Spiritual awakening is real
60 2017-04-06 by 1tepa1
Awakening out of our ego, the sense of being a separate awareness or being from the rest. Awakening out of the body and mind while still the body/mind consciousness remains. But now it does not box your awareness in it. Its the body/mind that is in awareness, not the other way around.
How? You see that the minds voice isnt you. Its mental projections and its personal identity isnt you. Nothing that has a form or is in time is you. If you see it begin and end it isnt what you essentially are. Our true nature is being. Not trying to be but simply self aware effortless awareness. All thoughts are known in you, awareness. Same for sensations and all of experience. Dont overlook yourself, dive in to the truth of your being.
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n/a TheRightToBearArms 2017-04-06
Really decent synopsis bro. I lime it. Its true though. Breaking out of your little conditioned box of awareness is real close to the psychedelic exeperience especially but can be quite trippy in and of itseld becausw when you realize the shit going on and the fact that you have been lied too, the viel tears you realize there is what you used to know and there is what you know know and usually it is a huge gap in understanding. Most people underestimate what they dont know and of course over estimate what they do know "ego" the evil little problem societt considers their elephant in the room.
n/a AttentionDefHypeDude 2017-04-06
the movie "Revolver" has good visuals of this
n/a controlthruphysics 2017-04-06
I just wanted to say I love seeing the spiritual posts here. Last year I went to Giza, and literally yesterday I was meditating on top of Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan. Truly incredible experience. Currently en route to Chichen Itza. Doing my part to reactivate the Earth grid. I'll make a longer post about it when I get home. God bless you all
n/a SteamboatWillie23 2017-04-06
Nice!! I'm from the State of Mexico! Those pyramids are INSANELY AWESOME!
n/a controlthruphysics 2017-04-06
Couldn't agree more. My entire experience in Mexico thus far has been insanely awesome. The people, culture, the FOOD, the ruins. I just love it
n/a Mr_Hagbard_Celine 2017-04-06
It's all fantastic, but the food...oh the food!
n/a SteamboatWillie23 2017-04-06
That's awesome man! Enjoy it!! And don't let's them sell you over priced items! Idk what you look like but they raise the price up if you gotta white face going on lol I'm very light skinned, light hair color and green eyes. Everyone used to try and sell me overpriced everything until I hit them with the fluent Spanish.
Travel safe my friend! Enjoy the most underrated country in North America!
n/a publicpretender69 2017-04-06
Teotihuacan and Gobekli Tepe are two places I've got on my bucket list
n/a macadelic1901 2017-04-06
You must also be interested in Graham Hancock!
n/a LupinePeregrinans 2017-04-06
Who isn't? Regardless as the extent to which you agree, he's a must read and engage with person for these topics. Likewise, would love to make it to Gobekli Tepe
n/a lol-community 2017-04-06
Unless it changed. The temples were roped off and you weren't allowed on them because you know they were ancient ruins. But idk different sites could use different rulesdepending on vandals.
n/a controlthruphysics 2017-04-06
At Teotihuacan you are allowed to climb to the top of Pyramid of the Sun, but only halfway up at Pyramid of the Moon.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-06
That's awesome then. I went to chichenitza, and another set of ruins and you couldn't touch or go on any of the ruins. But i was st a great time and experience.
n/a Chubbs694U 2017-04-06
No, no it's not. People have been saying this for centuries. It's all in your head
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
People have been saying since times ancient that your sense of being a separate ego self is illusory, its a dream.
n/a no1113 2017-04-06
You are both correct and incorrect.
Tat tvam asi - thou art that. Existence is holographic.
What that means is literally that "everything is everything", and what that means is that although you are correct in saying that the ego-body-self (e.b.s.) is not the True Eternal Cosmic Holistic Universal Self - TECHUS - it is still at least a part of the TECHUS. The e.b.s. is the TECHUS in that sense. It's just an extremely minuscule, extremely vague, extremely distanted, extremely limited version of It.
And spiritual awakening is real - as you said. The evolution of the identity - that self that exists independent of the physical vehicle - leads to TECHUS.
Thanks for the post. Upvote.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
I would not think it needs to take many lifetimes. If one is really wanting truth truth will be shown. If truth of what we and everything else is is the most important thing for us then I see nothing that could keep us from striking through. Often the first stage is to wake out and the second is to wake down and this is like you said seeing that the body/mind/word and what we are is of the same universal substance. Thank you <3
n/a no1113 2017-04-06
I doesn’t need to necessarily, but it would seem that on many occasions, it most assuredly does take many lifetimes to reach nonetheless.
We have to realize what reaching TECHUS status actually means, after all. The TECHUS is, again, “The Eternal Cosmic Holistic Universal Self”. That means that It is an identity (the Identity) that is functioning not only with the understanding of everything there is/ever was/ever will be in all of existence ever, but who actually IS all of those things - has the awareness and the identity of all of those things - simultaneously as well as one at a time, individually and collectively both. This is a paradox I’m not sure the human mind can fully grasp, honestly.
One would imagine that the type of identity that needs to be sufficiently evolved to be able to grasp and realize that type of perspective - i.e. to be everything simultaneously (sheesh) - is grander than anything we can even come close to imagining, let alone actually being able to accomplish it in this or even many lifetimes.
The human vehicle, it would seems, is singularly incapable of grasping that level of grandiosity. This isn’t to say that it cannot arrive at at least some type of facsimile of it. I’m sure it can. I’m sure all the great teachers of human history and lore, spiritual and otherwise (people like Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, etc), might have risen to a bit higher level of realization and understanding than a lot of human beings…but even their level of “self-realization” is as nothing compared to that of, say, some being in some other solar system or galaxy who lives for perhaps ten thousand years or more years and who has A) not only some sort of internal, synaptic computing capability that is more powerful than all the super computers on planet Earth combined, but B) actually has the wisdom necessary to know how to actually USE and organize and make sense of all that understanding and ability and knowledge (because intelligence and wisdom, after all, are not necessarily one and the same thing). THAT being would presumably be all that much closer to a real and accurate and true understanding of what real “God consciousness” really is.
And we are not even close to the capacity of this being that I just described here (a being, by the way, who is, of course, hypothetical, but that I don’t doubt actually does indeed exist somewhere in this cosmos).
I’m just spit-balling, of course, but everything I just said here seems to make sense to me at least in theory.
That’s the thing, however: Truth is ALWAYS being shown. It’s just a question of whether we can understand and grasp what is always there being shown before of us or not. The fact that we don’t understand what it is yet isn’t actually any fault of the truth. It’s ours.
This is because truth is like that flower’s fragrance that doesn’t pick and chose who partakes of its aromatic fragrance. Its fragrance is available to one and all who pass by and have the ability to smell what it offers.
It’s not a question of wanting to smell the fragrance. If you have the necessary equipment, you will smell it regardless. Someone with insufficient olfactory capabilities can pass right by an aromatic flower and not smell much of anything, while another with a far more developed sense of smell can smell the “truth” of the flower from far, far away.
Same thing with other types of truths. We’ll understand them as we arrive at the necessary level of spiritual, mental, emotional, cranial, synoptic capabilities/evolution to understand those truths which had always been there all along and which were always being presented before us but that we were just not capable of understanding and receiving at the time for whatever reason.
You’re right in that there are some truths that, if one wants them bad enough, one can arrive at them. Yes. However, there are other truths, it seems, where desire alone is not enough to arrive at them (at least immediately and in the short term), and it doesn’t matter how bad we want to understand them. We simply don’t have the equipment to adequately grasp them.
And then there are yet other truths that exist that we don’t even know that we are ignorant of.
Again, all kinds out there.
Well, I would certainly like that to be the cased as well, but it seems to me that there are many things that can (and do) keep us from arriving at those greater levels of knowledge and wisdom that could improve our lot collectively and individually. I imagine that we may/can eventually get through one way or the other. I mean I’d like to think that it is a law of the universe that “What one is in fact ready for no one can deny them or withhold from her/him forever”, but it certainly does seem that we on this planet have been kept (and are being kept) from having a LOOOOT of information that we could certainly be having and made aware of. They are things we are currently very ignorant about, however, because, among other things, A) the information is being withheld/sequestered by certain powerful (political/corporate/occult) forces, and B) we as a people/as a population aren’t coming together and working hard enough and diligently enough (individually and collectively) to force that truth and that knowledge to be released to us by those withholding it.
One must be willing to work and move forward and address one’s growing understanding about the world and the universe one lives in in as many ways as possible so as to derive as much understanding and learning from it as one can on the way toward cosmic evolving.
Namaste,
n/a SundaySoup 2017-04-06
But 'who' is the spiritual being who is able to view their 'minds voice'? Is that the 'real' you, or just another layer that has been peeled back from an infinite onion?
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Its not a spiritual being or any kind of separate entity. Its not anything.
n/a VLXS 2017-04-06
Suggested reading/viewing for this thread is anything by Eckhart Tolle. His main point is separating the societally conditioned construct of Ego from one's true self, which is just being and chillin'.
tldr: enjoy the experience of living and existing on its own and searchengine eckhart tolle for instructions.
n/a Pologrounds 2017-04-06
Let's build on this, for discussion.
Separating the ego from self and just 'being and chillin', wouldn't that be considered, in this societal construct, to be simply lazy? Sort of drive-less? Or going through life saying to yourself, "this is good, I'm ok" as the world around you burns. Wouldn't that be a form of irresponsibility? That's something I feel the priestly classes (whatever they may be: Catholic/Christian priests/bishops/monks/sisters, Tibetan Buddhists, Sheikhs, Rabbis, Brahmans or Shamans) have the responsibility to do, but in this respect are either weak and cowardly, greedy or secretly love watching the world toil in mediocrity, in terms of its population's capabilities as a species.
n/a VLXS 2017-04-06
I love bulding on theoreticals just for discussion.
To preface this with let me start with a detour; I get what you're saying, and I actually had the exact same reaction to a friend's dad trying to explain Epicurus to me.
He said that according to Epicurus, the meaning of life is to live up in the mountain and simply don't give a shit -for example- if the city right on the feet of the mountain is burning due to war. Now, I've never actually read so much as the guy's wikipedia page (that I just linked) but even then I could tell that was a bunch of BS.
If Epicurus was so smart to have lived 2 millenia ago and still have a wikipedia page, he never said that shit. First of all, war on the feet of the mountain will affect you no matter how many shits you give, that's a given. I'm also gonna go ahead and guess that a person who sees a city full of civilians and pets burning and doesn't care, isn't much of a philosopher. I don't care if it's Sodom and Ghomorra that's burning down by your mountain, there are bound to be some innocent babies and cats and dogs burning with all the sinners.
Just so we're in the same page, I agree with you; what I described above isn't my idea of a productive life either. However, I know that Epicurus may have also said: "the fastest way to riches is the shedding of desire for material things". This I can quote because it is the one thing I happen to have read from Epicurus and I remember thinking "this makes a lot more sense than the bullshit about not giving a shit about burning cities".
To sum up, I'm not advocating laziness in all things or complete apathy. Just be lazy with the material things and focus on the important things in life: family, friends and fighting for your right to party.
That's not exactly what Tolle is saying, though. You ever seen a cat lay on the sun and not give a shit about anything chilling in the sun? That's what Eckhart Tolle is saying: unless you're currently hanging of a cliff, give yourself the time to unplug from the constant barrage of ego thoughts ("I need those expensive new sneakers that I saw in that movie") and "just be". Apparently, "just be-ing" includes feeling the life force running through your body, your limbs and enjoying the sensation. It actually kinda helps and as an anecdote I can tell you it works for me when I'm trying to relax and think productive thoughts.
Now, my meaning of "productive thoughts"
maywill differ from yours, but as a way of getting where I want to be (in my case destressing from life in a shitty world circumstance and thinking what I perceive to be "productive thoughts" instead of "we're fucked it's over, gg"), it works.Bottom line, if you don't chill you can't get your thoughts in order. If you can't get your thoughts in order and live in constant fear and doubt, it's harder to find any sollutions to the questions that bother you. BTW if you don't like to see the world toil in mediocrity, stop supporting mediocrity and ask for change. To quote father Gabriel from The Walking Dead: "God will save Alexandria, because He has given us the courage to defend her ourselves".
tldr: there's no tldr, you asked for the long version.
n/a Pologrounds 2017-04-06
I can definitely see the act of "just being" in the way you described as being a constructive one. I think it will open up doors to inner space that many of us have yet to experience, and great lessons to learn.
n/a cannibaloxfords 2017-04-06
Eckhart Tolle was too wordy for me. I just wanted sommething simple and practical and this did it for me:
http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/most_rapid/contents.htm
Also its completely in line with Zen, your own awareness is Buddha nature, so simply realize your own awareness. Eventually it will transform, expand, loosen from the body, and you will realize the body/mind/ego are happening within awareness just like OP suggests.
Also you will start to transcend the human condition
n/a VLXS 2017-04-06
If you like brevity, may I suggest reading some Marcus Aurelius quotes. He's from the "Stoicism" school, which pretty much says "accept the things you can't change and change the things you can".
And something about bitter cucumbers that I can't find in the link bellow. It goes like: if the cucumbers are bitter, don't eat them and don't ask why they're bitter. They are bitter, deal with it.
Link to source
n/a cannibaloxfords 2017-04-06
Stoicism is one step lower on the ladder of enlightenment and self realization. Sure you have to reach an acceptance of things, but there's also a false acceptance that you have to be careful about, a sort of stoic apathy you can trick yourself into.
In a sense acceptance is on the level of personalty, but awareness is prior to and transcends the personality, it is above and beyond that truth, light, and core truth of most major spiritual paths that discuss enlightenment
n/a VLXS 2017-04-06
We all gotta start somewhere!
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
Yes, all up until the point when someone harms you, hurts you, causes you physical pain. That's a great test.
In Buddhism (which is the tradition I've been practicing for 20 years) there is the concept of relative and absolute Bodhichitta - or the awakening of the heartmind.
Absolute Bodhichitta is loosely what you outlined in your original post. Relative Bodhichitta stipulates that while all things are impermanent and that there is no real self - this aspect of body mind that does exist requires certain conduct and behavior that requires compassion and intelligence to navigate in a skillful (Sanskrit: Kusala) way.
Or in other words. It's all good and well to peek behind the curtain and see the nature of phenomena. But you also have to live in the world and in the 1-99 years you might be around, it's up to you to be intelligent (Buddh) as to minimize suffering (Dhukkha) for yourself and others.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
The absolute and the relative are not separate. From this perspective the bodymind is merged in its source and functions like automatically by the currents rising from the source. Pain and all of that is for the body and can be seen as challenging but unless it creates the separate self that is a subject to it it is just pain. Buddha nature is simultaneously one and detached from it.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
Never said they were separate. However, they are distinct.
Some clarifications are required to clearly understand what you are discussing.
When you say 'source' - what source? This is important to determine.
'Pain is for the body' - show me a body without mind. Show me pain in the body without mental anguish.
'Creates a separate self' - how is this truly possible, if self is a fabrication anyway?
You're trying very hard, but it is telling that you're not demonstrating a clear rationale.
You say you know what Buddha nature is - that's, in the tradition I've been practicing in anyway - a very tall calls.
Not to be impolite, but you don't demonstrate fundamental understanding of Buddhadhamma, so I have reason to not believe you.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
I dont really have anything to prove to you. Truth is not in any concept, neither buddhist nor hindu or anything. This is why if you try to intellectually break down my words and compare them to another concept you will find discrepancies. Buddha said also that his teachings are not truth, all Dharmas are empty.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
I'm not asking you to prove anything.
The issue you have, however, is that you are stating what you believe to be truths and then saying that truth is not in any concept. So why bother opening your mouth or typing on a forum? What's 'in it for you' to do that?
It's not that comparisons of your ideas fall short when comparing them to others, it's that what you are saying falls short on its own.
Show me a line in the Nikayas or in the Triple basket where the Buddha says his teachings were not true. Certainly, he taught the fundamental emptiness of all phenomena, but at best, he said that his teachings were open to examination (read Kalama sutta for reference to 'free enquiry'). And if you read that Sutta you will find that he points to a few 'universal truths' that we (and the Kalamas) all agree with.
But, as far as my understanding goes, he never said his teachings were not truth. Heck, the fundamental premise of his teachings are called "the four noble truths".
This is why I say it is apparent you don't have a fundamental grasp of Buddhadhamma yet.
I invite you to be careful with your words. Words that are not true, are lies.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
My words are not truth either. Have you read the diamond sutra? Words can be relatively trueish, but they dont capture tathagatha.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
Yes, indeed. It's funny though right? Because words and concepts are pretty much all we have at the beginning - this is the basis of the first Jhana. We have to be able to fundamentally understand the conceptual framework before we can do away with it.
The metaphor extends "you gotta know what the rules are before you can break them"
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
You dont even need any big framework. The teaching of Bodhidarma for example was simply mind is buddha. Sometimes realisation occurs without any worded intelligence. And to cling to these models strictly can become like a dogma or rulebook. "You said that, you cant say that, no awakened would say that".
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
This was one of Bodhidharmas teachings. He also taught that the way is realised by one of two means, reason or practice. What is usually overlooked is reading between the lines of this teaching - that he is pointing to both of them simultaneously.
Arriving at understanding by way of practice and reasoning is vastly different to clinging to a dogma or a rule book.
You will also see in his teachings that "one in a million becomes a Buddha on their own". And that a teacher is, in most cases, needed to instruct. I'll hazard a guess, and say that you've never had a recognized teacher to guide you through the way?
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
No I have not met a teacher in real life. I like the zen teachings of Bodhidarma, one of the first books I read on the subject. If its understood you know it, you dont need a teacher to tell you. The books make sense as prior they did not.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
You would be referring to the one authored by Red Pine from the Chinese original wood blocks? If so, yes, it's an excellent text. You could spend your whole life with that book and that would be enough for a fruitful path.
If I were you I would seek audience with a teacher at some stage in your life. There is nothing more humbling than being rattled by those who have much greater capacity - and there is no better opportunity to learn.
Initially, on the way, we all think we can do it ourselves. I thought that. I know many others who did too. It's all part of the path. But very, very, very few can emerge from the wilderness with their own light. It's possible, but exceptionally rare. And at the end of the day it doesn't earn anyone more brownie points if they do it on their own or with guidance. Buddh (intelligence) is Buddh.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Not sure what version it is but I have read it several times.
I would love to meet someone in real life.
It seems like you didnt read what I wrote and took it out of context. I said that once realisation happens there is no one else that needs to verify it for you, you alone know it has happened. What kind of a samadhi would it be if an external validation would be needed for it to be right for you?
I read a lot of stuff and listened to a lot of teachers, just never have met one in real life. Of course I just didnt one day wake up without knowing about this or doing anything.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
You are using big words like Samadhi. How do you truly know that what you have is Samadhi? Or, have you heard the word, read about it, built a conception of what you think it is, then verified it according to your own idea of what you think it is?
You seem to be interested in the Zen traditions, you would know then that a vast portion of this practice is dependent on external verification. The real truth is, unless you have an external verification, it's extremely difficult to know what is shit or sugar. And honestly, you don't have the capacity - yet - to determine the difference.
Read the tradition, its riddled with stories of people like you who think they have reached something and the master knocks the wind out of them.
In relation to your assessment of my tone, and 'not wanting to engage further', but then doing exactly the opposite, i offer you this.
You have not addressed any of the questions I asked. Not a single one. This demonstrates your inability to engage in rigorous discourse, and shows a fundamental lack of critical insight. You only want to say the words, not be challenged, and be praised. This is the very definition of Avidya.
I am interested in whacking you out of a stupor. I don't have to spend my time doing this - but compassion is a virtuous practice, and you seem like a nice enough, sharp person who means well. There are just things screaming out about you that are very obvious, that I have seen in countless people before you.
If you're focused on tone and not the content, which you are heavily, you're missing the mark massively. You have not addressed any of the substance I have put in front of you.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Are you sure I have said that I dont want to engage with you, I dont remember saying that?
You know when the separation of inside and outside collapse and a sense of there being you as a thing leaves.
Go ahead and ask a couple questions if you want. My question is this: what if you are trying to stirr up an empty pot?
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
Whoops! My apologies, I read sudo-tleilaxu's post as yours! Reddit can still be a bit confusing with how it is laid out. My bad!
Yes, that's getting pretty damn close. It's the preliminary condition of Jhanic absorption. If you find a teacher eventually, you'll drop into the rest very quickly.
That's a good question, that I don't have an answer to quite yet. From what I can see the pot is quite substantial. You have good insight.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Ah okay. What would you say is the rest, so to speak?
n/a sudo-tleilaxu 2017-04-06
Reading through all that you have written here, I can't help but to think that you love to stroke your own ego, a lot. You also appear to be very very self-indulgent and love to hear and read yourself a lot.
You are also "trying very hard", and falling very very short.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
All the best to you. And good luck.
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
And also, if you think that your words are not truth - why say anything? ;)
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
They are relatively truish but they dont get to truth. Truth has and will not ever be in the form of words. The kind of truth that Buddha called tathagata.
n/a ILoveJuices 2017-04-06
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n/a d8_thc 2017-04-06
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n/a Iamamansass 2017-04-06
The wise man is not surprised by death he is always ready to leave. La Fontaine This melancholic state is so powerful that, according to scientists and doctors, it can attract demons to the body, even to such an extent that one can get into mental confusion or get visions. Agrippa
n/a Iamamansass 2017-04-06
"Putrefaction is so effective that it destroys the old nature and form of the rotting bodies; it transmutes them into a new state of being to give them a totally new fruit. Everything that has live, dies; everything that is dead putrefies and finds a new life." (Pernety, 1758)
n/a islandofdelight 2017-04-06
You got that right :)
You speak like someone who is truly experiencing it. We are all spiritual beings having a brief physical experience. We are experiencing a shift in consciousness... moving from 3rd density awareness into 5th density... we are all dealing with past life karma and releasing trauma from our energy bodies.
The time is coming soon that everyone will be awake, and this will marked by a pulse from our sun, which originates at the galactic center. We will then be free to communicate directly with our positive ET soul families who are already here, and who are us.
Are guides are all speaking to us, and we have to be more aware of the energy of our thoughts and actions... You are right that nothing in our reality really exists beyond our perception of it.
We have to begin seeing past the false divisions and unite against the manipulators who have been ruling this planet for so long. If anyone is interested, they might want to check out this info about The Event, and all of the changes that are coming soon - http://prepareforchange.net/the-event/
n/a DrWaveLength 2017-04-06
It's like our persoanlies are windows. And sometimrs good and bad things peer through these windows. We immediately think that we are the being staring thorughout the window but we are not. That's why people suppressing thought and feelings because they think they are theirs but in reality it's just a passing phantom.
n/a xXBalanceXx 2017-04-06
Ty , to say the truth this what i want to work on my country and help the spirital awaken and separate from my ego. Reunite with my higher self :D.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
Ego denial pseudo spirituality will get you nowhere. Own your ego- own your body and your emotions and your mind. That is the real ticket to transcendence.
And stay the hell away from new agers / cults / religions / drugs.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
I never said to deny anything.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
"The minds voice isn't you". "Nothing that has a form or is in time is you".
You are denying the fundamental truth that the body and mind are part of you. You can't have spiritual awakening without the body and mind going through a very real physiological transformation. The three are not separate.
Not all voices in the head are "not yours". Sure, a good amount of them are entities and media programming, but there is most certainly your OWN voice speaking through the mind as well.
The mind, body and emotions are part of a system. Emotions are the Current coming from your Soul, the body is a conductor, and consciousness is the end product. Current + resistance = heat and light. The goal to gaining more consciousness is not to dissociate from your own mind/emotions and eliminate your very own Current, but to lower the resistance in your body. And you can only do this by fully owning your Ego and integrating the corresponding emotions with your body.
So what makes more sense: Holistic Integration, or 'floaty floaty I am not my body I am not my mind I am a floaty thingy'?
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Neti neti is good for detaching from the body mind. Then the second process after realising buddha nature is to integrate the bodymind to the essence.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
Floaty-floaty is great for detaching from the body mind.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
What about in normal life?
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
Well the best way is to use every waking moment as a meditation. Work, school, traffic- whatever it is you are doing in the moment, be there fully in your body. You can be in charge of your body mind without being detached from it.
A good analogy is that a turbulent mind/emotional state is like a stormy sea. No matter how big the waves crashing on the surface are, underneath is a huge, vast ocean that is perfectly still. But ultimately the ocean and the waves are one and the same.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Yes. Thats what I did. But if there is the sense of you being aware that is still tha trap of self awareness.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
I don't think being self aware through the body or ego is a trap. It's a system- body mind and spirit are an integrated system.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
There can be self awareness but there is no self that is awaren.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
This is simply not true though. We are separate and distinct bodies with separate and distinct minds and separate and unique Souls. Every person is a distinct and separate entity.
Look at it this way: if a cell loses its cell wall integrity, it dies. It needs a distinct boundary between itself and the rest of existence in order to actually function.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Its true here. The bodymindworld appearance is made out of the essence and this essence is what everything is. The separate self is also within this appearance and made out of this essence. So I am not the separate self, I am the free essence but also at the same time this appearance is of me, but I cant be reduced to something within the appearance. The feeling that we are the separate self seems to hide the essence since a the appearance can not know the source which is the essence and substance of the appearance. By appearance I mean what is.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
I think you're over analyzing something that is very simple. You are your mind and your body, as well as your essence.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Everything is the essence. There arent separate things apart from it, and it isnt a thing either. So there is no one that has an essence or has a body or has a mind, thats all the functioning of the essence.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
The self is the body + mind + essence. So yes, the self does have a body and a mind and it is also part of essence.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
How can the self be the body and the mind and the essence and at the same time have a body and a mind and be a part of the essence?
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
Because the body mind is a vessel for consciousness. It is capable of being itself while possessing itself at the same time. It's a system.
Body + mind + Soul + essence > essence
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
The body mind is made out of consciousness also. This is what I mean when I said everything is the essence.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
Remember that the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. I think you've fallen prey to writings and dogma surrounding the "essence" written by people who left their body to the point they believed they were not themselves.
The path of truth leads to greater wholeness - you should become more than what you started off as, not revert back to primordial "essence" soup believing you aren't a self.
The ego and mind and emotions are fundamental aspects of your being. Trust me on this one.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
My experience is wholeness. I dont deny body or world, my experience is that I am as the essence one with the bodymindworld. The body mechanism is within the wholeness that is the essence. The body sense does not box me in it, the body sense appears in me.
I dont believe I am not a self. I know I am the essence and the self is a product of the bodymind and is a temporary appearance. There is no real self that is the doer and controller of the bodymind. This true controller is the essence.
n/a Miike78 2017-04-06
There absolutely is a real self that is the "doer" and controller of the body mind. And embracing / identifying with this self does not in anyway keep us from being the whole deal. You are clearly formulating ideas and typing them out onto Reddit, and it would be silly to say you are not a self.
There is also a lot more to the human being than just "essence" and "Bodymind". There are subtle but very real aspects that make us who we are- parts we can't perceive.
It seems your message is to dissociate with the Bodymind because it "prevents" us from finding some realization, which is completely the opposite of how things really work. You have to integrate your body and mind and emotions and become whole. And you also seem really persistent in holding onto this falsehood, which leads me to believe you are more self motivated than you think ;)
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
I speak only of my experience. Your experience may be that there is a self but here there isnt. I am not disdociating from anything like I have said to you before. There is no separation between me and the bodymindworld. No separation, no gap.
n/a mrbulldopz 2017-04-06
check out r/holofractal
n/a Eric_Es 2017-04-06
What I've come to understand and pay attention to, is the "nothing" that I am.
What I mean, is that when I am sitting in quiet, and focusing on something, or reading something, or meditating without distractions, I AM the nothingness that is.
The eternal silent observer behind your eyes. When the ego is not present, and the mind is quiet without distraction or prejudice, the being I am is the eternal "no-thing".
It is not separate from my mind or my existence. It just is. It has no feeling, or ability to decipher between "right" or "wrong". But it does seem to have a sense of what is "light" or "dark".
Its hard to describe, but the quiet eternal nothingness that lives behind our egos is the true self. The concept of a "me" or an "I" is the deception. Building of self importance or the "ego" has been the purpose of consumerism, or of western society. It has had a very strong influence on creating a separation within us.
When learning to let the "me" go, I have been ever increasingly aware of the "no-thing" that I am.
We are all just the eternal nothingness, the silent observers, that really can only decipher between "light" or "dark"... Or "love" and "hate".
n/a Loud_Volume 2017-04-06
We have a lot of spiritual resources on our forums
Http://www.awakeningforums.com
Here's some good links
http://awakeningforums.com/thread/394/book-secrets-unlocking-hidden-dimensions
And channelings too
http://awakeningforums.com/thread/436/yeshua-ensure-awakening-occur
http://awakeningforums.com/thread/356/collective-birthing-new-consciousness
n/a FongoBongo 2017-04-06
Just wanted to say OP that I completely agree with you. The viel is lifting and people are beginning to remember who we really are. The interesting thing is the journey and how each one of us are coming to the realization of the divine truth.
I'm leaving for the amazon in less than a month and can't wait to see all that awaits.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Have fun!
n/a 2012ronpaul2012 2017-04-06
Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God.” Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’ The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?
“Very truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know and testify to what we have seen; yet you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God.”
n/a themodernritual 2017-04-06
You wrote this after you said to me you didn't want to engage with me further. And as a result I closed off the conversation. Still interested in discussion?
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Sure. I dont remember this conversation or you though.
n/a kbjay 2017-04-06
Check out the Law of One: Ra Material
Extraterrestrials that are billions of years ahead of human civilization define Infinity as Unity, ultimately everything is part of All there is/Infinity and thus everything can't help but be the Creator/Universe experiencing itself.
Nature of reality/existence is of Oneness. Everything is Divine, there is only truly Freewill. Law of One also talks about the creation story of "God"/existence as well in session 13 http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=13
https://youtu.be/rVUEdj-OIMA
https://youtu.be/Tltx0Ipc3UU
Bentinho, as well as people in Gaia.com are all about the Law of One, as am I. Take what resonates, leave what does not
n/a kimchikimm 2017-04-06
I wanted to share a 'strong insight' that I had winter last year and hear other people's opinion about it.
I've been experiencing some very 'crazy' episodes since 3 years, involving 'spiritual and esoteric' things that many people might call bullshit, just as I never thought much about all that before experiencing it myself. Call it spiritual awakening, dark night of the soul, kundalini blablabla I'm sure there is tons of different words.
That time I felt how something opened up around my solar plexus area and from there I felt sooo much love, so much love energy, the more I send out the more I had to share. It was like experiencing universal love for the first time. I could actually feel how this love radiated from me into my surroundings. I also cried a lot because I wanted everyone to feel this love. I know how it comes across but at that time I was like 'This is the solution to everything. This love is so powerful, its beyond good and evil, nothing has a chance against it' (in relation to how helpless I felt about the state this world is in). It was like I was sending out this frequency of love and I saw how it influenced people around me. It was like experiencing first hand how reality shifted in front of me, how this love changed it. People started to tell me their traumatic stories which made me understand more what formed them into the person they are today. At some points I actually felt like this bright lamp attracting people towards me like mosquitos. I won't go into the details of feeling, seeing, hearing and this sense of premonition about understanding the underlying pattern of the things happening in front of me.
One anecdote I wanted to share is a conversation with a chiropractor that I had during that period. Partly because for me that was that kind of 'proof' that whats happening with me is not just inside my bubble of reality, not just subjective, but touches other people's realities. I live in central Europe and thats the only real chiropractor from the US in my city. I've seen him couple of times before and he was always nice and friendly. But this time I felt something was different the moment I entered. First thing he said was 'Wow your vibration is so high, you never have to worry about negative energies and entities latching onto you'. He never ever said anything along those lines ever before, I was seriously surprised. Then he kept on going about seeing three different mediums all telling him the same about his past life and how he died in a plane crash in WWI. That his wife was a medium too, they have regular sessions where they record on tape what she 'channeled', that he has seen things levitating in space, blablabla a lot of these things, even invited me to join one day. We talked for about an hour. Normal session is like 15 minutes. When I walked out I apologized that it took so long and the secretary said, no problem. The next 5 clients all called and cancelled their appointment.
During that time I remembered when looking at certain people (mostly pictures, not people I knew personally etc.) they looked like reptilian, greenish. It felt foreign but not 'evil'. And I had this strong feeling that reptilians are nothing more than humans who awakened their kundalini energy, or that there is some connection there. That if you 'perceive' them through your third eye, higher senses, whatever, it may come across as foreign and dangerous. Just putting this out there for discussion.
I am not coming to some kind of conclusion, just wanted to share tiny little excerpts of the past years and my journey of trying to find out whats happening with me. And in no way do I feel good, part of me feels like utter shit and just want all this to end and be normal like everyone else, just be done with this life and see how the next one will be or whats after this one here.
But from observing my surroundings I have this strong feeling that we are on the right 'track'. Especially the younger people (I'm 26 myself), its like something is awakening in them, they feel this power to want to help the world but don't know how. A bit like some have special little superhero abilities that they are slowly rediscovering. Certain people around me, how much they changed the last years, the way they talk, the way they perceive the world, it's all coming together, it's hard to put into words.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
Sounds like an opening of the heart, I have had various experiences of this too. It feels like something opens in your chest and this intimate love almost like bliss flows out of there into the world before you.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
The absolute and the relative are not separate. From this perspective the bodymind is merged in its source and functions like automatically by the currents rising from the source. Pain and all of that is for the body and can be seen as challenging but unless it creates the separate self that is a subject to it it is just pain. Buddha nature is simultaneously one and detached from it.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-06
How can the self be the body and the mind and the essence and at the same time have a body and a mind and be a part of the essence?