u/media_mathers beliefs that the CIA or whatever aided in the Boston Marathon bombing?