Me too, same reasons as you, OP. Held out hope. Hope gone. Feeling very let down by Trump. If he couldn't take the heat, he should have stayed out of the damn kitchen from the start. All his promises --- betrayed. All the hope he engendered -- gone. Just another Zionist US president. Whole world feels betrayed by him
Welp. Guess this means I'm with David Brock now. We should call for Trump's death or impeachment in the streets. I've got pitchforks. /s
I always thought he was pretty stupid and could be influenced towards dumb shit, I also thought he wasn't a career politician and could be influenced to do some non-establishment shit. "all hope lost" "sky is falling people" are still being ridiculous.
This Syria move is a bad one, but this still doesn't categorically remove all possibility of him doing some good and non-establishment things. I still hate David Brock, I still hate John McCain, I still hate regime change and will be very vocal about opposing further action in Syria.
To me not much has changed.
Republicans still corrrupt
Democrats still corrupt
MSM still corrupt
Trump still new, self-serving, stupid
Trump also still can potentially be influenced to challenge and keep pressure on Dems/Reps/MSM
I agree with everything you said except the "Trump is pretty stupid" part. He seems reasonably bright to me. I mean, he's fuckin' despicable. But he doesn't strike me as stupid.
But Trump also still can potentially be influenced to challenge and keep pressure on Dems/Reps/MSM which is good for most of our causes
Oh Jesus Christ. The man isn't a fucking outsider. What don't you get about that? He will not challenge the status-quo at all. He is an advocate of the status-quo. Fucking ridiculous that you actually think Trump you can convince Trump to give a fuck about the little guy.
If you look at Trumps contract w/ the american ppl he has actually fufilled most of his promises. Show me proof of a false flag gas attack. And i mean real proof.
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I still find it hilarious the way anyone can try to justify such reckless actions in a foreign country once again... Who the fuck cares about whether or not he's fulfilled his promises, are all of you just listing for war? More unnecessary bloodshed in your supposed justified "War on Terror"?
Don't you see that excusing the MIC and it's OBVIOUS forced continuation of conflict is what keeps this entire war machine going? You honestly believe the majority of civilisation on this Earth can't work together over the commonly shared ideal of PEACE?
They want you to believe in the Boogeyman, how else could they keep the insane profit train running...
The whole world doesn't feel betrayed by him. Most people could see through his lies clear as day. It's just a shame there were enough people out there that were gullible enough to get this clown elected.
I don't doubt that she wouldn't have, but she also wouldn't have broken any promises she made in the process. Trump duped people into voting for him by promising he wouldn't do exactly what he just did.
EVERYBODY has a public stance and a private stance. And she didn't say it was wise to have have both a public stance and a private stance, she said it was necessary:
Jesus Fucking Christ. Are you retarded? What I typed can in no way be construed as a strawman.
Just because it's become normal for politicians to do this doesn't make it acceptable or tolerable.
I LITERALLY said in my first sentence that "EVERYBODY" has a public and private stance. I didn't say anything about anything being "acceptable" or "tolerable." I said it was "necessary." Every world leader would hypothetically have a public and a private stance. Bernie...Ron Paul...every single one of them. The mythical public figure you would find acceptable or tolerable doesn't exist in reality.
Here, let me beat you to your reply: Something about ad-hominem attacks. Something else about some other bullshit. Save it. Pull your head out of your ass and take a good look at the world we live in.
I think there are a lot of things I wouldn't have to worry about with her, our educational system (I already pay hundreds for my kids in a public school every year, going to get worse when they take more money away), the environment, national parks, railroads, race relations, etc. I don't think it would be worse by any means.
UH We were arguably way more fucked voting for a man who's filed for bankruptcy mad times than the wife of a president with a corporatist agenda. At least one wasn't a complete fucking idiot with a litter of clowns riding nepotism's penis until it's a nub of a crayon.
and probably has a white cone hat in his closet he only brings out on Sunday night cross burnings. Fuck I hate racists! Guess that makes me one? Fuck it.
"I voted for the Republican because I'm pro-weed" is up there with "I voted for the Republican because I'm anti-war".
There's no indication she would have changed from the Obama stance on legal states. She almost certainly would have appointed a less anti-weed AG than Jeff Sessions.
I care a lot more about a politician's policies over their personal beliefs. Hillary's constituents are way more pro-weed than Trump's.
Who ever said I voted Republican? Just because I'm happy a psychopath like Hillary isn't in power doesn't mean I'm happy that a narcissist idiot like Trump is in power.
The point is they BOTH SUCKED. Stop trying to make it into a left/right problem. Stop trying to make it seem like Hillary would have been our savior. The fact that the two main candidates sucked so hard like they did is the biggest problem for ALL OF US.
If anything, left and right should come together and realize fuck these people! They aren't looking out for the best interests of the people, I don't care what side of the isle you're on.
Literally nobody here is saying Hillary would've been our savior. The difference between them is Hillary would've kept everything basically the same while robbing our country while Donald is actively fucking up our country while robbing us.
Where? Why does all criticism of Trump result in Hillary whataboutism? I've hated Clinton for 10 years now. Just because I think Trump is selling our country to the SVR doesn't mean I think Hillary wouldn't sell it to corporate interests.
Because the fact is that Hillary is not a psychopath. It's pure nonsense. In every conceivable way that Hillary is even bad, Trump is verifiably worse. In every one. He's a pathological liar, has a sincerely fake charity, chose a much more despicable and unqualified cabinet, is a complete buffoon, and apparently launches missiles on a fucking whim.
The "these two are both bad" argument is like a "these two are both tall" argument with Ryan Reynolds and Manute Bol. It's a statement that is both technically true and completely stupid.
You don't get to be an HRC supporter and also accuse Trump supporters of being duped. You can have an opinion on who is worse, but they are both utterly ingenuous.
Bullshit. Clinton wasn't running around promising to "make every dream you've ever dreamed come true." To say that they're the same is seriously the laziest, self-apolagetic bullshit I've ever seen.
For real man. Person you're replying to just feels stupid he supported trump and is taking the opportunity to take people down to make him feel better about his EPIC FUCKING MISTAKE.
I'm not a trump supporter, but why would what is effectively a warning strike against an airfield make you feel let down? This isn't starting WW3, this is something Obama did many times with many more casualties.
Because trump ran on a campaign of non-interventionism. This isn't about what is "right" or what is "wrong" thing to do based on morals but most people are beyond sick of the USA meddling in other countries. I'm not American, I love the American people but I absolutely despise the American government - The war on drugs, south american instability, Iraq, etc. there's so many things in the world that the USA has fucked up.
He also called for deploying combat troops to Syria and for increasing the US military presence in Iraq in order to occupy their oil fields and divert profits from them to the US. Anyone who thought Trump "ran in a campaign of non-interventionism" was either not paying attention or was being willfully blind.
Also, I'm not sure how this one strike is the straw that broke the Trump supporter's back, when his administration conducted more airstrikes in Yemen in the month of March than the Obama administration ever did in an entire year.
No offense but this is the GOP dude. They say one thing and do another. Convincing you the enemy is everybody except the wealthy. Reagan, bush, now Trump. Obama could have been great but, unbeknownst to many Conservatives apparently, you need congress and guess what he had congress for all of 2 MONTHS! In which he was able to pass obamacare but only after he was forced to take out the most important part that kept EVERYTHING in check. The public option. (Fuck you Joe Liberman.)
Yes, certainly does. Both parties are shit, but the GOP is field of manure and the dems are compost heap. They both do shit things, but the GOP is more about repealing everything that is a public good to America, while the Dems more or less just bow down to corporations.
The Dems aren't nearly as likely to steal public lands, take away healthcare for 25 million people, or cut taxes on the wealthy. They won't go after the EPA or National Parks, and they won't put forth a presidential candidate who has been charged with sexual assualt, has multiple wives, and a family run empire.
They still aren't good though. We need a real left party in this country, as both these parties are center to far right.
I would assume they will this time, but again, what do we get? We might stop the corruption we're seeing right now, or slow it... But the steady march towards favoring the upper echelons continues.
We, the people, really need to stop bickering over sides, and realize that it's not left vs right, but us vs them. We have the power to make this country great again. Not some clown with a slogan.
The problem is that splitting off into a third party will fracture the lieral base. You'll have half the country voting Republican with the rest split between Dems and whoever rises to challenge them from the left. Unless there is a split in the Republican party, I see this as a losing strategy.
I believe you're likely right about that. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place until the whole thing blows up in our face. Of course, the idea is that it never really will, and we'll always be stuck.
Dude, we've been at war for 16 years without a declaration of war.
That's exactly my point. Overlooking his foreign policy and all things Military(defense authorization act, extending PATRIOT act, droning the fuck out of civilians, allowing NSA to carry on...which can all be attributed to the military industrial complex; the JFK gun point at him) there isn't much bad shit he's done. Especially when you compare him to what came before and after he actually did shit to help Americans(shit Trump seems dead set of repealing simple because...something something obama). The stupid bullshit Trump keeps saying about how big of a mess he was left with, horseshit. I'd love to see that orange clown deal with the mess Obama had. What mess did Trump have? Too much Clean air?
Dude, take your time. No rush. I'll wait. I'd love to know what Obama did that was so wrong besides what I just mentioned.
Just to play Devil's advocate here... Obama said he was getting out of Iraq immediately during the campaign, and then he did not. Lies and misrepresentation is not the problem of a single party, it's just who politicians are.
Not really. The world feels betrayed by the people who elected him into the most powerful position on the planet. The whole world tried to warn you over and over again that he was glaringly incompetent and corrupt, but you wouldn't listen. He wasn't even subtle about it -- every time he opened his mouth, every goddamned day of the election and of his presidency, he outright says something that any decent person would be ashamed of, but now we're stuck with this crooked asshat who's tearing apart our country and our relationships with our allies. I don't feel betrayed. I feel sad because I was right.
I can't believe I allowed myself to be swept up in a presidential run. I've been always of the mindset that it's all window dressing and bullshit. But I fell for this outsider malarkey. So now what though? Would a third party make a difference? Or would the deep state just flex its arm to keep anybody in that position in line?
Fell for it also man. I'm still holding out hope that this was a chess move in peace talks and trump is "playing the game" for now with the Deep State.
All my Liberal friends are now praising trump for the attack and they are weirded out that I'm not on board with them. "I thought you liked trump, what happened" etc is all I'm getting. So many sheep man
I have a feeling that A LOT of the pro trump crowd were somewhat conspiracy/truth guys like me and finally found someone who would try and put an end to this meddling in other countries etc.
Falling for these and false flag attacks are the exact opposite of what I support. Guess we will see, no reason to go full ape shit mode.
I think you're bang-on about how much of his crowd were conspiracy/truth guys. It's why he won, IMO. Unfortunately for him, most of those aren't afraid to change their opinion and were only skeptically supportive.. I consider myself in that category. I'm not ready to say I'm done with him yet but we're getting closer
I was a big pizzagate guy myself dude. Who knows maybe you're right, I just never found anything connecting trump to it besides he was friends with Epstein. Care to elaborate?
When Flynn junior was helping expose pizzagate, Trump was quick to shut shut him down and get him out of the campaign. It is clear the Trump doesn't want people talking about or investigating pizzagate.
How many times since winning the election has he talked about it? None.
He has all the power to create a quick and thorough investigation which could literally save hundreds or maybe thousands of American children who are held captive right near his home... what has he done about it? Nothing.
Elected in november. In power in January. Still preventing the children from getting help in April.
All my Liberal friends are now praising trump for the attack and they are weirded out that I'm not on board with them.
That's really strange- I don't know a single liberal who isn't calling this "Trump's Reichstagg Fire" or calling him a hypocrite for how he said that Obama did the wrong thing in Syria a few years back.
All they see are the pictures of the supposed "Assad attack" and think they need to get him out of power. They aren't weighing out any other ideas about the situation, these are pro CNN people let me mind you.
It seems to have divided both sides. You have the conservatives who support and those who oppose it, and the same on the liberal side but for slightly different reasons. It's really confusing, and I can't help but wonder if that was part of the desired effect.
It's really confusing, and I can't help but wonder if that was part of the desired effect
Hope everyone picks up on this as a take away. That was always the intent. By Shareblue shills and Russian trolls. The whole point is is poison information and discourse in order to continue carrying out the same plan that they've been pulling off for most of modern history.
I've said it time and time again, left and right and liberal and conservative is all bullshit meant to divide the common people in order to keep them distracted. Bernie was the only one who saw through this. That's where you need to look in the future. This isn't left versus right, it's the 99% versus the 1%, and the 1% is winning, and always has been winning, and that's never, ever going to end while we're all divided over abortion and taxes.
No, just the opposite, I hope... I think both sides are more alike than they realise, we're just divided by the extremists who, in reality, are only a small proportion of our respective movements.
Yeah, I was talking to my liberal friends last night, and all we could talk about was how fucking sick we are of being at war with somebody in the middle east.
People are making up "liberals" because Clinton and some others have voiced support for fighting harder on Syria.
Liberals are and continue to be anti-war. All the same people I know who were opposed to Iraq are opposed now. They didn't want Obama to be going into Syria either. They don't want these US led invasions of middle east countries. Something like Libya was led by the French and NATO backed and it was quick and focused and even though the rebuilding hasn't been amazing, it's about as much as this country can stomach anymore.
I don't remember claiming they were. I'm responding to people who hear Clinton voice support for intervention and apply that to all "liberals".
There are plenty of us that never wanted this kind of thing, even if there is suddenly a GOP anti-war movement, there are still some of us who remember pro-war assholes throwing hot coffee on anti-Iraq-War people in their high school.
I remember a time when questioning the President was considered unpatriotic. When 9/11 was waved around like a club against anyone who wasn't in favor of attacking a country that didn't threaten us. Some of us lived through that and now it's downright insulting to be told that "anti war liberals don't exist". Fuck. That.
I never said anything remotely like "anti-war liberals don't exist" because I'm not an idiot. Sorry people are saying that to you, but obviously they're dumb
The media oddly thought this attack was a good idea. It's like someone flipped a switch. I do know some liberals who think this strike was a good idea and most of my conservative friends think this is a huge mistake. I am confused about it all
Honest question: how did you not see this coming? How was it not abundantly obvious to you from Trump's own words and actions, that a) he only does what's best for him and b) he was actively gearing up for war since before he was elected?
Hillary would have taken us to war also so that's a whole other conversation, everyone got what they wanted, a world war possibly. I think it was the polarizing stances we were forced to take as citizens.
I do like conservative values, I agree with some immigration talks of Trump, I liked his business background for some reason. I was raised conservative and while I didn't get along with my parents all the time and was a rebel I understood the values they wanted me to hold. Work hard, don't take handouts, suck it up quit bitching.. all I saw from my friends on the left was bitching, bitching about working, blaming everything on the government etc and I just got tired of it so I went opposite. I control my destiny not everyone else was the way I look at it.
Now I realize I'm 26 fresh out of college and don't know shit about shit. Media and everything just got everyone riled up. I've always been at my roots a conspiracy theorist, I guess I just wanted to try something new. Ideas are like drugs dude. Humans are weird.
This was a mind control experiment on a grand scale now I'm starting to realize. Shit was weird man
Maybe once he was briefed on the state of things, and shown his Mossad blackmail file he decided to toe the line vs having his bloodline slowly wither and die.
Sheep for what? The whole entire Donald Trump base has to turn a blind eye to every hypocritcal thing he has tweeted in the past and said. And you have the audacity to call others sheep?
For going against their professed morals (anti-war) and gladly endorsing the beginning stages of another disastrous campaign in the Middle East.
What made them Bahhhh?
Video from the White Helmets and assertions from neocons. That's all it takes to endorse another million+ dead in another Middle Eastern country and another $4+ trillion stolen from the American people.
im in the same boat as you right now, not ready to make a decision on this yet because I want to see how it plays out. I am pissed about it, but like some other people have been saying, he could have done this as a "im not all talk" style move. The whole "line in the sand" thing by Obama could have made this a situation where they had to call Trump's bluff on his seriousness. I guess we will need to wait and see how he plays it.
Id be shocked if more than a small subset of liberals were actually for this. Id say the vast majority are either against or don't know what to think but lean against because we sure as shit don't want the "Boss Baby" in charge of it.
Id be shocked if more than a small subset of liberals were actually for this. Id say the vast majority are either against or don't know what to think but lean against because we sure as shit don't want the "Boss Baby" in charge of it.
I don't think so. But I don't mean the real liberals. Those exist and never were pro-war. I'm talking about "liberals" - the CNN crowd, sharia-loving "feminists" with the pink hats, establishment Democrats, etc. Somehow, during the Obama years, they managed to turn the term "liberal" to mean "neocon".
Are you calling yourself a sheep here too, since you fell for Trump? I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that maybe one lesson you should learn from your mistake is that people can be wrong without being "sheep."
Why are your friends praising this? I honestly don't know why the media and liberal people think this strike was a good idea? There wasn't even a reddit meltdown about it. I thought it was going to totally blow up in Trump's face.
I did too. It's up to us to MEME war this shit out. Right/Left is always controlled, a spectacle to get us riled up while they continue the same war bullshit.
The meme war did not get Trump into office. Rich 63 year old white people in the suburbs cared nothing about the meme war. They wanted lower taxes and fewer brown people.
Hehe my name is to troll Russian alarmists. I am a mere meme farmer, based in the good old USA. I saw with my own eyes as Pepe was branded as a hate symbol after seeing him on 4chan for years.
I can't believe people like this post in this subject. You are a mainstream shill. Hurrrrrr Republicans all old white men. They elected Trump. Hurrrrrr
They really wanted that 5%+ tax back they are paying for the AHCA. I imagine they aren't too thrilled how this is turning out either unless they had stock in the right companies.
A 72 year old woman I know goes on Facebook everday. She accused me of being brainwashed by the liberal media when I made legitimate points against Trump.
That's what a minority of us have been screaming about. They 1% want us infighting so we are distracted from the real scam happening all around the world. It's not just limited to United States.
I say we take the route the Bernie crowd is going, we need to secure dominance in local politics, work on up to state level and eventually we may have the force to change things at a national level. This is the only hope we have beyond going full Rambo and I truly hope it doesn't turn violent.
These zionists don't control local politics, we can get good people, our people inside these offices, we should never expect a president to make our lives better, they are never for the people.
Local elections are important, but if you want control over our military (foreign policy) then you need to win the presidency. Bernie almost did it with a 2 year campaign and without public knowledge of DNC/Clinton corruption & lies.
Now that progressives know that going through the Democratic Party is a dangerous waste of time (they literally wasted 6 years of our lives (2 years campaign + at least 4 years of a Trump presidency) we will have a much better shot at putting together a grassroots movement for 2020 because the innovators / early adopters won't be building up a Democrat's campaign.
Join me at /r/New_Movement as we work on putting together a 3 year viral campaign. We want to roughly this first year of Trump's presidency to scout out hopefuls for 2020 and select the best/most electable one. And then we hit social / grassroots hard.
Socialism? Where did I say anything about that philosophy? I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about here. Who's a socialist? I can't name a single person that's a socialist... and definitely no American politicians in office that I can name.
In case you're unaware, Bernie is not a socialist.
If you think Bernie isnt a globalist stooge, but Trump is, you are part of the problem
I didn't volunteer and donate to Bernie's campaign because I think he's my hero (he's not) or that he's uncorruptable (he's not). I supported Bernie because of the POLICIES he was promoting. Unfortunately, our policy choices were artificially limited in 2016 when the DNC cheated him and his campaign.
"ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM"
"ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS NATIONAL SOCIALISM"
"ITS NOT COMMUNISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISM"
Ah yes, because higher taxes on the middle class, more regulations, more government bureaucracy is obviously the way to grow the middle class and stop government corruption.
"ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS NATIONAL SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT COMMUNISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISM"
Huh?
Ah yes, because higher taxes on the middle class
Maybe you should read this...
An individual in the lower-middle income range taking in $23,430 would take a 7.6 percent hit, with their checks falling from $751 to $694.
A middle-income earner now taking in $36,200 a year – placing them in 50th percentile, when looking at 2015’s wage data – would see an 8 percent reduction, with their bi-weekly income slumping from $1,131 down to $1,040. Someone in the 75th percentile, with an annual salary of $58,900, would be hit with a 7.9 percent reduction.
High-income earners are set to be hit the hardest, with Americans with an annual salary of $92,110 seeing their checks fall from $2,609 to $2,391 – a whopping 8.3 percent ($218) drop in their bi-weekly pay.
Study history. Hitler was a (((National Socialist))). Throwing a qualifier infront of Socialism doesnt change what it is - a dictatorial collectivist government that forces its citizens to buy government run healthcare. How about instead of forcibly taking away our money we generate through our labour, we get to decide where that money goes rather than being forced to surrender it.
The idea of income itself is unconstitutional and violates the non-aggression principle. The government does not have the right to take away money exchanged between a private business owner and a private citizen working for that business.
There is nothing dictator-like about Americans democratically electing a president they voted for and that president pushing policies through that the people who voted for him supported. There is no 'force' to that whatsoever. And I'm still not sure what you're talking about. We already both agree (I assume since you didn't respond to my comment) that Bernie's policies would be saving the middle class $$ so what's the issue?
we get to decide where that money goes rather than being forced to surrender it
Exactly. That's democratic socialism.
The idea of income itself is unconstitutional and violates the non-aggression principle.
Speaking of income, as automation becomes even more productive we will continue losing even more jobs. We will need basic income if our society does not adapt.
The government does not have the right to take away money exchanged between a private business owner and a private citizen working for that business.
By that logic a government does not have the right to do anything. Would you prefer anarchy? How about I stab you in the eye? I hope you're cool with that because I'm going to do it anyway.
we get to decide where that money goes rather than being forced to surrender it
Exactly. That's democratic socialism.
No, what I am talking about is not being taxed on our income in the first place. What you are talking about is forced wealth redistribution. Youll never be able to control what the government does with your tax money. It will always be wasted in bureaucracy. Instead of giving away 20% of my money to the government, freedom is being able to choose how I save or spend that 20% of my income.
"By that logic a government does not have the right to do anything. Would you prefer anarchy? How about I stab you in the eye? I hope you're cool with that because I'm going to do it anyway."
The income tax is a recent event. This country was set up to have a small government that runs purely off of border taxes/tarrifs. Once the government started taxing income and sales tax, thats when freedom died and the free market became no longer free
Youll never be able to control what the government does with your tax money
You can vote.
The income tax is a recent event. This country was set up to have a small government that runs purely off of border taxes/tarrifs. Once the government started taxing income and sales tax, thats when freedom died and the free market became no longer free
We have the freedom to make a better country and society. But we can't do it when our two-party system prohibits us from having real choice in our elections.
First you say we can vote, then you say it doesnt matter because of the two party system, while also supporting a socialist who wants even bigger government.
Please, try to start a legal business and youll see what I mean.
Im sure we agree on alot of issues. Im mostly a libertarian, but unfortunately even the libertarian candidate this election cycle was a globalist shill.
I figured you were a libertarian. Well my primary goal is to get in a candidate who would push to end FPTP... I hope you join me in that push. If your libertarian candidate does the same thing and has a better chance to win I'll vote for him or her as well. After that, when we really have no motive to vote against our interests, it will be game on though ;)
dude, I hope you have that moment when you realize you are a useful idiot for the aristocracy. when a company like walmart exploits labor to the extreme and pays zero taxes, its a problem.
dude, I hope you realize that I am against corrupt multinational corporations buying off politicians to shut down competition and rig regulations in their favour. I hope you realize the regulations you want only affect small to medium sized businesses which disable the lower class from ever rising up and competing with the elites.
Have you ever opened a business? I have. Its fucking ridiculous the amount of red tape, taxes, and regulatory bullshit hoops you must jump through to simply sell something legally online. Once you try to start a business you will see why TRUE free market capatalism is so important to allow the middle class to grow and thrive.
I am against CRONY captalism/socialism, the system we have now. Multinational corporations such as WalMart lobby for this current system so people like you and me can never create our own businesses and rise up.
Again, the issue is not WalMart itself. The issue is that we give the government the power to allow multinational corporations to lobby for rigged laws. Take away the power from the government, and the multinational corporations will not be able to buy off politicians. Thats how you level the playing field. The issue is excessive governmental power, not businesses.
Local elections pave the path to national influence. There is no quick fix.
Now that progressives know that going through the Democratic Party is a dangerous waste of time (they literally wasted 6 years of our lives (2 years campaign + at least 4 years of a Trump presidency)
This is not something that progressives know but rather something people who do not pay attention to the right things might come to misconstrue.
We have seen (or at least can see if we choose to look) that local coordinated action leads to empowerment at national level. It's laughable that you're looking at 2 and 4+ years though and feeling your time has been wasted. You're an order of magnitude off on realistic time frames for a solid foot hold as a political faction that cannot be ignored and must be reckoned with on the national level. 20 years would be an astoundingly rapid entrenchment (although not entirely implausible in the context of contemporary technology); 40 is more realistic.
Unless you don't go through one of the established main parties, in which case, you should expect it will take much much longer.
How it's done is localized networks are built to cooperate together to get their candidate on the local ticket in "reliable constituencies", starting small and expanding to bigger elections as your network, pool of candidates with local experience, and your block's influence all grow together. The initial focus is on the primaries in winnable constituencies.
Taking over primaries is not that hard. They don't draw many voters and they can often entail 3+ candidates giving a huge advantage to any organized block of voters. The more candidates splitting and fracturing the field in a primary, the more effective a block of voters are in getting their pick onto the ticket.
This is why Evangelicals and the religious right have an outsized voice in the Republican Party. They dominate local town hall meetings which tend to be sparsely attended, they pick out a single candidate for primaries and they support that candidate, they canvas for them, get on the phone for him, raise funds for them and then they go to the primary and they vote for them.
And note that the end result is that Republicans fear being primaried in many constituencies far more than they fear a Democrat taking their seat. Even gerrymandered seats are not safe for individual Republicans. They might be safe for the party but individuals will find themselves primaried off the ticket if they do not please their Evangelical masters in the constituencies that they control.
But it took them decades to get to this point and they got there using the established parties and starting small, (school boards were an important early target for instance). Not through by-standing until voting day, or even just volunteering passively to achieve the party aims, but by participating as an organized block and ultimately transforming their constituencies into ones where anyone carrying out the party aims is carrying out their aims. Organized blocks are very effective when they employ the simple strategy of persistently out participating everyone else as an organized single block.
The two main parties have huge resources and it will always be quicker and easier to subvert one of them than to out compete them starting from nothing. But it cannot be done merely through voting or even passively volunteering after all the decisions have been made. You gain a dominant voice in a party by forming an organized block and out participating all other comers. It's a long haul, but for a stable entrenched influence, there is no quick fix.
But it took them decades to get to this point and they got there using the established parties and starting small, (school boards were an important early target for instance). Not through by-standing until voting day, or even just volunteering passively to achieve the party aims, but by participating as an organized block and ultimately transforming their constituencies into ones where anyone carrying out the party aims is carrying out their aims. Organized blocks are very effective when they employ the simple strategy of persistently out participating everyone else as an organized single block.
The two main parties have huge resources and it will always be quicker and easier to subvert one of them than to out compete them starting from nothing. But it cannot be done merely through voting or even passively volunteering after all the decisions have been made. You gain a dominant voice in a party by forming an organized block and out participating all other comers. It's a long haul, but for a stable entrenched influence, there is no quick fix.
I agree with most of your points with politics from the start of our country until 2017. Why is it different now? It's different because of access to information and social media. It's also different because Americans have never witnessed corruption (and zero accountability for lies) at the level we saw via WikiLeaks and James Comey. Voters were deceived at every turn.
Now many of us know better, thankfully. The only problem is that we have no candidate. That's the first step. We need to start scouting around for decent candidates and once we find one or a few by the end of the year (hopefully) we'll have 3 years to run a campaign. We will get into the debates. And we will force Democrats & other previous Bernie supporters that voted Clinton to join us. If they don't then Trump will get reelected. If Trump is really as scary as Reddit would have you believe then it would be scary not to take this movement seriously :) #BernieOrBust was given as an option in 2016. They chose bust. Will they choose bust again?
Who are you talking about? Bernie? Who cares. I never cared about the candidate. I cared about honesty, record, and policy, but most of all I cared about our democracy. It sucked to watch our democracy get subverted without accountability (unless you call Hillary losing holding them accountable, which it kind of is). He can join or not it makes no difference to me as long as we find someone decent.
We have seen (or at least can see if we choose to look) that local coordinated action leads to empowerment at national level. It's laughable that you're looking at 2 and 4+ years though and feeling your time has been wasted. You're an order of magnitude off on realistic time frames for a solid foot hold as a political faction that cannot be ignored and must be reckoned with on the national level. 20 years would be an astoundingly rapid entrenchment (although not entirely implausible in the context of contemporary technology); 40 is more realistic.
I agree with much of what you say. I will observe that the highlighted observation seems to miss the a major demographic change in our country. As the Boomers age and die, influence will spread rapidly to younger generations, especially the Millennials. They will benefit for the same reason Boomers did; they are legion.
I expect domestic political Change to happen at an accelerating rate for the next 10 years. This will include a major realignment of the coalitions and issues. If Donald Trump is impeached, this will happen sooner.
It takes time because you need to build a candidate base. This is also why small local elections are good.
By the time you promote candidates to state level elections, they should have been vetted in the public eye, they should have experience dealing with politics both in social terms (dealing with individuals to get things done) and structural terms (they should have an idea how government works, how the law works in broad strokes etc), and they should have a history of actually doing what is intended of them once you've gotten them elected.
When you have a pool of candidates you can rely on who can win elections, you can take more risks. If you have 50 candidates elected and one has a public humiliation it won't end the movement, if one goes rogue it won't completely demoralize the movement, if one falls on their face and fails spectacularly due to lack of competence in government, it won't discredit the movement entirely. But if you only have half a dozen elected people in place, just one screwing up in a highly visible way can screw up the whole movement. Reps on the school board screwing up don't have the same impact.
So the initial build up is slow - the movement has to identify and essentially train candidates to form the core of the movement's politicians - people who can win elections, won't bring scandal on the movement before it's established its credibility and won't screw up or turn on the movement and do the opposite of what they were supported to do. That takes time.
Hed just fold and do whatever tptb wanted. Like he folded and supported Hillary even though she cheated to win the nomination. If he really was the way out, he would have fought till the end.
He did fight to the end. Were you unconscious during the primaries where everyone was saying he was embarrassing himself by not conceding earlier? He supported Clinton to avoid THIS. Holy shit you sound so dumb.
Tell me more about how he faught till the end for his values and then rolled over and endorsed a candidate who contradicts those same values.
Why do i care what other people say about him? Those same people said Trump had 0 chance of winning and were clearly wrong about that.
Mabye im not getting it but usually fighting to the end includes not partnering up with your opponent at the end of the "fight" and selling out your supporters.
Except he rightfully saw a future where Trump would be an awful president. So it was either team up with his opponent, or allow someone that would walk all over legal citizens rights, sell out the American peoples privacy, allow the corporatism of the GoP to run completely rampant and unfettered, and waste millions upon millions of taxpayer money on golf weekends (party of fiscal responsibility LUL).
I just love love love love love that you are going to take some kind of purist stand against Sanders for attempting to make lemonade out of lemons, while Trump has been actively ass raping middle America since being sworn in and you are completely silent on all those points. Well you know what! Good for you for being more in favor of someone that will put a boot on your neck than someone that will step aside when its sensible to.
I've made a fuck load of money in the stock market and stand to make a great deal more.
The economy is surging ahead at almost 1990's rates and my bonuses at work are starting to reflect it.
My neighbor(s) wages will increase as the illegals get sent home as they are over represented in construction jobs. This will increase the likelihood that our street gets cleaned up and houses are better maintained which increases my property value.
Trump & co. are maneuvering to end the illegal housing authority practices put in place by Obama that retarded the housing market for the last 8 years. Maybe the 15/30-year fixed rate mortgage won't be destroyed flushing The American Dream down the toilet like Obama planned on.
Maybe I'll be able to move this decade and buy a bigger house for my family. Right now we have too many people in our too small starter house.
290,000 new jobs created last quarter - 180,000 more than expected (given a Obameconomy).
DeVos in charge of education means returning sanity to it. She's already started cleaning up the time-bomb of Obama's disaster-designed student loan programs. If she gets vouchers and charter schools pushed through as a parent/student right then I can take my kids out of the fucking awful public schools in this area and have them receive a decent education for at least part of their lives. Maybe by the time my grandkids are in college the federal student loan program will still exist as long as we don't allow any Demofuckheads destroy it between now and then.
The ACA marginally affects me because I have a high income but it fucks over people like my step-sister and a kid I'm helping out. My step-sister is a teenaged leukemia survivor which has left her crippled but she works so her income now tosses her out of the medicaid program but there are no affordable ACA plan on the independent markets. The kid I'm helping out is effectively an orphan; his father died when he was young but his mom was an engineer until she got in car accident and got jacked up by that, addicted to pills, and is now a full drug addict. He turned 18 and got a job and needed to file his taxes and had no idea how to do it. He had to pay an ACA fine on his $6,000 earnings because he wasn't exempt because his mom gets disability benefits.
So when you ask herp-derp what has Trump done for youz!?!?
The answer is everyfuckingthing Obama didn't and he's only 4 months in.
"Hope and change" my goat-ass.
So in 8 years the stock market went up from 7000 to over 18000 when Obama left office. And you say you made A Fuck Load of money because it went up another 2000 since Trump? Hmm! Jobs were coming back despite what you heard from Trump. Car companies were already planning to bring manufacturing here long before Trump. But you go ahead and give credit to Trump. Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president. But you go ahead. Give credit to Trump. As far as the ACA goes, it definitely needs help or revamping which is what your republican MAJORITY tried to do and couldn't. Why I wonder. Freedom Caucus? So "My Bonuses", wages "Will" increase, maybe "I'LL" be able to buy another house. The ACA affects "ME". "MY" step sister. "MY" "MY" "ME", "ME", "ME". The housing market bubble? Was the result of predatory lending by the Wall Street scumbags that are now working under Trump. Bubble was the result of, let me see, Bush? Jobs created LAST QUARTER? It was because of Trump? REALLY? I could give a rat's ass about people addicted on drugs. Not "MY" problem. "I", there it is again, that "ME" syndrome, made a fuck load of money in stock market and you still live in a starter home? Dude, where I live, the housing market is crazy. Condos and homes have been going up in record numbers for the past eight years. The prices are going up because of demand and a good job market. Not because of that fucking moron Trump. Don't misunderstand what a Charter School is. They have their benefits. BUT, I repeat, BUT, they are independent PUBLIC schools. They teach in their own ways. Transportation would be left to parents, which I think is a good thing. Fuck those buses transporting kids to get an education. They will not have the same resources. They don't follow government regulations. Fuck 'em if they can't hire good teachers. Fuck those kids being taught by people with no teaching certificate. Fuck 'em if they have no resources and good facilities. I understand you have dreams. That's good. Good for "YOU"..but I have to say; the American Dream is not there like when "I" was growing up. Jobs were plentiful, wages were good but not great for the "working" person. People were able to buy a home on a salary of 30,000 a year in those days. Now that kind of money can barely buy a car. The future looks bright for "YOU" and "YOUR" kids and "YOUR" grandchildren, good for "YOU". I am 62 and have never accepted a fucking dime from government. Sent my kid to Catholic school in a different town from where I live, paid for his education, and still paying, while still paying taxes to support the public schools in my area. Never once did I bitch about it. One more point on ACA and the independent market. How sure are you that it would work, that it will drive costs down? How sure are you that insurance companies won't charge even more even if there is competition? Look at what's happened to our industry. It has gone to China, Taiwan, India, Mexico. I can go on but it won't make a difference. "YOU" have your own set of values, you have your beliefs that Trump will fix everything and turn this into a Shangri-la. I have my own set of beliefs and values. I don't see it your way. Trump will not do anything to make our country even remotely great. He will be part of the problem. Drain the swam my ass. Look at Price, Mnuchin the rat, his Wall Street gurus, and yes even DeVos. Read about them and you'll find that it's all not peaches and cream like you want to think. It's one thing to be blind, it's another to have no vision.
Make sure to read this guys comments. They are all uncited yet authoritative stances on nuanced subjects that he displays no understanding of.
Yesterday he was telling me how no VPN can provide any measure of privacy but he was confusing and making up terms the entire time.
Lo and behold, he's posting dumb bullshit every else today. Authoritative and uncited. He's full of shit. I run an IT business and can tell you that what he posted here is almost certainly completely bullshit, and what he's posted about technology is beyond bullshit and just imaginary and paranoid.
No he didn't. He made an agreement before he ran to concede the primary to Hillary before the convention.
That why, despite saying publicly he would, he didn't run until the convention and dropped out and concede victory to her.
He never put on his big boy boxers and stood up to the DNC. He never mentioned how the preliminaries were rigged against him. Not once did he lash out about the corrption that took place. He tucked his tail between his legs, supported Hillary, and trashed Trump. He trashed Trump even when it was obvious he was doing it partisan reasons.
Bernie lost this voter's vote. I question whether or not he was a plant from the very beginning.
None of this even fucking matters because the election is over. The only thing that is factually relevant to this discussion is that he was the only candidate that was advocating for us to stop being the world police. I mean to be fair Trump did say that too but its just another one of his ever growing list of lies.
So you bring up an example about the primaries, and then when someone else does the same you say it doesn't matter because the election is over? Ridiculous.
It doesn't ever "end". Bernie understands that you don't get anywhere in politics if you burn all your bridges (especially as the sole Independent member of Congress), and just as he's done his entire career, he's continued to fight for you and I every day since the election ended. Would it really have done anyone better if he had refused to support the only veritable opposition to the Trump Trainwreck?
We're all better off with him playing the long game to transform the political landscape as opposed to making enemies in Congress and among the already-fractured left as a whole over events that have already transpired (even if some of those people are corporatists, traitors, or just plain ignorant). He's continuing to do his job despite it being a thankless, merciless, uphill battle. You just can't solve all your political woes by choosing unwavering pride and what's morally and technically "right" over pragmatism and a firm but patient adherence to your principles.
Im not expecting anyone to burn bridges but you can endorse without selling out your values. Spend months saying how shes unfit to be president and then say how great of one she will make. Sounds like your average typical politician to me. Shit half the republican party still have issues "endorsing" trump per say and he didnt even collude against them with the party.
Plus who knows what would have happened. He could have won the presidency (slim chance) or he could have kept enough voters from swinging over to trump out of disgust for the party to let Hillary win because shes apparently so "popular" across America.
The thing is though, Bernie isn't the kind of politician to play the "character" game unless the person is legitimately unfit to hold public office by way of character, policy, or qualification (like Trump), and as far as I can recall, he went out of his way to try to shift the conversation away from the "damn emails" and personal attacks toward the policies that actually affect American citizens on a daily basis. He never came out and said "this person is unfit" until Trump was a legitimate threat, and only about Trump. He obviously disagreed with Clinton on several issues, but he didn't make some kind of transparent 180 endorsement like Ted Cruz did, and as much as it might pain people to say, she has been in politics for years and knows a hell of a lot more about what she's doing (even if she does shitty things in positions of power) than Donald ever will, and would be preferable to the current administration despite her shortcomings. Shit, Donald's "qualification" was that he wasn't qualified apparently, because he isn't a politician; what kind of bullshit is that?
On top of that, Bernie never did sell out his values. His campaign worked with Clinton and the DNC to get several progressive policies installed in the Clinton campaign's mission statement. Would it have made a difference in her day-to-day policies if she had been elected? Who knows, but he DID try to make sure her campaign was palatable to progressives, and he did try to make sure that SOMEONE had a chance at beating Trump. In the end, Clinton was just bad enough a candidate and one enshrined in so much controversy that she lost to a complete shitbird, albeit one taking advantage of peoples' ignorance, fear, and need for a sense of renewed hope.
That said, I don't think there was any scenario where Bernie could have won after the primary season or done something different to sway the results of the election. If he didn't concede his primary loss, the vote would have been split. If he did, I can't say with much certainty it would have ended much differently; I don't know if enough people would vote for an independent candidate for president in the current dichotomy, even if it's Bernie. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day, the Democratic Party and Trump (and his various handlers) are 100% at fault for this loss, and despite him and everyone else in this country being fucked over, Bernie's still fighting for us with the same values and fervor he always has.
Maybe too beta? But with no baggage. Clinton was bullied. She had not one response to Trump. She cowered like a puppy. Would never have happened to Bernie. He was able to relay his message on issues that affect Americans unlike Trump who could not respond to any one issue except MAGA or Build a Wall or Mexicans are rapists or deport Muslims. Trump would not have stood a chance with Bernie. BTW, as we are learning now, the republicans picked the wrong candidate. If they stuck to their values they would have picked Kasich.
Bernie was controlled opposition from the start. On top of that when he talks about any of the issues he only appeals to emotions. Many of the things he wants to do are more about increasing government welfare and hurr durr taxing the 1% because, get this: He wants them to pay their fair share.
So many people pay more taxes than Bernie. He is just an ignorant communist. The guy hasn't done much in his whole life and wasn't even getting a steady pay check until in his later 30s. That attitude reflects by what he supports and by his inability to get anything done.
You need to see the other side of this. Trump appealed to emotions of Fascists and an Aryan base that believe only they belong here or the country belongs to them. What are some of the things that Trump wants to do? He selects Wall Street scumbags who are pushing and changing laws to line their pockets. He accused Hillary of this. He selected a man who wants to "Deconstruct" the State. He accused Obama of this ( "I inherited a great big mess.") What a pussy he is. He selects his son-in-law to run most government agencies. In my book that's called a monarchy, or an Authoritarian government. He selects a man who is literally giving companies the right to poison people with pesticides and coal run-off that would pollute water. He selects a national security adviser who was in bed with Putin (Flynn). You remember him? He said he doesn't "care" about his business because running the country is "so" much more important to him. He has taken, from you too, over 60 million in tax dollars to play golf. 130 thousand a day for his wife's protection. In only three months. He selected a man (Tom Price) another scumbag who made triple his money on a biotech firm that he invested in. You think Trump is looking out for YOU? What about all the lies? What of the accusing the Intelligence community of wrong doing? How about the Flynn's collusion with Putin? Shall I go on? I don't think you have that kind of time on your hands. But please do tell me. Between Sanders and Trump, who has made life better for you? How has your life changed? Have you profited from the "Swamp" being drained? Have you profited from anything Trump has done? Emotions? That's total BS! And please don't go there, that Trump has created more jobs than Obama. Or that more companies are investing here because of THAT Fuckhead in the White House! Please don't. Good luck to you! The way things are going we're all going to need it. Please DO NOT respond to this.
I don't believe the worst of everything. What I did say is that Trump, with HIS false narrative was pandering mostly to his base which was extreme right wing. He knew it and I think you know it too. Never said that you are a Fascist, only that he was thinking of them when he spewed his BS. But you look back at the campaign he ran. Lock her up. Build a wall. Drain the swamp. Deport Mexicans. Ban Muslims, and so many others. Who does that appeal to? Did not appeal to me for sure. I saw what he is about. He's thin skinned. A coward. A narcissist. A jerk who has not accomplished anything positive.
I would like to know what radio station you listen to. What cable news you watch. I would like to know why you think that the mainstream media is so "dishonest". And what do you consider mainstream. Just curious.
A lot of us got burned by this, not just you, so don't feel too bad. I personally feel like we're fucked if we do fucked if we don't honestly. No matter what puppet they put in office the same people will always be pulling the strings.
I'm in the same boat as you. I honestly feel pretty ashamed of myself. I keep falling for the same lies over and over again! I was a huge Obama supporter in 2008 for the same reason (I thought he was anti-war). I guess the upside is that now we'll know to never trust politicians again.
Being anti-war and being stuck with a war you didn't start are two different things. One of the big reasons that many many people didn't want to invade Iraq and all that other bullshit that W created was for the very reason that it would obviously be an unending quagmire. You can't just do a quick regime change and then go back to normal. It was a neo-con fantasy, if any of the people making the decisions ever believed it at all. As much as I didn't want military action to continue, Obama tried to limit it with drone strikes (for better or for worse). To a certain degree, Trump is stuck with some of the same pre-exisintg problems, only he lacks the intelligence or morality to make the proper decisions. We're fucked.
August 31, 2013: "President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress." link
If Bush was the iron fist, then Obama was the velvet glove. That's how the two-party duopoly works.
Obama's job was to let off some of the pressure that was building against the elites. He did that perfectly. He didn't "change" anything... he just made it more palatable for the liberals.
Where the people were rising up against the murder of foreigners in their own homes, Obama got them to support it by saying "but it could be worse!". He played the good cop to Bush's bad cop. Same team, different game plan.
The are of us than there are them. Independents need to set aside their leanings, and work together with the shit we do agree on, ie money in politics, the perpetual war, and the influence of state and media. The tide will be turning in the coming years, when the old guard passes. Take back our government from the ground up.
It happens. I got conned up by Obama in 2008 because I didn't want psycho McCain or corrupt Hillary and he seemed to be the outsider. It was good because it helped wake me up but it also made me lose faith in the system.
Our problem is that the constitution gives a low, unequal level of representation to people. Our problem is that there is no provision for a state to leave the union even if it democratically elects to do so, the precedent is to go to war. That means we have no pretense of a federation of independent states, we are an empire. Finally a pet peeve with the constitution is the exception to the ban on slavery, and the subsequent leasing of government slave labor to private industry as a source of cheap labor with no rights (https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=73).
You can't vote to change those things. You don't have the representation. You can go on strike, maybe. You can organize in your community. You can participate online. You can minimize your economic contribution to a corrupt system.
We can have beneficial, representative government, because many hands make light work. We just have to all put in a little work to set things right in our own way. Check out people like Ralph Nader, Robert Reich, and Larry Ellison for great examples to follow.
Or would the deep state just flex its arm to keep anybody in that position in line?
bingo. You can vote D or R all you want.you can even go green but same shit will continue. Even Jill stein or Jonson will have to do speeches post mid east attacks they campaign against.
I was taken aback at first, but after doing some reading I think you may be overestimating the attack. If (I'll get you a big IF) Assad did this, he had to be given a message and this also puts a kink into the Trump is a puppet of Russia narrative. If Assad didn't do this, a base that apparently contains chemical weapons was heavily bombed with apparently no civilian losses and maybe just minimal military losses. If hillary or jeb or whoever was president, we would be starting a conflict with Russia right now.
Well, I'll trust the administration at this point, since there were obviously still chemical weapons there whether it was false flag/isis/assad/etc. I said I'm not necessarily in full agreement, but bombing a chemical weapon base seems less destructive than a war with Russia right now
Where the fuck do you get that there where chemical weapons. Point me to one place where the administration says there where chemical weapons on that base.
The fact that I had to scroll down 4-5 pages to find your post that's 6min old (and doesn't really even belong here) should be a good indication why throwing your support towards any of those people is not often something that has meaningful rewards.
Broaden your vision instead of staring into blinding light.
He didn't 'trick' them. They wanted to believe in him, so they did. He lied constantly, can not speak coherently, is a mean, sick, bigoted bastard, and for some reason, these people LOVED that.
The policy of selling state secrets to foreign nations? Or the policy of locking up black super-predators? Or the policy of illegally shipping drugs, Iran-contra? Or the policy of harvesting Haitian organs?
Hillary heads or hubby heads the most corrupt criminal organization in the world. The clinton foundation. I would never, ever, vote for a clinton or anyone who has anything to do with them.
How so? Because she signed off on a weapons deal that like 9 other agencies had sign off on and had been done in the past? Or because literally 1% of her meetings were with donors that wasn't directly government business? (And AP's actual example was with a friggin Nobel Prize winner). Or because of all the shitloads of serious charity work they do around the world?
Seems pretty inefficient. I'd take my bribing money elsewhere.
I'm not saying they were perfect or that the Clintons do anything to avoid this rubbing elbows image or even actuality, but the idea that this was a money laundering bribery scam is just childish. Especially when Trump's charity was, in fact a total bullshit money laundering scam. (Very low level, but it sure as shit wasn't a legit charity)
That's just one. Hillary is the head. You can place blame where ever you want. She got 145 million from a guy who "usted" to be in the industry. Then the deal happened.
I get it. You are stupid. You need Hillary to be directly bribed before your sheep 🐑 mind can understand it just happened.
But it happened. Just not in a manner that meets your expectations. Go live in your flowery pretend happy world. I live in the real one.
Your not going to get a picture of clinton snorting a line of coke, fucking a kid, slitting a boys throat (tribute to murloch), sitting with all the worlds leaders handing her money.
Some folks have ended up pretty far up their own asses with the idea that Hillary is the most powerful person in the world. She's now lost two presidential elections, including one where she got millions more votes.
Hell, the Democrats couldn't even fill a Supreme Court vacancy.
He used charity money to buy a painting of himself, crashed an AIDS fundraiser without donating, and made a fake school to rob people of their savings, etc etc.
I thought it was obvious other people weren't his concern.
Arguing with Trump supporters feels like arguing with your grandma who's been writing checks to Nigerian scammers. I have a modicum of pity, but JESUS CHRIST GRANDMA WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS STOP WRITING CHECKS YOU'RE BEING PLAYED A FOOL.
If I tell grandma it's a scam, and the scammers back up my claims with both their words and my actions, and grandma still writes a check, her opinion that I'm being disrespectful is irrelevant.
If you have any hope of convincing someone by being disrespectful, you are deceiving yourself. It is very relevant. Yet liberals still wonder why the stupid inbred fucktard conservatives don't follow their advice.
I do hope your grandma finds someone capable of enough compassion to convince her not to scam away her money though
If you have any hope of convincing someone by being disrespectful, you are deceiving yourself. It is very relevant. Yet liberals still wonder why the stupid inbred fucktard conservatives don't follow their advice.
I do hope your grandma finds someone capable of enough compassion to convince her not to scam away her money though
Considering he was on the ballot and won an election it is hard to deny that he was a legitimate choice. His primary race wasn't even very competitive. He was a legit candidate and he won. The issue is that we live in a country where the race for the highest office is a popularly contest between two people that the media preordains.
Critical thinking needs to be taught in school more if you thought DONALD TRUMP was actually a legit choice for the presidency.
We're trying, a major part of Common Core is to teach critical thinking and force different groups to do projects researching "opposing viewpoints". Sadly, common core was marketed so poorly everyone thinks it's garbage and confuses it with "no child left behind".
There are 3 most likely reasons for the events behind the gas attack, yet posters here act like there are only 2.
Option 1. Assad gassed his own people on purpose. Makes very little sense as many posters here have shown why.
Option 2. False Flag. Someone framed Assad to make it look like he gassed his own people to bring a international respsone. Makes a lot of sense, but that's not enough to be considered proof so we still need to keep an open mind.
Option 3. Assad had no idea chemical weapons were stored at the targets location. Call it a "accidental gassing" if you will, but this is the one that makes the most sense to me. He could still have been set up by other parties, but he was the one who sent the airstrikes so he bears responsibility for it.
Until someone can adequately explain those pictures of the White Helmets rescuing sarin gas victims without wearing adequate medical protection, then I will continue to assume it's a false flag.
Wouldn't it be a crazy chess move if we shifted our forces back into greater Iraq and Russia started their campaign in Syria again? Keeps the Russians busy... keeps power elite happy... we are cleaning up our own mess... and they will eventually throttle Assad into either stepping down or accepting the pipeline terms that sparked this whole mess.
I wouldn't let the feeling get over logic, people on this sub should too.
Russian's reaction to the bombing is... pretty calm so far. And Trump was meeting Xi of China when this happened. I think all parties are pretty acknowledged before hand. Let's give it a few days to see how it plays out.
But like I predicted, globalists or nationalists, all flavors of elites want war, as they all benefit from them.
Russian's reaction to the bombing is... pretty calm so far.
This gives me a lot of hope. My own convoluted conspiracy theory was that Russia did the false flag attack, triggering US to react which would lead to Russian troops getting hurt and Russia using this to enter WW3 or take more steps to get closer.
If all they're saying right now is "America did a stupid thing", that defeats my conspiracy theory and we're not going to have WW3 yet. That's really 99% of what I give a shit about. Fuck who gets the pipeline going, I just don't want to see a war that will shake the world under a nuclear holocaust.
The thing is, the sub at r/The_Donald, combined with the Meme Wars and the Chans is one powerful voice with the power to Meme someone into office. If we can someone redirect that force into a Third party, or .......something......
America is so fucking important to human society, and those clowns shat all over it for fucking memes.
We were close to having the ultimate neocon war mongering guaranteed ww3 puppet sell out bohemian corporate whore in hillary. I'm not convinced trump is that, because if we all lose then he loses too. I think he got into office and realized everyone/everything around him is all swamp deepstate M.I.C. I just don't know anymore.....it's wait and see for me.
I do know that the Trump voters combined with the Chans can make big things happen, and we need a 3rd party baaaaad
Trump has been taken over. Look at his face and eyes when he held the conference on the syria bombing. That's not the Trump we know. I'm not sure we can directly blame him. The deep state did this.
Something Obama did countless times over his 2 terms, with many more casualties. This isn't some shocking move even though the concern trolls today are out in force, this is a common occurrence for the President of the United States.
Why would being done with Trump mean you support Hillary? Hillary is nothing now, she's not in any position, she's not running for anything. She's completely irrelevant. Why do people insist on always talking about her?
Fuck trump. Fuck Hillary too, and fuck anyone who wanted to go into Syria.
Calm your tits. Presidents butcher people, that's just the way it is. Trump's no different. Fucker lit Yemen up like it was Christmas and now he's got his sights set on Syria. They're all criminals. No one makes it to the top five rungs with clean hands. If we put them all in prison, we wouldn't have a government.
I'm not saying you're wrong. But I am saying the world isn't black and white. We can't have 'good guys' fighting 'bad guys' because the bad guys don't fight fair. So we have to beat them not only at our game, but theirs as well.
:/ It's a fucking shit sandwich, I won't disagree. But we still gotta eat it and wash it down with a harsh dose of reality.
Me too. I was never a huge fan, I definitely knew he wasn't ideal, and in hindsight I guess I should've known better, but this really seals the deal for me. Him, Hillary, hell even Jeb, it's the same bad result either way in the end, just mildly different paths to get there. They're all ultimately against us. I got swept up in the meme-filled Trump fervor, and for that I'm honestly a bit embarrassed, but that's life I guess. Working within a corrupt system will only give us more corruption.
I didn't vote for him because of memes. I voted for him because he said he'd stop getting America into foreign boondoggles, and because Hillary was significantly worse. The memes were icing on the cake.
Any time you stop to think critically about past decisions, you get a gold star. Extra bonus points if you get involved with a solution. Now we have to collectively figure out the solution to making the middle class great again.
dude...this is such a stupid argument...you don't realize that america has a fascistic neocon establishment...that trump is currently fighting but occassionally has too cooperate with...trump is the best possible option deal with it
Crap. After all this, if somehow people find themselves having to choose between the two again, I will honestly take half a year off and just delve heavily into the occult, so I can raise the actual egyptian deity Kek, and I'm not talking about the silly cartoon frog here, no, no. However Pepe the Frogs will fall from the sky as (the real, non-silly) Kek brings another scourge upon the world for this insult on humanity.
People feel a need to say it pre-emptively or they get people coming at them with "you think Hillary would've been better?!", when it's really just a realization that they both make terrible presidents.
There is no way Russia was not involved in the gas attack. They were at the damn airfield that the attack originated from, and right after Trump's smoke-and-mirrors missile attack (which achieved NOTHING) Russia starts pretending to get tough on Trump. Get real, this was all planned and will end in a lifting of sanctions on Russia and a couple thousand dead Syrians
how does that work? Currently there is MORE confrontation so lifting sanctions is completely out of left field.
What's more likely is that people who don't want any agreement between US and Russia orchestrated the attack so that Trump was goaded into using missiles to show that he is not "weak".
Hence more tension between US and Russia, and if US tries to attack and Russia shoots down either missiles or planes that would be another ratcheting up of tension.
sanctions are not even that damaging that they would instigate a chemical attack. Or are you one of THOSE that think Putin and Russia are spawn of evil?
If yes then I have nothing further to talk to you about because that is just plain stupid.
When your entire economy depends on oil, sanctions on oil is very damaging. A chemical attack is exactly what you would make in order to get a lot of publicity, there is no reason to use a chemical attack in today's age, the media will blow it up immediately and will cause a lot of international outrage. They have the weapons to do the same damage without using chemicals, and they did it anyways. Right afterwards all this happens. Everything done under Assad is done under Russia's watchful eye. If you believe otherwise, then you must be dumb and blind. Russians were at that airfield that the attack originated from. It's no coincidence.
the price of oil(and profits) dropped without the sanctions. And gas still flows easily into europe. Sanctions deal mostly with "dual purpose" things, like tech that can be used in weapons.
Saying that sanctions are crippling Russian economy is totally wrong. Yes, there is some damage. Yes it is felt by people. However the biggest damage to the economy was the price drop, a price drop that had absolutely nothing to do with the sanctions.
So this invalidates your reasoning for the attacks. Plus do you think they are really that stupid?
Also there is no logic in your conclusion that somehow this is meant to lift sanctions.
I'm willing to entertain the idea that Putin would be willing to ditch Assad and Russian assets in Syria in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. Naval access to the Mediterranean doesn't do Putin much good if hungry Russians with pitchforks are rioting in Red Square.
Waste of words - this is purely Trumps doing not a response to a false flag. Trump is calling the shots and you are all duped into thinking your votes count for shit
I really only hoped he would destabilise the establishment a bit for a while.
Just enough for the current people who want more confrontation with Russia would not be able to start a war like they probably would have with Clinton in power.
Well...that didn't work.
It's one air strike, Obama sent out tons against Syria during his two terms so lets take a deep breath here before reacting irrationally.
I'm not sure how Trump responding here is the call for WW3 some people are making it out to be. To me it comes across as concern trolling.
At this point what makes the most sense is Syria struck a position where the rebels were hiding chemical weapons, and the weapons went off making a international incident. While not as bad as intentionally "gassing his own people", it's still something that can't go unpunished. It makes sense for Trump to send a retaliatory air strike against the airfield where these strikes originated from to send a message, "If chemical weapons are used we will not stand idly by".
To me, a Bernie supporter and Obama voter in 08, there is no reason to assume Trump has gone full neocon at this point. If the war drums start getting any louder and we actually go to war with Syria over this incident then I'll start believing the hype.
I was swept up in the Obama "Hope and Change" hysteria, the first time. I would have voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries but at the time, I lived in a state that doesn't have open primaries for independent voters. I voted for him a second time because Mitt Romney was useless in giving people, even staunch Republicans, a good reason to vote for him. This last election was terrible because I did NOT want to vote for the witch. I reasoned at least she would be predictable, unlike Donald Trump. We'd get more of the same s*** as we got with Obama; who knows what he will do. I do feel sorry for most Trump voters. Many may have even voted for Obama the first time, given the dissatisfaction with the Republican party for getting us into a needless war and for wrecking the economy.
It's time to realize hysteria doesn't help us at all. I'm not voting in 2020, for anyone. I've voted in every election I could since I was allowed to vote, but now I'm at the point where I'm not falling for the old line that only those who voted have the right to complain about the s***ty state of the Union and the world.
I've been done with the hysterical bullshit for a while and from what I can tell the only people that really want to change the country for the better are sitting on the outside but still running for president because they still believe in democracy even if their chances are slim to none. These are the people that are spending tons of their own money to reach out and raise their voice even when it has the slimmest chances of even doing anything major.
We might not be able to make much of a difference, but you get a vote and you get to tell the country that you hate both bullshit candidates with it. You make a statement that your ass isn't just lazy and staying home and that you're actually politically motivated, but you legitimately think the two candidates are not worth your time. I'd rather them know that I'm one of the 5% of voters who hate their asses, not the lazy ass who "probably would've voted dem if they got their ass out of bed".
Guys, this is conspiracy. There are a million connections between Trump and Russia. This is planned. This comment sums up perfectly what is gonna happen:
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This is just fucking ridiculous. Assad had literally no need to gas the people yet everyone including trump is eating it up
even on the donald subreddit they now have an anti assad stance (trump supporters online at least have been extremely pro assad, anti syria intervention) and they just going with this new narrative
I still trust the left as far as I could throw lena durnham with one hand, but now I am just completely lost because it seems trump is now involved too
One air strike doesn't amount the how much obama and bush were involved in the Middle East. I suggest waiting to see what Trump's plan is before jumping to conclusions.
Wow the amount of tears in this thread is absurd. It's like /politics has fully leaked over into this sub. Which bye why is this in conspiracy? I thought the trump hate was limited to every sub but conspiracy and TD.
Maybe just maybe our president has a plan that we're not privy to? Idk. I'm disappointed in the strike for sure, and preferred a much more isolationist way of thinking militarily, but I don't think Trump is falling for neocon traps. This was a shitty, lose lose situation. Media fed lies about the gas attack, choice was ignore or attack. He was screwed either way.
We all know he is not fully in control of the government. This to me seems a way to lull the deep state until he can lop off its head.
I don't support Trump. He's a politician. I'm not justifying shit. This isn't about my ethical worldview, it's about trying to figure out what occured.
You're also still not arguing anything, you have no concrete claims and no basis for them. You're simply lashing out at me because you don't like Trump and you're misconstruing a theory with a testament of support.
100% with you. This is getting ridiculous. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, and I'm only standing by that more and more. This is the exact same gamelan that Hillary would have ran with if elected...fucking indefensible if you ask me.
I voted for Jill Stein. I knew she wouldn't win and I know that she has some ridiculous positions. The mockery from both sides is funny considering the country ripped itself apart because of how much both candidates were equally hated. I don't regret my vote, this had to happen and I'm glad it happened in 2016 as opposed to 2020, and I'm glad it was a moron as opposed to a smooth talker. I didn't fucking stutter when I said Bernie or bust.
Why is it necessary to say you don't support Hillary just because you have stopped supporting Trump? Not supporting one does not mean supporting the other. Both are despicable.
Sadly our people's revolution will undoubtedly require violence to get anything done. And with such a pacified and pussified population it will never happen. We're approaching a dystopian future and fast.
your onto something OP, he may have sold himself out to the war mongering Neocons, and sided with the crazed murderous psychopath Generals. its biz as usual now, war and more wars, and Trump may have duped his most loyal supporters with this move.
You voted him into power though. You and all the other blindly faithful participants of the "meme wars". He was this person the entire time, he was just selling you lies. He's another other puppet being controlled by the same masters as Hillary, and once again America fell for it.
Thank you for being wise enough to admit when you are wrong. Keep growing as a human and keep learning. It's time to really drain the swamp, Trumps only filled it with alligators.
I was/ am a Trump supporter from day 1, but slowly he has been losing my faith. Now I don't think I am ready to say I am completely done with supporting him yet, because I do want to see how this pans out. For all I know he could be being played himself, (ie: JFK style). But the second he started getting all buddy buddy with Israel on the campaign trail I started getting iffy about my support. I am not making a decision yet, but he is certainly toeing the line right now. What is interesting to see is the almost parallel group think that hit the US after 9/11 going on right now. The people who were once completely against US intervention in the middle east are now up in arms ready to strike, that to me is crazy.
Getting played or not, that still makes a POTUS a puppet in my book. If your presidential ass will do what someone wants because they can trick you, you're just as good as a puppet.
I thought a key element of the whole MAGA plan, was rebuilding America itself domestically, and no longer bombing/invading other countries. What happened to that?
I too am a veteran of the Great Meme War of 2016/17. As a distinguished veteran and accomplished shit poster & upvoter I helped reduce our enemies to rubble. But I NEVER subscribed to the group think which is now overtaking t_d. After the distinguished service they decide to ban me for speaking out against this illegal bombing of Syria which directly contradicts what Trump ran on. It is disgusting and I will make sure agent orange suffers during his reelection and soundly loses. They are losing real people every single day over there on t_d and replacing them with bots.
As bad as it looks, the minimal damage to the airbase and evacuation before the strike does trigger some suspicion. Adding to it is the hardcore supporters like PJW and Ann Coulter are hastily and publicly jumping ship, it's looks somehow like a show.
They have been doing that for a while but when things like last night happen a lot of people get banned because they have no choice.
9 out of 10 ppl in there are not happy he actually dropped bombs last night. But they all lie to eachother to keep the image going.
This time yesterday the entire front page of t_d had nothing but evidence showing the chemical attack was a false flag and that we need to get Trump's attention to show him it was a false flag lmaooo.
Then he drops bombs and a ton of people flipped shit and couldn't believe it. Then their comments started getting deleted and they were getting banned. Then the echo chamber effect kicked in for those who are left and the only consensus allowed now is "our god emperor is playing 9D chess. He killed the Putin narrative and scared the shit out of north korea!"
If Assad had actually gassed his people I would have said that this strike by Trump was actually executed very well. But the bottom line for me is I'd bet my bottom dollar Assad didn't order some small chem strike that would do nothing but make the world call for him to be attacked. Which he was last night.
I don't care how you get here ...just get here. You tired of being ruled by the rich? Ready to really make the country belong to the people and not the corps? I am.
Your first sentence shows what's wrong with the average trump supporter...
This in no way means I support Hillary.
Why is that a thought? You voted for trump for a reason and you are unhappy with what he's doing, period. I voted for Gary Johnson, but a few negative trump comments and people instantly label me a hillary supporter for some reason. There shouldn't be a correlation between the two, especially since the election is long over!
Voice your opinion, you're not locked in to supporting your candidate anymore and blind support for the leader of a country is a terrible thing to have...
I'm fucking hurt. I'm angry. I blame the fucking moderates. But look at who he was 4 years ago, a year ago, and what the government meat grinder has done to him.
It makes me angry. It makes me want the US Government to have literally everyone in it gone, and just to start over. make the globalists work another century to corrupt things again.
I was wondering that myself. Theres alot of non conspiracy stuff today. Some Trump stuff can be tied, but alot today seems to not even be trying to link it to conspiracy
It's a bit ironic that it was so hard to convince this sub that the President of the United States is lying to them.
He said "I'm gonna bomb the shit out of them" as well as "we should have never gone in (to Iraq)" like those don't contradict each other during his campaign
He's not a lier he's a very literal con man, say what the room wants to hear to make a sale. Everyday the lie was new and exciting, that's what made him seem honest next to normal liars like Bernie and Hillary. He lied so much it gave everyone from pacifist to warmonger a statement they could hold onto to vote for him.
I mean Bush was an outsider conservative campaigning on avoiding failed interventions (Clinton in Kosovo) and what happened? He instantly went back on everything he said just like daddy. Literally the only reason I voted Hillary other than the economy was she seemed to genuinely regret the Iraq authorization. I mean she sucks but come on, people died. She's not quite hitler and I'm a damn commie so I don't exactly love the women
Trump supports are the ones responsible for making it a finite decision on 'if you don't support Trump then you support Hillary or Bernie'. You don't have to support anyone the media is pushing for president
You people are just fucking stupid. This is why Trump is one of the smartest out there. He know what's he's doing. None of you understand the level of intellect on the President. SAD.
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.
Its kinda funny, we always knew the president had no sway on congress... Now even the guy from the Apprentice is blowing the military industrial complex
I strongly concur. I too had hoped that, even though he obviously wasn't any kind of "people's hero", he might be just the right type of egomaniac to really fuck up the old cartel. But there's no longer any margin of a chance that he hasn't been bought or blackmailed by the real PTB.
Thank God we have a full-scale civilizational reboot coming by up in this lifetime.
All the people who are done with Trump should record a hit song called "Done With Trump" and then the only people who will be cooler and smarter than them are the sage master-seers who never liked him in the first place.
As someone who saw through Trump but was fooled by Obama--good on you. Admit the mistake and don't get fooled again. Suckering is at the top of a politician's job description whether they're from the Red Plutocrat Party or the Blue Plutocrat Party.
Same. As long is Trump is beginning wars, I will stand against him. If he stops being a warhawk, I will begin to give him the benefit of the doubt again.
The major reason I railed against Hillary was because her war stance on Syria. Now Trump is emulating that same policy.
It's obvious the military-industrial complex allows us no real choice in our 2-party voting system. I'm done pretending.
Agree; have to say, I think many feel the say way. I feel he doesn't have the mental capacity/education/emotional stability (but then I believed this from the start, this isn't NEW) to be POTUS or a politician. Yeah, he knows how to talk shit to "make a deal", but he lacks big time. His backers think he can 'make things better', but IMO, it ain't gonna happen.
Seems like there's a lot of shit in his "closet" (I'm just saying), this is not to say that politicians don't come with a lot of 'baggage'. If anyone is going to be HONEST, they can (at least) admit that most politicians are taking "money under the table" from someone/some corp.
Politics is a scam, far as I'm concerned. HOW long will it take for people to realize that they are being played?
To be fair, none of that matters anymore when it comes to Syria. It obviously doesn't matter who you voted for when it comes to our intervention in Syria.
Something tells me the same people are calling the shots, no matter who wins the election. This is so far from shit he's said before that I have to think he was compromised by a higher power. Maybe the CIA have Trump as their puppet now. Whatever the case, Trump and Hillary probably share the same puppetmaster.
This in no way means I support Hillary or ever will.
Hillary Clinton became irrelevant the moment the election was over. It's sad how now you cannot be critical of Trump without the implication of a Hillary supporter. Maybe before the election the implication could be valid, but now it's now 'Hillary vs Trump', it's 'Trump the President'.
I'm not trying to criticise you for saying you are not a Hillary supporter, I'm just pissed off/disappointed there is an environment where you, especially now, have to declare that before you criticise the government.
Me too. I'm totally an ex-Drumpf supporter. I no longer support Drumpf over an air strike that git nothing and was most likely a diversion or warning to what's happening in Syria.
Trust me, I'm a civilian that gets their information from illegitimate sources. I know what goes on behind closed doors at the White house.
He'll, I can replace that phony Drumpf and run office.
This sub was taken over by Shareblue long before the Syria bombing, but I Was just reminded of that face when browsing today. Can anyone give me a rough timeframe if when that happened?
Ever since the PissGate dossier this sub has been under attack. New mods sealed the deal you can just look at when the mods we added to track it's demise just like every other sub on this website
Many Obama supporters felt the same way after "change you can believe in" became "same shit, different asshole".
It is their new tactic - they know that Old Media and Old Politics isn't selling well anymore, so now they have rebranded.
People like me were warning the Obamabots and the Trumpbots that they were being suckered, but the desire for change blinded them. They were so desperate to believe, that no amount of evidence could change their mind until it was far too late.
The simple fact is, good or bad, if the media is talking about someone, they are promoting them. "There is no such thing as bad publicity". So the more the media attacks or defends someone, the more you can be sure they are beholden to the elites.
It's the people the media refuse to talk about that you should be supporting (or at least considering) - the Ron Pauls and Bernie Sanders... the ones the media tells you have no chance and are not even worth thinking/talking about.
They are your best hope. But even then... in this system... it's a tiny hope.
If you look at Trumps contract w/ the american ppl he has actually fufilled most of his promises. Show me proof of a false flag gas attack. And i mean real proof.
I think you're bang-on about how much of his crowd were conspiracy/truth guys. It's why he won, IMO. Unfortunately for him, most of those aren't afraid to change their opinion and were only skeptically supportive.. I consider myself in that category. I'm not ready to say I'm done with him yet but we're getting closer
The whole world doesn't feel betrayed by him. Most people could see through his lies clear as day. It's just a shame there were enough people out there that were gullible enough to get this clown elected.
Local elections are important, but if you want control over our military (foreign policy) then you need to win the presidency. Bernie almost did it with a 2 year campaign and without public knowledge of DNC/Clinton corruption & lies.
Now that progressives know that going through the Democratic Party is a dangerous waste of time (they literally wasted 6 years of our lives (2 years campaign + at least 4 years of a Trump presidency) we will have a much better shot at putting together a grassroots movement for 2020 because the innovators / early adopters won't be building up a Democrat's campaign.
Join me at /r/New_Movement as we work on putting together a 3 year viral campaign. We want to roughly this first year of Trump's presidency to scout out hopefuls for 2020 and select the best/most electable one. And then we hit social / grassroots hard.
I'm not a trump supporter, but why would what is effectively a warning strike against an airfield make you feel let down? This isn't starting WW3, this is something Obama did many times with many more casualties.
Welp. Guess this means I'm with David Brock now. We should call for Trump's death or impeachment in the streets. I've got pitchforks. /s
I always thought he was pretty stupid and could be influenced towards dumb shit, I also thought he wasn't a career politician and could be influenced to do some non-establishment shit. "all hope lost" "sky is falling people" are still being ridiculous.
This Syria move is a bad one, but this still doesn't categorically remove all possibility of him doing some good and non-establishment things. I still hate David Brock, I still hate John McCain, I still hate regime change and will be very vocal about opposing further action in Syria.
To me not much has changed.
Republicans still corrrupt
Democrats still corrupt
MSM still corrupt
Trump still new, self-serving, stupid
Trump also still can potentially be influenced to challenge and keep pressure on Dems/Reps/MSM
The policy of selling state secrets to foreign nations? Or the policy of locking up black super-predators? Or the policy of illegally shipping drugs, Iran-contra? Or the policy of harvesting Haitian organs?
No offense but this is the GOP dude. They say one thing and do another. Convincing you the enemy is everybody except the wealthy. Reagan, bush, now Trump. Obama could have been great but, unbeknownst to many Conservatives apparently, you need congress and guess what he had congress for all of 2 MONTHS! In which he was able to pass obamacare but only after he was forced to take out the most important part that kept EVERYTHING in check. The public option. (Fuck you Joe Liberman.)
Intervention is not strictly limited to war. Also we dropped 26k bombs last year and that number's gone up in the months Trump has been president. We're pretty much in an endless war.
He may have caused a democratic sweep has his movement been allowed to follow the momentum and trajectory it was going. Don't forget the DNC and MSM colluded to destroy it.
The military already has declared that parts of Yemen and Somalia are war zones — "areas of active hostilities" in Pentagon parlance — which means the U.S. has greater latitude to launch strikes even if civilian deaths are possible.
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The Obama administration put in place a rule that no drone strike could take place outside a war zone unless there was a "near certainty" that no civilian would be harmed.
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However, a group of former Obama administration officials and others sent Defense Secretary James Mattis a letter over the weekend urging that protection of civilians remain a top priority as the government reconsiders counter terrorism policies.
"ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS NATIONAL SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT COMMUNISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISM"
Huh?
Ah yes, because higher taxes on the middle class
Maybe you should read this...
An individual in the lower-middle income range taking in $23,430 would take a 7.6 percent hit, with their checks falling from $751 to $694.
A middle-income earner now taking in $36,200 a year – placing them in 50th percentile, when looking at 2015’s wage data – would see an 8 percent reduction, with their bi-weekly income slumping from $1,131 down to $1,040. Someone in the 75th percentile, with an annual salary of $58,900, would be hit with a 7.9 percent reduction.
High-income earners are set to be hit the hardest, with Americans with an annual salary of $92,110 seeing their checks fall from $2,609 to $2,391 – a whopping 8.3 percent ($218) drop in their bi-weekly pay.
not as damaging as the price drop in oil was. That's the point I was making. Yes obviously there was damage but it was the price of oil that was the real damage and not the sanctions.
At the same time EU was losing billions because of the sanctions, and had to buy a few things from US it used to be on the cheap from Russia.
dude, I hope you have that moment when you realize you are a useful idiot for the aristocracy. when a company like walmart exploits labor to the extreme and pays zero taxes, its a problem.
But what they were saying is "why is this relevant?" The election is over. Giving a shit about Hillary support has nothing to do with no longer supporting Trump. Hillary lost. We all know this.
/u/throwawaytreez said "We do not live in a forced dichotomy" because mentioning not giving Hillary support in OP's post sure implies that they think somewhat along those lines.
I will reiterate. Not all of us are duped in thinking the vote counts. Certainly not after the DNC fraud. No, many of us know it's all placebo. We have no real voice at all. Don't let the stupid Yank stereotype cause for the assumption that we are all that.
I supported Hillary during the campaign partially because phrases like "bomb the shit out of" and "take out their families" directly contradicted some of his anti-intervention sentiment. It was obvious to me that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth to appease both hawks and war-weary people.
While I partly agree I don't think Trump knew how bad it would get, how tough the job would be. I think he truly thought he could make change but it all got out of hand.
When his budget asked for more money for weapons but not pbs or meals on wheels ...everyone knew it was a matter of time before war happened. That's like buying a Lamborghini and never taking to for a drive.
This sub is pretty damn black and white. For instance, is this a case flag? Definitely obviously no question. Not probably or maybe or let's wait and see as more evidence comes forward. Nope. That kind of uncertainty is for the sheeple. We know better. Only the Jews can cause this.
I would assume they will this time, but again, what do we get? We might stop the corruption we're seeing right now, or slow it... But the steady march towards favoring the upper echelons continues.
We, the people, really need to stop bickering over sides, and realize that it's not left vs right, but us vs them. We have the power to make this country great again. Not some clown with a slogan.
Donald Trump is turning out not to be the Cthulhu candidate. He's fulfilling easy campaign promises like the wall and deporting illegal immigrants but he's not going to do much else.
The thing is though, Bernie isn't the kind of politician to play the "character" game unless the person is legitimately unfit to hold public office by way of character, policy, or qualification (like Trump), and as far as I can recall, he went out of his way to try to shift the conversation away from the "damn emails" and personal attacks toward the policies that actually affect American citizens on a daily basis. He never came out and said "this person is unfit" until Trump was a legitimate threat, and only about Trump. He obviously disagreed with Clinton on several issues, but he didn't make some kind of transparent 180 endorsement like Ted Cruz did, and as much as it might pain people to say, she has been in politics for years and knows a hell of a lot more about what she's doing (even if she does shitty things in positions of power) than Donald ever will, and would be preferable to the current administration despite her shortcomings. Shit, Donald's "qualification" was that he wasn't qualified apparently, because he isn't a politician; what kind of bullshit is that?
On top of that, Bernie never did sell out his values. His campaign worked with Clinton and the DNC to get several progressive policies installed in the Clinton campaign's mission statement. Would it have made a difference in her day-to-day policies if she had been elected? Who knows, but he DID try to make sure her campaign was palatable to progressives, and he did try to make sure that SOMEONE had a chance at beating Trump. In the end, Clinton was just bad enough a candidate and one enshrined in so much controversy that she lost to a complete shitbird, albeit one taking advantage of peoples' ignorance, fear, and need for a sense of renewed hope.
That said, I don't think there was any scenario where Bernie could have won after the primary season or done something different to sway the results of the election. If he didn't concede his primary loss, the vote would have been split. If he did, I can't say with much certainty it would have ended much differently; I don't know if enough people would vote for an independent candidate for president in the current dichotomy, even if it's Bernie. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day, the Democratic Party and Trump (and his various handlers) are 100% at fault for this loss, and despite him and everyone else in this country being fucked over, Bernie's still fighting for us with the same values and fervor he always has.
Not really. The world feels betrayed by the people who elected him into the most powerful position on the planet. The whole world tried to warn you over and over again that he was glaringly incompetent and corrupt, but you wouldn't listen. He wasn't even subtle about it -- every time he opened his mouth, every goddamned day of the election and of his presidency, he outright says something that any decent person would be ashamed of, but now we're stuck with this crooked asshat who's tearing apart our country and our relationships with our allies. I don't feel betrayed. I feel sad because I was right.
Your not going to get a picture of clinton snorting a line of coke, fucking a kid, slitting a boys throat (tribute to murloch), sitting with all the worlds leaders handing her money.
Wait, how is finding that funny inconsistent with hating Trump. The whole reason people remember that is because it made it seem like a child throwing a tantrum and it was hilarious.
So you bring up an example about the primaries, and then when someone else does the same you say it doesn't matter because the election is over? Ridiculous.
If anything this should just be evidence of exactly how "persuasive" the powers that be are... Obama was a bright and shiny idealist before we took office as well. Which isn't to say that he or Trump were perfect prior to office (far from it), but their idealist didn't last long once the rubber hit the road and TPTB began leaning on them.
Really makes you have to admire JFK and wonder just how much he was pissing them off to warrant being outright assassinated in public.
I know conservatives love that talking point, but you have to look at the picture here. My taxes, during my life time, have never gone down. Not under a Republican nor Democrat. The people that see tax breaks are always the upper 5%. Bernie's idea was to make those people pay just a little more. And I say why not, if I have to pay a little more?
Bruhhhh fina-fuckin-ly. Someone who sees the through the facade that is originators of illuminati/NWO aka Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and other global elitist. Israel is the top dog and owns the USA like a damn puppet making us do all the dirty work while those bloodlines and associated get unfathomably rich of wars, finiacial crisises, and other fucked shit going on in the world
I've heard people say "he's changed his strategy because he has learned some things since being in office", to which I call bullshit. He knew the deal the whole way through. He's a traitor to the people.
So this time we elected the Rothchilds crazy, old neighbor who lives in a fucking golden tower who knows dickall about anything except reality TV and real-estate. That surely won't backfire.
Assad does have a funny habit of gassing his people when it makes very little sense (even for a brutal dictator) to do so.
The fact that obvious Russian propaganda outlet t_d is working overtime to whitewash the whole thing in Trump's favour also supports this theory. If Trump actually pissed off Russia that sub would change overnight, so clearly he hasn't.
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n/a poruss 2017-04-07
Me too, same reasons as you, OP. Held out hope. Hope gone. Feeling very let down by Trump. If he couldn't take the heat, he should have stayed out of the damn kitchen from the start. All his promises --- betrayed. All the hope he engendered -- gone. Just another Zionist US president. Whole world feels betrayed by him
n/a Swansonbreakfast 2017-04-07
I'm with you as well. He sold us all out for his Soros/Israel owned Son. Very sad
n/a Herculius 2017-04-07
Welp. Guess this means I'm with David Brock now. We should call for Trump's death or impeachment in the streets. I've got pitchforks. /s
I always thought he was pretty stupid and could be influenced towards dumb shit, I also thought he wasn't a career politician and could be influenced to do some non-establishment shit. "all hope lost" "sky is falling people" are still being ridiculous.
This Syria move is a bad one, but this still doesn't categorically remove all possibility of him doing some good and non-establishment things. I still hate David Brock, I still hate John McCain, I still hate regime change and will be very vocal about opposing further action in Syria.
To me not much has changed.
Republicans still corrrupt
Democrats still corrupt
MSM still corrupt
Trump still new, self-serving, stupid
Trump also still can potentially be influenced to challenge and keep pressure on Dems/Reps/MSM
n/a The_Baron87 2017-04-07
How does that not = corrupt?
n/a DavidBernheart 2017-04-07
I agree with everything you said except the "Trump is pretty stupid" part. He seems reasonably bright to me. I mean, he's fuckin' despicable. But he doesn't strike me as stupid.
n/a HooBoyyy 2017-04-07
Oh Jesus Christ. The man isn't a fucking outsider. What don't you get about that? He will not challenge the status-quo at all. He is an advocate of the status-quo. Fucking ridiculous that you actually think Trump you can convince Trump to give a fuck about the little guy.
n/a Herculius 2017-04-07
When did I say little guy?
M$M and deep state hate trump. "Enemy of my enemy"
n/a CHUNKY_VAG_DISCHARGE 2017-04-07
If you look at Trumps contract w/ the american ppl he has actually fufilled most of his promises. Show me proof of a false flag gas attack. And i mean real proof.
n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
Hahaha
n/a CHUNKY_VAG_DISCHARGE 2017-04-07
Cant do it?
n/a CHUNKY_VAG_DISCHARGE 2017-04-07
Here's some sweden truck attack proof for you something like this... http://imgur.com/b8xVGWY
n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
I'm laughing at you for saying he fulfilled his promises, dummy. I don't know why you are linking me photos
n/a WTCMolybdenum4753 2017-04-07
have fun!
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n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
Haaaaaahahahaha
n/a BabaOhDooky 2017-04-07
At least tell people you posted a picture of a dead body.
n/a FuckWork79587 2017-04-07
Like which ones?
n/a CHUNKY_VAG_DISCHARGE 2017-04-07
http://www.track-trump.com/promise/one-in-two-out
n/a anonymity_ftw 2017-04-07
I still find it hilarious the way anyone can try to justify such reckless actions in a foreign country once again... Who the fuck cares about whether or not he's fulfilled his promises, are all of you just listing for war? More unnecessary bloodshed in your supposed justified "War on Terror"?
Don't you see that excusing the MIC and it's OBVIOUS forced continuation of conflict is what keeps this entire war machine going? You honestly believe the majority of civilisation on this Earth can't work together over the commonly shared ideal of PEACE?
They want you to believe in the Boogeyman, how else could they keep the insane profit train running...
n/a phylk 2017-04-07
https://i.imgur.com/QbWPBTD.jpg
n/a BorisKafka 2017-04-07
Chew Soap
n/a bannana 2017-04-07
soap layer
n/a brandnewset 2017-04-07
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me every 8 years. Shame on USA.
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
The whole world doesn't feel betrayed by him. Most people could see through his lies clear as day. It's just a shame there were enough people out there that were gullible enough to get this clown elected.
n/a gavypavl 2017-04-07
She would have done the same thing and worse, we didn't have any options
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
I don't doubt that she wouldn't have, but she also wouldn't have broken any promises she made in the process. Trump duped people into voting for him by promising he wouldn't do exactly what he just did.
n/a AWokenBeetle 2017-04-07
No man, just no.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOTb4GotVuc
n/a wsupduck 2017-04-07
She's on record stating its wise to have a public stance and a private stance dude
n/a Scheisser_Soze 2017-04-07
EVERYBODY has a public stance and a private stance. And she didn't say it was wise to have have both a public stance and a private stance, she said it was necessary:
She then illustrates her point with an example of Lincoln working with political adversaries to achieve necessary goals.
Are you really so naive to buy this narrative that you've been fed to think that her statement on this issue is anything groundbreaking?
n/a wsupduck 2017-04-07
Nice strawman. Just because it's become normal for politicians to do this doesn't make it acceptable or tolerable.
n/a Scheisser_Soze 2017-04-07
Jesus Fucking Christ. Are you retarded? What I typed can in no way be construed as a strawman.
I LITERALLY said in my first sentence that "EVERYBODY" has a public and private stance. I didn't say anything about anything being "acceptable" or "tolerable." I said it was "necessary." Every world leader would hypothetically have a public and a private stance. Bernie...Ron Paul...every single one of them. The mythical public figure you would find acceptable or tolerable doesn't exist in reality.
Here, let me beat you to your reply: Something about ad-hominem attacks. Something else about some other bullshit. Save it. Pull your head out of your ass and take a good look at the world we live in.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
Well done!
n/a TXNCTXWATXCO 2017-04-07
I think there are a lot of things I wouldn't have to worry about with her, our educational system (I already pay hundreds for my kids in a public school every year, going to get worse when they take more money away), the environment, national parks, railroads, race relations, etc. I don't think it would be worse by any means.
n/a DontTreadOnMe16 2017-04-07
Anyone who says "I'm against marijuana legalization in all senses of the word" is not really looking out for the best interests of the people.
n/a jazzyzaz 2017-04-07
UH We were arguably way more fucked voting for a man who's filed for bankruptcy mad times than the wife of a president with a corporatist agenda. At least one wasn't a complete fucking idiot with a litter of clowns riding nepotism's penis until it's a nub of a crayon.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
Not to mention his AG thinks marijuana is just as harmful as heroin...
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
Ugh
n/a TXNCTXWATXCO 2017-04-07
and probably has a white cone hat in his closet he only brings out on Sunday night cross burnings. Fuck I hate racists! Guess that makes me one? Fuck it.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
I don't believe racists are a race, so that would not make you one...
n/a TXNCTXWATXCO 2017-04-07
at least Bill got a blowjob, Trump is fucking us all....
n/a maximumhamburger 2017-04-07
"I voted for the Republican because I'm pro-weed" is up there with "I voted for the Republican because I'm anti-war".
There's no indication she would have changed from the Obama stance on legal states. She almost certainly would have appointed a less anti-weed AG than Jeff Sessions.
I care a lot more about a politician's policies over their personal beliefs. Hillary's constituents are way more pro-weed than Trump's.
n/a DontTreadOnMe16 2017-04-07
Who ever said I voted Republican? Just because I'm happy a psychopath like Hillary isn't in power doesn't mean I'm happy that a narcissist idiot like Trump is in power.
The point is they BOTH SUCKED. Stop trying to make it into a left/right problem. Stop trying to make it seem like Hillary would have been our savior. The fact that the two main candidates sucked so hard like they did is the biggest problem for ALL OF US.
If anything, left and right should come together and realize fuck these people! They aren't looking out for the best interests of the people, I don't care what side of the isle you're on.
n/a SAWHORSEFISHTAPE 2017-04-07
Literally nobody here is saying Hillary would've been our savior. The difference between them is Hillary would've kept everything basically the same while robbing our country while Donald is actively fucking up our country while robbing us.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Literally tons of people are saying exactly that.
n/a HooBoyyy 2017-04-07
Nobody in this sub is.
n/a SAWHORSEFISHTAPE 2017-04-07
Where? Why does all criticism of Trump result in Hillary whataboutism? I've hated Clinton for 10 years now. Just because I think Trump is selling our country to the SVR doesn't mean I think Hillary wouldn't sell it to corporate interests.
n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
Because the fact is that Hillary is not a psychopath. It's pure nonsense. In every conceivable way that Hillary is even bad, Trump is verifiably worse. In every one. He's a pathological liar, has a sincerely fake charity, chose a much more despicable and unqualified cabinet, is a complete buffoon, and apparently launches missiles on a fucking whim.
The "these two are both bad" argument is like a "these two are both tall" argument with Ryan Reynolds and Manute Bol. It's a statement that is both technically true and completely stupid.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Hillary is definitely a psychopath. Most high-level politicians are.
n/a gingakei 2017-04-07
Stop lying to yourself. Hillary Clinton is a psychopath.
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
Careful there, you don't want people to bring up the Clinton Foundation do you?
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
I voted Republican because I'm in favor of gay rights!
n/a DavidBernheart 2017-04-07
You don't get to be an HRC supporter and also accuse Trump supporters of being duped. You can have an opinion on who is worse, but they are both utterly ingenuous.
n/a Scheisser_Soze 2017-04-07
Bullshit. Clinton wasn't running around promising to "make every dream you've ever dreamed come true." To say that they're the same is seriously the laziest, self-apolagetic bullshit I've ever seen.
n/a jazzyzaz 2017-04-07
For real man. Person you're replying to just feels stupid he supported trump and is taking the opportunity to take people down to make him feel better about his EPIC FUCKING MISTAKE.
n/a DavidBernheart 2017-04-07
You might want to have a look at my post history, Smart Guy.
n/a ScholarOfTwilight 2017-04-07
When he said that, it was when I realized that his followers are totally deluded with lie fatigue.
n/a TwoMomsNoDads 2017-04-07
Just commenting to point out that what made OP be done with Trump is also the most uniformly supported move that Trump has made.
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
haha, I just made the same rant.
n/a ZweiHollowFangs 2017-04-07
You don't even leave this sub.
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
I'm not a trump supporter, but why would what is effectively a warning strike against an airfield make you feel let down? This isn't starting WW3, this is something Obama did many times with many more casualties.
n/a redpilledfaggot 2017-04-07
Because trump ran on a campaign of non-interventionism. This isn't about what is "right" or what is "wrong" thing to do based on morals but most people are beyond sick of the USA meddling in other countries. I'm not American, I love the American people but I absolutely despise the American government - The war on drugs, south american instability, Iraq, etc. there's so many things in the world that the USA has fucked up.
n/a Hedonopoly 2017-04-07
Funny, I thought it was that he was going to destroy ISIS in the first month.
n/a TheBojangler 2017-04-07
He also called for deploying combat troops to Syria and for increasing the US military presence in Iraq in order to occupy their oil fields and divert profits from them to the US. Anyone who thought Trump "ran in a campaign of non-interventionism" was either not paying attention or was being willfully blind.
Also, I'm not sure how this one strike is the straw that broke the Trump supporter's back, when his administration conducted more airstrikes in Yemen in the month of March than the Obama administration ever did in an entire year.
n/a herefromyoutube 2017-04-07
No offense but this is the GOP dude. They say one thing and do another. Convincing you the enemy is everybody except the wealthy. Reagan, bush, now Trump. Obama could have been great but, unbeknownst to many Conservatives apparently, you need congress and guess what he had congress for all of 2 MONTHS! In which he was able to pass obamacare but only after he was forced to take out the most important part that kept EVERYTHING in check. The public option. (Fuck you Joe Liberman.)
Stop voting RED for RED. Seriously. www.opensecrets.org
Look up you reps. See who they actually represent clear as day.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
To be fair, this applies to team Blue as well.
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
Yes, certainly does. Both parties are shit, but the GOP is field of manure and the dems are compost heap. They both do shit things, but the GOP is more about repealing everything that is a public good to America, while the Dems more or less just bow down to corporations.
The Dems aren't nearly as likely to steal public lands, take away healthcare for 25 million people, or cut taxes on the wealthy. They won't go after the EPA or National Parks, and they won't put forth a presidential candidate who has been charged with sexual assualt, has multiple wives, and a family run empire.
They still aren't good though. We need a real left party in this country, as both these parties are center to far right.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
Or just get people on the left to actually turn out for midterm primaries and elections.
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
I would assume they will this time, but again, what do we get? We might stop the corruption we're seeing right now, or slow it... But the steady march towards favoring the upper echelons continues.
We, the people, really need to stop bickering over sides, and realize that it's not left vs right, but us vs them. We have the power to make this country great again. Not some clown with a slogan.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
The problem is that splitting off into a third party will fracture the lieral base. You'll have half the country voting Republican with the rest split between Dems and whoever rises to challenge them from the left. Unless there is a split in the Republican party, I see this as a losing strategy.
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
I believe you're likely right about that. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place until the whole thing blows up in our face. Of course, the idea is that it never really will, and we'll always be stuck.
n/a HelpfulToAll 2017-04-07
Vote Democrat in the short-term, then overturn Citizens United and offer ranked choice voting so we have more choices in the future.
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
Is that how he pushed through ACA without a single vote from the other side of the aisle?
If you think Obama was anything less than a wolf in sheeps clothing, you are seriously deluded.
n/a herefromyoutube 2017-04-07
How so? Excluding his foreign policy/military flip in office (military industrial complex in action) why is he a wolf?
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
Dude, we've been at war for 16 years without a declaration of war.
I don't feel like getting into Obama now. It tells me how to flare you, though.
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
How would you flair them?
n/a herefromyoutube 2017-04-07
That's exactly my point. Overlooking his foreign policy and all things Military(defense authorization act, extending PATRIOT act, droning the fuck out of civilians, allowing NSA to carry on...which can all be attributed to the military industrial complex; the JFK gun point at him) there isn't much bad shit he's done. Especially when you compare him to what came before and after he actually did shit to help Americans(shit Trump seems dead set of repealing simple because...something something obama). The stupid bullshit Trump keeps saying about how big of a mess he was left with, horseshit. I'd love to see that orange clown deal with the mess Obama had. What mess did Trump have? Too much Clean air?
Dude, take your time. No rush. I'll wait. I'd love to know what Obama did that was so wrong besides what I just mentioned.
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
ACA= bad sptingon Americans= bad foreign policy= bad eonomy= bad, worst GDP in presidential history rebuilding infrastruture= bad jobs growth= bad
Everything Obama did= bad
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
This was a thing?
-Liberman
of fucking coarse. Fuck isreal
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
Just to play Devil's advocate here... Obama said he was getting out of Iraq immediately during the campaign, and then he did not. Lies and misrepresentation is not the problem of a single party, it's just who politicians are.
n/a Yuri_Is_Master 2017-04-07
Look at all of the fair weather supporters who don't deserve a coat. Crying with no solutions? SAD!
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
Not really. The world feels betrayed by the people who elected him into the most powerful position on the planet. The whole world tried to warn you over and over again that he was glaringly incompetent and corrupt, but you wouldn't listen. He wasn't even subtle about it -- every time he opened his mouth, every goddamned day of the election and of his presidency, he outright says something that any decent person would be ashamed of, but now we're stuck with this crooked asshat who's tearing apart our country and our relationships with our allies. I don't feel betrayed. I feel sad because I was right.
n/a ZoolandersMagnum 2017-04-07
I can't believe I allowed myself to be swept up in a presidential run. I've been always of the mindset that it's all window dressing and bullshit. But I fell for this outsider malarkey. So now what though? Would a third party make a difference? Or would the deep state just flex its arm to keep anybody in that position in line?
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
Fell for it also man. I'm still holding out hope that this was a chess move in peace talks and trump is "playing the game" for now with the Deep State.
All my Liberal friends are now praising trump for the attack and they are weirded out that I'm not on board with them. "I thought you liked trump, what happened" etc is all I'm getting. So many sheep man
n/a 702b 2017-04-07
really weird inversion of the pro/anti trump crowd atm
either 9d chess
or puppet getting it's strings pulled, i guess we'll soon find out
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
I have a feeling that A LOT of the pro trump crowd were somewhat conspiracy/truth guys like me and finally found someone who would try and put an end to this meddling in other countries etc.
Falling for these and false flag attacks are the exact opposite of what I support. Guess we will see, no reason to go full ape shit mode.
n/a madlyrogue 2017-04-07
I think you're bang-on about how much of his crowd were conspiracy/truth guys. It's why he won, IMO. Unfortunately for him, most of those aren't afraid to change their opinion and were only skeptically supportive.. I consider myself in that category. I'm not ready to say I'm done with him yet but we're getting closer
n/a radiofreeamerica 2017-04-07
Ron Paul supporters repeat part III
n/a doesnotdeliver 2017-04-07
Are you concerned that Epsteins good friend and accused child rapist, has refused to investigate pizzagate?
I was hoping he would get to the bottom of it and save the children but the longer he covers it up, the more sure I am that he is the center of it.
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
I was a big pizzagate guy myself dude. Who knows maybe you're right, I just never found anything connecting trump to it besides he was friends with Epstein. Care to elaborate?
n/a doesnotdeliver 2017-04-07
When Flynn junior was helping expose pizzagate, Trump was quick to shut shut him down and get him out of the campaign. It is clear the Trump doesn't want people talking about or investigating pizzagate.
How many times since winning the election has he talked about it? None.
He has all the power to create a quick and thorough investigation which could literally save hundreds or maybe thousands of American children who are held captive right near his home... what has he done about it? Nothing.
Elected in november. In power in January. Still preventing the children from getting help in April.
n/a SAWHORSEFISHTAPE 2017-04-07
Probably because he realized that it is considered an extremely fringe conspiracy and would do nothing but alienate moderates in the rust belt.
n/a forgivenfreeonfire 2017-04-07
Didn't we just find out? At what point will it stop being, "just wait and see" and "we'll find out soon enough."
n/a WasabiBomb 2017-04-07
That's really strange- I don't know a single liberal who isn't calling this "Trump's Reichstagg Fire" or calling him a hypocrite for how he said that Obama did the wrong thing in Syria a few years back.
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
All they see are the pictures of the supposed "Assad attack" and think they need to get him out of power. They aren't weighing out any other ideas about the situation, these are pro CNN people let me mind you.
n/a Ultimatex 2017-04-07
Sounds more like a problem with your friends than with liberals.
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
That's why I said "liberal friends" haha
n/a SquareShapeCloud 2017-04-07
It seems to have divided both sides. You have the conservatives who support and those who oppose it, and the same on the liberal side but for slightly different reasons. It's really confusing, and I can't help but wonder if that was part of the desired effect.
n/a safety_jam 2017-04-07
Hope everyone picks up on this as a take away. That was always the intent. By Shareblue shills and Russian trolls. The whole point is is poison information and discourse in order to continue carrying out the same plan that they've been pulling off for most of modern history.
I've said it time and time again, left and right and liberal and conservative is all bullshit meant to divide the common people in order to keep them distracted. Bernie was the only one who saw through this. That's where you need to look in the future. This isn't left versus right, it's the 99% versus the 1%, and the 1% is winning, and always has been winning, and that's never, ever going to end while we're all divided over abortion and taxes.
n/a MafiaVsNinja 2017-04-07
You sound like the nihilists spreading both sides are the same bullshit that enables all this evil.
n/a safety_jam 2017-04-07
No, just the opposite, I hope... I think both sides are more alike than they realise, we're just divided by the extremists who, in reality, are only a small proportion of our respective movements.
n/a invisible__hand 2017-04-07
Well said!
n/a hamelemental2 2017-04-07
Yeah, I was talking to my liberal friends last night, and all we could talk about was how fucking sick we are of being at war with somebody in the middle east.
n/a versusgorilla 2017-04-07
People are making up "liberals" because Clinton and some others have voiced support for fighting harder on Syria.
Liberals are and continue to be anti-war. All the same people I know who were opposed to Iraq are opposed now. They didn't want Obama to be going into Syria either. They don't want these US led invasions of middle east countries. Something like Libya was led by the French and NATO backed and it was quick and focused and even though the rebuilding hasn't been amazing, it's about as much as this country can stomach anymore.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Liberals may be anti-war, but the Democratic Party certainly is not.
n/a versusgorilla 2017-04-07
I don't remember claiming they were. I'm responding to people who hear Clinton voice support for intervention and apply that to all "liberals".
There are plenty of us that never wanted this kind of thing, even if there is suddenly a GOP anti-war movement, there are still some of us who remember pro-war assholes throwing hot coffee on anti-Iraq-War people in their high school.
I remember a time when questioning the President was considered unpatriotic. When 9/11 was waved around like a club against anyone who wasn't in favor of attacking a country that didn't threaten us. Some of us lived through that and now it's downright insulting to be told that "anti war liberals don't exist". Fuck. That.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
I never said anything remotely like "anti-war liberals don't exist" because I'm not an idiot. Sorry people are saying that to you, but obviously they're dumb
n/a versusgorilla 2017-04-07
Yeah, I'm not aiming it at you. Just general venting about what I see left and right in here.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Ok okay. Fair enough
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
The media oddly thought this attack was a good idea. It's like someone flipped a switch. I do know some liberals who think this strike was a good idea and most of my conservative friends think this is a huge mistake. I am confused about it all
n/a cumdong 2017-04-07
Yes, truly they are the sheep.
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
I see what you did there. I'll take it. Yes I was a sheep for about a month. But always doubting.
n/a forgivenfreeonfire 2017-04-07
Honest question: how did you not see this coming? How was it not abundantly obvious to you from Trump's own words and actions, that a) he only does what's best for him and b) he was actively gearing up for war since before he was elected?
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
Hillary would have taken us to war also so that's a whole other conversation, everyone got what they wanted, a world war possibly. I think it was the polarizing stances we were forced to take as citizens.
I do like conservative values, I agree with some immigration talks of Trump, I liked his business background for some reason. I was raised conservative and while I didn't get along with my parents all the time and was a rebel I understood the values they wanted me to hold. Work hard, don't take handouts, suck it up quit bitching.. all I saw from my friends on the left was bitching, bitching about working, blaming everything on the government etc and I just got tired of it so I went opposite. I control my destiny not everyone else was the way I look at it.
Now I realize I'm 26 fresh out of college and don't know shit about shit. Media and everything just got everyone riled up. I've always been at my roots a conspiracy theorist, I guess I just wanted to try something new. Ideas are like drugs dude. Humans are weird.
This was a mind control experiment on a grand scale now I'm starting to realize. Shit was weird man
n/a brandnewset 2017-04-07
Maybe once he was briefed on the state of things, and shown his Mossad blackmail file he decided to toe the line vs having his bloodline slowly wither and die.
There's some bad hombres in the usg
n/a MajorMayday 2017-04-07
Sheep for what? The whole entire Donald Trump base has to turn a blind eye to every hypocritcal thing he has tweeted in the past and said. And you have the audacity to call others sheep?
n/a Azzmo 2017-04-07
For going against their professed morals (anti-war) and gladly endorsing the beginning stages of another disastrous campaign in the Middle East.
What made them Bahhhh?
Video from the White Helmets and assertions from neocons. That's all it takes to endorse another million+ dead in another Middle Eastern country and another $4+ trillion stolen from the American people.
n/a forgivenfreeonfire 2017-04-07
It's weird because he starts out admitting that he was duped and then goes on to call others sheep.
n/a rocco25 2017-04-07
those are the ones who drink the liberal media kool-aid
n/a DavidBernheart 2017-04-07
Interesting. All of my liberal friends are talking about anything but the attack.
n/a neighborhoodsniper 2017-04-07
im in the same boat as you right now, not ready to make a decision on this yet because I want to see how it plays out. I am pissed about it, but like some other people have been saying, he could have done this as a "im not all talk" style move. The whole "line in the sand" thing by Obama could have made this a situation where they had to call Trump's bluff on his seriousness. I guess we will need to wait and see how he plays it.
n/a MrNagasaki 2017-04-07
The absurdity that today's "liberals" are pro-war. I can't get used to it.
n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
Id be shocked if more than a small subset of liberals were actually for this. Id say the vast majority are either against or don't know what to think but lean against because we sure as shit don't want the "Boss Baby" in charge of it.
n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
Id be shocked if more than a small subset of liberals were actually for this. Id say the vast majority are either against or don't know what to think but lean against because we sure as shit don't want the "Boss Baby" in charge of it.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Now that Trump won, they're anti-war again, I think.
n/a MrNagasaki 2017-04-07
I don't think so. But I don't mean the real liberals. Those exist and never were pro-war. I'm talking about "liberals" - the CNN crowd, sharia-loving "feminists" with the pink hats, establishment Democrats, etc. Somehow, during the Obama years, they managed to turn the term "liberal" to mean "neocon".
n/a forgivenfreeonfire 2017-04-07
Are you calling yourself a sheep here too, since you fell for Trump? I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that maybe one lesson you should learn from your mistake is that people can be wrong without being "sheep."
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
Yes I am. Blindly trusted somebody, something I've never done my whole life. Feel like I just came out of a 3 month long binger or something.
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
Why are your friends praising this? I honestly don't know why the media and liberal people think this strike was a good idea? There wasn't even a reddit meltdown about it. I thought it was going to totally blow up in Trump's face.
n/a soyoumadornah 2017-04-07
I did too. It's up to us to MEME war this shit out. Right/Left is always controlled, a spectacle to get us riled up while they continue the same war bullshit.
n/a TheSilenceMEh 2017-04-07
Meme war is what got Trump into the office, maybe change up strategys?
n/a cumdong 2017-04-07
The meme war did not get Trump into office. Rich 63 year old white people in the suburbs cared nothing about the meme war. They wanted lower taxes and fewer brown people.
n/a ButMuhRussians 2017-04-07
Meme war had a lot to do with it, my friend.
n/a raisinpop 2017-04-07
haha, your user name, this comment, i think you're trolling
n/a ButMuhRussians 2017-04-07
Hehe my name is to troll Russian alarmists. I am a mere meme farmer, based in the good old USA. I saw with my own eyes as Pepe was branded as a hate symbol after seeing him on 4chan for years.
n/a SAWHORSEFISHTAPE 2017-04-07
To be fair, poor old Pepe was kidnapped by white nationalists.
n/a TheSilenceMEh 2017-04-07
Rich 63 year old white people go on social media where memes and fake news run rampant, they were definetly affected by this
n/a Panseared_Tuna 2017-04-07
I can't believe people like this post in this subject. You are a mainstream shill. Hurrrrrr Republicans all old white men. They elected Trump. Hurrrrrr
No one is buying your shit.
n/a cumdong 2017-04-07
Don't forget the white women.
Just look at exit polls, buddy.
n/a crielan 2017-04-07
They really wanted that 5%+ tax back they are paying for the AHCA. I imagine they aren't too thrilled how this is turning out either unless they had stock in the right companies.
n/a SexualExpression 2017-04-07
A 72 year old woman I know goes on Facebook everday. She accused me of being brainwashed by the liberal media when I made legitimate points against Trump.
n/a OSND500 2017-04-07
That's just some shit slactivists on the internet say to feel like they did something significant.
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
Is that your idea of the average Trump voter?
n/a binauralbeatz 2017-04-07
Israel and (((banksters))) and military industrialists is what got Trump into office.
n/a Redshoe9 2017-04-07
That's what a minority of us have been screaming about. They 1% want us infighting so we are distracted from the real scam happening all around the world. It's not just limited to United States.
n/a The_All_Golden 2017-04-07
I say we take the route the Bernie crowd is going, we need to secure dominance in local politics, work on up to state level and eventually we may have the force to change things at a national level. This is the only hope we have beyond going full Rambo and I truly hope it doesn't turn violent.
These zionists don't control local politics, we can get good people, our people inside these offices, we should never expect a president to make our lives better, they are never for the people.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Local elections are important, but if you want control over our military (foreign policy) then you need to win the presidency. Bernie almost did it with a 2 year campaign and without public knowledge of DNC/Clinton corruption & lies.
Now that progressives know that going through the Democratic Party is a dangerous waste of time (they literally wasted 6 years of our lives (2 years campaign + at least 4 years of a Trump presidency) we will have a much better shot at putting together a grassroots movement for 2020 because the innovators / early adopters won't be building up a Democrat's campaign.
Join me at /r/New_Movement as we work on putting together a 3 year viral campaign. We want to roughly this first year of Trump's presidency to scout out hopefuls for 2020 and select the best/most electable one. And then we hit social / grassroots hard.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
Implying socialism is better than free market. If you think Bernie isnt a globalist stooge, but Trump is, you are part of the problem
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Socialism? Where did I say anything about that philosophy? I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about here. Who's a socialist? I can't name a single person that's a socialist... and definitely no American politicians in office that I can name.
In case you're unaware, Bernie is not a socialist.
I didn't volunteer and donate to Bernie's campaign because I think he's my hero (he's not) or that he's uncorruptable (he's not). I supported Bernie because of the POLICIES he was promoting. Unfortunately, our policy choices were artificially limited in 2016 when the DNC cheated him and his campaign.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
"ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT SOCIALISM, ITS NATIONAL SOCIALISM" "ITS NOT COMMUNISM, ITS DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISM"
Ah yes, because higher taxes on the middle class, more regulations, more government bureaucracy is obviously the way to grow the middle class and stop government corruption.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Huh?
Maybe you should read this...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/17/this-chart-shows-what-your-paycheck-will-look-like-under-bernie-sanders-tax-plan/
The increase in taxes if offset by the savings they'll see by not paying for healthcare. Since when is saving money a bad thing?
I'm not a scientist but 99% of them believe in global warming.
Well certain programs at least, like Medicare, are run extremely efficiently, so you might be right.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
Study history. Hitler was a (((National Socialist))). Throwing a qualifier infront of Socialism doesnt change what it is - a dictatorial collectivist government that forces its citizens to buy government run healthcare. How about instead of forcibly taking away our money we generate through our labour, we get to decide where that money goes rather than being forced to surrender it.
The idea of income itself is unconstitutional and violates the non-aggression principle. The government does not have the right to take away money exchanged between a private business owner and a private citizen working for that business.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
There is nothing dictator-like about Americans democratically electing a president they voted for and that president pushing policies through that the people who voted for him supported. There is no 'force' to that whatsoever. And I'm still not sure what you're talking about. We already both agree (I assume since you didn't respond to my comment) that Bernie's policies would be saving the middle class $$ so what's the issue?
Exactly. That's democratic socialism.
Speaking of income, as automation becomes even more productive we will continue losing even more jobs. We will need basic income if our society does not adapt.
By that logic a government does not have the right to do anything. Would you prefer anarchy? How about I stab you in the eye? I hope you're cool with that because I'm going to do it anyway.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
No, what I am talking about is not being taxed on our income in the first place. What you are talking about is forced wealth redistribution. Youll never be able to control what the government does with your tax money. It will always be wasted in bureaucracy. Instead of giving away 20% of my money to the government, freedom is being able to choose how I save or spend that 20% of my income.
"By that logic a government does not have the right to do anything. Would you prefer anarchy? How about I stab you in the eye? I hope you're cool with that because I'm going to do it anyway."
The income tax is a recent event. This country was set up to have a small government that runs purely off of border taxes/tarrifs. Once the government started taxing income and sales tax, thats when freedom died and the free market became no longer free
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
You can vote.
We have the freedom to make a better country and society. But we can't do it when our two-party system prohibits us from having real choice in our elections.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
First you say we can vote, then you say it doesnt matter because of the two party system, while also supporting a socialist who wants even bigger government.
Please, try to start a legal business and youll see what I mean.
Im sure we agree on alot of issues. Im mostly a libertarian, but unfortunately even the libertarian candidate this election cycle was a globalist shill.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
I figured you were a libertarian. Well my primary goal is to get in a candidate who would push to end FPTP... I hope you join me in that push. If your libertarian candidate does the same thing and has a better chance to win I'll vote for him or her as well. After that, when we really have no motive to vote against our interests, it will be game on though ;)
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
Hillary, Sanders, Trump, and Gary are all globalist shills.
n/a girlfriend_pregnant 2017-04-07
dude, I hope you have that moment when you realize you are a useful idiot for the aristocracy. when a company like walmart exploits labor to the extreme and pays zero taxes, its a problem.
n/a YuriBezmenovKGB 2017-04-07
dude, I hope you realize that I am against corrupt multinational corporations buying off politicians to shut down competition and rig regulations in their favour. I hope you realize the regulations you want only affect small to medium sized businesses which disable the lower class from ever rising up and competing with the elites.
Have you ever opened a business? I have. Its fucking ridiculous the amount of red tape, taxes, and regulatory bullshit hoops you must jump through to simply sell something legally online. Once you try to start a business you will see why TRUE free market capatalism is so important to allow the middle class to grow and thrive.
I am against CRONY captalism/socialism, the system we have now. Multinational corporations such as WalMart lobby for this current system so people like you and me can never create our own businesses and rise up.
Again, the issue is not WalMart itself. The issue is that we give the government the power to allow multinational corporations to lobby for rigged laws. Take away the power from the government, and the multinational corporations will not be able to buy off politicians. Thats how you level the playing field. The issue is excessive governmental power, not businesses.
n/a T_Supra_Saiyan 2017-04-07
Choose kanye.
n/a batebreak 2017-04-07
Al Sharpton
n/a slanaiya 2017-04-07
Local elections pave the path to national influence. There is no quick fix.
This is not something that progressives know but rather something people who do not pay attention to the right things might come to misconstrue.
We have seen (or at least can see if we choose to look) that local coordinated action leads to empowerment at national level. It's laughable that you're looking at 2 and 4+ years though and feeling your time has been wasted. You're an order of magnitude off on realistic time frames for a solid foot hold as a political faction that cannot be ignored and must be reckoned with on the national level. 20 years would be an astoundingly rapid entrenchment (although not entirely implausible in the context of contemporary technology); 40 is more realistic.
Unless you don't go through one of the established main parties, in which case, you should expect it will take much much longer.
How it's done is localized networks are built to cooperate together to get their candidate on the local ticket in "reliable constituencies", starting small and expanding to bigger elections as your network, pool of candidates with local experience, and your block's influence all grow together. The initial focus is on the primaries in winnable constituencies.
Taking over primaries is not that hard. They don't draw many voters and they can often entail 3+ candidates giving a huge advantage to any organized block of voters. The more candidates splitting and fracturing the field in a primary, the more effective a block of voters are in getting their pick onto the ticket.
This is why Evangelicals and the religious right have an outsized voice in the Republican Party. They dominate local town hall meetings which tend to be sparsely attended, they pick out a single candidate for primaries and they support that candidate, they canvas for them, get on the phone for him, raise funds for them and then they go to the primary and they vote for them.
And note that the end result is that Republicans fear being primaried in many constituencies far more than they fear a Democrat taking their seat. Even gerrymandered seats are not safe for individual Republicans. They might be safe for the party but individuals will find themselves primaried off the ticket if they do not please their Evangelical masters in the constituencies that they control.
But it took them decades to get to this point and they got there using the established parties and starting small, (school boards were an important early target for instance). Not through by-standing until voting day, or even just volunteering passively to achieve the party aims, but by participating as an organized block and ultimately transforming their constituencies into ones where anyone carrying out the party aims is carrying out their aims. Organized blocks are very effective when they employ the simple strategy of persistently out participating everyone else as an organized single block.
The two main parties have huge resources and it will always be quicker and easier to subvert one of them than to out compete them starting from nothing. But it cannot be done merely through voting or even passively volunteering after all the decisions have been made. You gain a dominant voice in a party by forming an organized block and out participating all other comers. It's a long haul, but for a stable entrenched influence, there is no quick fix.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
I agree with most of your points with politics from the start of our country until 2017. Why is it different now? It's different because of access to information and social media. It's also different because Americans have never witnessed corruption (and zero accountability for lies) at the level we saw via WikiLeaks and James Comey. Voters were deceived at every turn.
Now many of us know better, thankfully. The only problem is that we have no candidate. That's the first step. We need to start scouting around for decent candidates and once we find one or a few by the end of the year (hopefully) we'll have 3 years to run a campaign. We will get into the debates. And we will force Democrats & other previous Bernie supporters that voted Clinton to join us. If they don't then Trump will get reelected. If Trump is really as scary as Reddit would have you believe then it would be scary not to take this movement seriously :) #BernieOrBust was given as an option in 2016. They chose bust. Will they choose bust again?
n/a live52 2017-04-07
But he's not done with you.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Who are you talking about? Bernie? Who cares. I never cared about the candidate. I cared about honesty, record, and policy, but most of all I cared about our democracy. It sucked to watch our democracy get subverted without accountability (unless you call Hillary losing holding them accountable, which it kind of is). He can join or not it makes no difference to me as long as we find someone decent.
n/a live52 2017-04-07
Bernie did not cross my mind while posting that. "He" was referring to Trump. For good or ill OP may be done with Trump, but he's not done with you.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Oh I misread that mb. And I guess I'll agree, but I won't accept an establishment Democrat as a replacement.
n/a live52 2017-04-07
I agree 100%.
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
Wow you wrote a whole essay!
Bored at work or something?
n/a phil_mckraken 2017-04-07
I agree with much of what you say. I will observe that the highlighted observation seems to miss the a major demographic change in our country. As the Boomers age and die, influence will spread rapidly to younger generations, especially the Millennials. They will benefit for the same reason Boomers did; they are legion.
I expect domestic political Change to happen at an accelerating rate for the next 10 years. This will include a major realignment of the coalitions and issues. If Donald Trump is impeached, this will happen sooner.
n/a slanaiya 2017-04-07
It takes time because you need to build a candidate base. This is also why small local elections are good.
By the time you promote candidates to state level elections, they should have been vetted in the public eye, they should have experience dealing with politics both in social terms (dealing with individuals to get things done) and structural terms (they should have an idea how government works, how the law works in broad strokes etc), and they should have a history of actually doing what is intended of them once you've gotten them elected.
When you have a pool of candidates you can rely on who can win elections, you can take more risks. If you have 50 candidates elected and one has a public humiliation it won't end the movement, if one goes rogue it won't completely demoralize the movement, if one falls on their face and fails spectacularly due to lack of competence in government, it won't discredit the movement entirely. But if you only have half a dozen elected people in place, just one screwing up in a highly visible way can screw up the whole movement. Reps on the school board screwing up don't have the same impact.
So the initial build up is slow - the movement has to identify and essentially train candidates to form the core of the movement's politicians - people who can win elections, won't bring scandal on the movement before it's established its credibility and won't screw up or turn on the movement and do the opposite of what they were supported to do. That takes time.
n/a fatcyst2020 2017-04-07
How are you going to blame a Trump presidency on progressives?
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Democrats wasted 6 years of progressives' lives. I think you read that wrong.
n/a fatcyst2020 2017-04-07
Okay, thanks for the explanation. I did misunderstand.
n/a BigSphinx 2017-04-07
You are unbelievably myopic.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
I didn't realize that the presidency was of little significance /s
n/a ShepDoggg 2017-04-07
I will join this New Movement
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
For me, backing Bernie was the only way out of the BS. Schultz and Brazile, Comey, and Putin, fucked that up good.
n/a snootsmagoots 2017-04-07
Hed just fold and do whatever tptb wanted. Like he folded and supported Hillary even though she cheated to win the nomination. If he really was the way out, he would have fought till the end.
n/a thisismytrollacct99 2017-04-07
Turns out he made the right decision now, he's the most powerful politician right now
n/a snootsmagoots 2017-04-07
Powerful in what way.
n/a thisismytrollacct99 2017-04-07
Influence on the American people
n/a T3hSwagman 2017-04-07
He did fight to the end. Were you unconscious during the primaries where everyone was saying he was embarrassing himself by not conceding earlier? He supported Clinton to avoid THIS. Holy shit you sound so dumb.
n/a snootsmagoots 2017-04-07
Tell me more about how he faught till the end for his values and then rolled over and endorsed a candidate who contradicts those same values.
Why do i care what other people say about him? Those same people said Trump had 0 chance of winning and were clearly wrong about that.
Mabye im not getting it but usually fighting to the end includes not partnering up with your opponent at the end of the "fight" and selling out your supporters.
n/a T3hSwagman 2017-04-07
Except he rightfully saw a future where Trump would be an awful president. So it was either team up with his opponent, or allow someone that would walk all over legal citizens rights, sell out the American peoples privacy, allow the corporatism of the GoP to run completely rampant and unfettered, and waste millions upon millions of taxpayer money on golf weekends (party of fiscal responsibility LUL).
I just love love love love love that you are going to take some kind of purist stand against Sanders for attempting to make lemonade out of lemons, while Trump has been actively ass raping middle America since being sworn in and you are completely silent on all those points. Well you know what! Good for you for being more in favor of someone that will put a boot on your neck than someone that will step aside when its sensible to.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
Still not worse than Bernie.
We could have globalism and socialism and be completely fucked.
n/a T3hSwagman 2017-04-07
Sanders is the only candidate that was consistently talking about reducing military spending and action.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
Please tell me how your life has improved and even more important, how your life will get better under Trump.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
I've made a fuck load of money in the stock market and stand to make a great deal more.
The economy is surging ahead at almost 1990's rates and my bonuses at work are starting to reflect it.
My neighbor(s) wages will increase as the illegals get sent home as they are over represented in construction jobs. This will increase the likelihood that our street gets cleaned up and houses are better maintained which increases my property value.
Trump & co. are maneuvering to end the illegal housing authority practices put in place by Obama that retarded the housing market for the last 8 years. Maybe the 15/30-year fixed rate mortgage won't be destroyed flushing The American Dream down the toilet like Obama planned on.
Maybe I'll be able to move this decade and buy a bigger house for my family. Right now we have too many people in our too small starter house.
290,000 new jobs created last quarter - 180,000 more than expected (given a Obameconomy).
DeVos in charge of education means returning sanity to it. She's already started cleaning up the time-bomb of Obama's disaster-designed student loan programs. If she gets vouchers and charter schools pushed through as a parent/student right then I can take my kids out of the fucking awful public schools in this area and have them receive a decent education for at least part of their lives. Maybe by the time my grandkids are in college the federal student loan program will still exist as long as we don't allow any Demofuckheads destroy it between now and then.
The ACA marginally affects me because I have a high income but it fucks over people like my step-sister and a kid I'm helping out. My step-sister is a teenaged leukemia survivor which has left her crippled but she works so her income now tosses her out of the medicaid program but there are no affordable ACA plan on the independent markets. The kid I'm helping out is effectively an orphan; his father died when he was young but his mom was an engineer until she got in car accident and got jacked up by that, addicted to pills, and is now a full drug addict. He turned 18 and got a job and needed to file his taxes and had no idea how to do it. He had to pay an ACA fine on his $6,000 earnings because he wasn't exempt because his mom gets disability benefits.
So when you ask herp-derp what has Trump done for youz!?!?
The answer is everyfuckingthing Obama didn't and he's only 4 months in.
"Hope and change" my goat-ass.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
This all happened in 2 months for you? Damn!
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
So in 8 years the stock market went up from 7000 to over 18000 when Obama left office. And you say you made A Fuck Load of money because it went up another 2000 since Trump? Hmm! Jobs were coming back despite what you heard from Trump. Car companies were already planning to bring manufacturing here long before Trump. But you go ahead and give credit to Trump. Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president. But you go ahead. Give credit to Trump. As far as the ACA goes, it definitely needs help or revamping which is what your republican MAJORITY tried to do and couldn't. Why I wonder. Freedom Caucus? So "My Bonuses", wages "Will" increase, maybe "I'LL" be able to buy another house. The ACA affects "ME". "MY" step sister. "MY" "MY" "ME", "ME", "ME". The housing market bubble? Was the result of predatory lending by the Wall Street scumbags that are now working under Trump. Bubble was the result of, let me see, Bush? Jobs created LAST QUARTER? It was because of Trump? REALLY? I could give a rat's ass about people addicted on drugs. Not "MY" problem. "I", there it is again, that "ME" syndrome, made a fuck load of money in stock market and you still live in a starter home? Dude, where I live, the housing market is crazy. Condos and homes have been going up in record numbers for the past eight years. The prices are going up because of demand and a good job market. Not because of that fucking moron Trump. Don't misunderstand what a Charter School is. They have their benefits. BUT, I repeat, BUT, they are independent PUBLIC schools. They teach in their own ways. Transportation would be left to parents, which I think is a good thing. Fuck those buses transporting kids to get an education. They will not have the same resources. They don't follow government regulations. Fuck 'em if they can't hire good teachers. Fuck those kids being taught by people with no teaching certificate. Fuck 'em if they have no resources and good facilities. I understand you have dreams. That's good. Good for "YOU"..but I have to say; the American Dream is not there like when "I" was growing up. Jobs were plentiful, wages were good but not great for the "working" person. People were able to buy a home on a salary of 30,000 a year in those days. Now that kind of money can barely buy a car. The future looks bright for "YOU" and "YOUR" kids and "YOUR" grandchildren, good for "YOU". I am 62 and have never accepted a fucking dime from government. Sent my kid to Catholic school in a different town from where I live, paid for his education, and still paying, while still paying taxes to support the public schools in my area. Never once did I bitch about it. One more point on ACA and the independent market. How sure are you that it would work, that it will drive costs down? How sure are you that insurance companies won't charge even more even if there is competition? Look at what's happened to our industry. It has gone to China, Taiwan, India, Mexico. I can go on but it won't make a difference. "YOU" have your own set of values, you have your beliefs that Trump will fix everything and turn this into a Shangri-la. I have my own set of beliefs and values. I don't see it your way. Trump will not do anything to make our country even remotely great. He will be part of the problem. Drain the swam my ass. Look at Price, Mnuchin the rat, his Wall Street gurus, and yes even DeVos. Read about them and you'll find that it's all not peaches and cream like you want to think. It's one thing to be blind, it's another to have no vision.
n/a CivilityBeDamned 2017-04-07
Make sure to read this guys comments. They are all uncited yet authoritative stances on nuanced subjects that he displays no understanding of.
Yesterday he was telling me how no VPN can provide any measure of privacy but he was confusing and making up terms the entire time.
Lo and behold, he's posting dumb bullshit every else today. Authoritative and uncited. He's full of shit. I run an IT business and can tell you that what he posted here is almost certainly completely bullshit, and what he's posted about technology is beyond bullshit and just imaginary and paranoid.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
No he didn't. He made an agreement before he ran to concede the primary to Hillary before the convention.
That why, despite saying publicly he would, he didn't run until the convention and dropped out and concede victory to her.
n/a T3hSwagman 2017-04-07
He agreed he would support the winner of the primary, like literally everyone does during the campaign.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
And agreed to not criticize Hillary and agreed to not to cause a contested convention and likely got a $600k check for this agreement.
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
He never put on his big boy boxers and stood up to the DNC. He never mentioned how the preliminaries were rigged against him. Not once did he lash out about the corrption that took place. He tucked his tail between his legs, supported Hillary, and trashed Trump. He trashed Trump even when it was obvious he was doing it partisan reasons.
Bernie lost this voter's vote. I question whether or not he was a plant from the very beginning.
n/a T3hSwagman 2017-04-07
None of this even fucking matters because the election is over. The only thing that is factually relevant to this discussion is that he was the only candidate that was advocating for us to stop being the world police. I mean to be fair Trump did say that too but its just another one of his ever growing list of lies.
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
True. Thanks for getting me back on track.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
So you bring up an example about the primaries, and then when someone else does the same you say it doesn't matter because the election is over? Ridiculous.
n/a horsefartsineyes 2017-04-07
Bernie never lost our vote. He's still the most popular politician in america.
n/a OhMy8008 2017-04-07
here here. People will come up with any bullshit. Nobody is perfect but Bernie gave a fuck, and that's the only thing that matters.
n/a Shapeshiftedcow 2017-04-07
It doesn't ever "end". Bernie understands that you don't get anywhere in politics if you burn all your bridges (especially as the sole Independent member of Congress), and just as he's done his entire career, he's continued to fight for you and I every day since the election ended. Would it really have done anyone better if he had refused to support the only veritable opposition to the Trump Trainwreck?
We're all better off with him playing the long game to transform the political landscape as opposed to making enemies in Congress and among the already-fractured left as a whole over events that have already transpired (even if some of those people are corporatists, traitors, or just plain ignorant). He's continuing to do his job despite it being a thankless, merciless, uphill battle. You just can't solve all your political woes by choosing unwavering pride and what's morally and technically "right" over pragmatism and a firm but patient adherence to your principles.
n/a snootsmagoots 2017-04-07
Im not expecting anyone to burn bridges but you can endorse without selling out your values. Spend months saying how shes unfit to be president and then say how great of one she will make. Sounds like your average typical politician to me. Shit half the republican party still have issues "endorsing" trump per say and he didnt even collude against them with the party.
Plus who knows what would have happened. He could have won the presidency (slim chance) or he could have kept enough voters from swinging over to trump out of disgust for the party to let Hillary win because shes apparently so "popular" across America.
n/a Shapeshiftedcow 2017-04-07
The thing is though, Bernie isn't the kind of politician to play the "character" game unless the person is legitimately unfit to hold public office by way of character, policy, or qualification (like Trump), and as far as I can recall, he went out of his way to try to shift the conversation away from the "damn emails" and personal attacks toward the policies that actually affect American citizens on a daily basis. He never came out and said "this person is unfit" until Trump was a legitimate threat, and only about Trump. He obviously disagreed with Clinton on several issues, but he didn't make some kind of transparent 180 endorsement like Ted Cruz did, and as much as it might pain people to say, she has been in politics for years and knows a hell of a lot more about what she's doing (even if she does shitty things in positions of power) than Donald ever will, and would be preferable to the current administration despite her shortcomings. Shit, Donald's "qualification" was that he wasn't qualified apparently, because he isn't a politician; what kind of bullshit is that?
On top of that, Bernie never did sell out his values. His campaign worked with Clinton and the DNC to get several progressive policies installed in the Clinton campaign's mission statement. Would it have made a difference in her day-to-day policies if she had been elected? Who knows, but he DID try to make sure her campaign was palatable to progressives, and he did try to make sure that SOMEONE had a chance at beating Trump. In the end, Clinton was just bad enough a candidate and one enshrined in so much controversy that she lost to a complete shitbird, albeit one taking advantage of peoples' ignorance, fear, and need for a sense of renewed hope.
That said, I don't think there was any scenario where Bernie could have won after the primary season or done something different to sway the results of the election. If he didn't concede his primary loss, the vote would have been split. If he did, I can't say with much certainty it would have ended much differently; I don't know if enough people would vote for an independent candidate for president in the current dichotomy, even if it's Bernie. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day, the Democratic Party and Trump (and his various handlers) are 100% at fault for this loss, and despite him and everyone else in this country being fucked over, Bernie's still fighting for us with the same values and fervor he always has.
n/a Tomy2TugsFapMaster69 2017-04-07
For what it's worth I think you are 100% correct. He had a chance to send a message. He folded hard and now the song remains the same.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
We learned a long time ago that Bernie was part of the BS.
n/a LeakyTrump 2017-04-07
Bernie is way too beta. You really want a President who can be bullied off his own mic by a few BLM loud mouths?
I don't think he has the resolve nor the political capital to win anything.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
Maybe too beta? But with no baggage. Clinton was bullied. She had not one response to Trump. She cowered like a puppy. Would never have happened to Bernie. He was able to relay his message on issues that affect Americans unlike Trump who could not respond to any one issue except MAGA or Build a Wall or Mexicans are rapists or deport Muslims. Trump would not have stood a chance with Bernie. BTW, as we are learning now, the republicans picked the wrong candidate. If they stuck to their values they would have picked Kasich.
n/a LeakyTrump 2017-04-07
Bernie was controlled opposition from the start. On top of that when he talks about any of the issues he only appeals to emotions. Many of the things he wants to do are more about increasing government welfare and hurr durr taxing the 1% because, get this: He wants them to pay their fair share.
So many people pay more taxes than Bernie. He is just an ignorant communist. The guy hasn't done much in his whole life and wasn't even getting a steady pay check until in his later 30s. That attitude reflects by what he supports and by his inability to get anything done.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
You need to see the other side of this. Trump appealed to emotions of Fascists and an Aryan base that believe only they belong here or the country belongs to them. What are some of the things that Trump wants to do? He selects Wall Street scumbags who are pushing and changing laws to line their pockets. He accused Hillary of this. He selected a man who wants to "Deconstruct" the State. He accused Obama of this ( "I inherited a great big mess.") What a pussy he is. He selects his son-in-law to run most government agencies. In my book that's called a monarchy, or an Authoritarian government. He selects a man who is literally giving companies the right to poison people with pesticides and coal run-off that would pollute water. He selects a national security adviser who was in bed with Putin (Flynn). You remember him? He said he doesn't "care" about his business because running the country is "so" much more important to him. He has taken, from you too, over 60 million in tax dollars to play golf. 130 thousand a day for his wife's protection. In only three months. He selected a man (Tom Price) another scumbag who made triple his money on a biotech firm that he invested in. You think Trump is looking out for YOU? What about all the lies? What of the accusing the Intelligence community of wrong doing? How about the Flynn's collusion with Putin? Shall I go on? I don't think you have that kind of time on your hands. But please do tell me. Between Sanders and Trump, who has made life better for you? How has your life changed? Have you profited from the "Swamp" being drained? Have you profited from anything Trump has done? Emotions? That's total BS! And please don't go there, that Trump has created more jobs than Obama. Or that more companies are investing here because of THAT Fuckhead in the White House! Please don't. Good luck to you! The way things are going we're all going to need it. Please DO NOT respond to this.
n/a LeakyTrump 2017-04-07
This is great. You legitimately believe just about the worst for everything and the mainstream narrative.
Trump is controlled by Putin just like Sanders and Clinton. I am also a fascist Aryan who voted for him.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
I don't believe the worst of everything. What I did say is that Trump, with HIS false narrative was pandering mostly to his base which was extreme right wing. He knew it and I think you know it too. Never said that you are a Fascist, only that he was thinking of them when he spewed his BS. But you look back at the campaign he ran. Lock her up. Build a wall. Drain the swamp. Deport Mexicans. Ban Muslims, and so many others. Who does that appeal to? Did not appeal to me for sure. I saw what he is about. He's thin skinned. A coward. A narcissist. A jerk who has not accomplished anything positive.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
I would like to know what radio station you listen to. What cable news you watch. I would like to know why you think that the mainstream media is so "dishonest". And what do you consider mainstream. Just curious.
n/a LeakyTrump 2017-04-07
I only watch CNN and I let them read Wikileaks for me.
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
Nice! Watch Fox from now on. You'll get a better idea of where Trump gets his ideas in making his decisions. Have a good life.
n/a anakoreten 2017-04-07
Also, stop using the fake currency they created out of thin air.
n/a digiorno 2017-04-07
It'd be nice if the Bernie crowd had support of the DNC but it's seems that they're just merely tolerated.
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
Bernie would have been forced by the deep state or die to carry out the agenda. You can put a pinata in office and you'll get the same result.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
....but freemasonry has huge pull in local politics, and the zionists largely own freemasonry.
n/a OhMy8008 2017-04-07
Or you could join the Bernie crowd
n/a DrBadTouch22 2017-04-07
A lot of us got burned by this, not just you, so don't feel too bad. I personally feel like we're fucked if we do fucked if we don't honestly. No matter what puppet they put in office the same people will always be pulling the strings.
n/a DiarrheaGoddess42069 2017-04-07
I'm in the same boat as you. I honestly feel pretty ashamed of myself. I keep falling for the same lies over and over again! I was a huge Obama supporter in 2008 for the same reason (I thought he was anti-war). I guess the upside is that now we'll know to never trust politicians again.
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
Being anti-war and being stuck with a war you didn't start are two different things. One of the big reasons that many many people didn't want to invade Iraq and all that other bullshit that W created was for the very reason that it would obviously be an unending quagmire. You can't just do a quick regime change and then go back to normal. It was a neo-con fantasy, if any of the people making the decisions ever believed it at all. As much as I didn't want military action to continue, Obama tried to limit it with drone strikes (for better or for worse). To a certain degree, Trump is stuck with some of the same pre-exisintg problems, only he lacks the intelligence or morality to make the proper decisions. We're fucked.
n/a Azzmo 2017-04-07
Obama tried to get us into a war in Syria in 2013.
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
August 31, 2013: "President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress." link
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-04-07
If Bush was the iron fist, then Obama was the velvet glove. That's how the two-party duopoly works.
Obama's job was to let off some of the pressure that was building against the elites. He did that perfectly. He didn't "change" anything... he just made it more palatable for the liberals.
Where the people were rising up against the murder of foreigners in their own homes, Obama got them to support it by saying "but it could be worse!". He played the good cop to Bush's bad cop. Same team, different game plan.
n/a Simplicity3245 2017-04-07
The are of us than there are them. Independents need to set aside their leanings, and work together with the shit we do agree on, ie money in politics, the perpetual war, and the influence of state and media. The tide will be turning in the coming years, when the old guard passes. Take back our government from the ground up.
n/a I3uilderberg 2017-04-07
Same boat...same feelings. Should of known better.
n/a slick_stone_bridges 2017-04-07
It happens. I got conned up by Obama in 2008 because I didn't want psycho McCain or corrupt Hillary and he seemed to be the outsider. It was good because it helped wake me up but it also made me lose faith in the system.
n/a QuestionSleep86 2017-04-07
Our problem is that the constitution gives a low, unequal level of representation to people. Our problem is that there is no provision for a state to leave the union even if it democratically elects to do so, the precedent is to go to war. That means we have no pretense of a federation of independent states, we are an empire. Finally a pet peeve with the constitution is the exception to the ban on slavery, and the subsequent leasing of government slave labor to private industry as a source of cheap labor with no rights (https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=73).
You can't vote to change those things. You don't have the representation. You can go on strike, maybe. You can organize in your community. You can participate online. You can minimize your economic contribution to a corrupt system.
We can have beneficial, representative government, because many hands make light work. We just have to all put in a little work to set things right in our own way. Check out people like Ralph Nader, Robert Reich, and Larry Ellison for great examples to follow.
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
bingo. You can vote D or R all you want.you can even go green but same shit will continue. Even Jill stein or Jonson will have to do speeches post mid east attacks they campaign against.
n/a TheHopelessGamer 2017-04-07
Let this be your inoculation from falling for bullshit in the future.
n/a tormentedrecord 2017-04-07
Its all good, now we're a bit smarter!
n/a MassStockholmSyndrom 2017-04-07
you need a violent purge.
n/a pete_sens 2017-04-07
I was taken aback at first, but after doing some reading I think you may be overestimating the attack. If (I'll get you a big IF) Assad did this, he had to be given a message and this also puts a kink into the Trump is a puppet of Russia narrative. If Assad didn't do this, a base that apparently contains chemical weapons was heavily bombed with apparently no civilian losses and maybe just minimal military losses. If hillary or jeb or whoever was president, we would be starting a conflict with Russia right now.
n/a VirginiaPlain1 2017-04-07
Give it a few more days, we will be in conflict with Russia.
n/a pete_sens 2017-04-07
I guess that would put an end-all to the Russian puppet narrative.
n/a frog-in-a-blender 2017-04-07
No. No it wouldn't. We're not falling for that bullshit. We've been wise to Trump's corruption for the beginning. We're NOT letting this go.
n/a PadaV4 2017-04-07
uh what? Pretty sure All Syrian chemical weapons munitions where destroyed back in 2013. At least UN said us so.
n/a pete_sens 2017-04-07
Oops apologies, I forgot, we all should definitely take the UN word for face value...
n/a PadaV4 2017-04-07
And whose word are you trusting for the "contains chemical weapons" thing? Go on lets see your trustworthy sources.
n/a pete_sens 2017-04-07
Well, I'll trust the administration at this point, since there were obviously still chemical weapons there whether it was false flag/isis/assad/etc. I said I'm not necessarily in full agreement, but bombing a chemical weapon base seems less destructive than a war with Russia right now
n/a PadaV4 2017-04-07
Where the fuck do you get that there where chemical weapons. Point me to one place where the administration says there where chemical weapons on that base.
n/a baluchithyrium 2017-04-07
Sometimes become convinced of things and they don't consciously know how the conviction got in there in the first place.
n/a _Ph03niX 2017-04-07
The fact that I had to scroll down 4-5 pages to find your post that's 6min old (and doesn't really even belong here) should be a good indication why throwing your support towards any of those people is not often something that has meaningful rewards.
Broaden your vision instead of staring into blinding light.
n/a soyoumadornah 2017-04-07
Many of us feel like you. So many Trump supporters continue the "just wait and see" rhetoric... It's so obvious now.
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-04-07
it was obvious before
n/a SemiPureConduit 2017-04-07
You seriously didn't see that he was an idiot during the election?
n/a red2020 2017-04-07
"No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet." Nope. Wasn't obvious at all.
n/a realchriscasey 2017-04-07
"Delete your account" was pretty good too tho.
n/a cumdong 2017-04-07
Is an idiot like Op capable of recognizing idiocy in someone else?
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
This thread is fucking HILARIOUS.
how far r/conspiracy has fallen.
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
Ya the only people surprised by his actions going against what they "voted for" are the people that he somehow managed to trick into believing him.
n/a skratch 2017-04-07
"Believe me"
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
Done! You wanna be president?
n/a honeychild7878 2017-04-07
He didn't 'trick' them. They wanted to believe in him, so they did. He lied constantly, can not speak coherently, is a mean, sick, bigoted bastard, and for some reason, these people LOVED that.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
An idiot is better than a soul eater.
n/a Groomper 2017-04-07
I would've rather had someone who was actually competent in policy.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
The policy of selling state secrets to foreign nations? Or the policy of locking up black super-predators? Or the policy of illegally shipping drugs, Iran-contra? Or the policy of harvesting Haitian organs?
Which policy did you like the most?
n/a Groomper 2017-04-07
3 or those 4 are completely unsubstantiated.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
No, not Iran contra
Hillary heads or hubby heads the most corrupt criminal organization in the world. The clinton foundation. I would never, ever, vote for a clinton or anyone who has anything to do with them.
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n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
The... the Clinton Foundation? Are you for real?
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
The foundation is a front for laundering money, taking political bribes, and criminal activities.
Yes I am for real.
n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
How so? Because she signed off on a weapons deal that like 9 other agencies had sign off on and had been done in the past? Or because literally 1% of her meetings were with donors that wasn't directly government business? (And AP's actual example was with a friggin Nobel Prize winner). Or because of all the shitloads of serious charity work they do around the world?
Seems pretty inefficient. I'd take my bribing money elsewhere.
I'm not saying they were perfect or that the Clintons do anything to avoid this rubbing elbows image or even actuality, but the idea that this was a money laundering bribery scam is just childish. Especially when Trump's charity was, in fact a total bullshit money laundering scam. (Very low level, but it sure as shit wasn't a legit charity)
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
That's just one. Hillary is the head. You can place blame where ever you want. She got 145 million from a guy who "usted" to be in the industry. Then the deal happened.
I get it. You are stupid. You need Hillary to be directly bribed before your sheep 🐑 mind can understand it just happened.
But it happened. Just not in a manner that meets your expectations. Go live in your flowery pretend happy world. I live in the real one.
n/a MusicandWrestling 2017-04-07
You have literally explained or shown evidence for a not single thing
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
Hillarie's confidential state secret filled emails were on a private easy to access home server.
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That's just one example. You have the uranium deal example.
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Bill Clinton met with the head of the justice department says before no charges were filed against Hillary. Maybe you enjoy corruption, but this flagrant violation of ethics should get people in jail, not off criminal charges.
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The political donations, pay to play. There's several examples. Donations fell dramatically after she lost the presidency.
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Your a joke if you vote for the Clintons. Any Main Stream political candidate is a piece of shit.
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Trump tried, but he was compromised. And now he is a piece of shit too.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
Your not going to get a picture of clinton snorting a line of coke, fucking a kid, slitting a boys throat (tribute to murloch), sitting with all the worlds leaders handing her money.
That not how any of this works. Sorry buddy.
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-04-07
Removed. Rule 4.
n/a maximumhamburger 2017-04-07
Some folks have ended up pretty far up their own asses with the idea that Hillary is the most powerful person in the world. She's now lost two presidential elections, including one where she got millions more votes.
Hell, the Democrats couldn't even fill a Supreme Court vacancy.
n/a Sean4rd17 2017-04-07
He used charity money to buy a painting of himself, crashed an AIDS fundraiser without donating, and made a fake school to rob people of their savings, etc etc.
I thought it was obvious other people weren't his concern.
n/a Redshoe9 2017-04-07
Best part of that story is he stole the seat and sat there clapping for himself. Just so crass.
n/a jazzyzaz 2017-04-07
THANK YOUUUUUUU. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW WAS IT NOT GLARINGLY OBVIOUS...
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
Dude...Hillary was the other option.
also gotta love how this sub treats the President.
So glad I voted for him.
n/a TheKingOfGhana 2017-04-07
you outraged the /r/conspiracy sub doesn't like the president of the US?????? what
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
so outraged dude! OMG
n/a TheKingOfGhana 2017-04-07
more flabbergasted at stupidity
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
right!?
n/a WiseWords7 2017-04-07
No one is asking for your sympathy.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
Sure but still better than Hillary.
n/a anujfr 2017-04-07
Who else could have people voted for? Bernie?
n/a OhMy8008 2017-04-07
yeah...
n/a anujfr 2017-04-07
He was out of the race before the main event even began
n/a honeychild7878 2017-04-07
Perhaps not voting for Trump in the primaries??
n/a sha43d 2017-04-07
bbbbut 'meme wars!!!!'
jfc they scraped the bottom of the barrel for this bunch.
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
Arguing with Trump supporters feels like arguing with your grandma who's been writing checks to Nigerian scammers. I have a modicum of pity, but JESUS CHRIST GRANDMA WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS STOP WRITING CHECKS YOU'RE BEING PLAYED A FOOL.
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
Maybe it's hard to argue with them because you view them in that way, and they think it's disrespectful
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
If I tell grandma it's a scam, and the scammers back up my claims with both their words and my actions, and grandma still writes a check, her opinion that I'm being disrespectful is irrelevant.
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
If you have any hope of convincing someone by being disrespectful, you are deceiving yourself. It is very relevant. Yet liberals still wonder why the stupid inbred fucktard conservatives don't follow their advice.
I do hope your grandma finds someone capable of enough compassion to convince her not to scam away her money though
n/a DsrtStrmVet 2017-04-07
If you have any hope of convincing someone by being disrespectful, you are deceiving yourself. It is very relevant. Yet liberals still wonder why the stupid inbred fucktard conservatives don't follow their advice.
I do hope your grandma finds someone capable of enough compassion to convince her not to scam away her money though
n/a SemiPureConduit 2017-04-07
They need to suck it up.
n/a digiorno 2017-04-07
Considering he was on the ballot and won an election it is hard to deny that he was a legitimate choice. His primary race wasn't even very competitive. He was a legit candidate and he won. The issue is that we live in a country where the race for the highest office is a popularly contest between two people that the media preordains.
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
Oh yeah the media was really in the tank for Trump.
n/a SemiPureConduit 2017-04-07
If Trump was a legit candidate than Bush Jr. was one of the best candidates ever.
n/a steve93 2017-04-07
We're trying, a major part of Common Core is to teach critical thinking and force different groups to do projects researching "opposing viewpoints". Sadly, common core was marketed so poorly everyone thinks it's garbage and confuses it with "no child left behind".
n/a I_AlsoDislikeThat 2017-04-07
You didnt even need to hear his politics to know he was a fool. A 30 second video of him talking about any subject is enough to see it.
n/a zero__s 2017-04-07
sympathy? wtf u talking about? who the hell cares to have your sympathy?
n/a IndyDude11 2017-04-07
Not that I don't believe you or agree with Trump's response, but how is it "painfully obvious" the gas attack was another false flag?
n/a 702b 2017-04-07
too similar to 2013, which quite alot of evidence points was done by the rebels
n/a IndyDude11 2017-04-07
But the 2013 bombing had actual evidence. What is the actual evidence that this one wasn't what it seems?
n/a Ultimatex 2017-04-07
The evidence is that this is a conspiracy subreddit therefore everything must be a conspiracy!
n/a makeplayz 2017-04-07
Insightful
n/a RetiredTimeHo 2017-04-07
What is the actual evidence that it IS?
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
There are 3 most likely reasons for the events behind the gas attack, yet posters here act like there are only 2.
Option 1. Assad gassed his own people on purpose. Makes very little sense as many posters here have shown why.
Option 2. False Flag. Someone framed Assad to make it look like he gassed his own people to bring a international respsone. Makes a lot of sense, but that's not enough to be considered proof so we still need to keep an open mind.
Option 3. Assad had no idea chemical weapons were stored at the targets location. Call it a "accidental gassing" if you will, but this is the one that makes the most sense to me. He could still have been set up by other parties, but he was the one who sent the airstrikes so he bears responsibility for it.
n/a bearhat808 2017-04-07
Until someone can adequately explain those pictures of the White Helmets rescuing sarin gas victims without wearing adequate medical protection, then I will continue to assume it's a false flag.
http://imgur.com/a/kL1x6
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-07
OP is a drama queen
I tend to agree with this anon
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/119874943#p119876871
n/a radiofreeamerica 2017-04-07
Wouldn't it be a crazy chess move if we shifted our forces back into greater Iraq and Russia started their campaign in Syria again? Keeps the Russians busy... keeps power elite happy... we are cleaning up our own mess... and they will eventually throttle Assad into either stepping down or accepting the pipeline terms that sparked this whole mess.
n/a hamelemental2 2017-04-07
Yes, Trump will admit that he was wrong about something. I'm sure that will happen.
n/a DrHenryPym 2017-04-07
When it means proving the CIA is wrong? You bet your ass he's going to play that card.
n/a CopyX 2017-04-07
You'll be waiting a long time for that, friendo. the man has never apologized for anything.
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
Apart from the casualties
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-07
Conflicting reports of casualties should make you suspicious
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
How do we know there was even a missile strike?
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-07
We don't and I was saying this last night
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
How do you know there is even a Syria?
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-07
I'm not high enough for this conversation... ;)
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
How do you know you are even high?
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-07
go away, jaden
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
Haha, enjoy the bud, bud.
n/a Prgjdsaewweoidsm 2017-04-07
Yep, the party's over. It took a few years with Bush and Obama, but a few months in it's official with Trump.
Time to figure out how we can dismantle this whole corrupt regime.
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
as always with blood...that's the only thing that ever does it.
n/a Aintnojusticejustus 2017-04-07
Isn't worth much frankly.
n/a BigBrownBeav 2017-04-07
Me too, same boat.
n/a Thoutzan 2017-04-07
I wouldn't let the feeling get over logic, people on this sub should too.
Russian's reaction to the bombing is... pretty calm so far. And Trump was meeting Xi of China when this happened. I think all parties are pretty acknowledged before hand. Let's give it a few days to see how it plays out.
But like I predicted, globalists or nationalists, all flavors of elites want war, as they all benefit from them.
n/a bearhat808 2017-04-07
Indeed, it hasn't even been 24 hours yet. I'm taking the wait-and-see approach.
n/a d4rch0n 2017-04-07
This gives me a lot of hope. My own convoluted conspiracy theory was that Russia did the false flag attack, triggering US to react which would lead to Russian troops getting hurt and Russia using this to enter WW3 or take more steps to get closer.
If all they're saying right now is "America did a stupid thing", that defeats my conspiracy theory and we're not going to have WW3 yet. That's really 99% of what I give a shit about. Fuck who gets the pipeline going, I just don't want to see a war that will shake the world under a nuclear holocaust.
n/a trumphourenergy 2017-04-07
Only post with common sense in this entire thread
n/a cannibaloxfords 2017-04-07
The thing is, the sub at r/The_Donald, combined with the Meme Wars and the Chans is one powerful voice with the power to Meme someone into office. If we can someone redirect that force into a Third party, or .......something......
I just don't know anymore
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
They don't care. These people have nothing to lose. They don't understand the world we live in, and they don't care if we lose everything.
America is so fucking important to human society, and those clowns shat all over it for fucking memes.
n/a cannibaloxfords 2017-04-07
We were close to having the ultimate neocon war mongering guaranteed ww3 puppet sell out bohemian corporate whore in hillary. I'm not convinced trump is that, because if we all lose then he loses too. I think he got into office and realized everyone/everything around him is all swamp deepstate M.I.C. I just don't know anymore.....it's wait and see for me.
I do know that the Trump voters combined with the Chans can make big things happen, and we need a 3rd party baaaaad
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
Trump is a wolf in wolves clothing. He's not a good human being, and he's always been a selfish money grubber. Nothing happening should be a surprise.
n/a ELITISTS_ARE_SATANIC 2017-04-07
Trump has been taken over. Look at his face and eyes when he held the conference on the syria bombing. That's not the Trump we know. I'm not sure we can directly blame him. The deep state did this.
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
Are you still sticking up for Trump. He called in the air strike no one else. Stop trying to pass the blame on someone else.
n/a ELITISTS_ARE_SATANIC 2017-04-07
Wow you're dumb. You think trump has the power to make the decision on his own ? Just wow
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
You honestly think someone forced Trump to strike Syria? If so give me some good evidence to back up your outlandish claim.
n/a brandnewset 2017-04-07
You little bird brain can see it? Keep reading and leading your history son.
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
What?
n/a ELITISTS_ARE_SATANIC 2017-04-07
Dude. Do you not know how the government works?
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
Still not going to answer my question? You just going to take the strawman approach.
n/a ELITISTS_ARE_SATANIC 2017-04-07
I just told you. Trump is PUPPET. He doesn't make these decisions. They way it works in the US. He's not some dictator with unlimited power
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
Something Obama did countless times over his 2 terms, with many more casualties. This isn't some shocking move even though the concern trolls today are out in force, this is a common occurrence for the President of the United States.
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
Still doesn't make it right and Trump did it to a sovereign Nation.
n/a Kclawes 2017-04-07
Or, more realistically, he started attending meetings and briefings and realized he was way the fuck over his head and doesn't want to do the job.
n/a AlphaWolf101 2017-04-07
Why would being done with Trump mean you support Hillary? Hillary is nothing now, she's not in any position, she's not running for anything. She's completely irrelevant. Why do people insist on always talking about her?
Fuck trump. Fuck Hillary too, and fuck anyone who wanted to go into Syria.
n/a StrizzMatik 2017-04-07
because
Because
BECAUSE
BECAUSE SHE'S A FUCKING CRIMINAL, END OF STORY, AND DESERVES TO BE IN JAIL. THEY ALL DO.
n/a AlphaWolf101 2017-04-07
She's shady as fuck yeah, but tell me how is she a criminal?
n/a StrizzMatik 2017-04-07
She disseminated classified information to people without a security clearance. That's a felony and only one of several.
n/a WiseWords7 2017-04-07
Look at the documentary Clinton Cash.
n/a CardsLafter 2017-04-07
Calm your tits. Presidents butcher people, that's just the way it is. Trump's no different. Fucker lit Yemen up like it was Christmas and now he's got his sights set on Syria. They're all criminals. No one makes it to the top five rungs with clean hands. If we put them all in prison, we wouldn't have a government.
n/a StrizzMatik 2017-04-07
By all, I mean ALL of them. If they all go to prison it's not soon enough.
n/a CardsLafter 2017-04-07
I'm not saying you're wrong. But I am saying the world isn't black and white. We can't have 'good guys' fighting 'bad guys' because the bad guys don't fight fair. So we have to beat them not only at our game, but theirs as well.
:/ It's a fucking shit sandwich, I won't disagree. But we still gotta eat it and wash it down with a harsh dose of reality.
n/a Thebull54 2017-04-07
I voted for him but I'm done too.
n/a inthepines2 2017-04-07
"Involved in the meme wars" jeez this generation sucks. What a bunch of autist cucks
n/a SnakeInABox7 2017-04-07
Entire place is on fire "wow, what a spicy meme!"
n/a greyscales 2017-04-07
Who's the cuck now?
n/a inthepines2 2017-04-07
If you refer to sending semi funny pics in the internet as war then you're still the cuck.
n/a CopyX 2017-04-07
This was a fucking game to them.
Well, fuckheads, you lost.
n/a I_Edit_Some_Pictures 2017-04-07
And they don't realize until its way too late
n/a miawilder 2017-04-07
that shit made me cringe too lmao. and the worst part is he said it in a serious tone.
n/a ianvontalee 2017-04-07
Me too. I was never a huge fan, I definitely knew he wasn't ideal, and in hindsight I guess I should've known better, but this really seals the deal for me. Him, Hillary, hell even Jeb, it's the same bad result either way in the end, just mildly different paths to get there. They're all ultimately against us. I got swept up in the meme-filled Trump fervor, and for that I'm honestly a bit embarrassed, but that's life I guess. Working within a corrupt system will only give us more corruption.
n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
Vote for someone based on memes
n/a ianvontalee 2017-04-07
I didn't vote for him because of memes. I voted for him because he said he'd stop getting America into foreign boondoggles, and because Hillary was significantly worse. The memes were icing on the cake.
n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
I'd rather have her. At least we'd still have environmental protections and not have a pay to play winner in charge of our kids educational system
n/a makeplayz 2017-04-07
Lmao
n/a slyburgaler 2017-04-07
Would essentially be the same as we are now, verge of war, except not explored by a retarded businessman who destroyed the things I mentioned
n/a daslobo 2017-04-07
Any time you stop to think critically about past decisions, you get a gold star. Extra bonus points if you get involved with a solution. Now we have to collectively figure out the solution to making the middle class great again.
n/a soullessgeth 2017-04-07
dude...this is such a stupid argument...you don't realize that america has a fascistic neocon establishment...that trump is currently fighting but occassionally has too cooperate with...trump is the best possible option deal with it
n/a brandnewset 2017-04-07
Especially when they have been in (((office))) since Dec 63
n/a soullessgeth 2017-04-07
this guy is just a shill probably. the shillary types are really really losing it right now...she very well may be investigated
n/a throwawaytreez 2017-04-07
I don't get how people think this is even a consideration? She lost. We do not live in a forced dichotomy.
n/a Coldturkeypolitics 2017-04-07
2020
n/a SufferinSycophant87 2017-04-07
Crap. After all this, if somehow people find themselves having to choose between the two again, I will honestly take half a year off and just delve heavily into the occult, so I can raise the actual egyptian deity Kek, and I'm not talking about the silly cartoon frog here, no, no. However Pepe the Frogs will fall from the sky as (the real, non-silly) Kek brings another scourge upon the world for this insult on humanity.
n/a suchdownvotes 2017-04-07
Because people think that if I don't like Trump, that obviously means that I'm a ShareBlue/CTR Shill, or I just like Hillary. Fuck them both.
n/a Lemmiwinks1 2017-04-07
Saying you dislike Trump or do not support Trump in no way means you support Hillary but to many for whatever reason it's one or the other.
n/a EnoughLeftistBS 2017-04-07
This absolutism is exactly why we're so fucked. Few people voted FOR someone in this election as much as they voted AGAINST someone else.
n/a Ras-Al-Ghoul 2017-04-07
People feel a need to say it pre-emptively or they get people coming at them with "you think Hillary would've been better?!", when it's really just a realization that they both make terrible presidents.
n/a forefather6667 2017-04-07
Lol great attempt at distracting the thread...
n/a awful_website 2017-04-07
Americans are... well, to be honest, very stupid
n/a nxtnguyen 2017-04-07
There is no way Russia was not involved in the gas attack. They were at the damn airfield that the attack originated from, and right after Trump's smoke-and-mirrors missile attack (which achieved NOTHING) Russia starts pretending to get tough on Trump. Get real, this was all planned and will end in a lifting of sanctions on Russia and a couple thousand dead Syrians
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
how does that work? Currently there is MORE confrontation so lifting sanctions is completely out of left field. What's more likely is that people who don't want any agreement between US and Russia orchestrated the attack so that Trump was goaded into using missiles to show that he is not "weak". Hence more tension between US and Russia, and if US tries to attack and Russia shoots down either missiles or planes that would be another ratcheting up of tension.
n/a nxtnguyen 2017-04-07
When they meet for a peace treaty, Russia will have its sanctions lifted. Trump will roll over for Putin.
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
sanctions are not even that damaging that they would instigate a chemical attack. Or are you one of THOSE that think Putin and Russia are spawn of evil? If yes then I have nothing further to talk to you about because that is just plain stupid.
n/a nxtnguyen 2017-04-07
When your entire economy depends on oil, sanctions on oil is very damaging. A chemical attack is exactly what you would make in order to get a lot of publicity, there is no reason to use a chemical attack in today's age, the media will blow it up immediately and will cause a lot of international outrage. They have the weapons to do the same damage without using chemicals, and they did it anyways. Right afterwards all this happens. Everything done under Assad is done under Russia's watchful eye. If you believe otherwise, then you must be dumb and blind. Russians were at that airfield that the attack originated from. It's no coincidence.
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
the price of oil(and profits) dropped without the sanctions. And gas still flows easily into europe. Sanctions deal mostly with "dual purpose" things, like tech that can be used in weapons.
Saying that sanctions are crippling Russian economy is totally wrong. Yes, there is some damage. Yes it is felt by people. However the biggest damage to the economy was the price drop, a price drop that had absolutely nothing to do with the sanctions.
So this invalidates your reasoning for the attacks. Plus do you think they are really that stupid? Also there is no logic in your conclusion that somehow this is meant to lift sanctions.
n/a nxtnguyen 2017-04-07
What is your reasoning for the attacks?
n/a tehretard23 2017-04-07
There is also a 500billion dollar deal that was stopped by the sanctions. Im sure tillerson would love to see that come to fruition.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
Not if Russia concedes Assad support in the process.
n/a groman28 2017-04-07
I'm willing to entertain the idea that Putin would be willing to ditch Assad and Russian assets in Syria in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. Naval access to the Mediterranean doesn't do Putin much good if hungry Russians with pitchforks are rioting in Red Square.
n/a groman28 2017-04-07
Can't have peace talks without a conflict.
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
but sanctions were put on because of Ukraine. Lifting them because of Syria makes no sense either politically or from PR perspective
n/a Blujayz90 2017-04-07
You've got to be kidding me how would this lift sanctions. What would Russia gain from this. War mongering.
n/a cumdong 2017-04-07
Trump is the globalist's globalist. Anyone who thought otherwise is a moron and should get out of their "meme war" and into reality.
n/a MyDogLikesTottenham 2017-04-07
ITT: everything I hate about r/conspiracy
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
the concern trolls are really out in force today
n/a AustraliaWatching 2017-04-07
Waste of words - this is purely Trumps doing not a response to a false flag. Trump is calling the shots and you are all duped into thinking your votes count for shit
n/a maschine01 2017-04-07
Ok, goodbye :)
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
I really only hoped he would destabilise the establishment a bit for a while. Just enough for the current people who want more confrontation with Russia would not be able to start a war like they probably would have with Clinton in power. Well...that didn't work.
n/a illuminuti 2017-04-07
Presidents have ALWAYS been puppets. Trump is no exception.
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
It's one air strike, Obama sent out tons against Syria during his two terms so lets take a deep breath here before reacting irrationally. I'm not sure how Trump responding here is the call for WW3 some people are making it out to be. To me it comes across as concern trolling.
At this point what makes the most sense is Syria struck a position where the rebels were hiding chemical weapons, and the weapons went off making a international incident. While not as bad as intentionally "gassing his own people", it's still something that can't go unpunished. It makes sense for Trump to send a retaliatory air strike against the airfield where these strikes originated from to send a message, "If chemical weapons are used we will not stand idly by".
To me, a Bernie supporter and Obama voter in 08, there is no reason to assume Trump has gone full neocon at this point. If the war drums start getting any louder and we actually go to war with Syria over this incident then I'll start believing the hype.
n/a PolandPole 2017-04-07
You stupid Trump cuck
n/a VirginiaPlain1 2017-04-07
I was swept up in the Obama "Hope and Change" hysteria, the first time. I would have voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries but at the time, I lived in a state that doesn't have open primaries for independent voters. I voted for him a second time because Mitt Romney was useless in giving people, even staunch Republicans, a good reason to vote for him. This last election was terrible because I did NOT want to vote for the witch. I reasoned at least she would be predictable, unlike Donald Trump. We'd get more of the same s*** as we got with Obama; who knows what he will do. I do feel sorry for most Trump voters. Many may have even voted for Obama the first time, given the dissatisfaction with the Republican party for getting us into a needless war and for wrecking the economy.
It's time to realize hysteria doesn't help us at all. I'm not voting in 2020, for anyone. I've voted in every election I could since I was allowed to vote, but now I'm at the point where I'm not falling for the old line that only those who voted have the right to complain about the s***ty state of the Union and the world.
n/a WiseWords7 2017-04-07
Kanye West 2020. FTS
n/a d4rch0n 2017-04-07
Dude, vote third party!
I've been done with the hysterical bullshit for a while and from what I can tell the only people that really want to change the country for the better are sitting on the outside but still running for president because they still believe in democracy even if their chances are slim to none. These are the people that are spending tons of their own money to reach out and raise their voice even when it has the slimmest chances of even doing anything major.
We might not be able to make much of a difference, but you get a vote and you get to tell the country that you hate both bullshit candidates with it. You make a statement that your ass isn't just lazy and staying home and that you're actually politically motivated, but you legitimately think the two candidates are not worth your time. I'd rather them know that I'm one of the 5% of voters who hate their asses, not the lazy ass who "probably would've voted dem if they got their ass out of bed".
n/a damn_this_is_hard 2017-04-07
You know there were other candidates besides Trump or Hillary right?
n/a z3r0117x 2017-04-07
Guys there was 0 casualties for a reason
n/a Ozzyo520 2017-04-07
Guys, this is conspiracy. There are a million connections between Trump and Russia. This is planned. This comment sums up perfectly what is gonna happen:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/63zlzz/russia_suspends_agreement_that_prevents_direct/dfyc0ys
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n/a PolandPole 2017-04-07
Trump is just another neocon
n/a pby1000 2017-04-07
Trump needs to expose these people.
n/a StayAwayFool 2017-04-07
n/a gavypavl 2017-04-07
At least we didn't get Hillary, but Trump is also a piece of shit.
We should have been in the streets protesting when the DNC fucked over Bernie, there was hop with him.
Fuck Trump and fuck Hillary too.
n/a hoponthathighhorse 2017-04-07
How tf would Bernie have been different?
n/a pineappledown 2017-04-07
Welcome to sanity.
n/a Coldturkeypolitics 2017-04-07
This is just fucking ridiculous. Assad had literally no need to gas the people yet everyone including trump is eating it up
even on the donald subreddit they now have an anti assad stance (trump supporters online at least have been extremely pro assad, anti syria intervention) and they just going with this new narrative
I still trust the left as far as I could throw lena durnham with one hand, but now I am just completely lost because it seems trump is now involved too
n/a xhankhillx 2017-04-07
you're an idiot for not seeing his inadequacies before this attack, sorry.
it's always fine to have not supported either candidate. you didn't have to choose sides. both were awful, but trump was worse on a large scale.
n/a vwrage 2017-04-07
For what its worth, anyone staying I'm done with trump or done with all of this is a shill. We aren't 'done' until an investigation.
n/a CelineHagbard 2017-04-07
Removed. Rule 10.
n/a vwrage 2017-04-07
Should have said "fear mongering". Too in the moment. My bad.
n/a scrash 2017-04-07
One air strike doesn't amount the how much obama and bush were involved in the Middle East. I suggest waiting to see what Trump's plan is before jumping to conclusions.
n/a samuraipolice 2017-04-07
It looks like the_donald is a cult at this point
n/a Turn_off_the_Volcano 2017-04-07
Lel this sub is cucked.
n/a HairyTacoFanatic 2017-04-07
Wow the amount of tears in this thread is absurd. It's like /politics has fully leaked over into this sub. Which bye why is this in conspiracy? I thought the trump hate was limited to every sub but conspiracy and TD.
n/a AverinMIA 2017-04-07
Maybe just maybe our president has a plan that we're not privy to? Idk. I'm disappointed in the strike for sure, and preferred a much more isolationist way of thinking militarily, but I don't think Trump is falling for neocon traps. This was a shitty, lose lose situation. Media fed lies about the gas attack, choice was ignore or attack. He was screwed either way.
We all know he is not fully in control of the government. This to me seems a way to lull the deep state until he can lop off its head.
n/a thegazastripper20 2017-04-07
Trump responded to a false flag attack with a false flag attack.
He knew Syria did not deploy sarin, but had to make an action due to the hysteria.
He told Russia when and where he would strike. They removed all men and aircraft from the base.
It's all an attempt to save face with the globalists and their rabid peasants who refuse to question anything.
Don't give up on him yet, it's just another posturing move.
Bonus is that the media is now laying off now that they think he's converted to globalism.
n/a hack_it_ 2017-04-07
If this turns out to be true (which i doubt), it will be the ultimate move. But, RT reported that there were actual casualties in the strike.
n/a Sendmyabar 2017-04-07
This. It's flexing American military might to remind everyone that they have it and that Trump is in control of it.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
783D Chess.
n/a thegazastripper20 2017-04-07
If you don't have a logical argument then why bother posting trash?
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
My argument is that your argument is illogical because you're having to be very reaching in order to justify a pre-existing support of Trump
n/a thegazastripper20 2017-04-07
I don't support Trump. He's a politician. I'm not justifying shit. This isn't about my ethical worldview, it's about trying to figure out what occured.
You're also still not arguing anything, you have no concrete claims and no basis for them. You're simply lashing out at me because you don't like Trump and you're misconstruing a theory with a testament of support.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Your argument is a reach, and you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of having bias
n/a thegazastripper20 2017-04-07
I accuse people of exhibiting bias when they do so, as you claim I'm somehow trying to justify Trump's actions.
I'm seeing a story that doesn't add up and looking at the facts. You're playing identity politics.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
I'd say clearly you're the one playing identity politics. You've assumed I'm anti-Trump and that's not the case. I'm anti-war.
n/a d3rr 2017-04-07
What'd you miss his AIPAC speech?
n/a spock23 2017-04-07
Trump has been given "The Talk" that all presidents get. He will be compliant going forward.
It's that, or a free convertible ride in Dallas.
n/a Slingyman 2017-04-07
It's all a shitshow
n/a danimalplanimal 2017-04-07
100% with you. This is getting ridiculous. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, and I'm only standing by that more and more. This is the exact same gamelan that Hillary would have ran with if elected...fucking indefensible if you ask me.
n/a OhMy8008 2017-04-07
I voted for Jill Stein. I knew she wouldn't win and I know that she has some ridiculous positions. The mockery from both sides is funny considering the country ripped itself apart because of how much both candidates were equally hated. I don't regret my vote, this had to happen and I'm glad it happened in 2016 as opposed to 2020, and I'm glad it was a moron as opposed to a smooth talker. I didn't fucking stutter when I said Bernie or bust.
n/a danimalplanimal 2017-04-07
100% with you
n/a jubway 2017-04-07
Why is it necessary to say you don't support Hillary just because you have stopped supporting Trump? Not supporting one does not mean supporting the other. Both are despicable.
n/a McLarenX 2017-04-07
Sadly our people's revolution will undoubtedly require violence to get anything done. And with such a pacified and pussified population it will never happen. We're approaching a dystopian future and fast.
n/a saulgould917 2017-04-07
your onto something OP, he may have sold himself out to the war mongering Neocons, and sided with the crazed murderous psychopath Generals. its biz as usual now, war and more wars, and Trump may have duped his most loyal supporters with this move.
n/a wOLFman4987 2017-04-07
You voted him into power though. You and all the other blindly faithful participants of the "meme wars". He was this person the entire time, he was just selling you lies. He's another other puppet being controlled by the same masters as Hillary, and once again America fell for it.
n/a krillwave 2017-04-07
Thank you for being wise enough to admit when you are wrong. Keep growing as a human and keep learning. It's time to really drain the swamp, Trumps only filled it with alligators.
n/a Bobbafeck 2017-04-07
I don't think you were seriously aboard the Trump train to begin with.
n/a TimeViking 2017-04-07
Glad to see you waking up the real world, OP.
n/a neighborhoodsniper 2017-04-07
I was/ am a Trump supporter from day 1, but slowly he has been losing my faith. Now I don't think I am ready to say I am completely done with supporting him yet, because I do want to see how this pans out. For all I know he could be being played himself, (ie: JFK style). But the second he started getting all buddy buddy with Israel on the campaign trail I started getting iffy about my support. I am not making a decision yet, but he is certainly toeing the line right now. What is interesting to see is the almost parallel group think that hit the US after 9/11 going on right now. The people who were once completely against US intervention in the middle east are now up in arms ready to strike, that to me is crazy.
n/a d4rch0n 2017-04-07
Getting played or not, that still makes a POTUS a puppet in my book. If your presidential ass will do what someone wants because they can trick you, you're just as good as a puppet.
n/a MAGADOCIO 2017-04-07
Well shit, we lost eyes_are_truth.
I guess we'll just have to settle for the presidency, both houses of congress, the supreme court, and 3/4s of governorships and state legislatures.
n/a petrus4 2017-04-07
I thought a key element of the whole MAGA plan, was rebuilding America itself domestically, and no longer bombing/invading other countries. What happened to that?
n/a MrNagasaki 2017-04-07
I mean, he's basically doing what Killary already promised during her campaign. Of course this doesn't turn us into Hillary supporters.
n/a ProdigalTrev 2017-04-07
Bye
n/a HollowScope 2017-04-07
I wasn't a fan of trump or Hillary and I still don't like that we bombed Syria. Aren't we done with that shit?
It's a whole new can of worms..
n/a Light_of_Lucifer 2017-04-07
I too am a veteran of the Great Meme War of 2016/17. As a distinguished veteran and accomplished shit poster & upvoter I helped reduce our enemies to rubble. But I NEVER subscribed to the group think which is now overtaking t_d. After the distinguished service they decide to ban me for speaking out against this illegal bombing of Syria which directly contradicts what Trump ran on. It is disgusting and I will make sure agent orange suffers during his reelection and soundly loses. They are losing real people every single day over there on t_d and replacing them with bots.
n/a well_hello_there_4_4 2017-04-07
now overtaking t_d? As in "only just now beginning g to happen now? You're a moron, that's what you are buddy.
It might seem harsh and unconstructive but you lot all need a good fucking slap to the face if you're ever going to learn anything.
n/a Light_of_Lucifer 2017-04-07
Gross response
n/a Thoutzan 2017-04-07
As bad as it looks, the minimal damage to the airbase and evacuation before the strike does trigger some suspicion. Adding to it is the hardcore supporters like PJW and Ann Coulter are hastily and publicly jumping ship, it's looks somehow like a show.
n/a SemiPureConduit 2017-04-07
Holy crap r/the _donald is banning ACTUAL trump supporters now.
n/a Todos1881 2017-04-07
They have been doing that for a while but when things like last night happen a lot of people get banned because they have no choice.
9 out of 10 ppl in there are not happy he actually dropped bombs last night. But they all lie to eachother to keep the image going.
This time yesterday the entire front page of t_d had nothing but evidence showing the chemical attack was a false flag and that we need to get Trump's attention to show him it was a false flag lmaooo.
Then he drops bombs and a ton of people flipped shit and couldn't believe it. Then their comments started getting deleted and they were getting banned. Then the echo chamber effect kicked in for those who are left and the only consensus allowed now is "our god emperor is playing 9D chess. He killed the Putin narrative and scared the shit out of north korea!"
If Assad had actually gassed his people I would have said that this strike by Trump was actually executed very well. But the bottom line for me is I'd bet my bottom dollar Assad didn't order some small chem strike that would do nothing but make the world call for him to be attacked. Which he was last night.
n/a Redshoe9 2017-04-07
I don't care how you get here ...just get here. You tired of being ruled by the rich? Ready to really make the country belong to the people and not the corps? I am.
n/a popups4life 2017-04-07
Your first sentence shows what's wrong with the average trump supporter...
Why is that a thought? You voted for trump for a reason and you are unhappy with what he's doing, period. I voted for Gary Johnson, but a few negative trump comments and people instantly label me a hillary supporter for some reason. There shouldn't be a correlation between the two, especially since the election is long over!
Voice your opinion, you're not locked in to supporting your candidate anymore and blind support for the leader of a country is a terrible thing to have...
n/a chaseemall 2017-04-07
I'm fucking hurt. I'm angry. I blame the fucking moderates. But look at who he was 4 years ago, a year ago, and what the government meat grinder has done to him.
It makes me angry. It makes me want the US Government to have literally everyone in it gone, and just to start over. make the globalists work another century to corrupt things again.
n/a Panseared_Tuna 2017-04-07
This is almost word for word what shills on 4chan are writing.
Hope you enjoy your monies!
n/a rillo561 2017-04-07
Meh, at least with Hillary I didn't believe she was anything than she wasn't. I saw the Trump con a mile away.
n/a Gymnastes_Herodicus 2017-04-07
What the FUCK does this have to do with conspiracy. Get this out out out.
n/a Enzo_SAWFT 2017-04-07
I was wondering that myself. Theres alot of non conspiracy stuff today. Some Trump stuff can be tied, but alot today seems to not even be trying to link it to conspiracy
n/a Metriacanthosaurus 2017-04-07
What evidence is there of this?
It concerns me that there is basically no chance of this sub believing anything other than this, regardless of evidence.
n/a AlwaysTurning 2017-04-07
If it makes you feel anh better it concerns all of of us that you still cant see it.
n/a tchollinginthedeep 2017-04-07
I can't believe this hasn't been gilded yet.
n/a IncontinenceAIDS 2017-04-07
My gay lover has recently become emotionally abusive towards me and I don't know what to do about it.
n/a Stalin_2020 2017-04-07
It's a bit ironic that it was so hard to convince this sub that the President of the United States is lying to them.
He said "I'm gonna bomb the shit out of them" as well as "we should have never gone in (to Iraq)" like those don't contradict each other during his campaign
He's not a lier he's a very literal con man, say what the room wants to hear to make a sale. Everyday the lie was new and exciting, that's what made him seem honest next to normal liars like Bernie and Hillary. He lied so much it gave everyone from pacifist to warmonger a statement they could hold onto to vote for him.
I mean Bush was an outsider conservative campaigning on avoiding failed interventions (Clinton in Kosovo) and what happened? He instantly went back on everything he said just like daddy. Literally the only reason I voted Hillary other than the economy was she seemed to genuinely regret the Iraq authorization. I mean she sucks but come on, people died. She's not quite hitler and I'm a damn commie so I don't exactly love the women
As for Trump well he's pulling shit like this while he isn't bombing random countries
n/a ClassytheDog 2017-04-07
Trump supports are the ones responsible for making it a finite decision on 'if you don't support Trump then you support Hillary or Bernie'. You don't have to support anyone the media is pushing for president
n/a atheist_cat_ 2017-04-07
You people are just fucking stupid. This is why Trump is one of the smartest out there. He know what's he's doing. None of you understand the level of intellect on the President. SAD.
n/a SnugMeatSocks 2017-04-07
n/a obsilith 2017-04-07
this isn't a politics sub. Take your shill shit elsewhere.
n/a The_Conald 2017-04-07
Welcome to the team. Most of us don't like Hilary either.
n/a Novusod 2017-04-07
Former TRUMP supporter also checking in here.
Syria was my RED LINE. I will not support a war monger.
Trump in 2013: "To our very foolish leader DO NOT attack Syria. If you do many very bad things will happen and from that fight the US gets NOTHING."
Trump could have been a hero, instead he choose to be a ZERO. What an idiot... What a moron...
n/a timbobbys 2017-04-07
"Meme wars" honestly good in you for coming to some sort of sense but you can still go fuck yourself
n/a Balthanos 2017-04-07
Removed. Rule 4.
Warning, further violations may result in a ban.
n/a TrumpCanada 2017-04-07
I say we wait a week before jumping to conclusions. I've thought he shit the bed before and it was actually a great move. Let's see what happens.
n/a Captain_Catco 2017-04-07
Its kinda funny, we always knew the president had no sway on congress... Now even the guy from the Apprentice is blowing the military industrial complex
n/a kraftwerkd 2017-04-07
might as well rename this sub to /r/politics2
n/a callmebaiken 2017-04-07
I'm in same place
n/a VenomousVoice 2017-04-07
I strongly concur. I too had hoped that, even though he obviously wasn't any kind of "people's hero", he might be just the right type of egomaniac to really fuck up the old cartel. But there's no longer any margin of a chance that he hasn't been bought or blackmailed by the real PTB.
Thank God we have a full-scale civilizational reboot coming by up in this lifetime.
n/a kizerflowzay 2017-04-07
For what its worth, you should be done with the whole democratic system.
n/a joe_jaywalker 2017-04-07
All the people who are done with Trump should record a hit song called "Done With Trump" and then the only people who will be cooler and smarter than them are the sage master-seers who never liked him in the first place.
n/a SharpieInNastassja 2017-04-07
As someone who saw through Trump but was fooled by Obama--good on you. Admit the mistake and don't get fooled again. Suckering is at the top of a politician's job description whether they're from the Red Plutocrat Party or the Blue Plutocrat Party.
n/a joondori21 2017-04-07
Why does this sub care?
n/a invisible__hand 2017-04-07
Let's work together to get rid of both of these corrupt parties. That's exactly what they don't want. Spread the message and unite.
n/a crondor99 2017-04-07
OP is playing 2D Chess.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Same. As long is Trump is beginning wars, I will stand against him. If he stops being a warhawk, I will begin to give him the benefit of the doubt again.
The major reason I railed against Hillary was because her war stance on Syria. Now Trump is emulating that same policy.
It's obvious the military-industrial complex allows us no real choice in our 2-party voting system. I'm done pretending.
n/a Rhodenclan 2017-04-07
You were looking for a savior and all you got was another false prophet.
n/a invisiblepinch 2017-04-07
Agree; have to say, I think many feel the say way. I feel he doesn't have the mental capacity/education/emotional stability (but then I believed this from the start, this isn't NEW) to be POTUS or a politician. Yeah, he knows how to talk shit to "make a deal", but he lacks big time. His backers think he can 'make things better', but IMO, it ain't gonna happen.
Seems like there's a lot of shit in his "closet" (I'm just saying), this is not to say that politicians don't come with a lot of 'baggage'. If anyone is going to be HONEST, they can (at least) admit that most politicians are taking "money under the table" from someone/some corp.
Politics is a scam, far as I'm concerned. HOW long will it take for people to realize that they are being played?
n/a d4rch0n 2017-04-07
To be fair, none of that matters anymore when it comes to Syria. It obviously doesn't matter who you voted for when it comes to our intervention in Syria.
Something tells me the same people are calling the shots, no matter who wins the election. This is so far from shit he's said before that I have to think he was compromised by a higher power. Maybe the CIA have Trump as their puppet now. Whatever the case, Trump and Hillary probably share the same puppetmaster.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
If the Green Party's Jill Stein were our president, that wouldn't have happened, just saying.
n/a myles_cassidy 2017-04-07
Hillary Clinton became irrelevant the moment the election was over. It's sad how now you cannot be critical of Trump without the implication of a Hillary supporter. Maybe before the election the implication could be valid, but now it's now 'Hillary vs Trump', it's 'Trump the President'.
I'm not trying to criticise you for saying you are not a Hillary supporter, I'm just pissed off/disappointed there is an environment where you, especially now, have to declare that before you criticise the government.
n/a detcadder 2017-04-07
Its 12am and the gleaming chariot turned back into a pumpkin. That isn't where the Cinderella story ends though.
n/a AllTheWayTrump 2017-04-07
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
n/a __n8__ 2017-04-07
I completely agree. Another revolution is the only way things will change.
n/a El_Taco_Boom 2017-04-07
Trump is a fool. That's all you really had to type. Most politicians suck. Most as in all.
n/a The_HumanoidTyphoon 2017-04-07
Me too. I'm totally an ex-Drumpf supporter. I no longer support Drumpf over an air strike that git nothing and was most likely a diversion or warning to what's happening in Syria.
Trust me, I'm a civilian that gets their information from illegitimate sources. I know what goes on behind closed doors at the White house.
He'll, I can replace that phony Drumpf and run office.
n/a Heinrich_Luftwaffe 2017-04-07
Lol you actualy thought he was going to be a good president? How stupid are you?
n/a footballwhileworking 2017-04-07
Fake post
n/a awful_website 2017-04-07
I always knew Trump would stab me in the back
I never could have predicted it would hurt this badly though
I hope there's a special place in Hell for him AND the daughter wife
n/a FRZU 2017-04-07
This sub was taken over by Shareblue long before the Syria bombing, but I Was just reminded of that face when browsing today. Can anyone give me a rough timeframe if when that happened?
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-04-07
Ever since the PissGate dossier this sub has been under attack. New mods sealed the deal you can just look at when the mods we added to track it's demise just like every other sub on this website
n/a Chill_Confirmed 2017-04-07
Luckily 14 year olds have no say in our government so this is a pointless post.
n/a KiwiBattlerNZ 2017-04-07
Many Obama supporters felt the same way after "change you can believe in" became "same shit, different asshole".
It is their new tactic - they know that Old Media and Old Politics isn't selling well anymore, so now they have rebranded.
People like me were warning the Obamabots and the Trumpbots that they were being suckered, but the desire for change blinded them. They were so desperate to believe, that no amount of evidence could change their mind until it was far too late.
The simple fact is, good or bad, if the media is talking about someone, they are promoting them. "There is no such thing as bad publicity". So the more the media attacks or defends someone, the more you can be sure they are beholden to the elites.
It's the people the media refuse to talk about that you should be supporting (or at least considering) - the Ron Pauls and Bernie Sanders... the ones the media tells you have no chance and are not even worth thinking/talking about.
They are your best hope. But even then... in this system... it's a tiny hope.
n/a thatguyad 2017-04-07
So many people are being awakened to how this all works. It's rinse and repeat.
n/a Swansonbreakfast 2017-04-07
I'm with you as well. He sold us all out for his Soros/Israel owned Son. Very sad
n/a pete_sens 2017-04-07
Oops apologies, I forgot, we all should definitely take the UN word for face value...
n/a CHUNKY_VAG_DISCHARGE 2017-04-07
If you look at Trumps contract w/ the american ppl he has actually fufilled most of his promises. Show me proof of a false flag gas attack. And i mean real proof.
n/a madlyrogue 2017-04-07
I think you're bang-on about how much of his crowd were conspiracy/truth guys. It's why he won, IMO. Unfortunately for him, most of those aren't afraid to change their opinion and were only skeptically supportive.. I consider myself in that category. I'm not ready to say I'm done with him yet but we're getting closer
n/a radiofreeamerica 2017-04-07
Ron Paul supporters repeat part III
n/a StrizzMatik 2017-04-07
By all, I mean ALL of them. If they all go to prison it's not soon enough.
n/a INTELDracula 2017-04-07
Are you still sticking up for Trump. He called in the air strike no one else. Stop trying to pass the blame on someone else.
n/a BorisKafka 2017-04-07
Chew Soap
n/a Kclawes 2017-04-07
Or, more realistically, he started attending meetings and briefings and realized he was way the fuck over his head and doesn't want to do the job.
n/a brandnewset 2017-04-07
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me every 8 years. Shame on USA.
n/a omnidub 2017-04-07
The whole world doesn't feel betrayed by him. Most people could see through his lies clear as day. It's just a shame there were enough people out there that were gullible enough to get this clown elected.
n/a ZweiHollowFangs 2017-04-07
You don't even leave this sub.
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Local elections are important, but if you want control over our military (foreign policy) then you need to win the presidency. Bernie almost did it with a 2 year campaign and without public knowledge of DNC/Clinton corruption & lies.
Now that progressives know that going through the Democratic Party is a dangerous waste of time (they literally wasted 6 years of our lives (2 years campaign + at least 4 years of a Trump presidency) we will have a much better shot at putting together a grassroots movement for 2020 because the innovators / early adopters won't be building up a Democrat's campaign.
Join me at /r/New_Movement as we work on putting together a 3 year viral campaign. We want to roughly this first year of Trump's presidency to scout out hopefuls for 2020 and select the best/most electable one. And then we hit social / grassroots hard.
n/a Trontaun79 2017-04-07
I'm not a trump supporter, but why would what is effectively a warning strike against an airfield make you feel let down? This isn't starting WW3, this is something Obama did many times with many more casualties.
n/a Herculius 2017-04-07
Welp. Guess this means I'm with David Brock now. We should call for Trump's death or impeachment in the streets. I've got pitchforks. /s
I always thought he was pretty stupid and could be influenced towards dumb shit, I also thought he wasn't a career politician and could be influenced to do some non-establishment shit. "all hope lost" "sky is falling people" are still being ridiculous.
This Syria move is a bad one, but this still doesn't categorically remove all possibility of him doing some good and non-establishment things. I still hate David Brock, I still hate John McCain, I still hate regime change and will be very vocal about opposing further action in Syria.
To me not much has changed.
Republicans still corrrupt
Democrats still corrupt
MSM still corrupt
Trump still new, self-serving, stupid
Trump also still can potentially be influenced to challenge and keep pressure on Dems/Reps/MSM
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
For me, backing Bernie was the only way out of the BS. Schultz and Brazile, Comey, and Putin, fucked that up good.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
The policy of selling state secrets to foreign nations? Or the policy of locking up black super-predators? Or the policy of illegally shipping drugs, Iran-contra? Or the policy of harvesting Haitian organs?
Which policy did you like the most?
n/a doesnotdeliver 2017-04-07
Are you concerned that Epsteins good friend and accused child rapist, has refused to investigate pizzagate?
I was hoping he would get to the bottom of it and save the children but the longer he covers it up, the more sure I am that he is the center of it.
n/a herefromyoutube 2017-04-07
No offense but this is the GOP dude. They say one thing and do another. Convincing you the enemy is everybody except the wealthy. Reagan, bush, now Trump. Obama could have been great but, unbeknownst to many Conservatives apparently, you need congress and guess what he had congress for all of 2 MONTHS! In which he was able to pass obamacare but only after he was forced to take out the most important part that kept EVERYTHING in check. The public option. (Fuck you Joe Liberman.)
Stop voting RED for RED. Seriously. www.opensecrets.org
Look up you reps. See who they actually represent clear as day.
n/a Yuri_Is_Master 2017-04-07
Look at all of the fair weather supporters who don't deserve a coat. Crying with no solutions? SAD!
n/a theAverage_Geologist 2017-04-07
True. We would of gone into the same war if Hillary was elected also, sooooo who knows.
n/a Terkala 2017-04-07
Wait... Even after Hillary said she would do this on day 1 in office. Without doing anything to avoid war with Russia?
That is fairly stupid. You're just choosing the greater evil just because it's slightly more honest.
n/a DavidBernheart 2017-04-07
I'm confidant that humans and fish can co-exist peacefully.
n/a SCP239 2017-04-07
Yea, that's the problem. People are more swayed by high school insults than actual policy.
n/a meatduck12 2017-04-07
Intervention is not strictly limited to war. Also we dropped 26k bombs last year and that number's gone up in the months Trump has been president. We're pretty much in an endless war.
n/a miharuhojo 2017-04-07
He may have caused a democratic sweep has his movement been allowed to follow the momentum and trajectory it was going. Don't forget the DNC and MSM colluded to destroy it.
n/a DiscoConspiracy 2017-04-07
Nyet.
n/a Hedonopoly 2017-04-07
Yeah, you're not for anything except 20/20 hindsight.
n/a DiscoConspiracy 2017-04-07
Is this admission that there is truth in this speculation? Do you deny 100% that there is any possibility it is speculation close to the truth.
Tell me. Admit, or not admit, everything.
n/a Hedonopoly 2017-04-07
Remember when Trump stopped the drone strikes? Wait, what, he increased them?
n/a mcvey 2017-04-07
I imagine you have to legally be an adult to get drafted.
n/a CopyX 2017-04-07
Think again
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-admin-ups-drone-strikes-tolerates-more-civilian-deaths-n733336
n/a AdviseMyAdvice 2017-04-07
Huh?
Maybe you should read this...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/17/this-chart-shows-what-your-paycheck-will-look-like-under-bernie-sanders-tax-plan/
The increase in taxes if offset by the savings they'll see by not paying for healthcare. Since when is saving money a bad thing?
I'm not a scientist but 99% of them believe in global warming.
Well certain programs at least, like Medicare, are run extremely efficiently, so you might be right.
n/a katamuro 2017-04-07
not as damaging as the price drop in oil was. That's the point I was making. Yes obviously there was damage but it was the price of oil that was the real damage and not the sanctions. At the same time EU was losing billions because of the sanctions, and had to buy a few things from US it used to be on the cheap from Russia.
n/a girlfriend_pregnant 2017-04-07
dude, I hope you have that moment when you realize you are a useful idiot for the aristocracy. when a company like walmart exploits labor to the extreme and pays zero taxes, its a problem.
n/a thenotoriousbtb 2017-04-07
Tbh you should have outgrown that tactic by middle school...
n/a happycatbasket 2017-04-07
Sure, whatever.
But what they were saying is "why is this relevant?" The election is over. Giving a shit about Hillary support has nothing to do with no longer supporting Trump. Hillary lost. We all know this.
/u/throwawaytreez said "We do not live in a forced dichotomy" because mentioning not giving Hillary support in OP's post sure implies that they think somewhat along those lines.
n/a NoxoTeus 2017-04-07
I will reiterate. Not all of us are duped in thinking the vote counts. Certainly not after the DNC fraud. No, many of us know it's all placebo. We have no real voice at all. Don't let the stupid Yank stereotype cause for the assumption that we are all that.
n/a DiarrheaGoddess42069 2017-04-07
I'm pretty shocked. Syria was probably the one issue he was consistent on- "no more regime change wars".
n/a pingveno 2017-04-07
I supported Hillary during the campaign partially because phrases like "bomb the shit out of" and "take out their families" directly contradicted some of his anti-intervention sentiment. It was obvious to me that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth to appease both hawks and war-weary people.
n/a ELITISTS_ARE_SATANIC 2017-04-07
While I partly agree I don't think Trump knew how bad it would get, how tough the job would be. I think he truly thought he could make change but it all got out of hand.
n/a thisismytrollacct99 2017-04-07
This is propoganda. When they say growth they mean growth for the very rich
n/a maximumhamburger 2017-04-07
Eh, they're a bunch of mean-spirited dumbasses, but I still don't want them forced into a warzone without their consent.
n/a Redshoe9 2017-04-07
When his budget asked for more money for weapons but not pbs or meals on wheels ...everyone knew it was a matter of time before war happened. That's like buying a Lamborghini and never taking to for a drive.
n/a iemploreyou 2017-04-07
How do you know you are even high?
n/a bartink 2017-04-07
This sub is pretty damn black and white. For instance, is this a case flag? Definitely obviously no question. Not probably or maybe or let's wait and see as more evidence comes forward. Nope. That kind of uncertainty is for the sheeple. We know better. Only the Jews can cause this.
n/a EliteAsFuk 2017-04-07
I would assume they will this time, but again, what do we get? We might stop the corruption we're seeing right now, or slow it... But the steady march towards favoring the upper echelons continues.
We, the people, really need to stop bickering over sides, and realize that it's not left vs right, but us vs them. We have the power to make this country great again. Not some clown with a slogan.
n/a bearhat808 2017-04-07
Let's not pretend that the Democrats aren't equally bought out.
They're all owned by the same people.
n/a anakoreten 2017-04-07
Also, stop using the fake currency they created out of thin air.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
Trust? How about acknowledging that even their public positions are toxic.
n/a VirginiaPlain1 2017-04-07
Donald Trump is turning out not to be the Cthulhu candidate. He's fulfilling easy campaign promises like the wall and deporting illegal immigrants but he's not going to do much else.
n/a Muslerra 2017-04-07
/r/politics has more wacky conspiracy theories than r/conspiracy
n/a crielan 2017-04-07
I'm rubber you're glue
whatever you say
bounces off of me
and sticks to you
n/a Shapeshiftedcow 2017-04-07
The thing is though, Bernie isn't the kind of politician to play the "character" game unless the person is legitimately unfit to hold public office by way of character, policy, or qualification (like Trump), and as far as I can recall, he went out of his way to try to shift the conversation away from the "damn emails" and personal attacks toward the policies that actually affect American citizens on a daily basis. He never came out and said "this person is unfit" until Trump was a legitimate threat, and only about Trump. He obviously disagreed with Clinton on several issues, but he didn't make some kind of transparent 180 endorsement like Ted Cruz did, and as much as it might pain people to say, she has been in politics for years and knows a hell of a lot more about what she's doing (even if she does shitty things in positions of power) than Donald ever will, and would be preferable to the current administration despite her shortcomings. Shit, Donald's "qualification" was that he wasn't qualified apparently, because he isn't a politician; what kind of bullshit is that?
On top of that, Bernie never did sell out his values. His campaign worked with Clinton and the DNC to get several progressive policies installed in the Clinton campaign's mission statement. Would it have made a difference in her day-to-day policies if she had been elected? Who knows, but he DID try to make sure her campaign was palatable to progressives, and he did try to make sure that SOMEONE had a chance at beating Trump. In the end, Clinton was just bad enough a candidate and one enshrined in so much controversy that she lost to a complete shitbird, albeit one taking advantage of peoples' ignorance, fear, and need for a sense of renewed hope.
That said, I don't think there was any scenario where Bernie could have won after the primary season or done something different to sway the results of the election. If he didn't concede his primary loss, the vote would have been split. If he did, I can't say with much certainty it would have ended much differently; I don't know if enough people would vote for an independent candidate for president in the current dichotomy, even if it's Bernie. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day, the Democratic Party and Trump (and his various handlers) are 100% at fault for this loss, and despite him and everyone else in this country being fucked over, Bernie's still fighting for us with the same values and fervor he always has.
n/a Blujayz90 2017-04-07
As opposed to a psychopathic cunt? Don't blame young people for your fucked up country and problems.
n/a 1tepa1 2017-04-07
Then you get more of the same shit. What are you expecting to change when you have two options that both are just fronts for the same power?
n/a petedacook 2017-04-07
True. Thanks for getting me back on track.
n/a Ozzyo520 2017-04-07
Isn't that the essence of a conspiracy? Isn't that what r/conspiracy is all about? Don't all posts boil down to "maybe it is, maybe it's not"?
It goes against your narrative and agenda though so better dismiss it.
n/a pijinglish 2017-04-07
Not really. The world feels betrayed by the people who elected him into the most powerful position on the planet. The whole world tried to warn you over and over again that he was glaringly incompetent and corrupt, but you wouldn't listen. He wasn't even subtle about it -- every time he opened his mouth, every goddamned day of the election and of his presidency, he outright says something that any decent person would be ashamed of, but now we're stuck with this crooked asshat who's tearing apart our country and our relationships with our allies. I don't feel betrayed. I feel sad because I was right.
n/a digiorno 2017-04-07
It'd be nice if the Bernie crowd had support of the DNC but it's seems that they're just merely tolerated.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
Hillarie's confidential state secret filled emails were on a private easy to access home server.
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That's just one example. You have the uranium deal example.
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Bill Clinton met with the head of the justice department says before no charges were filed against Hillary. Maybe you enjoy corruption, but this flagrant violation of ethics should get people in jail, not off criminal charges.
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The political donations, pay to play. There's several examples. Donations fell dramatically after she lost the presidency.
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Your a joke if you vote for the Clintons. Any Main Stream political candidate is a piece of shit.
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Trump tried, but he was compromised. And now he is a piece of shit too.
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
Bernie would have been forced by the deep state or die to carry out the agenda. You can put a pinata in office and you'll get the same result.
n/a AFuckYou 2017-04-07
Your not going to get a picture of clinton snorting a line of coke, fucking a kid, slitting a boys throat (tribute to murloch), sitting with all the worlds leaders handing her money.
That not how any of this works. Sorry buddy.
n/a VenomousVoice 2017-04-07
Rockafellers are in thrall to Rothschilds. All picks are Rothschilds's.
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
He's a Israeli puppet, that's much worse than Russian puppet.
n/a JedYorks 2017-04-07
-tfw live in cali
-they're going to raise gas another doller per gallon
-4 dollars per gallon soon
fuck them.
n/a eupf 2017-04-07
have you heard of central banking? They haven't
n/a JumboReverseShrimp 2017-04-07
This has to be the most obvious false flag of all time.
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
You're making a shit comparison. It's not high school. lol
It would be like a gay person saying to a straight person "well you're a faggot!"
and then the straight person saying..."No...no...you are a faggot"
n/a TheHighestEagle 2017-04-07
Someone on r/conspiracy defending hillary clinton
LMAO.
You guys are funny.
n/a popupguy 2017-04-07
Wait, how is finding that funny inconsistent with hating Trump. The whole reason people remember that is because it made it seem like a child throwing a tantrum and it was hilarious.
n/a inthepines2 2017-04-07
If you refer to sending semi funny pics in the internet as war then you're still the cuck.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
....but freemasonry has huge pull in local politics, and the zionists largely own freemasonry.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
So you bring up an example about the primaries, and then when someone else does the same you say it doesn't matter because the election is over? Ridiculous.
n/a magnora7 2017-04-07
Too bad it's still used on reddit like a hundred times a thread
n/a OhMy8008 2017-04-07
Or you could join the Bernie crowd
n/a I_AlsoDislikeThat 2017-04-07
It's because they circlejerked the election so hard they now identify with it.
n/a makedesign 2017-04-07
If anything this should just be evidence of exactly how "persuasive" the powers that be are... Obama was a bright and shiny idealist before we took office as well. Which isn't to say that he or Trump were perfect prior to office (far from it), but their idealist didn't last long once the rubber hit the road and TPTB began leaning on them.
Really makes you have to admire JFK and wonder just how much he was pissing them off to warrant being outright assassinated in public.
n/a gingakei 2017-04-07
Well, that is the party that doesn't have a Superdelegate system in their primaries. Remind me, what party is that again?
n/a Mic_Marc 2017-04-07
I know conservatives love that talking point, but you have to look at the picture here. My taxes, during my life time, have never gone down. Not under a Republican nor Democrat. The people that see tax breaks are always the upper 5%. Bernie's idea was to make those people pay just a little more. And I say why not, if I have to pay a little more?
n/a datwayAlgerian 2017-04-07
Bruhhhh fina-fuckin-ly. Someone who sees the through the facade that is originators of illuminati/NWO aka Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and other global elitist. Israel is the top dog and owns the USA like a damn puppet making us do all the dirty work while those bloodlines and associated get unfathomably rich of wars, finiacial crisises, and other fucked shit going on in the world
n/a Chokaholic 2017-04-07
I've heard people say "he's changed his strategy because he has learned some things since being in office", to which I call bullshit. He knew the deal the whole way through. He's a traitor to the people.
n/a awful_website 2017-04-07
And what race are rhey?
JEW
n/a heretakethewheel 2017-04-07
So this time we elected the Rothchilds crazy, old neighbor who lives in a fucking golden tower who knows dickall about anything except reality TV and real-estate. That surely won't backfire.
n/a well_hello_there_4_4 2017-04-07
Assad does have a funny habit of gassing his people when it makes very little sense (even for a brutal dictator) to do so.
The fact that obvious Russian propaganda outlet t_d is working overtime to whitewash the whole thing in Trump's favour also supports this theory. If Trump actually pissed off Russia that sub would change overnight, so clearly he hasn't.
n/a Faggotitus 2017-04-07
And agreed to not criticize Hillary and agreed to not to cause a contested convention and likely got a $600k check for this agreement.