Haha... how are we gonna "fight back"?

Hypothetically, one could form a militia, and exercise their second amendment rights, to overthrow a corrupt government.

Yeah... you'd better keep that shit hypothetical.

I have held teatime in a burning minefield, other people's opinions mean very little to me.

Good... cause you won't bat an eyelash when the judge's opinion is "Guilty".

For what? Citing the constitution?

I'm sure they would think of something... but yer all good... you went hypothetical with it.

idk why people are giving you shit for an obvious and logical idea...i.e., if the gov't is fucking with you, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING.. lol

Well said

Lol you just know this guy wears his V for Vendetta mask until mom calls him for dinner

Big talk coming from a wannabe taco bell mascot.

If you're nice mommy might get you some Taco Bell on the way home

I spent my twenties clearing landmines from school yards, you watched movies. My actions kept children in one piece, while yours have lead to that less that witty comment. What are you doing with your life besides my mother?

Oh suck on it bro. This isn't World War II and Vietnam, nobody drafted you and forced you into it. You made the choice because you either couldn't get into college, or fell for some retard recruiters stick. You chose the "10% off at stores" life, go wax poetic somewhere else

Ooh, opened a bad door did I? Get your shit together.

Lol nah man don't try and act like I'm The one offender or bothered.. you're the guy who's "clearing land mines from playgrounds" which is about as dramatic of a thing to say possible. Go back to flipping over all the rocks on base, you ain't fooling nobody

Sure thing buddy

What's this pic supposed to be? Did you think I didn't believe you that you joined the Army? I was just laughing at you playing the role of thinking you're special, if not you some other idiot from Arkansas or some Ramirez/Martinez would've done it.

I was being polite.

Why were there landmines in school yards? How hard is minesweeping? Where do you learn to do a job like that? It sounds like you have a cool life story.

People are assholes. it's easy, but you can only mess up once. The army, ask your local recruiter about an exciting career in Combat Engineering! Yes I do, kinda sad at times, but it would make for a good read.

LOL... dreams are free.

All you'd accomplish is getting yourself labelled a "domestic terrorist" and being wiped out.

I love the naivete of this sort of argument. Yeah, go ahead and fight a government with drones and tanks with your AR-15 and $400 nagant.

Takes more than machinery to keep a population suppressed, you need people at the controls and boots on the ground. Soldiers ate normal people and in most cases of justified revolt I'd suspect they side with their families and friends over the government.

Considering how blind Trump supporters can be I wouldn't bet on the military siding with the people.

Trump supporters are the military.

And don't confuse the talking heads you see on TV with the military.

Trump supporters make up the grunts. Air / Navy / Intel agencies are at best split.

and in most cases of justified revolt I'd suspect they side with their families and friends over the government

Please see the overwhelming majority of every military dictatorship and civil war ever.

Ideological differences between first ad third world nations extend largely into their revolutionary actions as well.

Ahh, American exceptionalism at its best. Please see my other post.

European too.

Europe has seen enough civil wars in the last 100 years to know that governments will use heavy weaponry and aircraft if they feel it's needed.

Europe? Or do you mean the second world states that are part of the EU? Don't recall any frenc revolutions this century.

Lol, alright then. Please, read up on European history before you make even more of an ass of yourself.

Why don't you enlighten me?

This is actually a justified case of American exceptionalism. We've done the successful revolt for liberty thing before. Our culture is different from most cultures due to its advanced individualism, and that makes all the difference when it comes to determining whether a revolution goes full circle. It isn't enough to be a warlord in an individualistic society. Individualism thus agitates against revolution, but makes it more efficacious as a means of change if the necessary threshold is reached.

That's nuts, you can't even begin to compare the difference in both theaters. I also find it hilarious that you seem so thoroughly convinced the core of what you said exclusively applies to the US.

Technically, you've overstated my case. I didn't say it only applies in the US, merely that the USA has a valid claim to specialty. I'd name Switzerland as another nation that could have a successful revolt for the same reasons. It's just not as likely. Switzerland doesn't have the same problem with persistent government overreach.

Soldiers don't turn in revolutions until their money men tell their Generals to turn.

Revolutions, the kind you're talking about, don't happen because of internet privacy, they happen when there's no food on your table and half your family and friends are locked up or killed by the government, or when someone with power manipulates the poor into joining their fight to take down those who currently have power.

Actually it's usually the second one.

I'm not saying this is revolution time, just arguing that the government really doesn't have this iron grip when it comes to citizens. If it got real bad, all the drones on earth wouldn't be enough to win a domestic war against its own citizens.

You're absolutely right about that. It's not in the interest of a government to kill off all its own people.

I disagree, I'd say it's not in the interest of a government to lose power or wealth which at means keeping citizens on side somewhat. When jobs become automated and citizens aren't nearly as required I think we'll see some fairly awful things from the top.

Jobs don't pay taxes or keep an economy running. You can't just start killing off your people, you can however ignore hem long enough to make their living conditions hell.

When automation takes over I believe you'll see the military and military police forces expanded drastically, even private forces possibly. It provides work for a certain percent of the population while making sure the other part of the population who are poor and desperate are kept in line. It runs in line with how other countries have handled it when the gap between the haves and have nots becomes too big.

You really should read some history, especially about Russia in XX century. Secret police with massive privilages and big oppresion institutions (like famous Gulag) is all you need.

Successful revolutions happen only when government is weakened by inside fighting and economy is about to collapse.

I know the history of the USSR fairly well, can you explain how it's relevant to my comment?

$400 nagant.

Who the fuck pays $400 for a Mosin? I paid $125 for mine.

It was a joke aimed at people who buy overpriced ones. It seems because everybody has got one nowadays you aren't a true /k/ommando unless you buy one, too. People are being overcharged left and right.

Prices have gone up lately. Also just because you can buy a cheap one doesn't mean there aren't good ones out there too

That's fair, I bought mine a while back.

I'm jealous :)

The idea of fighting the military is dumb, but if you honestly believe they'd utilize tanks and drones on home turf you're even dumber. A drone? Really? Sure let's drop a bomb and cause millions of dollars of damage to the infrastructure that we have to repair. It would be like going after a fly in your home with a sledgehammer.

Sure let's drop a bomb and cause millions of dollars of damage to the infrastructure

Whoever talked about nuclear weapons? Or do you think they'd just drop bombs on bridges and dams for funsies?

if you honestly believe they'd utilize tanks and drones on home turf you're even dumber.

It's clear you know nothing about history because that's exactly the way civil wars progress once they escalate. At first it'd maybe be just "regular" armed conflict, guns vs guns. Do you think the military would just keep their soldiers unsafe because magic or something? Once casualties start increasing you don't think they'll use armored vehicles?

I'm Spanish so I know a thing or two about whether a government would be willing to bomb their own population or not. You don't have to go back in time, though, look at Syria, look at Ukraine (not bombing but shelling separatists with artillery surely counts), look at Egypt (not bombs but tanks). You don't know shit about history if you think a government would care about material damage in such a situation.

I can't even tell if this is satire or not. Drawing a 1 to 1 parallel with Syria and the United States?? Sure thing. History isn't comparable to modern day and Syria and Egypt are not the United States. I'd love to see the government have the balls to drop a bomb in Manhattan. Nothing gets you support like wiping out hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens homes and means to make a living.

Nice straw man! Is that the kind of enemy you want to fight? lol

I'd love to see the government have the balls to drop a bomb in Manhattan.

Alright, this tells more about your general mindset than anything you could possibly say.

Again, look at Spain, look at Greece, look at the Balkans, look at Portugal and their Carnation Revolution (which thankfully backfired on the government - this is a point for both of us), there's plenty of examples with different cultural backgrounds. You're delusional if you think the US is any different from the rest of humanity.

What the actual fuck is your idea of a armed rebellion? You just take a mass of people with weapons and rush at a government building? Anyone with a brain will target hospitals, train yards, power plants, shipping docks etc. and hold them hostage. You want densely populated areas like manhatten precisely so they absolutely cannot use heavy force against you. And if they do they considerably hurt themselves in the process which is still a victory for the rebels.

He's a shill meant to discourage any type of resistance. Don't let these fucks get to you.

I'd love to see the government have the balls to drop a bomb in Manhattan.

This guy gets it. That city is a cage. If the government bombs it, the inmates start spilling out everywhere.

Syria l, Iraq, Lybia, Algeria, Soviet Union, China, and more all prove you wrong. If you want to retain power you don't care about infrastructure for the people. You don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. It would be more like destroying the palace to keep the castle.

So you're saying that all these awful governments serve the purpose of keeping people too afraid of government to rebel against their own awful government? <3

sooo....you're fine to do nothing and continue being an oppressed slave, forever? I'd rather fight and die free, anytime anyday, than roll over and GET FUCKED SOME MORE like you, cuck. fuck off with your pansy bullshit

Well, suppose there was civil war, at least half the military and a quarter of the intelligence agencies would go against the government. Not to mention the American Government doesn't have a very good track record against poorly armed guerilla insurgencies.

The American Government has a terrible track record against poorly armed guerilla insurgencies, and none of the countries that have humiliated our military are anywhere close to as well-armed as the American people are. There's a gun behind every blade of grass in the continental United States.

And consider the morale costs of fighting a foreign insurgency! Our soldiers come back insane from the stress of it. A domestic insurgency, where there's no going home to escape and you have to live with the knowledge that you're shooting your own countrymen, would have such crazy morale problems that defections would be common.

^ This guy fucks.

Yeah but if you do that then you better have a damn good idea of what comes after you "overthrow the government", because a revolution with no goal is pointless.

Exactly. People hold up the American Revolution like that is the norm of a revolution, when in reality most revolutions look like Syria.

What people are you talking about? People hold up the American Revolution as evidence of American exceptionalism. Nobody says it's the norm of a revolution, rather that it's the result of a revolution in an individualist culture. In case you haven't noticed, Earth doesn't have many of those. It's an exceptional case. Most people in most places are collectivist and/or authoritarian by both intuition and long practice.

People always talk shit about folks that remind us that this is an option but I think it is important to remember that the option does exist.

Is it futile? Probably, but rice farmers and goat herders have beaten the same military so in theory it is possible.

Will they use this on their own people? I doubt it that sounds like a recipe to lose all international support. Not because other nations give a shit about us but we are the largest consumer base in the world so being driven into the ground would upset that.

Buy browsing histories of everyone who supported the bill and publish them any and everywhere.

Like they won't be exempt haha

"Haha just give up and accept God emperor as your daddy haha"

Pardon?

They actually aren't, there's no provisions for members of the legislature

What, how'd they fuck that up?

That gives me a weird feeling of mild trust in the bill that wasn't there before.

True, but more importantly as far as I'm aware there also no provision that they must sell you the data on someone you request. Good luck convincing any telco to sell you the data. Why would they willingly try and fuck over the people they pay to fuck you over when they gain NOTHING from doing so.

Money speaks. They will fuck over the people who passed it cause guess when someone is running for election now they can give someone they like even more the information to kill the opponent.

they gain money- i also don't think the salesmen of data are the same folks that bought the politicians. I could request the browser history of my congressman that voted for this bill (he's relatively low profile), and I doubt the ISP would know.

You think a tiny little one time payment is a blip on their radar? God to be that naive again...

if you're talking about the payment of senators sarcastically (and I think you are?) as the "one time payment," no, I don't think it's a blip. But I'm saying these companies are fucking enormous and I sincerely don't think the executives and lobbyists are the ones selling the data. We don't know yet, but I doubt it. My congressman isn't high profile in media, nor does he take a ton of money from Telcoms comparatively to say, McConnell.

Don't mistake my analysis for naivete, I'm just saying we don't know how data will be sold and I doubt executives personally will know everything my dude

Do you really think that the ISPs will sell the histories of the politicians they bought? I'm pretty sure they don't HAVE to sell if they don't want to. In fact, I don't see why they wouldn't start charging an extra "privacy" fee for those who don't want to be intruded upon. This is capitalism.

i don't really think i have to ask the lobbyists that bought them for the history. once the bill is enacted, i'd imagine you purchase it from like, sales reps or some shit

Yes, there would be sales representatives from individual ISPs that would sell the information of their customers. But they are not obligated to sell information from every customer. I wouldn't be surprised if Rep. Blackburn's history is not for sale.

true, but i am fairly optimistic in capitalism inevitably fucking over its goons, so i wouldn't be surprised if everything was for sale.

That's definitely not how it works.

Not saying that I agree with the bill, but we have no reason to believe we can buy an indivdual's browsing history.

I hope you understand it is literally impossible to buy de anonymized data from these people.

It looks like a lot of you bought into a sensationalist lie.

Right, because for the last 10+ years we werent protected by policy that prevented ISP's from doing exactly this. Where the fuck have you been? Sure it's sensasionalized but do you blame them? Is it so bad to bring this to the attention of people who otherwise wouldnt give a shit if it werent for click bait? This is a big deal, stop downplaying it to make yourself feel better about having nothing to hide.

This is not a big deal.

The regulations were never if effect. You haven't lost any protections, and have not gained any. Absolutely nothing has changed.

Right, because for the last 10+ years we werent protected by policy that prevented ISP's from doing exactly this.

Your ISP has been doing this for as long as advertising networks have been trying to buy the information. If I recall, the 1984 cable act is what added the personal identification protections, hence why your data is anonymous coming from someone selling an analytics package.

You guys seriously don't even know how the laws work, or what regulations are in place.

Haha okay you're right. I too introduce new legeslation to change/create regulations that were already in place. Nothing changed, it's always been this way, my ass still has always hurt. Sorry I'll go back to my government approved bubble now too. See you there!

There's plenty you can do regarding your browsing habits to reduce your footprint if you're at a tinfoil level of paranoid.

You're going to have to sacrifice convenience, but your complaints fall on deaf ears.

You can't do this people! Stop sending your money to that random redditor, it's not going to work, as you can't buy personal data.

Remember when Ashley Madison leaked and you had ppl crying that their life was over now... now that's on a national scale.

That browsing history is corporate property. What in the world makes you think they'll willingly part with it? You don't kick a good dog, and congress congress is being a pretty good dog.

You can already do that. These protections everyone is whining about do not exist.

They have never been implemented.

Start by getting rid of Trump supporters who only hurt the fight of the people.

Creative protests would be fun. We go to congress people's houses and start rooting through their trash on facebook live. Stand outside their window with binoculars.

If we had this on mass it would likely force them to make arrests and use violence. Watching some people that showed up to essentially troll irl being beaten to a pulp would piss people off.

Sousveillance! Who watches the watchmen? If we don't, nobody!

Vote Democrat in 2018.

They are gonna have to come up with something other than "We're still not Trump."

Disagree. The Democratic platform is fine. It's voters that are going to need to learn that a party platform can never 100% fit anyone.

Everyone knows that Republicans have all the sexy girls... I vote with my dick... so ya'll better get Tulsi Gabbard up for the presidency ASAP.

Haha, the party of bloodthirsty Obama is waaaay off of 100%. They're like 5% fitting the interests of the people at best.

Super PAC made by the people for the people

Haha... fuckin great idea! More PACs! We need anti-Lobbyist Lobbyists lobbying 24/7, yo! Who can I hand my money over to? They need to take it alllll now!

Yea I know it's a pipe dream. But we outnumber the elite, and if everyone donated $10 we might finally have an entity they cannot ignore. Of course we would never be able to unite enough people to make a difference. Divide and conquer is their game and they are damn good at it.

Yer gonna have to explain this plan a little better if you expect to get my $10 cause someone is gonna have to be the dude holding those billions of dollars we give him to bribe the government with... so ya gotta get an unbribe-able briber bribing seasoned bribery pros.

I'd be unbribeable. I'd be happy to demolish the White House and live as President McLivesinahut. Watch as I never get anywhere of any political significance. Hah.

I don't know, maybe not vote for the party that views you as nothing but a thing for corporations to use? If only the other side was completely opposed to this bullshit. But no, emails and hurt feelings matter more than actually not letting the government fuck you

You'll have to be more specific... exactly which political party isn't trying to fuck me?

It really sucks to live in a one party state, doesn't it? We ought to have a choice other than the globalist demopublicans.

Armed revolt is looking more appealing everyday.

Yeah... you just leave me right out of that "idea".

Trump is "pro-surveillance".

Yep, he is for the surveillance state. Rand Paul called him out for that...

Rand Paul also co-authored this bill. So pot calling kettle.

Rand Paul believes corporate freedom>>>citizen freedom.

Corporations are people too. It's the Republican way.

But people aren't.

Unless they're unborn.

Then you count more than an adult female citizen.

It's because they WANT people to not be able to have abortions so they become poor. Because poor people are easier to control.

No because they don't want to spend their resources on another human being like the greedy monsters they are. It's murder, not "women's choice". If poor people are that concerned, stop having unprotected sex like morons.

If poor people are that concerned, stop having unprotected sex like morons.

It's almost like the funding towards teaching them that was removed by... oh REPUBLICANS

Nope, I'm talking about selfish people REGARDLESS of party affiliation. You know who taught me about the birds and the bees? My family and friends. I don't need big government to hold my hand and tell me about unsafe sex like a good ignorant tax payer. Notice how the Democrats clamor for funding organizations that called for "cleansing" of poor minorities? Planned Parenthood is so good though /s

You know who taught me about the birds and the bees? My family and friends.

facepalm You know who doesn't know about that? People who have parents who don't know about that. It's almost like it's a cyclical thing. Destitute people have destitute friends.

Democrats clamor for funding organizations that called for "cleansing" of poor minorities?

Jesus fuck. So democrats are equally trying to "cleanse" poor minorities AND destroy white america! THOSE DAMN DEMS!

I don't need big government to hold my hand and tell me about unsafe sex like a good ignorant tax payer.

Unfortunately a LOT of Americans don't know that. And yes, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a lot of conservative Americans are in that group. The number of times I hear about people who don't know where babies come from are either those under 18 or adults (sometimes married) who never learned basic reproductive science.

There are an astounding number of people in the country who don't know how their own genitals work, let alone those of the opposite sex.

You know who taught me about the birds and the bees? My family and friends.

headdesk

This is why people get pregnant at age 16 and men can't find a clitoris. These are not people who will give you objective facts. And even if YOUR parents and friends will, you can't rely on other people's families to give THEM good information.

Uneducated people can't improve the economy. Money brings power. The ultimate goal of every ruler seems to be to make their own nation powerful, often through questionable methods.

In my meaning, the ultimate goal should be to help everyone live together in mutualism. It might be impossible but that's just a hypothesis. We can't know for sure unless we try.

Uneducated people can't improve the economy very much. Money brings power. The ultimate goal of every ruler seems (to me) to be to make their own nation powerful, often through questionable methods.

Why did feudalism work so well then? I'm not arguing it seems like you may have a pretty good grasp on the subject and I'm looking for further knowledge.

I'm really not the guy to ask but I'd guess it was because of the mutualism between the peasants and knights. The peasants gave them food and they repaid by protecting the peasants' land. The nobles were the highly educated people and so I guess people looked to them for answers to problems. Farmers sold food and paid taxes, taxes were used by the king to hire knights and knights fought for power.

In today's society, an engineer generates more money for society than a farmer, through taxes. You need a degree to become something like an engineer and thus, education is needed to improve the economy. Well, on paper at least. A person without a degree may in some cases be better fit for a job than a person with a degree, but filtered out simply because the lack of a degree. Thanks to the internet, we can gain and share knowledge easier than ever and there is therefore much less need for school when aiming for certain careers. Also, an educated but stressed person might perform worse than a not-so educated but calm person.

TL;DR: Anybody could be a farmer, which were the jobs that paid a lot back then. Today, you need a degree to get a decent-paying job, as work tasks have become way more complicated.

Unless they're rich.

I can't wait for Walmart to be called up for jury duty and for Starbucks to be drafted into the military. It will make things very interested.

Don't be silly. Starbucks is 32. Way too old for the draft.

With all that sugar that gives you a buzz, Starbucks is probably not even fit to serve.

Plot twist: the govt drafts walmart and they just send checkout clerks to fight off the A-Rabs.

Not just Republicans. Did Obama arrest the bankers? Both parties help big corporations, just one of them does it a bit more than the other.

The bankers didn't do anything illegal dumbass

The bankers didn't do anything illegal dumbass

Are you fucking serious? Representing a loan of $500,000 from a migrant farm worker making $20,000 as AAA quality isn't fraud?

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Obama literally established the Consumer Protection Bureau to protect Americans from corporations doing this exact shit.

Republicans fought it tough-and-nail and are actively de-funding it.

This quote was born under the Obama administration. Remember that.

By Mitt Romney, a Republican.

Rand Paul just believes that the government should stay out of everything. And when he has a chance to do something about it, you bet he'll take it up, even if it's not in everyone's interest.

It's not ""even if it's not in everyone's interest", it's more like, especially when it's in the interests of a few elite moneyed interests.

That give him money.

On the list of "things the government shouldn't be involved with", there are about 100,000 things that should be taken care of before we ever get into a philosophical debate over whether the FCC should create rules about ISPs selling people's private information. Let's not pretend anyone picked this to be a champion of small government. This was picked to be a champion of large campaign contributions and comfy post-government "consultant" gigs.

Good day: Government busy doing things to let the rich and powerful fuck over the poor and vulnerable. This is free market small government deregulation.

Even better day: Government doing things to protect the rich and powerful from everyone and everything. This is crime and terrorism prevention regulations.

Rand Paul just believes that the government should stay out of everything. And when he has a chance to do something about it, you bet he'll take it up, even if it's not in everyone's interest.

If he really believed that, he'd be against the existence of corporations and the enforcement of intellectual property laws, since they are both "legal fictions" that require government enforcement above and beyond contractual obligation to be viable.

you are too stupid to breed so don't please, thanks.

Solid argument buddy.

Rule 10, only warning.

How is your freedom being violated?

You are free not to agree to the terms of service if you disagree with them.

Websites such as reddit and facebook are not possible if the companies are not allowed to sell the information they gather.

How about total freedom? Without government involvement we wouldn't have an internet at all, or much of modern society. And we'd be much better off for it.

I'd like to see the nuclear arsenal hijacked and used as a reset button to tribal society.

What a joke.

They are all puppets feeding off of each other.

For real? Seems like something he is against or his father is very against

Rand Paul =/ Ron Paul

He co-sponsored it and then abstained from voting.

weasel bastard

Co-sponsored, not co-authored...

Right, Comcast & AT&T authored it. Well, ALEC probably but close enough.

And i think that the reason he didnt vote on it is that he realizes that it alienates his younger base and that this was going to pass without his vote.

Rand Paul had an opportunity to vote against this bill and decided not to vote instead. He's a hypocrite.

He needs that re-election money

So what you're saying is that no matter Trump does, it's proof that he's not on our side?

And honestly if he DOES veto, it will be under the advisement from TPTB, because there's too much pushback and they won't risk tarnishing his image with all this publicity for the bill

I couldn't really care less what his reasoning would be. Politics at that level is all an incredibly calculated PR move.

So whatever he does, he will be the bad guy regardless?

oh stfu you idiots wouldnt give him credit for anything anyway so foff losers. Seriously. It's hackneyed at this point.

Removed. Rule 4.

Fair enough. Thanks.

So what you're saying is if he signs it he's an asshole but if he doesn't he's still an asshole because it was under the guidance of someone else? If he vetoes it he should get credit for doing the right thing even if it took advisement from others.

Are you fucking kidding me? You think they'd all vote on this bill if they didn't have Trump's promise locked in fucking granite that he's sign it?

Politics... what is it?

So far the biggest successes of the Trump presidency are things he hasn't done (FIrst Amendment Defense Act, TPP, war with Iran), yet.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't lol

Rand Paul is a consponsor of the very bill as well, what a mindfuck

At first I thought the bolded edit was a Rand Paul quote... and kind of smiled. Then I realized it wasn't and laughed at myself and had to re-read.

of course he is

and remember all those internet IP bills, they are going to strut back swinging their balls in your face and will teabag the fuck out of America.

Aren't privacy protections more beneficial to the government? Maybe people will start encrypting their traffic more after all of this visibility.

Except when he's the one being watched

Or being investigated

Somehow, Trump supporters will find a way to tell you this is no big deal.

no big deal, don't worry

Its the Russians.

Methinks the Democratic Left complains too much.

(the Russians - HA!)

I visit r/the_Donald regularly and I've seen zero support for this. Can u link me to the comments posted that make you think this will be the case?

Look like 5 comments above yours. There's a couple telling us how this would be a good thing.

Where? I can't see any comments saying this will be a good thing

They're there. They're almost all replies to comments saying it's a bad thing. I'm on mobile and on my break so sorry but you'll have to find it on your own.

I've searched, but cannot find anyone saying it's a good thing.

Even is there is one or two comments saying it is good, does that mean the majority of t_d think it's a good idea?

You're definitely not searching good enough then.

One moron upthread was saying it's a good thing because it takes away power from the FCC I'm not even joking.

One post does not define a subreddit

I, like many others over there, do not agree or support it.

Can you link me to a comment in t_d where they critizice their god emperor? I'm not visiting that cesspool.

This thread. Sort by controversial.

This isnt t_d....

Could've fooled me.

It's a common argument tactic I'm seeing alot. See something you don't agree with? Demand a source! Put the burden of proof on the other guy. They provided only one source? Must be an outlier. Or then they'll latch onto one incorrect detail and call the whole thing invalid.

After the sourcing argument they'll move onto "well I work it that field so I think I know a thing or two" and just stick their head in the sand ignoring reason.

Uh yeah no shit, asking for sources is a common tactic in an argument.

Asking for a source on something that doesn't exist is illogical. He said he hasn't seen any support for it so there will be no (or very little) posts that support it. He did not say that the people there were denouncing it.

Nope, he asked for a source for someone criticizing trump for it.

Can you link me to a comment in t_d where they critizice their god emperor?

Yeah but /u/xenonsupra didn't say anyone was criticizing it just that people weren't supporting it.

My mistake then, thought you meant the comment from /u/Deimd

Yeah, my bad. I should have used specific names instead of just "he".

He also limited Trump supporters down to just the_Donald. So looks like everyone is an idiot.

That's reddits shtick tho, we ask for sources.

They ban you for that shit lol. "Muh full time rally"

"Full time rally"? They have the most creative euphemisms for "safe space".

You spelled "echo chamber" wrong. Seriously, people there are proud of the fact that it's the only place they ever visit on the internet.

You spelled "echo chamber" wrong.

I say "safe space" because they ban people who have unacceptable opinions and refuse to admit they're a safe space because that's something they accuse every other subreddit of being.

An "echo chamber" or circle jerk isn't always a safe space because being downvoted heavily by a circle jerk is much different than being banned by the moderators in addition to that. The cult members know the difference they just choose to conflate it so they don't have to admit they're the biggest safe space of all. All they do is either deflect about /r/politics or come up with a euphemism for safe space.

I hate that about t_d.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/625vd4/fullpage_ad_in_todays_nytimes_dear_mr_president/

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TLDR : some do express concern but most still go with "no big deal" or "not an issue" or " we are over reacting"

I've actually started using my alt account to attack the people in the no no sub who question anything, even in the slightest.
The top comment earlier this week in a post about the failed healthcare bill was from a guy (his post history showed he was an obvious red hat) who said something like- "I'm as loyal a pede as there is, but come on, Trump was pushing this bill and it failed. No big deal, but be honest about it."

I laid into him using all their typical "cuck" talk. Told him he wasn't a true pede, and was obviously a paid shrill. Others joined in, and now his comment has been purged by the mods, and I'm assuming (based on my experience) that he is now serving a week long ban.

My thoughts: This is how they will implode. They'll split from within...I just want to make it so so when the average supporter in that shit hole eventually questions something, he gets harassed and banned for a week. Maybe it will opentheir eyes to experience what it's like for the toxicity of that circlejerk to be focused on them for logically evaluating something (and also how they protect their safe space)....

and now I'm excited, because it sounds like if he signs this bill I'll have a chance to get back into character on my alt acct, and lambast some motherfuckers!

I like the cut of your jib!

...Damn. This is some next level shit you got going on.

I've always like the idea of strategically downvoting any reasonable comments or questions.

4D chess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/62733g/lets_discuss_this_isp_privacy_bill/. Read the comments

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Well, Trump can still act against the bill, so probably that's why they still can have some discussion. But we all already know how things go over there, it's a sub for supporting him blindly. I hope that I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that he won't do shit to protect internet privacy, and then t_d users will go for a narrative that justifies it, like it's GOP's fault, it's Obama's fault, the bill isn't really bad, he's playing 7D chess, or whatever, we'll see.

Exactly. Just angry liberals who think they know better than everyone else. Nothing new

impossible. you see t_d is sorta like north korea, if you criticize great leader or speak against the OFFICIAL PARTY TRUTH you will be immediately banned and deleted.

so obviously you won't see any criticism for him not vetoing it there, once he inevitably doesn't veto it. only in forums that care about facts and the truth can be debated openly without first checking in with the party masters for the acceptable narratives of the day would you see such criticism. Never in the donald, or if you do you can go back five minutes later and see how its been swept into the memory hole.

I'm banned from every Hillary and anti Trump related sub for making like three comments in T_D, don't act like the left isn't a cesspool of censorship.

What Hillary subs lmfao

Are you implying that there were never any Hillary related subs?

In a joking manner, yes

In comparison to the rampant Donald and Bernie subs that gained massive traction on Reddit, Hillary's subs were ants in an ocean

Hurr durr whatabout clinton?

Excellent rebuttal.

It wasnt a rebuttal, it was a summation.

Yes, I was being sarcastic because you added nothing to the conversation.

Then it was a truly accurate summation.

And I was banned from the Donald preemptively, it's to stop trolls just like the mods at the Donald told me

It's always black and white for you guys. You said something bad about our dear leader? Well look a what the DEMS do!! Bengahzi!!! Emails!! BLOW JOBS!!!

He didn't say one thing about the left. So there was no reason for you to bring it up. Most ppl in this sub are beyond parties and realize they both exist to keep the wealthy in power.

citation needed. or to put it another way, i think that is a lie.

also i'd like to quote another user here:

This is usually what Trump supporters resort to. Whatboutism that paradoxically insists the thing he's been accused of is fine, whilst also insisting that you need to focus on this other person that did(n't) do something sorta like what Trump did because they're worse.

The Russian connections are the most frequent, but they'll do it with Trump's ignoring of Saudi Arabia on the terror list and Clinton's supposed ties to the Saudis. And they'll do it with his "kill the familise of terrorists" whilst also saying everyone want's us to go to war with Russia.

so, tell us some more about how its fine that t_d is a den of censorship, because hill and anti-trump subs do to, supposedly.

Did I say it was fine that t_d doesn't censor people? I said the left does it too, it isn't an exclusively t_d thing.

Head over to /r/askthe_donald

They will support him til their dying day, they are total fanatics.

They will support him til their dying day, they are total fanatics twelve year olds and Russians.

FTFY

It's been a few hours and you have a handful of comments, but no answer to your request. I think that sorta answers it.

I visit all the time and have seen zero mention of this. They ignore it because it does not fit the narrative.

Probably ignored because you'll get banned 10/10 times for criticising his policies which is extremely ironic considering how most of the sub criticises other subs for being liberal echo chambers.

It's hard to find any forum on the Internet that isn't an echo chamber, unfortunately.

r/rawdenim

You can't even ask questions about policy there or you'll be banned. I was banned over a year ago for asking what his stance was on net neutrality in a post about net neutrality. They said this wasn't the place for discussion, but it's obvious they just didn't want any of that in the comments because they assumed this type of thing was coming down the line.

Are you fucking stupid ? They just ban everyone

This is what I think will happen, when he passes it any mention of him supporting the bill and how it's betraying the American people will be immediately deleted (and you'll probably get banned). If he vetoes it the entire front page will be how much he loves every American and is sticking it to the GOP.

You will see zero posts about it there. Doesn't fit the narrative of their dear leader's perfection.

Same way they call his support of the wealth care bill 4D chess instead of the failure it is.

Zero support yet, once he signs it, it'll be spun like a fucking top.

People actually go there for serious discussion?

I haven't seen a single post about the bill, not even one. How is that possible? These are people who are tech savvy and use the internet all the time, people who's values, based on other posts, clearly go against the concept of this bill, yet no posts denouncing it. How can that be?

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/dfiafzp/

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/dfi1mfa/

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/dfhzojn/

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/dfisvfa/

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/dfib3n9/

[https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/625vd4/comment/dfjyogr?st=J0UZ7Y3Z&amp;sh=dbffa5f3](They're claiming it's no big deal, everyone is overreacting, and that t_d has the most knowledgeable tech people...)

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[Here you go](np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/62733g/lets_discuss_this_isp_privacy_bill/?st=J0V3TPRF&sh=4c2276a5)

And the top comments (as of now) are against it. Never bad to see both sides of the story as the OP presents.

I am not a Trump supporter. It's no big deal.

It is no big deal. Nothing has changed. The rules were brand new and we didn’t even have a chance to experience the internet with the rules in place. Why weren’t you fighting against this a year ago? We were literally in the exact same position then.

So he will make a friend out of you for dumping this bill? Hahahaha

What if this bill was a softball to win him some affection from the people?

Or, what if this bill is to prove he is heeling like a good dog?

He's gonna sign the bill. Watch.

Of course he will. He signs anything put in front of him. Watch him remark in the coming weeks that "it's terrible how Obama stripped away internet privacy" legitimately not realizing that was his dumb ass.

"Oh, I thought Habeus Corpus meant internet privacy. I did that?"

Well considering the White House has already told the press that they support it...it's not a matter of if he does. He will sign it. Consider it done. Sorry yall.

420G internet chess! even if hes filling the swamp hes ACTUALLY draining it! MAGA!

420G internet chess! even if hes filling the swamp hes ACTUALLY draining it! MAGA!

no, hes not. hes draining the swamp right into his cabinet! thats why his cabinet is goldman sachs from top to bottom! and thats also why he didnt veto the bill! how can you support this man?! he has done nothing for the american people, only him and his rich buddies! hes not "playing 4d chess". is him not vetoing this bill not proof enough for you that he is only out to serve the interests of the rich?! what more proof do you need? when will you wake up and realize that this orangeman care nothing for the struggles of regular people!?

3748329 DIMENSIONAL CHECKERS! haha you're right i was just being fascisious. FUCK TRUMP!

lol

Not only will Trump supporters not criticize him on this, they'll find a reason why it was in their best interest to pass it.

Fuck this country and it's dumb citizens so much. The left and the right are so fucking stupid. I want to move to Africa like Dave Chappell

lol you sure bout that?

They only show you the ghettos of Africa, they have billion dollar cities and have been receiving billions from China to build even more.

20 years from now, America will look like the African Ghettos and Africa will look like America.

Ironic?

No, the stupid americans keep voting in the same bunch of clowns.

It is not ironic, it's iconic.

America has a big part to play in the future, it's not one most will be happy about but one that is very important to our creator. We made this bed long ago, we're just sleeping and living the American dream while it lasts.

But we can't sleep forever.

What a poet

what

No creator.

gg no rm

If that narrative is true, America is The Whore of Babylon.

The virgin daughter of Babylon who has never been touched.

God bless America.

If the people who live in the middle of America had an inkling of understanding of what say a city like Shanghai is like compared to one of their podunk towns, they'd be so pissed they couldn't sleep at night.

Most people have a vision of the world promulgated by the media.

The clueless sleep soundly, my friend.

Put that on my vision board kemosabe.

😎

very unlikely

I mean you've obviously never left you suburb.

I dont even know what you are trying to say here. I live in Amsterdam, having escaped the immigrant ghettos where the police would not help us.

there are some crazy nice parts of africa and your dollar goes a long way there

i got a buddy who's house is built with a waterfall inside of it his mortgage is like 800 bucks

Where at? Do mosquitos live in this waterfall?

kenya

Dave Chappelle lives on a farm in Ohio.

Yep only an hour away from me

What's it like in Ohio, Africa? Does he have lions on his farm?

Lol Ohio is a pretty boring state really, but Dave probably wanted some place to "get away" from it all. It's serene, flat, and peaceful out here.

I use to live in North West PA, not too far from Ohio.

Isn't his parents from Yellow springs? That's why I always assumed he was there.

I ran into him backstage at a concert at my college in OH. He wasn't really famous yet...this was post-Half-Baked but pre-Chappelle-Show so I knew him but saw that he was sitting alone. I had just crowd surfed and hugged De La Soul, so I was pretty happy to suddenly see Dave Chappelle, too. He immediately noticed I was very high. I was hapy to point out the same qualities in him. We hugged for a moment. Then people started taking pictures and we parted ways. Two high souls in the night.

Lol for real? That happened? That's a cool ass story man!

Chapelle is a great human being. I have a lot of respect for him as a comedian (amateur comedian here) and as a person who stands up to the system and speaks truths.

Tell me a joke

How many police officers does it take to break an egg? None, it fell, okay?

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Damn that's a rad story. And the best part? Nobody can take that experience away from you, that's yours for life. Happy Wednesday!

I saw him at a gas station once. Some guy at another pump yelled "Hey Dave Chappelle!" and he yelled "Yeah, I know!" and drove off.

I never felt more starstruck.

The left and the right are so fucking stupid.

For the record, the bill that was just passed was strictly along party lines. This piece of shit is on the right.

10 republicans voted against

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Thats literally not the definition of "strictly along party lines", tho

Strictly across republican lines. How can the democrats be blamed in any way if none of them voted for it.

Its not strictly across republican lines. 10 republicans voted against

Oh hot damn, that makes the parties identical!

He lives in Ohio. He visited Africa for 2 weeks.

Not one democrat voted for this garbage.

Not one.

dave is in ohio

mos def however did just up and move to africa

I'm a mild trump supporter and I'm gonna be pissed as fuck if he doesn't veto it. It'll just further prove that he's like every other politician.

Will you be pissed enough to voice this to other trump supporters you know personally? For me, that's a petty important measurement of dissent. Keeping it to yourself or not.

I mean yeah sure but I can't be sure that they will actually listen.

I applaud you for at least holding him accountable and not being totally brainwashed like the others into supporting a person regardless of what they do...

I hope you can see the light, that he is truly not on our side brother.

The only brainwashed person here is you..

Yes, /r/The_Donald is pretty fuckng extreme and do not allow dissenting views for the most part, but if you think this is how all Trump supporters are you have a warped grasp of reality. Not even most people on /r/The_Donald is like that in real life. Stop basing your beliefs on the fringe extremes.

Either way, Get a grip man, if he's still your savior you need to rethink your inks..

Says a guy who apparently only posts on t_d

Jesus christ you sad pathetic fuck.

Somebody got triggered :( did your wittle alt right fee-fees get hurt when you called on your steaming bullshit, snowflake? :(

Nah, not triggered, just telling you like it is. You dismiss people because they post (not even a majority of my posts are in /r/TD) in a sub that you don't like.

You're a pathetic fuck and so are everyone else who is downvoting me.

You are awfully angry pal. Better watch out or you'll develop high blood pressure. Don't know how you'll fare when Trumpcare 2.0 rolls out

I live in Sweden so I'm not really worried about your health care.

Look, I think Trump is a fucking buffoon, but that won't stop me from conversing with Trump supporters. This is why I hang around on not only /r/The_Donald, but also /r/MarchAgainstTrump, /r/politics and /r/OurPresident. (Even though I'm banned from the last one I still lurk around.)

But no, you see that I've posted in /r/The_Donald and suddenly I'm not worth bread and water in your eyes... It's funny how you bash people on /r/The_Donald when you have the same toxic attitude yourself. Which is why you're a sad pathetic fuck.

Oh good, you live in Sweden. How about fuck off from talking about our politics in general then. Good day :)

I didn't talk about your politics. I talked about your assbackwards idiocy of judging every Trump supporter for the actions of a fringe extreme...

Is it really that weird though considering you get instant permabanned for pretty much anything unless you meme around and praise trump/are angry with whatever propaganda they post?

I was banned for saying "Well that's ironic". So unless you're banned it makes you think.

I agree they are very ban happy, but I honestly think that it's pretty understandable considering they are the most brigaded sub on Reddit.

I have been banned but they removed it after I messaged them.

Eh. Idk.

I think it's hypocritical of them, because people who are heavy trump supporters often go to to other subreddits where they disagree with others, which is fine - to each their own with their opinions. But it bugs me how I often hear that t_d is good with freespeech when you get permabanned as soon as you disagree with something.

At times I've agreed with them in there because I think it's been stupid how violent some people have been with trump supporters.

Sure, I disagree heavily with trump and think they've done some.. Interesting things to say the least, but violence and the like isn't good no matter what.

Sooooo... You think that Trump supporters should be banished to /r/The_Donald and not be allowed to interact with the rest of Reddit?

/r/The_Donald knows they are not allowing people with dissenting views. Them touting "last bastion of free speech" is a meme that was born in response to how large subs like /r/news, /r/politics, /r/worldnews and such acted around the Orlando shooting and Reddit at large was going "WTF what is this, why do I have to go to /r/The_Donald to get any news about this?!"

See, you agree with them sometimes.. They are not monsters.

See, you agree with them sometimes.. They are not monsters.

I never claimed they were?

And no I don't think people who support Trump may only resident in t_d.

I simply think it's very hard to take them seriously because you get banned for sneezing in there.

No, but it's the general consensus on Reddit. Good on you if you don't participate in the circlejerk.

It's just very hard to take T_D seriously when you know how much 4chan has aided it all with memes n stuff.

I believe pretty much any candidate other than Hillary would've won over Trump. Trump's probably worse, but Hillary was a black sheep too.

As long as it doesn't drastically affect other countries outside of USA, which I hope, then I'll just be the bystander that might be able to enjoy the somewhat dramaesque fiasco.

LEAVE /u/Dalroc ALONE!!! The majority of his posts aren't even in /r/TD!!!!

Oh the irony.

You think I'm an extremist Trumpster because I called /u/chaozhammer a "sad pathetic fuck" I guess?

Don't be sad lil guy,Trumped tricked you,you liked his gold and stuff.

You're part of that community and part of that insanity. That sub is a fucking disgrace.

Stop basing your beliefs on the fringe extremes.

Someone should teach that concept to /r/The_Donald

Now where have I heard of a past president like that

"like the others".. have you seen the falling approval rating? His supporters might have been "not Clinton, no matter what", but that's different from "supporting what Trump does, no matter what"

Lol I hope you're right man...

As someone who has posted regularly and been vocally anti-Trump on this sub, I would like to politely invite you to voice your opinion to your friends.

You want them to hear you out, not do as you say. They may have a perspective you may not have considered

It's hard to try and get people who have been voting one party for 30+ years to change their mind.

Change their mind to vote Democrats?

Last time Republicans voted for a Democrat they got 8 years of shit and virtue signaling bs.

The feel good President Obama?

Wouldn't sully his image to actually get anything real done.

Aren't most Trump supporters like 12 years old?

Based on the bile and pure hate I see from any Democrat when trumps name is mentioned, I think everyone is 12 years old. All that's missing is an "I fucked your mom last night"

In reality, do you ACTUALLY see this shit posted anywhere that isn't The_dumbass?

I mean you go into that sub and it's very obviously 80% teenage trolls. Internet trolls have always been around and they are now harnessing all that teenage angst into trump memes.

But memes

Will you be pissed enough to vote against him in 2020 if he's not already removed from office? Will you show up to the polls to vote for Democrats in 2018? We're really very nice people, and none of the Dems voted for the bill IIRC.

Trump supporter here.

I always express my complaints and concerns with Trump.

When he was mentioning giving the feds control over marijuana again (which is against what he said while running), I voiced that it should be a state right and that what he said saddened me and made me lose a some of my respect for him.

I had many people comment and ask why I support Trump, tell me that they too felt the same way, others telling me that the states will probably vote against that and not to worry. Overall a healthy and fair discussion about my thoughts and concerns, and I was even able to get a few others to see Trump in a different light when they previously vilified him. You don't have to like the guy, but we should all be working together to shape him into a good president.

But in those comments, I had many people telling me I "deserved that", "thats what I get for being a racist" (lol, wut?), and even got many pms slandering and threatening me. "Oh, you post in (insert one of my most used subs), no wonder you're a stupid fuck." Many people even went through my post history to spam some of my comments telling me to kill myself.

I took all that with a grain of salt, albeit I was disappointed in people, but I can see now why many people dont dare voice their opinions (wether positive or critical) on Trump outside of their respected subs.

I will gladly voice my disappointment and anger if he lets this bill pass, as I've done before. But dont expect many people to, due to the possible backlash and hate.

Has he done a single thing that hasn't disappointed you?

And if not, then why consider yourself a trump supporter?

Oh man.

For all the phony outrage and Trump hate, the thing that's doing him in in the end is his low energy. He has no clue how this all fits together and can't be bothered to figure it out.

Or never wanted to in the first place and just liked being in the spotlight.

If that turns out to be the case (which it's looking like more and more)... Then South Park once again is an oracle of sorts.

Simpsons did it first I believe.

Not exactly. They predicted he'd win, not that he never wanted to.

What phony outrage is that?

He's done many thing that I feel have been great.

As with any president, they may have a couple ideas that their supporters either support or don't. There has never been a president (or any ruler/leader) that has done everything that every single person they lead liked. There will always be at LEAST one thing they do or say that someone somewhere will dislike.

He's done many thing that I feel have been great.

For those of us international lurkers, could you enumerate some?

Edited :)

Beat Hillary

He edited his comment to add things Trump promised to do. Please allow me to clarify.

• He promised Mexico would pay for the wall; Trump was too cowardly to actually see that through (or even bring it up) and it's now American charities who are paying for it

• His Muslim ban was overturned, not because of politics but because of legality and the constitution.

• The U.S. was never in the TPP; they were negotiating its terms but got to the point where both Hillary and Trump were running against it

• He promised to spend less time golfing and vacationing than Obama (he hasn't; he's actually setting a record for most vacations)

• He promised he had a great Healthcare replacement plan to keep everyone insured (he didn't; he left it to the GOP and then yelled at them for fucking it up)

• He promised he'd prosecute Hillary (he didn't)

• He promised he'd hire experts and the "best people" for each department (he didn't)

• He promised to appoint a commission to investigate voter fraud as soon as he became president (he didn't)

• He promised to reveal his secret plan for defeating ISIS when elected (he didn't; post election he ordered the Pentagon instead, to present a plan in 30 days - they presented exactly what Obama has been doing and the Trump administration has been quiet ever since).

• He called Hillary a crook for being under investigation for corruption and is currently under much more serious investigation for treason.

But it seems like now /u/McFatts will lose respect for him.

What's one thing he's done that you like?

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What has he done that is great in your opinion?

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Ok... So name one. I'm all ears.

Had this same discussion with a die hard Trump voter, and they kept giving me either hypotheticals or things that didn't happen, or complete nonsense.

Fair to say I'm skeptical. I'm also a radical. I'm of neither party and think Hillary should hang. But despite all this, unless you have one specific reason that gives you hope, then you are in denial... Just sayn.

Check original comment :)

I have hope, friend.

But we all need to do our part whether or not we support him. Do what you can to make your voice and opinion heard.

You may want to re-edit the wall comment... That will cost us 20 billion and years of labor.

Drug cartels? We fund them. It is well documented. The DEA, CIA, and ICE... All ok record... That was the entire point of operation fast and furious.

I think you need to look more closely at how we got here first, and then check whether he is actually doing anything or full of hot air like every other candidate.

The one thing on your list I'll give him credit for is killing tpp.

All arguments aside, the US funding drug cartels is absolutely disgusting, and let's all pray to whatever god(s) we believe in that having the DOJ task forces fight them is the first step to cutting funding and abolishing them.

The DOJ will never stop drug cartels buddy, idk what world you've been living in but it's either been under a rock or you're 14 and ignorant.

I never said they would stop them. I said hopefully this may be the first step to their end. I never said the DOJ would stop them. I said they will crack down on them and fight back harder against them.

idk what world you've been living in but they must teach you how to put words into people's mouths.

Lol @you're 14

Nothing screams maturity and intellect like assuming someone's age in a demeaning manner.

Yea, they'll just use their magical DOJ powers and just work harder than they were under other presidents. And it'll be Trumps doing!

You're a fucking moron, don't reproduce.

Under other presidents they were not doing as much as they could. It wont just be Trump's doing. It'll be everyone that was involved doing.

Don't know why you're being such a jerk. Healthy discussion is great. But name calling and overall hostility just makes you look like a moron, not me. People disagree with me. I disagree with others.

No need to be such an ass.

Because you're just ignorant. It's fact or fiction, not disagreement bud.

Because you're just ignorant

"You're a fucking moron. Don't reproduce"

Yes. Im ignorant for being polite and discussing what J think, while having my own beliefs, but also being open to other beliefs as Ive mention on this thread a couple times. I've even said Im open to be swayed to alternative view points and I've changed my mind on many things before.

But yes, Im ignorant.

I think we're done here.

Yea that's why you're ignorant, it's because you have different "opinions" not because you blatantly ignore fact. We were done when you started supporting Donald trump, that makes you scum.

Oh ok. Makes sense.. have a nice day..

We? Don't lump me into your garbage attitude. You are telling me you were never duped by a candidate. Or were promised false hope and took the bait?

Be nice or don't. People that respect each other tend to actually listen to each other.

Removed. Rule 4.

If the health care bill had made it to his desk and he'd signed it, how would you have felt about it?

Cant say for sure. I havent been in the US for quite some time, but am coming back in April. I would just hope his replacement would be an honest and fair system.

I think its important to have a great healthcare system in place that works for everyone, but it cant rely on being paid for out of people's pockets who don't even use it.

I hope sooner rather than later we have a great healthcare system that makes everyone happy and allows everyone to be properly taken care of.

your silence is deafening

What?

Can't go through them all, on mobile, but after a quick skimming...

Signed the executive order to begin the building of the wall on the Mexican border

And then proposed a budget to pay for it with US tax payer money. Even if his supporters say they'll pay for it later, I've never seen Trump himself clearly explain this, and I don't trust any politician. Until I see it in writing, I don't buy it.

An order stating that when an agency adds a regulation, they must abolish two others

Why exactly is this a good thing? I understand the attraction in theory. Everyone likes to say there are too many federal regulations, but what does this measure do to get rid of those that are actually bad, instead of those that are merely hindering corporate profits (e.g. dumping coal ash in rivers)? If you want to remove some regulations, remove those regulations. This broad measure is just lip service to the "don't tread on me" crowd.

Temporary suspension on immigration from countries known to be heavily inhabited by Muslim extremist groups.

A. The heavily inhabited by Muslim extremist groups is a point of contention. Also, even if that was the goal, he missed a lot.

B. This is a success for him now? Pretty sure the courts have been killing him on this one.

hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents

Again, why is this a good thing? Obama deported more illegal immigrants back to Mexico than any president ever. Less than 1/3 of illegals actually come here across the border (most are from overstayed visas). It's very clear that immigration is an important issue, but what problems is he actually solving by dumping massive resources into plans that may or may not be solved by these measures?

US will withdraw from the TPP

Amen. Something we can all agree on.

Not just US tax payer money, it's being paid for with tax money while the same tax money is being cut from budgets like climate or cancer research.

Trump is cutting science to pay for a wall that won't do anything. Superb.

And his anti-intellectual base is cheering him on while saying they're "not tired of winning yet."

Is there a source on the overstayed visas? Could be handy to have.

Yea, sorry. I was on my phone earlier. It's a paper published by the Center for Migration Studies. Here's a few key findings:

• The unauthorized resident population was about a million lower in 2013 than in 2007.
• The “Great Recession” was not the principal cause of population decline.
• Annual arrivals into the unauthorized population increased to more than one million in 2000, then began to drop steadily, and have now reached their lowest levels since the early 1980s.
• From 2000 to 2012, arrivals from Mexico fell by about 80 percent.
• Between 2010 and 2013, the total unauthorized population from Mexico declined by eight percent.
• In 2006, the number of arrivals from Mexico fell below the total number of arrivals from all other countries (combined) for the first time.
• The number who stayed beyond the period authorized by their temporary visas (overstays) exceeded the number who entered across the southern land border without inspection (EWIs) in each year from 2008 to 2012.

Thanks!

Been collecting these examples, along with stats on refugees in the US and other countries, for awhile. Great to have for reference.

On the wall: you realize most illegal immigrants won't care about the wall? Most are entering the country legally but then overstay their visa limit

On the Muslim ban: beyond the fact it's unconstitutional as fuck, it was also placed on countries from which very few actual terrorists came from

On the wall- many illegal immigrants still sneak over the border illegally. Sure, not as many as there were in 2005, when it was nearly 800,000 a year. As of 2015 that number was down to close to 200,000. Which is still too big a number.

On the Muslim ban- how is it unconstitutional when the people living in the seven countries mentioned (which are in fact inhabited by many extremist groups and even in the middle of war) are not even US residents or citizens? It is not just Muslims not allowed to come from those countries. It is everyone in the country as a whole. Muslims can still come from countless other countries. Just not the seven mention due to those countries being way too unstable and dangerous.

•An order stating that when an agency adds a regulation, they must abolish two others

Literal retardation here. Regulation isn't inherently good or bad. "We passed a regulation that says your barrels must be larger than x, and also had to remove the regulations that say you can't dump your waste in landfills and rivers."

•Temporary suspension on immigration from countries known to be heavily inhabited by Muslim extremist groups.

Everyone who doesn't have trumps dick in their mouth knows this won't reduce terrorism and only writes isis propaganda for them.

•stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities

They legally can't do that, and even if they could they wouldn't dare piss off the parts of this country that are subsidizing trashistan. All those cities give more to the fed than they get. Furthermore sanctuary cities exist so illegal immigrants aren't too scared to testify when the state needs them.

And there's nothing he can do that will make a state value immigration law over locking up people who are actually dangerous.

In fact most of your support of him seems to shoe you care more about the appearance that we enforce our laws unquestionably than the actual real world consequences.

•US will withdraw from tpp

And without any alternative the Chinese will monopolize trade in the region.

How is the wall a good idea? Not that hard to tunnel under/climb over. Bad for migrating animals, a visual blight. Seems like a waste of money to me.

•Signed the executive order to begin the building of the wall on the Mexican border.

Which he says Mexico is going to pay for. It won't be effective, and the money could go on feeding the poor.

It's a folly.

Im all for immigration. My mom's family came from Mexico. But they came in legally, not illegally. Its important to go through the correct process to come here. Having undocumented workers work jobs hurts the American people.

Where does that come on the list of priorities though?

Doesn't Walmart not paying employees a living wage hurt the American people?

There's so many more important things out there, that would cost less to fix - apart from the political fallout.

It's easier to attach immigrants than it is to attack CEOs.

Don't you feel ashamed for picking on the weakest group, rather than the strongest?

•Three DOJ task forces will now fight the drug cartels and help to prevent crimes against police officers.

The war on drugs is an utter waste of time. Literally everyone knows it.

•An order stating that when an agency adds a regulation, they must abolish two others

Although it doesn't state which ones.

There's always this fantasy about "regulation" - but they are usually put there for a reason. Republicans always moan about regulations and then - bam - they mean they want to dump into lakes and rivers, or they want to sell Internet history etc.

Regulations are there to protect people. Not to hamstring big business.

But consider this - maybe the global corporations need some regulation.

•Temporary suspension on immigration from countries known to be heavily inhabited by Muslim extremist groups.

More theatre.

•stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities

•hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents

Government jobs. What about thousands more teachers?

•US will withdraw from the TPP

These are some of the biggest ones of many that came to mind.

EDIT- I will say if he allows this bill to pass giving up our privacy, I will lose all respect I have for him and will speak against Trump. I just hope it does not come to that.

The thing about seemingly all of these rules is that like most conservative thinking - they want things that don't work to work.

Just build a wall, stop brown people, get tough on drugs, make it so businesses can make more money while the citizens get less protection.

It's just an old tired way of thinking that seems to make sense but decades of experience has shown us doesn't work.

Modern problems today require solutions that are counter intuitive.

And that's the thing that in my opinion the Conservative mind accept.

It's like these Southern states that ban sex education and promote abstinence only - then a few years later they end up with the highest teen pregnancy rates and high welfare bills.

Just banning and smashing and stopping doesn't work.

But the real tragedy is we already knew that's how it worked.

But then a new generation of assholes comes along - reads the Bible, doesn't real anything else and then that want to ban sex education again and the cycle continues.

That's why there's so much hate for Trump and the republicans. Because they keep letting people who don't understand history and politics govern.

I appreciate the opposing viewpoints. Im very open minded, and let me tell you have given me some stuff to think about. I may end up changing my view point on a couple things after thinking about it with a different mind set. I mean that.

Thanks for the healthy discussion. I would have typed more but I am actually in the middle of something (packing) right now.

Packing is a nightmare. I feel your pain!

FYI, he's pretending to be open-minded, contemplative and discussive. Have a look at his post history. He calls Trump his God Emperor and believes in Pizza Gate.

You're being bamboozled.

He was still being polite to me in that moment.

If he took the time to read my words then good.

Wait you think he genuinely bothered to read what you wrote?

I find the memes funny and ironic. I did actually take time to read what he wrote, and found it to be very intelligent.

I like to poke fun at all the Trump memes. I like to make fun of Hillary. If you look through many of my comments, you'll see me countless times questioning Trump and asking other supporters what they think of his choices.

Apart from you telling me he wasn't, he seemed to be polite.

I'll just treat everything on face value for now, thanks.

Dont listen to the troll. I genuinely read your comment and was actually being polite. I swear on my own life and my future children's lives that I am genuinely being discussive and open minded. I have no reason to be impolite to you considering your counter points were educated and said with no ill will.

If you want to talk more, you can PM me if you'd like. Or we can talk here. Its almost midnight so I may go to bed, so you may get a late response. But I will respond.

It's cool. Carry on the discussion here!

Late response because I was watching Westworld. Back now, though.

Not true at all. No bamboozling here. I believe that there is indeed something shady going on with human trafficking and the US government. Sue me. I am not one of the extremist r/The_Donald posters by any stretch.

Have I posted funny memes on there for laughs? Yes. Do I call him God Emperor un-ironically? No. Thanks for speaking on my behalf though. Really does wonders. Must be great being able to read people's minds over the internet.

I do actually enjoy being open-minded and contemplative. You should try it sometime.

You voted Trump?Are you. The klan?

It's easier to attach immigrants than it is to attack CEOs.

It's far too late now but the entire reason that CEOs and the 1% were able to consolidate the amount of wealth and power they have is because of immigration and the ensuing balkanization. Humans are innately tribal. We function in homogeneous groups and we hold leaders accountable. When we are mixed with other tribes, we start voting stupidly and defensively.

The USA started its dowhill trajectory as soon as Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed, as this effectively opened the flood gates.

So, for those who hope to regain what the nation stood for and regain a sense of community and honor, any hope at all is to get a wall in place and a strong effort to remove people who are not of us. Hopefully this explains the less overt reason that immigration is a force of destruction.

Well that's just absurd.

Capital begets capital. The wage gap grows as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

How could it be anyway else?

A distracted populace allows the rich to consolidate wealth and power.

A fearful populace can be convinced that they should support politicians who, ultimately, help the rich consolidate wealth and power.

An angry populace...the same.

Balkanization will never work. Culturally homegenous nations such as those in Scandinavia have shown us what humans are capable of at our best. Sweden has decided to take a different path and will soon be an example of what I'm talking about as they import other tribes and the corresponding chaos.

Flood a nation with chaos and those who navigate it best will be opportunists, not the humble and the honorable.

The threat of the wall has immigration down 40%.

Walls work.

http://thedailylion.com/tough-talk-illegal-trump/

"if it weren't for me you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration"

That's right, they would be talking about more important things and not praying on petty tribalism.

And how does a threat of a wall prevent immigrants?

It stops them from walking across the border where there is no barrier.

The threat of a wall. Not an actual wall.

How does there not being a wall yet stop people crossing the border?

Changes the mindset that it is easy and safe to cross. That and Obama literally telling boarder control to stand down.

The wall will work.

So was it the threat of the wall or did border control just achieve the same thing

Is there any evidence that Obama told border control to "stand down"?

Maybe, if the border control did their job then the wall is unnecessary?

Yep.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3186/obama-tells-border-agents-stand-down-hank-berrien

And yea, you are right, enforcement helps a ton. Here is a video of illegals just walking across. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwqTWj_tlNU

Your mom's family came over from Mexico legally? How many of them? And were they legal the entire time they were here or did they become legal while here?

They went through months and months of paper work, took many tests and citizenship tests, and then came here legally and got dual citizenship. There were MANY of them. Like, well more than a dozen. I think more than that. Like, the whole family.

We were never in the TPP. Worth noting he hasn't really done anything but play golf every weekend.

He wasn't Hillary. REEEEE.

All the mean Bernie Bros didn't cave and vote Hillary! I hate them! I hate them! I hate them! They ruined my life!!!

And can you name a reason you support trump? What has he done that you are proud he has done?

Because as of now, all he has done is sold out the american public to big corporate interests.

Nominated Neil Gorsuch to supreme court Nominated Mattis Will not destroy the 2nd amendment Isn't pushing a SJW agenda Under his admin, Flint receives 100 million for the water crisis. Unblocked keystone/dakota pipeline Reduced the price on the new fighter jets Still aims to impose tariffs on imports like every other country does. ICE and other illegal immigration stances. The list goes on.

Seems like a fair assessment. Thanks for your honesty and bravery voicing a contrary opinion.

Reduced the price on the new fighter jets

FYI, Trump didn't really do anything. This would have happened regardless. https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-f-35-cost-234719

What about Neil Gorsuch do you support?

What about general Mattis do you support?

And golf. He's played lots of golf.

As a vocal Trump-nonsupporter, I think my my lefty friends and I are being brainwashed by the media - not the real media like the NYT, let's call it the "alt-left media" of disappointing Jon Stewart spinoffs and terrible blogs e.g, Occupy Democrats and Truthout - to be unnecessarily divisive. I've fallen for it too, and I'm a freaking Southerner and some of my dearest friends and relatives voted for Trump with good intentions. AND I'm a tin foil hatter. So if I can be tricked into calling people racists and rednecks, when I know full well it's not true, imagine the typical San Francisco bubble dweller who doesn't even know any rural Southerners. It's too easy. Smart people are easier marks than average ones sometimes.

Anyway, good on you for keeping your own reaction to disappointment. But if someone or something is trying to tear apart the USA ("United we stand, divided we fall" is more than just a catchphrase, it's an eternal truth), this isn't an accident. It's psyops. And it's working.

I hope we can all figure out how to rise above it, and accept that people on both sides can be fooled into acting foolish. And call it a human weakness to be forgiven and overcome rather than personal failings to be avenged and punished. Otherwise, whoever is doing this will win.

Well spoken and very true.

The minute that ANYONE does anything to put the American people in jeopardy, I will turn on them instantly. I get why people don't like Trump. Hell, I know he isn't the best president we've had like many die hard supporters say. But in my honest opinion, he was the only choice for me in this election and he has done much good while in office. I hope to see independent business owners thrive, and America to be about America only again. I will completely dump Trump if he passes this bill because this goes against America.

But at the end of day, the president isn't who makes the choices. We are. And we all need to work together to fight for what we all want and for what we think is for the best.

Many people will downvote me because they disagree, but will never give reasons why. That saddens me because Im open minded and love to peacefully discuss politics, and have been swayed to new view points before. Its important for us all to stop labelling each other, and think together.

but... he's already doing things to put Americans in jeopardy

I agree with you, greenlemon23, but my point is that lots of us are being brainwashed into being mean to each other. Trump's the President, he's not even 100 days in, and while I disagree with most of everything he's doing, I get why people still want to stand behind him. And I feel like I was almost tricked into calling my own friends and family rednecks and racists on Facebook of all places. I got all spun up reading left-wing blogs and started talking shit. Wish I could take it back. Not the marches, not the protests, not the calm, reasoned arguments against his policies - I stand behind all that even though I know it upset and angered my friends. But the name calling. Even if they called me a snowflake or a libtard or whatever. But if we can forgive each other, that goes a long way (well, a way) toward standing up to whatever forces seek to divide us.

And McFatts, thanks for your comment. We CAN all get along. But we've got to try.

America only....that's my reason for down voting you.

And we all need to work together to fight for what we all want and for what we think is for the best.

Is there a subreddit dedicated for rich/poor left/right dem/rep to work together to solve problems?

There needs to be..

And it's working

what if the thing the US needs is to jettison all of its conservatives? seriously, what if that is what we need to be unified again? they've dragged us down for an extremely long time, and it's getting old.

Good luck trying to jettison all the conservatives. That's less likely than getting all the Muslims to give up their religion. But at some point we need to get the debate back to a civil level, and it seems like someone, or a group of someones, is conspiring against us.

I think it's a subset of corporate interests trying to create a neo-feudal society, and so they're breaking down the middle class and democratic republics into bite-sized, easily digestible chunks. Breaking apart the EU and NAFTA. Calexit. Etc. And the meaner we are too each other, the easier it is to do. So maybe try to be civil? And honorable? And respectful? It's a start.

You're a trumper in disguise. Go back to r/asablackman.

I think the hate is because you all allowed a populist asshole to manipulate you into voting for him, and it's having disasterous effects on the US.

The racism comes from trying to ban Muslims, the Mexican wall, the deportations etc.

The reason why it's racism is because the real reason for lack of jobs is insanely high disparity in wages between workers and CEOs.

But it's easier to blame immigrants.

It's just standard shit from the demagogue playbook.

The reason for the vitriol is because time and time again Trump supporters do no listen, you're all being cheer led by Russian oligarchs, and you cut off communication.

You have all done something really stupid, and you want to be taken seriously, but you won't be.

You're absolutely right that many CEOs are responsible for job losses. What with moving production and business out of the US. Also for hiring cheap illegal labor. Which will all end due to no illegal immigrants to hire, and having to bring business back to the US.

I think the racism stems from both sides. The majority of Trump supporters are not racist. The majority of leftists are not racist. There is racism and bigotry amongst every group. Theres blacks beating white. Mexican beating blacks. Whites beating Mexicans. Muslims beating blacks. The suspension on Muslim immigration is not racist. Neither is the wall. It is not about race. It is about preserving America's safety.

You made it a race thing. Not me.

How will not hiring illegal immigrants bring jobs that are sent abroad, back?

That doesn't even make sense.

Bringing back companies that are abroad to the US to manufacture here in the states will open jobs

Companies not being able to hire illegal immigrants here in the states will open more jobs.

Sorry if it was kinda jumbled together. I can see where the confusion stemmed from.

Bringing back companies that are abroad to the US to manufacture here in the states will open jobs

Agreed. Although how you do that I don't know.

Companies not being able to hire illegal immigrants here in the states will open more jobs.

Very unskilled low level work.

Maybe the American people should think about using their position as an advanced nation and do more high end jobs, in the year technology sectors, rather than being forced time and time again to compete with cheap foreign labour.

I mean, cheap foreign labour exists no matter how you look at it... Capitalist countries will find a way to utilise it.

Maybe Americans need to be on the next tier. Making use of their education opportunities.

Sorry if it was kinda jumbled together. I can see where the confusion stemmed from.

The real reason we lack jobs is because all the easy jobs for the masses were automated long ago and only tradition and refusal to change has left them in place for as long as they have been.

The economy has shifted and while there are enough things to do for everyone, those "things to do" largely aren't about survival anymore (ie: food, shelter, and heat; ie: agriculture, construction, and energy). The economy has been based on need, and most jobs similarly based on need, for a long time. Most of those jobs are gone forever. The want-based economy has been growing for a long while, but we don't know how to structure that yet.

Personally, I'm for UBI to take care of needs, so that "wants" have room to grow unimpeded.

We're going to approach a point where UBI is all but necessary. Many of those need-based jobs are automated, with more heading that way every day, and we're already working on automating want-based jobs.

The UK has had to largely switched to a service economy.

Pretty much everyone I regularly socialise with has a job that didn't exist twenty odd years ago

Instead of coal jobs Trump could be subsidising training people to work with renewable power.

Jobs that would be useful for a very long time, instead of just trying to keep everyone in their pastoral little place.

Funny, Clinton campaigned on that!

Interesting now there is the big trend towards minimalism and not buying a home and junk to fill it. I imagine the high end stores are going to starting hurting soon like William Sonoma, Pottery barn. Seriously who spends 99 bucks on a orange owl to display for a few days at halloween? Buy experiences not stuff--but the economy relies on people buying junk so the ppl making the junk have a job.

All of this.

And I would add that the Trump era is a direct and logical result of the modern Right, which uses fear, division, and misinformation to push an agenda that benefits the wealthy and turns the nation backwards economically, socially, culturally, and educationally. It is not just Trump but the entire Republican Party that is ruining this country.

This is important to remember, because what's going to happen next is republicans are going to try to distance themselves from the Trumpster fire, and act like they are the better, sane choice. Don't forget that midterms are right around the corner. They are counting on the short memories and lack of attention of their voting base.

I only hope that everyone has a little look through their browser history and thinks "am I glad that people I voted for made this public"

Hear, hear!

This populist asshole was better than a guaranteed deal with the fucking devil, you fucking retard.

In regards to your last line, they all want civil discourse but elected a guy who is not capable of it. Good for the goose good for the gander.

I mean - you just can go to the do Donald and present a dissenting opinion.

I mean, let people downvote it - let Reddit work the way Reddit is supposed to work.

I mean, no...it is NOT our job to shape him into a good president. He should have had any qualifications beforehand. If he proposed some bill or measure that was actually beneficial, we should probably at least listen, but we don't have an obligation to work with him on destroying departments and services.

No one is the perfect president when they come into office. Yes, they need to be well rounded to begin with, but it is indeed important for them to be able to cater to EVERY single citizen, even the ones that voted against him. If he pushes for something that may be harmful in the long run, then it is important for the American people to voice their opinion so he knows what is best for us.

I understand what you are saying, and I do agree.

I don't believe you and if you support this idiot then there is nothing positive to say about you.

You sound just as hateful as the guy you hate is! What a shocker.

I'm fucking sick of idiots ruining this country.

Good to know. Noted.

You seem like you've thought this out pretty well, why trump? I get hating Hillary, can't stand her, was he to you just the best of a lot of bad options, or someone you really thought was going to go out there and try and improve things for other people? Im just trying to get into the head space because I don't get the appeal.

A little bit of best option out of nothing but bad choices, but I do genuinely think he can do more good than any president (or choice) we've had in a very long time. I do appreciate a lot of what he's passed, although I am skeptical of a few of his choices/possible future choices.

I support the temporary ban on immigration, the wall, opting out of the TPP, bringing jobs back to the US, etc.

But if he allows this bill to pass then I am completely and utterly done supporting him.

Ok, well I pretty much disagree with everything that he's done and think he has no actual plan to bring jobs back to this country in any meaningful way, I don't think there's anyone who's anti Americans having good jobs though.

But yeah he's probably going to sign this so I'm glad to have you on board the anti trump movement any way possible.

"thats what I get for being a racist" (lol, wut?),

If you look at Donald Trump and see a competent leader, you're a racist and an alpha-male-icon worshipping sexist.

Prejudice isn't just negative, where you see other people as bad. It's also got a delusional construction aspect, where you see people as being things that they are not, because your head is so full of false projections of their superiority, ideals and abilities. Trump clearly possesses none of those, and anyone who saw/sees him as remotely fit for office of president, is clearly projecting prejudicially favorable fictions out of their imaginations onto him.

You don't have to like the guy, but we should all be working together to shape him into a good president.

That's terrifying. You fucking vote for a person who is qualified enough to be a good president, not vote for a dumb ass and try to change him like he's a shithead boyfriend.

Poor word choice. I stated in another comment that no one is perfect when they get into office. But its important to push for bills and make sure he knows exactly what we want and appeals to everyone.

I'm working hard to shape him into not being president. Russian puppet needs to go.

Well, you do what you feel is necessary.

Thanks, bud. You too.

Lol, do you really think there's any chance he vetoes it?

no, but I secretly hope he does to punish the GOP congressional reps for not voting in his wealth care bill. I would LAUGH. but for reals though no way in hell.

As a guy from the UK who has not got much stake in this. I dislike trump if he vetoed this i might gain a little bit of respect for the bloke.

As a guy from the US, you would still have more respect for him than I would.

Must really sting that hes your president, huh?

So you think we can't criticize the current leader? That sounds pretty fascist to me

I mean, there's a significant portion of our population who believe that anyone who doesn't worship Trump and Ayn Randian policies is a libtard cuck.

I dont recall saying that

Considering he's driving the country into the ground and is objectively the worst president we have ever had, yes, it kind of does.

Sucks for you

Yes. Yes it does.

Fortunately they have antibiotics for chlamydia...not our president.

We're currently in a race with you guys to see whose government is the worst. It's going to be an absolute photo-finish.

At Theresa May isn't an idiot like Trump seems to be, I think Brexit will be bad for the UK but nowhere near the shitshow America is gonna be for the next 4 years

Wealth care bill

Ryan Care

Well another situation where Trump is screwed no matter what he does..

As the president he could have made his own bill like he said he was but since he knows absolutely nothing and is way over his head he didn't and now him and Ryan are blaming each other. They are both morons

The President does not create Health Care plans and bills.. that's just ridiculous.

If you want to blame Trump for trusting Paul Ryan and his appointed Tom Price than fine.. just part of the Art of the Deal

Oh so obama had nothing to do with the ACA. He shouldn't get blamed for anything I guess since the president doesn't do anything apparently

I'm not sure you want to take credit for the ACA.. but no, I bet he had his people tell their people to put some bill together to fck the middle class into submission. It would have worked too if Trump hadn't of won. The end game to get single payer Health Care after ACA inevitably failed.

I agree but my point is the president does have a say and can play a big role in what's put in front of them. Trump is just incompetent and knows absolutely nothing. He has no idea what he is doing. The ACA is better than before but it still sucks and trump has done nothing to replace it or come up with a replacement. He just hung Ryan out to dry(deservingly) and seems to have no intention on making actual pocily just cutting taxes and programs that make him more money

Why do you think he hung Ryan out to dry? Not sure you give ole man Trumo enough credit.. you'd have to know a lil bit of something to become President of the United States.

How to manipulate and con people into thinking you know what you're doing. I fully believe Trump is capable of that. He played on his supporter's emotions and fears. He continuously lied about crime rates, terrorism, and how fragile the current health care and economic situations were. They fell for it.

The world isn't that simple friend. The tectonic plates of time are shifting and something's bout to give.. You don't feel it?

No I really don't. The world is safer, more well fed, and better off than it has ever been before. Americans don't think so because the rest of the world is catching up to us because we grew complacent. We stopped investing in anything long term and became short sighted. Anything that didn't give us immediate satisfaction or results, we ignored. Other nations didn't succumb to this and now they are catching up to us. But to Americans, it looks like we are deteriorating when a better description would be that we are stagnant.

The US can't survive without being first. And the rest of the world is falling apart. Sure, China is acting like its powerful now but I'm not worried about them really. Once the Euro loses, once the dollar bankrupts or if Saudi Arabia ever decides to stop using the dollar for oil then It won't be pretty.

Technology and Terrorism. Call me crazy, something worse than 9/11 will happen in during a Trump presidency in the world. But I keep getting reminded that it's just something we have to live with these days and talking about it racist and religion-phobic.

There are already a ton of meaningful measures where we are not number one. Perhaps it isn't so crazy to look at what those countries are doing and learn from them. Problem is, too many Americans have it so ingrained in their psyche that we are exceptional and automatically the best, that we refuse to learn from others or try to improve. These people think we already won and the rest of the world should just accept it.

The next great disaster won't be stopped by our military. Its going to be an economic or social disaster of our own doing.

'Of our own doing'

Cause and react. 8 years of ultra-liberalism and social justice has gotten us to today.. Social Disaster will most certainly involve the Left and their tolerance against conservatives and their stubbornness.

Economic. What do you think happens when you borrow an insane amount of money and double the debt in only 8 years?

The US military still reigns most powerful and you see why they spend so much of our GDP on military spending to keep it that way. Unless we as Americans think it would be another great idea to let China and Russia lead militarily as well. It would save us enough money to pay for more welfare and maybe another intelligence agency to staff.

You realize you are part of the problem right? We don't have ultra liberalism. Obama and the Democratic leadership are moderates. If they were "ultra liberals", we wouldn't have the ACA, we'd have single payer. When it comes to gay marriage and similar issues, that was the simply Democrats saying people should stay out of other people's business, which is something I figured all Republicans could get behind. Also, it was the Supreme Court that approved that.

As for economic issues, keep acting like the debt wasn't a thing before or since Obama. The money he spent helped us create jobs and dig us out of a deep recession. The private sector sure wasn't going to.

We spend more on defense than Russia, China, UK, France, Germany, India and Saudi Arabia combined. I'm not worried one bit by them surpassing us militarily. China is more concerned about surpassing us technologically and economically and Russia is focusing on espionage and cyber warfare. Congress keeps buying tanks though, because they will save us.

The ACA wasn't perfect, partially because of how conservative it became IMO, but it was leagues better than the previous system. It should be repealed at some point but with something substantive. Now... why would Trump have claimed to repeal Obamacare day 1 if he was planning to take down Ryan?

You can't repeal Obamacare day 1. It's not that easy, and next to impossible to get any substantive change without any Democrat help. I'm not sure if you're new, but politicians say a lot of things in their campaigns.

Trump was conceivably putting Paul Ryan in his place and showing him that we need to listen to the American public and Conservatives to get things done in the future. Polished politician? Not even close and still learning obviously.. but setting up the pieces for legislative processes down the road.

They didnt need any democrat help for the AHCA to pass.

Keep fucking that chicken

How does that kool aid taste?

Delicious. Yours?

Is Trump finished now? I need your professional advice..

HahahahahahahahahahahahHahahah the art of the deal Holy shit kid get an education.

Read a book.

Art of the Deal

These are two mutually exclusive statements.

You realize Trump didn't write that?

Who actually writes their own books anymore?

10-20% ?

Most people who don't usually don't claim they did you fucking moron.

And yes, most people write their own books.

Got it. Who cares who wrote it?

Ghost written.

You do know he didn't actually write that right?

What are you robots saying the same talking points?

Are you literally so paranoid you think I'm a fucking robot? It's a simple fucking fact that Trump did not write that book. Just holy fuck how deep does this delusion go?

If not literally, then substantially you all have the same robotic talking points of division. The Left is Evil

See what you're doing? When facts are pointed out you simply attack the messenger. God damn it man wake the fuck up!

The fact he didn't write his Art of the Deal?

What significance does that lend me in life? Other than a nice talking point I could bring up to my liberal friends..

It's just an objective fact that clearly you were ignorant of. Keep getting your "truth" from infowars and Breitbart. God damn you people are so ignorant it's disgusting and sad at the same time.

It doesn't make a difference if he wrote the damn book. The book is about Trump.

What point were you trying to make by telling me Trump didn't write the book? And why is it important?

I doubt you will actually read this but maybe, just maybe this can get through to you.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all/amp

I know it's incredibly hard to break through the cult of ignorance and authoritarianism that makes up the Trump crowd but here's your chance to free yourself.

That's alright. Thanks though for your kind words

Cult of the Left is much worse

Read the article. Just fucking read the article.

Read the fucking article.

You're an idiot. This is why you're poor :D

Removed. Rule 10.

Yea, except, you know, the current health care bill.

And Trumpcare. The dude was gung-ho about the bill all the way until it was pulled, then it was everyone else's fault it failed.

Why do you think it took 17 days from start to finish? Obamacare took like 100. Ryan Care is now dead or in a better place for compromise.. it was a terrible Health Care plan and whoever came up with the Language to it is now on the chopping block.

I'd say 5d chess again, but I know that upsets the weak minded

Why do you think it took 17 days from start to finish? Obamacare took like 100.

Probably because Donald thought he could strong-arm the party into voting for the bill without ever addressing the problems because he's not overly concerned with the details of his own bill.

Ryan Care is now dead or in a better place for compromise.. it was a terrible Health Care plan and whoever came up with the Language to it is now on the chopping block.

You're right, Donald and Ryan should suffer some consequence for crafting such a terrible bill.

I'd say 5d chess again, but I know that upsets the weak minded

Oh no don't upset all the weak minded with your strong minded catchphrase!

Silly simpleton. Don't even know about the 37th dimensional robo-othello our dear leader is playing. Sad!

Occam's Razor. No reason to claim he's a genius who's always 32 steps ahead when the much simpler explanation is incompetence. And gosh, insulting everyone who disagrees woth you will surely change their minds!

I did insult him. Anybody who is weak minded.. if you feel insulted, then that's your own problem

Visit r/conspiracy much? Or are you just here to brigade?

Do you guys even know what brigading is anymore?

I do actually. Mostly lurk. Don't condone branding opposing views as from weak minded individuals to guard my precious and gasp potentially flawed world views though

Looks like you mostly lurk on r\politics and EnoughTrumpSpam though so.. You kind of lose all credibility of truth when you visit and believe what the Reddit Left is spoon feeding you. Gasp

Because the bill was 1/100 of the size it should've been, and was an absolutely fucking failure of a bill.

Damn dude, I almost feel sorry for you.

Seriously, it's like trying to watch an amputee climb a ladder and not being allowed to help them.

Ohlook, another r\politics zombie... Did you get distracted by another anti-Trump post on r/all?

Well done ..

Says the chronic r/The_Donald and r/conspiracy poster. Seriously, how the fuck do you guys not see the god damn problem with Trump yet? This is beyond fucking absurd.

What's the problem Yay? Let me walk you off the ledge.. The main problems I see are coming from Establsihment Left and the dumbed down populace

Someone please help this man

Wow another r\politics hack .. Where the fck are all of fcks coming from? Lol

The USA

The only difference being, I actually enjoy the subreddit r/conspiracy

You hit the front page and now the light is being shined on you. And as cockroaches often do, you people are scrambling to run and hide from the light of common sense and logic. It's actually pretty sad.

Your masters made sure of that. It's sad when a site built on free speech had to be algorithm'd to death so the Left could have another safe space. I am sad for a lot of the people who have no clue to what's coming.

It's sad you can't understand that you crazy people are in the minority (especially on this site) and cry victim 24/7 because your ego can't handle that fact.

And please do enlighten me, what is coming that we don't know about? Is it losing health care, defunding the EPA, building a useless wall, creating a bubble in the market, stopping climate change research, tax breaks for the rich, tax breaks for corporations that pay minimum wage to their employees, less regulation on banks and oil companies? Because I fucking know that's coming and/or has been done already. How the fuck can you not comprehend what's happening!?? Get your shit together.

You'll see, I don't even really know. It's not going to be any of the stuff you're worried about. Its going to shift the world. There are some messed up people pullings the global strings and if you ask me, we are moving towards a breaking point.

I'll wait for my minority victim status to kick in.. Hopefully the suffering won't last very long.

The people who don't have their shyt together.. watch Netflix, watch CNN and the alphabet networks, watch any television, use their phone too much.. it's all propaganda and meant to control people

Ah ok so you're literally insane and waiting on an imaginary event to happen to vindicate you for supporting this incompetent president. Got it.

It's happening everyday. Look around. We're living in a god damn shyt-show and have been for the last decade.

Protests in the streets. Murders. Wars. New Wars. Russia Hysteria. Europe. Nationalism vs Globalism.

Get back to LaLa Land Reddit Left . Where it's much more comfortable for you..

Hahah you're the one living in a delusional state. The world is safer now that it has been in almost all of human history. You're being spoon fed fear and hate from extreme right wing groups who want to use that to control you. Fear, hate and religion are the tools of the Republican Party and they have clearly worked on you.

You've been spoon fed Bullshyt as well. That is if you're getting information from MainStream News and you strike me as the type to do that. More people, More Crimes, More people moving to the already highly populated cities to do more crime. Water will run out. Not enough jobs (robots/open border).

Race, Gender, Russia, Abortions, Religion to the State of Free Shyt.. identity politics of the Regressive Left

You do realize rates of crime are not effected by population size right? This is just dumb. Religion and abortion are far right issues used to rope in idiots. Russia interfered with our election (as confirmed by every intelligence agency) and the president and his advisors are now under investigation from the FBI so that really isn't a partisan issue. Race issues are a concern to some people in this county just as gender issues/gay marriage is an issue for others. Just because republicans want to say "fuck you all I got mine" doesn't mean we should let them do that.

So selling your internet history, taking away health care for millions, defunding the EPA, hindering climate change research, giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich and stocking your cabinet with Goldman Sachs is something you don't care about or see as a problem? They used you ignorant religious fundamentalists to further their agenda and you idiots deep throated that shit.

So selling your internet history. It was already being sold.

taking away health care for millions. Obamacare is still here for now, calm down.

defunding the EPA. Overburdensome Government is too big. Cuts need to be made and will make companies more profitable.

hindering climate change research. Maybe. But so was Obama because nobody was researching the real answers that need to be addressed. Convince Americans to care

giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich and stocking your cabinet with Goldman Sachs. Conservatives like to make money and Democrats like to spend it. Trump is filling his cabinet similar to any other president and will judge them individually as they make decisions. Do people really think everyone at Goldman Sachs is a terrible person and is trying to take away your rights?

They used you ignorant religious fundamentalists to further their agenda and you idiots deep throated that shit.

America Fundamentalist here. Christian background but I don't really know at the moment. What do you believe in? Communism?

Welp this was an insanely ignorant comment. How the fuck do you not see the benefit of the EPA? How do you possibly think Obama hindered climate change research? This is just God damn absurd.

And no I'm not a communist I'm a atheist, economic socialist who is basically libertarian on social issues. So fucking what?

The EPA isn't disappearing. Government needs to be scaled back libertarian.. Obama didn't convince enough people it was a serious issue worth throwing trillions of dollars at. All while doubling the debt and getting us in more war.

And Venezuela took on your economic socialism. I can't think of any nations that have succeeded in implementing economic socialism because it kills competition and quality. Every time. If only the Left and Right would act like they don't have all the answers and start working together.. Civil War and protesting are a lot more entertaining though

I will not stand idly by as republicans destroy this country.

Likewise. You don't double the debt in 8 years without any consequences. Follow the laws already in the books and love America and its citizens..

This comment makes literally no sense. I think you're having a stroke.

Cool, another personal attack so you don't have to address the content..

I don't know how to respond to a sentence that literally makes no sense.

Do your best. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about.

No. I literally don't understand your sentence.

You don't know who doubled the debt in 8 years?

Nobody is following immigration laws anymore. That's a problem.. Drugs, sex, pedophilia, stupid people

So you're blaming Obama for drugs, sex, pedophilia and stupid people? Come on man that's just absurd.

Also what the fuck is wrong with sex? Just fucking lol.

Fucking mindless cocks and sexualized women and girls.. Breaking up the family and causing division.

Rofl so you're just angry you can't get any huh? Makes a lot of sense really. Most of you trumpers are just sexually frustrated neckbeards.

You haven't called me a cuck yet, that's gotta be a couple Trump-cock slurps as a fine, surely.

Wow another r\politics hack .. Where the fck are all of these fcks coming from? Lol

Reality.

Who'd you vote for?

Completely irrelevant. The man you support is trying to take away health care for millions and is destroying all data related to climate change. It's a big fucking problem and you people need to wake the fuck up.

Pussy

Well i guess you know a thing or two about weak mindedness

Ohello.. Who did you vote for president?

Johnson in order to edge the libertarian party closer to the votes needed to acquire federal funding with the aim of increasing their prominence and fracturing the republican voter base. Didn't like Clinton, hated Trump, knew Clinton would take my state anyway and didn't need my vote.

So where are you going with your question?

I may not agree with you politically (I'm not a libertarian). But I think we both agree on one thing: Fuck Trump and his idiotic cult of supporters. This cult of ignorance is out of hand and it's a major problem.

The Reddit Left

You're in a fucking cult!

You've been living in a cult.. You made Donald Trump. Remember that. The people hate Obama and what he's done to America.. The people voted him and his Democratic buddies out of Office because Socialism and unlawfulness does not belong. Bush too, just so you don't think I'm a Republican shill.

Sorry the hillbillies have to deal with civilization.

Yay

It's sad so many of you yokels can't identify a conman selling snake oil.

El Papichon Trump

Too bad the alternative was literally the worst candidate to ever run for president thrice lol

I disliked Hillary as well. But just because you dislike one option doesn't mean the other is a good option. Trump is a conman and you people have been played.

You take what you can get. There are plenty of people I'd rather have as president.. blame the game and the Democratic Left who drove people into a corner. The Left stands up for whoever is currently claiming victim status to garner the sympathy vote and virtue signaling. They could care less about your personally.. And those hillbillies are catching on to the fake news and fake politicians before the college educated snobs.

Holy shit ok so you've been brainwashed.

Not an argument.

Lol ok so you're saying I'm a bot now? You people are so fucking delusional it's amazing.

Also since you keep avoiding my other comment that started all this how about you do a little reading:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all/amp

It's funny how any time this is brought up you run away.

When you say "the people," what you really mean is "me and the people I listen to."

Your rhetoric is almost as bad as your president.

Why did the Democratic Party lose some 1000 seats during the 8 years of Obama and specifically after a terrible Obamacare roll out ?

The map is red. Sorry I scared you with rhetoric again

I'm not a libertarian either, I just hate the Republican party's policies and approach to politics, and I had the notion that a libertariam vote would be more damaging than a Democrat vote.

Also, let's note that the useless goon I replied to didn't bother to follow up. He just wanted to derail the conversation by moving it in a personal direction.

Yeah he's been spam messaging me. He's completely off the deep end.

Oh how well thought out an educated you are! Fucking sad.

Who'd you vote for pussy? Lol

Clearly it doesn't matter and that's my damn point.

Of course it matters. Obviously, we are all still in election mode and validating old suspicions.

Whenever these type of brigaded anti-Trump posts makes r/all.. r/conspiracy all of sudden turns in r\politics2.0 and would like to know who I'm wasting my time arguing with.

You're being exposed to a group outside of your hillbilly bubble and it triggers you.

Cute. The problem is you're being exposed as well

See what happens when you're exposed? You just turn around "nuh uh! You are!" I wish there was some way to help you but I think you may be too far gone.

This is a worthless comment. If you continue making comments like this you'll be banned.

I'd say 5d chess again, but I know that upsets the weak minded

this is some poe's law shit

5d chess shit is like when my Christian parents try to explain why God is shitty. He's not shitty just mysterious.

Hahaha you want it to be RyanCare but everybody knows it as TrumpCare. Scientologists have more independent thought than you guys do.

Trump knows nothing about Health Care lol, kidding me? He knows nothing about the Republican House I guess too. Paul Ryan, and Tom Price health secretary.

It's almost like Trump is a liability regardless of his intentions.

Typo or not - that is gold

Trump doing something out of spite and revenge sounds more realistic than doing something for the good of the people, so I think you may be on to something.

This is just another part of the "complete mess" he inherited from Obama... And he will sign the bill with a smile because it will undo another law passed during the previous 8 years.

I'm sure this will be spun as if it is ending some job killing regulations.

Something something "...an end to Big Government sticking it to private citizens and businesses just trying to work hard."

"Just think of all the jobs we'll be creating for working class folk to sift through all your collected porn search terms!"

"Mr. President, in all likelihood that will probably just be done by an algor-"

"THE JOBS!!" [waves West Virginian coal miner in front of cameras]

If everyone just mass tweeted him and everyone in his cabinet to veto it he is bound to read at least one of them

I hate him. But I'll support him if he vetoes it.

This is not good for anyone.

ISP shareholders and CEO's.

In the short-term, maybe. In the long term, this will have a chilling effect on the Internet. It likely already will, just due to ISPs not standing against this.

2018: Oh, so you mean it's NOT a random coincidence that the two most popular search terms this year were "Oh, nothing..." and "Everything is fine, happy thoughts, HAPPY THOUGHTS!"

And all digital advertisers just got a new valuable product

S/he said they are a trump supporter - so thinking is out the window.

Refer to it as IT you cis privilaged freak/s

He is not going to veto it and he shouldn't.

The point is to take power away from the FCC and give it to the FTC. This is to ensure FCC censorship powers are never an issue with the net.

They are undoing what Tom Wheeler did under Obama during the net neutrality scare.

Unlike the FCC, FTC don't/can't censor shit.

The framework they were building to push the PC culture narrative for more control and censorship under the guise of net neutrality is dismantled.

Next step is to get back control of Internet that Obama gave the UN.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/324520-fcc-ftc-are-playing-a-shell-game-with-online-privacy

There is no legal leg for the FCC rule to stand. This rule will be repealed and then they will create an actual legislative bill to stop selling our data.

The part I don't understand is how does the selling of our information factor into this?

Federal Trade Commission

Did you even read that article? The whole thing talks about how moving to the FTC would be bad because the FCC is who has the consumer privacy protections in place.

He's clearly incapable of reading or rational thought

Or maybe he just disagrees with the article?

Then why would he link it to try and support his point? Unless he's just talking shit.

The FCC are a bunch of goons, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

And the FTC are the good guys?

Are you kidding?

Yea they want to get rid of fat people, make the world a better place

Damn dude. Are you stalking me now?

See you next time.

Never said that, I'm actually against ANY entity deciding what happens with the Internet. We already have monopoly laws, those are what should be enforced. If an ISP sells your data, switch to a different ISP.

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he haven't even passed anything yet? those a lot of jobs created were from Obama era, he's just taking credit for it.. most of the things that happened were decided in 2015..

"Thank you for clearing this up.

Everybody who hates trump become it's easy are just echo chambers of the "news" notifications sent to their mind numbing iPhone. Anyone saying they actually care should do some research on the situation at hand before trump was in office. He seems to be making a positive difference...

Creating 227,000 jobs last month

Decreasing debt by $68,000,000,000

Illegal border crossing down %40

I could go on about all the bull shit "CLIMATE REGULATIONS" That apparently just kind of make a lot of money for a small few....

Trump knows we can do better than what we have.

He needs to wake America up on the whole "nwo" shit if that's what we want to refer to it as.

Why are we all in r/conspiracy ?

For truth? Or just to conspire?"

I accidentally deleted my comment so I'll just leave it here ...

Alrighty... you're sure about that? Final answer?

I can't tell what part of the guy's post you are actually responding to. It's almost like it's copy-pasted from Google translate and is just a bunch of made up numbers. Fine morning in mother Russia, comrade?

lol wut? his comment seemed coherent enough to me...

Did this guy just pull that "Russia" bs on me? ;(

Shill much bruh?

Uh, my comment's right there "bruh," why don't you just ask me directly you fuckin cunt?

Fuck outta here with that made up shit.

who the fuck are you responding to, "bruh"? check yo self, before you wreck yoself....aka YOU ARE retarded, and if you're a shill...i would recommend to your bosses you don't get paid anymore BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T FUCKING READ WHO YOU RESPONDED TO, MOTHERFUCKER!

In English?

What are you gibbering about?

From the article you linked which I guess you didn't read

Nobody should fall for this privacy shell game. The FCC’s broadband privacy rules are currently the best protection consumers have for their personal information online. They would make a fine template for rules governing edge provider practices. Any weakening of the rules by either the Trump FCC or Congress will leave consumers unprotected from ISP data collection, use and security practices that might violate their privacy. That is certainly not the result the American people want or that policymakers should support.

Trump is not playing 4d Chess, he's selling out to the ISPs

Isnt he arguing the ftc can make another pass at net-N, censorship and other shit in the future and this prevents that?

No I think he geniuly believes that Trump is some master tactician and everything Trump does he has to twist into some 4d chess move by Trump so he doesn't have to deal with the fact that Trump doesn't give a fuck about him or anyone who voted for him.

It's that how Trump supporters are spinning it now?

Jesus Christ, who comes up with this bullshit?

More importantly, who buys this bullshit?

Are you fucking kidding me? You can't possibly believe that line of bullshit. That's like saying they need to repeal the child labor laws to take power away from the corrupt Department of Labor because they fully well plan to give those labor laws to a different department that is better suited to deal with this issue...at a later date, of course. You have to be fucking joking. Your post has to be parody. There's no possible way you believe this line of horse shit unless you're too mentally handicapped to put together complete sentences and your caregiver typed your post up out of 45 minutes worth of rambling nonsense. That's the only other option.

What planet are you from? You're talking about a bunch of schmoes who devalued public land in order to sell it off easier, with better profitability for their buddies. Goons whose approach to healthcare is "Fuck you, poors."

In what conceivable reality are those assholes planning to pass legislation that stops private companies from making money by selling your information?!

Get a grip.

What do you think about him saying -- in the press conference after the health care repeal died -- that he never claimed that he would try to repeal Obamacare?

Wtf he never said that

He said he wouldn't do it in 64 days. He did say he would do it on day one though.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-statement-repeal-replace-236482

Bingo. :)

And got those who prefer The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/24/its-true-trump-didnt-pledge-obamacare-repeal-in-64-days-he-pledged-it-in-one/

LMAO who would possibly prefer that doo rag that passes off as a media site?

I'm still not convinced that one day we won't be doing and interview, look the journalist straight in the eye, and say, "I was never president."

Very misleading. Be ashamed

Get your facts straight, the reality is bad enough. He claimed he never said he would repeal it quickly, which was also a lie.

I watched the press conference when it was live. I don't know how to get the facts more straight from the horse's mouth. Anything further would be douchey speculation, which you're fulfilling here quite inappropriately.

It's your right to interpret his words that way, but it seems pretty clear to me in the video that he interrupts himself like he usually does and the point he's making is that he didn't say he would repeal and replace it within 64 days.

When we offer the worst possible interpretation of his meaning, we open ourselves up to dismissal by the people we want to convince. It's better to not give them that option. The strongest criticism is the least deniable, and yours was easy to look past even for someone opposed to Trump.

I don't know what my age has to do with anything, but I'm 28.

I mean, he did say he would replace it on day 1.

Yes, he lied about what he promised, so there's no need to weaken the criticism by exaggerating.

I interpreted that statement as him doing his usual partial-sentence-then-interrupted-thought-and-bounce-around way of speaking. Like this:

“I never said repeal and replace Obamacare--you've all heard my speeches--I never said, repeal it and replace it within 64 days.”

The sentence, without his interrupted thought, would be, "I never said repeal and replace Obamacare -- [that is,] I never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days."

Do you see how that can be interpreted in slightly different ways? He's a horrible speaker when he talks off-the-cuff, and he often does this thing where he repeats the same thing multiple times but adds slightly more context to his meaning. Then, if you take one snippet out and ignore the rest, it's possible to come to a conclusion that doesn't mean quite what he was trying to say.

It's really bad because his words can so often be misinterpreted like this (apart from when he's just flat-out wrong anyway) because of his stylistic approach to speech.

yeah he said he'd do it day 1 in office lol

He said that he would do it on day one. Forgot this "I never said I'd do it by day 64" shenanigans, he said he would repeal it and replace it immediately, possibly within hours of each other.

That's exactly my point. He clearly is lying about that so there's no need to muddy the waters with a question of whether he's denying promising to repeal it at all.

...Jesus Christ, did you not know he was like them yet?

VETO it? He hasn't even MENTIONED it.

What has he done (hint: not SAID) that made you think he might be different?

You should gather up your trumpster buddies and have them all tweet at trump to veto the bill. Trump loves twitter..

I'm a mild trump supporter as well if he doesn't pass it I'll be pissed as well that dam son of a bitch.

If he doesn't pass the bill that ends internet privacy, you'll be pissed?

Yeah I'll be pissed we need our privacy.

I think you have it backwards then. You'll be pissed if he does pass it.

No I'll be pissed if he doesn't veto it and pissed if he supports it.

Yeah I know that's what you originally meant, but it's the opposite of what you said.

This is what I probably unfairly think of Trump supporters. Angry and frustrated, but not paying enough attention to know which thing they're angry about.

Oh well. I don't care if you're pissed. I hope this passes and I hope trump is everything you never wanted in a president.

With all due respect, what were you expecting? There was never any chance that Trump would oppose a bill like this.

I'm a mild trump supporter

aka a sucker.

Or maybe I only somewhat support him because I only agree with some of his views. Those views in which he isn't holding himself up to right now. I don't get how that makes me "retarded" or "a sucker". This sub is bad on both sides. I'm getting insulted for just simply supporting some views from a certain party. You guys can talk about how bad trump supporters are but here you are doing the same shit they do.

I hate Trump but god damn people but that dude was being a dick to you. can't people just disagree without making petty comments?

He won't, trump is a fucking scumbag and could care less what's good for you or for the people of the world. Fuck him.

Couldn't care less*. Could care less = do care some

Fixed.

He is going to sign it.

he's like every other politician.

nah he's unlike every other politician. those at least know how not to look like a fucking idiot in every single possible situation. trump is unique in this regard. he manages to look like an illiterate buffoon in even very trivial and easy situations. gotta give credit where it's due.

Yup, he's doing a politician wildest dream, he's showing his true colors on camera and he fucking won the presidency.

I think he is simply incapable of not being an illiterate buffoon. that's hardly the dream of politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEjF1uhYo

It seems like at a young age, he was aware he NEEDS to be a buffoon in order to get the vote of the people.

The whole interview is pretty interesting, he seems so different, it really puts things in perspective, he's playing a character for all America to enjoy/mock off, while he does his work in the backyard.

It sucks because I don't think the things he's working on are the best for the people of the US, but it seems people are eating the Trump character everyday for breakfast.

Nah he doesn't do his work in the backyard. This administration is the most unprofessional, vile, scandalous, incompetent and chaotic we've ever seen. Trump can't go on for a week to not contradict himself or say something mind numbingly stupid that not only is laughable, but undermines his own and his administartions popularity and credibility. He achieves absolutely nothing that's good for him with these things. You have to face the truth that a wise or strategic person doesn't say retarded shit that upsets everybody even his own fanbase and has absolutely zero strategic value- trump does this every day.

He might have had some kind of strategy like that in real estate businessbut it's pretty clear that he is just a demented idiot by now, and he wasn't very smart to begin with (much smarter than he is now that's for sure). You need to stop deluding yourself that this bambling buffoon is a bambling buffoon because he wants to be but secretly he is a genius. People eat him for breakfast for a reason, he has the most serious job in the world yet has the knowledge and vocabulary of a 7 year old. Never in his life has he uttered anything that is even remotely impressive, and in his older days he is straight up dumb and cringeworthy.

Never in his life has he uttered anything that is even remotely impressive, and in his older days he is straight up dumb and cringeworthy.

Holy shit, not to sound like a dick but it sounds an awful lot like envy.

He's definitely done impressive things, to say he doesn't it just bitter and uninformed.

Nah he doesn't do his work in the backyard.

Just a heads up, your little "Nah he doesn't" also sounds like a kid that is bitter man.

I'm not gonna pretend I know better than anyone else here, we all know the same things and for all I know he's giving the people a character to hate on.

There's no possible way to actually know what is really happening, acting like we do only makes us dumber than Trump's character lol.

Holy shit, not to sound like a dick but it sounds an awful lot like envy. He's definitely done impressive things, to say he doesn't it just bitter and uninformed.

what the fuck are you even talking about? I said uttered. not did. and stating somebody is dumb is a sign of envy? at least try to be appear little sensible, man.

Just a heads up, your little "Nah he doesn't" also sounds like a kid that is bitter man.

again, what the fuck are you talking about?

he's giving the sane people a character to hate on. he's been doing it for decades. the dumb and the vile love him, there are enough of them to get him elected. so which one are you?

If there's something I hate is people that act dumb instead of accepting they sounded a certain way.

If you fail to understand that your whole comment sounds bitter then I can't help you, because it does.

he's giving the sane people a character to hate on. he's been doing it for decades.

I'm glad you agree that it's a character, that's the point I was making while you thought he was like that IRL.

Multiple people have said he's nothing like his public persona.

You'd be surprised. Trump is quite smart, otherwise he would never have gotten this far. Listen to some of his speeches, he picks the words he uses very carefully. He also seems to be very aware of all the lies he is telling, but it doesn't matter to him, because they get the job done.

I really don't like Trump and realizing he isn't an idiot made me like him a lot less. I fear he tells so many lies to make the media look less credible.

Nope. All the Democrat politicians voted against this, can't say they are all the same.

Prepare to be pissed as fuck. I just hope you're not surprised (you shouldn't be).

Every other politician? You mean like all the Democrats who voted against it and put the rule in place?

So am I, my friend. But /u/EnoughLeftistBS is right, because I'm sure plenty of people are going to do exactly that.

What has he done to make you think he is capable of being better than "every other politician"?

nice username

I'm mildly retarded myself.

What do you like about him?

I really don't get it. For what reason is there any hope in your mind that he is going to veto it? If you have paid attention you would have seen that he has filed every cabnet position with slimy corporate assholes. He has rolled back rules that stop the corporations from taking advantage of the middle and lower class. I am not saying that he signed things into law. He went out of his way to sign executive orders to explicitly give the rich more money.

Why do you think he will veto it?

*when

"Mild Trump Supporter" wtf does that mean, are your political leanings like hot sauce?

Plenty of other politicians voted no on this one.

Let me get this straight.

You didn't care about the environment, minorities, paying more taxes for a useless wall, a shitty health care system. You didn't care about all the evidence mounting up over trump/russia connections. You didn't care that your president is making your country an international embarrassment.

But when someone tries to mess with your internet THAT is what gets you to wake up and realize he's a conman?

At least it's nice to know that everyone has their price. Being a racist bigot only earns you so many brownie points. Lesson learned for trump.

For what it is worth, and I would be shocked if this actually reached you in any way, Obama would have vetoed this bill and the Democrats wouldn't have passed it in the first place. Both parties have flaws, but both are not the same.

Tagged as "functionally retarded".

This bill has nothing to do with the swamp. Trump hates federal regulations, almost all of them. He wants things regulated on a state and local level. This isn't new ideology.

This is what it will take to convince you that he is like every other politician!? Nothing before this did it for ya? Please don't breed.

Lol how stupid are you?

Trump has never suggested he was pro-privacy.
You are just spreading FUD to say you thought he was.

I highly doubt he'll veto it. I mean, the guy appointed #1 cunt of the USA, Ajit Pai...

I'm with you, this will prove a lot.

White House came out in support of it. Are you pissed as fuck, /u/wormpetrichor ?

you're thinking of the obama/hillary supporter ; the better question: why did rand paul co-sponsor it ?

Rand is a Libertarian, any and all government regulation is tyranny. Its the fatal flaw of the ideology. Shifting power from big government to big business is worse for virtually everyone. The logical conclusion of that line of thought is corporate feudalism, at best. Somolia at worst.

It doesn't move power to corporations, it moves power to consumers. If we know which ISPs do 'bad things' we know to not give them money. In a free market we'd have better competition instead of this government granted monopolies that we have going on.

What powers does a consumer gold, if he has a choice between 3 ISPs who all do it? Many regulations are there for a reason, otherwise monopolies or oligopolies take over everything and just do what they want.

It doesn't work that way. Saying that consumers have power here is like saying that cows run ranches. Free markets only exist if all sides have equal risk, benefits and power. The ISP selling your info in no way benefits the consumer. If I don't like my ISP, i'm SOL, I have no alternative provider. Businesses competing is bad for business instead they form cartels. Antitrust regulations aren't enforced.

This is not what's at stake, and it's moving the goalposts. What was decided here was whether your information was your private property, and they decided it wasn't. Full stop. None of this "regulations starve the free market" bullshit. Friend, the telecoms haven't had a free market in 50 years. They all collude and control everything. They were once all the same company. Nobody wins here except them.

It. Costs. 150 billion. To. Install. Internet. Infrastructure. Nobody in their right mind would say lemme go to a saturated market and compete with someone else. They all pick their turf. Verizon tried to encroach on TWC in NYC and their shareholders nearly lynched them. This isn't government granted monopolies but rather a cost prohibitive utility to install.

Uh, well, I mean, except for the fact that those fuckers all fought like hell to keep Fiber out of their monopolies. You know why Adam Smith hated monopolies? Hint: it's not because he hated government. It's because--regardless of how they're created--they are bad for most everyone but the monopoly owners.

i disagree. most power of government becomes tyranny in the end. the world would be a better place if more people ascribed to the libertarian mind set - no government should ever be blindly trusted by it's people otherwise we get zombie sheep like we see know who are all in for things they have no clue about.

All governments fail, everything has an end. The US is an empire now, empires exert more and more pressure on their citizens until something that can't be fixed fails then they fold up. The American version of Libertarianism isn't about not trusting your government its about getting rid of government itself. No public schools, utilities, prisons fire-stations, roads, healthcare, environmental regulation. All of that is done by PRIVATE companies. The owners of those corporations decide everything. People don't have any power other than to not do business with the overlords. If you aren't rich you aren't human.

I've done some research on this for a bit I'm a Trump supporter and have been following the "net neutrality/FCC shit for years. What this boils down to is the FCC has been trying for years to exert their control on the internet. The ultimate goal is to control content like they do for radio and TV. The internet has ushered in a Wild West/free market place of ideas that is beyond the control of "favored" media like the newspapers and "big three" tv channels of yesteryear in which the "correct" narrative can be cemented by the "elites". This new bill's goal is to null and void a borderline illegal power grab by the FCC in October of last year. There are numerous laws at the federal and state level (including wiretapping laws) that protects your privacy. Don't be sheep. Understand the end game to all of this.

Edit: here is a good article to start with; http://www.computerworld.com/article/2888366/the-fcc-s-orwellian-internet-policy.amp.html

It really is more than it looks. This is about controlling the FCC, not allowing Newegg to send you more junk email....

Has no one thought of why former President Obama did some of these things just before leaving?

This is not some game. These people play for keeps.

If you have not read the bill and considered both sides, you are a fool.

(I did not vote for Clinton or Trump, or Obama, or Bush, Or Clinton, or Bush....)

(edit, I wrote Sanders when I meant to write Trump) (I wrote in Sanders on my ballot, knowing he would not stand a chance.)

You know... we all shouldn't have to qualify our statements with prefacing our political stance like "as a trump/sanders supporter". The facts of the matter are pretty easy to understand if you look for 10 mins beyond the attention grabbing headline.

The internet was born, making anyone a journalist whose success is governed by the resonance of their ideas

The FCC did not foresee these happenings. They are in the business of controlling content consumed by citizens

The FCC over a span of a decade began using doublespeak names for bills and executive summaries that give people warm and fuzzies but in reality are legally ambiguous, not to mention unnecessary. Oh and they do it right as they are ousted from power

Free market idealistic conservatives are forced to repel cleverly titled FCC directives thereby triggering redditors seeking internet points without looking beyond the shocking headline and seeing the intended end game

The real question here is: How can you support anybody in us politics... It simply doesn't matter if you are conservative, liberal or what ever. In the end they are going to fuck you

I'm sure you've already made up your mind, but just so you know, not a single Democrat voted for this.

I know. I was talking about politics in general

Bullshit. I am a trump voter and I am willing to go to hell and back to get this shit thrown out.

Don´t worry Trump is heavily working on the hell thing

I never supported trump. But I am willing to let this pass just because you voted trump. Let it all burn

Yeah that makes sense. Jeopardize not only your's, but everyone else's privacy online because you are a spiteful prick.

Let's go

That's what you did by voting for Trump. I already did my part. Can you elaborate what you'll be doing when you described it as going to hell and back? More Reddit comments?

Well I have already made calls to my representatives and emailed them too. Which as you can see has been to no avail so at this point enlighten me on what more I can do.

So basically what you decide to do when you voted for Trump in the first place?

How so? I voted for Trump because he most represented my views out of the two candidates that were worth voting for. Maybe the DNC shouldn't have fucked Bernie.

Ex-Trump supporter here. I don't support Trump anymore but I do know many Trump supporters that strongly oppose his Saudi deals, his love for Goldman Sachs, billionaires and Wall Street, his climate change stance, his stances on privacy, and his unfounded claims.

If they oppose that much bullshit why would they support him?

Probably something to do with him "telling it like it is" and the "PC culture ruining this country."

Maybe dems should ease up on the pc stuff and start winning then

It's funny because conservatives are the ones constantly triggered and complaining about how they need safe spaces.

Yes, nobody criticizes conservatives anymore

Yeah... ok

Its true, right wingers are the whiniest SJWs there are.

They are offended that other people are offended when they speak offensively.

PC just means getting called out for being a dick

So stop calling people dicks? Lol

No, stop being and dick and doing so proudly.

Hm no i actually quite enjoy democrats out of office

Stop caring about being called a dick. "Fuck your feelings" remember?

no i much prefer violent leftists being voted out

Which violent leftists are currently in power?

None, they lost

"man I really support policies that disenfranchise minorities"

"hey stop doing that, it seems a bit racist and its bad for reasons x, y, and z"

"wow stop calling me a racist"

every time

Every fucking time, I'm starting to think it's just a law of reality for racists

you missed the part where the leftist turns violent

Poor you, must be so hard dealing with a daily onslaught of leftist violence. I don't know how you even managed to type that without being assaulted by a leftist.

its because hankfully the leftists were voted out of power. Without the leftist AG holder to defend organizations like BLM, liberal attacks have decreased significantly in the past few months

So then what the hell are you bitching about?

That there are still attacks...

I can tell you don't go outside very often.

Which is funny because most people who hate "pc culture" can't handle being called a dick.

This is too true. It's always funny watching people get upset over jokes about white people and shouting about racism. They're always the "anti-PC" types too. Anyone protesting or speaking out against some racist or sexist asshole is "attacking free speech." It's so fucking pathetic and hilariously hypocritical.

What PC stuff has the Democratic party done?

Yes, some feminists say stupid things about movies, but that doesn't mean "the left" is like that.

Yeah people need to realize that feminists DO NOT REPRESENT ALL LEFTISTS. I'm a humanist left center person, NOT a feminist. Just like you can have a conservative who is anti-globalism and one that is pro-globalism. Although ALL conservativism is bullshit to screw over workers. Except MAYBE the most moderate of conservatives but those types do NOT exist in America lol. America is shifted so far to the right that American "center right" is equivalent to far right in Europe economically if not also socially.

Didnt you sabotage bernie to run a candidate with a vaginer

it's funny because what Trump supporters call 'being PC' is really just not being a giant fucking asshole.

Arent lefties physically assaulting people on the streets? Seems assholish

Yeah left handed people are really violent

But theyre using their right hands to punch republicans

That makes no sense, why would you use you less dominant hand for that?

Affirmative hand action

now it all makes sense...those damn cultural marxists

nazis* but hey, if you wanna call them republicans you'll REALLY be pushing a liberal agenda now.

If they were nazis... wouldnt you be gassed by now

yeah totally! A+ analysis!

Its not an analysis ..

I'm just not gonna argue with you at all, you've been yelling straw mans in this thread all afternoon to avoid the fact that Trump's presidency has been ass ¯_(ツ)_/¯

whether its been ass or not isnt the issue... you are saying he is a nazi

The dems are compromized like the repubs. Both parties are right wing excluding a rare few exceptions like Bernie who is about centrist. Democrats are NEOlibs (very right wing pretending to be left wing) and republicans are NEOcons (extreme right wing pretending to be moderate right wing). The "PC culture" thing is bullshit. IMO it's manufactured to piss people off. I'm left center on the political spectrum and I don't like feminism (biased and compromized ideology, while humanism is much more balanced) and I don't buy the "WHITE PRIVELAGE" bullshit (I mean, technically it might exist but it's being overblown as if white people can't be poor.....the majority of Americans in poverty are white because the population is mostly white).

I think the alt right movement is the establishment buying itself more time because people are waking up to the fact that "left center to centrist" candidates like Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are the REAL anti-establishment candidates. Trump ran after Bernie ran. The alt right uses scapegoats such as "immigrants are the problem" (instead of blaming corporate jobs outsourcing AND WAR which facilitate immigration in ways that reduce wages for immigrants AND natives WORLDWIDE). Another scapegoat is the anti-PC bullshit. I understand that OVERLY PC stuff is bullshit but to jump to the other extreme end and be ANTI-PC is equally as bad. Most people are in the middle, they don't want to be rude and assuming/judgemental (anti-PC) but also don't want to make shit up just to further an agenda unknowingly (overly PC).

E.g. if there was a teerrr....orrr...ist.... incidence involving a muslim, the idiotic anti-PC thing to say would be "SEE IT'S DA MUZLIMS, THEY SAVAGES!!" but the OVERLY PC thing to say is "IT'S JUST THEIR CULTURE, DON'T HATE!!". Absolutely both are RETARDED statements. In fact, I'm not even sure overly PC idiots are THAT stupid, I think the ANTI-PC idiots just make the overly PC idiots look more foolish than they are. But both are stupid groups to be in. The NORMAL response would be: "Firstly, it's Wahhabism not NORMAL islam and certainly NOT the majority of normal muslims. Secondly, SAUDI ARABIA, an ally of the corrupt American government, is pushing for extreme Wahhabism in the middle east and funding terrr....or....ism.....along with the U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies and military industrial complex. Thirdly, most or all incidences on America/European soil are FALSE FLAGS so you should be so easily manipulated to fall for the divide and conquer tactics of hating all muslims and wanting more war in the middle east because your warmongering government says so." Do you see what I mean? You don't have to be in either extreme. It's like being feminist VS sexist. You can be somewhere in between like a humanist who acknowledges that sex differences exist so TRUE equality is not possible but relative equality is. Men and women are equal BUT NOT THE SAME. I'm a left center person and not one of those idiots who thought Clinton was a good candidate...LOL. I cringe at the shills/useful idiots who protested for Hillary after she lost. Screw her and the DNC, they rigged the primaries against Bernie using multiple dirty methods including diebold machine hacking. Bernie played fairly and got screwed over by the establishment.

"All that corruption stuff is cool, but I'll be damned if some fag wants to become a girl!"

Because Mexicans.

Mexicans and Muslims

they believe clinton is worse

Clinton isn't the president.

The choice was clinton or trump... unless youre saying they should elect trump to stop clinton then do everything to sandbag trump and grind the country to a halt?

Trump voters would do well to apply the reasoning of the sunk cost fallacy to this presidency. No need to throw good support after bad. We all make mistakes...

There is a difference between being a "trump supporter" and being somebody who grudgingly chose one over the other on election day. Calling oneself a trump supporter (to me at least) implies an active form of ongoing support and admiration.

Because emails

Because many of them are racist and cling to his message of white nationalism above all else.

they're easily led?

BUT_HILLARY

Because brown people scary and take jobs and lazy.

Because they were conned and people don't like to admit it when they've been fooled.

Because he did something very well that the other candidates did not.

He sold fear. He and his campaign promised a warm blanket for everybody to keep the bad things away.

My grandma (a trump supporter) has some bizarre really unhinged hatred for muslims. Last July I sent her a friendly email saying hello and just regular conversation. I mention a joke about Clinton and Trump both being disliked candidates, and the email I got in response was like a 4 paragraph rant on how muslims are ruining and over-taking this country. 😳 she didn't even respond to anything else in my email. Apparently she watches Fox 24/7. So to answer your question, it appears a trump supporter, like my grandma, is so balls to the wall crazy about one issue they don't care about much else.

Because they'll support anyone with an "R" next to their name.

Trump's approval rating is still in the mid/upper 80s among Republicans.

What low standard these people have...

So basically you guys wanted Bernie...

I went from being a strong supporter to just a mild one. Getting real tired of his shit when it comes to surveillance and the climate.

I'm not a Trump supporter but you're so fucking wrong. Trump's ties to Epstein? The fact he flew with his plane once?

I guess you're the kinda liberal that would never bring up Bill Clinton's ties to Epstein

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Wierd, from your own comment.

You were never a true supporter then with realistic expectations. You were living in a fantasy. You thought a populist was going to overthrow hundreds of years of government control in less then 3 months by himself? Like anything, you have to often give a little in order to take. It is way to early to make judgements against someone in his position.

Instead of picking strong and successful people from Wall Street who have the ability to stand toe-to-toe with politicians, he should have picked unknowns? more politicians? Who? Sounds delusional to me.

But seriously we can't let him have the launch codes

Ummmmm, another mild Trump supporter here. I hope he vetoes it.

The reason why I support Trump is mainly because he creates a lot of conflict, and conflict promotes change; which I want. Idk whether the change will ultimately be for better or for worse, but I'm hoping.

Not everything is black and white.

Im sorry but this logic is not working out. The only thing Trump creates is political standstill. The conflicts you mentioned are not causing anything positive. Best example is the health care act

Can you say that Trump will not create overall positive change? Why?

Tell me one positive thing he has done. He is basically denying climate change, he is constantly lying, he puts people into positions without any experience, his secretary of state is best friends with russia and so on. He is a fucking tv personality. The fact the he and Clinton where even able to run for president is enough proof of how broken this system is.

Withdrew the US from the TPP

This is debatable but what about the rest I mentioned? Do you feel fine with his decisions and actions? Is this the way a US president should behave?

Dunno. Who am I to say how a president should behave? I don't think they should act like Obama, since among other things he pretty much kicked all the Haitians to the curb right after they had that earthquake. Bush was a puppet. Him doing his thing is just whatever to me.

Him doing his thin is whatever to you? I mean don't you want a future where your kids will still know how a fucking tree look? Or a healthcare system that actually helps people? I just don´t get it...

Why do you think trees will no longer exist in the near future?

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

There are some things he says I disagree with, most notably his autism - vaccine statements, but overall I agree with his ideas.

And what I meant when I said "Him doing his thing is just whatever to me." I was talking about his twitter thing, which I should have made clear but I only noticed the mistake when I was already in bed. Even if I may disagree with the contents of some of his tweets, I think him putting his views out into the open to be scrutinized is wonderful.

I thought shitting on other nations for the benefit of Americans was what you guys were all about.

That's not what I'm about, no.

Please don't tell me you just criticized Obama for being anti-immigration

what

I said "Please don't tell me you just criticized Obama for being anti-immigration"

I said "Please don't tell me you just criticized Obama for being anti-immigration"

I said "Please don't tell me you just criticized Obama for being anti-immigration"

I don't get it... Where is this coming from?

Are you criticizing Obama for bowing to pressure from corporations?

I am criticizing Obama for lowering the minimum wage of an already destitute country.

Which he did because he bowed to pressure from corporations. I agree it's bad but it's exactly what Trump has done time and time again in his short time in the presidency. And is doing right now with this bill that sells your privacy.

If your only defence of Trump is "Obama also bowed to pressure from corporations (in a way that did not affect the American people) in 2011" then that's not a good argument.

Ummmm, do you perhaps think that I have to 100% like someone and vehemently defend all of their actions and that I am now allowed to have a mixed viewpoint? The only thing I said pro-Trump so far in this convo is him withdrawing the US from the TPP... Why can't I disagree with some of Trump's actions and agree with others? Why can't I like some of the things Obama did and despise him for what he did to the Haitians and the civilians in the middle east?

You realise Hillary was also set to withdraw from the TPP? The only good thing Trump has done is exactly what Hillary was going to do

Ok?

Who am I to say how a president should behave?

You pay taxes, right? That is money going directly from your pocket to his. You employ him. Not the other way around.

What I meant was that I have very little education on how to run a country.

You're a fucking chaos supporter? I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

Removed, violation of rule 10, repeated violations will result in a ban from /r/conspiracy.

I think they'd react better if this site didn't pretend that Obama walked on water for 8 years, during which the bottom basically dropped out of the average person's livelihood in America.

A bunch of college kids who gave the last shitty President a pass mostly because of his political party, just don't have the right to criticize people who give a pass to the current shitty President mostly because of his political party.

Obama claimed the right to summarily execute his own people, and reddit didn't say dick about it. Why should I listen to reddit now?

The bottom dropped out of the average person's livelihood? What are you referring to?

Probably the economic crash that happened last time we had Republicans in charge. Thanks Obama.

The bottom dropped out a long time before that, I make between 95-135k a year. My father makes upwards of 450k a year and even he sees the problems. The problem is everyone leveraging credit to grow their wealth and squeezing it out of anyone they can. There is no way to stop it or fix it. If you raise the interest rates, loans are much harder to get, these overleveraged businesses can't keep up because they depend on the credit and they sink. If they sink, we all sink, that's how many of them there are. It's a snowball of debt.

There is no way to stop it or fix it.

Communism

Communism won't work, you put too much responsibility and power into the hands of incompetent people and they've shown themselves to be incompetent. We'd need to design AI to take over the governments responsibilities and then maybe Communism would work if AI ran the government.

Reddit flipped the fuck out when the NDAA was enacted that year, and they flipped out when net neutrality was on the chopping block, too. You're rewriting how it actually went down to suit a narrative, even economically. During the past 8 years there was a slow but steady recovery after a major recession that started before Obama took office.

I'm sorry, where have you been? Reddit did nothing but complain about Obama, do you not recall the whole "Thanks Obama" thing that grew of it? Because everyone was blaming him and bitching constantly about everything? srsly? c'mon kiddo, get your head out of your ass

I am a Trump Supporter and I will be really fucking pissed at him if he doesn't veto this. And I will make it known.

Start to get pissed. he will sign it

He probably will, yeah. I'm prepped to be pissed.

This is probably the only positive thing out of this. If this is what it takes for people to finally see that Trump is not the answer to our problems, they are ready to stand up.

I think he could be, but he is woefully uninformed about many things and refuses to acknowledge it.

I think he could be, but he is woefully uninformed about many things and refuses to acknowledge it.

Like being the president of an entire country.

Oh come on, be fair. No other president has experience being president until they are president!

Many career politicians have a good idea and are typically prepared for the role. The Donald thought he was just taking on another CEO position. He already has the golfing down, he thought the hookers and blow was the only other part of the job he hadn't encountered yet.

Yes, but career politicians are also the main problem with this country.

Corrupt politicians are the main problem with this country. Now, granted, if you made a Venn diagram or career politicians and corrupt politicians, there would be at least a 90% overlap, but they aren't the same thing.

Corrupt politicians, corporate money and lobbyists are what is wrong with this country.

Might be a bit more than 90% but yes, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct!

And billionaires like Trump arent included in that problem? Do you think Trump socializes with Kentucky coal miners? No, he spent his days and nights schmoozing with career politicians and other corporate executives and officers.

I never said he was the best option...

The implication in your comment is that someone who is not a career politician would be inherently better than a career politician.

Better != Best

Man, I can't believe you still think he was the better option.

It is just my opinion. Sorry!

Yea no shit, he was the entire campaign trail. Internet privacy is what makes you realize it? Christ, no wonder he got elected.

No, I was just hoping he'd have better cabinet picks.

Still better than Hillary.

Yea, cause emails.

You're a joke.

No, cause she's a Clinton.

You're an idiot. :)

Oh, you voted in the objectively worst president in Us history because of the last name of the other option. Your decision making skills are on par, for sure.

Was it draining the swamp by electing a billionaire?

Or was it "we can't have a president who the FBI investigated" while Trump is under investigation 2000x worse the Clintons ever was?

Intriguing.

Objectively when viewed from the the system norm... he will bring about change, that's for sure. We'll have to wait and see what that change is. Done with you, though :)

What kind of English is that? You probably aren't even American you disgusting piece of shit. Kill yourself.

Your reading comprehension is lacking... read it again. And again. And maybe get your mommy to help you.

Again, just slit your wrists. You're a waste of humanity.

Please see my edit :) Blocking you, now. Have fun with Gender Studies.

And there it is.

How foolish we must be that we have to hurt ourselves before learning a lesson.

Ehh. maybe 10% of his supporters will change their mind, if that.

vote him out, man. Vote the Republicans out in 2018. Democrats aren't perfect but they don't fucking pull shit like this. There is no comparison between the two parties. The Republicans are always much more shitty.

no more anon hahaha

You've been bamboozled

Not quite yet... we'll see.

You have been.

K.

So when he signs it will you admit you've been bamboozled? I'll be happy to admit he has done something positive if he for some reason vetoed it, but I find the odds close to zero.

Likewise. I'm starting to turn on him. I'm trying desperately to keep an open mind and give him a chance. I supported him because I couldn't support Hillary and I loved how he offended the SJWs.

I'm not nearing the "regretting my vote" point, because he's still doing better things than Hillary would have done to us, but he's still approaching the danger zone.

Will you turn out for a general strike this May Day? Will you help us shut down the United States and not allow it to be started back up until the masters fucking surrender and kill themselves?

If you sound less crazy and explain more... maybe?

That is perhaps the most reasonable request for brake-pumping I've ever heard. Hah! Okay.

So the way I see it, the masters--the various groups and factions that own the U.S. and endeavor to own the whole world and everything in it--they've rigged the game so that only certain methods of protest are deemed "acceptable". Voting, for one. WeThePeople petitions. Protest marches that get corralled into "free-speech zones". That sort of thing.

It seems clear--regardless of where you happen to fall on the political spectrum--that fundamental change is needed, and that it has to occur very, very soon. Every day the "long train of abuses and usurpations" gets longer. We cannot afford to wait around for the next set of popularity contests, which may well be rigged anyway.

Violence seems to be off the table for now, which is okay, because that's the very last resort. As Frederick Douglass wrote, "this struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be moral and physical, but it must be a struggle." In other words, our methods of resistance can be nonviolent or violent, but they have to be resistance in the first place. Voting is not resistance. WeThePeople petitions are not resistance.

What is nonviolent resistance, however, is the weapon of the strike.

May Day is the traditional day of labor resistance. Hence I am advocating for a general strike, across all industries, to take place then. The idea is to grind the gears of the machine to a halt, and not let them restart until we receive adequate assurances of our future security.

Love this xD

i really have to ask: how gullible do you think you are?

You think a super-wealthy branding mogul / corporatist who has zero ability to navigate politics is going to have a sudden moment of conscience and go against his party?

Once a sucker always a sucker I suppose.

And then you will be banned and shunned.

I got a spot in line over here by me for you to join in the outrage. Welcome!

Here's the White House's official statement on the bill. Time to make it known!

But you'll get b&

Lmfao

why did you expect a born rich billionaire who has screwed over the american public at every turn to be a good president? what will be your final breaking point to say that you don't support him anymore

T_D opposes it, it's a bipartisan issue to all.

I've been looking for 20 minutes and haven't been able to find a single mention. Those sheep are ignoring it doesn't fit the narrative.

I'm sure they'll delete any mention of it.

There can be no criticism of the dear leader there, even if it's warranted.

2 days ago exactly, it got over 2,000 upvotes. Then someone called them out for it in the comments of a post and I everyone openly said they're against it. T_D is not universally for it, a majority against. Maybe the most brainwashed are just because of the (R) but it's not a T_D supported bill. Many said in defense that they're Trump supporters and not necessarily republicans.

Here's how I see it happening: they'll claim they want him to veto it and once it's passed they'll switch to defending it.

Very likely.

He proved that he's truly working for everybody, this bill will help bring pizzagate out into the light by allowing ISPs to share the browsing history of pedophiles! (Obama and his FCC were actively keeping cops in the dark, sick and sad!) Just more 927 dimensional basket weaving my friends!

I figured I'd better make that a quote, since it will soon be the official r/the_donald narrative...

Jesus christ

Like how /r/politics was against the TPP until Trump came out against it?

And they still were.

Or are you trying to say that you saw someone who liked it and you're going to use one person to try and claim an entire subreddit believes it?

They're already saying it's not a big deal and that people should be looking into Clinton's emails instead.

They're narrative doesn't have much room for Republican wrong-doing so it's not a top post now or a huge thing T_D talked about but even though you don't see it not many are for it.

Then why the fuck don't they speak out? They pay lip service to anti-establishmentism but are just a Trojan horse for special interests.

Look at my other responses to the thread with the link to T_D.

They don't speak because speaking out would criticize Trump. And we all know Trump can do no wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/?st=J0UUGR5J&amp;sh=42436d66

Correction from my last comment, it was early yesterday, not 2 days ago. My sleep schedule's off I'm confusing my days.

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The lack of mentions is how you know they don't support it. T_D gets extremely silent every time Trump does something indefensible.

That is pretty pathetic if true. The silence is deafening.

To be honest that is true to an extent for /r/politics too. But not the same as t_d.

That's because t_d is supposed to be an echo chamber. R/politics is supposed to cover all sides but obviously doesn't.

That weak ass excuse for /r/t_d is getting tired.

"We're only pretending to be retarded!"

It's not an excuse it's a simple explanation. It was always like that. There is AskThe_Donald if you want an actual discussion.

And you see no hypocrisy with them complaining about "safe spaces"? Those are designed to be echo chambers as well.

Why do people think r/politics needs to have multiple viewpoints or address politics neutrally? Content is voted on like in every other subreddit. I've never seen anything in the rules that says it's supposed to cover all sides.

Because it is called '/r/politics' not '/r/liberalpolitics'

Is content voted on? Yes, but the mods also remove shit they don't like. Yes t_d does the same thing, but 'politics' is supposed to be neutral.

The situation is different.

/r/politics is heavily left leaning and actually have been controlled in the past by a pro-Clinton PAC as I heard. Still they cover the negative things too. Comey letter about Clinton, etc. was covered, upvoted, etc. Before the end of the campaigns it was actually very much pro Bernie and many times criticizing Clinton. Right wing comments are not removed and many times upvoted if sensible. The things I don't see covered is hate attacks by left wing people or the such. Opinion pieces and sensationalist shit is posted regularly.

/r/The_Donald is a shithole that is spammed with conspiracy theories, insults, memes, personal attacks, whataboutism, mocking of muslims, half truths and lies, senseless hype about stuff. Everything that is pro-trump gets heavily upvoted be it the stupidest lie on the planet, everything that's anti-Trump is banned including comments, nothing anti-Trump is covered, and it pretends to be the last bastion of free speech. It is not just trump-leaning subreddit, it's a dishonest, stupid echo and spamchamber.

Do people just not know how reddit works? Votes determine what reaches the frontpage, and mods determine what gets deleted. In a turn that surprises everyone from /r/the_donald constantly, it turns out that most of the active userbase on that sub is pretty liberal and progressive minded. Most conservative submissions and comments simply don't get the votes to end up in the spotlight on that sub.

Agreed, as a liberal r/politics is mostly an echo chamber. T_D though, is basically one on steroids.

That means they don't want it to cloud their narrative. If they actually had posts that criticized Trump then the sheep would start to question their God Emperor.

It's more than that. Any attempt at discussing anything negative is removed by the mods. Even if his supporters wanted to discuss it, they're not ALLOWED to.

Yeah they can't have negative posts on there. Their whole schtick is that they're behind Trump 100% of the way. If they start having negative posts, people are gonna start to have real discussions about Trump on that sub and the moment that happens, they're ruined.

It's an amazing little fantasy land they've constructed over there.

There could be a huge, scandalous, incredibly important story going on about Trump, and their top post would be some random tirade against a liberal politician or something. It's the epitome of willful political ignorance.

Or a picture of someone who was killed by an immigrant 20

Or they'll just be really loud about something completely inane.

"BUT MUH OBAMA WIRETAPPING!!!!!1!!"

Extremely silent and then REALLY LOUD ABOUT HILLARY, PODESTA, PEDOS, AND URANIUM.

Took me about 20 seconds. Literally search "privacy" within the sub and about 100 related results to this issue come up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/622wsj/a_vpn_provider_doing_what_we_should_be_doing/?ref=search_posts

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OK so you found a buried post with under 300 votes and 75% of the comments are in favor of the bill.

Thank you for proving my point.

As others have said, there was a 2000+ upvoted post but it must have been deleted.

Your point was that T_D is ignoring it, but theres your evidence they're not.

So they are either agreeing with the bill or censoring all negative talk of it. Much more comforting

The point is, not everyone is. Yes, some people support it, but as you see in this thread a vast majority of T_D people are highly opposed to it. You can downvote me because you want to believe all (R) are the same, but were clearly not or we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

I'm not going to downvote or judge, but I've spent a lot of time on TD, I've seen the poison they spew, the unwavering love they have for their Dear Leader. And I'll be incredibly surprised if this passing causes them to think any differently of him. That's not all Republicans, just the ones from the swamp

Have you clicked on my links or other links to T_D? Nearly 5000 upvotes to vote no on the bill.

So you're saying that they are suppressing it (deleting threads) rather than ignoring it? Even worse.

I never said that, I said the majority of us don't like this bill. The mods don't speak for us.

The Russian day is ahead of the US day, so it gives them a lot of time to prep the days news for Trumps fans.

1500 upvotes

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/622x58/us_house_votes_to_let_isps_sell_your_browser/

4700 about the full page ad

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61rhpw/private_internet_access_a_vpn_provider_takes_out/dfigqra/?context=3

There are plenty on there.

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For the record, there's now a discussion two threads under the pinned threads on their front page.

Noted.

Indeed, I do understand the argument that our data has already been collected and sold by multiple other companies, but that's not justification to further perpetuate the issue.

It's just the perfect example of an issue that they would have endlessly attacked Obama for.

TD only opposes it until Trump signs it. After that, they'll start insisting that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The worst they'll say is that it's 4D chess or something stupid like that but I see what you mean, regardless of whether he signs it or not, I still don't think anyone sees anything positive in this bill.

Until he signs it. Then it becomes what's best for America and only liberal cucks hate freedom.

Is it? I guess every single republican in congress didn't get the memo.

Source?

Source to T_D posts? There's a ton of them. Search "privacy" in the sub. Otherwise, I've posted sources to posts there a few times in this thread already, look for my username.

Oh you're a psychologist now

It's a 5 month old regulation passed under a near lame duck administration, and which grants ISP's the right to sell data provided they add some fine print to their terms of service.

This opposition to it is a product of corporate ISP-owned media outlets convincing fools that it's an important rule when they've never read it and know nothing about it.

Take a guess at where Comcast's MSNBC stands on this legislation.

Seriously. Take a guess.

6D underwater chess!

This entire post is about being critical of him. That there is already evidence that Trump supporters will not be sheep and can think for themselves.

I'm pleasantly surprised about this too. I think most are.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH you're cute

Trump supporter here. Ready for criticism.

You are a dumb fuck who voted for a white supremacist.

heyy now I voted for the burn

I'm a Trump supporter and you damn well better know I will rib the hell out of him for this.

50% of the reason I supported was because he was against Hillary, it's closer to 80 now.

Ooh, a strong ribbing! That'll bring back our privacy rights!

You're pretending that I'm condoning the actions of our government.

We have no control over this. No matter what happens we will always be limited by the government.

Stop placing the blame on everyone that you disagree with.

No. I'm mocking you for acting as though a ribbing from you--a ribbing you can't deliver anyhow, since you'll never actually meet the giant talking yam--makes a fuck.

You'll rib him? You can't rib somebody in absentia, much less somebody who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire--ribbing is jocular criticism delivered in person, occurring in the context of a personal relationship.

Why not just criticize him for not being what he pretended to be?

Oh no!

I am openly critical of Trump which is more than can be said for the entirety of TD and more than can be said for liberals when speaking of Obama, Clinton, and Sanders.

Cut the holier than thou bullshit.

Oh no!

I am openly critical of Trump which is more than can be said for the entirety of TD and more than can be said for liberals when speaking of Obama, Clinton, and Sanders.

Cut the holier than thou bullshit.

Uh. Do you know any liberals? I don't personally know a single liberal who thinks those three are above criticism. I have seen a certain number of idiots on reddit defending everything the Democratic Party establishment does, though. Fuck them.

(That said, I don't know a single non-idiot who thinks Sanders is much like Obama and Clinton in the ways that matter most.)

But I do personally know a few reactionaries who seem genuinely unable or unwilling to admit that there are huge, gaping holes in between everything Trump says and most of what Trump does.

(On which front, I wouldn't say clearing the hurdle set by t_d is anything to be especially proud of; the bar gets lower, I guess, but not by an awful lot.)

Several. A grand total of 2 actually said Obama made a mistake or even so much as aknowledged that Clinton is a criminal.

The republicans and Democrats do equally stupid shit. We're held by the balls thanks to this stupid 2 party system.

I know too many people who think the red presidents are just flawless. But I know an equal amount that think the same of the blue. It's a mob mentality that isn't exclusive to Trump supporters.

Well, the mob mentality bit I'll give you. You're overstating the case, though, at least relative to what I've seen in my interactions.

Republicans and Democrats do equally stupid shit in many, many domains. In terms of sheer, rapacious indifference to the wellbeing of their constituents and the non-owning masses in general, Republicans consistently do more heinous shit, but the Democrats shovel their share.

But that's not the point here. I was mocking you because Trump is, by any measure, absolutely full of shit in super-obvious ways, and "ribbing him" is not really an admission of that.

That said, it was needlessly unkind for me to mock in the way that I did, and I shouldn't have. I'm sorry for that, and wish you well.

pretty strong Trump supporter here but if he doesn't veto this he'll lose a lot of my trust and support

Haha, what should of happened the first time you heard of him is about to happen now.

what do you mean by that?

I mean you should of realized trump was a fraud and out to fuck you over atleast a year ago.

Not to be a dick, but how do you still trust him?

to my knowledge he's been keeping most of his campaign promises. I've been keeping up with the executive orders

He promised Mexico would pay for the wall (they aren't; American charitable programs are)

He promised to spend less time golfing and vacationing than Obama (he hasn't; he's actually setting a record for most vacations)

He promised he had a great Healthcare replacement plan to keep everyone insured (he didn't; he left it to the GOP and then yelled at them for fucking it up)

He promised he'd jail Hillary (he didn't)

He promised he's hire experts and the "best people" for each department (he didn't)

He promised to appoint a commission to investigate voter fraud as soon as he became president (he didn't)

He promised to reveal his secret plan for defeating ISIS when elected (he didn't; post election he ordered the Pentagon instead, to present a plan in 30 days - they presented exactly what Obama has been doing and the Trump administration has been quiet ever since).

That's just off the top of my head. What are you talking about?

Get your facts and logic out of here! /S

Why do we find out if trump has vetoed it?

We conjure up another fake invoice

I don't understand

Trump printed off a fake NATO invoice for 300 billion and gave it to Merkel when she was visiting. It was just another thing showing everyone Trump doesn't understand NATO or how it relates to other countries that are part of it.

I'm assuming he used this reference to show Trump doesn't understand this issue either possibly?

It was fake news. There was no invoice

http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-didnt-receive-nato-invoice-from-trump-government/

Edited my response to show the invoice didn't happen.

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/61wyj9/tomorrow_the_house_is_scheduled_to_vote_to/?st=J0UUGR5J&amp;sh=42436d66

Not as many upvotes as it should have considering that's a key issue right above anything else today but promising comments in the thread.

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This is why congress passed this. They know he will veto it and it will make him look like he is antagonistic towards congress because 'his' healthcare bill didn't pass. It will be used as a smoke screen to cover congress' ass.

Nah. They passed it because they passed it, and he'll sign it because he has no idea what's in it and doesn't care to find out. Someone will tell him what they want him to think about it and he'll take out his pen.

I think hes as dumb as the next person, but hes not mentally handicapped. I think hes going to hear on fox news what the bill is and say, "oh shit. my internet? my nephew told me to be careful of what I let out of the cyber."

Uh... you're talking about this guy, right? Who pretty much gave that exact answer? Not his nephew, but his son.

that was the joke, yes.

I misread your other comment. I thought it said "I don't think he's going to hear...". But it doesn't say that at all.

They passed it because they need as much campaign money as possible for the midterms.

Oh trust me there are/were many Trump supporters who criticize, they just get shadow banned or banned. Vocal ones get shunned or silenced. /r/asktrumpsupports banned me for flair abuse and "not posting in good faith" after I criticized him taking from meals on wheels. It's bullshit. Twitter has been doing it too. I woke up recently and realized I got gamed and brainwashed into the nationalist agenda.

I'm a mild specific-issue supporter...I'm also a rational person that doesn't have knee jerk reactions to everything I'm told to react to.

I've been reading through this bill and not finding anything substantially horrible. I'm finding the undoing of arguably unfair laws that target a few private companies that have been around for literally 5 months.

Stop overreacting.

Had enough Rightist BS fuck?

And this is unlike liberals who will find a reason to criticize everything the man does, whether it is related to politics or not.

News - President decides not to take his salary

Liberals - "What!? How dare he? Who does he think he is. He is breaking the constitution"

Yeah, republicans were really chill when Obama set up death panels, took everyone's guns away and imposed sharia law. Oh wait... that was just the rights hysteria.

And seriously, is donating his little salary when making millions off the backs of taxpayers all you can come up with?

And seriously, is donating his little salary when making millions off the backs of taxpayers all you can come up with?

How does he make millions of the back of taxpayers. Is this what you were trained to believe?

If you think he hasn't profited personally off of his presidencies and is costing taxpayers more than any other president, you're the one who's trained.

I'll wait here for you to provide sources

"Trump's Family Trips Cost Taxpayers Nearly As Much In A Month As Obama's Cost In A Whole Year"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/02/22/trumps-family-trips-cost-taxpayers-nearly-as-much-in-a-month-as-obamas-cost-in-a-whole-year/#6a6e037836e4

"BILLIONAIRE TRUMP ADVISER “NOT APOLOGIZING” FOR PROFITING OFF THE PRESIDENCY"

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/billionaire-trump-adviser-not-apologizing-for-profiting-off-the-presidency

How he has made a profit from this?

"BILLIONAIRE TRUMP ADVISER “NOT APOLOGIZING” FOR PROFITING OFF THE PRESIDENCY" http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/billionaire-trump-adviser-not-apologizing-for-profiting-off-the-presidency

This one is not even about Trump.

It's not like Trump took in donations and arranged government positions for those donors or was taking in millions and millions in donations from foreign countries (which would likely result in favors down the road) or sold valuable natural resources to a country and had his partner go to that country to promote the stock for company they sold it to....Of course he didn't, this is Hillary.

You can give it another go on providing sources from Trump "profiting". Remember, the keywords are "Trump" and "Profit".

I saw that in action when the bill first passed the Senate.

I'm a Trump supporter and I cant say I'm excited about this nor can I argue that it is in our "best interest" however I do think I understand it (I may also be mistaken and I admit that).

The these companies do not owe their customers privacy. We do not have 4th amendment rights against corporations. We must take steps to secure ourselves with outside services if ISP's refuse.

I am a trump supporter and if he does this it will definitely be a tally against him come re election time. This is definitely a shitty thing.

"Not being able to sell your personal information was killing jobs! trump is doing more for jobs than obummer!"

WRONG. Hey dummy, I'm an everyday guy. Not a Russian bot. So I'll be pissed about this and probably much more so than you. Pull your head out your rear end

Already happening. Reasons I've heard so far:

1) Those companies provide a service, they need to make money
2) Since a lot of sites need ads to make money, wouldn't you rather have targeted ads than generic ads like the radio
3) What are you trying to hide?

I'd go along with the second argument if not for the fact that the cable companies have a fucking monopoly in a lot of places.

What ? Are you telling me you don't want to see what porn Bernie Sanders looks at? /s

I'm a trump supporter and I've been for passing it without even knowing his stance

"I've got nothing to hide, why would I care if they know what I do?"

"I like targeted ads"

"This will go great with Siri and Alexa."

Well, that's an outright lie. Do you get your information from CNN?

Please show me anywhere other than /r/conspiracy where Trump supporters are speaking out against this bill and calling on trump to veto. Seriously, anywhere, hell ill even take a Breitbart article...

You willing to take even The_Donald? It was on the front page as an against post, even calling for members to remember these people in 2018.

Either way... ZeroHedge and Breitbart, especially the comment section of the latter, determined that it would've been better to be for privacy, than against.

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TD is already pro signing, I've seen multiple comments saying it will create jobs and competition.

I am a huge Trump supporter and I 100% do NOT support this bill. This bill goes against our core values. If he does sign this I don't know if I could ever recover my support for him.

It will clarify the position on whether ISPs are allowed to share your data or not?

/s

not true.

Username doesn't check out lol. O_o Is it an ironic statement or an old opinion you had? Not all leftism is bullshit. The extreme stuff like feminism (which is biased and compromized) doesn't reflect all leftism especially the more valid types such as democratic socialism and social democracy. Just curious about the origin of your username.

stfu, we've been fighting this from the beginning.

Oh yeah, you can totally tell by going to r/the_donald. /s

If you started posting/commenting there you'd be banned... just like we were.

Look at the front page of td moron.

Oh, you mean the stickied post made literally 9 minutes ago? Way to stay ahead of this one guys...

Dude, please just stop. You want to whine incessantly? Go to your mum.

Go look at the post asshat, they aren't criticizing it.

You mean we have rational discussion and not just hive mind blind fervor?

Hahaha. You should probably head back to r/the_donald man, I'm sure all those rational people (and bots) miss you over there.

Dude, your account is 90 days old. You're literally a shariablue account. Get a life nerd virgin.