Reddit just wiped the video of a doctor being dragged from United Airlines plane. It was sitting at the number one spot and the company didn't like it...
Just further proof Reddit is controlled by it's advertisers. That heartbreaking video was the top of the front page and gave United Airlines a bad name. They needed it gone.
Servers were all fucked up on friday. Right now it's "redditor restores photo, everyone gets gold". I have no proof, but that screams "shit is falling apart because we have all this content to store, but no one uses the site BC spez so let's make buying gold the cool thing to to do".
This happened to me when my airline video went viral and to #1 on the front page. American Airlines flight attendants were caught mistreating a passenger who did nothing wrong.
Made it to #1 here then Reddit nuked it citing, of all things, YouTube copyright! For MY video! Ha ha.
Yeah Reddit has been compromised for some time now...
I just love the knee-jerk reaction of calling 'conspiracy' every time someone's front page doesn't look the way they think it should. Just because you can't see it on your front page any longer doesn't mean reddit censored the article. My front page has two articles linking to the video, two more articles with separate discussions about overbooking, plus this post... and all of those articles are hours older than your post. If there was such a conspiracy to remove the discussion about the airline, don't you think ALL of the articles would have been squashed?
after the initial outcry that they were censoring posts, the creator of r/videos made r/PoliticalVideo. r/videos used to link to r/politicalvideo, but not anymore.
Yeah same, but something about rules and free speech in general gets a few people angry then all of a sudden all of reddit is up in arms about their rights.
So I'm not objectifying an opinion, just soaking in and analyzing what's happening today, and this video from United Airlines is pretty interesting.
Don't all we know is police were asked to escort him off? Is there not much more of a story line? Or an interview from the man himself?
We're in the same boat. It's strange to me that lots of reddit calls for "conspiracy!" from the get go, even though it clearly does violate the subs rules. I know as a mod myself (in a far less popular sub), sometimes you remove the highest upvoted things because they don't fit the sub or go against the rules. So I'm confused a lot by that point being made in how it's a conspiracy.
But, from what I can gather, is that this man was beat up because of United's fuckup of overbooking. United asked people to volunteer, nobody did, so they had a computer "select" who to take off. This man was the 3rd of 4, and didn't go so easily. So they kicked his ass and dragged him off the plane. He somehow got back on, received medical attention on the plane, and the plane went back into the gate to "tidy up".
We're in the same boat as far as I can tell, I have no clue what really happened. But all this "censorship censorship!" hoopla seems somewhat misguided at this point, especially if it was removed for breaking a sub rule.
Evidence that the r/video mods were paid to remove it? These are specific people you are making an accusation against, not some nebulous dark hidden organization.
Funny how the company fucks up, sells more of something than they have available, and the person who walks away in handcuffs with a criminal record is a paying, innocent customer.
If you see the way police treat minorities, the shootings, the treatment of protesters, the double standards, 'affluenza boy' and the the civil asset forfeitures and you STILL don't see that the police are only there to serve the elite, then IDK what will ever wake you up. Maybe you're still above the water level, but that level is rising every day. They are still faking the motions when you make a police report, if you're in a good neighborhood.
They are used to protect the elite, but to say that is their only point is ridiculous. Most police are good guys and want to help, but because of the internet we only hear about the really bad instances and the towns known for police brutality and we assume thats what theyre all like.
If the doctor calls the police and files a report that he was wrongfully (and forcefully) thrown off of the plane, do you think they will do anything?
Most of them are just normal dudes that think just like you do.
And this is the problem. Most PEOPLE are just normal dudes, but for some reason people think that cops are completely infalliable, and that people are all criminals. The police think that all citizens are criminals and the company is in the right.
A company calls the police to have someone thrown off of a plane. Then this happens. Doesn't matter that he paid to be there. Doesn't matter that he was already seated on the plane. They were either overweight or they had a higher paying customer who needed his seat. Either way, he is not the problem. They called the police, they took the airline's side and forcefully ejected him from the plane. Everyone else was visibly upset, yet the police just couldn't see past their preconceived notion that the airline was right and he was wrong. And no one else was willing to stand up for this man because they were afraid of being wrongly singled out and forced off the plane at the hands of a police officer serving their master.
They offered $400 and a hotel stay, when no one volunteered they upped the offer to $800 and a hotel stay. Still no one accepted. A manager boarded the plane and said they would use the computer to pick 4 people at random. This guy was the 3rd chosen, he refused stating he had to see patients at a hospital in the morning.
That at least makes this not so completely wrong. But forcibly removing customers and causing a concussion because you want to throw some staff on the flight at the last minute is indefensible, imo.
Oh I completely agree. They even let him back on the plane after the fact, to me that shows they know they screwed up.
The people they picked are likely due to the fact that their ticket price is the cheapest. Meaning the compensation they are required to compensate for.
If the passenger will arrive between one and two hours later than planned — or between one and four hours for an international flight — the airline must pay the passenger twice the amount of the one-way fare to his destination, up to $675.
If the passenger will be delayed more than two hours — or four hours for international flights — the airline must pay him four times the one-way fare, up to $1,350.
The time to bump someone from a flight is not after they have been seated on the plane, but before they board. Keeping in mind in 2016 United bumped between 40,000 and 63,000 passengers off flights due to overselling. Across all airlines that number is closer to 434,000. These numbers also do not always include volunteers.
United offered $400 to anybody who would take a later flight. Nobody jumped. Then they offered $800. Nobody jumped. Then they announced a computer would randomly select 4 people who would be bumped, no questions. Doctor was chosen. Doctor refused to go. So the airport police came to force him out.
So I completely get why he was indignant about leaving, it's a shitty practice by the airline. I don't entirely have sympathy for him beyond that though since he was clearly out of line enough that they had to get police involved.
It was regularly booked but United wanted to move some employees, so they offered up to $800 for people to give up their seats (4 of them) and nobody volunteered. Then they "randomly" selected people to be removed by "computer" and this guy didn't want to move, called his lawyer regarding his patients in the morning, and then was forcibly removed after refusing.
Why spread bullshit when the truth is so readily available?
Yeah I'd like to know what happened before this. They say they were looking for volunteers, this guy clearly did not volunteer so why remove him with force?
Interesting things to note here is that he was "involuntarily bumped" which usually only occurs before boarding. The Airline might have been out of luck here seeing as the plane was already boarded. He was apparently bumped to make room for United Airlines crew. He got back on to the plane 10 minutes later with a bloody face and apparently said "I need to go home"
I was literally sitting around just looking at reddit all day and this shot up to top and then disappeared in like an hour. As I stared looking for it, things were being taken down in minutes real time.
They wanted 4 volunteers to give up their seats so United could fly employees who I guess were needed elsewhere. Initially they offered $800 per seat but no one spoke up. Then they had the computer pick four people randomly. One couple was chosen and deplaned prior to the video. Then this guy in the video was chosen, refused to go, and was forcibly removed.
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I'd love to know the identity or have a picture so we can see what a disgusting douche that United Airlines employee is that had this man who was already seated removed so that they could travel instead.
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That's pretty sad. There was basically universal support for the passenger and universal animosity for United, so it's not like this caused any controversy with Reddit users that would have led to them reporting the post.
Pretty obvious this is Reddit favoring corporate PR over the benefit of it's users.
It used to be that a group of people would stand up for their neighbors when they saw something wrong happening like this... Our national submissiveness to authority is at an all time high (and climbing).
We're always taught to stand up to injustice, except of course it seems when a police office is involved. Then, we simply sit back and take it. Or in this case, allow one of our fellow citizens to take it. I like to believe I would have said/done something if I had been a fellow passenger on the plane.
You would have sat there and chirped like the rest of them. Anyone could have volunteered to take his place, but nobody did. Not for money, and not to help that doctor's patients. They sat there and chirped.
We're always taught to stand up to injustice, except of course it seems when a police office is involved. Then, we simply sit back and take it.
It's ridiculous that that's literally what they teach kids now. Just submit, and take the cop to court and (hope) that you might win. Cops are given carte blanche powers to do what they want and it's up to us as citizens to just accept it because they're "the good guys"
They're not doing it because the cops are right, they are teaching kids like this because the cops are trigger happy and will kill anything at the drop of a hat.
Did you actually see Hillary's donor list? Both sides represent the Corporatocracy by design and the ideological split is just a facade to ensure the people feel represented, while their future is sold out to Corporations.
You can only vote for representatives of your enslavers, or it's a 'wasted vote'.
Hillary could be backed by put in like trump. It doesn't matyet to what I'm saying in that post. One party is very pro corporation publicly is all said. The other side is just as bought it's just by different corporate places.
67 people voted against the Patriot act. One senator and 66 Representatives. 5 of those representatives would go on to become senators. So apparently they weren't all seen as traitors.
Deadly serious. I hope you don't get facts from any news sources. As this sub will tell you, they are all worng and pushing an agenda.unless it confirms thier bias then the source is ok you know?
Everyone is too busy pulling their out, hoping to record the situation and make a big payday selling it to the today show.
I was waiting for my wife to leave a doctor's appt. at the hospital a few months ago when there was a car crash in the parking lot. I turned to see what happened, and all I saw was a crowd gathering, with phones aplenty pointed at the two cars.
I walked over and simply asked the drivers if they needed medical help. Sure they were both agitated and hard to understand, but luckily only their prides were hurt. Once I made sure they were ok, I excused myself from the situation.
It makes me sad that people are so reluctant to help others today.
They had every right to remove that passenger (being a doctor has no relevance on the matter). Reddit is full of entitled shitkids who think everything is owed to them. Airplanes aren't Government Welfare, they're privately owned businesses and can do what they want with their seats.
They offered more than fair compensation and when there weren't any takers, went to another 'fair' method, randomly removing 4 passengers.
Whether or not they made the mistake of overbooking is irrelevant, it's their airplane and their policy. The doctor should be pissed but walked off once the Air Marshall's got involved. It's pretty simple logic.
But overbooking means that there'll be a couple people waiting to get on that plane... like why are 4 people needed to leave? Does that mean 4 people were standing waiting to get on that flight? Couldn't they have taken the L and gone on the next flight?
Just struggling to understand why it needed to be people already sat?
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Yeah, I guess it was 4 employees that absolutely had to get to their destination to keep working today. They definitely screwed up, not arguing that, but people defending this 'doctor' are just wrong.
It's not "his" seat, they made a trade for that seat in return for money and he signed knowing they had the power to remove him if necessary. That's all part of the "trade". He took it way to far, to the point of being physically removed. Yelling, screaming, and resisting aren't going to change anyone's mind...at that point it was already over, he just should have left.
"Fair compensation" is whatever I decide the seat I've already paid for is worth to me. Too fucking bad that other employees were going to have to work extra hours because the airline didn't do it's job. I'm sick of corporate fine-print bullshit and this is a perfect example of using legalese to tell someone that what they paid for isn't theirs.
whatever I decide the seat I've already paid for is worth to me.
Well, they could have just refunded your money and told you to fuck off. Just because you paid for a flight doesn't mean you own that physical seat and can do whatever you want.
End of the day, if you don't like the corporate fine-print don't use their services.
No they can't actually. There are laws about refunds for overbooked seats number one being that they have to pay out at least 4 times the face value of the ticket and provide lodging if necessary.
Well, they could have just refunded your money and told you to fuck off.
You're really going all out in your defense for United, but this statement makes it clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of flooding this thread with comments defending United, maybe you should've taken the time to educate yourself about passenger rights:
If the airline arranges substitute transportation that is scheduled to arrive at your destination between one and two hours after your original arrival time (between one and four hours on international flights), the airline must pay you an amount equal to 200% of your one-way fare to your final destination that day, with a $675 maximum.
If the substitute transportation is scheduled to get you to your destination more than two hours later (four hours internationally), or if the airline does not make any substitute travel arrangements for you, the compensation doubles (400% of your one-way fare, $1350 maximum)
The only situation in which a passenger isn't entitled to compensation is when they are put on another flight which arrives within 1 hour of the original.
Yes, I just learned that, so there's a law to give additional compensation to passengers. Great!
No my argument, my argument is that the doctor acted poorly. He legally had to give up his seat once he was chosen, go ahead and be pissed but don't say on the plane, screaming like a child to the point you need to be physically removed.
screaming like a child to the point you need to be physically removed.
From the video I've seen, you have that backwards: he doesn't start screaming until after the air marshals start to remove him. Admittedly the screaming seems a bit over the top, but the marshals aren't exactly gentle, as evidenced by the man's busted lip, fucked up glasses, and the passenger who comments "No, this is wrong, oh my god, look at what you did to him"
Of course it's entirely possible that the video is missing some context, and he was also screaming before he was removed. But the fact that the other passengers sounded legitimately distressed and concerned over what happened to the guy makes me think this is not the case.
But if you have a video or any other evidence of this guy acting up before his removal, please post a link.
I was pointing out that you said airlines were not government welfare, when in fact, they get many protections from the government. Like this one:
• Federal preemption. Many passengers don’t realize their basic right to seek redress through state and local courts doesn’t apply against airlines due to federal preemption; only U.S. courts oversee airlines. As the American Bar Association noted: “Practically all state consumer protection statutes and tort claims are rendered useless against air carriers.”
Your "point" is a stupid red herring, because nobody was flying on an entitlement. They entered into a legal contract of carriage with United by paying money for their seat on that particular flight.
Seriously, educate yourself about contract law. Neither party can arbitrarily declare a situation "necessary" that isn't explicitly stipulated (spoiler alert: this wasn't) in the agreement.
Sue them, see if he wins. They have the right to remove any passenger, flights aren't guaranteed.
As a side note, Chicago to Louisville is only a 4.5 hr drive. He could have taken the money, tried to exchange the hotel for a car rental and been on his way (rightly pissed off). Instead, he got fucked up and ended up in the same situation.
There's nothing in your link that remotely applies to this situation. The closest clause in there is Section 25, but even that isn't applicable here.
The flight was not oversold, per the contract:
"Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
Yes there is, when overbooking takes place, they apply rule 25.
All of UA’s flights are subject to overbooking which could result in UA’s inability to provide previously confirmed reserved space for a given flight or for the class of service reserved. In that event, UA’s obligation to the Passenger is governed by Rule 25.
"Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
Your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your reasoning skills. Airline employees seeking to get to other airline facilities are not "passengers holding valid confirmed tickets."
What is wrong with you? Rule 25 is about being oversold, yes, but they also apply Rule 25 when the flight is overbooked as well.
All of UA’s flights are subject to overbooking which could result in UA’s inability to provide previously confirmed reserved space for a given flight or for the class of service reserved. In that event, UA’s obligation to the Passenger is governed by Rule 25.
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It's confirmed the flight was overbooked, which in that case, Rule 25 (oversold) applies.
"Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
What part of passengers holding valid confirmed tickets is confusing your little brain?
"Overbooked" is a legally meaningless term. It isn't defined in the contract of carriage, and appears only once, obliquely referring to Rule 25, which governs "oversold" situations.
Logically, one could infer from context that the former term was used interchangeably with the latter.
"Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
Some company mouthpiece claiming to the media that the flight was oversold does not make it so. Per the contract of carriage, the flight was not oversold, ergo Rule 25 doesn't apply.
100 seats for sale : 100 seats bought. This is not oversold, you're right.
100 seats for sale : 100 seats bought : 4 additional seats booked, hoping not everyone shows up. THIS IS OVERBOOKING.
When overbooked, the oversold Rule 25 applies. I've already linked it from the contract twice now. Please, please grasp this.
All of UA’s flights are subject to overbooking which could result in UA’s inability to provide previously confirmed reserved space for a given flight or for the class of service reserved. In that event, UA’s obligation to the Passenger is governed by Rule 25.
That's cute that you've tried to fabricate your own definition for "overbooking" that conveniently supports your untenable argument. My grade-schooler would be proud of you.
Let me know when you find an actual definition in the contract of carriage, Wrongy McWrongerson.
By the way, do you think I should be able to light up a cigarette on a plane? Because it's being argued in this very thread that if you pay for that seat, it's yours. All the other fine print be damned!
No. Who is to decide what "fair compensation" is? The airline? You? Or the THE PEOPLE GIVING UP THEIR SEAT. Duh. It's the latter--that's capitalism, that's supply and demand.
The airline needed to keep raising the reimbursement price for giving up a seat until people took it. You don't FORCE people off the plane.
But corporations before people, right? Is that how you see the world? If so, this is probably not the best subreddit for you.
It seems fair to me and you're right, that doesn't mean it's fair to someone else. That was my personal opinion on the matter.
If someone else doesn't agree that it's fair, they hold their ground and it goes to the random selection. Life kicks you in the nuts and you leave the plane, that's the contract you got involved with.
But corporations before people, right?
Not saying that at all... they at least made an attempt. It was perfectly in their rights to just refund them their money and kick them off. Instead, they "tried" to make it right buy offering a refund, $800, and a hotel room. Life isn't perfect but I don't want to live in a world where a person gets whatever they want, even when that thing isn't theirs.
By the way, Corporations aren't nameless, faceless, evil monsters... their made up of humans doing work in order to provide for themselves and their families.
I've worked for several huge corporations--four with revenues over $1B, to my count--and my experience is that the top executive leadership has names and faces but are very much evil, greedy, soulless crony capitalists. The people they employ rationalize their mostly meaningless jobs by providing for themselves and their families.
They have a contract. The guy paid his part, now the airline is supposed to fly him to his destination at the agreed upon time. Not to mention how fucking stupid they were to do this. Could have saved a few million by just increasing the price they would pay for someone to stay behind.
They offer a voucher to "buy" back the seat, if no one takes it, tough cookies. I could understand if it were an emergency, but this seems shitty and those fuckers need a good kick in the teeth
Slaves are forced to do things against their will. When you pay money for a service and the fine print that come along with it... you are doing so by your own free will.
You can also drive, really sticking it to the man!!! lol
I agree with your post in general. However, why are publicly funded police removing the customer? Shouldn't United use their own security and be responsible for their actions?
I don't know man, I'm not in the airplane business. Honest question, why do we have Air Marshall's? Are they forced on the Airlines, were they requested, etc? Do we put them on there to combat terror attacks? I really don't know.
I paid for my hamburger, but the cook of mcdonalds is hungry so he can come take my hamburger out of my hand because he is hungry? Fuck that. This man was sitting in his seat ready to go.
When we trade money for services, we often "sign" a contract with additional stipulations that 99 out of 100 times are never exercised. This isn't one of those times, United needed 4 passengers to leave the plane, when no one did, they randomly selected 4. Those 4 got kicked in the nuts by life, I won't argue that, but in the end, they needed to leave the plane (per the contract they signed).
They waited until passengers were seated and then decided they needed four seats for their own employees. If they had just offered more money, or something like an upgrade to first class on another flight, this wouldn't have been an issue. You're either an idiot or the worst shill on this entire website, there's no justifying United's actions or Reddit censorship.
Well seeing as United wasn't abiding by the legal requirement they have to offer four times the value of the ticket why should we be expected to? Also are you just farming downvotes at this point?
There's a difference between voluntary and involuntary. They offered a voluntary amount of $800, involuntary they receive 200% compensation. I'm not farming downvotes, I'm being downvoted by irrational thinking. It's part of the contract one signs to fly on their plane.
Overbooking? These pricks overuse that. Maybe they should stop overbooking flights? This never used to happen, now it's status quo. I was once bumped from a flight as a minor, and scared shitless.
The problem isn't overbooking - they're playing a game of "futures" (the market price for a seat at some point in the future) vs spot market (the price of a seat right here, right now). If they can earn extra income from playing the futures market in their seats, it should help reduce ticket prices and keeps flights full.
The problem is that they're not honoring the spot market. It has to be an auction that continues until they find somebody willing to give up their seat for the spot market price.
What they're doing is absurd. It would be like if the Chicago Futures Exchange decided that the spot market price of pork bellies had increased too much, and they were going to seize a shipment of pork bellies.
I think what happens when these high visibility videos get removed isnt actual shilling (though it may very well be). I work for an internet hosting company in their legal dept. And we get requests for videos etc to be taken down or pictures removed. And honestly, sometimes, the content is legal and perfectly allowed to be there.
What makes us act (sometimes) is the threat of a lawsuit and while we are a bigger company, we dont have the money to defend ourselves everytime we would refuse to take down a video.
So Im willing to bet what happened is this: Video goes up. Airline company sees it and sends take down notice. Reddit says its allowed. Airline company says take it down or we will sue you since we cant ID the user as you are allowing the content. Reddit says "I dont have enough money to fight this long term and win, and all for what? So one user can keep a video up that can be found anywhere right now? We'll just take it down".
Not necessarily. I mod /r/unitedairlines. Im not removing this because this shit is important and people who remove this are corporate shills. You posted this when there was already 2 posts of the same event, each with substantial amount of comments. I removed yours because it's the same event and didn't have any discussion going on. There were a bunch of posts from different sources covering the same event.
But otherwise, yes, i will not be censoring anything over at /r/unitedairlines other than deleting reposts.
So it's not possible that the bloody video depicting assault and violence and which did not adequately protect the identify of the individuals involved violated the rules of various subs to which the video was posted?
Reddit is owned by Conde Nast. There's nothing more you need to know. No conspiracy. No shills. No mystery here. We might as well be upset about the cover of Architectural Digest.
They were willing to shell out $3200. For that money you could put four United employees in a limo, drive them the four or five hours to Louisville, and avoid abusing a random passenger who will hopefully lawyer the fuck up and take much more than $800 home.
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/r/videos claimed if violate rule 4 which bans videos of police brutality. 1. That's a stupid rule and 2. Police brutality wasn't even the major focus of the video. My god Reddit is becoming such a shitty website, and the worst part is they have the gall to lie to us like that.
It's on the top of r/news at the moment and has been for awhile. It's been out for over 15 hours on social media so there's no chance for a cover up. Settle down
The real reason it was removed was because it was posted in r/videos. They have a policy where you can't post police brutality videos. The mods of r/videos removed it, not Reddit.
I agree that's a stupid reason but that's what happened. See the new post for this video on r/news if you want proof
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n/a Ihavegoodworkethic 2017-04-10
Just further proof Reddit is controlled by it's advertisers. That heartbreaking video was the top of the front page and gave United Airlines a bad name. They needed it gone.
n/a honestlyimeanreally 2017-04-10
And nobody has a mirror readily available?
Where's the internet I know and love!?
n/a Badladin 2017-04-10
https://twitter.com/Tyler_Bridges/status/851214160042106880
n/a frothface 2017-04-10
Servers were all fucked up on friday. Right now it's "redditor restores photo, everyone gets gold". I have no proof, but that screams "shit is falling apart because we have all this content to store, but no one uses the site BC spez so let's make buying gold the cool thing to to do".
n/a hamgina 2017-04-10
This happened to me when my airline video went viral and to #1 on the front page. American Airlines flight attendants were caught mistreating a passenger who did nothing wrong.
Made it to #1 here then Reddit nuked it citing, of all things, YouTube copyright! For MY video! Ha ha.
Yeah Reddit has been compromised for some time now...
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-04-10
Remember this is what killed Digg. They started letting sponsored content hit the front page over normal submissions by users.
n/a Shdwdrgn 2017-04-10
I just love the knee-jerk reaction of calling 'conspiracy' every time someone's front page doesn't look the way they think it should. Just because you can't see it on your front page any longer doesn't mean reddit censored the article. My front page has two articles linking to the video, two more articles with separate discussions about overbooking, plus this post... and all of those articles are hours older than your post. If there was such a conspiracy to remove the discussion about the airline, don't you think ALL of the articles would have been squashed?
n/a glitter_vomit 2017-04-10
Yeah I'm confused, I'm still seeing a few posts about it...
n/a thisiserioislyfucked 2017-04-10
Paid mods and shill accounts run this site now
n/a snowmandan 2017-04-10
They have for longer than we know, I think
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-04-10
Never forget Sears.
http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Fuck_Sears
n/a pissedcunt 2017-04-10
that applies to r/conspiracy as well.
after the initial outcry that they were censoring posts, the creator of r/videos made r/PoliticalVideo. r/videos used to link to r/politicalvideo, but not anymore.
r/videos was bought off a long time ago.
n/a PM_ME_HOW_BOUT_DAT 2017-04-10
You guys are so paranoid! The video clearly violated Rule #4: No Videos of United Security Brutality or Harassment.
/s
n/a jaimeyeah 2017-04-10
Remove /s, you become an echo chamber of confusion.
n/a Im_Tiny_Rick 2017-04-10
I'm already confused. Videos had a rule before this video was posted, and they removed it because it breaks the rule.
Where am I going wrong here?
n/a jaimeyeah 2017-04-10
Yeah same, but something about rules and free speech in general gets a few people angry then all of a sudden all of reddit is up in arms about their rights.
So I'm not objectifying an opinion, just soaking in and analyzing what's happening today, and this video from United Airlines is pretty interesting.
Don't all we know is police were asked to escort him off? Is there not much more of a story line? Or an interview from the man himself?
n/a Im_Tiny_Rick 2017-04-10
We're in the same boat. It's strange to me that lots of reddit calls for "conspiracy!" from the get go, even though it clearly does violate the subs rules. I know as a mod myself (in a far less popular sub), sometimes you remove the highest upvoted things because they don't fit the sub or go against the rules. So I'm confused a lot by that point being made in how it's a conspiracy.
But, from what I can gather, is that this man was beat up because of United's fuckup of overbooking. United asked people to volunteer, nobody did, so they had a computer "select" who to take off. This man was the 3rd of 4, and didn't go so easily. So they kicked his ass and dragged him off the plane. He somehow got back on, received medical attention on the plane, and the plane went back into the gate to "tidy up".
We're in the same boat as far as I can tell, I have no clue what really happened. But all this "censorship censorship!" hoopla seems somewhat misguided at this point, especially if it was removed for breaking a sub rule.
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-04-10
Remember this is what killed Digg. They started letting sponsored content hit the front page over normal submissions by users.
n/a GisterMizard 2017-04-10
Evidence that the r/video mods were paid to remove it? These are specific people you are making an accusation against, not some nebulous dark hidden organization.
n/a Chabal10 2017-04-10
I didn't see the video but didn't they give a good reason as to why they removed it? I'm not denying that there could be some legit fuckery going on.
n/a JustChrisMC 2017-04-10
Also cuckservatives
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-04-10
And I'm proud to be an American...
n/a kixxaxxas 2017-04-10
Thank you so much. This is bullshit.
n/a vicefox 2017-04-10
Why the hell would United do that? You're supposed to offer a customer money when you fuck up.
n/a YoureAllRobots 2017-04-10
In capitalist America, you don't own company, company owns you! Expect more of this behavior as time rolls on, if this is new to you.
n/a mystrybbyln 2017-04-10
http://yourstrawman.com/
n/a frothface 2017-04-10
Funny how the company fucks up, sells more of something than they have available, and the person who walks away in handcuffs with a criminal record is a paying, innocent customer.
If you see the way police treat minorities, the shootings, the treatment of protesters, the double standards, 'affluenza boy' and the the civil asset forfeitures and you STILL don't see that the police are only there to serve the elite, then IDK what will ever wake you up. Maybe you're still above the water level, but that level is rising every day. They are still faking the motions when you make a police report, if you're in a good neighborhood.
n/a canadiancarcass 2017-04-10
They are used to protect the elite, but to say that is their only point is ridiculous. Most police are good guys and want to help, but because of the internet we only hear about the really bad instances and the towns known for police brutality and we assume thats what theyre all like.
n/a frothface 2017-04-10
If the doctor calls the police and files a report that he was wrongfully (and forcefully) thrown off of the plane, do you think they will do anything?
And this is the problem. Most PEOPLE are just normal dudes, but for some reason people think that cops are completely infalliable, and that people are all criminals. The police think that all citizens are criminals and the company is in the right.
A company calls the police to have someone thrown off of a plane. Then this happens. Doesn't matter that he paid to be there. Doesn't matter that he was already seated on the plane. They were either overweight or they had a higher paying customer who needed his seat. Either way, he is not the problem. They called the police, they took the airline's side and forcefully ejected him from the plane. Everyone else was visibly upset, yet the police just couldn't see past their preconceived notion that the airline was right and he was wrong. And no one else was willing to stand up for this man because they were afraid of being wrongly singled out and forced off the plane at the hands of a police officer serving their master.
n/a sock_lover 2017-04-10
Corporations are people my friend, they have all the rights and power, Americans are simply pawns on their chess board.
n/a CrazedHyperion 2017-04-10
At least pawns are still something. We are lower than amoeba.
n/a thetruthful 2017-04-10
By doing this they were simply deferring payment of a much larger sum. They also brought his lawyer in for a cut.
n/a caitto 2017-04-10
They offered $400 and a hotel stay, when no one volunteered they upped the offer to $800 and a hotel stay. Still no one accepted. A manager boarded the plane and said they would use the computer to pick 4 people at random. This guy was the 3rd chosen, he refused stating he had to see patients at a hospital in the morning.
n/a vicefox 2017-04-10
That at least makes this not so completely wrong. But forcibly removing customers and causing a concussion because you want to throw some staff on the flight at the last minute is indefensible, imo.
n/a caitto 2017-04-10
Oh I completely agree. They even let him back on the plane after the fact, to me that shows they know they screwed up.
The people they picked are likely due to the fact that their ticket price is the cheapest. Meaning the compensation they are required to compensate for.
If the passenger will arrive between one and two hours later than planned — or between one and four hours for an international flight — the airline must pay the passenger twice the amount of the one-way fare to his destination, up to $675.
If the passenger will be delayed more than two hours — or four hours for international flights — the airline must pay him four times the one-way fare, up to $1,350.
The time to bump someone from a flight is not after they have been seated on the plane, but before they board. Keeping in mind in 2016 United bumped between 40,000 and 63,000 passengers off flights due to overselling. Across all airlines that number is closer to 434,000. These numbers also do not always include volunteers.
As a reference where I got this information on bumped flights see the link below. http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article/20170410/AP/304109926
n/a Smoke-n-Mirrors- 2017-04-10
I would like to see what happened before. These are always out of context clips.
n/a jubale 2017-04-10
United offered $400 to anybody who would take a later flight. Nobody jumped. Then they offered $800. Nobody jumped. Then they announced a computer would randomly select 4 people who would be bumped, no questions. Doctor was chosen. Doctor refused to go. So the airport police came to force him out.
n/a canikony 2017-04-10
Question is, do they still offer the $800 to those 4 people?
Also... in cases like this, shouldn't it just be first come first serve?
n/a EnragedPirate 2017-04-10
So I completely get why he was indignant about leaving, it's a shitty practice by the airline. I don't entirely have sympathy for him beyond that though since he was clearly out of line enough that they had to get police involved.
n/a jsprogrammer 2017-04-10
Why did United let people on the plane if they were going to kick 4 of them off?
It makes no sense.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-04-10
cartel economies lack competition, which enables poor management to flourish.
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-10
Can't believe $800 is the cap, they just committed corporate suicide
n/a freeticket 2017-04-10
He should have offered them a Pepsi
n/a SalsaShark9 2017-04-10
... All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi. And she wouldn't give it to me. Just a Pepsi!
n/a Fredo_Baggins 2017-04-10
Cyress Hill - How I Could Just Kill A Man
n/a SalsaShark9 2017-04-10
Here's something you can't understand...
That's right, I'm turning into the guy who quotes shit instead of offering actual conversation. Knibb high football rules!
n/a freeticket 2017-04-10
I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul
n/a SalsaShark9 2017-04-10
Meant to answer your reference earlier, but... I was chasing invisible penguins. I'm one of the good guys, penguin, don't run....
n/a freeticket 2017-04-10
Talkie talkie talkie, no more talkie
n/a SalsaShark9 2017-04-10
So sorry to interrupt!! Heh heh.
n/a Fredo_Baggins 2017-04-10
Occasional non-sequitor quotes are welcome. :)
n/a SalsaShark9 2017-04-10
Well, a flute without holes is not a flute, and a donut without a hole is a danish.
n/a wipeout4wh 2017-04-10
You're just giving them more publicity by perpetuating the meme.
n/a TeslasMuse 2017-04-10
Now is probably a good time to remind everyone that United only exists because of a giant taxpayer bailout
n/a mastigia 2017-04-10
What was the context of this video? My app just restarted for no reason, never seen that before.
n/a VirginiaPlain1 2017-04-10
A passenger was removed from an overbooked flight by police. Just because it was overbooked.
n/a Plumbus_amongus 2017-04-10
No, it wasn't "just overbooked"
It was regularly booked but United wanted to move some employees, so they offered up to $800 for people to give up their seats (4 of them) and nobody volunteered. Then they "randomly" selected people to be removed by "computer" and this guy didn't want to move, called his lawyer regarding his patients in the morning, and then was forcibly removed after refusing.
Why spread bullshit when the truth is so readily available?
n/a andywarhaul 2017-04-10
Yeah I'd like to know what happened before this. They say they were looking for volunteers, this guy clearly did not volunteer so why remove him with force?
Interesting things to note here is that he was "involuntarily bumped" which usually only occurs before boarding. The Airline might have been out of luck here seeing as the plane was already boarded. He was apparently bumped to make room for United Airlines crew. He got back on to the plane 10 minutes later with a bloody face and apparently said "I need to go home"
n/a natureboyblue 2017-04-10
lawyer-up! $$$$$$$
n/a mastigia 2017-04-10
Whoa, there is a story here even if not exactly the one we expect.
n/a 831pm 2017-04-10
I was literally sitting around just looking at reddit all day and this shot up to top and then disappeared in like an hour. As I stared looking for it, things were being taken down in minutes real time.
n/a -dont-panic 2017-04-10
They wanted 4 volunteers to give up their seats so United could fly employees who I guess were needed elsewhere. Initially they offered $800 per seat but no one spoke up. Then they had the computer pick four people randomly. One couple was chosen and deplaned prior to the video. Then this guy in the video was chosen, refused to go, and was forcibly removed.
n/a sock_lover 2017-04-10
Wow wtf. Really goes to show how Americans have no rights at all in reality, and corporations control the police and the state.
n/a justinsayin 2017-04-10
VERY forcibly.
And the guy was a doctor who needed to see patients within hours after the flight.
n/a hmlz 2017-04-10
wiped just as east coast wakes up.
n/a WannaFuckTigger 2017-04-10
http://imgur.com/a/An33b
n/a TheMadQuixotician 2017-04-10
Post the archive!
n/a 911bodysnatchers322 2017-04-10
No worries, it was found and mirrored all over the internet and put on darkweb and mirrored on freenet so it will never be lost again
https://www.reddit.com/r/TruthLeaks/comments/64jnc2/reddit_doesnt_want_you_to_see_these_videos_thats/
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n/a natureboyblue 2017-04-10
well done! was hoping someone would save the day.
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n/a wipeout4wh 2017-04-10
Putting [not clickbait] in the title doesn't make it stop being clickbait.
n/a no1113 2017-04-10
Oh snap. TIL /r/TruthLeaks. Subscribed. Good looking, 911.
n/a Birdinhandandbush 2017-04-10
If you've bought a ticket and you're on the plane, what makes someone back in the terminal more important than you? This is just crazy.
n/a Swazimoto 2017-04-10
It was a united employee too
n/a PattyHeist 2017-04-10
I'd love to know the identity or have a picture so we can see what a disgusting douche that United Airlines employee is that had this man who was already seated removed so that they could travel instead.
n/a dayundalion 2017-04-10
If their ticket was more expensive (ie, they fly higher class than you). Not saying I agree with it though.
n/a nogoodusernamesugh 2017-04-10
The "re-accommodation" was for four united employees who reportedly needed to be at the destination airport to serve on a later flight.
n/a hmlz 2017-04-10
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/64hloa/doctor_violently_dragged_from_overbooked_united
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n/a hmlz 2017-04-10
no
n/a wipeout4wh 2017-04-10
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n/a Red5point1 2017-04-10
I still se the post https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/64hloa/doctor_violently_dragged_from_overbooked_united/
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n/a thegtabmx 2017-04-10
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
n/a EverydayGaming 2017-04-10
That's pretty sad. There was basically universal support for the passenger and universal animosity for United, so it's not like this caused any controversy with Reddit users that would have led to them reporting the post.
Pretty obvious this is Reddit favoring corporate PR over the benefit of it's users.
n/a newmetaplank 2017-04-10
No it broke the rules of the sub it was posted on.
n/a Jackson_Cook 2017-04-10
The rule where we cant post any detrimental material pertaining to advertisers?
/s
n/a newmetaplank 2017-04-10
No the one against police brutality.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-04-10
It used to be that a group of people would stand up for their neighbors when they saw something wrong happening like this... Our national submissiveness to authority is at an all time high (and climbing).
n/a EverydayGaming 2017-04-10
We're always taught to stand up to injustice, except of course it seems when a police office is involved. Then, we simply sit back and take it. Or in this case, allow one of our fellow citizens to take it. I like to believe I would have said/done something if I had been a fellow passenger on the plane.
n/a Plumbus_amongus 2017-04-10
You would have sat there and chirped like the rest of them. Anyone could have volunteered to take his place, but nobody did. Not for money, and not to help that doctor's patients. They sat there and chirped.
That's all you need to know about humanity.
n/a FuckWork79587 2017-04-10
It's ridiculous that that's literally what they teach kids now. Just submit, and take the cop to court and (hope) that you might win. Cops are given carte blanche powers to do what they want and it's up to us as citizens to just accept it because they're "the good guys"
n/a CrazedHyperion 2017-04-10
They're not doing it because the cops are right, they are teaching kids like this because the cops are trigger happy and will kill anything at the drop of a hat.
n/a FuckWork79587 2017-04-10
Yep, and it's always up to the citizen to not get killed, instead of the cop to not kill.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
Thank the rebuplicucks for giving our country away to corporations and giving them all the power.
n/a y90210 2017-04-10
You are delusional if you think the left isn't in the corporations pockets.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
I'm aware both parties are. But one party really champions thier cause for our corporate overlords.
n/a IntellisaurDinoAlien 2017-04-10
Did you actually see Hillary's donor list? Both sides represent the Corporatocracy by design and the ideological split is just a facade to ensure the people feel represented, while their future is sold out to Corporations.
You can only vote for representatives of your enslavers, or it's a 'wasted vote'.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
Hillary could be backed by put in like trump. It doesn't matyet to what I'm saying in that post. One party is very pro corporation publicly is all said. The other side is just as bought it's just by different corporate places.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-04-10
the erosion of civil liberties in the US has been a bipartisan effort. both sides support the NDAA and Patriot act. educate yourself.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
You realize no one could vote against the patriot act right. At the time you would be seen as treasonous, that's a joe argument.
n/a HillaryIsGod 2017-04-10
67 people voted against the Patriot act. One senator and 66 Representatives. 5 of those representatives would go on to become senators. So apparently they weren't all seen as traitors.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
Hmm my understanding was everyone was pro for it being passed. I'm obviously misinformed.
Thanks for the correction.
n/a passenger_pidgin 2017-04-10
It has been renewed three times since its original legislation. hopefully, you are not being serious.
n/a lol-community 2017-04-10
Deadly serious. I hope you don't get facts from any news sources. As this sub will tell you, they are all worng and pushing an agenda.unless it confirms thier bias then the source is ok you know?
n/a grayarea2_7 2017-04-10
Wasn't it Podesta's emails that said something about working to make an unaware and compliant base?
n/a deadmethods 2017-04-10
Not saying we aren't submissive as a culture but in the video, people are defending the man and condemning the policemens actions
n/a anagrama 2017-04-10
Everyone is too busy pulling their out, hoping to record the situation and make a big payday selling it to the today show.
I was waiting for my wife to leave a doctor's appt. at the hospital a few months ago when there was a car crash in the parking lot. I turned to see what happened, and all I saw was a crowd gathering, with phones aplenty pointed at the two cars.
I walked over and simply asked the drivers if they needed medical help. Sure they were both agitated and hard to understand, but luckily only their prides were hurt. Once I made sure they were ok, I excused myself from the situation.
It makes me sad that people are so reluctant to help others today.
n/a IBMacking 2017-04-10
https://gofundme.com/united-against-united
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
They had every right to remove that passenger (being a doctor has no relevance on the matter). Reddit is full of entitled shitkids who think everything is owed to them. Airplanes aren't Government Welfare, they're privately owned businesses and can do what they want with their seats.
They offered more than fair compensation and when there weren't any takers, went to another 'fair' method, randomly removing 4 passengers.
Whether or not they made the mistake of overbooking is irrelevant, it's their airplane and their policy. The doctor should be pissed but walked off once the Air Marshall's got involved. It's pretty simple logic.
n/a callux 2017-04-10
But overbooking means that there'll be a couple people waiting to get on that plane... like why are 4 people needed to leave? Does that mean 4 people were standing waiting to get on that flight? Couldn't they have taken the L and gone on the next flight?
Just struggling to understand why it needed to be people already sat?
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n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Yeah, I guess it was 4 employees that absolutely had to get to their destination to keep working today. They definitely screwed up, not arguing that, but people defending this 'doctor' are just wrong.
It's not "his" seat, they made a trade for that seat in return for money and he signed knowing they had the power to remove him if necessary. That's all part of the "trade". He took it way to far, to the point of being physically removed. Yelling, screaming, and resisting aren't going to change anyone's mind...at that point it was already over, he just should have left.
n/a Dhaerrow 2017-04-10
"Fair compensation" is whatever I decide the seat I've already paid for is worth to me. Too fucking bad that other employees were going to have to work extra hours because the airline didn't do it's job. I'm sick of corporate fine-print bullshit and this is a perfect example of using legalese to tell someone that what they paid for isn't theirs.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Well, they could have just refunded your money and told you to fuck off. Just because you paid for a flight doesn't mean you own that physical seat and can do whatever you want.
End of the day, if you don't like the corporate fine-print don't use their services.
n/a pr0n2 2017-04-10
No they can't actually. There are laws about refunds for overbooked seats number one being that they have to pay out at least 4 times the face value of the ticket and provide lodging if necessary.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
There ya go, it's about the people!
n/a Polycystic 2017-04-10
You're really going all out in your defense for United, but this statement makes it clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of flooding this thread with comments defending United, maybe you should've taken the time to educate yourself about passenger rights:
The only situation in which a passenger isn't entitled to compensation is when they are put on another flight which arrives within 1 hour of the original.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Yes, I just learned that, so there's a law to give additional compensation to passengers. Great!
No my argument, my argument is that the doctor acted poorly. He legally had to give up his seat once he was chosen, go ahead and be pissed but don't say on the plane, screaming like a child to the point you need to be physically removed.
n/a Polycystic 2017-04-10
From the video I've seen, you have that backwards: he doesn't start screaming until after the air marshals start to remove him. Admittedly the screaming seems a bit over the top, but the marshals aren't exactly gentle, as evidenced by the man's busted lip, fucked up glasses, and the passenger who comments "No, this is wrong, oh my god, look at what you did to him"
Of course it's entirely possible that the video is missing some context, and he was also screaming before he was removed. But the fact that the other passengers sounded legitimately distressed and concerned over what happened to the guy makes me think this is not the case.
But if you have a video or any other evidence of this guy acting up before his removal, please post a link.
n/a accountingisboring 2017-04-10
They receive a large amount of taxpayer dollars
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Not the point, that doesn't mean they owe you a flight. Let's not get derailed here.
n/a accountingisboring 2017-04-10
I was pointing out that you said airlines were not government welfare, when in fact, they get many protections from the government. Like this one:
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Sure, you made a point but it had nothing to do with my analogy.
Government welfare is an entitlement program, Airlines aren't entitlement programs where they owe you a flight. We good?
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Your "point" is a stupid red herring, because nobody was flying on an entitlement. They entered into a legal contract of carriage with United by paying money for their seat on that particular flight.
We good now?
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
And in that contract United has the legal right to remove you if necessary. When the doctor was randomly chosen, he should have left the plane.
Following now?
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Their desire to move employees around because of their own personnel fuck-ups does not constitute "necessity" under said contract.
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
In their eyes it was. If it's illegal to remove someone, in the fashion they did, sue them.
Quick tip: It was perfectly legal.
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Seriously, educate yourself about contract law. Neither party can arbitrarily declare a situation "necessary" that isn't explicitly stipulated (spoiler alert: this wasn't) in the agreement.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Sue them, see if he wins. They have the right to remove any passenger, flights aren't guaranteed.
As a side note, Chicago to Louisville is only a 4.5 hr drive. He could have taken the money, tried to exchange the hotel for a car rental and been on his way (rightly pissed off). Instead, he got fucked up and ended up in the same situation.
So tired of entitled shits.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
I promise you, lots more people are even more tired of ignorant asshats like you with uninformed opinions.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
So I'm the asshat because a company legally exercised their contractual agreement.
K.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Cite the clause in the contract, or wear the uninformed asshat label proudly.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
I already have... you can either be removed voluntarily or involuntarily.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
The "necessity" is determined by the party in "need" which is the Airline. This is elementary level understanding.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
There's nothing in your link that remotely applies to this situation. The closest clause in there is Section 25, but even that isn't applicable here.
The flight was not oversold, per the contract: "Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
This is elementary-level understanding.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Yes there is, when overbooking takes place, they apply rule 25.
Aren't you tired of losing yet? (you're not)
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Once more, for the peanut gallery: THE FLIGHT WAS NOT OVERSOLD.
Re-read the meaning of that term in the contract.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
No, it was overbooked, and when overbooked, they apply rule 25.
oversold =/= overbooked.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your reasoning skills. Airline employees seeking to get to other airline facilities are not "passengers holding valid confirmed tickets."
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
What is wrong with you? Rule 25 is about being oversold, yes, but they also apply Rule 25 when the flight is overbooked as well.
READ
It's confirmed the flight was overbooked, which in that case, Rule 25 (oversold) applies.
STOP LOSING
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
"Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there are available seats."
What part of passengers holding valid confirmed tickets is confusing your little brain?
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Ok, even after that last reply you still can't grasp the difference between overbooked and oversold?
I'm done with you, have a good day.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
"Overbooked" is a legally meaningless term. It isn't defined in the contract of carriage, and appears only once, obliquely referring to Rule 25, which governs "oversold" situations.
Logically, one could infer from context that the former term was used interchangeably with the latter.
In either case, you're still wrong.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Quote from United
It was overbooked. Period. End of story. When overbooked, they apply Rule 25 (which I quoted as well)
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Some company mouthpiece claiming to the media that the flight was oversold does not make it so. Per the contract of carriage, the flight was not oversold, ergo Rule 25 doesn't apply.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Dude, what are you doing?
Last time I'm going to help you.
100 seats for sale : 100 seats bought. This is not oversold, you're right.
100 seats for sale : 100 seats bought : 4 additional seats booked, hoping not everyone shows up. THIS IS OVERBOOKING.
When overbooked, the oversold Rule 25 applies. I've already linked it from the contract twice now. Please, please grasp this.
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
That's cute that you've tried to fabricate your own definition for "overbooking" that conveniently supports your untenable argument. My grade-schooler would be proud of you.
Let me know when you find an actual definition in the contract of carriage, Wrongy McWrongerson.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
By the way, do you think I should be able to light up a cigarette on a plane? Because it's being argued in this very thread that if you pay for that seat, it's yours. All the other fine print be damned!
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Not interested in your strawmen. Take that shit to /r/fallacies where it belongs.
n/a arsene14 2017-04-10
Thank you. Literally nobody is saying that people are entitled to air travel.
n/a IanPhlegming 2017-04-10
No. Who is to decide what "fair compensation" is? The airline? You? Or the THE PEOPLE GIVING UP THEIR SEAT. Duh. It's the latter--that's capitalism, that's supply and demand.
The airline needed to keep raising the reimbursement price for giving up a seat until people took it. You don't FORCE people off the plane.
But corporations before people, right? Is that how you see the world? If so, this is probably not the best subreddit for you.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
It seems fair to me and you're right, that doesn't mean it's fair to someone else. That was my personal opinion on the matter.
If someone else doesn't agree that it's fair, they hold their ground and it goes to the random selection. Life kicks you in the nuts and you leave the plane, that's the contract you got involved with.
Not saying that at all... they at least made an attempt. It was perfectly in their rights to just refund them their money and kick them off. Instead, they "tried" to make it right buy offering a refund, $800, and a hotel room. Life isn't perfect but I don't want to live in a world where a person gets whatever they want, even when that thing isn't theirs.
By the way, Corporations aren't nameless, faceless, evil monsters... their made up of humans doing work in order to provide for themselves and their families.
n/a IanPhlegming 2017-04-10
I've worked for several huge corporations--four with revenues over $1B, to my count--and my experience is that the top executive leadership has names and faces but are very much evil, greedy, soulless crony capitalists. The people they employ rationalize their mostly meaningless jobs by providing for themselves and their families.
n/a Homonoetic 2017-04-10
Fuck, I was kinda with you throughout this thread. Like 'this nerds just playing devils advocate, may even have a good point' then that last line.
Bahahahaha.
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
They have a contract. The guy paid his part, now the airline is supposed to fly him to his destination at the agreed upon time. Not to mention how fucking stupid they were to do this. Could have saved a few million by just increasing the price they would pay for someone to stay behind.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
It's not a 1 for 1 trade, the airline has other stipulations... why are you not getting this.
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
They offer a voucher to "buy" back the seat, if no one takes it, tough cookies. I could understand if it were an emergency, but this seems shitty and those fuckers need a good kick in the teeth
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Rule 25 of the contract you sign to fly.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
This man wasnt denied bording, he was already in his seat.
n/a Hamwinkies 2017-04-10
wtf is this United corporate comment
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
No, it's just reality.
n/a arsene14 2017-04-10
A bootlicking slave reality.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Slaves are forced to do things against their will. When you pay money for a service and the fine print that come along with it... you are doing so by your own free will.
You can also drive, really sticking it to the man!!! lol
n/a arkansah 2017-04-10
I agree with your post in general. However, why are publicly funded police removing the customer? Shouldn't United use their own security and be responsible for their actions?
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
I don't know man, I'm not in the airplane business. Honest question, why do we have Air Marshall's? Are they forced on the Airlines, were they requested, etc? Do we put them on there to combat terror attacks? I really don't know.
n/a arkansah 2017-04-10
Pretty sure they became standard after 9/11.
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
I paid for my hamburger, but the cook of mcdonalds is hungry so he can come take my hamburger out of my hand because he is hungry? Fuck that. This man was sitting in his seat ready to go.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
When we trade money for services, we often "sign" a contract with additional stipulations that 99 out of 100 times are never exercised. This isn't one of those times, United needed 4 passengers to leave the plane, when no one did, they randomly selected 4. Those 4 got kicked in the nuts by life, I won't argue that, but in the end, they needed to leave the plane (per the contract they signed).
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
Does the fine print say " if we fuck up and need to send employees somewhere, we can take your seat by force?"
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Pretty much. Rule 25 of the contract.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
n/a NoMomItsDubstep 2017-04-10
They waited until passengers were seated and then decided they needed four seats for their own employees. If they had just offered more money, or something like an upgrade to first class on another flight, this wouldn't have been an issue. You're either an idiot or the worst shill on this entire website, there's no justifying United's actions or Reddit censorship.
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
Why do you think that you don't have to abide by the contracts you sign?
n/a NoMomItsDubstep 2017-04-10
Well seeing as United wasn't abiding by the legal requirement they have to offer four times the value of the ticket why should we be expected to? Also are you just farming downvotes at this point?
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
There's a difference between voluntary and involuntary. They offered a voluntary amount of $800, involuntary they receive 200% compensation. I'm not farming downvotes, I'm being downvoted by irrational thinking. It's part of the contract one signs to fly on their plane.
Rule 25
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
n/a dankmernes 2017-04-10
that same rule stipulates that all that applies pre-boarding
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
n/a Reck_yo 2017-04-10
pre-boarding and boarding. Yes.
n/a dankmernes 2017-04-10
he looked pretty boarded
maybe he works out
n/a 1eyedwill 2017-04-10
This is what the post linked to:
https://twitter.com/Tyler_Bridges/status/851214160042106880
n/a OFFICIAL_CNN_REDDIT 2017-04-10
The only logical conclusion is the doctor was a Trump supporter.
n/a DHThrowawayy 2017-04-10
That's not rele-
looks at username
carry on, CNN.
n/a Lovehat 2017-04-10
United can suck my dick. 20ish flights with them, 20ish flights were either delayed or cancelled.
n/a basketodeplorables 2017-04-10
Overbooking? These pricks overuse that. Maybe they should stop overbooking flights? This never used to happen, now it's status quo. I was once bumped from a flight as a minor, and scared shitless.
n/a exoriare 2017-04-10
The problem isn't overbooking - they're playing a game of "futures" (the market price for a seat at some point in the future) vs spot market (the price of a seat right here, right now). If they can earn extra income from playing the futures market in their seats, it should help reduce ticket prices and keeps flights full.
The problem is that they're not honoring the spot market. It has to be an auction that continues until they find somebody willing to give up their seat for the spot market price.
What they're doing is absurd. It would be like if the Chicago Futures Exchange decided that the spot market price of pork bellies had increased too much, and they were going to seize a shipment of pork bellies.
It's theft.
n/a basketodeplorables 2017-04-10
They've gotten away with this crap for far too long.
n/a King0fThoseWhoKnow 2017-04-10
Land of freedom
n/a zordi 2017-04-10
this "Reddit" censorship is getting increasingly uncomfortable for me. So much controlled narrative.
n/a Nixplosion 2017-04-10
If I can play devils advocate for a second ...
I think what happens when these high visibility videos get removed isnt actual shilling (though it may very well be). I work for an internet hosting company in their legal dept. And we get requests for videos etc to be taken down or pictures removed. And honestly, sometimes, the content is legal and perfectly allowed to be there.
What makes us act (sometimes) is the threat of a lawsuit and while we are a bigger company, we dont have the money to defend ourselves everytime we would refuse to take down a video.
So Im willing to bet what happened is this: Video goes up. Airline company sees it and sends take down notice. Reddit says its allowed. Airline company says take it down or we will sue you since we cant ID the user as you are allowing the content. Reddit says "I dont have enough money to fight this long term and win, and all for what? So one user can keep a video up that can be found anywhere right now? We'll just take it down".
n/a 9inety9ine 2017-04-10
Reddit doesn't host the videos.
n/a Nixplosion 2017-04-10
Oh I see. They could still send a request to all site with links to the video to remove it too.
n/a Watchforbananas 2017-04-10
It's even easier, videos has rules, and #4 says
No idea why the rule was defined, but lawsuits are probably a good guess.
n/a SJW_Queefs_Stink 2017-04-10
Business 101. Since the customer already has his ass firmly planted in the seat, bump the passenger that does not.
n/a satisfyinghump 2017-04-10
Want to feel good? Check out the United airlines subreddit ;) there are too many posts of this incident for the mods to censor.
n/a Player72 2017-04-10
Not necessarily. I mod /r/unitedairlines. Im not removing this because this shit is important and people who remove this are corporate shills. You posted this when there was already 2 posts of the same event, each with substantial amount of comments. I removed yours because it's the same event and didn't have any discussion going on. There were a bunch of posts from different sources covering the same event.
But otherwise, yes, i will not be censoring anything over at /r/unitedairlines other than deleting reposts.
n/a catsandnarwahls 2017-04-10
So why dont we just all post it on every sub that it should be seen on?
n/a CrazedHyperion 2017-04-10
I saw it, a bunch of barbarians, I'll never fly United ever again, I swear.
n/a Freqwaves 2017-04-10
Here's the story from CNBC
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/video-surfaces-of-man-being-dragged-from-overbooked-united-flight.html
n/a LammergeierAteMyBone 2017-04-10
So it's not possible that the bloody video depicting assault and violence and which did not adequately protect the identify of the individuals involved violated the rules of various subs to which the video was posted?
n/a skyderper12 2017-04-10
Personal info is not allowed in most subreddits, you don't need to censor the face
n/a Throwaway021614 2017-04-10
Reddit doesn't like Asians.
n/a frothface 2017-04-10
Somebody linked it over on /r/unitedAirlines. Would be fun to consistently upvote and keep it on the front page permanently.
n/a sarcasticide 2017-04-10
It's showing #2 spot right now on my page
n/a matahoula 2017-04-10
It was on CBS This Morning. Not exactly something they are getting to hide
n/a HouseBoltonForLife 2017-04-10
Because they don't want to miss out on that United Airlines advertising $$$s.
n/a brasslizzard 2017-04-10
Reddit is owned by Conde Nast. There's nothing more you need to know. No conspiracy. No shills. No mystery here. We might as well be upset about the cover of Architectural Digest.
n/a mre5765 2017-04-10
Looks like a regional jet.
If the plane was overbooked he wouldn't have been boarded.
Instead what happened was the plane was overloaded.
I guess the pilot should have let the plane takeoff and crash.
n/a relevant__comment 2017-04-10
One would think that, of all people, Reddit admins and mods, would be well versed and familiar with the concept of "Streisand Effect".
n/a 4ivE 2017-04-10
They were willing to shell out $3200. For that money you could put four United employees in a limo, drive them the four or five hours to Louisville, and avoid abusing a random passenger who will hopefully lawyer the fuck up and take much more than $800 home.
n/a JustChrisMC 2017-04-10
Pics or didn't happen
n/a w3pep 2017-04-10
Nice job /r/conspiracy. I'm proud of you for taking /r/The_Donald's dick out of your mouth long enough to pay and promote this story
n/a OFFICIAL_CNN_REDDIT 2017-04-10
You say, in a post that was deleted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/64k06l/reddit_got_paid_by_united_airlines_pr_and_is/?sort=top
Have a little taste
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n/a w3pep 2017-04-10
So you're saying there dick was in there the whole time?
n/a NoMomItsDubstep 2017-04-10
/r/videos claimed if violate rule 4 which bans videos of police brutality. 1. That's a stupid rule and 2. Police brutality wasn't even the major focus of the video. My god Reddit is becoming such a shitty website, and the worst part is they have the gall to lie to us like that.
n/a Bind_Moggled 2017-04-10
And yet, here you are, adding content.
n/a db_cooper95 2017-04-10
It's on the top of r/news at the moment and has been for awhile. It's been out for over 15 hours on social media so there's no chance for a cover up. Settle down
n/a lordofthedries 2017-04-10
I just watched the video from a post on the front page.
n/a biacco 2017-04-10
The real reason it was removed was because it was posted in r/videos. They have a policy where you can't post police brutality videos. The mods of r/videos removed it, not Reddit.
I agree that's a stupid reason but that's what happened. See the new post for this video on r/news if you want proof
n/a totallynewperson2 2017-04-10
Corporations vs. peasants.
n/a Datruyugo 2017-04-10
There are literally 15 subreddits that are all posting this video..fuck.
n/a Swazimoto 2017-04-10
It was a united employee too
n/a dayundalion 2017-04-10
If their ticket was more expensive (ie, they fly higher class than you). Not saying I agree with it though.
n/a shadowofashadow 2017-04-10
Never forget Sears.
http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Fuck_Sears
n/a adidasbdd 2017-04-10
Does the fine print say " if we fuck up and need to send employees somewhere, we can take your seat by force?"
n/a nineinchgod 2017-04-10
Once more, for the peanut gallery: THE FLIGHT WAS NOT OVERSOLD.
Re-read the meaning of that term in the contract.