Hey everyone, just wanted to quickly mention that if anyone has more information on NASA that wasn't included here you can message me on Reddit and I'll gladly add it to the list. I'll even add entire new subjects if you have enough information in a certain area that I didn't cover here. Some of this info comes from OurJesuitPayMasters post, so thank you to him. Really all the credit should go to the researchers and video makers out there that make seeing through the deception of everyone's favorite freemasonic space agency so incredibly easy. Anyways I really hope this helps you guys and don't be shy about sending links my way, with the help of everyone this list should grow and grow. I'll make sure to check my reddit everyday to see if anyone sent any info my way. Enjoy guys, and unless something out of my control happens, this post will stay up for good this time.
The stars rotate around us - the earth can be proved to motionless a number of a ways. Check out the announcement thread on /r/theworldisflat or research Michelson - Morley and Airy's failure.
Sextants and a number of other things are perfectly explained by the flat model - I can't really go in to detail because I'm not sure what you're confused about.
As far as GPS goes - please do your own research and don't take my word for it, but satellites were invented by Arthur C Clark - a science fiction writer, albeit a notorious one. There are a number of things you're going to need to research about satellites so I'm not going to try to explain the whole thing to you but look into Eric Dubay or use the search function and try "satellite" in /r/theworldisflat.
Sextants measure angular distance - this does not mean the earth is a sphere - this is a faulty assumption you have but don't worry, I'm sure you're not alone.
However, if you're going to continue to assert your own ideas as superior, believe the official story in every instance, refuse to acknowledge inconsistencies with it and refuse to do your own research then I definitely cannot help you :)
If you are not interested in a discussion and explaining your points, why make a thread claiming that you are and then attack me for asking questions in a polite manner?
I am not interested in explaining every single detail of the world to every single person that already thinks they know best - the idea here (by the way this is a thread about the space hoax and how it relates to the flat earth) is to spread these ideas and get people to research themselves. I'm not going to sit here and type out every single point when the OP literally spent time making this post just so people like you can answer your own questions and people like me don't have to sit here and babybird everything for you :)
Calling shenanigans - I promise you didn't go through the other 200+ links in the OP. If you want to understand this stuff it's ultimately on you to do the research. It's my ambition to discuss this material with people who already understand it and you've admitted that this is not you - you cannot simultaneous claim to not understand something, not know about it and claim to know best.
If I have to explain both sides of the argument to you then it's not a conversation, I'm just lecturing you - which is not generally why I participate in reddit. Hope this clarifies some things for you.
Maybe that's because you're asking very basic questions that are answered in tons of introductory videos :)
If you can't be bothered to take the time to watch this stuff for yourself then why should I bother to take my time to try to explain something via text that you could easily get by taking responsibility for your own knowledge and education and getting your hands dirty? Sorry, not my job or anyone else's to spoon feed you truth :)
Because you've watched all the videos so you know first-hand if all of your questions are answered? That's laughable and as I said yesterday, if you want to remain ignorant then I can't help you - good luck with that :)
Yep, I'm sure NASA went to the moon with our tax dollars. Oh wait, this thread has dozens of examples of evidence videos about how that's not true. You're here to derail. If you don't believe it, watch the videos. Don't come here and assume you're right without being familiar with the content or willing to examine it :)
I'm not obligated to do your research for you - I'm just writing a couple sentences responding to your nonsense and trolling. There are over 250 links in the OP - if you want info there it is.
Oh, no problem, I'm the one who doesn't categorically reject basic science and math. It's just interesting you keep pointing to the Gish Gallop instead of providing any specific evidence to support your theory.
You're spamming this thread to hell - if you want to harass me do it over PMs.
Sorry you had a bad day at work or whatever your deal is and you're cranky but there's really no need to pollute /r/conspiracy with your bullshit - if you have any questions or any problems just PM me and deal with me like a grown up :)
The stars rotating around us was proved by Michelson / Gale in 1925.
You just replied to about 7 of my posts all at once so please don't spam me like that - It's called Gish Gallop and it's a desperate debate tactic used by people who effectively just spewing garbage to confuse others :)
I've never been one to back away when asked for explanation, nor have I been one to default back to a place that censors its users whenever they produce evidence.
Let me just disprove your flat earth here. Test one: go to the ocean and watch a ship coming into the harbour. It will appear to ride out of the waves at a distance because of the CURVATURE of the earth. Test two: have you ever seen a luner eclipse? When the earth moves between the sun and moon perfectly so you can see the shadow of the earth on the lunar surface? It is round. For a conspiracy of this size and complexity the people selling is the story must gain intold amounts of power and money? How by tryin/ to tell us the earth isnt round? Simply illogical.
I don't believe in flat earth, but I have always wondered why no other country with an advanced space program has done a manned Moon mission, and why we haven't done it in decades. Seems like the Moon would be a great spot to set up new telescopes, measuring devices, etc.
why no other country with an advanced space program has done a manned Moon mission
Three reasons - it's expensive af, it's dangerous, and there's no longer any real need to do so. Our original reason was mainly due to the Cold War arms race - show the world 1) we could go to the fucking moon, and 2) we have powerful rockets that can deliver nukes anywhere on Earth we'd like. Neither of those reasons currently matter.
Seems like the Moon would be a great spot to set up new telescopes, measuring devices, etc.
Makes me wonder how much of this is deliberate/engineered by NASA to provide a distraction for the secret space program. Make people question the "official" space stuff so they don't even consider what's really going on.
We all recently learned the US put nuclear-powered radar telescopes in space in the early cold war - think of how much they would have now.
how much of this is deliberate/engineered by NASA to provide a distraction for the secret space program
The whole point of the space race was to show our not-so-thinly-veiled military might during the Cold War - if we can build a rocket that puts people on the moon, we can nuke literally any place on Earth.
My father used to work for NASA. I know, with every fibre in my being, that we went to the moon. How do I square this with so many posts by people who are so sure of something that is a lie? It's hard to reconcile.
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n/a nbatman 2017-04-04
Hey everyone, just wanted to quickly mention that if anyone has more information on NASA that wasn't included here you can message me on Reddit and I'll gladly add it to the list. I'll even add entire new subjects if you have enough information in a certain area that I didn't cover here. Some of this info comes from OurJesuitPayMasters post, so thank you to him. Really all the credit should go to the researchers and video makers out there that make seeing through the deception of everyone's favorite freemasonic space agency so incredibly easy. Anyways I really hope this helps you guys and don't be shy about sending links my way, with the help of everyone this list should grow and grow. I'll make sure to check my reddit everyday to see if anyone sent any info my way. Enjoy guys, and unless something out of my control happens, this post will stay up for good this time.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
lol
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
About that
How does a flat earth explain circumpolar stars, sextants and gps?
The only answer I every heard on this by flat earthers so far has been "optical illusion" and "google" it.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
a quick rundown:
The stars rotate around us - the earth can be proved to motionless a number of a ways. Check out the announcement thread on /r/theworldisflat or research Michelson - Morley and Airy's failure.
Sextants and a number of other things are perfectly explained by the flat model - I can't really go in to detail because I'm not sure what you're confused about.
As far as GPS goes - please do your own research and don't take my word for it, but satellites were invented by Arthur C Clark - a science fiction writer, albeit a notorious one. There are a number of things you're going to need to research about satellites so I'm not going to try to explain the whole thing to you but look into Eric Dubay or use the search function and try "satellite" in /r/theworldisflat.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
How does that explain circumpolar stars on a flat earth? Do you have a link to an explanation? I cannot find anything on the internet regarding this.
This is how a sextant works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbgPN8jvlG4
It relies on the assumption of a globe earth. How can this work on a flat earth? The math behind it would be all wrong.
My own research shows that a globe earth is required.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Sextants measure angular distance - this does not mean the earth is a sphere - this is a faulty assumption you have but don't worry, I'm sure you're not alone.
However, if you're going to continue to assert your own ideas as superior, believe the official story in every instance, refuse to acknowledge inconsistencies with it and refuse to do your own research then I definitely cannot help you :)
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
If you are not interested in a discussion and explaining your points, why make a thread claiming that you are and then attack me for asking questions in a polite manner?
n/a anonymity_ftw 2017-04-04
That wasn't OP btw, just a heads up
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
I am not interested in explaining every single detail of the world to every single person that already thinks they know best - the idea here (by the way this is a thread about the space hoax and how it relates to the flat earth) is to spread these ideas and get people to research themselves. I'm not going to sit here and type out every single point when the OP literally spent time making this post just so people like you can answer your own questions and people like me don't have to sit here and babybird everything for you :)
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
None of Op's links answer my questions.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Calling shenanigans - I promise you didn't go through the other 200+ links in the OP. If you want to understand this stuff it's ultimately on you to do the research. It's my ambition to discuss this material with people who already understand it and you've admitted that this is not you - you cannot simultaneous claim to not understand something, not know about it and claim to know best.
If I have to explain both sides of the argument to you then it's not a conversation, I'm just lecturing you - which is not generally why I participate in reddit. Hope this clarifies some things for you.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
Every single time, seriously.
"Google it"
"The question is already answered"
"I'm not going to waste my time with you"
The same cheap excjses every time you flat earthers are confronted with facts you cannot explain away.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Maybe that's because you're asking very basic questions that are answered in tons of introductory videos :)
If you can't be bothered to take the time to watch this stuff for yourself then why should I bother to take my time to try to explain something via text that you could easily get by taking responsibility for your own knowledge and education and getting your hands dirty? Sorry, not my job or anyone else's to spoon feed you truth :)
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
No, they are not answered
Repeating this false claim does not make it true.
Thanks for proving my point.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Because you've watched all the videos so you know first-hand if all of your questions are answered? That's laughable and as I said yesterday, if you want to remain ignorant then I can't help you - good luck with that :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
The irony here is delicious.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Yep - you're here in /r/conspiracy preaching the mainstream viewpoint without evidence. Go away :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
You mean what's literally correct.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Yep, I'm sure NASA went to the moon with our tax dollars. Oh wait, this thread has dozens of examples of evidence videos about how that's not true. You're here to derail. If you don't believe it, watch the videos. Don't come here and assume you're right without being familiar with the content or willing to examine it :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Agreed.
No assumptions on my part.
So is not understanding basic science.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
Like the nonsensical claim about the boots?
n/a BillieGoatsMuff 2017-04-04
The rocket thruster piece of paper demo was my favourite. awww, so misguided.
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
You have enough time and motivation to write awall of texts complaining about me but not to answer a simple question.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
I'm not obligated to do your research for you - I'm just writing a couple sentences responding to your nonsense and trolling. There are over 250 links in the OP - if you want info there it is.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
You're the one making the outlandish claim, you're the one who should be backing it up with evidence.
The Gish Gallop isn't evidence, it's a rabbit hole of nonsense.
Stop filling r/conspiracy with your nonsense and trolling.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
You're the one who appears to be stalking me :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
So, no evidence, then?
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
I don't know what your problem is but there are over 200 links in the OP
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Oh, no problem, I'm the one who doesn't categorically reject basic science and math. It's just interesting you keep pointing to the Gish Gallop instead of providing any specific evidence to support your theory.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
You know what's funny? The more you accuse me of "gish gallop" the more accurate and self-describing it becomes for you :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
To be clear, I'm accusing OP.
Naw.
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
gonna defer to your hugbox where you ban anyone who provides contrary evidence?
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Because they're mostly (all?) bullshit. It's called the Gish Gallop, a not uncommon tactic of 'debate'.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
kind of like responding to my comments one line at a time or with one liners without engaging me in any kind of serious argument?
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
No, that's just commenting.
lol
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Alright - do you have anything to contribute here or are you just here to inflate post counts and derail?
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
That implies you're contributing.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
I initially came here to defend myself against you - you showed up here and contradicted me.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
ya, it's not difficult
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
/u/natavism PMing me now:
No problem, just replying to your comments.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
You're spamming this thread to hell - if you want to harass me do it over PMs.
Sorry you had a bad day at work or whatever your deal is and you're cranky but there's really no need to pollute /r/conspiracy with your bullshit - if you have any questions or any problems just PM me and deal with me like a grown up :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Not really, just replying to your comments. I just feel there's really no need to pollute /r/conspiracy with your bullshit.
Naw, on vacation. Pretty relaxed right now tbh.
That said, feel free to respond to the content of my comments (instead of trying to attack me directly) and deal with me like a grown up :)
n/a stillobsessed 2017-04-04
His unwillingness to actually defend the flat earth conjecture suggests to me that he doesn't actually believe the stuff he links to..
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
People have. The earth isn't flat.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
brave
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
And literally true.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Not really.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Source?
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
the OP has over 200 videos - what are you looking for? :)
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
So no source, got it.
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
any source?
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
"I don't have a model, or even a reasonably sturdy hypothesis with which to explain myself with"
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
Proof?
the one which don't show anything like a flat earth?
Go on
Oh.
LOL
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
The stars rotating around us was proved by Michelson / Gale in 1925.
You just replied to about 7 of my posts all at once so please don't spam me like that - It's called Gish Gallop and it's a desperate debate tactic used by people who effectively just spewing garbage to confuse others :)
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
Actually no, it wasn't. Nothing was proven by Michelson/ Gale in 1925. I see you're scientifically illiterate.
All it did was support the evidence that aether is total bs.
Actually no, that's not what that term means. Back to your sad little safespace.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
You're just spamming all my posts aggressively - done with you :)
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
I see, ineffectual and illiterate.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Keep spamming and good luck getting me to make a mistake :)
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
I've never been one to back away when asked for explanation, nor have I been one to default back to a place that censors its users whenever they produce evidence.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Please cease and desist - stop spamming all of my posts, stalking me across many subreddits and otherwise harassing me :)
n/a goodsmellsman 2017-04-04
Proof?
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
Your user profile is perfect proof that you're stalking and harassing me :)
https://www.reddit.com/user/goodsmellsman
n/a oceanstwentythree 2017-04-04
I've actually seen a rocket take off from my plane it was quite nice... REKT
n/a Vienna1683 2017-04-04
Probably a hologram /s
n/a NOcomedy 2017-04-04
Was it a flat rocket or a globed one?
n/a Iamamansass 2017-04-04
And that proves...what?
n/a AMexicanAbroad 2017-04-04
So, how many years dis it take you to read and organize all this information? Or is it all nice and well indexed in your CIA server.
n/a aStonedbear 2017-04-04
Let me just disprove your flat earth here. Test one: go to the ocean and watch a ship coming into the harbour. It will appear to ride out of the waves at a distance because of the CURVATURE of the earth. Test two: have you ever seen a luner eclipse? When the earth moves between the sun and moon perfectly so you can see the shadow of the earth on the lunar surface? It is round. For a conspiracy of this size and complexity the people selling is the story must gain intold amounts of power and money? How by tryin/ to tell us the earth isnt round? Simply illogical.
n/a Iamamansass 2017-04-04
You're new to this discussion.
n/a joseph177 2017-04-04
You have peppered in some flat earthers in here :(
n/a Syncyy 2017-04-04
Is this CGI ?
n/a Mrgonefor20years 2017-04-04
You've put this much effort into your research... are you going to write a book? Make a video?
So much there that its daunting.
n/a LeBrons_Mom 2017-04-04
I don't believe in flat earth, but I have always wondered why no other country with an advanced space program has done a manned Moon mission, and why we haven't done it in decades. Seems like the Moon would be a great spot to set up new telescopes, measuring devices, etc.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
Three reasons - it's expensive af, it's dangerous, and there's no longer any real need to do so. Our original reason was mainly due to the Cold War arms race - show the world 1) we could go to the fucking moon, and 2) we have powerful rockets that can deliver nukes anywhere on Earth we'd like. Neither of those reasons currently matter.
Don't need a manned mission to do any of that, which a number of other countries have done.
n/a JoBloggs1 2017-04-04
There is so much AWESOME there, thanks a mil! Going to take a while to go through everything, much appreciated!
n/a DmitriVanderbilt 2017-04-04
Makes me wonder how much of this is deliberate/engineered by NASA to provide a distraction for the secret space program. Make people question the "official" space stuff so they don't even consider what's really going on.
We all recently learned the US put nuclear-powered radar telescopes in space in the early cold war - think of how much they would have now.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
The whole point of the space race was to show our not-so-thinly-veiled military might during the Cold War - if we can build a rocket that puts people on the moon, we can nuke literally any place on Earth.
n/a NoBreadFred 2017-04-04
So out of all the planets I've seen with my own eyes through my own telescope, Earth is the only flat one?
n/a quietdownnow 2017-04-04
My father used to work for NASA. I know, with every fibre in my being, that we went to the moon. How do I square this with so many posts by people who are so sure of something that is a lie? It's hard to reconcile.
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n/a Iamamansass 2017-04-04
You're new to this discussion.
n/a admdrew 2017-04-04
You're the one making the outlandish claim, you're the one who should be backing it up with evidence.
The Gish Gallop isn't evidence, it's a rabbit hole of nonsense.
Stop filling r/conspiracy with your nonsense and trolling.
n/a natavism 2017-04-04
I don't know what your problem is but there are over 200 links in the OP