Saturn Moon Matrix? Sacred Geometry?

21  2017-04-12 by CasinoReality117

Can someone explain why they believe the Saturn Moon matrix theory? Or if it's a red herring but with some truth? Stuff about sacred geometry, chakras, astral stuff, etc. What connection does this stuff have with holy books? Does "Magick" actually exist? If so, is it the manipulation of the matrix? Does that make it satanic or not necessarily? Or this all a bunch of nonsense? I would prefer some open minded discussion though. :)

Were holy books written to spread the truth in a hidden format? Or was it just a tool for mass population control? Or something else? Stuff like meditation can't be "satanic" can it? That's a claim I've heard before, and it's difficult to believe lol.

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All a bunch of nonsense?

If you really want to know, I give personal readings into your astrophysical future. $150 an hour. Let me know.

/s

The moment anyone can give me scientifically reproducable evidence to acknowledge the existence of any of these theories, I'll be on board.

I'm mostly interested in this David Icke theory because it seems to tie together lots of coincidences and occultic stuff. From what I've seen (symbolism) I can conclude either the elite are religious nuts, psychopaths or have some kind of "suppressed knowledge". Maybe all the above...

I'm somewhat skeptical about this stuff but still curious. I don't know what connection these things have to ancient Egypt and the Khazars but surely there's no smoke without fire. Why would the wealthy bullshit themselves about some occultic crap? If I'm understanding correctly, freemason stuff (not sure if mason and freemason are the same thing or not...) isn't really about workmanship like people claim, but probably more likely to be something about knowing sacred geometry since the freemason logo has a G for God/geometry/Great architect of the universe.

Is the "Lord" in the Bible Satan while God is God? Very confusing to me, especially as I'm not religious. Damn, holy books, why you no speak non-cryptic English!!?

The deeper you get into conspiracies, the more you start to think random stuff like the Bermuda triangle, satanism, corporations, Atlantis, Babylon, etc. are all linked in some way. But I don't want to run before I walk, so I'm waiting for some replies from people who might know something I don't about this subject. If this Saturn Moon matrix theory is true, can't we cancel out the deceptive signal wave with an anti wave via destructive interference (physics concept)? I also wonder how time is involved in all this and if "born in sin = born in sine wave, as in time" has some truth in it or just someone connecting dots that aren't meant to be connected.

Stopped at David icke

That's your choice, dude. I considered him controlled opposition due to the reptillian stuff but to remain truly critical, you have to entertain an idea and wait for it expose itself as a falsehood. Nothing is off the table for me, until it's truly disproven. Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction. I'm still on the fence about this theory. The occultic stuff is either crazy shit bored elites fantasize about, or it's actually suppressed knowledge. That's my view.

Y U no speak non-cryptic English!!?

Because they couldn't practice mental gymnastics and goal post moving if the wording was clear.

Lol. But I'm still going to be cautious as I don't know the true origin of these books. They could have been modified to become almost useless. But I'm no historian.

You should /could watch Robert Sepeher on youtube. He is a young antropologist who connects a lot of your dots ( I have quite the same) Robert Sepehr

You should /could watch Robert Sepeher on youtube. He is a young antropologist who connects a lot of your dots ( I have quite the same) Robert Sepehr

You have to have a modicum of belief in order to tap into the other realms, skeptics can't see UFOs, like how the natives couldn't see Columbus' ships

I tried an experiment testing for pyramid oddities like making a dirty coin (placed inside) shiny again. I read beforehand that skeptics are less successful so I took that into account but the experiment failed after a month of waiting. Do you think I had a false belief? Or a flaw in methodology? Or both? How can you truly believe something blindly if you're a critical thinker? Sounds impossible. :/

I use dowsing rods or pendulums to locate Earth vortexes around Mount Shasta and if I had dowsing rods to a skeptic, they don't move and they think I am tricking them and I have to show I am not

Ley line stuff? I'm not too familiar with the concept but could your phenomenon be caused by subconscious movement similar to the apparent explanation of how ouja boards make the piece move? (But can't explain the accounts of weirder stuff like things flying across the room, assuming the claimers are being honest.) Just trying to look at both angles.

There's a place called "Ascension Rock" that is supposed to be over the council chambers of the underground city of Telos; and when I walk close to it, the rods swing open like a gate and when I step back, they close. I have no intention in mind when I do it and it happens in the same place

You could try doing it without knowing your direction and timing (disorientated/lost, blindfolded, maybe having the same smell in front of you at all times like essential oils or something if it doesn't affect the experiment) and having someone who doesn't believe you, guide you in random directions until randomly the area is stepped into so you can tell if it's the subconscious or some stranger phenomenon.

The subconscious probably can't do much without enough sensory data, so if the test is successful, it could indicate the subconscious was not involved. Just an idea. I wonder if someone's already done something like this. It reminds me of when I wonder if I can feel a laser beam on my palm or if it's just my mind playing along lol.

Apparently we don't tactilely feel anything, our mind tricks us because there is always a lay of atoms between objects? Or something like that?

Might get better responses in r/holofractal or something similar. Whether you believe it or not, sacred geometry is fascinating.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

I read your other reply on here as well, if you're okay with long YouTube lectures, I highly recommend Manly P Hall's lectures, that youtube channel has several 1 hour + lectures by him on the general topics you're discussing. At the very least, I'd say to check out How Astrology Has Influenced Religion and Initiation Of The Pyramid which talks about initiation rites that took place in the Great Pyramid

Long lectures usually go beyond my attention span sadly, but thanks, I will still take a look at each of the resources you posted. :)

If you like the whole numbers are universal concept check out the mandlebrot set. Thought it was really cool.

Here's a compiled thread we did on sacred geometry

http://awakeningforums.com/thread/368/hidden-world-symbols-right-front

Feel free to share and read

As above so below, as within so without.

Can you explain what this means?

Reality is a projection that we create from within (but we don't live in separate realities which is why you can't just save the world by meditation). The microcosm is within and the macrocosm is without. Remember the Men in Black movie with the galaxy being housed within a trinket on a cat's collar? And the pug mocks Will Smith about his disbelief in huge things being contained in something very small?

As above so below refers to higher and lower dimensions being inherently linked. This is why it's confusing that the planets are considered to be Gods. They're just lumps of rock in this dimension but in the higher vibrations they may very well be real entities with consciousness.

Oh ok, that's quite interesting. Have any resources I could look at to go deeper? Any kind of proofs or circumstantial evidence that implies the elites are onto something? (They can still be psychotic, even if occultism is based in reality.) Is there not a way to break the signal or is it not literally a wave? Otherwise I would have thought destructive interference could have been used to end the illusion. Or is it a wave from another dimension? (Difficult concept to get my head around about stuff to do with dimensions and the electromagnetic spectrum.)

Look into Hermeticism, Jewish and Christian Mysticism, occult philosophy (Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall) and Gnosticism. I don't have 1 documentary to recommend watching or anything like that. Also I have no idea about breaking the signal nor would I discuss it here.

Why wouldn't you discuss it here? (Just curious) Because it's a compromized sub?

The Internet is compromised. If you could save the world would you let the enemy know how?

Fair point. I hope whoever does figure it out, leakes it at the appropriate time and platform and not too early or late.

I'd recommend Santos Bonaccis Holy Science vid on YouTube. The syncretism explanations are very interesting.

The documentary Kymatica goes into this well. Worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5plpGS7t0U

Okay, lemme share some of my findings with you.

Basically Saturn is a deity which represents Karma cycle. Saturnalia was the harvest for the seeds you have planted and that's why Saturn is represented with the cicle.

David icke's theory is basically the following. Let's say here are the color and sound spectrum: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 which objectively exists. According to him what Saturn does is cuts it massively and humanity only sees and hears let's say 4 5 6 without any idea about others. Now to further develop this theory what if every human is already more than 3 Dimensional being by it's nature but Saturn/It's Cube is blocking all the other perceptions except for the ones which are experienced in matter.

Here we must go to astrological and religious parts. As you know there 12 signs of zodiac and 12 zodiacal eras which go in reverse to each other and which are also a cycle. Planet Earth was in Astrological Era of Taurus before the "Old testament" period and hence there were a lot of Taurus/Golden Bull/ Baal worship. Once Earth moved from Taurus to Aries started the Old testament period. That was the moment YHWH appeared in scriptures and he was considered the God of Israel. Aries is pretty much modern day Baphomet representation. Later since the new testament earth switched from Aries to Piesces but let's skip that for now.

As you know according to Greek myths Saturn has killed his farther Ouranos and started to rule since then until Zeus/Jupiter survived and killed Saturn.

Here is the planetary representation:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/jethita/jethita1606/jethita160600037/58762864-Solar-system-set-of-planets-Mercury-Venus-Earth-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune-Pluto-Space-illus-Stock-Vector.jpg

It occurs so that with each zodiacal era switch humanity worship changed from one planet to another. The current one is in era of Jupiter.

However for some reason jews for example would not like to accept this switches and they keep worshipping Saturn on their sacred day Saturn/day while Christian worship Sun on Sunday and Muslims worship Moon and live according to Moon calendar Moonday.

YHWH, God of Jews is represented in macrocosm as Saturn but planet itself probably is not the only part of it.

This can be further developed surely as Israel is ISIS(water) + RA(sun energy) + EL(AIR), basically these are three elements which are necessary for your existence, holy trinity. If you search for some of current scientific results oxygen is what causes people to age and get old but I am not sure about it personally however it is an interesting concept.

Satanic basically equals material. Material is illusional. That's why everything material dies and cannot be taken with you after your death. IF you try to think for a second right now that you are going to die for example tomorrow then everything what bothers you right now would be very silly.

However, there are also different assumptions. The problem is that humanity always tries to split everything in two, if God is Christ than there antiGod is Satan, if God is YHWH then antiGod is Lucifer, if God is Absolute then antiGOD is YHWH and it goes on and on.

Questions like "meditation can't be satanic?" are obviously represent that you at the very beginning of your journely. Let's say that the only think which you can carry out with you after your life is knowledge, memory and wisdom, so everything which makes you more knowledgable is good for you despite any believes you have. You just have to study a lot and not accept anything blindly.

I am a bit tired of typing for this specific point of discussion. There are a lot of additional information I can share but not right now.

As for mathematics it is probably a representation of universal language which is self-sufficient. Let's say that if I tell you "square" or "cube" you need an image way of decoding this words. However if I simply write 333 you may fairly easily interpret that as a cube.

Now numbers are also quite mysterious by it's nature. We are being taught that it is used simply to calculate stuff and write it on paper however everything which surrounds us basically consists of numbers and scientists do not invent anything but simply find out new ways as they deepen their knowledge.

That's all quite a lot of information and require so effort to study. I am personally quite at the beginning of the journey so I hope at least some of this info is helpful for you.

Thank you very much for taking the effort to write this. Some of it has gone over my head but I will re-read it soon and do more research. Just another brief question: What is the significance of pyramids, eye of providence, "33 degrees", the Skull & Bones number 322, hexagrams, the flower of life pattern and the black cube symbol of Saturn? Numerology really goes over my head. :/

Very thoughtful and appreciated response. Wonder if you've ever watched Uncle Bearhearts YouTube videos on the Saturnine Current? I know he goes off on one now and again but I do enjoy is explanations of some things and those videos are like yearly go-to's for me. Time & Space! Love it.

Bunch of nonsense to keep retards occupied.

Occupied retard = it can be exploited easier.

I understand your concern, and don't want to distract people away from the more imminent issues of politics, corporate corruption, etc. But it still may be wise to stay on the fence on this one since there's enough symbolism to be suspicious of its significance. Although, as you suggest, it could also be distracting disinfo. I'm open to either interpretation.

I'm 45 years old. As most people, I was attracted to the topic of mysticism/paranormal during my youth.

Not once I have witnessed anything supernatural or anything that wasn't turning out to be utter bullshit.

Now I see these fabrications as wild growths of the cancer called religion.

Once you realize that most of your fellow humans are mentally retarded, everthing falls into place.

Let me share with you something easily supernatural. Let's it all pile of crap. Do you believe that humans have souls? If not then that's scientifically not possible for me to imagine how do you think your complete disappearance would occur.

If you do believe that human have souls then vagina is the supernatural portal. Why? because everyone with the consiousness is getting born through vagina. There is no other way for any soul to enter this world but through female vagina. At which point soul gets attached to the semen inside women? Do you know? I do not. That's fairly easy to take the concept that 2 parts of semen get together and form a human but at which point soul come into this world? So, if you try to read what I wrote at least several times and look at it in specific perspective you will understand what I am saying. Vagina is a portal for souls to enter material plane despite how silly it can sound. If you find any soul which have entered this planet without vagina let me know.

That is just sad. Weird little 'miracles' happen to me everyday. You need a decoder ring.

Examples?

You have to have a modicum of belief in order to tap into the other realms, skeptics can't see UFOs, like how the natives couldn't see Columbus' ships

Uh, if you need to believe something to see then it's 100% certain that it only exists in your brain.

Do you know what UFO stands for?

You sound like you lead a sad, non-mystical existence and I feel sorry for you

I live a good life, I just cannot tolerates bullshit and stupidity.

Fair enough, your experience is as valid as any other. :)

No.

No idea what warranted such a response....

You said that my opinion is as valid as any other. Which is clearly false, if you consider the topic.

I said experiences, not opinions, since opinions can easily be invalid. Assuming no one is lying, shilling, exaggerating, delusional, etc., we can't reasonably say "person X who claims they experienced many weird stuff in their life" had a less valid experience than "person Y who claims they experienced NO weird stuff at all in their life".

If both are truthful and correct, neither are invalid, as it is possible for one person to experience strange phenomena (without normal explanations) and another person to go years without strange occurances or not noticing them.

Obviously, if some people are lying, shilling, delusional, etc. then one person's argument is invalid, but it's difficult to tell when there is no hard evidence on either side. There are logical arguments on both sides but it's not enough to come to a conclusion for now.

Just a random thing: It is said in the 5th dimension, Jupiter is a Blue sun.

I've heard 5th dimensional prophecies that Jupiter is a brown dwarf that will create a binary star system with our sun and make it more stable with less radiation

I'm going to come back to this with some info.

The best line in got from the years of listening to David Icke are this:

People are under a spell. If you believe something then your version of reality will be restricted by that belief. It has been scientifically proven.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbhbcnGNNaw

"When meditation is mastered the mind is unwavering like the flame of a lamp in a windless place"

“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of harming another; you end up getting burned.”

No idea how to master meditation, I just feel like I'm sitting there for 10 mins for nothing. :/ And not sure if I'm supposed to have my eyes open or not.

Saturn Moon matrix theory

Most of David Icke's theories seem to start off solid and then latch onto very specific conclusions with little evidence.

The idea we live in a controlled simulation is pretty well established across religions and science. But the idea that Saturn and the Moon are responsible doesn't have much evidence. It seems more logical that the entire 3D universe is the simulation or prison to keep us from seeing actual reality.

Similarly, the idea there are meta-physical entities: Christians call them angels and demons, Gnostics call them Archons, UFOlogists call them interdimensional aliens. But Icke insists they're reptilians, which seems even less credible than calling them aliens.

I've been in a meditative state and seen an evil green thing with big eyes, so I get how people can interpret this as aliens or reptilians. I think Archon devil-god makes a better framework for understanding than Icke's framework, though.

How do you get in a meditative state and where did you see a red eyed green being? O_o Is this a common phenomenon lol?

Does "Magick" actually exist?

The people who rule this world believe it does. You can break magick into two parts, in my view. Directly and consciously affecting the outcome of the world (sigils, spells, etc.) and summoning something metaphysical that can help you affect the world (e.g. prayer, Satanism).

Why does prayer generally not work? Any ideas?

Maybe you're praying for the wrong thing, or to the wrong thing. Or someone else is praying for something the opposite of you, and they're doing it better.

Overgeneralizing, if you pray for evil, something evil may help you. If you pray for good, you might get no help because good wants us to have free will.

Were holy books written to spread the truth in a hidden format? Or was it just a tool for mass population control?

Taking the bible as an example, I think it started with a lot of truth. Then people added a lot of dogma and myth that were made up. Then a bunch of pedophile priests spent centuries editing it into a population control tool so they could tell you to obey them or you'd go to hell.

Does "Magick" actually exist? If so, is it the manipulation of the matrix? Does that make it satanic or not necessarily?... Stuff like meditation can't be "satanic" can it?

Meditation is basically prayer, and prayer is a form of magick. If you pray to god or for something good, it's not Satanic. If you pray to Satan or meditate to manifest Satan for evil purposes, it's Satanic.

Magick is all about intent.

Can you explain what this means?

The Internet is compromised. If you could save the world would you let the enemy know how?

I've heard 5th dimensional prophecies that Jupiter is a brown dwarf that will create a binary star system with our sun and make it more stable with less radiation

Maybe you're praying for the wrong thing, or to the wrong thing. Or someone else is praying for something the opposite of you, and they're doing it better.

Overgeneralizing, if you pray for evil, something evil may help you. If you pray for good, you might get no help because good wants us to have free will.