What's with you and the timeline?

What are you doing in another timeline?

Everything I'm not doing in this one.

Expanded awareness of the self. The probable and parallel yous, and other lives. It's more than possible. Don't take yourself for granted, y o ur existence is more than possible, and more than one. Billions.

And in those billions there are billions more and on. Each one in their own timeframe. It's actually hard to grasp and most will deny their own magnitude , buts that's because we have a selective perception and only have our attention on one thing at a time, usually. So we are patterned to perceive only one, sometimes two things at once. Perceiving a billion things at once would not work in thins reality. So we don't perceive billions, but one.

The awareness of these other you's does bleed through at times though. Or cross paths. Daydreams sometimes take you into another timeline, for example.

But yea, I think about this all the time ,also.

Here's what I came up with that broke my brain at one point. If you believe in infinite possibilities and universes then it's almost guaranteed that one of these time lines at some point will invent a time machine. If you accept that then as soon as a time machine is invented time becomes irrelevant because you have infinite universes multiplied by infinite options and chances to modify your own universes time line. So at that point you have infinite squared. (I wasn't even high when I thought this up but it TOTALLY broke my brain)

May you live in interesting times.

Completely agree. Sometimes you have to wade through the shitposts. But what a time to be a conspiracy theorist haha

refreshes

I've been checking this every hour for a few days since I heard about the giant exercise. I'm sure it will die down a little bit if nothing happens tomorrow. Though if something does happen, this subs numbers are gonna sky rocket!

I relate to this comment more than I can describe 😂

Can we stop calling ourselves the name the enemy Gave us we are truthers or critical thinkers not conspiracy theorists.

I'm trending myself towards the FBI verbiage in the Vince Foster release... "Conspiratorial Theory" is my new go to... which turns up some really oddly specific suggestions at the bottom of Google results.

I hear that 4chan guy is famous.

Why not co opt what the enemy called us my nigga?

Hell yeah, I like the way you think

Haaa, mah theorist.

To be fair, this is /r/conspiracy, not /r/criticalthinking

But they both go both go hand in hand.

I'm going with truthseeker. Dorky, but the shoe fits.

If you call yourself a truther it really sounds like your calling yourself an idiot. It makes the implication that others are not believers in the truth witch is silly. and it will immediately be combined with the birther movement aka a bunch of racists couldn't believe a black man was born in America. Critical thinkers is to vague and seems like an intentional attempted to confuse people here with academia.

Conspiracy theorist really has lost its bite in the last decade it's pretty much just a description now

What?

Happy Timelining!

Yeah bro that middle ages reddit was awful.

Hey, I liked middle aged reddit best so far. It was big enough to be interesting, but not so big it attracted the major manipulators.

This sub is the reason why I'm addicted to reddit now

Hilarious. Life is good.

I've been here every day since January 2009. Now I pretty much know everything.

That is awesome! I enjoy this sub because it's hard to meet others in person that are actually knowledgeable or care.

Could you share a summary of what you think the big picture is? I've been here for maybe a year I guess, and while I have a a tentative grasp on the overall agenda, I always enjoy hearing people's take on it.

I've found that unless people come to it on their own, slowly, through months of research, they are almost certain to reject the big picture view, so there is little value in explaining it. It makes people angry and they often then lash out at me, the messenger.

What's incredible to me is that we can witness and identify conspiracies happening in real time now.

I remember when the conspiracy community was pretty much relegated to talking about previous events, often decades old. It was one of the only ways to study them because the compilation of evidence was quantifiably high enough to dissect. But more information is becoming available faster than ever before. This, coupled with strong empirical evidence of known past conspiracies, makes it easier to see shit hitting the fan.

It's like a veil being lifted. What a time indeed.

It was all TV documentaries, on rerun, made years ago. I remember.

The internet aided their conspiracies, but ultimately it is preventing them from furthering their agendas. Or at least it is, now, allowing us to view, in real time, the conspiracies we cannot stop.

The internet is a double edged sword. It allow us to see the leaks coming from the elites but it is also behind used by the elites for mass surveillance and disinformation. This is why "fake news" is so pivotal. Internet giants and MSM are pouring money into controlling the narrative, anything they disagree with is labeled fake and auto ad blocked. I have no idea where this is all going, but it sure is amazing to watch.

Honestly my best guess as to where it's going would be Armageddon. Get right with God and the rest will follow for you and your loved ones. Peace

implying god is real

Depends on your perspective. I used to be atheist, but after a few spiritual experiences and coming to understand the philosophies behind a few eastern religions I have come to the point where I'd say that yeah I believe in God. Now my idea of God would probably be considered abstract and far from the traditional judeo-christian version of the patriarchal/"made in the image of Man" version of God. The way I see God is everything. The universe. You, me, anything. Brahman. We are as much the universe as the universe is us. Come to a living understanding and acceptance of yourself with yourself and you come to that same acceptance with God. There's no need to attach any "woo-woo" to it, just be cool with it all. You are part of the flow to go with.

Just a lil nitpicking point to make. We are actually made in God's image in Christian ideology, not the other way round. But yes, thank you for your response, I appreciate it. Everyone has a different starting point and no one on the internet can prove one wat or another. Eventually one just has to accept that the mysteries of life are mysteries for a reason--they're often much bigger than our comprehension can touch on.

Nice picking up on that! ;) I did that on purpose. Yeah I know that's how it's said in the bible, but remember the bible was written by people. And I firmly believe from my own research that in the 2000 years the bible has been around it has had parts omitted, rewritten, added in etc. The Vatican are behind this as a method of controlling the population. The idea of God in the bible/torah/qu'ran is a bastardisation of what "God" is. Men wrote these books and men fashioned these pseudo concepts of God in the image of man and wrote it the other way round, out of either ignorance or arrogance likely. Many eastern religions don't even have a word for that concept of God, since it doesn't make sense. If God is infinite, why would he be finite? Everything is made in the image of God. Men, animals, trees, air, fire, galaxies. Everything. It all exists, so it's all God.

What do you mean god is infinite?

I think you may have misunderstood. When I say "God" first erase the idea of the guy with a beard out your mind. God is just a word or sound for now until I explain myself. Now when we think of the universe we usually think of space: stars, galaxies and planets. And we think of us as individuals within and yet separate from the universe. As observers to it. Generally speaking of course! When in actuality we are the universe itself, just taking form in the shape of us to experience existence from this limited and unique perspective. We are not separate from the universe, as we are made of the same stuff. Atoms, Planck spheres (shout out /r/holofractal), just vibrating at a frequency to exist in this small spectrum that everything else we see vibrates at that we call reality. When we die we will be as we are before birth. The universe again.
Now my idea of God is that God is everything. The universe. If you could somehow encompass everything that ever has, ever is, ever will be, ever could be, and even ever couldn't be - just everything - then that is God. From the beginning of time to the end (that is if you don't believe the universe is infinite in time and space... I do). That makes us God too. For example take a tree. Where does the tree end and the rest of the world begin? The tree is the trunk, the branches, roots, the leaves, the cycle of the leaves falling off in winter and returning in spring. The tree is as much the carbon dioxide it takes in as it is the oxygen it gives out. It's the soil it takes minerals and other nutrients from. The air that carries it's seeds, and the bee that pollinates it. Without one the other couldn't exist. Is the leaf just a leaf? Different to all the other ones and unique in its own way? Yes, from one perspective. But from another the leaf is tree, as without the roots, trunk, and branches the leaf wouldn't have anything to exist upon.
Everything is everything. It's all connected. I completely suppose, and personally reckon, that there are multiple - likely infinite - layers to existence, and that beings exist within these layers and to some beings it may appear that there are multiple "God" like beings. And that's valid, because there's an infinite number of perspectives for the universe to experience itself from. But ultimately, everything is God. Universe = one verse. "We are all one" and that that, eh? That's my interpretation of God.

It all comes from God, but is not all God per se. God is the Source. Other than that, all I can do is to encourage a less negative view of religious tradition and handed-down texts. You need a starting point, whether you like it or not. We've got what we've got to work with. Don't count it all out because some of it is obviously tampered with.

Oh yeah I understand. Sorry by the way if you read that as me being negative toward western religions. I meant not for that! I get that for loads of people the current idea of western religions is all they have to work with, and they make it work for them! That's great and I don't want to take that away, because if it makes you happy then that's what it means to be here :) and yeah you're right, putting eastern religions on a pedestal is falling for exactly the same thing I'm suggesting that western religions have done, as nothing is perfect. Just it's own interpretation. It's own understanding. I don't stick strictly to any religion myself, I've picked bits and pieces from everything I try to read, but most significantly Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity and apply philosophies I see as beneficial to my own life. Take a look, if you wouldn't mind, at a comment I replied to another guy who just asked me about my interpretation of God, I think you might find it interesting and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

I can't help but cringe when people get high of the idea of God.

If there is a God and toy accept it, shouldn't it be the same as accepting the air we breathe?

Just reminds me of dying soldiers high on morphine or oxygen tanks when a plane is crashing.

I can't help but think the majority of people use m use the high of religion when they are faced with death or remorse.

What do I know.

What is wrong with that? Spirituality is a great comfort to people who fear death. That has no bearing on its legitimacy.

Ooh I just saw this comment and wanted to say that at least for me going through spiritual/religious experiences - however you put it - actually helped me overcome my fear of death. But you are right, for many it's a useful tool help them along in regards to their fear of death. And I agree that doesn't take from its legitimacy, it simply only offers another way to look at it. Another perspective.

God is dead. — Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead. — God

In fact I'm a nonbeliever, but like the above for some reason.

I can tell you all about my spiritual experience in a sentence. Ever read Dune? That's it. Story of my life.

Ah dude, I haven't read it but I just read the synopsis on wiki and that seems right up my street! I'm a huge fan of multi-layered novels and science fiction.

True, nothing is wrong with it at all.

How Can Trump Nudes Be Real If God Isn't Real tho

Yep, and they are aware that information flows freely now. You can't make something disappear, you have to hide it with more information. The idea is to violate Occam's Razor and add a 'viral' component to your conspiracy. That way you control the mainstream and the "truther" narrative from the very beginning.

Think about the way in which The Democrats and The Republicans are different sides of the same coin. Same deal with the mainstream narrative and the conspiracy narrative. They know they can't get everyone to buy into the bullshit, so they create another narrative to go along with it.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe in conspiracies and things being under control. I'm just saying that a lot of the conspiracies out there are just as much a veil as the other narratives. They just need different sizes of veils because not all minds are shaped the same.

it's one of the most frustrating parts about pursuing the truth. it requires that you're constantly on guard for bullshit, never knowing all the facts or who to trust. They pepper their lies with truth, or dig decoy rabbit holes that lead to nothing... It's very tiresome. The burnout is real. But that gut feeling that compels you to discover what's real keeps you going.

Have you read anything Thomas Pynchon, Jorge Luis Borges, or Robert Anton Wilson/Robert Shea's "Illuminatus Trilogy" ?

They deal a lot with what truth is, and often talk about conspiracies. Borges is a good start as he mostly does short stories, but they're so dense with information.

For Pynchon I'd recommend "Crying of Lot 49" (his shortest, most people's favorite, but Pynchon did not like it too much) or "Bleeding Edge" (about the dotcom crash and 9/11).

The Illuminatus Trilogy is super long (1000+ pages), but is also not as literary dense -- the airport novel of these.

Anyway, I'd recommend checking out these authors for ideas about what truth can be.

thanks, I'll have to add these to my ever expanding to-read list!

A friend loaned me Bleeding Edge (without spoiler), then I started to read and almost gave up after 20 pages due to the style of writing (like reading an autistic who can't form coherent sentences) and the rather boring background. But then...it got very good. 10/10 would recommend re 9/11.

Do you know of the internet phrase "Eternal September" ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

The implied twist of the phase to describe post-9/11 America and "the new normal" is absolutely brilliant.

The one thing I've been trying to find out about (and it's a hard thing to Google) is when he talks about spy boats appearing in the rivers around NYC, did that happen? It's very brief, but he basically says that right after 9/11, the CIA had mobile command-communicate-control stations disguised as civilian boats surrounding Manhattan. Makes sense they would do that, but had never heard it mentioned outside that book.

Didn't know that "Eternal September" thing (thanks!), but will never forget "Wake Me Up When September Ends".

As for the boats, if they were partof the cover-up, then I believe they were duped. They didn't really understand how they were being duped though. Otherwise, there would be too many "insiders" to contain.

I think it was saying the boats arrived like 9/12 or after, not 9/11. They were there to do massive dragnet datamining of NYC following the attacks.

You forgot Jesus Christ and Nietzsche. A big fan of Truth.

Once you have broken down your wall, set aside your ego and are able to fully assess a situation objectively, its a very liberating feeling. Scary feeling, but also very liberating.

If you're relying on your gut instead of objective analysis to determine the truth you're not some hero, you're an idiot.

that's not what i said at all. I meant that there's an inner drive to know the truth, and it keeps you going despite the inherent uncertainty and turmoil of conflicting information.

Most conspiracies are made up by the government to throw us of the scent.

Yeah, like the JFK assassination.The government has admitted it suppressed and/or deleted evidence in the "official report."

I think (hope) that perhaps a critical mass of people became "woke" to "those who are waging an economic war upon us" during the 2016 election cycle. I don't think that were ever going back to a 2015 level of trust in our government and MSM.

Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

Silly, you are the second coming. Only lack of faith keeps us from realizing it.

We're on the forefront. True pioneers.

It's like a veil being lifted. What a time indeed.

Apocalypse is a Greek word that means "unveiling."

For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

It's come roaring back with a vengeance since the Russian horde thinned out.

Really? Is it true? Coz I've been avoiding the fuck out of this place due to the ridiculous, transparent Trump shillery. What actually changed? I mean, I thought the mods were basically, predominantly Trumpets.

As headdesk-inducing as it is, it's probably 60% legit preference and 40% Russian salary-collectors. So, still happening, but project yourself back to say September '16 and visualize the front page. HUGE difference.

Conspiracy theorists in general tend to lean libertarian.

So, apologies for my ignorance, but what happened during the last few months?

There have been conspiracy theories surrounding the Clintons forever. Bill was already president, of course. Every president racks up conspiracy theories. There was so much Clinton conspiracy material going into this election - endless really.

Trump on the other hand had not been part of any conspiracy theories up until the election. Frankly, there wasn't much dirt known about him. He wasn't a popular conspiracy topic.

That's a big reason why I think Clinton had it so much harder around this sub than Trump.

Agreed, back a few years ago I'd check this sub like 2 or 3 times a week. Since PG started blowing up I've been checking here 2 or 3 times a day and I love it!!! Kinda makes me more anxious though but I feel it's worth knowing the truth or what may become one.

I agree but lately I feel that I am oversaturated with information and have no way of knowing what is truth. Unless I am there to observe the event, I have no idea what really happened and who to trust. Everyone seems to have an agenda or put a spin on everything. I have no reliable news sources. I also feel like everything is us vs them (Dems/Repub) lately. I start to agree with a post and then realize it's supporting Trump or Anti-Trump. I don't care, just give me the real evidence about the conspiracy. This is how the conversation is going with people I talk to about politics/conspiracies lately. I haven't always felt this way and ever since I realized 9/11 had way too many unanswered questions I search for the truth and demand the truth.

This post is obviously fake newz

Would you say it has "alternative facts" or "truthiness"?

Yes

I think we made it through the other side of the politics man. Well, mostly. Once again, the game continues.

Bacon's back on the menu boys.

Political conspiracies are fine but damn did I get sick of all the comments basically calling the other side shills. We couldn't even discuss anything civilly. That being said, at least we had both sides in here, unlike all the echo-chamber subs.

Tbf, there was a great deal of shilling. I have an extremely hard time believing anyone was a fan of Clinton that spends a great deal of time on this sub, and subscribes to the things that we do here. There can be no doubt the majority of those were paid forum manipulators. Not to mention, we had actual evidence that there was a team doing exactly that. And look around, they are mostly gone now.

Trump also had Cambridge Analytica. I am not exactly how sure how well organized or effective they were though. I remember reading something that made me think the project didn't pan out that well, but that could easily have been misinformation. But we see most of the super protrump users are gone as well. Many of the natives that were explicitly protrump have kind of walked that stance back as more information about him has become available.

But yeah, all the constant fighting was a huge waste of time and very frustrating. I am glad it is more or less back to normal. This happens to some extent every political cycle though. We have been surviving it for like 6 years now =)

I feel like theres some thing very authentic about this sub.

regardless of fact or fiction no one is talking about the conspiracy narrative here

Huh?

when conspiracy was taken over, it basically meant that counter culture was now controlled. its still moving in that same narrative direction after the majority of shills have left

what?

True say! And when you figure out about the flat earth it's a whole other mind fuck in itself. Stay woke people.

I'm still waiting, maybe tomorrow....

im seriously going to be dissapointed if nothing happens on the 26th

but if something happens that could be very bad for your well being

I mean... I live in New Zealand, so i'm pretty save compared to alot of other countries

I completely agree. I've only been a part of this sub for about a week and I now spend most of my time here. I was an extremely active commenter in the r/xboxone sub I posted a few threads on the xb1 sub and to be honest they are very negative and have an extreme elitist POV.

I've posted twice in r/conspiracy and of my post karma comes from this extremely supportive and intelligent community. The fearlessness here is almost tangible, I know if I post here I won't be bombarded with negativity and baseless opinions. It's not about the karma points, it's about putting your thoughts out there and having them met with genuinity, facts, and well thought out and strongly supported theories.

I love learning and arming myself with facts and strongly supported opinions.

This is more of a thank you comment then anything else. Really guys and gals, thank you thank you.

Honestly, I'd prefer no conspiracies, no greed, lying, corruption.. Just what's best for man kind with no hidden agendas.

In r/conspiracy? No, some shills are psychopaths. We need to crush those motherfuckers out of existence. Logic and love does the trick.

What event made you be part of the community?

To me it all started with #GamerGate, then Brexit and finally Trump.

A GGer that wants Trumps cock in their mouth? Color me shocked.

After the Trump worship and shilling started to die down, I agree, this place is nice again.

It's a hive and nobody is hive-minded!

I love the fact this sub is where the shills from both sides come to do battle and the regulars just sit back and call them on their shillnanigans.

I love arguments... Fight me!

Pizza gate - never forget

This is why there are certain nefarious people who would like to shut this free discourse and exchange of ideas down. We can't let them stop this. This is what will expose them, inform the clueless, and hopefully wake enough people up to get rid of the few psychopathic assholes who want nothing more than to enslave or kill most of us.

But only if you keep a neutral position and don't become a fanatic.

Sounds boring as fuck. Fanaticism and logic are not mutually exclusive!

You obviously weren't here for the great election conspiracy then or you'd be on #VOAT.COM

Every bit of truth was overrun and deleted. This is a CIA PRE APPROVED CONSPIRACY SITE. TAKE EVERYTHING HERE WITH HIGH SUSPICIONS. JUST ASK THE #PIZZAGATE THREAD. OH THAT'S RIGHT. REDDIT DELETED THAT TOO!

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AMEN!

the best thing about conspiracies is all you need is hearsay and no sources.

Apparently that's all you need to attack other countries for chemical attacks.

ever since trumps "military tweet" on syria and the #trusttrump BS coming out of that sub ive come here to see whats new in the world. i think the votes are totally suppressed. how can we have 3k online, 450k subscribers and just a few hundred upvotes per link?

The best subreddits to be on would be the private subreddits CTR/shareblue/Cambridge Analytica/etc use to coordinate their shilling efforts.

The more I figure out, the more bleak the future looks

Nice picking up on that! ;) I did that on purpose. Yeah I know that's how it's said in the bible, but remember the bible was written by people. And I firmly believe from my own research that in the 2000 years the bible has been around it has had parts omitted, rewritten, added in etc. The Vatican are behind this as a method of controlling the population. The idea of God in the bible/torah/qu'ran is a bastardisation of what "God" is. Men wrote these books and men fashioned these pseudo concepts of God in the image of man and wrote it the other way round, out of either ignorance or arrogance likely. Many eastern religions don't even have a word for that concept of God, since it doesn't make sense. If God is infinite, why would he be finite? Everything is made in the image of God. Men, animals, trees, air, fire, galaxies. Everything. It all exists, so it's all God.

I can't help but cringe when people get high of the idea of God.

If there is a God and toy accept it, shouldn't it be the same as accepting the air we breathe?

Just reminds me of dying soldiers high on morphine or oxygen tanks when a plane is crashing.

I can't help but think the majority of people use m use the high of religion when they are faced with death or remorse.

What do I know.