Humans cannot travel through the Van Allen Belts.

No worries, today you learned. I have my opinions, and if we are basing it off "science", this is something they cannot actually explain. You have people saying: "They were there for just a short period of time". But, I do not buy it. Is it possible for machines? Maybe, but look what radiation does to the robots at Fukushima. So, based on that. I'm going to say we have not sent anyone/thing beyond low Earth Orbit, and even LEO I contest...

The period of time was around six hours total, three hours to the moon and around 3 hours back. Only going through the thinnest parts of the Van Allen Radiation belt. Here's a six minute video that explains it, however it might be too much science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNiscigIgBc

and if we are basing it off "science", this is something they cannot actually explain

Why do you disagree with the dosimeter readings from each of the missions? What data do you have to contradict the readings they provided as well as the calculations made to determine potential rad dosages for the missions?

They did the experiments, they delivered the data, they interpret the results. You choose to trust them, I do not.

They did the experiments, they delivered the data, they interpret the results. You choose to trust them, I do not.

I choose to trust the side with actual evidence and data rather than the one with wild speculation.

I don't have any data to support my opinion, but neither do you.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s2ch3.htm

Here is the information without any 3rd party analysis. What leads you to suspect that the instrumentation was faulty or that the data that was returned was inaccurate? Furthermore, what evidence do you have to support your claims?

I'm not claiming or speculating here.

And anctually there is not data there, the only thing that comes close is one table of "skin dose average" over the whole trip. For all the fancy instrumentation they display, they do not show one single pre-analysis data point.

And actually there is not data there, the only thing that comes close is one table of "skin dose average" over the whole trip. For all the fancy instrumentation they display, they do not show one single pre-analysis data point.

There are plenty, you just are relying on other people to do your research for you:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/WOTM/WOTM-Radiation.html

Oh yeah sorry I'm intellectually lazy, I just read the whole page that you originally linked to rather than clicking each link.

I provided the first link because it shows the data pretty simply in the table of overall dosages for the flights, the second link is more interesting for sure because you can actually read/listen to the transcripts to see how they match up with the data.

Nothing in school.taught me about it. I've had to look up plenty of things to teach myself don't worry about having to Google something

Google something

It changed my life.

Based on what information?

Feels.

So your saying no one can travel outside of our magnetosphere? What if they launched themselves through the rotational, or magnetic axis? That seems to be the point of least resistance.

Also, If we couldnt pass through it, than why doesn't effect the rotation of the Moon around the Earth?

What if they launched themselves through the rotational, or magnetic axis

That's actually exactly what they did:

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/pics/doserate1.gif

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/pics/doserate2.gif

All of it.

http://www.blakertv.com/copy-of-mindfields-vol-xvii

Watch the video on that page as well (click the image of Kubrick to play the vid).

I defer to Richard Hoagland's utterances on the subject, beginning with his article who mourns for Apollo.

It is well known that Hoagland's pot is badly cracked, and putting stock in his words is useless.

He also claims there are ancient structures on the moon and mars which is even more fantastical. Possible but entirely unproven.

https://imgur.com/a/mg2xI

Can you prove any of those pictures are from Mars?

The question is, can NASA.

Than you've lost me. You posted a thread of pictures in response to me saying Hoagland is a touch loopy.

I posted a thread of pictures in response to you saying that the idea that there exists ancient structures and artifacts on the moon and mars to be fantastical and unlikely to prove. I think there is more than enough visual evidence in the photos to indicate the presence of structures that officially shouldn't exist. Show some of the unmarked pics to someone and tell them they are photos of earth somewhere, and ask them if what they are looking at is natural or artificial.

Apart from a few Russian lunar probe photos from the 70's and a photo of the earth pyramid in Bosnia, all of the other photos are enlargements of NASA stock pictures. I have only personally gone to the trouble of verifying a few of the anomalies with links to NASA or JPL, but those checked out and I have currently no reason to think that any of the photos that don't have a source file name linked in the picture to be fabricated, if I become aware of any hoax photos I'll remove them.

Ok I get you. My stance is that I do not believe the Mars Rover is anywhere near Mars. I can also post links but it would be easy to google. The fact that you have faith in NASA just doesnt jive for me personally but i do agree that IF those pictures are real they are intriguing but we wokt agree on much else. But we can disagree without being knobs I hope!

First time I've ever been accused of having faith in Never A Straight Answer. Currently I think the available evidence supports the assertions of guys like Hoagland and David Wilcock, but I'm prepared to revise that estimation as new information is revealed.

Thats what I am finding curious. You are saying you dont have faith in NASA but use thier imagery to support your belief in Hoagland and Wilcox's claims?

So the secret space program is your cup of tea?

Not especially, not enough evidence confirming its existence, though there is enough anecdotal reports to warrant inquiry.

What's your deal? Flat earther?

Obviously the government cannot be trusted to tell the truth, but they do as much as admit to doing secret stuff in space, leaving questions about the exact nature of what they are doing open to conjecture.

Belief is not part of my thought processes, it implies that ones mind is made up and resistant to change. If evidence indicated the flat earth theory was correct I would have no problem saying so, but it does not.

Nope, I am an ex SIGINT Analyst who's first operational deployment was in Iraq. Considering the types of collection we were running, and the absolute lack of evidence of WMD, made me leave after 8 years service. The problem that it then opened the door to 9/11, Sandy Hook, Jesuits etc etc. Almost over night everything that I thought I had spent years working towards were lies.

Respect ✊️.

I dunno... but when I think of faking the moon landing my thought process always follows this line of reasoning...

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Moon Landing

my thought process always follows this line of reasoning

Which would be appropriate if examining the motivations behind actions undertaken by non-human entities, like a robot for example. But when this reasoning is applied to examine human motivations it falls apart because we make convoluted and emotional decisions, not just pure logical ones.

Shhhh... no one is supposed to know that I'm a robot.

Watch any film of any astronaut walking on the moon. Look at the dust at his feet, as he walks. It falls at 1/6 the rate that you'd see on Earth. It is not possible to fake that.

Also, they left a big mirror up there. Get out your telescope at look at it. It's there.

Not against moon landing but two counters.

It wouldn't be too difficult to fake the dust: run the camera at 6x speed. Choreograph all movements accordingly.

Second, the mirror cannot be observed by any telescope you our i could afford here on earth. The mirror could have been brought later on subsiquent trips.

I think there is a gray area where we may have made it there and back at times, but faked the parts of it to cover up fuck ups or shortcomings, or straight up lies. Too many black and white theories saying either we did all of it or none of it. Very possible it's a weird mix of the two.

I was going to share a youtube video I saved but it got deleted. I'm 99% positive that Stanley Kubrick filmed the first moon landing. I don't believe that we really went to the moon. The Russians were more advanced than us technology and they, nor any other country with a space program, has went to the moon. And the USA supposedly went multiple times?

Kubrick was in DEEP

This video?

It is theoretically possible to avoid Van Allen radiation by exiting the atmosphere at one of the poles. The Apollo missions did not bother to do this.

In the 60s not many people had seen a computer. Now most people understand the computer used for landing the module would be about as powerful as an 80s pocket calculator.

Neil Armstrong can be seen test piloting a lunar lander on earth in a video. The lander goes wildly out of control and he parachutes to safety as it crashes and burns. The lander was never successful in a test- yet NASA saw fit to send it to the moon?

After taking off from the moon, the lander rendezvoused with the orbiting module. How exactly was that achieved with 60s technology? The chances of missing each other by possibly thousands of miles seem pretty high.

NASA has erased all of the telemetry data from the moon flights. This data represents (supposedly) the apex of human achievement. Could NASA be that careless? Did they WANT to lose that "data"?

Ralph Rene's book "NASA Mooned America" is well worth a read.

Just watch this hilarious video. Would you be acting like this if you really walked on the moon?

No worries, today you learned. I have my opinions, and if we are basing it off "science", this is something they cannot actually explain. You have people saying: "They were there for just a short period of time". But, I do not buy it. Is it possible for machines? Maybe, but look what radiation does to the robots at Fukushima. So, based on that. I'm going to say we have not sent anyone/thing beyond low Earth Orbit, and even LEO I contest...

Based on what information?

So your saying no one can travel outside of our magnetosphere? What if they launched themselves through the rotational, or magnetic axis? That seems to be the point of least resistance.

Also, If we couldnt pass through it, than why doesn't effect the rotation of the Moon around the Earth?

Nothing in school.taught me about it. I've had to look up plenty of things to teach myself don't worry about having to Google something