From my experience once a person becomes an athiest, there is no turning back.

In answering your question, no I personally do not believe there is a god. There is no supporting evidence for such an entity to exist.

Source?

From my experience once a person becomes an athiest, there is no turning back.

From my experience, this is not true.

There is no supporting evidence for such an entity to exist.

There is no supporting evidence for such an entity not to exist. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

From my experience, this is not true. I know not a single person who once they got a grasp of logic and reason then decided to no longer use it. That is the only way one returns back to a 'faith' and that is by disregarding all logic. You have read the book from cover to cover right?

There is no supporting evidence for such an entity not to exist. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

The lack of supporting evidence of something existing IS the evidence that it does not exist! For if something exists there is always evidence of it. But for the record I would LOVE too see you use this logic as the basis for a defence case in court."Your honour, that person raped me.......because they cannot provide any evidence that they didn't then they must have!" Really?? If you claim something exists then the onus is on you to prove it, not the other way around!

Show me proof God doesn't exist then.

Here let me repeat my last paragraph for you, for apparently you missed it;

The lack of supporting evidence of something existing IS the evidence that it does not exist! For if something exists there is always evidence of it. But for the record I would LOVE too see you use this logic as the basis for a defence case in court."Your honour, that person raped me.......I have no evidence that they did but because they cannot provide any evidence that they didn't then they must have!" Really?? If you claim something exists then the onus is on you to prove it, not the other way around!

Show me evidence God doesn't exist.

Really?? If you claim something exists then the onus is on you to prove it, not the other way around!

I'm a prophet of god and god told me that you are to obey all my commands.

God doesn't exist.

That's the same kind of evidence as there is for the existence of a god.

Why do you not believe me, but believe the other humans that have told you he does exist?

Many people here have seen god or other metaphysical entities. They're not just taking other people's word for it, they've experienced it. A lot of us compare notes and have seen the same things. /r/occult

"God" is an easy way for people to explain something they don't yet understand. It's a self-imposed mental roadblock that blocks the search for honest answers about the unknown.

Science is a way for people to explain something they don't understand.

We have two theories of gravity, because neither works and we have to switch them depending on circumstances. Based on our theories of gravity, 95% of our universe is dark matter.

So either science is 95% wrong, or knows virtually nothing about 95% of our universe. And this is just about gravity, something as simply as what goes up must come down.

The scientific method is great, but the religion of science sucks. Other religions have many more answers, when you actually look and experiment for yourself.

Which god are you refering to?

And if God is something that truely can't be understood? I'm not a bible thumper but that's literally what it says..

Think of it in human terms. Let's say there is a law that is never enforced. If that law is never enforced, it is the same thing as no law at all, right?

There has never been an instance in which something in our universe has proved to be the result of the actions of a god. Not once in human history.

If no god ever does anything, then that is the same as no god at all...

Just like you can safely ignore a law that is never enforced, you can safely ignore a "god" that never acts.

I know not a single person who once they got a grasp of logic and reason then decided to no longer use it.

I also used to be an adherent of the Religion of Science. Most prominent scientists believe in some form of god. I'm talking people like Einstein and Hawking. They're logical and reasonable, and yet they believe.

There is no supporting evidence for such an entity not to exist.

There is no supporting evidence for unicorns to not exist, either.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

But absence is the evidence of absence.

Where is your god? What has it done? If your god does not demonstrate its presence, then whether it exists or not is immaterial - it has no affect on me, you or anything else in the universe (hence the absence of evidence) and thus is non-existent in practical terms.

A god that does nothing is the same thing as no god.

Where is your god? What has it done?

The easier question is where is the devil, and what has it done?

Turn on the news and look at the Syrian kid covered in rubble and blood, so that some banking royalty in Europe could buy energy from Qatar a few cents cheaper than buying it from Russia. Just greed?

Then look at all the robed kid fuckers at Bohemian Grove dancing around a giant owl. That's not just for fun.

If your god does not demonstrate its presence, then whether it exists or not is immaterial - it has no affect on me, you or anything else in the universe

God's not a man in the clouds, God generally leaves the world to free will. The devil(s) are more hands on, hence why the world sucks.

But putting that aside, if people believe there is an afterlife, their behavior in this world will be different. So just believing there's a judge sitting over you, doing nothing for now, but doing something later, can have material effects on this world.

You can't have evidence when science denies to give supernatural phenomenas a chance. There's independent science out there that has supporting evidence but the mainstream science will never accept it because it's been predicted on the atheistic worldview.

Science is science. There is no sliding scale of it. It works on theories, and then proofs on those theories. If something that is theorised is then not scientifically proven, with solid test results thus proving that theory, then it forever remains a theory until it can be proven. There is theoretical science which is only 'theoretical' as it cannot be proven and therefore not 'fact'.....but some claim that it not real science as it is lacking proofs.

You're right, science is science when it comes to the mundane aspects of it, when it starts to cros s over to the possibility of something supernatural they bash the idea because mainstream science is biased when it comes to controversial topics as such.

Science has a model for gravity. Well, actually two models, because they don't work correctly, so we sometimes switch them around. And then when we test them, we find they are way, way off. How far off? Well, currently scientists think 5% of the universe is baryonic matter (stuff we can see and touch) and 95% is dark matter/energy.

So, either science is 95% off in terms of understanding something as basic as why something that goes up must come down, or science knows virtually nothing about 95% of the stuff around us.

You know how 98% of scientists agree with climate change? The part they don't tell you is none of them have a consensus as to how much of the change is natural vs man made, in fact they can't even agree whether the earth is naturally cooling or warming.

Speaking of 98%, remember all the statisticians telling us Clinton was going to win?

The scientific method is solid, but science has been pushed as a religion and scientists (or the politicians, corporations, and media who pay their salary and report their results) are the new priests.

If I were looking to enslave a population, I'd first corrupt all religions and turn them into a control mechanism. "Do as you're told, or you go to hell."

When that stopped working, I would create the Religion of Science. People would unquestionably follow scientists the way they used to follow priests.

Atheism would be pushed hand in hand with science to make sure people were still obscured from the truth that we are not alone and are part of something larger and more powerful than ourselves.

And, sure enough, that's where we're at.

You're like a horse wearing blinders, and you put them on yourself.

Now you worship our astral dictator?

To me god is the all penetrating essence, the shared being that we call existence.

Christians call this "the holy spirit/ghost/host" and this is also what Sikhs consider god. And, yep.

There's loads of evidence. You just reject the evidence. I'm really tired of folks misunderstanding the definition of the word 'evidence.' The claim that there is no supporting evidence for the existence of God is obviously false.

Cool, what evidence can you supply? I look forward to reading over it!

First of all, just to be clear, I have no trouble with the definition of the word 'evidence,' so help yourself to tone down the condescension. What you and so many others who make claim that there is "no" evidence fail to understand is that your rejection of the evidence, on whatever grounds, does not mean the evidence is not evidence. As far as evidence goes, there is no shortage of arguments for the existence of God. Some of the classics are Anselm's Ontological Argument and the Kalam Cosmological Argument. More recently there's the argument from Fine Tuning and Alvin Plantinga's modern take on the Ontological Argument. Feel free to explore these arguments as you like. Regardless of your verdict you'll do well to note that the arguments themselves couldn't be arguments at all if they didn't start by first presenting evidence. Furthermore, the entirety of both the Old Testament and the New Testament is evidence supporting the existence of God; evidence you and so many others reject. But my point in all of this is, again, that your rejection of the evidence doesn't mean it isn't evidence. If you're really as interested in reading over evidence as you say (I have my doubts as to your sincerity) then here are a couple in depth starting points.

I was not being condescending, but rather you were accusing me of rejecting non existing evidence and I was in turn defending myself.

I did look into Kalam Cosmological Argument and the Anselm's Ontological Argument. But ultimately they are both arguments because they cannot be proven, otherwise they would be known as 'facts' instead of arguments. I can 'argue' that dragons still exist basing my evidence on dinosaur print fossils alas that does not make it a fact.

Furthermore, the entirety of both the Old Testament and the New Testament is evidence supporting the existence of God

That book of "evidence" also says that an assortment of creatures such as Leviathan, The Dragon, The Behemoth, and (Job 39:9–12) Unicorns. So the evidence you provide is tainted and not admissible.

Furthermore the bible is no more evidence that god exists any more than the Egyptian 'Book of the Dead' is proof of Ra, or the Harry Potter series proof of magic exists.

So apart from the book itself being 'evidence', what else you got? I am honestly interested in reviewing it! I am always open to new perspectives and views so long as they are backed up by solid evidence and proofs.

"That book of "evidence" also says that an assortment of creatures such as Leviathan, The Dragon, The Behemoth, and (Job 39:9–12) Unicorns. So the evidence you provide is tainted and not admissible."

"So the evidence you provide is tainted and not admissible."

"So the evidence you provide."

"evidence"

So have I provided evidence or is there no evidence? Which is it?

Again, since you're still not getting it, your rejection of the evidence doesn't mean it's not evidence. Say there's no satisfactory evidence. Say there's no evidence that you personally find convincing. But you can't say there's no evidence.

"The claim that there is no supporting evidence for the existence of God is obviously false." - me, first post in this thread, yesterday

I am the only atheist I know that turned into a believer. I gathered enough "evidence" so to speak to change my own mind. It all started when I was researching NDEs.

You're not alone.

I was a lifelong atheist. Not anymore. Two step process to "turn back".

1) Kill your ego and admit everything you know could be and probably is wrong.

2) Ask yourself "why do all these rich powerful people all seem to be running around Bohemian Grove in robes, building pagan temples on Epstein's island, and fucking and murdering kids?" Go look for the answer to that question.

Define "god".

Why, do you lack the intellectual capacity?

Hopefully OP is not talking about the Jewish old testament God.

Meta physical entities, psychic vampires, interdimensional beings, angels and demos, the demiurge, Archons, take your pick. People use different terms. I like the Archon model, but angels and demons works too.

Thank you, it only took 18 hours for someone to define "god". Jesus, was it that hard of a question?

People may have thought you were being sarcastic, I don't know.

All of the definitions of god that I gave are what I would call sub-gods, some of them are evil and may be seen as devils or demons. The super-god is the connection of all matter, energy, and thought. It is everything. Christians call it the Holy Spirit/Host/Ghost in the holy trinity. Sikhs consider it the real god. Others call it Indra's Net. Science calls it the hologram/simulation universe and quantum entanglement.

I personally believe so.

I think you didn't finish, but here's what I think is going on.

God IS Satan. Satan IS God.

We are here to sort out or balance this cosmic schizophrenia into something that makes sense. We are here to create meaning, because meaning cannot exist eithout time.

Where God is from, time is irrelevant.

In other words, we are God's avatars in a holographic universe that is his mind. Our actions are his thoights as he sorrs out the meaning behind his own existence.

So far, it seems like the "Satan" side is winning.

You nailed it. God is infinite, that means not just infinitely good but also infinitely evil. God created sub-gods to manage this little experiment we call the physical universe. Like people, some of those sub-gods are good, some are bad (Satan), and some are both.

I believe the point is to solve this problem: how does an infinite god stop being evil. So you setup an experiment (our multiverse) to find the solution, and then you iterate through a process to reach that solution. The solution is likely that god can't stop being evil, but it can quarantine that evil to have a good and bad side. You can call these heaven and hell. Our little experiment called life is a sorting algorithm to identify and separate evil into what we call hell.

No, I do not believe. I never judge others on their beliefs though. I feel it's a long road you take to make that decision, and it's personal to that individual. Please now don't spam me with religious BS, you know who you are, (not talking to OP).

Just couldn't resist.

I have no idea what that means, but whatever. I thought we were going to have polite conversation, where people could be real, but I guess not.

led me to think god and Satan are real, and TPTB may want u to think otherwise

They don't want you to find out what they're doing, and why. Or what you can be doing.

I believe there is a Good and Evil force in the Universe. I'm on the Good side!

From your research do you believe god (and Satan) to be real?

I don't know how people can ask this question, because it's meaningless.

First of all, everyone has a different concept of what the word "God" means. For some, it's a universal intelligence. For others, it's Jesus. For others, it's an old man with a white beard. For others, it's the Yahweh of the Old Testiment. And so on, and so on. That's the first point.

Secondly, all of our concepts of God are only limited models that attempt to describe something that is far beyond human comprehension. My understanding of God is wrong, your understanding of God is wrong, everyone's understanding of God is wrong, because we cannot understand God.

Now if you asked if I believe there is some intelligent purpose behind the existence and design of life in the universe, I would answer "yes". It seems absurdly simplistic to believe that life simply started to spontaneously organize itself from inanimate matter. Call this organizing principle "God" if you like, but I am not so arrogant or foolish as to believe that I understand what God is or what God's purpose is.

Couldn't have said it better 👏🏽

From your research do you believe god (and Satan) to be real?

I'm open to there being some kind of creator, but the Christian bible is a silly story that isn't even internally cohesive. Basically everything in it was just taken from previous religions.

I would be just as likely to believe in the Pantheon of ancient Greece, or the Roman gods, or any other superstition from thousands of years ago.

Pretty obvious to me that it's the same kind of mythology that springs up everywhere. Stories created to explain things they didn't have the scientific knowledge to understand.

You're on the right track. Ignore the dogma and the parables that are obviously not literal. Focus on the commonality between religions.

There are multiple gods (or entities or whatever). The bible even says this, and old religions like Egypt/Greece/Rome said it.

Some of the internal inconsistency is because when you say "god" you could be talking about opposing forces, Baal, Moloch, Yahweh, whatever. So "god" could tell Abraham to kill his son and then "god" could tell him to stop, because the first god could be Moloch and the second god Yahweh.

Yes

The reason they continually push 'God' on you is because this idea has utility for them. They hide behind the Great and Terrible Oz disguise and get you to do their bidding. That's really all there is.

For an example of this look at author Tom Wolfe's latest book about Darwin and Noam Chomsky. Wolfe is a Yale graduate who is clearly a CIA asset. He champions George H W Bush but can't articulate why.

They don't push god as much as they used to, perhaps because they've found surrogates that accomplish the same thing like celebrities and identity politics

They don't push god as much as they used to

Oh yes they do... the nature of their "god" may have changed over time, but they still push it as hard as ever.

The "rule of god" may have become the "rule of law", but they make the laws the same way they always have. Whether you worship their fictional sky daddy, or their economic theory, or their political agenda, doesn't matter, as long as you worship what they want you to worship.

They used to push god, the idea of hell was a good control mechanism.

It's not anymore, now they push atheism and the religion of science. Next step, Luciferianism, according to Albert Pike.

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Nah it's not, you don't have to fully understand the science behind it, just kinda get little pieces of everything and over time you'll fill in the blanks

just start small, figure out what that flower circle shit looking thing is

Look into quantum physics and see what particle duality is and try to wrap your head around it and see it =/= common sense , you have to open your mind, be open to all information, don't be in a rush to make a decision, the more information you have, the more your mind can crossreference, the better.

Like I posted that post on holofractal, yte I don't know shit about any of that stuff. But little by little I pick up, read a little about kaballah one day here, a little about this one day there, etc

Same with cryptocurrency , started off 1 month ago knowing nothing bought some eth, now I am diversified into 40+ coins (small amount of money but still) , learned / performed 100+ trades back and forth, learning day trading + analysis, participated in ICO's , etc . pretty cool

That sub really needs some TLDR posts stickied at the top.

Good point , like an ELI5 Summary up top of an overview of what it's all about

There may be something in the sidebar, I haven't checked close enough. But yes, an ELI5 would be awesome. That sub's on the right track, but it's like walking into a graduate level class of physics, psych, and theology. Daunting.

Ya, I did a lot of research on this. Ultimately, I found that we are all God.. the very same God (same person). Basically all of life is God so there's only one person here.

A lot of people here have come to the same conclusion.

The existence of a god is the oldest "conspiracy" on earth. For literally thousands of years a "god" (or gods) has been used by the elites to suppress and control the masses.

Yes, but I think you are approaching this backwards.

First they got us to worship their gods. Then they obfuscated their gods by corrupting religion into a control mechanism. When that started failing, they pushed the religion of science and atheism.

Next comes WWIII and the introduction of Luciferianism, according to Albert Pike.

Religion has always been a control mechanism.

I think Native Americans actually had religion that was not a control mechanism. I believe at least some religion is "pure". Not many, though.

Maybe not god persay but some form of personal spirituality, yes, absolutely

That "personal spirituality" is just a piece of the whole universal spirit. the universal energy that is consciousness. We all come from the universe, we are all the Universe observing itself, interacting with itself.

"The kingdom is within you"

I had a thought earlier that religion in general has been warped into a tool used to stop people from investigating phenomena and instead attribute it to "god" or "angels".

In other words it's a way to snub critical thinking.

I was on imgur earlier, and there was an image dump of "things I used to believe as a kid". One of them went along the lines of "when I was a kid, when I flew in a plane I would hear the baggage bumping around, but I thought it was angels bumping into the plane".

I was raised in a christian family, and I noticed my mind would always jump to attribute things to supernatural phenomena before even attempting to explain it using natural phenomena. It always made me feel dumb when I looked further and found the true cause.

I think that all religions are mostly wrong and only have a few fragments of truth in them. I'm open to the idea of an afterlife or reincarnation, especially after reading this, however there's so much corruption in any religion that I would never think one is more correct than any other.

The first time I questioned it was when I read in the bible that the jews are god's "chosen people". I then had the thought that maybe the bible is a kind of guide for a certain Zionist group to gain power, specifically the book of revelations. Things that led me to this conclusion would include reading that "half of all people born will be autistic by 2025" and linking that to how people say slave workers would be used in a depopulation scenario. Autistic individuals are supposed to be poor at communication and good at repetitive tasks. It's a great way to stop any sort of uprising from their slaves.

Depopulation of most of the earth's individuals is a relatively popular theory, which just so happens to be a major part of how the world is supposed to end. You know, the 4 horseman? Plagues, Famine, War and Conquest.

Gosh there's alot of stuff to write, I need to make a post about this.

Anyway, sorry for the tangent. To sum it up, I think any religion or spirituality that may have been mostly correct at one point has been warped as a tool to control any individual's basic thought process.

Most religions have definitely been warped into control mechanisms. Science has also become a religion, for the same purpose. People now believe anything a scientist tells them, the way they used to believe anything a priest tells them.

In not religious, and I am skeptical of science. The reason I'm skeptical of science is because their outcomes (mostly) are driven by corporate interests.

Better to educate yourself and do your own experiments, where possible.

The reason I'm skeptical of science is because their outcomes (mostly) are driven by corporate interests.

Nailed it. Science is a religion. Paid for by TPTB.

Better to educate yourself and do your own experiments, where possible.

Nailed it again. I and others have experimented. We have independently reached the same conclusion. We have experienced good and evil. God and the devil(s).

No.

The Rothschild created central banking system is the whore of Babylon. The Rothschild are the ones the book of Revelation is talking about when it mentions those that claim to be Jews but are liars, AKA the Synagogue of Satan.

In the Book of Revelation it says that world leaders have fornicated with and been corrupted by the whore of Babylon(which was created by the synagogue of Satan), and the merchants of the world have been made drunk from her wines. Our politicians have been bought and paid for with money produced by the central banking systems. The merchants of the world have been blinded with greed and allow the money from the central banking systems to control their lives at the expense of all of mankind.

Two things I disagree with:

The "Jews"(remember, they're actual of the synagogue of Satan and only lie about being Jews)

You could have said "zionists" and wouldn't even need the parenthesis

All we can do is accept Christ and let it all play out.

My favourite quote from The Walking Dead is father Gabriel saying "God will save Alexandria, because he has given us the courage to defend her ourselves".

I'm not very religious and definitely not a church goer, but from my limited understanding of God he doesn't seem like the type to help those who don't try to help themselves first.

Most Jews are actually Jewish, they worship Yahweh. Now maybe Yahweh is actually Baal or the demiurge and they're accidentally worshiping something evil, but then you could say the same about Christians worshiping "God the father" as part of the holy trinity.

It's the Luciferians and Satanists who are deliberately worshiping evil and pretending to be Jews (and Catholics, and...), they're the problem. The guy running the local Jewish deli is unlikely to be a Satanist. I think this is what you're saying, not that all Jews are Satanists.

God is real. God is you.

God is everyone and everything.

All is one and one is all

I like your analogy. Yes. But God is in everything. God is the word. God is information. Thought. Consciousness. Absence of duality. Oneness. He works through the laws we see in calculus and physics. God is outside of this dimension. He is timeless. We are "built in his image" because we are "Him" but we are living in this three dimensional world bounded by time.

There are many things in this world that we can't explain. Tptb are obviously heavily into the occult, so it's not hard to believe that "religion" itself was a psy op to control the minds. Good post

The fact that so many people have figured this out, many of them seemingly at once, and all come to the exact same conclusion, is awesome. It means there's something real, and something really happening. It gives me great hope.

Which God, Lao-zi or Confucius ?

Neither said that they were God?

I was a lifelong atheist who fell into this rabbit hole and finally had to ask myself a question:

Why is there overwhelming evidence that the elite are worshiping something meta-physical and apparently evil? Bohemian Grove, Epstein's pagan temple, pedo rape, false flags and the following wars.

And then I went looking for the answer. I went looking for evil. And I found it. I met the devil that these people worship (actually two of them). These people, and the things they worship, are pure fucking evil. One of the devils showed me the hell that awaits for them.

But in the process, I found god, heaven, and the meaning of life. It's not a guy in the clouds, god is the interconnection of everything, all matter, energy, people, and thought. You'll see a lot of people on this thread have come to the same conclusion. I'll make another post about the meaning of life.

Speaking of people coming to the same conclusion, when I hear David Icke talk about reptilians, or Alex Jones talk about psychic vampires and interdimensional aliens, or a priest talk about angels and demons, or Archons, I get it. These are all imperfect ways of describing the same meta-physical/interdimensional entities.

I wish this post was stickied, permanently, or at least upvoted to the front. This is the biggest and most important red pill on our journey down the rabbit hole. It tells us why everything is happening and gives an idea what comes next. It requires you to accept the limitations of your mind and to kill your ego, to admit you are likely wrong about everything you know, and to go looking for the truth, with no preconceived notions or restraints. When you do this, you discover everything. Oh, and then remember to ground yourself, you still need to eat and breathe and stuff, as mundane as it seems.

TLDR God and the devil are real, go find them yourself to find the truth.

Religion is a control mechanism.

Religion wastes your time.

"God" is an easy way to explain something you don't yet understand. It implies impatience & intellectual laziness.

Posting this rubbish has taken everyone here's time away from something constructive.

Hopefully OP is not talking about the Jewish old testament God.

Where is your god? What has it done?

The easier question is where is the devil, and what has it done?

Turn on the news and look at the Syrian kid covered in rubble and blood, so that some banking royalty in Europe could buy energy from Qatar a few cents cheaper than buying it from Russia. Just greed?

Then look at all the robed kid fuckers at Bohemian Grove dancing around a giant owl. That's not just for fun.

If your god does not demonstrate its presence, then whether it exists or not is immaterial - it has no affect on me, you or anything else in the universe

God's not a man in the clouds, God generally leaves the world to free will. The devil(s) are more hands on, hence why the world sucks.

But putting that aside, if people believe there is an afterlife, their behavior in this world will be different. So just believing there's a judge sitting over you, doing nothing for now, but doing something later, can have material effects on this world.

Meta physical entities, psychic vampires, interdimensional beings, angels and demos, the demiurge, Archons, take your pick. People use different terms. I like the Archon model, but angels and demons works too.