They worship shekels.

Oy Vey! Shut it down! The Goy know!

Goyim, ya schmendrick.

Moloch/Baal is the basis of the Illuminati sacrifice scene (from the Babylonian tradition brought into Europe by the Khazars).

What do you know of the temple of Solomon?

I don't really know anything about it.

Judaism's heritage comes directly from Egyptian tradition. The numerology and sacred geometry aspects are very similar to the "mystery schools" of the classical era of the Mediterranean. Dimensions of the Temple Mount, Noah's Ark, and Ark of the Covenant all (supposedly) point to this lineage.

The Babylonian "mysteries" are mostly spiritualism. Crowley, Dee, Lovecraft, et al. basically combined the biblical hierarchy of angels and demons with the existing pantheon of "old gods" (and allegedly a lot of "black magic" practices gleaned from communication with these beings. It is interesting to note that these ideas don't seem to make it to the European continent until the second millennium, CE.

They exist, any prove for that claim?

for the sacred geometry - here

For the Babylonian imagery, I would point to the secret societies of Europe and Babylonian influence in cities like Brussels and the Hague. Earliest examples that I know of coincide with the creation of the Knights Templar in 1119. This event comes shortly after the Khazarian fall of 1048. For similarities of imagery just Google search terms "Babylonian symbols" and "Khazar symbols" in separate windows and compare.

this.

Moloch/Baal

This is correct. And look at Kaballah and esoteric Judaism, which is behind a lot of this (NOT actual Judaism).

The Khazar stuff isn't well-supported in science (i.e. very few modern Jews have Khazar DNA), and you're mistaking the Illuminati for Freemasonry. The Bavarian Illuminati went away in the 1780s, but elites perpetuate the myth of them running the world so you don't pay attention to who really runs it.

I have always considered the two to be intertwined (Illuminati and Freemasonry) - particularly so in terms of Masons allegedly being required to trample the cross (Luciferian to me - not necessarily devil worship, but I consider it a part rejection of religion and standard morality).

I agree with that. I think Illuminati has become more of a catch all term that encompasses any elite pulling strings behind the scenes.

I have just started reading about Aleister Crowley and Thelema. they seem to want to do the most extreme things to eradicate any sense of remorse or emotional meaning.

No offense, but I think this is a pretty perverse way to view Thelemic principles.

none taken.. just heard some dark things about.. They do the spirit cooking right? you know the sperm and blood drinking? Seems they are perverse?

Thelema isn't about drinking bloody sperm...

spirit cooking ? Marina Abramović remember her?

I do, but what does this have to do with Thelema?

Isn't Marina Abramović a high priestess or something? definitely a connection between Hollywood elites and the satanic symbolism and thelema

I don't keep up with celebs too much, outside of what's posted here from time to time.

I guess I should've phrased that as something like, to my understanding this has nothing to do with Thelema. When I've read on this topic I've always found the dialogue to pertain to intent, choices and what I'd describe as manifest, at least that's what I'm under the impression that this is also related to their choice in using a unicursal hexagram, I suppose I see it as an expression of choice path.

Idk, the Thelemic side of the surface occult content doesn't feel nefarious to me, but we all have our lenses... idk.

When I first read about pizzagate I thought that there must be enabling sub-cultures evolving. A philosophy that you could do horrible things and be justified by... I found Thelema. I imagine there must be differing degrees, but I am sure that some use Thelema teachings to verify their existence.

lol Thelema is to blame for pizzagate now, eh?

so have you met my mate Jimmy Saville? I wonder if he has any connections to Thelema? I suspect you are ignorant of this as well.

No offense, but if you don't fully understand Thelema and haven't read Crowley's books then why are you promoting/defending Thelema?

I've read a few and the impression from most of the content I've read was outlined with my reply to the now deleted comment, I don't think Thelema deserves the blame so I said something. Politely.

haven't read Crowley's books

He ate his own excrement in a celebration of the Eucharist. No thanks.

Limiting your knowledge because of this would be silly.

Parts of if are. Certain rituals call for the use of semen. Some blood. People pervert the "do as thou wilt" bit. I'm more of a fan of "do as thou wilt and do no harm to others"

Tons of thelemites like to "ignore" the facts that some people take it to a very dark place. Which in itself makes me suspicious of their personal path.

I'm more of a fan of "do as thou wilt and do no harm to others"

Then you're not a fan of Crowley.

Yes, it was semen and vaginal fluids mixed together. Why are you defending Crowley?

Thelema is open to a wide array of interpretations, however, it's founder was likely involved with demonic conjurations, ritual sacrifice, black magick and Luciferian ideals. To say that these things aren't perverse is your opinion.

is your opinion.

Not sure why you've tried to frame my opinion for me, as I've made no comment to the founders activities or associations and admitted that I'm not quite versed for battle on this topic, although from my understanding this whole blame Thelema seems unwarranted and distasteful.

I don't think anyone here is blaming a belief system for all the world's problems. It's the people who follow it and carry out agendas that are at fault. Regardless, Thelema is a very self-centered and dark, occult-based religion so it's very fair to say that those who follow it are not working in the best interest of the masses. Thelema isn't exclusive to Kabbalah either, which is what we see celebrities like Demi Moore following.

I get that the new trend is to accept everyone and everything these days. But realistically some people are sacks of shit and deserve to be hated. The people commenting negatively have read his books which are easily available. What amazes me most is it flys right past peoples heads that if a groups religion is said to be focused around deception and self preservation and they say "nah were your buddy pal dontcha worry about a thing" you don't think they are possibly bullshitting you? Why would someone rat themselves out for dark deeds?

I think you mean right hand path magic, then. Not Thelema.

Left-hand is the darker path. Thelema is definitely still Satanic too, although not Satanism itself

How do you interpret a system where people mix semen and vaginal fluids together for magical potions?

Pretty irrelevant how he interprets it until you or someone else can explain how you make the leap from those fluids being consumed to someone trying to "eradicate any sense of remorse or emotional meaning".

I'm pretty confident we can judge Crowley by his fruit.

So no argument given then.

He ate his own poop and called it the Eucharist. Are we done here?

Lol

Definitely proof that everyone involved in his religion wants to eradicate all sense of remorse then.

Yeah, lots of drug use and weird homosexual stuff too.

11th degree is surprise gay sex, IIRC.

Zeppelin bought his house and recorded When the Levee Breaks with the drums in the stairwell for a nice echo

That drum part though. Bonzo sounds like a giant playing 20ft drums!!!

they never recorded in Crowley's house, they recorded those in a completely different one. and it was just Jimmy, not the whole band.

My mistake, thank you for the correction!

In case you're genuinely interested in the ethics of Thelema, here is source material about it, written by Crowley:

http://www.thelema.org/publications/books/Ethics.pdf

Yep and the catholic church are all pedophiles.. well at least 20% of the clergy.. so are you sure themema doesn't have a dark side? blood /sperm drinking ie Maria Abromvic, jimmy saville

Jesus H. Christ, are we recommending Crowley in here now? The guy was a British intelligence asset that had gay rape as one of his "degrees of initiation."

That doesn't mean people dont follow in his steps. Why so defensive when someone brings up that the religion allows for those who have and agenda to twist and pervert it.

Why would I want to study the ethics of one of the least ethical people on earth? (in addition to being a poo-eater)

Well i did because thelemites said "nah read his books man". After reading just a smudge of his ravings. No. Fuck them. Depends on what kind of person you are man. Im assuming your someone who could give a fuck less if someone is keeping you in the dark unless it directly effects you instead of someone who worries about every single outcome and enjoy some strange comfort in knowing what kind of sick fucks are out there. In that one sometimes i wish for the first one

It's one thing if you read someone who is in a tradition you don't agree with. I read Manly P Hall, because he tells the truth about a lot of things in masonry, and as far as I know wasn't a horribly evil person.

But Crowley was a known liar and a horrible person. So he's not even reliable.

religion is only for the poors and simple minds ... to give them a reason to be a good slave - you will get a better live after this one when you are a good slave ...

I definitely think there is a slave religion, or religion for the slaves. But I also think there is a religion for the Lords, or the slave masters, something that signifies their status.

ALL religions are made for the slaves ...

No,

Depending on how you define religion, lots of people use it to convey meaning only people in the religion would be able to pick up on. They do this using imagery and code words. It's like the Masons. They have special symbols and phrases only they know and the higher up you are the more secret the phrases and symbols you learn. Publishers can get stories published just by dropping this catch phrase in. It's a way to signal to other people that you are one of them without directly stating it.

Who was responsible for the abolition movement? (Hint: it wasn't atheists)

Depends on the religion.

nope ... they are all the same

Man, I get sick of internet atheists some times. Never once do they a damn thing about religion, and they prance around like they know everything because they realized that the church they grew up in was corrupt.

Not religion, knowledge. They know what we don't and the name of the game is to keep us from finding out

Luciferianism

I don't think they worship anything.

I think they'd see themselves above worship, and they wouldn't risk worshiping some ancient demon when they're in such high positions.

Universalism

for them god is the one who establishes order out of chaos, stands above all dominance hierarchies and rules for eternity. not in heaven but on earth

sounds like lucifer to me

for us it is lucifer (hell, slavery, eternal suffering) for them it is Yahweh, the god of the kingdom of Judah

yhwh is jesus name not lucifer. im misunderstanding or you lost me. Lucifer just means bringer of light, which God in the bible also takes claim of(being a bringer of light).

yhwh is not the name of jesus. it is the name of a national god, a tribal god

yahweh? please explain.

yhwh is a Judaean god. the god of the Pharisees. a blood-thirsty, jealous and vengeful god.

doesnt that describe the old testament God though? Im not questioning your knowledge Im legitimately asking eschatology is my weakpoint.

doesnt that describe the old testament God though?

Yes

when people are saying they follow yahweh are they severely misinformed then

Yes

Jesus is Lucifer. Lucifer is not an evil term, in any way. It just means light bringer.

Satan is not Lucifer. He pretends to be. "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" (1 Corinthians 11:14)

What a refreshing insight. So the imagery of Lucifer cast from heaven can be interpreted in parallel with the stone the builders rejected, i.e. Christ came to illuminate the masses?

So the imagery of Lucifer cast from heaven can be interpreted in parallel with the stone the builders rejected, i.e. Christ came to illuminate the masses?

By the mystery schools, yes. Because they like to pretend that Satan is a light bringer. And he's a concealer of light.

Does reckoning Christ as Lucifer (and the bright morning star) as the light bringing subversive lover of wisdom encourage you? It does me.

They invented religion lol

There's hundreds of different religions they use but in reality they are all the same

Im curious the exact moment when an average normal person becomes the super secret evil satanic "elite"......Im thinking its when they make 1$ past the $150,000.....or maybe the moment they receive thier political science degree...I dont know.. but somewhere in there, thats the key to identifying normal people that turn into secret evil dangerous child raping villans....Ive started a neighborhood program to identify all the smart nerdy kids...to protect our future! Cambodia forever!

150k is middle class or lower in plenty of professions and areas. I know people making 150k who have everyone pitch in for the office coffee supply, it's not uncommon in professionals

So weve determined $ 150,000 a year and people still act normal and human.. maybe its the $300,000+ a year when the elite morph into evil satanic/cannibalistic/pedophilliac monsters....I dont know

When you get asked to worship the Moloch Owl statue at Boheiminan Grove or the Moloch owl statue on Epsteins Lolita island. You might also try drinking blood and sperm at a john Podesta spirit cooking party..

And this is all true...

Not so much a religion, but they are occultists (hiders of knowledge).

I recommend Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11E33A6AEEB2674F

And also Julian Jaynes' "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind":

http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Julian_Jaynes_The_Origin_of_Consciousness.pdf

I don't agree with Jaynes 100%, but his work is extremely important to the elites. They believe the unwashed masses are basically unconscious zombies that believe whatever they are told, like schizophrenics hearing the voice of God.

What about Presbyterians, specifically the pca?

Well, it's clear they practice something very different, that main stream religions for the masses go to great lengths to demonize

To me the conspiracy is why? What exactly do they get out of that? I know what Christianity et al is for (population control) but...?

The most digestible answer I can give is that certain 'religions' are geared towards self empowerment from a psychological perspective. As much as people hate hearing it we all have stupid monkey brains. If you can trick that brain into being in the right mind set for any given situation then does it actually matter how you did it?

If you dig deep enough you'll find thelemic principles all over advertising. Good example being color psychology, seeing red and yellow makes you hungry and so many fast food logos utilize these colors. Thelema is about recapturing symbolism in order to tame your mind and to remove the subconscious power that it has over you. Something like the flip side of the coin from meditation and mantra if you want to think about it that way

This question is a whole rabbit hole, good luck to you haha

They're Christians of course.

For anyone who thinks they worship Luciferianism, please look up what Luciferianism actually is... This is a good start to get a feel for the difference between Lucifer and Satan https://www.thoughtco.com/who-is-lucifer-95920 Still, I do not blame anyone for thinking that 'Lucifer' is devilish. Because Christianity has confused everyone due to the huge amount of agendas questionable religious figures and organizations have had in the course of history. A lot of diversion tactics and disguises.

In any case, like I have said before in a prior topic, the 'Elites' belief system might be close to the Canaanites. At least, that is my opinion currently, more person research on the Bible needs to be done.

Because Christianity has confused everyone

Not Christianity. Mystery school followers intentionally created the confusion by pretending that Satan is Lucifer. He never was Lucifer, he was always an evil figure.

Jesus is Lucifer, the light bringer. And the term Lucifer has nothing to do with evil. This is classic Satanism, trying to make good things look evil and evil things look good.

They could also be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic, atheistic, etc. It's not like worshipping Satan is a prerequisite for being a power hungry elite.

No cant say I am. Dude was a junkie who couldn't follow half the shit he preached besides the selfish and carnal. One of the first requirements for success in magic is self control/discipline. Opium addiction has neither. Unless you religiously dose every day so who knows how he twisted that logic

They are atheist and believe in making money. That's why they are elite :D

hall is on my reading list (:

They exist, any prove for that claim?

What a refreshing insight. So the imagery of Lucifer cast from heaven can be interpreted in parallel with the stone the builders rejected, i.e. Christ came to illuminate the masses?

Left-hand is the darker path. Thelema is definitely still Satanic too, although not Satanism itself