I think it's kind of neat that those "ancient maps" all follow a similar design.

To be honest, I don't care what shape the Earth is. So long as I can still have a proper gyro, the planet can look like a Q-Bert level.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2016/12/05/vigil-remembers-1931-salisbury-lynching/94978320/

In 1931 black men were dragged out of buildings and hung by lynch mobs. This is not the society ones should use when discussing scientifically intelligent moments in human history.

Congratulations on attempting to deflect by changing the subject.

Earth is flat bros

Ahh yes, using primitive technology to base your beliefs upon. I'm so glad that in this day and age, when we can send thoughts around the globe in an instant, we're relying on outdated "tech". /s

You do realize that the ancients have given you the time, right? http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/sumerians-looked-heavens-they-invented-system-time-and-we-still-use-it-today-007341.. Lmao.. You're "primitive" in comparison to them.... Modern men, so arrogant and daft...

Daft is when you blatantly believe an ignorant notion, even when there's enough proof staring you back in the face. But ok.

So you? Look at the link, look in the mirror, and think real hard about what you said ;)

Always delivering the fatality, man. Bravo. :P

I drop mics left and right :). Just how I do... Doctors hate me for it...

Keep it up, we need more of it.

Will do, and thanks for noticing. 👍

Show me proof that the world is flat. I'll wait.

I never said it was?

Then your previous comment is pointless.

So you? Look at the link, look in the mirror, and think real hard about what you said ;)

By your response, it would imply that you do.

Did you just have a seizure?

I think I did. This ridiculous post and subsequent conversation brought it on.

You should get that checked out, bruh?

Got anything of actual substance to add to the conversation?

Not sure I can add any "substance" for you. You already believe the earth is flat, so.... good luck with that.

I said I was on the fence, but I see all I am going to get from you is doubletalk and psychobabble

If it helps, I've got your back.

In the same way we have zealous Christians/Muslims/Jews, we have zealous textbook warriors as well. You can't please people who are so set in their beliefs.

Being on the fence is the best way to approach any conspiracy. It allows you to have no biases and to be more humble.

Being on what fence. The only fencepost he's sitting on is that the earth is flat. Everyone who's pointed out that it's not right has received a hostile response and been accused of "doublespeak".

I'll agree that being on the fence about most conspiracies is the way to be, but something this idiotic needs to be called out.

If I remember correctly in the original post, he was bringing up an argument for discussion, and that he stated that he was on the fence about globe earth and flat earth beliefs.

-shrug-

Yes, and then he accused anyone who questioned the flat earth theory of engaging in "doublespeak" etc.

He has no intention of looking at both sides of the argument. He even admitted he knows very little about the "flat earth theory" and doesn't feel the need to actually test it in any way.

In other words, OP was lying about being on the fence.

Most of the hostility I see is from people hurling insults at the people questioning the shape of the earth. It's a sad day and age when people wanting to do real science with an open mind are pilloried by those indoctrinated with dogmatic groupthink, treating the government-approved science as a religion or cult. If we don't correct this, we are headed for the dark ages.

As anyone who frequents r/conspiracy should know: question everything, even the most simple of the narratives. Question the so-called authorities, especially the space agencies. When they say the earth is a sphere, you should not only consider the statement false, but assume the opposite- if NASA says the earth is a sphere, the earth is probably flat.

It's a sad day and age when people wanting to do real science with an open mind

I was speaking in generalities about the science of today and its cult followers, and the way it treats those who question its gospels. Truth is at first ridiculed by the masses (the same masses who currently worship the saints and dogma of science). Then the truth is violently opposed. If the earth is flat and the truth is coming out, we're seeing a mix of both of these reactions by the majority of people. Just look at threads like these. Then it accepted.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Can you show me where I'm using "doubletalk and psychobabble"?

Get the feeling that is more likely your fall back argument when you don't know what you're talking about....

Internet. Is connected by underwater cables. Look it up not by satellites.

Everything they say satellites can do can actually be done by planes, cables and towers.

Even balloons

Would you call Nikola Tesla primitive?

Sunrise and sunset can be predicted based upon your position on the globe and the date. Likewise, you can triangulate your position on the globe with a bearings and azimuth to stars and the time of observation. These things would not be possible on a flat earth. The world we live in/on is strange enough to be interesting without such inane assertions.

Are any of you "globe earthers" capable of having a conversation without hurling insults? No? Didn't think so.

can your flat earth theory explain the predictability of celestial positions based upon position on a 2d plane?

Suddenly it's MY flat earth theory.

You're like talking to a wall.

//facepalm

dude - replace "your" with "the", wipe the tears away, and try to answer the question. I am trying to be a sport here. I don't have a problem with you, Muse. As a person who is practiced in navigating on the globe, I do have a problem with FE. As other people have noted in this and similar threads, it seems like a nasty disinfo which essentially discredits all knowledge, which is inherently dangerous to our cause of seeking truth.

I have been to 36 states and 9 countries and you can't even see the curve from a plane, so your point is moot

Muse, look at time lapse photography of the night sky... The stars swirl around Polaris (in the Northern Hemisphere) like this. Again, this would not happen on a Flat Earth. I have faith in your abilities to reason; I have upvoted you many a time on other topics... also ships disappear bottom first over the horizon. There is plenty of evidence. The scary thing about FE to me is how much you seem to have to ignore to believe.

Why would that not happen on a flat earth? The sky is real, what you observe out there is real, but incidentally what you observe could not happen in a heliocentric model, ie- warping through space at 600 million miles per hour, all the while spinning, orbiting sun, and orbiting galactic center, the stars should not be in a predictable swirl around Polaris, never deviating through millennia. There is a much simpler theory for the stars- they swirl above and we remain still.

As far as ships disappearing over the horizon, I blame that for this whole spinning ball theory mess, because that was the first time over 500 years ago that they said that we must be seeing curvature, after which they invented theories to further explain the problems of a spherical world. But now we have good consumer telescopes to bring those ships (bottom obscured by thousands of averaging waves) back into view, which would be impossible on a big ball, no?

hat you observe could not happen in a heliocentric model, ie- warping through space at 600 million miles per hour, all the while spinning, orbiting sun, and orbiting galactic center, the stars should not be in a predictable swirl around Polaris,

Why not? Show your work.

. But now we have good consumer telescopes to bring those ships (bottom obscured by thousands of averaging waves) back into view, which would be impossible on a big ball, no?

Proof?

But now we have good consumer telescopes to bring those ships (bottom obscured by thousands of averaging waves) back into view

But no one has ever filmed a video of a ship passing over the "horizon" and simply getting smaller and smaller until it can no longer be seen. It's always the same... the ship disappears from the bottom up while the top is still visible, until the top also drops below the horizon.

I've seen those videos which show the boat starting to vanish, but there are videos with s much greater zoom which show the same thing, which can then be zoomed further to see the whole ship again. The further out on water, the more waves will average to obscure the bottom. Far ships will always have their hull obscured partially. Salt flats are much better for viewing what definitely appears to be a flat earth.

The earth may indeed be round, but the drop of 8 inches squared per mile of curvature that science preaches is wildly wrong, if there is curvature at all, meaning the earth is much, much bigger than science says. Objects which should be thousands of feet below the line of sight are seen completely at distances of 60 plus miles, like the Statue of Liberty or other such objects. Whoever started this conspiracy so many decades ago could not have predicted the kind of telescopes and camera zooms readily available to the public today.

the geometry is why it could not happen on a flat earth. If the earth were flat, the path of the stars would be straight lines instead of arcs. The height of eye is the limiting factor for sight. this is why you can see further from a higher location. Lookouts on Navy ships know the distance to the horizon because the distance is (relatively) constant from their point of view (height off of the waterline). This is calculated with relatively simple geometry/trigonometry. In this particular case, Google can be used for good. Nevermind that Google Earth exists, you can check the distance to the horizon from a particular height with the search engine. This is ancient knowledge. Trying to talk to FE people reminds me of that famous Lisa Loeb song (ack!!!)...

If the earth were flat, the path of the stars would be straight

That's an easy one: not if the stars rotate and the earth is motionless.

The height of eye is the limiting factor for sight.

Yes, but there is something called a vanishing point. If you stood on train tracks headed off into the distance, the two tracks would appear to point inward until disappearing at a point. Things get smaller and smaller as they go into the distance until not seen anymore. Interestingly, ships which have vanished, previously thought to have gone over the curvature, can be brought back into view with a telescope, which should be impossible on a big ball.

distance to the horizon

Why does the horizon always rise to eye level? If we're on a big ball, the horizon should always lower as you rise in altitude from a balloon going straight up, but that is never observed. Why is no curvature ever observed from these balloons when observed through a non-fisheye lense even at over 100,000 feet high?

waterline

Why do you think they call it "sea level" I wonder? Maybe because the level of the water is exactly as you would expect water to be: level, as in flat. water doesn't curve, and shouldn't adhere to a sphere, especially not a spinning one.

Google Earth exists

What do you mean by that? Google Earth takes its pictures and pieces them together. There are no whole pictures of the earth from Google Earth. Even NASA pieces its blue marble pictures together from these pictures, likely all taken by airplanes.

Google can be used for good

Sure, until an alphabet agency took it over (Ooo they even changed their name to Alphabet). I wonder what comes first the chicken or the egg: does an alphabet agency specifically start these things and then control them, or do they let them grow organically and then take them over? Either way it has nothing to do with flat earth theories, aside from information control by said agencies and propaganda and all that.

ancient knowledge

Which we should certainly respect. After all, most ancient civilizations knew the earth to be flat ;)

not if the stars rotate and the earth is motionless

if this was true (and the earth was flat) then the stars would make straight lines horizontally across the sky. This is obviously not the case.

Yes, but there is something called a vanishing point. If you stood on train tracks headed off into the distance, the two tracks would appear to point inward until disappearing at a point. Things get smaller and smaller as they go into the distance until not seen anymore. Interestingly, ships which have vanished, previously thought to have gone over the curvature, can be brought back into view with a telescope, which should be impossible on a big ball.

the vanishing point is a function of resolution which is just as real as the curvature of the earth. the distance to the horizon (assuming perfect resolution) is calculable in several different ways. If you are interested in disproving this, you should at least try to familiarize yourself with the ancient knowledge that you discredit. BTW, the ability to grasp geometry was how the original illuminati cults distinguished the worthy from the unworthy. Believe it or not, this same geometry has been expanded over the last three centuries through calculus and harnessed through engineering in order to add precision to our understanding and mastery of curvature.

What do you mean by that? Google Earth takes its pictures and pieces them together. There are no whole pictures of the earth from Google Earth. Even NASA pieces its blue marble pictures together from these pictures, likely all taken by airplanes.

If this was true, it would be a whole lot of flights. Using the refresh rate that we see on Google Earth, orbiting satellites make a lot more sense for gaining aerial footage of all of the earth. Beyond this, Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the globe (with 15% error) a couple of centuries before Jesus is supposed to have existed. Do you have an explanation for why we do not observe other flat realms from our flat planet? Geometry is real, homie... this is why Polaris is the same number of degrees off of the horizon as your number of degrees north latitude (assuming that you are in the Northern Hemisphere). Get a sextant and visit a buddy a few hundred miles to the north or south of you.... it changes based upon your position on the globe. You don't sound dumb or evil. I believe that you will at least check to see if what I am telling you is true (it is - we are all in this together). We will never escape Illuminati rule if we can't figure out the shape of our planet (and plan our agriculture, architecture, and engineering accordingly). Peace.

the stars would make straight lines

Admittedly, it takes a bit of imagination to entertain the idea of a flat earth and how it would work. You have to imagine a flat round disc with either a dome or another flat plane overhead, on or beyond which is either the illusion or hologram of the stars, either way not thousands of light years far. This dome, or at least the image on it, spins. When observed through consumer telescopes, stars and planets (from "wandering stars") do not appear as balls of gas, but pulsating colorful electricity, vibrating at different frequencies (the explanation is twinkle from the atmosphere, but doesn't explain the variance in shspe, color and vibrating movement of the stars). The appearance of disc or even spheres in the heavens doesn't prove the shape of the earth, just that those objects appear round.

Eratosthenes calculated the circumference

That is entirely dependent on a sun 93 million miles away. The shadow evidence is still applicsble to a flst earth, considering the earth may be local, and move around in a circle above the circle of the earth.

azimuth to Polaris

If Polaris is above the center of the earth but closeby, the further you move from the Arctic, the lower Polaris would appear in the sky.

illuminati cults distinguished the worthy from the unworthy

Maybe that's why they keep denying my application. Incidentally, if the globe earth is a true conspiracy, it would have to be a massive mother of all conspiracies, dating 500 years and involving not only the major nations of the world, but the secret societies which control these governments behind the scenes.

Geometry is real, homie

I'm not saying it's fake. Homie don't play that. It's just as real on a flat earth.

If this was true, it would be a whole lot of flights

The trillions of dollars TPTB have at thrir disposal is very real. The power of the secret societies is real. If this is a real conspiracy, they will go to great lengths yo keep up the deception. If the Illuminati is behind this, wouldn't they continue the deception at all costs? It would actually be easy for them flying back and forth, keeping the illusion of space agencies and satellites. Indoctrination and continuous brainwashing takes care of the rest.

I don't know if the earth is flat, hollow, concave, or a sphere much more massive than they say., but they are lying to us about something.

They are totally lying about tons of stuff... the shape of the earth we can know with reason... that is my point... I am more inclined to doubt the existence of atoms and subatomic particles than the shape of the earth - mostly because I have never had the opportunity to observe the former, yet I have the letter (admittedly mostly through the lens of reason and mathematics).

The moon landings were fake af. Just the same, humans have used reference points in the skies to track their position over land (or water). The history of navigation is highly interesting and valuable for understanding our concepts space and time. Believe it or not, it actually involved a lot of weird occult shit. Ultimately, the greatest revolution in navigation technology was probably the clock (one that can function normally on the seas)- this enabled men to nail down latitude (which was a key for crossing the oceans).

Wow u/passenger_pidgin look at it all a little longer.

Why is the earth flat but all the other celestial bodies round when viewed from the earth? Are you saying that all of those are flat and facing us? If they're spheres, why is only the earth flat?

The argument made by FE's is that these circular shaped planets are just holographic projections and tricks put out to perpetuate the round earth.

I'm not sure, but theories that they are merely projections on the "dome"

How does the "dome" make the stars appear to rotate in different directions in each hemisphere? How does it explain ships dipping below the horizon as they sail away? Why doesn't the sun appear significantly smaller from different places if it's merely something on 'dome'? Why doesn't the sun elongate from different angles as we would expect for something appearing on a 'dome'?

I'm not entirely sure about all of the specifics, I wasn't even interested until the shills started attacking people. Their tenacity made me think there was something to the theory. No reason to attack people and call them stupid if the FE theory is hokum. It seems like every other conspiracy is entertained in this sub except this one. Why is that?

This video might explain the sun and moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmoI5F8-lw

That would make the sun and moon significantly change in size over the course of the day, which they don't.

Actually, both change size in the sky during the day.

And I'm on the fence, but the attacks on people who even mention flat Earth make it more interesting than it would be if people just let us talk about it. Why care about what we believe? To the point you call people idiots and retarded, etc. The cognitive dissonance is mind-boggling.

Actually, both change size in the sky during the day.

Not by a significant enough amount for that visualization to make sense. You can verify this yourself.

I could if I wanted to go sit outside for several days and stare at the sun and moon. I'm not saying I believe the theory, the shills and attacks are what make it more interesting then it would be if people weren't freaking out about us entertaining the idea.

I posted this last night and within minutes about 6 users were attacking me and a couple of others. Nasty comments that go far beyond any other conspiracy here. Why is that? What is there to hide? How does it hurt us to wonder?

I could if I wanted to go sit outside for several days and stare at the sun and moon.

I hope you do! They're amazing to observe.

How does it hurt us to wonder?

It doesn't, but when nonsense is still believed contrary to any evidence and observation it actually makes for a troubling statement regarding the current state of society as well as the basic degree to which people are able to engage in critical thought and reach logical conclusions.

There are women and men marching in pink vagina hats and talking about needing "safe spaces" and this is your main concern for humanity?

and this is your main concern for humanity?

Where did I say that?

Regardless, I do consider ignorance to be something of increasing concern, yes.

Thank goodness we have you here to be the thought police

What? Discuss whatever you want, just don't be surprised when people call it out for being something that isn't supported by evidence or observation ...

Why should people be free to spread nonsense without being called out for it?

Why are you so triggered by it that you and your fellow cronies feel the need to verbally attack and question mental health? I didn't even say I believe it and I got attacked, all I did was post an interesting article from 1931, before NASA started controlling the narrative. There is never any excuse for being a total fucking dick to people, no matter how triggered you feel about it.

Why are you so triggered by it that you and your fellow cronies feel the need to verbally attack and question mental health?

Where did I question mental health?

I didn't even say I believe it and I got attacked, all I did was post an interesting article from 1931, before NASA started controlling the narrative. There is never any excuse for being a total fucking dick to people, no matter how triggered you feel about it.

How am I being a dick? I'm saying that it doesn't reflect reality, experimentation, observation or centuries of scientific analysis. NASA wasn't the one who declared the Earth to be round ...

Nope, it was the Jesuits

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/11/10/the-jesuits-owners-of-the-500-yr-old-flat-earth-con-piracy/

Aryabhata was a Jesuit? Do you have evidence for this claim?

Still researching that guy, I got sidetracked on this comment, although I don't trust that forum, it's full of psyop disinformation, the commenter raises interesting points

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=44g0i0nh68mu2evo7rumh0jng3&topic=67450.msg1804834#msg1804834

the commenter raises interesting points

Only if you agree that what they are saying is true and take it at face-value without doing your own research. They clearly haven't watched a full lunar eclipse where you can actually see the shadow of the Earth crossing the moon:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/observing-news/total-lunar-eclipse-09262014/

Furthermore, if there were some "other" object blocking out the light on the moon, then it would be visible to those on the other side of the Earth who would see it in front of the sun. We clearly don't see that happening.

Moreover, the image that the person uses to demonstrate what a lunar eclipse looks like, isn't a lunar eclipse at all, but rather a normal full moon rising over the Temple of Poseidon. The redness is due to atmospheric distortion, not an eclipse.

Difficult to trust somebody who makes so many basic errors to be honest.

They spray so many chemtrails and have since the 60s, how would people know what's in the sky?

They spray so many chemtrails and have since the 60s, how would people know what's in the sky?

Centuries of experimentation and observation all readily available to anybody who is willing to investigate?

How do you manage to do that WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE SKY??

You can totally see the sky, what do you mean? It's around us every passing day.

You must not spend much time looking at it. Everywhere I have lived in the past 20 years has been covered with chemtrails, they spray Nor Cal pretty much every single day. If the sky is blue, they make sure it's grey within a few hours. If you don't see it, try going outside.

I'm outside all the time, I'm a landscape photographer. While contrails are definitely an issue, they only appear on days when the conditions allow them to linger. In terms of California, contrails form frequently there due to the upper atmospheric humidity that frequently is present there.

You can check the current status here:

http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-php/showmap-conusupper.php?run=2017021900&var=RH&lev=300mb&hour=000

The problem is that airliners could actually curb the number of contrails in the air with only a 1% increase in operating costs, it's quite remarkable that this isn't a bigger issue:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/mar/23/changes-to-flight-path-could-reduce-aircraft-effect-on-climate

Harvard and some countries are now publicly admitting to geoengineering, so you're going to have to edit your script and stop referring to them as "contrails". As for the rest of your comments. I don't believe you for a second.

Nobody here is denying geoengineering, not sure where you got that from, please don't put incorrect words into my mouth.

edit your script and stop referring to them as "contrails"

Script?

As for the rest of your comments. I don't believe you for a second.

Why not? What do you disagree with in terms of the science behind the Appleman Chart and correlating it with upper atmospheric humidity charts?

Here's some recent picture of the stars on a clear night, as you can see, no contrails:

http://i.imgur.com/v9zqWag.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/w0zJzhP.jpg

Upper atmospheric conditions didn't allow them to form that night, but there were plenty of planes everywhere

One interesting note about Aryabhata is that the Indian church was "losing control of the sacrifice calendar" when he was working on his calculations

I could if I wanted to go sit outside for several days and stare at the sun and moon.

So why don't you?

I'm not saying I believe the theory, the shills and attacks are what make it more interesting then it would be if people weren't freaking out about us entertaining the idea.

You only call them shills because they disagree with your idea. But you admit to not be willing to put the effort in to prove your idea one way or the other.

Your behaviour is more shill-like than anyone else's. You've essentially admitted you do not care if the theory is true or not, you just like talking about it as if it was.

Nasty comments that go far beyond any other conspiracy here. Why is that?

Because many people here believe people like you are intentionally posting stuff they know is not true in order to make the whole sub and all its users look stupid. It's a defensive reaction to the "shills" they believe are promoting this bullshit "theory".

It seems like every other conspiracy is entertained in this sub except this one.

It seems that way because this is the one you're focused on. I have never seen a theory put forward on this sub that did not have its detractors.

The difference here is that the proof against the theory is so strong that most users here can tell you why it's wrong.

I appreciate the responses, but I really want a flat earther to explain it in their own words.

They are hiding something, which is why this topic gets shit on so much... What? No idea... Is it hollow, concave, flat, or expanding? No idea, but they do not want you to question. This is what I've gained from researching and being Devil's advocate on the topic....

I'm the same way, the vicious attacks aren't for nothing. If it was nothing, they wouldn't care so much.

Exactly. Which is funny. I know of two topics that get hit hard here. One I talk about heavily, Tri-Sovereign States and the Mandela Effect (I entertain). Everything else is Kosher as shit. 9/11? Kosher. JFK? Kosher. Aliens and big foot? Kosher as fuck. These topics? Holy fuck... Sweet baby inquisitions...

It's insane, and mention it and their spiders must alert them and they come in droves to attack

Yup. One thing I've learned is, questioning the sphere will bring you to many levels of different rabbit holes. One important one, being, occult/esoteric. I learned so much about Pythagoras and Thoth while entertaining the thought. I'm glad I entertained it. That shit is priceless.

You two are circlejerking each other. It should be clear from my history that I spend a lot of time in /new certain times of the week. Like maybe my work schedule.

But you too are convincing yourselves that you've touched on a "serious" topic and any one who disagrees has nefarious intents.

Sorry to bust your circlejerk, but I simply feel the need to call out bullshit when I see it. Furthermore, I'm convinced that the whole 'flat earth' bullshit is for nothing more than discrediting "conspiracy theories" as a whole. So good job. Continue to perpetuate it.

Do you get paid to?

Do you?

Nope. Your turn?

I do get paid... but not to sit in /new and argue idiotic topics... xD

What do you get paid to do?

Not comfortable providing that personal information, but I can assure you it's not to post on Reddit.

Can't you see? You're obviously a shill because you don't agree with them.

Everyone that doesn't agree with them is a shill because they have open minds and everyone else doesn't. You simply do not understand the theory they themselves can not explain.

You've been hoodwinked by lies while they have found the undeniable truth... and even though they can't prove it in any way, if you argue against them it's because you're a shill being paid to suppress the truth.

Already given you my upvote, but I enjoyed your comment enough I had to make a pointless one of my own expressing it.

9/11? Kosher

Bullshit. Some of the most vicious arguments I have seen are about 9/11 and what happened that day.

JFK? Kosher.

Only because those arguments are half a century old and everything that could be said has been said.

Aliens and big foot?

I've seen as much mockery of big foot as flat earth. The only difference is that at the moment the number of flat earth posts is exponentially higher than the big foot posts.

Yeah it's pretty insane that flat earth gets downvoted so hard on a subreddit for conspiracies.

It's not just the downvotes, it's the name calling. Meanwhile, chemtrail shills are getting 65+ upvotes on their comments. Insanity.

Some people believe in the ideas of the scientific method and evidence. Just because you don't doesn't make it 'insane'.

"Science" is a like a cult of religious zealots. Just saying "but the science" doesn't magically make you right, despite what mainstream media has brainwashed you to believe.

I didn't say science, I said the scientific method.

You're deflecting, you're not even following this conversation

I'm not deflecting, there's a substantial difference between the scientific method and 'science' as an institution.

Yeah, and I hear people throw around "peer reviewed" like that is some sort of magic event that suddenly makes a study accurate.

Also, this pretty much makes me suspicious of ANYTHING from the scientific community:

The Lancet, a prestigious medical journal, admits that at least half of the scientific data they have on record is falsified

http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(15)60696-1.pdf

Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime Editor in Chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ), which is considered to another one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, makes her view of the subject quite plain:

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/editors-in-chief-of-worlds-most-prestigious-medical-journals-much-of-the-scientific-literature-perhaps-half-may-simply-be-untrue-it-is-simply-no-longer-poss.html

Again, I'm talking about the scientific method, not the current corporate scientific process.

The scientific method is basically:

• ask a question
• research
• hypothesis
• experiment
• analysis
• conclusion

What do you disagree with there?

Why are you changing the subject to discuss the scientific method when it doesn't even fit into the flow of the conversation? You just threw it out there from left field

Because it's critical to analyzing these kinds of issues?

No, you are deflecting because you know flat earth theory does not come as a result of the scientific method, but as a result of religious belief.

You're not part of this conversation and you're ignoring when he changed the subject and started babbling about scientific method. I think the globe theory is a result of the "religious cult of science" and they just manufacture whatever supporting evidence they need and maliciously verbally abuse anyone who questions it.

This topic gets shit on so much because it's rubbish.

Why is it rubbish? Why do you care so much Rocky, if it is ;)?

Rubbish because it's contrary to evidence.

I care because people keep posting the same debunked stuff. You'd think people would learn, but no.

So this crap keeps flooding the /new queue, and if you downvote without commenting people cry "B-B-BUT MUH CONSPIRACY!, I'm being kept down by THE MAN!" So to combat that you have to go and tell the OP why they're being downvoted.

All in all, cleaning up /new isn't easy. But I do because I care <3

"evidence"

Which hemisphere are you in?

You provided no evidence on how it's rubbish, and I doubt you give one shit about the community here, Rocky. Might want to check who you are replying to...

If you're really a follower of me, you'd know I have cards up my sleeve.

For example, just prior to making this comment i've started a test to the OP via starmap argument. Just gotta find out which hemisphere he/she is in.

Rocky.... I'm a spider... I always watch. It's funny, now-a-days, you just run from me... You used to be so persistent.. Maybe, I'm just smarter and learned your ways ;).

Me? Running from you? That's rich: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/67sik5/couldnt_the_earth_actually_be_both_flat_and_a/dgta6q2/?context=3

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You never answered, why? You are afraid of me, because I know what/who you are. But, that to, would break rules ;)

Why what?

If you won't say it, why would I be afraid?

Answer me, then, Rocky? You ran.... I asked a question and you're MIA... Rocky... You know me, I know you. I know why you are still here... Which is why I'm still here...

Answer me, then, Rocky?

I just asked "why what?".

I asked a question and you're MIA

I asked you to prove your point in that C_S_T thread and you just legged it saying you don't have proof of a point you proved (facepalm).

Hello? You're MIA here.

Still here, still queer. Get use to it? Anyways, I'm still waiting, tea boi...

Address my previous comment pls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/68e7za/1931_popular_science_magazine_where_scientists/dgxtzzz/?context=3

Don't run away again :)

..umm: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/67sik5/couldnt_the_earth_actually_be_both_flat_and_a/dgta6q2/.. Who ran, and did not answer?

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I asked why you were so afraid to stick to the topic.

And you responded "huh?"

Is that REALLY your final response to my question?

A "huh?"

huh?

Yup. Asking you: "What?". Pretty common in English. Now, care to respond?

huh?

Badum, tiss... Rocky.. You should know better... G'night.. After your shift... ;). Lights out for me...

What?

Huh?

Exactly. When your nonsense is played back to you, you realise how bad it is and have nothing in response.

If it were as innocent a response as you claimed, you would've instead responded in kind and kept it going as though it weren't a total cop-out.

Very revealing.

lulz.

Aaand he's run again.

Well that's not creepy and stalkerish.

Why? Me and Mr. flint stone are in the NEW, we cross each other, all the time. You new here?

Nah, I've read your comments for a while now, (and actually agree with you on a lot of stuff), but this is just too far out there.

So you're the stalker?

Unfortunately I've seen your comments enough to know your name. Don't get your hopes up. Sorry. =\

Is it hollow, concave, flat, or expanding?

It's a convex sphere, educate yourself. Somehow you've avoided the numerous proofs presented to you and instead continue to spread your nonsense. Very transparent, sad!

Very transparent, sad!

You are, yes...

I'm not the one posting things they don't believe in then running away when called out on it. Very obvious, so telling, sad stuff!

You are sad.... sigh..

Keep spreading your nonsense while you have the evidence spoon-fed to you like a child and still somehow continue to spread your lies and taking pride in Hitler's actions, weak stuff, sad!

The one the hate is the geo centric model because it gives meaning to life and cannot be disproven.

No, it doesn't.

Even if the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it, that would give no more meaning to life than the earth being a sphere orbiting a minor star in an infinite universe.

You might want to think about that

Hiding God. The firmament is referenced in the bible. So is the 'circle' of the Earth. It hasn't been refuted to this day. That's unless you believe NASA.

And there it is ... the "proof of flat earth" can be found in a religious text that has time and again been proven to be wrong.

Um....and under what authority is it for you to say no one 'buys' it despite them saying they do?

I would say I do but the truth is I dont need to 'buy' into anything. Theres about a bajillion satellites in orbit and plenty of video evidence and astronaut testimony. Then theres the fact that you need only go to about 35,000 feet to see the curvature of the earth with your own two eyes. As for the map logos....how would you display all areas of a sphere on a 2D surface? That just seems like common sense.

Im open to the petri dish/advanced race concept but the earth being flat is just a preposterous notion at this point. And ask yourself this: what advantage does portraying the world as a sphere instead of a disk give to those who would describe it that way? Occams razor would be handy right about now...

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/11/10/the-jesuits-owners-of-the-500-yr-old-flat-earth-con-piracy/

Careful, anyone who disagrees with this notion gets attacked for not towing the line.

Considering Piccard describe high altitude air samples as "blue", I have my doubts as to the accuracy of his observations.

If you open a planes window at high altitude, will the cabin be flooded with a blue gas?

Why don't you go try it and report back

If high altitude air is blue, people on planes wouldn't be able to see land outside their windows due to this "blue gas" obscuring their view.

You don't have to experiment everything you hear about if you can easily debunk it from your armchair.

Planes fly at about 35,000 feet and the scientist claims he made it to 52,000 feet. You don't even have enough sense to debate this.

So at 52,000 feet, but no lower, there begins a layer of "intensly blue gas"?

Is that your final answer?

I don't engage with double talkers who don't seem to be able to interpret real comments

Double talkers?

. . . Wtf is that?

I can interpret real comments just fine - But you seem to be ignoring conflicting accounts from Piccard. If he makes one claim that you take on its face value, then other claims must be taken equally seriously. If those claims don't match reality, then you've got a problem.

You can't even interpret the evidence from my links. Are you even human? Why would I debate with someone who acts like a soulless robot, incapable of engaging in a real debate or conversation? I don't think I have ever upvoted a single one of your comments.

Are you going to answer my questions or keep rinning?

I don't deal in extremes and you seem incapable of acting like a rational human, so I see no reason to waste any more energy on this conversation

Asking questions is dealing in extremes?

That was a question, was that too much?

Your reply to my pointing out that the 1931 balloon was almost 20,000 feet higher than commercial planes is that I had to state that at exactly 52,000 feet, the air is blue.

If I refuse to state that, I'd bet money your next comment would be to say that proves the statement is wrong. I don't know what the guy saw, I don't know what color the air is at 52,000 feet and neither do you and bullshit if you claim you do. I'm not replying to your asinine comments again. Run along.

Look at sky at night, what colour is the moon? If the moon at night isn't blue, that debunks the claim the air is blue.

Done. Easy as can be.

The color of moonlight, particularly near full Moon, appears bluish to the human eye

This is from the Wikipedia entry for moonlight. If you are atop a mountain and look out at the range, you will see the further mountains appear bluer the farther they are, until toward the horizon they appear faded blue, whether the mountains were green or snowy makes no difference. The same flying above an archipelago: the further the island, the bluer it appears.

The air is gas, it appears blue at a distance, therefore Piccard's observations of a blueish gas have merit.

Mountains appear blue at range due to light scattering over a significant distance.

If you grabbed a sample and look at it under a lamp - It wouldn't appear to be blue.

Like if you saw a sunset - Being an orange/red, if you got a jar full of air, that air in the jar won't be orange/red.

See how that works?

"He's challenging my evidence... what do I do?"

"Oh, I know, I'll ignore the question, claim he's trying to change the subject, accuse him of being a robot and run away! Good plan!"

I'm wondering it your grasp on the English language is as good as you pretend. You clearly don't know what "doubletalk" means.

I meant exactly what I said. Deflecting and twisting words and regurgitating nonsense

"...you cannot tell me that you 100% buy the globe Earth theory."

I really can though.

Well, technically I buy the oblate spheroid Earth theory, but yes I'm 'buying' it.

Yikes, disappointing that people have been so failed by education that they've been left unable to observe things and draw logical conclusions.

It's pretty sad, you'd think more people could think critically and see the flat earth.

There are numerous observations you can make on a daily basis which demonstrate it not to be flat.

There are numerous observations you can make on a daily basis which demonstrate it to be flat.

Such as?

You first

Belt of Venus.

And how does that prove a round ball Earth spinning and flying through space?

It proves it isn't flat.

Where are your observations that demonstrate it to be flat?

You've yet to show any evidence that the Earth is round

The Belt of Venus demonstrates it to be round.

The Belt of Venus demonstrates it to be flat. See how that works?

You are just making claims without any evidence.

The Belt of Venus demonstrates it to be flat.

No it doesn't, it's the shadow of the Earth on its atmosphere opposite the setting sun. This wouldn't be possible if it were disappearing due to perspective rather than setting below the horizon.

That's an interesting claim again. Care to provide evidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_of_Venus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_shadow

http://earthsky.org/?p=3156

https://www.howitworksdaily.com/what-is-the-belt-of-venus/

Lol.

So you have nothing to offer then?

That's my line. You aren't proving anything about the floating ball model

So then explain how the Belt of Venus works on a flat Earth model.

Care to explain how it proves the ball Earth model? You are just describing a cosmic phenomena starting with a viewpoint of the globe model and then using a twisted backwards logic to say that your observation starting with that bias proves the assertion you began with.

Care to explain how it proves the ball Earth model?

Because the shadow grows as the sun goes further below the horizon? This can't be explained away by perspective, it clearly shows that the sun goes below the horizon and doesn't disappear in the distance.

You have yet to provide a single observation for your incorrect theory, so this is really pointless. Unable to investigate something for yourself and instead make assumptions about what other people are trying to show you.

You are only interpreting that as happening because you are starting with the assumption of a ball Earth. Your example proves nothing

Then explain how it would work on a flat Earth.

There is no measurable curvature at all, no one can find it.

Yes, there is... many people have found it.

Here is a one guy who measured the earth's circumference to a reasonable degree of accuracy with a telescope and some maths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcdBFfoi3uU

I think this is better evidence against manmade climate change.

I wish we could move past the Flat Earth stuff. It's real. I'm just ready to find what else they're lying about. Like, what is the moon, really? It's transparent. If you look at it closely, you see ripples. Maybe there is just water up there?

I wish we could move past the Flat Earth stuff. It's real.

No, it's bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZa9oZDN5g

Flat earth logos?? The fuck are you on about? lmao pathetic

Not after looking at all of the evidence for both sides and discerning what is fake psyop propaganda and what is plausible.

Let me guess... anything that disproves flat earth theory is "fake psyop propaganda".... right?

No, they pretend they are "proving" flat Earth and then they throw some convoluted nonsense out there to make the investigators look batshit crazy. Researching this involves huge lessons in discernment, which is why I have so little respect for those who shrug it off with nothing more that a passing glance.

Are any of you "globe earthers" capable of having a conversation without hurling insults? No? Didn't think so.

Rubbish because it's contrary to evidence.

I care because people keep posting the same debunked stuff. You'd think people would learn, but no.

So this crap keeps flooding the /new queue, and if you downvote without commenting people cry "B-B-BUT MUH CONSPIRACY!, I'm being kept down by THE MAN!" So to combat that you have to go and tell the OP why they're being downvoted.

All in all, cleaning up /new isn't easy. But I do because I care <3

If it helps, I've got your back.

In the same way we have zealous Christians/Muslims/Jews, we have zealous textbook warriors as well. You can't please people who are so set in their beliefs.

Being on the fence is the best way to approach any conspiracy. It allows you to have no biases and to be more humble.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Can you show me where I'm using "doubletalk and psychobabble"?

Get the feeling that is more likely your fall back argument when you don't know what you're talking about....

Planes fly at about 35,000 feet and the scientist claims he made it to 52,000 feet. You don't even have enough sense to debate this.

Answer me, then, Rocky?

I just asked "why what?".

I asked a question and you're MIA

I asked you to prove your point in that C_S_T thread and you just legged it saying you don't have proof of a point you proved (facepalm).

Hello? You're MIA here.

lulz.

I'm not the one posting things they don't believe in then running away when called out on it. Very obvious, so telling, sad stuff!

The argument made by FE's is that these circular shaped planets are just holographic projections and tricks put out to perpetuate the round earth.

I'm not sure, but theories that they are merely projections on the "dome"

I could if I wanted to go sit outside for several days and stare at the sun and moon.

I hope you do! They're amazing to observe.

How does it hurt us to wonder?

It doesn't, but when nonsense is still believed contrary to any evidence and observation it actually makes for a troubling statement regarding the current state of society as well as the basic degree to which people are able to engage in critical thought and reach logical conclusions.

Still researching that guy, I got sidetracked on this comment, although I don't trust that forum, it's full of psyop disinformation, the commenter raises interesting points

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=44g0i0nh68mu2evo7rumh0jng3&amp;topic=67450.msg1804834#msg1804834

One interesting note about Aryabhata is that the Indian church was "losing control of the sacrifice calendar" when he was working on his calculations

I could if I wanted to go sit outside for several days and stare at the sun and moon.

So why don't you?

I'm not saying I believe the theory, the shills and attacks are what make it more interesting then it would be if people weren't freaking out about us entertaining the idea.

You only call them shills because they disagree with your idea. But you admit to not be willing to put the effort in to prove your idea one way or the other.

Your behaviour is more shill-like than anyone else's. You've essentially admitted you do not care if the theory is true or not, you just like talking about it as if it was.

Nasty comments that go far beyond any other conspiracy here. Why is that?

Because many people here believe people like you are intentionally posting stuff they know is not true in order to make the whole sub and all its users look stupid. It's a defensive reaction to the "shills" they believe are promoting this bullshit "theory".

They spray so many chemtrails and have since the 60s, how would people know what's in the sky?

Yes, and then he accused anyone who questioned the flat earth theory of engaging in "doublespeak" etc.

He has no intention of looking at both sides of the argument. He even admitted he knows very little about the "flat earth theory" and doesn't feel the need to actually test it in any way.

In other words, OP was lying about being on the fence.

It's a sad day and age when people wanting to do real science with an open mind

No, they pretend they are "proving" flat Earth and then they throw some convoluted nonsense out there to make the investigators look batshit crazy. Researching this involves huge lessons in discernment, which is why I have so little respect for those who shrug it off with nothing more that a passing glance.

Harvard and some countries are now publicly admitting to geoengineering, so you're going to have to edit your script and stop referring to them as "contrails". As for the rest of your comments. I don't believe you for a second.

Care to explain how it proves the ball Earth model?

Because the shadow grows as the sun goes further below the horizon? This can't be explained away by perspective, it clearly shows that the sun goes below the horizon and doesn't disappear in the distance.

You have yet to provide a single observation for your incorrect theory, so this is really pointless. Unable to investigate something for yourself and instead make assumptions about what other people are trying to show you.